Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE

[David Nelson via EV]

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 5:58 PM Peri Hartman via EV  wrote:
>
> I looked at open EVSE and the "advanced series" looks like a great
> product. But it costs more and doesn't have the right plug. The latter
> is a minor thing, but if I don't have to change out an outlet, with
> tight wiring, I'll be happier :) I'll take a look at the product details
> again and see if there are any compelling features.
>
> Peri

The OpenEVSE only uses 3 wires so it would be simple to cut off the
NEMA 14-50 and replace the plug. On my OpenEVSEs I cut off the 4th
unused prong so that if I travel somewhere I can plug directly into a
NEMA 14-30 outlet as well.

FWIW, I had the contactor weld closed in my first OpenEVSE after 6
years of service. I was able to file the contacts and it is running
fine right now. I did order a replacement contactor I need to install.
The second one I bought a year later had not had any issues. The unit
properly notified me of the issue and refused to allow any charging so
the safety features seem to work.

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Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE

[EV@TucsonEV via EV]

I agree that it is nowhere in the manual, but none the less the title of the 
pdf refers to it as the Gen2_UMC_Manual. Weather it is legacy or not is a mute 
point, Tesla identifies it as Gen2 UMC.

 

Best regards,

 

Rush Dougherty

TucsonEV

 <http://www.tucsonev.com/> www.TucsonEV.com

 

 

 

 

From: (-Phil-)  
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2023 6:21 PM
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Cc: EV@TucsonEV 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE

 

Tesla refers to it everywhere publicly as a "mobile connector".  Minor change, 
but that's what they did.  Note that the term "UMC" or "Universal Mobile 
Connector" is seen nowhere in the manual text at all, nor is it anywhere in 
their documentation.  The URL doesn't matter, it could just be legacy.

 

On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 1:51 AM EV@TucsonEV via EV mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote:

You'll note the Tesla link "gen 2 umc".
https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/charging_docs/gen_2_umc/Gen2_UMC_Manual_en_US.pdf
So Tesla does keep  the name Gen 2 UMC

Best regards,

Rush Dougherty
TucsonEV
www.TucsonEV.com <http://www.TucsonEV.com> 




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>
> No, the EU mobile connector (no longer called a UMC) is different for EU.
> The US one is only single-phase, our inlets are also only single-phase.
> The PCS is similar, except all 3 of the modules are connected in parallel to 
> the 
> single-
> phase on the inlet.  So on the older 20kW cars, it would be pumping 80A @ 
> 240V.
> (Would also accept up to 300V for ~22kW)
>
> The 3/Y and 2021+ S/X are all PCS, so that's got 2 or 3 modules capable of 
> 16A 
> each
> depending on model, with the hi-spec config being 48A @ 240V.
>
> In the US it's pretty common for a house built in the last 20 years to have 
> 200A 
> single-
> phase service.  Residential power in the US almost never has anything other 
> than
> single-phase, and it's split with the neutral being the center tap, so 3 
> wires 
> come in, 2
> are the 240V "hots" and one is neutral, so we can connect our 120V loads to 
> neutral
> and one of the "hots".
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 4:50?PM Evan Tuer via EV  <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 11:59?PM EV@TucsonEV via EV
> > mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Lawrence - the current Tesla Mobile Connector (UMC GEN 2)
> > >
> > https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/mobile-connec
> > tor
> > > Is only 32A capable. Scroll down to where "Charge rates for optional
> > > adapters"
> > > starts and you'll see -
> > >
> > > "NEMA 6-50
> > > 240 volt / 50 amp breaker
> > > Maximum 32 amp output
> > > Buy adapter for Gen 2 Mobile Connector"
> > >
> >
> > 32A / 7.2kW is the maximum single phase charge rate in Europe, so I
> > wonder if they've standardised the EVSE box... however my UMC can also
> > take 16A 3 phase for 11kW.
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Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE

[(-Phil-) via EV]

Well, you can call it a "mute point", does that mean we are done bickering?
=)   (Should be "moot" not "mute".)
Doesn't really matter.

On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 7:39 PM EV@TucsonEV  wrote:

> I agree that it is nowhere in the manual, but none the less the title of
> the pdf refers to it as the Gen2_UMC_Manual. Weather it is legacy or not is
> a mute point, Tesla identifies it as Gen2 UMC.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Rush Dougherty
>
> TucsonEV
>
> www.TucsonEV.com <http://www.tucsonev.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* (-Phil-) 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 20, 2023 6:21 PM
> *To:* Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
> *Cc:* EV@TucsonEV 
> *Subject:* Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE
>
>
>
> Tesla refers to it everywhere publicly as a "mobile connector".  Minor
> change, but that's what they did.  Note that the term "UMC" or "Universal
> Mobile Connector" is seen nowhere in the manual text at all, nor is it
> anywhere in their documentation.  The URL doesn't matter, it could just be
> legacy.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 1:51 AM EV@TucsonEV via EV 
> wrote:
>
> You'll note the Tesla link "gen 2 umc".
>
> https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/charging_docs/gen_2_umc/Gen2_UMC_Manual_en_US.pdf
> So Tesla does keep  the name Gen 2 UMC
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rush Dougherty
> TucsonEV
> www.TucsonEV.com
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: EV  On Behalf Of (-Phil-) via EV
> > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2023 9:53 PM
> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
> > Cc: (-Phil-) 
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE
> >
> > No, the EU mobile connector (no longer called a UMC) is different for EU.
> > The US one is only single-phase, our inlets are also only single-phase.
> > The PCS is similar, except all 3 of the modules are connected in
> parallel to the
> > single-
> > phase on the inlet.  So on the older 20kW cars, it would be pumping 80A
> @ 240V.
> > (Would also accept up to 300V for ~22kW)
> >
> > The 3/Y and 2021+ S/X are all PCS, so that's got 2 or 3 modules capable
> of 16A
> > each
> > depending on model, with the hi-spec config being 48A @ 240V.
> >
> > In the US it's pretty common for a house built in the last 20 years to
> have 200A
> > single-
> > phase service.  Residential power in the US almost never has anything
> other than
> > single-phase, and it's split with the neutral being the center tap, so 3
> wires
> > come in, 2
> > are the 240V "hots" and one is neutral, so we can connect our 120V loads
> to
> > neutral
> > and one of the "hots".
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 4:50?PM Evan Tuer via EV 
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 11:59?PM EV@TucsonEV via EV
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Lawrence - the current Tesla Mobile Connector (UMC GEN 2)
> > > >
> > > https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/mobile-connec
> > > tor
> > > > Is only 32A capable. Scroll down to where "Charge rates for optional
> > > > adapters"
> > > > starts and you'll see -
> > > >
> > > > "NEMA 6-50
> > > > 240 volt / 50 amp breaker
> > > > Maximum 32 amp output
> > > > Buy adapter for Gen 2 Mobile Connector"
> > > >
> > >
> > > 32A / 7.2kW is the maximum single phase charge rate in Europe, so I
> > > wonder if they've standardised the EVSE box... however my UMC can also
> > > take 16A 3 phase for 11kW.
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Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE

[(-Phil-) via EV]

Tesla refers to it everywhere publicly as a "mobile connector".  Minor
change, but that's what they did.  Note that the term "UMC" or "Universal
Mobile Connector" is seen nowhere in the manual text at all, nor is it
anywhere in their documentation.  The URL doesn't matter, it could just be
legacy.

On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 1:51 AM EV@TucsonEV via EV 
wrote:

> You'll note the Tesla link "gen 2 umc".
>
> https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/charging_docs/gen_2_umc/Gen2_UMC_Manual_en_US.pdf
> So Tesla does keep  the name Gen 2 UMC
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rush Dougherty
> TucsonEV
> www.TucsonEV.com
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: EV  On Behalf Of (-Phil-) via EV
> > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2023 9:53 PM
> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
> > Cc: (-Phil-) 
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE
> >
> > No, the EU mobile connector (no longer called a UMC) is different for EU.
> > The US one is only single-phase, our inlets are also only single-phase.
> > The PCS is similar, except all 3 of the modules are connected in
> parallel to the
> > single-
> > phase on the inlet.  So on the older 20kW cars, it would be pumping 80A
> @ 240V.
> > (Would also accept up to 300V for ~22kW)
> >
> > The 3/Y and 2021+ S/X are all PCS, so that's got 2 or 3 modules capable
> of 16A
> > each
> > depending on model, with the hi-spec config being 48A @ 240V.
> >
> > In the US it's pretty common for a house built in the last 20 years to
> have 200A
> > single-
> > phase service.  Residential power in the US almost never has anything
> other than
> > single-phase, and it's split with the neutral being the center tap, so 3
> wires
> > come in, 2
> > are the 240V "hots" and one is neutral, so we can connect our 120V loads
> to
> > neutral
> > and one of the "hots".
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 4:50?PM Evan Tuer via EV 
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 11:59?PM EV@TucsonEV via EV
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Lawrence - the current Tesla Mobile Connector (UMC GEN 2)
> > > >
> > > https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/mobile-connec
> > > tor
> > > > Is only 32A capable. Scroll down to where "Charge rates for optional
> > > > adapters"
> > > > starts and you'll see -
> > > >
> > > > "NEMA 6-50
> > > > 240 volt / 50 amp breaker
> > > > Maximum 32 amp output
> > > > Buy adapter for Gen 2 Mobile Connector"
> > > >
> > >
> > > 32A / 7.2kW is the maximum single phase charge rate in Europe, so I
> > > wonder if they've standardised the EVSE box... however my UMC can also
> > > take 16A 3 phase for 11kW.
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Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE

[EV@TucsonEV via EV]

You'll note the Tesla link "gen 2 umc".
https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/charging_docs/gen_2_umc/Gen2_UMC_Manual_en_US.pdf
So Tesla does keep  the name Gen 2 UMC

Best regards,

Rush Dougherty
TucsonEV
www.TucsonEV.com




> -Original Message-
> From: EV  On Behalf Of (-Phil-) via EV
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2023 9:53 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
> Cc: (-Phil-) 
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE
>
> No, the EU mobile connector (no longer called a UMC) is different for EU.
> The US one is only single-phase, our inlets are also only single-phase.
> The PCS is similar, except all 3 of the modules are connected in parallel to 
> the 
> single-
> phase on the inlet.  So on the older 20kW cars, it would be pumping 80A @ 
> 240V.
> (Would also accept up to 300V for ~22kW)
>
> The 3/Y and 2021+ S/X are all PCS, so that's got 2 or 3 modules capable of 
> 16A 
> each
> depending on model, with the hi-spec config being 48A @ 240V.
>
> In the US it's pretty common for a house built in the last 20 years to have 
> 200A 
> single-
> phase service.  Residential power in the US almost never has anything other 
> than
> single-phase, and it's split with the neutral being the center tap, so 3 
> wires 
> come in, 2
> are the 240V "hots" and one is neutral, so we can connect our 120V loads to 
> neutral
> and one of the "hots".
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 4:50?PM Evan Tuer via EV  wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 11:59?PM EV@TucsonEV via EV
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Lawrence - the current Tesla Mobile Connector (UMC GEN 2)
> > >
> > https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/mobile-connec
> > tor
> > > Is only 32A capable. Scroll down to where "Charge rates for optional
> > > adapters"
> > > starts and you'll see -
> > >
> > > "NEMA 6-50
> > > 240 volt / 50 amp breaker
> > > Maximum 32 amp output
> > > Buy adapter for Gen 2 Mobile Connector"
> > >
> >
> > 32A / 7.2kW is the maximum single phase charge rate in Europe, so I
> > wonder if they've standardised the EVSE box... however my UMC can also
> > take 16A 3 phase for 11kW.
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Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE

[(-Phil-) via EV]

No, the EU mobile connector (no longer called a UMC) is different for EU.
The US one is only single-phase, our inlets are also only single-phase.
The PCS is similar, except all 3 of the modules are connected in parallel
to the single-phase on the inlet.  So on the older 20kW cars, it would be
pumping 80A @ 240V.  (Would also accept up to 300V for ~22kW)

The 3/Y and 2021+ S/X are all PCS, so that's got 2 or 3 modules capable of
16A each depending on model, with the hi-spec config being 48A @ 240V.

In the US it's pretty common for a house built in the last 20 years to have
200A single-phase service.  Residential power in the US almost never has
anything other than single-phase, and it's split with the neutral being the
center tap, so 3 wires come in, 2 are the 240V "hots" and one is neutral,
so we can connect our 120V loads to neutral and one of the "hots".

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 4:50 PM Evan Tuer via EV  wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 11:59 PM EV@TucsonEV via EV 
> wrote:
>
> > Lawrence - the current Tesla Mobile Connector (UMC GEN 2)
> >
> https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/mobile-connector
> > Is only 32A capable. Scroll down to where "Charge rates for optional
> > adapters"
> > starts and you'll see -
> >
> > "NEMA 6-50
> > 240 volt / 50 amp breaker
> > Maximum 32 amp output
> > Buy adapter for Gen 2 Mobile Connector"
> >
>
> 32A / 7.2kW is the maximum single phase charge rate in Europe, so I wonder
> if they've standardised the EVSE box... however my UMC can also take 16A 3
> phase for 11kW.
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Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE ((-Phil-))

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 Flex tape
On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 09:36:06 PM PDT, (-Phil-)  
wrote:  
 
 I actually did that on a few of the older 40A units, but then the 
weather-tightness is no longer.  The 32A units seem to be of lesser quality, 
and they fail more easily.
They use a much smaller gauge wire for the signals, so those tend to be under 
more stress than the adjoining heavy ones.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 5:27 PM Lawrence Rhodes  
wrote:

 I take it, not economically fixable. LR I would slit the cable lengthwise and 
try to patchmight be a fools errand...
On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 04:03:39 PM PDT, (-Phil-)  
wrote:  
 
 Tesla mobile connectors that stopped working outside of warranty.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 3:59 PM Lawrence Rhodes  
wrote:

 I've got a pile of them here where the pilot wire failed in the cable not
far from the handle. 
A pile of what? Lawrence Rhodes   
  
  
  
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[(-Phil-) via EV]

I actually did that on a few of the older 40A units, but then the
weather-tightness is no longer.  The 32A units seem to be of lesser
quality, and they fail more easily.

They use a much smaller gauge wire for the signals, so those tend to be
under more stress than the adjoining heavy ones.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 5:27 PM Lawrence Rhodes 
wrote:

> I take it, not economically fixable. LR I would slit the cable lengthwise
> and try to patchmight be a fools errand...
>
> On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 04:03:39 PM PDT, (-Phil-) 
> wrote:
>
>
> Tesla mobile connectors that stopped working outside of warranty.
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 3:59 PM Lawrence Rhodes <
> primobass...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> I've got a pile of them here where the pilot wire failed in the cable not
> far from the handle.
>
> A pile of what? Lawrence Rhodes
>
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Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE ((-Phil-))

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 I take it, not economically fixable. LR I would slit the cable lengthwise and 
try to patchmight be a fools errand...
On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 04:03:39 PM PDT, (-Phil-)  
wrote:  
 
 Tesla mobile connectors that stopped working outside of warranty.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 3:59 PM Lawrence Rhodes  
wrote:

 I've got a pile of them here where the pilot wire failed in the cable not
far from the handle. 
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Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE

[Evan Tuer via EV]

On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 11:59 PM EV@TucsonEV via EV 
wrote:

> Lawrence - the current Tesla Mobile Connector (UMC GEN 2)
> https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/mobile-connector
> Is only 32A capable. Scroll down to where "Charge rates for optional
> adapters"
> starts and you'll see -
>
> "NEMA 6-50
> 240 volt / 50 amp breaker
> Maximum 32 amp output
> Buy adapter for Gen 2 Mobile Connector"
>

32A / 7.2kW is the maximum single phase charge rate in Europe, so I wonder
if they've standardised the EVSE box... however my UMC can also take 16A 3
phase for 11kW.
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Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE ((-Phil-))

[(-Phil-) via EV]

Tesla mobile connectors that stopped working outside of warranty.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 3:59 PM Lawrence Rhodes 
wrote:

> I've got a pile of them here where the pilot wire failed in the cable not
> far from the handle.
>
> A pile of what? Lawrence Rhodes
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[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 I've got a pile of them here where the pilot wire failed in the cable not
far from the handle. 
A pile of what? Lawrence Rhodes   
  
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[EV@TucsonEV via EV]

Tires… I just had a flat on my M3, unfixable and the other 3 tires just had 
1/8” left on them. I replaced all 4. I figured that since I wasn’t always 
within the speed limit, I should have safe tires…

 

Best regards,

 

Rush Dougherty

TucsonEV

 <http://www.tucsonev.com/> www.TucsonEV.com

 

 

 

 

From: (-Phil-)  
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2023 11:21 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
Cc: EV@TucsonEV 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE

 

I've got a pile of them here where the pilot wire failed in the cable not far 
from the handle.   Just saying that the wall connector isn't much more money 
and is substantially more durable.  The mobile connector has about 2-3 volts 
loss at 32A, while the wall connector is less than half that.  Then there's the 
horrible NEMA 14-50 outlet to have to put your trust in, usually another volt 
right there!

 

It's crazy to me that people will spend tens of thousands for an EV, then want 
to cheap out and spend as little as possible on an EVSE.   Hopefully people 
aren't also cheaping out on tires!

 

On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 11:04 PM EV@TucsonEV via EV mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote:

Hi,



While I agree with Phil, the cable is thin, what he neglects to mention is that 
for each hot leg of 220vac, there are 2x11AWG wires, which when added together 
is equal to a single 8AWG line. It is Tesla’s practice to combine 2 wires of 
the same gauge to carry more amps than they can individually carry, which they 
do even in the Super chargers.



And it has been my experience (I’ve converted over 100 Gen 1 UMC’s to 
J1772)(need a Tesla Plug? let me know)  that the failure in the UMC is usually 
at the wall plug end (or the potted control box). I’ve actually never seen one 
where the line itself has failed. EVSE cord is rated to 105 deg C, which is 
much higher than your normal household wiring or common zip cord.



I’ve used a Gen 1 UMC to charge up my Tesla at 30A for the past several years, 
I charge at night when the TOU cost is less, so it is cooler, but I’ve never 
had any trouble with it. And I have no problem plugging it in for the couple 
hours needed at anytime between 10pm and 5am (7hrs of 30A 240vac is more than 
enough for my Tesla). If I need to charge it during the day, I just spend a 
couple minutes to go to one of the Superchargers here. 



Best regards,



Rush Dougherty

TucsonEV

 <http://www.tucsonev.com/> www.TucsonEV.com <http://www.TucsonEV.com> 





From: (-Phil-) mailto:p...@ingineerix.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2023 3:44 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> >
Cc: EV@TucsonEV mailto:e...@tucsonev.com> >
Subject: Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE



I do not recommend the mobile connector for daily use, it's got pretty thin 
cable and has a lot more loss, and eventually the cable seems to fail not far 
from the handle.   If you spent many kilobucks on an EV, you can spend $500 on 
a wall-mounted EVSE.   Using a portable EVSE for daily use is like using a 
garden hose to supply water to your house.



On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 3:34 PM EV@TucsonEV via EV mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org>  <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org 
<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> > > wrote:

I think what Lawrence is referring to is what Tesla calls it's Mobil Connector
https://shop.tesla.com/product/mobile-connector
It is also called the UMC Gen 2, it has temp sensors in it's wall plug and the
Tesla plug to lower the charging rate if it senses overheating in the
connectors.

Best regards,

Rush Dougherty




> -Original Message-
> From: EV mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org>  
> <mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org <mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> > > On 
> Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2023 9:59 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List  <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org>  <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org 
> <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> > >
> Cc: Peri Hartman mailto:pe...@kotatko.com>  
> <mailto:pe...@kotatko.com <mailto:pe...@kotatko.com> > >
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE
>
> Could you provide a link, please ? NACS is a standard, not a product, so I'm
not sure
> what you are recommending.
> POeri
>
> << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Lawrence Rhodes via EV" mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org>  
> <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> > >
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org>  <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org 
> <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> > 
> Cc: "Lawrence Rhodes"  <mailto:primobass...@sbcglobal.net>  <mailto:primobass...@sbcglobal.net 
> <mailto:primobass...@sbcglobal.net> > >
> Sent: 18-Jun-23 08:01:04
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> >  I 

Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE

[(-Phil-) via EV]

I've got a pile of them here where the pilot wire failed in the cable not
far from the handle.   Just saying that the wall connector isn't much more
money and is substantially more durable.  The mobile connector has about
2-3 volts loss at 32A, while the wall connector is less than half that.
Then there's the horrible NEMA 14-50 outlet to have to put your trust in,
usually another volt right there!

It's crazy to me that people will spend tens of thousands for an EV, then
want to cheap out and spend as little as possible on an EVSE.   Hopefully
people aren't also cheaping out on tires!

On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 11:04 PM EV@TucsonEV via EV 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> While I agree with Phil, the cable is thin, what he neglects to mention is
> that for each hot leg of 220vac, there are 2x11AWG wires, which when added
> together is equal to a single 8AWG line. It is Tesla’s practice to combine
> 2 wires of the same gauge to carry more amps than they can individually
> carry, which they do even in the Super chargers.
>
>
>
> And it has been my experience (I’ve converted over 100 Gen 1 UMC’s to
> J1772)(need a Tesla Plug? let me know)  that the failure in the UMC is
> usually at the wall plug end (or the potted control box). I’ve actually
> never seen one where the line itself has failed. EVSE cord is rated to 105
> deg C, which is much higher than your normal household wiring or common zip
> cord.
>
>
>
> I’ve used a Gen 1 UMC to charge up my Tesla at 30A for the past several
> years, I charge at night when the TOU cost is less, so it is cooler, but
> I’ve never had any trouble with it. And I have no problem plugging it in
> for the couple hours needed at anytime between 10pm and 5am (7hrs of 30A
> 240vac is more than enough for my Tesla). If I need to charge it during the
> day, I just spend a couple minutes to go to one of the Superchargers here.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Rush Dougherty
>
> TucsonEV
>
>  <http://www.tucsonev.com/> www.TucsonEV.com
>
>
>
>
>
> From: (-Phil-) 
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2023 3:44 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
> Cc: EV@TucsonEV 
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE
>
>
>
> I do not recommend the mobile connector for daily use, it's got pretty
> thin cable and has a lot more loss, and eventually the cable seems to fail
> not far from the handle.   If you spent many kilobucks on an EV, you can
> spend $500 on a wall-mounted EVSE.   Using a portable EVSE for daily use is
> like using a garden hose to supply water to your house.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 3:34 PM EV@TucsonEV via EV  <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote:
>
> I think what Lawrence is referring to is what Tesla calls it's Mobil
> Connector
> https://shop.tesla.com/product/mobile-connector
> It is also called the UMC Gen 2, it has temp sensors in it's wall plug and
> the
> Tesla plug to lower the charging rate if it senses overheating in the
> connectors.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rush Dougherty
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: EV mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org>
> > On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV
> > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2023 9:59 AM
> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List  ev@lists.evdl.org> >
> > Cc: Peri Hartman mailto:pe...@kotatko.com> >
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE
> >
> > Could you provide a link, please ? NACS is a standard, not a product, so
> I'm
> not sure
> > what you are recommending.
> > POeri
> >
> > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Lawrence Rhodes via EV"  ev@lists.evdl.org> >
> > To: ev@lists.evdl.org <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org>
> > Cc: "Lawrence Rhodes"  primobass...@sbcglobal.net> >
> > Sent: 18-Jun-23 08:01:04
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE
> >
> > >  I would recommend the NACS(Tesla mobile adapter). $230. I have seen
> > >NACS to J1772 for $69(60amp). Most robust hardware you can buy. Hard to
> > >beat the price. Comes with 14-50 plug. Lawrence Rhodes
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[EV@TucsonEV via EV]

Hi,

 

While I agree with Phil, the cable is thin, what he neglects to mention is that 
for each hot leg of 220vac, there are 2x11AWG wires, which when added together 
is equal to a single 8AWG line. It is Tesla’s practice to combine 2 wires of 
the same gauge to carry more amps than they can individually carry, which they 
do even in the Super chargers.

 

And it has been my experience (I’ve converted over 100 Gen 1 UMC’s to 
J1772)(need a Tesla Plug? let me know)  that the failure in the UMC is usually 
at the wall plug end (or the potted control box). I’ve actually never seen one 
where the line itself has failed. EVSE cord is rated to 105 deg C, which is 
much higher than your normal household wiring or common zip cord.

 

I’ve used a Gen 1 UMC to charge up my Tesla at 30A for the past several years, 
I charge at night when the TOU cost is less, so it is cooler, but I’ve never 
had any trouble with it. And I have no problem plugging it in for the couple 
hours needed at anytime between 10pm and 5am (7hrs of 30A 240vac is more than 
enough for my Tesla). If I need to charge it during the day, I just spend a 
couple minutes to go to one of the Superchargers here. 

 

Best regards,

 

Rush Dougherty

TucsonEV

 <http://www.tucsonev.com/> www.TucsonEV.com

 

 

From: (-Phil-)  
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2023 3:44 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
Cc: EV@TucsonEV 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE

 

I do not recommend the mobile connector for daily use, it's got pretty thin 
cable and has a lot more loss, and eventually the cable seems to fail not far 
from the handle.   If you spent many kilobucks on an EV, you can spend $500 on 
a wall-mounted EVSE.   Using a portable EVSE for daily use is like using a 
garden hose to supply water to your house.

 

On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 3:34 PM EV@TucsonEV via EV mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote:

I think what Lawrence is referring to is what Tesla calls it's Mobil Connector
https://shop.tesla.com/product/mobile-connector
It is also called the UMC Gen 2, it has temp sensors in it's wall plug and the
Tesla plug to lower the charging rate if it senses overheating in the
connectors.

Best regards,

Rush Dougherty




> -Original Message-
> From: EV mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> > On 
> Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2023 9:59 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List  <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> >
> Cc: Peri Hartman mailto:pe...@kotatko.com> >
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE
>
> Could you provide a link, please ? NACS is a standard, not a product, so I'm
not sure
> what you are recommending.
> POeri
>
> << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Lawrence Rhodes via EV" mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> >
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> 
> Cc: "Lawrence Rhodes"  <mailto:primobass...@sbcglobal.net> >
> Sent: 18-Jun-23 08:01:04
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE
>
> >  I would recommend the NACS(Tesla mobile adapter). $230. I have seen
> >NACS to J1772 for $69(60amp). Most robust hardware you can buy. Hard to
> >beat the price. Comes with 14-50 plug. Lawrence Rhodes
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[EV@TucsonEV via EV]

Lawrence - the current Tesla Mobile Connector (UMC GEN 2) 
https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/mobile-connector
Is only 32A capable. Scroll down to where "Charge rates for optional adapters" 
starts and you'll see -

"NEMA 6-50
240 volt / 50 amp breaker
Maximum 32 amp output
Buy adapter for Gen 2 Mobile Connector"

The UMC Gen 1 was 40A capable.

Best regards,

Rush Dougherty
TucsonEV
www.TucsonEV.com




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> From: EV  On Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes via EV
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2023 8:16 PM
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: Lawrence Rhodes 
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE
>
>  There are a couple of reasons I recommend the $230 Tesla EVSE. It is 50 
> amps. 
> It is
> portable. Comes with 14-50 and 120vac. There's a wide array of adapters for 
> different
> sockets. I have never had a failure except by my own incompetence, not 
> tightening a
> connection enough. So for $300 ish you have a powerful (12KW) and reliable 
> EVSE.
> We have a Tesla and a Leaf. I have used adapters. (Tesla Tap) Tesla includes 
> a 
> J1772.
> Not a problem. They swing both ways.The price is right and there's no reason 
> to
> permanently install any EVSE. From my experience Tesla doesn't make crap. I 
> have
> been using a converted Avcon for Ten years. Converted three. Two still 
> working.
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[paul dove via EV]

Been using mine for four years on my Model S. 
No issues. 


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On Sunday, June 18, 2023, 5:45 PM, (-Phil-) via EV  wrote:

I do not recommend the mobile connector for daily use, it's got pretty thin
cable and has a lot more loss, and eventually the cable seems to fail not
far from the handle.  If you spent many kilobucks on an EV, you can spend
$500 on a wall-mounted EVSE.  Using a portable EVSE for daily use is like
using a garden hose to supply water to your house.

On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 3:34 PM EV@TucsonEV via EV 
wrote:

> I think what Lawrence is referring to is what Tesla calls it's Mobil
> Connector
> https://shop.tesla.com/product/mobile-connector
> It is also called the UMC Gen 2, it has temp sensors in it's wall plug and
> the
> Tesla plug to lower the charging rate if it senses overheating in the
> connectors.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rush Dougherty
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: EV  On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV
> > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2023 9:59 AM
> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
> > Cc: Peri Hartman 
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE
> >
> > Could you provide a link, please ? NACS is a standard, not a product, so
> I'm
> not sure
> > what you are recommending.
> > POeri
> >
> > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message ------
> > From: "Lawrence Rhodes via EV" 
> > To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> > Cc: "Lawrence Rhodes" 
> > Sent: 18-Jun-23 08:01:04
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE
> >
> > >  I would recommend the NACS(Tesla mobile adapter). $230. I have seen
> > >NACS to J1772 for $69(60amp). Most robust hardware you can buy. Hard to
> > >beat the price. Comes with 14-50 plug. Lawrence Rhodes
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[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 Thanks for pointing out my error Rush. However, 7.4 kw is pretty standard. 
Still a good value. I have both EVs. Doesn't matter to me. I base my choice 
ultimately on price. It's just a contactor with a couple of circuits. DIY kits 
are $300. The Tesla Mobile is a bargain. Seems like a no-brainer. Another 
however, I looked at your site and you're selling a 40 amp portable for $315 
including shipping in the lower 48. That looks like an option if you want a 
little more headroom. Lawrence Rhodes 
On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 08:39:04 PM PDT, EV@TucsonEV 
 wrote:  
 
 Lawrence - the current Tesla Mobile Connector (UMC GEN 2) 
https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/mobile-connector
Is only 32A capable. Scroll down to where "Charge rates for optional adapters" 
starts and you'll see -

"NEMA 6-50
240 volt / 50 amp breaker
Maximum 32 amp output
Buy adapter for Gen 2 Mobile Connector"

The UMC Gen 1 was 40A capable.

Best regards,

Rush Dougherty
TucsonEV
www.TucsonEV.com




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> 
>
>  There are a couple of reasons I recommend the $230 Tesla EVSE. It is 50 
>amps. 
> It is
> portable. Comes with 14-50 and 120vac. There's a wide array of adapters for 
> different
> sockets. I have never had a failure except by my own incompetence, not 
> tightening a
> connection enough. So for $300 ish you have a powerful (12KW) and reliable 
> EVSE.
> We have a Tesla and a Leaf. I have used adapters. (Tesla Tap) Tesla includes 
> a 
> J1772.
> Not a problem. They swing both ways.The price is right and there's no reason 
> to
> permanently install any EVSE. From my experience Tesla doesn't make crap. I 
> have
> been using a converted Avcon for Ten years. Converted three. Two still 
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[(-Phil-) via EV]

The current Tesla Mobile Connector is only 32A max.
https://shop.tesla.com/product/mobile-connector


On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 8:17 PM Lawrence Rhodes via EV 
wrote:

>  There are a couple of reasons I recommend the $230 Tesla EVSE. It is 50
> amps. It is portable. Comes with 14-50 and 120vac. There's a wide array of
> adapters for different sockets. I have never had a failure except by my own
> incompetence, not tightening a connection enough. So for $300 ish you have
> a powerful (12KW) and reliable EVSE. We have a Tesla and a Leaf. I have
> used adapters. (Tesla Tap) Tesla includes a J1772. Not a problem. They
> swing both ways.The price is right and there's no reason to permanently
> install any EVSE. From my experience Tesla doesn't make crap. I have been
> using a converted Avcon for Ten years. Converted three. Two still working.
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[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 There are a couple of reasons I recommend the $230 Tesla EVSE. It is 50 amps. 
It is portable. Comes with 14-50 and 120vac. There's a wide array of adapters 
for different sockets. I have never had a failure except by my own 
incompetence, not tightening a connection enough. So for $300 ish you have a 
powerful (12KW) and reliable EVSE. We have a Tesla and a Leaf. I have used 
adapters. (Tesla Tap) Tesla includes a J1772. Not a problem. They swing both 
ways.The price is right and there's no reason to permanently install any EVSE. 
From my experience Tesla doesn't make crap. I have been using a converted Avcon 
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On 6/18/23 19:37, Jay Summet via EV wrote:


Using a wall mounted L2 EVSE is nice, but many "portable" EVSE's 
provide plenty of amps and qualify as a "level 2" even if they are not 
wall mounted. (look for a 32 amp or higher one that plugs into a NEMA 
14-50 receptacle)


However, even a L1 "portable" EVSE that charges at only 8 or 12 amps, 
even at 120 volts can work for many EV users. As long as you can 
easily park/charge overnight, and have a large enough battery (and a 
low enough average driving distance requirement) even a "garden hose" 
can keep your EV fully topped up.  12 hours of charging a day can get 
you 20-40 miles of range every night. If you drive less than that on 
average, you will be fine unless/until you need to take back to back 
long trips, at which point you may need to visit a DCFC (Level 3) fast 
charger.


Agree.

I carry both a Mobile Connector and a cheap 16 amp EVSE which costs 
~$150.  The cheap EVSE can also use 200/240 as is available in hotels as 
heater/AC outlets and can give about twice the power as lower voltage.  
I haven't recently used/tested 200+ vac.


I failed to carry my TT30 Mobile Connector adapter so I bought TT30P to 
"regular" 120R adapter from an RV place.  I plug into that with a 
"regular" 120P pigtail that goes into a 14-50R into which my Mobile 
Connector plugs.  I have to set the current back to about 20amps on the car.


Normal split phase power gives me 5mph on the readily available block 
heater outlets.  Three phase or generator power gives less power, maybe 
3mph.


The above TT30 setup gives around 10mph.

Bottom line: I get 50+ miles on overnight stays using block heater 
outlets and ~100 miles from a "30 amp" TT30.  Sometimes, I stop early in 
order to get more charge.  Beyond Ft St John, "50 amp" RV outlets are 
extremely rare.


The above range additions should be about right for both Tesla M3 and MY.

After my recent trip experiences, I've decided I want a Maxwell type 
conversion van with at least a 300 mile battery AND perhaps 3+kw of 
deployable PV.  Maybe something that rolls up.  Ideas solicited.  The 
argument that large batteries are unnecessary due to good train service 
in France will fall on deaf ears.



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On 6/18/23 18:44, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:

I do not recommend the mobile connector for daily use, it's got pretty thin
cable and has a lot more loss, and eventually the cable seems to fail not
far from the handle.  


Knowing this is a common failure mode is useful when considering if you 
want to use it daily or just keep it as a backup in your trunk.


 If you spent many kilobucks on an EV, you can spend

$500 on a wall-mounted EVSE.   Using a portable EVSE for daily use is like
using a garden hose to supply water to your house.


Using a wall mounted L2 EVSE is nice, but many "portable" EVSE's provide 
plenty of amps and qualify as a "level 2" even if they are not wall 
mounted. (look for a 32 amp or higher one that plugs into a NEMA 14-50 
receptacle)


However, even a L1 "portable" EVSE that charges at only 8 or 12 amps, 
even at 120 volts can work for many EV users. As long as you can easily 
park/charge overnight, and have a large enough battery (and a low enough 
average driving distance requirement) even a "garden hose" can keep your 
EV fully topped up.  12 hours of charging a day can get you 20-40 miles 
of range every night. If you drive less than that on average, you will 
be fine unless/until you need to take back to back long trips, at which 
point you may need to visit a DCFC (Level 3) fast charger.


Jay
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I do not recommend the mobile connector for daily use, it's got pretty thin
cable and has a lot more loss, and eventually the cable seems to fail not
far from the handle.   If you spent many kilobucks on an EV, you can spend
$500 on a wall-mounted EVSE.   Using a portable EVSE for daily use is like
using a garden hose to supply water to your house.

On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 3:34 PM EV@TucsonEV via EV 
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> I think what Lawrence is referring to is what Tesla calls it's Mobil
> Connector
> https://shop.tesla.com/product/mobile-connector
> It is also called the UMC Gen 2, it has temp sensors in it's wall plug and
> the
> Tesla plug to lower the charging rate if it senses overheating in the
> connectors.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rush Dougherty
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> > Could you provide a link, please ? NACS is a standard, not a product, so
> I'm
> not sure
> > what you are recommending.
> > POeri
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> > >  I would recommend the NACS(Tesla mobile adapter). $230. I have seen
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[EV@TucsonEV via EV]

I think what Lawrence is referring to is what Tesla calls it's Mobil Connector
https://shop.tesla.com/product/mobile-connector
It is also called the UMC Gen 2, it has temp sensors in it's wall plug and the
Tesla plug to lower the charging rate if it senses overheating in the
connectors.

Best regards,

Rush Dougherty




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Thanks. I'll check it out, anyway.
Peri

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Cc: "(-Phil-)" 
Sent: 18-Jun-23 11:57:19
Subject: Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE


Here's what's being discussed.   I agree with Jay though, don't get a Tesla
WC unless you think you'll be getting an EV with NACS native sometime
soonish.

https://shop.tesla.com/product/wall-connector

On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 11:13 AM Willie McKemie via EV 
wrote:


 IMHO, the sooner we get away from J1772 and all other anti-ev inspired
 standards, the better.
 I've used many J1772 to Tesla adapters for about 10 years now and never had
 a failure.
 OP mentioned a low price for a mobile connector; I have not seen such a low
 price.  The Wall Connector has been priced at about $500 which is a great
 value. IMHO.

 On Sun., Jun. 18, 2023, 10:54 a.m. Jay Summet via EV, 
 wrote:

 > Unless you have a vehicle with a NACS inlet, or plan to get one very
 > soon, I would recommend sticking with a J1772 plug natively instead of
 > using an adapter. Every adapter in the chain is a potential point of
 > failure (high resistance leading to overheating and melting parts).
 >
 > Jay
 >
 > On 6/18/23 11:01, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
 > >   I would recommend the NACS(Tesla mobile adapter). $230. I have seen
 > NACS to J1772 for $69(60amp). Most robust hardware you can buy. Hard to
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[(-Phil-) via EV]

Here's what's being discussed.   I agree with Jay though, don't get a Tesla
WC unless you think you'll be getting an EV with NACS native sometime
soonish.

https://shop.tesla.com/product/wall-connector

On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 11:13 AM Willie McKemie via EV 
wrote:

> IMHO, the sooner we get away from J1772 and all other anti-ev inspired
> standards, the better.
> I've used many J1772 to Tesla adapters for about 10 years now and never had
> a failure.
> OP mentioned a low price for a mobile connector; I have not seen such a low
> price.  The Wall Connector has been priced at about $500 which is a great
> value. IMHO.
>
> On Sun., Jun. 18, 2023, 10:54 a.m. Jay Summet via EV, 
> wrote:
>
> > Unless you have a vehicle with a NACS inlet, or plan to get one very
> > soon, I would recommend sticking with a J1772 plug natively instead of
> > using an adapter. Every adapter in the chain is a potential point of
> > failure (high resistance leading to overheating and melting parts).
> >
> > Jay
> >
> > On 6/18/23 11:01, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
> > >   I would recommend the NACS(Tesla mobile adapter). $230. I have seen
> > NACS to J1772 for $69(60amp). Most robust hardware you can buy. Hard to
> > beat the price. Comes with 14-50 plug. Lawrence Rhodes
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[Willie McKemie via EV]

IMHO, the sooner we get away from J1772 and all other anti-ev inspired
standards, the better.
I've used many J1772 to Tesla adapters for about 10 years now and never had
a failure.
OP mentioned a low price for a mobile connector; I have not seen such a low
price.  The Wall Connector has been priced at about $500 which is a great
value. IMHO.

On Sun., Jun. 18, 2023, 10:54 a.m. Jay Summet via EV, 
wrote:

> Unless you have a vehicle with a NACS inlet, or plan to get one very
> soon, I would recommend sticking with a J1772 plug natively instead of
> using an adapter. Every adapter in the chain is a potential point of
> failure (high resistance leading to overheating and melting parts).
>
> Jay
>
> On 6/18/23 11:01, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
> >   I would recommend the NACS(Tesla mobile adapter). $230. I have seen
> NACS to J1772 for $69(60amp). Most robust hardware you can buy. Hard to
> beat the price. Comes with 14-50 plug. Lawrence Rhodes
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[Peri Hartman via EV]

Could you provide a link, please ? NACS is a standard, not a product, so 
I'm not sure what you are recommending.

POeri

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Cc: "Lawrence Rhodes" 
Sent: 18-Jun-23 08:01:04
Subject: Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE


 I would recommend the NACS(Tesla mobile adapter). $230. I have seen NACS to 
J1772 for $69(60amp). Most robust hardware you can buy. Hard to beat the price. 
Comes with 14-50 plug. Lawrence Rhodes
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[Jay Summet via EV]

Unless you have a vehicle with a NACS inlet, or plan to get one very 
soon, I would recommend sticking with a J1772 plug natively instead of 
using an adapter. Every adapter in the chain is a potential point of 
failure (high resistance leading to overheating and melting parts).


Jay

On 6/18/23 11:01, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:

  I would recommend the NACS(Tesla mobile adapter). $230. I have seen NACS to 
J1772 for $69(60amp). Most robust hardware you can buy. Hard to beat the price. 
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 I would recommend the NACS(Tesla mobile adapter). $230. I have seen NACS to 
J1772 for $69(60amp). Most robust hardware you can buy. Hard to beat the price. 
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[Peri Hartman via EV]

I looked at open EVSE and the "advanced series" looks like a great 
product. But it costs more and doesn't have the right plug. The latter 
is a minor thing, but if I don't have to change out an outlet, with 
tight wiring, I'll be happier :) I'll take a look at the product details 
again and see if there are any compelling features.


Peri

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-- Original Message --
From: "Rick Beebe via EV" 
To: "Peri Hartman via EV" 
Cc: "Rick Beebe" 
Sent: 16-Jun-23 12:34:50
Subject: Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE


I have two of these, of various vintages, and they work great, but I'm a fan of 
open source stuff:

https://openevse.com/

I also have a Clipper Creek 30amp one that has been rock solid.

--Rick

On 6/9/2023 10:31 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

My ESVE stopped working. I'm planning to replace it and would like some 
suggestions.

The low voltage circuit blew a fuse. I put in a new one and it practically 
exploded. Obviously a dead short which, I presume, means the power supply went 
bad. I'm sure I could replace that but I'm not sure I want to spend the time 
trying to find the part and to do the swap.

I've looked online at several J1772 ESVEs. I have a 40A circuit with a nema 
6-50 socket (I think). I need a 20'-25' cable. Will be outdoor.

AEFA Mini Cooper
https://ev-chargers.com/mini/mini-cooper-se-ev-chargers/
$275, up to 40A (input or output, don't know), 6-50 option, compact.

Grizzl-E GR1-14-24-P, GR1-6-24-P
https://grizzl-e.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Classic-brochure-letter-2022-1.pdf
$395, 32A output on 40A circuit, 6-50 option, reasonably compact.

Kind of expensive: Juicebox 40
https://evcharging.enelx.com/images/JuiceBox/PDF/Next-Gen_JuiceBox_40_1_15.pdf
$649, 40A circuit, 14-50 plug (I'll have to rewire socket), moderately compact.

Consider: Lectron 30A
https://ev-lectron.com/products/lectron-portable-electric-car-charger-32a
$306. Can't find any specs, which gives strong negative vibes.

Any suggestions ?

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[Rick Beebe via EV]

I have two of these, of various vintages, and they work great, but I'm a 
fan of open source stuff:


https://openevse.com/

I also have a Clipper Creek 30amp one that has been rock solid.

--Rick

On 6/9/2023 10:31 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
My ESVE stopped working. I'm planning to replace it and would like 
some suggestions.


The low voltage circuit blew a fuse. I put in a new one and it 
practically exploded. Obviously a dead short which, I presume, means 
the power supply went bad. I'm sure I could replace that but I'm not 
sure I want to spend the time trying to find the part and to do the swap.


I've looked online at several J1772 ESVEs. I have a 40A circuit with a 
nema 6-50 socket (I think). I need a 20'-25' cable. Will be outdoor.


AEFA Mini Cooper
https://ev-chargers.com/mini/mini-cooper-se-ev-chargers/
$275, up to 40A (input or output, don't know), 6-50 option, compact.

Grizzl-E GR1-14-24-P, GR1-6-24-P
https://grizzl-e.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Classic-brochure-letter-2022-1.pdf 


$395, 32A output on 40A circuit, 6-50 option, reasonably compact.

Kind of expensive: Juicebox 40
https://evcharging.enelx.com/images/JuiceBox/PDF/Next-Gen_JuiceBox_40_1_15.pdf 

$649, 40A circuit, 14-50 plug (I'll have to rewire socket), moderately 
compact.


Consider: Lectron 30A
https://ev-lectron.com/products/lectron-portable-electric-car-charger-32a
$306. Can't find any specs, which gives strong negative vibes.

Any suggestions ?

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[(-Phil-) via EV]

I recently installed one of these for a friend, and it seems to be pretty
solid for a low-cost Chinese EVSE that will do 40A.   It's on sale for $291
right now:  https://amzn.to/45XTY9a

On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 2:30 PM Ken Olum via EV  wrote:

> People I know who have the Grizzl-E seems to like it.
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People I know who have the Grizzl-E seems to like it.

Ken

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[Rod Hower via EV]

 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08PQ42SJ4
That one has a 28 foot cable but only goes up to 16A on 240 which is fine for 
my Chevy Volt but might not be enough for your application.  $229
On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 10:31:41 AM EDT, Peri Hartman via EV 
 wrote:  
 
 My ESVE stopped working. I'm planning to replace it and would like some 
suggestions.

The low voltage circuit blew a fuse. I put in a new one and it 
practically exploded. Obviously a dead short which, I presume, means the 
power supply went bad. I'm sure I could replace that but I'm not sure I 
want to spend the time trying to find the part and to do the swap.

I've looked online at several J1772 ESVEs. I have a 40A circuit with a 
nema 6-50 socket (I think). I need a 20'-25' cable. Will be outdoor.

AEFA Mini Cooper
https://ev-chargers.com/mini/mini-cooper-se-ev-chargers/
$275, up to 40A (input or output, don't know), 6-50 option, compact.

Grizzl-E GR1-14-24-P, GR1-6-24-P
https://grizzl-e.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Classic-brochure-letter-2022-1.pdf
$395, 32A output on 40A circuit, 6-50 option, reasonably compact.

Kind of expensive: Juicebox 40
https://evcharging.enelx.com/images/JuiceBox/PDF/Next-Gen_JuiceBox_40_1_15.pdf
$649, 40A circuit, 14-50 plug (I'll have to rewire socket),  moderately 
compact.

Consider: Lectron 30A
https://ev-lectron.com/products/lectron-portable-electric-car-charger-32a
$306. Can't find any specs, which gives strong negative vibes.

Any suggestions ?

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[EVDL] need new home ESVE

[Peri Hartman via EV]

My ESVE stopped working. I'm planning to replace it and would like some 
suggestions.


The low voltage circuit blew a fuse. I put in a new one and it 
practically exploded. Obviously a dead short which, I presume, means the 
power supply went bad. I'm sure I could replace that but I'm not sure I 
want to spend the time trying to find the part and to do the swap.


I've looked online at several J1772 ESVEs. I have a 40A circuit with a 
nema 6-50 socket (I think). I need a 20'-25' cable. Will be outdoor.


AEFA Mini Cooper
https://ev-chargers.com/mini/mini-cooper-se-ev-chargers/
$275, up to 40A (input or output, don't know), 6-50 option, compact.

Grizzl-E GR1-14-24-P, GR1-6-24-P
https://grizzl-e.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Classic-brochure-letter-2022-1.pdf
$395, 32A output on 40A circuit, 6-50 option, reasonably compact.

Kind of expensive: Juicebox 40
https://evcharging.enelx.com/images/JuiceBox/PDF/Next-Gen_JuiceBox_40_1_15.pdf
$649, 40A circuit, 14-50 plug (I'll have to rewire socket),  moderately 
compact.


Consider: Lectron 30A
https://ev-lectron.com/products/lectron-portable-electric-car-charger-32a
$306. Can't find any specs, which gives strong negative vibes.

Any suggestions ?

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