Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] Car carrier on fire abandoned in Atlantic

[EV List Lackey via EV]

On 19 Feb 2022 at 15:39, Bill Dube via EV wrote:

> statistically, ICE cars catch fire _far_ more frequently than electric
> cars. 

Is that by numbers or by percentages?  Do you have any numbers?  

I have no clue what the percentage might be.  Obviously there are still a 
lot more ICEVs on the road, so of course there will be more ICEV fires.  And 
they're all running round crashing into each other with this dangerous 
flammable liquid in them.

Since the petrol-microbrains are almost certain to jump on this EV news with 
both clown feet, I wonder how often ICEVs catch fire *during shipping*. 

Seems to me that they must have at least some fuel in them when they go on 
the boat or rail car.  They come off the line that way, or at least they did 
in the late 1960s when I toured the Ford plant in Dearborn, and watched 
their yahoos light up the Mustangs' tires as they came off the line (all 
part of Ford's new car break-in service, I guess).

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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] Car carrier on fire abandoned in Atlantic

[Bill Dube via EV]

I think that this ship will likely burn and then sink to the bottom of 
the ocean. Thus, we will likely never know what actually caused the fire.


Having said that, statistically, ICE cars catch fire _far_ more 
frequently than electric cars.


Bill D.

On 2/19/2022 3:23 PM, EV List Lackey via EV wrote:

I already get a lot of hits on the search term "felicity ace."  A *lot*.  As
usual it's hard to tell which are spammy content farms copying and pasting
each other, and which have valid original reporting, so I can't warrant
anything that follows.

This first piece cites "the captain of the nearest port ...Joao Mendes
Cabecas of the port of Horta" saying that "Lithium-ion batteries in the
electric cars on board the vehicle carrier Felicity Ace have caught fire and
the blaze requires specialist equipment to extinguish," but that "It was not
clear whether the batteries first sparked the fire."

https://www.marinelink.com/news/felicity-ace-ablaze-towing-vessels-en-494447

It doesn't say what led Cabecas to make that statement, or what his
qualifications are for so reporting.

This next report says that  "An internal email from Volkswagen's U.S.
operations revealed there were 3,965 Volkswagen AG vehicles aboard the ship
...Over 100 of those cars were headed for Port of Houston in Texas, with
GTI, Golf R, and ID.4 models deemed to be at risk ..."

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/felicity-ace-felicity-ace-cargo-ship-burning-
ship-carrying-porsches-audis-lamborghinis-drifts-in-atlantic-2774938

or https://v.gd/UTecxM

I've seen this "internal email" similarly cited in other stories as having
"revealed" information, but the email isn't directly quoted, its author
isn't identified, and nothing says whether the news piece's writer had
actual direct access to it, or is just repeating hearsay.  So, again, I
don't know how helpful this really is.

I expect that more details will emerge over the next 24 hours or so.

It sure does appear that some folks who've ordered EVs will be waiting for
them a while longer.

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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] Car carrier on fire abandoned in Atlantic

[EV List Lackey via EV]

I already get a lot of hits on the search term "felicity ace."  A *lot*.  As 
usual it's hard to tell which are spammy content farms copying and pasting 
each other, and which have valid original reporting, so I can't warrant 
anything that follows.

This first piece cites "the captain of the nearest port ...Joao Mendes 
Cabecas of the port of Horta" saying that "Lithium-ion batteries in the 
electric cars on board the vehicle carrier Felicity Ace have caught fire and 
the blaze requires specialist equipment to extinguish," but that "It was not 
clear whether the batteries first sparked the fire."

https://www.marinelink.com/news/felicity-ace-ablaze-towing-vessels-en-494447

It doesn't say what led Cabecas to make that statement, or what his 
qualifications are for so reporting.  

This next report says that  "An internal email from Volkswagen's U.S. 
operations revealed there were 3,965 Volkswagen AG vehicles aboard the ship 
...Over 100 of those cars were headed for Port of Houston in Texas, with 
GTI, Golf R, and ID.4 models deemed to be at risk ..."

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/felicity-ace-felicity-ace-cargo-ship-burning-
ship-carrying-porsches-audis-lamborghinis-drifts-in-atlantic-2774938

or https://v.gd/UTecxM

I've seen this "internal email" similarly cited in other stories as having 
"revealed" information, but the email isn't directly quoted, its author 
isn't identified, and nothing says whether the news piece's writer had 
actual direct access to it, or is just repeating hearsay.  So, again, I 
don't know how helpful this really is.

I expect that more details will emerge over the next 24 hours or so.

It sure does appear that some folks who've ordered EVs will be waiting for 
them a while longer.

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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] Car carrier on fire abandoned in Atlantic

[Willie via EV]

On 2/18/22 1:09 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
I think we'll find out. I believe reporters are interested whether an 
EV caused the fire, since EVs are still relatively novel and EV fire 
incidents are controversial, in the public's eye.


This source mentions some ID4s were in the cargo.  It seems likely that 
there were some Porsche EVs also.


http://www.itechpost.com/articles/109206/20220218/volkswagen-porsche-cars-burning-felicity-ace-cargo-ship-what-s.htm

I have a little VWAPY which was down only 2% today.  This could be an 
enormous hit to VW.





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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] Car carrier on fire abandoned in Atlantic

[Peri Hartman via EV]

I think we'll find out. I believe reporters are interested whether an EV 
caused the fire, since EVs are still relatively novel and EV fire 
incidents are controversial, in the public's eye.


Peri

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On 18 Feb 2022 at 12:52, Willie via EV wrote:


 It appears the fire could have come from VW or Porsche EVs.


I'd forgotten about the Porsche Taycan.  That's a possibility.

However, I see nothing in either story that indicates whether any EVs are in
the shipment, much less blaming them for the fire.

It's hard to imagine reporters caring about whether EVs are on a ship like
that, and digging for it.  Unless VW voluntarily releases the info, we
probably won't find out, unfortunately.

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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] Car carrier on fire abandoned in Atlantic

[EV List Lackey via EV]

On 18 Feb 2022 at 12:52, Willie via EV wrote:

> It appears the fire could have come from VW or Porsche EVs. 

I'd forgotten about the Porsche Taycan.  That's a possibility.  

However, I see nothing in either story that indicates whether any EVs are in 
the shipment, much less blaming them for the fire. 

It's hard to imagine reporters caring about whether EVs are on a ship like 
that, and digging for it.  Unless VW voluntarily releases the info, we 
probably won't find out, unfortunately.

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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] Car carrier on fire abandoned in Atlantic

[EV List Lackey via EV]

On 18 Feb 2022 at 9:07, jim--- via EV wrote:

> Unfortunately, that link requires an account to read.

It's working for me, and I don't have an account.  Here you go.  

I wouldn't want to speculate on how many, if any, are EVs.  But AFAIK the 
only EV that Volkswagen currently offers in the US is the ID4, and the story 
implies that the shipment is heavy on high-dollar vehicles (Porsches and 
Bentleys).

===

Ship Carrying 1,100 Porsches and Other Luxury Cars Is Burning and Adrift

A fire broke out Wednesday morning in the cargo hold of the ship, which 
departed from Emden, Germany, on Feb. 10 and was due to arrive in 
Davisville, R.I., on Wednesday.

By Vimal Patel
Feb. 17, 2022

A mammoth cargo ship believed to be carrying thousands of vehicles including 
1,100 Porsches was on fire and drifting off the coast of the Azores on 
Thursday after its 22 crew members were rescued from the vessel.

The fire broke out on Wednesday morning in the cargo hold of the ship, 
called the Felicity Ace, which had departed from Emden, Germany, on Feb. 10 
and was scheduled to arrive in Davisville, R.I., on Wednesday, according to 
a ship tracking website. The ship was about 200 miles from Terceira Island 
in the Azores, the Portuguese island territory, when Portuguese forces moved 
in on Wednesday to evacuate the crew.

No rescuers or crew members were injured in the "highly skilled and 
physically demanding" operation, which included a helicopter that whisked 
the crew members to the nearby Portuguese island of Faial, according to the 
authorities.

It was unclear how much of the 650-foot, 60,000-ton cargo ship´s inventory 
was lost in the fire and how the authorities would tend to the stricken 
ship. The shipping company could not immediately be reached.

The Drive, an automotive website, reported that the Volkswagen Group 
estimated nearly 4,000 vehicles were on board, including 189 Bentleys. 
Emails sent to the Volkswagen Group were not immediately answered.

The fire comes as showrooms across the country are trying to meet consumer 
demand amid supply-chain problems caused partly by the pandemic. Low 
interest rates, higher savings rates and government stimulus payments have 
increased demand, while automakers have struggled to weather a shortage of 
computer chips.

Matt Farah, a car enthusiast and editor of The Smoking Tire, had been 
waiting for his 2022 frozen-berry metallic Boxster Spyder, with a retail 
price of about $123,000 and modified to his precise specifications, since 
August. "The best sports car of all time, hands down," he wrote.

He received disappointing news on Wednesday, he said: "I just got a call 
from my dealer. My car is now adrift, possibly on fire, in the middle of the 
ocean."

In a statement on Thursday, Mr. Farah said that a Porsche representative 
confirmed that his car was on the boat and apologized for the inconvenience. 
"That was yesterday, and I have not heard any updates since," he said. "I´m 
glad no one was hurt in the fire and everyone is safe, which is the most 
important thing. I´m sure that whatever happens going forward, Porsche will 
do right by their customers."

In a statement on Thursday evening, a spokeswoman for Porsche Cars North 
America said that 1,100 of the company´s cars were on board but that the 
fate of the vehicles was unknown. She encouraged customers worried about 
their car to contact their dealer.  "Our immediate thoughts are of relief 
that the 22 crew members of the merchant ship Felicity Ace are safe and 
well," the statement said.

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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] Car carrier on fire abandoned in Atlantic

[Willie via EV]

On 2/18/22 12:07 PM, jim--- via EV wrote:

Unfortunately, that link requires an account to read.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cargo-ship-felicity-ace-fire-atlantic-ocean/?

It appears the fire could have come from VW or Porsche EVs. Though I saw 
no specific mention.




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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] Car carrier on fire abandoned in Atlantic

[jim--- via EV]

Unfortunately, that link requires an account to read.

Jim



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Subject: Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] Car carrier on fire abandoned in Atlantic

 
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/17/world/europe/felicity-ace-vessel-fire.html?auth=login-google_id=9=edit_nn_20220218_id=53574=the-morning_id=108513477_id=83155=1_id=d43ba64a8c1a5f40ae65efe44b173266
On Friday, February 18, 2022, 08:17:04 AM PST, Randy Spencer via groups.io 
 wrote:  
 
 I missed this, do you have a link?


On Feb 18, 2022, at 8:13 AM, Lawrence Rhodes  wrote:
 1,100 luxury cars. What a pity. Insurance fraud? Could be another way of 
getting rid of stranded assets.  Wonder how many electric cars were on board? 
Lawrence Rhodes  

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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] Car carrier on fire abandoned in Atlantic

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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/17/world/europe/felicity-ace-vessel-fire.html?auth=login-google_id=9=edit_nn_20220218_id=53574=the-morning_id=108513477_id=83155=1_id=d43ba64a8c1a5f40ae65efe44b173266
On Friday, February 18, 2022, 08:17:04 AM PST, Randy Spencer via groups.io 
 wrote:  
 
 I missed this, do you have a link?


On Feb 18, 2022, at 8:13 AM, Lawrence Rhodes  wrote:
 1,100 luxury cars. What a pity. Insurance fraud? Could be another way of 
getting rid of stranded assets.  Wonder how many electric cars were on board? 
Lawrence Rhodes  

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