Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] CPUC meeting via the web. Concerning

2022-01-06 Thread EV List Lackey via EV 
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From:   Bobby Keeland 
Date sent:  Wed, 5 Jan 2022 19:07:15 -0600
Subject:Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] CPUC meeting via the web. Concerning 
expensive
fees to kill solar.
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List , 
"clean...@sbcglobal.net" 

   In the part of southern Louisiana where we live our electric utility has
already killed net metering for anyone installing new solar panels. That
started on January 1, 2021.

For those of us who already have solar panels and a net meter we are
grandfathered for 10 years, then we lose net metering.

   We therefore have been looking into doubling the number of solar panels,
adding more inverters and adding LiFePO4 batteries. When the off-grid part
is working we will cancel the grid. Now I begin to worry about the utility
not `allowing us´ to cancel?

 A thought is to separate our house electricity into two parts. One will be
off-grid while the other will be connected to the grid. We don´t like the
fact that a part of the grid electricity in this area is still generated by
burning coal. Our kids and grandkids deserve more.

Bobby Keeland
Arnaudville, Louisiana

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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] CPUC meeting via the web. Concerning

2022-01-06 Thread EV List Lackey via EV 
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From:   "(-Phil-)" 
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
Subject:Re: [EVDL] CPUC meeting via the web. Concerning expensive fees 
to 
kill solar.
Date sent:  Wed, 5 Jan 2022 14:25:43 -0800

Here's the comment I filed.  I don't know if anyone at the CPUC will read it 
or it will even matter, but I'll continue to do what I can:  

"Hello CPUC, Thanks for your work!

I currently have 9.125kW of PV but only a 7.7kW inverter under NEM2.  I 
currently produce more than I use on average.  If I were to have NEM3 
applied, It would not make sense to provide my excess power to the grid. My 
most sensible option would be to add a battery and disconnect from the grid 
to avoid the ridiculous $73/month "penalty tax" based on my system size. 
($73/month could pay off battery cost)  

PG CONSIDERS RATED PV SIZE NOT INVERTER SIZE WHICH IS NUTS!  Under NEM3, I 
would pay $73 per month even though I'm exporting most of my power, but can 
only sell up to 7.7kW not 9.125kW, so my NEM3 penalty tax should be $61.60 
instead of $73 in any event.  

CPUC: PLEASE make this fair!  It's acceptable to charge for T 
(Transmission and Distribution) based on what I sell and buy, but I should 
not be charged a fixed monthly tax on a system, regardless of my use or it's 
performance.  It's especially crazy to base it on the PV power rather than 
inverter power when the inverter is the limiting factor!  I'm mainly 
exporting on average and the system cannot generate more than my 7.7kW 
inverter size!  

Regardless of how NEM3 ends up, People like me that spent a lot on their 
systems under NEM1/2 should at least be grandfathered in for the life of 
their system since connected, which according to my solar panel warranty is 
25 years!  (some are 30!)  I intentionally oversized the PV on my system to 
cover my winter use and future increases as the climate gets worse and my 
system performance drops.  The NEM3 "penalty tax" would punish people for 
adding extra reserve PV capacity.  NEM3 should still reward customers for 
contributing to the grid, not forcing them to disconnect!  There is already 
a "smart" meter on my house that can MEASURE how much I sell or use.  Use 
THIS to calculate my T burden, not a fixed penalty tax!  

I realize this is not a present topic, but I think T (Transmission and 
Distribution) should be held in the public trust as a public right-of-way 
just like roads and highways are.  People would pay their fair share of toll 
charges to the system, and anyone could buy and sell power on this public 
system.  This would end the monopolies beholden only to their shareholders. 
Imagine if you were forced to pay Chevron or Exxon to only use their pothole-
laden roads at whatever fees they felt like charging!? This is life with 
PG  They tried their business model and FAILED. Do not keep propping them 
up!  Natural selection has run its course here.  

People of the CPUC, Thank you for your consideration!"

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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] CPUC meeting via the web. Concerning expensive fees to kill solar. (j...@k6ccc.org)

2022-01-06 Thread jim--- via EV 
January 27th meeting - not the 13th.
That was the date I recalled from the LA Times article about a week ago.

Jim Walls




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I think this is the missing file from my computer. Sorry for that Lawrence 
Rhodes
  https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/nemrevisit
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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] CPUC meeting via the web. Concerning expensive fees to kill solar. (j...@k6ccc.org)

2022-01-05 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV 
I think this is the missing file from my computer. Sorry for that Lawrence 
Rhodes
  https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/nemrevisit
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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] CPUC meeting via the web. Concerning expensive fees to kill solar.

2022-01-05 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV 
A good cause, but suboptimal in light of a raging pandemic.

- Mark

Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone

> On Jan 5, 2022, at 2:49 PM, cleanair--- via EV  wrote:
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> A gathering in front of the SF CPUC office is scheduled to protest the 
> increase.Hope to see some familiar faces.
> Danny
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> 2) Join us on January 13th in Los Angeles and San Francisco. The news media 
> is our best megaphone. They covered our 300-foot long Huntington Beach sand 
> protest and our 200-person human billboard in Sacramento. Now we want to 
> stage a 1,000+ demonstration of consumers, solar workers and community 
> leaders to send the ultimate SOS message to our Governor: "Save Our Solar". 
> Sign up
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> Save Our Solar Rally - San Francisco (CPUC Building) and Los Angeles 
> (Pershing Square) January 13 at 11 a.m.
> 
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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] CPUC meeting via the web. Concerning expensive fees to kill solar.

2022-01-05 Thread David Murphy via EV 
That's the agenda I went through and couldn't find it.
I also went through most of the docs that pop up by searching on the
meeting date.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:53 PM (-pEEf-) via EV  wrote:

> Yeah, You are right Jim, Here's the Agenda for the 13th:
>
> https://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/SearchRes.aspx?DocTypeID=1=Current%20Meeting%20Agenda=1
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:49 PM jim--- via EV  wrote:
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> > The file location you posted is on your hard drive.  Not available to us.
> >
> > And I can't find anything on the agenda related to solar.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: "Lawrence Rhodes via EV" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 12:44
> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
> > Cc: "Lawrence Rhodes" 
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] CPUC meeting via the web. Concerning
> expensive
> > fees to kill solar.
> >
> > file:///C:/Users/owner/Downloads/371909265.PDF This is the .pdf of the
> > tarrif(tax) on solar proposal. It is a complicated document which I have
> > only started to go through. Couldn't find the fee structure. Lawrence
> Rhodes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, January 5, 2022, 12:01:07 PM PST, Lawrence Rhodes <
> > primobass...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please do your part to complain about these proposed fees. If this goes
> > through, what is the point of having solar...I will disconnect from the
> > grid and get batteries.
> >
> https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/events-and-meetings/cpuc-voting-meeting-01-13-2022
> > This is the link for a meeting of the CPUC over proposed fees for owning
> > and connecting solar to the grid. A lot of buried information that must
> be
> > sorted through.  Below links to contact board members which is not
> obvious.
> > Lawrence Rhodes
> >
> >
> >
> https://apps.cpuc.ca.gov/apex/f?p=401%3A56%3A0%3A%3ANO%3ARP%2C57%2CRIR%3AP5_PROCEEDING_SELECT%3AR2008020
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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] CPUC meeting via the web. Concerning expensive fees to kill solar.

2022-01-05 Thread (-pEEf-) via EV 
Yeah, You are right Jim, Here's the Agenda for the 13th:
https://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/SearchRes.aspx?DocTypeID=1=Current%20Meeting%20Agenda=1

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:49 PM jim--- via EV  wrote:

> The file location you posted is on your hard drive.  Not available to us.
>
> And I can't find anything on the agenda related to solar.
>
> Jim
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>
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> -Original Message-
> From: "Lawrence Rhodes via EV" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 12:44
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Lawrence Rhodes" 
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] CPUC meeting via the web. Concerning expensive
> fees to kill solar.
>
> file:///C:/Users/owner/Downloads/371909265.PDF This is the .pdf of the
> tarrif(tax) on solar proposal. It is a complicated document which I have
> only started to go through. Couldn't find the fee structure. Lawrence Rhodes
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022, 12:01:07 PM PST, Lawrence Rhodes <
> primobass...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Please do your part to complain about these proposed fees. If this goes
> through, what is the point of having solar...I will disconnect from the
> grid and get batteries.
> https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/events-and-meetings/cpuc-voting-meeting-01-13-2022
> This is the link for a meeting of the CPUC over proposed fees for owning
> and connecting solar to the grid. A lot of buried information that must be
> sorted through.  Below links to contact board members which is not obvious.
> Lawrence Rhodes
>
>
> https://apps.cpuc.ca.gov/apex/f?p=401%3A56%3A0%3A%3ANO%3ARP%2C57%2CRIR%3AP5_PROCEEDING_SELECT%3AR2008020
> comment link. Couldn't figure it out.
> Parties: https://ia.cpuc.ca.gov/servicelists/R2008020_88217.htm
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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] CPUC meeting via the web. Concerning expensive fees to kill solar.

2022-01-05 Thread jim--- via EV 
The file location you posted is on your hard drive.  Not available to us.

And I can't find anything on the agenda related to solar.

Jim




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Subject: Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] CPUC meeting via the web. Concerning expensive fees 
to kill solar.

file:///C:/Users/owner/Downloads/371909265.PDF This is the .pdf of the 
tarrif(tax) on solar proposal. It is a complicated document which I have only 
started to go through. Couldn't find the fee structure. Lawrence Rhodes






On Wednesday, January 5, 2022, 12:01:07 PM PST, Lawrence Rhodes 
 wrote: 





Please do your part to complain about these proposed fees. If this goes 
through, what is the point of having solar...I will disconnect from the grid 
and get batteries. 
https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/events-and-meetings/cpuc-voting-meeting-01-13-2022 This 
is the link for a meeting of the CPUC over proposed fees for owning and 
connecting solar to the grid. A lot of buried information that must be sorted 
through.  Below links to contact board members which is not obvious. Lawrence 
Rhodes

https://apps.cpuc.ca.gov/apex/f?p=401%3A56%3A0%3A%3ANO%3ARP%2C57%2CRIR%3AP5_PROCEEDING_SELECT%3AR2008020
 comment link. Couldn't figure it out. 
Parties: https://ia.cpuc.ca.gov/servicelists/R2008020_88217.htm


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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] CPUC meeting via the web. Concerning expensive fees to kill solar.

2022-01-05 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV 
file:///C:/Users/owner/Downloads/371909265.PDF This is the .pdf of the 
tarrif(tax) on solar proposal. It is a complicated document which I have only 
started to go through. Couldn't find the fee structure. Lawrence Rhodes






On Wednesday, January 5, 2022, 12:01:07 PM PST, Lawrence Rhodes 
 wrote: 





Please do your part to complain about these proposed fees. If this goes 
through, what is the point of having solar...I will disconnect from the grid 
and get batteries. 
https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/events-and-meetings/cpuc-voting-meeting-01-13-2022 This 
is the link for a meeting of the CPUC over proposed fees for owning and 
connecting solar to the grid. A lot of buried information that must be sorted 
through.  Below links to contact board members which is not obvious. Lawrence 
Rhodes

https://apps.cpuc.ca.gov/apex/f?p=401%3A56%3A0%3A%3ANO%3ARP%2C57%2CRIR%3AP5_PROCEEDING_SELECT%3AR2008020
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