KK wired article on TOE etc

2002-11-18 Thread vznuri

as just noted by TCM, kevin kelly on a computational/algorithmic TOE,
wolfram, wheeler, etcetera, from current issue of wired.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.12/holytech.html

I would say we are all in the midst of some kind
of "algorithmic revolution" that is sweeping across
culture, industry, & scientific fields etc. .. more
on that theme here

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theory-edge/




Re: The number 8. A TOE?

2002-11-18 Thread Russell Standish
Tim May wrote:
> 
> The articles, especially those by Marcus Chown, are wildly speculative 
> hints at what may be aspects of reality...at least this is how I treat 
> them. And what appears to be just idle speculation sometimes is linked 
> with things I know to be important (a cover story on the work of Greg 
> Chaitin comes to mind...anyone not familiar with Chaitin's work would 
> probably think the article was hype, but it contained hints and nuggets 
> which might inspire some folks unfamiliar with his work to take a 
> closer look.).
> 

Agreed. It was precisely one such story on New Scientist about Max
Tegmark that lead me to this list!

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Re: The number 8. A TOE?

2002-11-18 Thread Tim May

On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 07:12  AM, Marchal Bruno wrote:


Hi,

I hope you have not missed Ian Steward's paper on the number
8, considered as a TOE in the last new scientist.
It mentions a paper by John Baez on the octonions. The
octonions seems to be a key ingredient for the quantization
of general relativity.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/Octonions/

I am too buzy now to make comments but it seems *very*
interesting, if not convincing.



I happened to see Stewart's article at a news stand. He writes good 
general math books, so he was able to do a good job explaining 
octonions and hinting at why they may be important.

(I was struck by the point that the sequence "1, 2, 4, 8" is the only 
sequence satisfying certain properties--the only "scalars, vectors, 
quaternions, octonions" there can be--and that the sequence "3, 4, 6, 
10," just 2 higher than the first sequence, is closely related to 
allowable solutions in some superstring theories, and that these facts 
are related.)

Ironically, in the Bogdananov/Sokal controversy being discussed in 
sci.physics.research, the topic of articles in "New Scientist" came up 
a week or so ago. Baez said he no longer reads "Scientific American," 
"New Scientist," and similar popular magazines because of their 
watered-down, sensationalized, dumbed-down, breathless hype. Someone 
(maybe Baez) said that cover stories in "New Scientist" are a good 
place to look for what _not_ to take seriously! I have to wonder what 
Baez thinks of being quoted in this latest cover story!

I actually enjoy the speculative cover stories in "New Scientist." I 
take them with a grain of salt, especially as every few weeks there's a 
new article about a new theory of everything, a new theory of how the 
universe arises out of nothingness or out of some sort of dream state.  
 (Perhaps like some of the theories people here on this list have!)

The articles, especially those by Marcus Chown, are wildly speculative 
hints at what may be aspects of reality...at least this is how I treat 
them. And what appears to be just idle speculation sometimes is linked 
with things I know to be important (a cover story on the work of Greg 
Chaitin comes to mind...anyone not familiar with Chaitin's work would 
probably think the article was hype, but it contained hints and nuggets 
which might inspire some folks unfamiliar with his work to take a 
closer look.).



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The number 8. A TOE?

2002-11-18 Thread Marchal Bruno
Hi,

I hope you have not missed Ian Steward's paper on the number
8, considered as a TOE in the last new scientist.
It mentions a paper by John Baez on the octonions. The
octonions seems to be a key ingredient for the quantization
of general relativity. 

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/Octonions/

I am too buzy now to make comments but it seems *very* 
interesting, if not convincing.

You can find many discussions on the net about Baez's paper.
For example, one by Osher Doctorow 
http://superstringtheory.com/forum/superboard/messages/114.html

Bruno