Bijections (was OM = SIGMA1)

2007-11-14 Thread Bruno Marchal

Hi David, Hi John,

OK, here is a first try. Let me know if this is too easy, too 
difficult, or something in between. The path is not so long, so it is 
useful to take time on the very beginning.
I end up with some exercice. I will give the solutions, but please try 
to be aware if you can or cannot do them, so as not missing the train.

John, if you have never done what has been called modern math, you 
could have slight notation problem, please ask any question. I guess 
for some other the first posts in this thread could look too much 
simple. Be careful when we will go from this to the computability 
matter.

I recall the plan, where I have added the bijection thread:

Plan

0) Bijections
1) Cantor's diagonal
2) Does the universal digital machine exist?

And for much later, if people are interested or ask question:

3) Lobian machines,  who and/or what are they?
4) The 1-person and the 3- machine.
5) Lobian machines' theology
6) Lobian machines' physics
7) Lobian machines' ethics

But my main goal first is to explain that Church thesis is a very 
strong postulate. I need first to be sure you have no trouble with the 
notion of bijection.


0) Bijections

Suppose you have a flock of sheep. Your neighbor too. You want to know 
if you have more, less or the same number of sheep, but the trouble is 
that neither you nor your neighbor can count (nor anyone around).

Amazingly enough, perhaps, it is still possible to answer that 
question, at least if you have enough pieces of rope. The idea consists 
in attaching one extremity of a rope to one of your sheep and the other 
extremity to one of the neighbor's sheep, and then to continue. You are 
not allow to attach two ropes to one sheep, never.

In the case you and your neighbor have a different number of sheep, 
some sheep will lack a corresponding sheep at the extremity of their  
rope, so that their ropes will not be attached to some other sheep.

Exemple (your flock of sheep = {s, r, t, u},  and the sheep of the 
neighborgh = {a, b, c, d, e, f}.

s - a
r -- d
u - c
t --- f
   e
   b

and we see that the neighbor has more sheep than you, because b and e 
have their ropes unable to be attached to any remaining sheep you have, 
and this because there are no more sheep left in your flock. You have 
definitely less sheep.

In case all ropes attached in that way have a sheep well attached at 
both extremities, we can say that your flock and your neighbor's flock 
have the same number of elements, or same cardinality. In that case, 
the ropes represent a so called one-one function, or bijection, between 
the two flocks. If you have less sheep than your neighbor, then there 
is a bijection between your flock and a subset of your neighbor's 
flock.

If those flocks constitute a finite set, the existence of a bijection 
between the two flocks means that both flocks have the same number of 
sheep, and this is the idea that Cantor will generalize to get a notion 
of same number of element or same cardinality for couples of 
infinite sets.

Given that it is not clear, indeed,  if we can count the number of 
element of an infinite set, Cantor will have the idea of generalizing 
the notion of same number of elements, or same cardinality by the 
existence of such one-one function. The term bijection denotes 
one-one function.


Definition: A and B have same cardinality (size, number of elements) 
when there is a bijection from A to B.

Now, at first sight, we could think that all *infinite* sets have the 
same cardinality, indeed the cardinality of the infinite set N. By N, 
I mean of course the set {0, 1, 2,  3,  4,  ...}

By E, I mean the set of even number {0, 2, 4, 6, 8, ...}

Galileo is the first, to my knowledge to realize that N and E have the 
same number of elements, in Cantor's sense. By this I mean that 
Galileo realized that there is a bijection between N and E. For 
example, the function which sends x on 2*x, for each x in N is such a 
bijection.
Now, instead of taking this at face value like Cantor, Galileo will 
instead take this as a warning against the use of the infinite in math 
or calculus.
Confronted to more complex analytical problems of convergence of 
Fourier series, Cantor knew that throwing away infinite sets was too 
pricy, and on the contrary, will consider such problems as a motivation 
for its set theory. Dedekind will even define an infinite set by a 
set which is such that there is a bijection between itself and some 
proper subset of himself.

By Z, I mean the set of integers {..., -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, ...}

Again there is a bijection between N and Z.  For example,

0  1  2  3  4  56  7  8  9  10 
0 -1 1 -2  2  -3   3  -4  4  -5  5 ...

or perhaps more clearly (especially if the mail does not respect the 
blank uniformely; the bijection, like all function, is better 
represented as set of couples:

bijection from N to Z = {(0,0) (1, -1) (2, 1) (3 -2) 

Re: Bijections (was OM = SIGMA1)

2007-11-14 Thread Torgny Tholerus

Bruno Marchal skrev:
 0) Bijections

 Definition: A and B have same cardinality (size, number of elements) 
 when there is a bijection from A to B.

 Now, at first sight, we could think that all *infinite* sets have the 
 same cardinality, indeed the cardinality of the infinite set N. By N, 
 I mean of course the set {0, 1, 2,  3,  4,  ...}
   
What do you mean by ...?
 By E, I mean the set of even number {0, 2, 4, 6, 8, ...}

 Galileo is the first, to my knowledge to realize that N and E have the 
 same number of elements, in Cantor's sense. By this I mean that 
 Galileo realized that there is a bijection between N and E. For 
 example, the function which sends x on 2*x, for each x in N is such a 
 bijection.
   
What do you mean by each x here?

How do you prove that each x in N has a corresponding number 2*x in E?

If m is the biggest number in N, then there will be no corresponding 
number 2*m in E, because 2*m is not a number.
 Now, instead of taking this at face value like Cantor, Galileo will 
 instead take this as a warning against the use of the infinite in math 
 or calculus.
   
-- 
Torgny Tholerus

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