Re: [EVDL] Electric Microlino> The 'Bubble Car' Reborn Electric
On 27 Jan 2016 at 13:54, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > There probably *is* a market for a true "City Car". A modern-day > equivalent of the Ford model T that's very small, very simple, very low > cost, and specifically meant for low-speed driving. In that field, Renault Twizy is probably the one to beat. Just making something with nicer looks - and doors as standard equipment - might do it. :-\ David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electric Microlino> The 'Bubble Car' Reborn Electric
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: Can you tell I'm skeptical? It's an interesting idea, guys, but I'm afraid you have a big challenge ahead. A certain amount of this is trolling for publicity and investors. One marketing research technique is to write press releases for a fake product (computer generated images, invented specs) just to see what the response is. See what parts of it get taken seriously, and what gets lampooned. Then design your *real* product based on the responses. Another aspect is that the big auto companies pretty much have a monopoly on normal cars. A small company simply can't compete (unless you have Elon Musk's billions to spend). So, they aim for some other market where they *do* stand a chance. There probably *is* a market for a true "City Car". A modern-day equivalent of the Ford model T that's very small, very simple, very low cost, and specifically meant for low-speed driving. It's for people who don't want, don't need, or simply can't afford the luxury safety tanks that regular cars have become. Lots of people (besides Henry Ford) have tried to do this. Most have failed. Often, they didn't get the details right. Their cars turned out to be badly built, unreliable, unfixable, unsafe, uncomfortable, and overall poor performers. It turns out to be *hard* to keep things simple and inexpensive without also making them crude and badly made. Complicated solutions are straightforward; just keep adding things until it works. But this also makes them expensive, and lowers reliability, repairability, and life. On the other hand, it's hard work to come up with simple, innovative, affordable solutions that also work well. Simple elegant solutions that seem obvious in hindsight often needed *years* of development and creativity to get them that way. So, I wish them luck! But I hope they also do their homework, to learn what's been done before, what worked, what didn't, and what they're going to do differently to have a successful outcome. -- Knowledge is better than belief. Belief is when someone else does your thinking. -- anonymous -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electric Microlino> The 'Bubble Car' Reborn Electric
On 01/27/2016 01:33 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: Space-saving urban vehicle, in places where there is not much space I suspect that the Smart ED (great choice of initials there) might have that niche locked up already. It's not a very big niche, either. Last year Smart sold 1,387 of them. (Actually it reminds me a little more of the City-EL and Sinclair C5.) Can you tell I'm skeptical? It's an interesting idea, guys, but I'm afraid you have a big challenge ahead. I have a Smart ED and I like it a lot. I've been enamored with the old BMW version of this Lifestyle car when I first saw it--mostly because of the novelty of the front-opening door--but I wouldn't trade my Smart for it. I get plenty of comments about the perceived lack of protection in the Smart. I see far less in this "car". --Rick ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electric Microlino> The 'Bubble Car' Reborn Electric
On 27 Jan 2016 at 0:17, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > Lifestyle Product Lifestyle Product - isn't that a contraceptive device? ;-) http://www.lifestyles.com/ It amazes me that companies actually USE terms like this - capitalized, no less - and they seem serious about it. Do they actually expect to sell "Lifestyle Products" to real people who are looking for something normal, like a car? > It´s not a car, it´s a micro vehicle I thought you said it was a "Lifestyle Product." And again, what do you have for people who want to buy cars? > Space-saving urban vehicle, in places where there is not much space I suspect that the Smart ED (great choice of initials there) might have that niche locked up already. It's not a very big niche, either. Last year Smart sold 1,387 of them. (Actually it reminds me a little more of the City-EL and Sinclair C5.) Can you tell I'm skeptical? It's an interesting idea, guys, but I'm afraid you have a big challenge ahead. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Electric Microlino> The 'Bubble Car' Reborn Electric
'And besides, women love them' https://www.facebook.com/microlino.car/ Microlino Cars [image https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/12019968_174524379548371_6013034804096870671_n.jpg?oh=300c44b4bd8402551e61dd068a0b08e0&oe=5734FFE1 video dated https://youtu.be/8778WLCyohE Microlino - Change urban mobility - Lifestyle and Prototype #2 Microlino Car Dec 29, 2015 Lifestyle shots with the electrified Isetta and production of the first Microlino prototype. ] The Microlino is a new electric car inspired by a legendary and timeless designed Italian vehicle from 1955 which was also licensed by BMW [© facebook.com] ... http://microlino.ch/ Micro Mobility Systems AG Bahnhofstrasse 10 8700 Küsnacht, Switzerland i...@microlino.ch http://www.micro.ms/blog/view/29077 ... https://www.google.com/search?q=women+Isetta&tbm=isch women & Isetta http://www.micro-mobility.com/upload/divers/Microlino_English.pdf Microlino Langtext Englisch 07.09.2015 Back to the Future of Urban Mobility The visionary and pioneer Wim Ouboter has reinvented the Micro Scooter and turned it into a Lifestyle Product, which is now distributed in over 80 countries. His 17 years of experience and many longterm connections in China are ideal conditions to initalize the vision of urban mobility „Made in Switzerland.“ From the collaboration with a swiss university various diploma theses have been developed, among them an intensive pilot study with product definition and feasibility, as well as a system design in the form of a concept study and its verification. The first prototype is based on an electrified BMW Isetta from 1956. Because of the experiences of uncountable test drives and the very positive reactions from people on the street, we knew that this project has to go to the next phase. 1. What is new? Conventional cars weigh about 15 to 30 times more than their driver. With the vision of „Reduce to the Max“ we want to develop a functional, yet beautifully designed car in the category of light vehicles. This category is still a niche, but we think with the Microlino it won‘t be anymore! The Microlino should also be the first light vehicle, that is explicitly geared to multimedia-based mobility systems like car sharing and car pooling. And what’s more, the Microlino will be affordable for everyone, whether it is for renting or for buying. 2. How big is the energy saving potential? With an empty weight of less than 400kg the Microlino has 3 to 5 times less mass than conventional automibiles, which reduces its energy consumption down to a fuel equivalent of less than 1 liter per 100 km. In addition it is possible to park two Microlinos in one parking space, due to its lenghth of only 2.4 metres. In general, the stylish, yet practical Microlino should increasy the popularity of light vehicles. Especially in urban city centres we see a huge problem with noise and emissions. This would be solved with the electric Microlino. And with modern sharing systems like automatical car towers, which hold up to 30 cars, it is possible at everytime to have a fully charged car. 3. Time to market Our society changes and the pressure on cities is incrasing. India and China will promote electric mobility even more in the next three years. Additional countries will do so as well. New urban mobility concepts are necessary. The light vehicle mobility is still at the very beginning and big car companies are not ready yet to risk going into this category. 4. Time to change Change your mindset! Up to 15 electric motors in a car seat are a pure waste of resources. Too much, too complex and too expensive. Changing your mindset begins already by thinking about an environmentally friendly use of resources. At Micro our slogan is: „Reduced to the Max!“ A vehicle, which is built for 90% of its usage and not one, which is too big for 90% of the time. Light vehicle mobility with pedestrian security instead of a SUV with a crashtest! Slow Food, Urban Gardening and Sharing Economy are already trendy. What is still missing is a car for the urban mobility of this modern society. All the discussion and forums about changing the future are not exactly giving the world the solutions it needs. It needs the realization of already existing ideas. The courage to go this new way instead of the fear of failure! Prototypes instead of words! 5. Motion and Emotion There are different reasons why the Microlino has the potential to be a hit: - Women love the little bug from 1956 - The front entrance is unique and an eye-catcher - Sitting next to each other is much cooler than behind one another - Retro Design with modern components - It’s not a car, it’s a micro vehicle - Space-saving urban vehicle, in places where there is not much space - Signifies a new generation: lust for life despite modesty - It’s affordable - Low maintenance costs or even additional income through sharing - It’s quiet, safe and does not stink - Small,
