Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

[Lawrence Crowell]

Yes there are technological solutions to solve aspect of the climate 
problem. Interestingly, the republicans work tirelessly to prevent their 
implementation.

LC
[image: trump as working man champion.jpg]

On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 5:29:56 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

> I question humanity's survival from a Putin initiated Nuclear Attack and 
> not the climate getting hotter. 538 can be indeed accurate, but the rising 
> violent crime rate does not seem to be illusory. For my values, drilling 
> and mining are far better, even though they lead to more, bad, climate, 
> crap.  
>
> Because, it is better than allowing people to die in the heat, or freeze 
> in the dark, and based on the writings of many environmentalists, they are 
> good with this, because they are "saving the earth." I get this on Reddit 
> quite often. Yes, I would agree that this is likely to be a skewed 
> sampling.  
>
> For climate and even Putin, there are technological fixes to be applied. 
> For expecting too much from one's fellow primates, I would invoke the 
> singing of American social philosopher, Joey Ramone. 
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfIfzVf8t6E
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lawrence Crowell 
> To: Everything List 
> Sent: Sun, Jul 17, 2022 9:30 am
> Subject: Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.
>
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 3:08:30 AM UTC-5 telmo wrote:
>
>
>
> Am So, 17. Jul 2022, um 08:52, schrieb spudboy100 via Everything List:
>
> I will use another democratic party media source as my contention that 
> violent crime has risen.  
> Denver 7 (one of yours LC)
>
> https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/americas-cities-are-seeing-drastic-rises-in-violent-crime
>
> and, with other local dem sources I will continue-
>
> https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/7/15/23216341/violent-crime-soared-arrests-historic-lows-chicago-police-department-david-brown-lori-lightfoot
>
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/us-city-violent-crime-rate-perception/661337/
>
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/07/16/crime-maryland-governor-race/
>
> So, everybody, even in the hoods are wrong about violent crime, but white 
> liberals are correct because, people are racist, and racism, and bad, and 
> Trump too! On this one, LC you need to be selling your fellow democratic 
> voters say, the UAW, rather than me. 
>
>
> Yes, fuck official statistics! Let us rely instead on a bunch of 
> cherry-picked news items that mention local perceptions of increase in 
> violent crime without providing any evidence that this is the case. And let 
> us connect all this to the only thing that matters: political tribalism.
>
> Telmo
>
>
> That was why I posted the 538 article. That is usually pretty credible.
>
> Biden and the dems are going to get snagged on the fuel prices in 2022 
> elections. Never mind it has little to do with policies, and much to do 
> with supply chain failures with the pandemic and now the Russo-Ukraine war. 
> As per below with the decision to stop the pipeline, even if that were 
> running at full capacity now, which would not be possible, it would have 
> small impact on the price of oil. The price of oil is set on an 
> international market scale, not regionally or nationally. This is a mantra 
> that keeps going, drill-baby-drill, and keeps unthinking people going to 
> the polls to pull the GOP lever. 
>
> To be honest this is why I really question whether humanity can survive. 
> We need to get off the carbon energy cycle, and this summer is a serious 
> scorcher. But, people will not think and by the time we really take action 
> it will probably be too late. I even suspect that if humanity is this 
> greedy and stupid then maybe it is all good riddance to bad rubbish.
>
> LC
>
>  
>
>
> On energy policy Joey did what liberals around the world did with 
> renewables, kicked the can down the road to 2050 for the glorious day of 
> netzero. Joey used the Bureau of Land Management via Ex orders to halt 
> drilling. You don't think Vlad didn't see this and decided not to take 
> advantage?* Because Joey and Merkel were uncaring fools *doesn't mean 
> everyone is so ideologically blind. Joey had both the senate and the house 
> and did jack shit. I don't think even in this era of shortages Joey is 
> willing in an emergency, to allow drilling because, liberals want to save 
> the earth, and nuclear war with Putin is surely no existential threat to us 
> now, is it?? No, of course not!
>
> https://www.lowellsun.com/2022/07/11/krikorian-president-biden-makes-good-on-his-promises-no-seriously/
> Refute Kerkorian's facts please?
>
> The bottom line is that unless you get El Schmucko to modify his policies 
> in a major way, November will not be a good time to be a loyal Democrat.  
> One glint of light for your team LC, is the cancellation of Roe v Wade, 
> which will galvanize many women. We'll see. 
>
> On what I'd reco for energy, nobody asked. The sad 

Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

[Brent Meeker]

On 7/17/2022 3:29 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
I question humanity's survival from a Putin initiated Nuclear Attack 
and not the climate getting hotter.


You continually tell us your opinion, but never any reasons why it's 
true.  Opinion is cheap.  Data is dear.


Brent

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Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

The extremely rich, who bribe the pols, JC, see higher taxes as merely, The 
Cost of Doing Business. Higher taxes don't make anything more virtuous. The 
only virtuousness lays with who in fact benefits I would say that if 
somebody who makes a miracle medicine (not just a bullshit claim) is better 
than say George S's Tides Foundation which funds for Dem district attorneys 
that view lifelong street criminals to be freed, because they endured hard 
lives as children, and then they end up killing their victims. This looks to be 
the crime rise perception feeder. 
Meaning what? Meaning a policy is only good If and Only If, it really helps? 
Thus, I'd go for measuring results of public policy, yeah, with statistics as a 
starter. 
The wealth of the uber rich matters to me only how their lobbying to 
politicians benefits us or harms us?? My take on this is, globalism=bad, 
crime=bad, no drilling=bad 4 now, no mass solar installations = bad, bad, bad. 
no battery storage =bad.
Your view might be, no national medical service = inhuman!Mine might be =Ok, 
what's a good way of generating wealth to pay for this? 
On Bush Junior, I have heard and maybe this is simply disinformation, that 43 
enabled Bin Laden to escape to Iran (wink wink) and deliberately looked the 
other way to please his families Saudi friends. IF TRUE, and I don't know if it 
is, then the dude is criminal, and it only proves the vileness of allowing 
ourselves to be ruled by the rich. Meaning I am kind of a wannabe 
bourgeoise-power guy.  Ok well, that going to go nowhere, but, just saying. 
On women's autonomy over their bodies? I believe especially for attractive 
women, that neither the women themselves, nor, any politician from anywhere 
should have autonomy over their bodies. I think that I should have autonomy 
over their bodies. Yes, that's it! They, for some reason, disagree.
On abortion,  I believe based on research biologists using sheep, that we are 
at the point where fetal transfer into incubation boxes, aka artificial wombs, 
aka a womb with a view, are at hand, So instead of abortions we do that, and 
yes, pay for it, as a social workaround. $$$.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/artificial-wombs-how-sci-fi-could-one-day-meet-the-nicu

https://www.iflscience.com/this-artificial-womb-and-ai-nanny-is-the-future-of-child-development-claim-chinese-scientists-62437

https://www.wionews.com/science/synthetic-wombs-elon-musk-other-tech-entrepreneurs-discuss-population-collapse-solutions-446496

Yes to rapidly funding and prototyping. 


-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: spudboy...@aol.com
Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sun, Jul 17, 2022 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 5:10 PM  wrote:


> The last question first (3) I am a conservative in the sense of being a 
> nationalist because it seems to work better than the globalism, and the rule 
> of corporations which bribe politicians with campaign donations.

And apparently you believe the best way to reduce the amount of bribery the 
super ultra mega rich heads of corporations engage in is to oppose any attempt 
by the Democrats to increase the taxes on those very same super ultra mega rich 
corporate heads. That does not compute.
 
>  me no trust da billionaires,

So you want to protect those billionaires that you don't trust from the 
Democrats who want to tax them more so they  become only ultra mega rich and 
not super ultra mega rich. Explain that to me because I don't quite follow your 
logic. 
 
 > Buchanan once wanted Bush the Elder not to do Desert Storm because, "Iraq is 
 > just like North Korea!"

It turned out the Elder Bush was right about the Kuwait War but his son was 
wrong about the Iraq War, dead wrong.  


> Yes, I am opposed to the Holy Rollers restricting travel for any reason.  

I'm glad to hear it, now I must ask if you think people should have autonomy 
over their own bodies or should politicians in Washington have the final say 
about that? 
John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
qps




 I hope you're right but I don't think you are. 2024 is too far in the future 
to make political predictions that are worth a damn, but I think the Democrats 
are gonna lose control of both the House and the Senate in the midterm election 
this year, the Antidemocrats are going to triumph. Unemployment is the lowest 
it's been in years and the dollar is the strongest it's been in a generation, 
but gas prices are high and even though neither the president nor the Congress 
has much influence over that they are the ones in power so they are the ones 
who are going to get blamed.
And to many people, and to all Republicans, knocking a dollar off the price of 
a gallon of gas is more important than the US Constitution, and more important 
than the right to travel and the right to have autonomy over your own body, in 
particular the right to control your own womb if 

Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

I question humanity's survival from a Putin initiated Nuclear Attack and not 
the climate getting hotter. 538 can be indeed accurate, but the rising violent 
crime rate does not seem to be illusory. For my values, drilling and mining are 
far better, even though they lead to more, bad, climate, crap. 
Because, it is better than allowing people to die in the heat, or freeze in the 
dark, and based on the writings of many environmentalists, they are good with 
this, because they are "saving the earth." I get this on Reddit quite often. 
Yes, I would agree that this is likely to be a skewed sampling. 
For climate and even Putin, there are technological fixes to be applied. For 
expecting too much from one's fellow primates, I would invoke the singing of 
American social philosopher, Joey Ramone. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfIfzVf8t6E

-Original Message-
From: Lawrence Crowell 
To: Everything List 
Sent: Sun, Jul 17, 2022 9:30 am
Subject: Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 3:08:30 AM UTC-5 telmo wrote:



Am So, 17. Jul 2022, um 08:52, schrieb spudboy100 via Everything List:

I will use another democratic party media source as my contention that violent 
crime has risen.  
Denver 7 (one of yours LC)
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/americas-cities-are-seeing-drastic-rises-in-violent-crime
 
 and, with other local dem sources I will continue-
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/7/15/23216341/violent-crime-soared-arrests-historic-lows-chicago-police-department-david-brown-lori-lightfoot

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/us-city-violent-crime-rate-perception/661337/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/07/16/crime-maryland-governor-race/

So, everybody, even in the hoods are wrong about violent crime, but white 
liberals are correct because, people are racist, and racism, and bad, and Trump 
too! On this one, LC you need to be selling your fellow democratic voters say, 
the UAW, rather than me. 


Yes, fuck official statistics! Let us rely instead on a bunch of cherry-picked 
news items that mention local perceptions of increase in violent crime without 
providing any evidence that this is the case. And let us connect all this to 
the only thing that matters: political tribalism.

Telmo


That was why I posted the 538 article. That is usually pretty credible.
Biden and the dems are going to get snagged on the fuel prices in 2022 
elections. Never mind it has little to do with policies, and much to do with 
supply chain failures with the pandemic and now the Russo-Ukraine war. As per 
below with the decision to stop the pipeline, even if that were running at full 
capacity now, which would not be possible, it would have small impact on the 
price of oil. The price of oil is set on an international market scale, not 
regionally or nationally. This is a mantra that keeps going, drill-baby-drill, 
and keeps unthinking people going to the polls to pull the GOP lever. 
To be honest this is why I really question whether humanity can survive. We 
need to get off the carbon energy cycle, and this summer is a serious scorcher. 
But, people will not think and by the time we really take action it will 
probably be too late. I even suspect that if humanity is this greedy and stupid 
then maybe it is all good riddance to bad rubbish.
LC
 




On energy policy Joey did what liberals around the world did with renewables, 
kicked the can down the road to 2050 for the glorious day of netzero. Joey used 
the Bureau of Land Management via Ex orders to halt drilling. You don't think 
Vlad didn't see this and decided not to take advantage? Because Joey and Merkel 
were uncaring fools doesn't mean everyone is so ideologically blind. Joey had 
both the senate and the house and did jack shit. I don't think even in this era 
of shortages Joey is willing in an emergency, to allow drilling because, 
liberals want to save the earth, and nuclear war with Putin is surely no 
existential threat to us now, is it?? No, of course not!
https://www.lowellsun.com/2022/07/11/krikorian-president-biden-makes-good-on-his-promises-no-seriously/
Refute Kerkorian's facts please?

The bottom line is that unless you get El Schmucko to modify his policies in a 
major way, November will not be a good time to be a loyal Democrat.  One glint 
of light for your team LC, is the cancellation of Roe v Wade, which will 
galvanize many women. We'll see. 

On what I'd reco for energy, nobody asked. The sad thing is when the Liberals 
renewables are always a day late and a dollar short with actually installing 
these in read this, sufficient amounts, all we humans have is drill, baby, 
drill. What else are you guys offering besides vaporware? 

By the way, in the UK they do wind farms off the coast of Scotland, and the 
Australians are very big into EV's and Tesla roofs and PowerWalls, hint-hint. 
Try to get Joey's attention maybe, rather than just defend him? 

Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

[John Clark]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 5:10 PM  wrote:

*> The last question first (3) I am a conservative in the sense of being a
> nationalist because it seems to work better than the globalism, and the
> rule of corporations which bribe politicians with campaign donations.*
>

And apparently you believe the best way to reduce the amount of bribery the
super ultra mega rich heads of corporations engage in is to oppose any
attempt by the Democrats to increase the taxes on those very same super
ultra mega rich corporate heads. That does not compute.



> > * me no trust da billionaires,*
>

So you want to protect those billionaires that you don't trust from the
Democrats who want to tax them more so they  become only ultra mega rich
and not super ultra mega rich. Explain that to me because I don't quite
follow your logic.



> > Buchanan once wanted Bush the Elder not to do Desert Storm because,
> "Iraq is just like North Korea!"
>

It turned out the Elder Bush was right about the Kuwait War but his son was
wrong about the Iraq War, dead wrong.


*> Yes, I am opposed to the Holy Rollers restricting travel for any
> reason.  *


I'm glad to hear it, now I must ask if you think people should have
autonomy over their own bodies or should politicians in Washington have the
final say about that?

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

qps


>
>
> I hope you're right but I don't think you are. 2024 is too far in the
> future to make political predictions that are worth a damn, but I think the
> Democrats are gonna lose control of both the House and the Senate in the
> midterm election this year, the Antidemocrats are going to triumph.
> Unemployment is the lowest it's been in years and the dollar is the
> strongest it's been in a generation, but gas prices are high and even
> though neither the president nor the Congress has much influence over that
> they are the ones in power so they are the ones who are going to get blamed.
>
> And to many people, and to all Republicans, knocking a dollar off the
> price of a gallon of gas is more important than the US Constitution, and
> more important than the right to travel and the right to have autonomy over
> your own body, in particular the right to control your own womb if you have
> one, and more important than the right to put any chemical you wish into
> your body to relieve chronic excruciating unrelenting white hot pain if you
> are dying. And Republicans believe low gas prices are more important than
> the most important right of all, the right to die if you wish to die.
>
> I have to admit Biden is not totally blameless for the current high rate
> of inflation, on the very first day of his presidency he should've
> eliminated by Executive Order all the Trump era tariffs, which are paid for
> by Americans not by foreign countries, but for some reason that makes no
> economic sense some of them are still in place.
>
>
> *> It will generate reverse-action against Bible Belt governors,
> attorneys, politicians. *
>
>
> If only it were that simple and that logical! Roy Moore, a Bible thumping
> judge in Alabama, the heart of the Bible Belt, came within a hair's breadth
> of becoming a US Senator even though convincing evidence was available that
> he was a pedophile. This happened for two reasons:
>
> 1) On the ballot he had a "R" next to his name not a "D".
> 2) He may have been a pedophile but he was a Bible thumping pedophile, and
> that makes all the difference.
>
>
> I will close by asking you 3 questions.
>
> 1) Mr. Spudboy, do you think you should have the right to travel?
>
> 2) Being "conservative" means you wanna keep on doing things the way
> they've always been done, so I understand why conservatives oppose the
> Democrats when they try to increase taxes on the super ultra mega rich and
> why conservatives want to keep them very low as they've always been, but
> what is "conservative" about radically changing the way we've handled
> abortions for the last half century?
>
> 3) What exactly are conservatives trying to conserve?
>
>
>
> ngc
>
> h
>

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Re: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

What you state IS valid JC, however like all good Republicans I will throw a 
couple of curve balls to consider. 1. For whatever reason, the masses, the 
Narod, are not in the streets demanding what Canada has. Mass Ignorance?
2. Our crime rates and murders effect the statistics. The Black community, the 
mass intake of Chinese Fentanyl from across the border (deaths from overdoses), 
unhealthy lifestyles Unlike the Nordic Kabouters in Holland do not partake 
of.But instead, they are riding bikes, walking, boating, etc. The couch potato 
is an American invention, not European. 

3. Does illegal immigration skew the statistics? Maybe no, maybe yes. It then 
becomes who gets statistically sampled? 
My question would be what would be the best way to pay for a national medical 
service? For this, I would seek out the estimates on the impact, from multiple 
economists. Maybe our national life average would climb, but what if it 
doesn't? Would we then disband a national medical service? 
My question is what is the mission statement of a new national med service? The 
measurable goal is.?  

-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
Cc: meekerbr...@gmail.com 
Sent: Sun, Jul 17, 2022 8:36 am
Subject: Re: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin 
Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 5:56 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:


> when I was on the ancient Kurzweil forum *(when it was a forum) I was 
>corrected by a Dutch guy who was a software engineer from there, who corrected 
>me, when I questioned why he mentioned that he had his companies health 
>insurance. Why he even needed that, since even I knew that The Netherlands has 
>public medicine for decades, already?? He told me, "My company cares about 
>their employees sick days and health that they paid for us not get sick." 
When I asked him what the mean't I was told me, "We don't have to wait to see a 
doctor." 

Well, everybody in the USA has to wait to see a doctor too, and many have to 
wait quite literally forever because they can not afford to see a doctor at all.

> Let us let them have the last word, unless you're afraid of hearing 
> "whataboudism" which is a way of refusing to compare and contrast, and thus 
> deliberately avoid facts that go against one's ideology.

OK let me give you some facts, that can cut through all the internal 
complications and just illustrates the inputs and the outputs:
The life expectancy of a person in the Netherlands in 2019 was 82.01 years. 
The life expectancy of a person in the USA in 2019 was 78.79 years. 
The per capita healthcare costs in the Netherlands in 2019 was $5,335. 
The per capita healthcare costs in the USA in 2019 was $12,530. 
Unless you deliberately avoid these facts because they go against your ideology 
only one conclusion is possible, the healthcare system in the USA is 
DRAMATICALLY more inefficient than the healthcare system in the Netherlands. 
For decades the Democrats have tried to improve the ridiculous healthcare 
system in the USA and for decades the Antidemocrats have opposed all attempts 
to do so. And the Antidemocrats won.
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Re: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

I am good with statistics, however, when we encounter people saying the 
opposite, and the people saying the opposite are NOT my team, but yours, then 
it makes sense to dig further. I am believing that it is not just the illusion 
of the masses, but something real. 


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On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 3:01 AM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:


>  People across demographic lines are more and more worried about increasing 
> crime rates.

Yes I agree , but that fact tells you nothing about whether or not crime rates 
are in fact increasing.  
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Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

The last question first (3) I am a conservative in the sense of being a 
nationalist because it seems to work better than the globalism, and the rule of 
corporations which bribe politicians with campaign donations. More of a 
Bourgeoise fanatic, because me no trust da billionaires, even admirable ones. 
Also do note that your conservative question was once asked by Pat Buchanan. 
Buchanan once wanted Bush the Elder not to do Desert Storm because, "Iraq is 
just like North Korea!"I think we should preserve the USA, till humans can 
migrate in great numbers to the Solar System. But that's jus me. 
Question 2 is sort of covered by (3). If the US splits apart, I think my team 
should start of building cooperatives to out compete the Wall Street douches, 
(manufacturing) as in a new/old, re-industrialization project. Can we compete 
with robot labor? Yes, but we could also buy robots as well. 
Yes, I am opposed to the Holy Rollers restricting travel for any reason.  





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Sent: Sun, Jul 17, 2022 7:57 am
Subject: Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 6:22 PM  wrote:


> John, be thankful for answered prayers. Because, the behavior of my team, 
> conservatives, it will help your team out at the polls in 22 & 24.

 I hope you're right but I don't think you are. 2024 is too far in the future 
to make political predictions that are worth a damn, but I think the Democrats 
are gonna lose control of both the House and the Senate in the midterm election 
this year, the Antidemocrats are going to triumph. Unemployment is the lowest 
it's been in years and the dollar is the strongest it's been in a generation, 
but gas prices are high and even though neither the president nor the Congress 
has much influence over that they are the ones in power so they are the ones 
who are going to get blamed.
And to many people, and to all Republicans, knocking a dollar off the price of 
a gallon of gas is more important than the US Constitution, and more important 
than the right to travel and the right to have autonomy over your own body, in 
particular the right to control your own womb if you have one, and more 
important than the right to put any chemical you wish into your body to relieve 
chronic excruciating unrelenting white hot pain if you are dying. And 
Republicans believe low gas prices are more important than the most important 
right of all, the right to die if you wish to die.
I have to admit Biden is not totally blameless for the current high rate of 
inflation, on the very first day of his presidency he should've eliminated by 
Executive Order all the Trump era tariffs, which are paid for by Americans not 
by foreign countries, but for some reason that makes no economic sense some of 
them are still in place.
   

> It will generate reverse-action against Bible Belt governors, attorneys, 
> politicians. 

If only it were that simple and that logical! Roy Moore, a Bible thumping judge 
in Alabama, the heart of the Bible Belt, came within a hair's breadth of 
becoming a US Senator even though convincing evidence was available that he was 
a pedophile. This happened for two reasons: 
1) On the ballot he had a "R" next to his name not a "D".2) He may have been a 
pedophile but he was a Bible thumping pedophile, and that makes all the 
difference. 

I will close by asking you 3 questions. 
1) Mr. Spudboy, do you think you should have the right to travel? 
2) Being "conservative" means you wanna keep on doing things the way they've 
always been done, so I understand why conservatives oppose the Democrats when 
they try to increase taxes on the super ultra mega rich and why conservatives 
want to keep them very low as they've always been, but what is "conservative" 
about radically changing the way we've handled abortions for the last half 
century? 
3) What exactly are conservatives trying to conserve? 
 John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Agreed, but I for one am interested in finding out the facts so I can 
comprehend what is true. Team loyalty is necessary, but not if the policies 
lead us off a cliff. 


-Original Message-
From: Brent Meeker 
To: spudboy...@aol.com; everything-list@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sun, Jul 17, 2022 1:39 pm
Subject: Re: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin 
Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

 
 
 On 7/17/2022 12:01 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
  
 I'd rather debate, but first gather the information up and see what is true?  
 
 That's not how debate works.  Your team gets assigned a position and you 
defend it.
 
 
 LC contends using his source, that there has been no real rise in violent 
crimes. I countered this by presenting local, loyal to the Democratic Party 
news sources. People across demographic lines are more and more worried about 
increasing crime rates.  
 
 People are saying this a a little lie to be added on to  the Big Lie.
 
 
 The is going to be a 22 election factor. How big, I will let you ponder?  
  
 
 Why would I bother?
 
 Brent
 
 
  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Brent Meeker 
 To: spudboy...@aol.com; everything-list@googlegroups.com 

 Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2022 8:16 pm
 Subject: Re: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin 
Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate
 
 
  
  On 7/16/2022 2:55 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
  > Let us let them have the last word, unless you're afraid of hearing 
  > "whataboudism" which is a way of refusing to compare and contrast, and 
  > thus deliberately avoid facts that go against one's ideology. You know 
  > what ideology is, it's like a religion!
  
  No.  It's a way of deflecting criticism saying "They do something bad 
  too."  A tactic beloved of those who think only in terms of "their team" 
  and debate.
  
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FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[Philip Benjamin]

general_the...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral 
College
[Roland Cichowski]
"As I have already said about dead matter, aseity does not give rise to it. It 
may give rise to an illusion that dead matter exists  if I believe dead 
matter is an illusion and does not exist. How can you then pose a question to 
me that Marxists prefer one option that does not exist and Augustinian 
civilisations prefer the other option, which is; (something that does not 
exist), can give rise to life.. "
[Philip Benjamin]
   Aseity is a quality of something that ontologically exists, which 
solves the problem of infinite regress. Consciousness is also an attribute of 
existence with no creative powers.  Sense perception is an experience resulting 
from objectively measurable (not illusionary) observations. No existence, no 
experience. That is well settled as regards the requirements of law of 
noncontradiction and law of causality, as you have observed in your previous 
post. No objectivity, no science. That is the observable difference in outcomes 
of illusionary worldviews of Yogis and rishis, and  objective world views of 
reality.  Science is then an effect, not cause, of rational thinking.
   Augustinian consciousness is an awakened consciousness. Marxist 
consciousness is a natural consciousness. No bias or prejudice can fail to note 
the difference in outcomes of the tw, so much so, that (stated many times 
afore) the pagan Marxist Joseph Stalin had to coin the term "American 
Exceptionalism" . America is not the product of yoga, occultism, Cabbala, 
Talmud, Tao, TM, Jungian Sorcery, Maya thinking, New Age etc. Rather, this 
Non-Sovereign Republic of Sovereign States, resulted from the "Two Great 
Awakenings", first led by the prodigious founder-President of Princeton U and 
the other led by President of Yale U. These are not illusions, but historical 
and historic events. It will be very unwise and perilous for politicians and 
jurists groomed by WAMP-the-Ingrate to ignore those FACTS and indoctrinate 
every level of Civil and Military life with Socialist-Fascist-Marxist (SOFAMA) 
pagan globalism in the once Augustinian objective West in general and twice 
awakened factual America in particular.
   I have to skip the definitions of "Awakening", "pagan", "WAMP" etc.
Philip Benjamin

From: general_the...@googlegroups.com 
mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Roland Cichowski
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:43 AM
To: general_the...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral 
College

Hi, Philip.
[Philip Benjamin]That is a more rational approach. Only a degree of rationality 
can be accomplished in such matters.

[Philip Benjamin] What is more rational? Aseity of dead matter producing life.

[Roland] I'm not sure if these statements are rational or not but I thought I 
gave good reason in past posts, why. I do not believe that any evidence can be 
found for the existence of what you call dead matter. I am presuming that by 
dead matter that you are referring to what most people would call the physical 
or material universe.

Our understanding of how our senses might work in this physical reality does 
not work when we investigate it. If such a physical universe exists in the way 
you seem to think it does, then what we experience of it is unlikely to be 
anything like what it really is. This is because our sensory equipment, which 
you seem to presume to be part of this physical universe, do not transmit to us 
what this physical reality is really like. In this sense what we experience is 
an illusion representing something unknown, created by consciousness, to 
realise this is the real awakening.

Given this situation I agree it is not rational to believe that dead (Physical) 
matter can be producing life. I am not completely sure how you see a connection 
between the principle of aseity and the appearance of dead matter. Aseity is a 
principle it is not physical in any way. So the idea that it gives rise to 
physical or dead matter seems to be a non-starter to me. [physical or dead 
matter is an illusion produced by consciousness. Perhaps that is the reason 
that as you suggest the statement does not appear to be rational.

[Philip Benjamin] ...or Aseity of LIFE creating dead matter and life forms?

[Roland] It is not clear to me what you mean by aseity of Life.

As I have already said about dead matter, aseity does not give rise to it. It 
may give rise to an illusion that dead matter exists and so suggests that life 
exists as an extension of it but this is not the true state of reality. So the 
only way I can understand your point is that you believe that dead matter 
exists and that it gives rise to life forms. Well if I believe dead matter does 
not exist in the real state of 

Re: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

[Lawrence Crowell]

[image: saving humanity and profit.jpg]
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 5:11:49 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

> We might through better engineering curtail much of this 6th extinction. 
> For me, I like the Snowball Earth  theory which indicated that at least 150 
> million years before the Reptiles (not the Dinos) Earth was a cold ball in 
> space because of so much plankton spewing out oxygen after gobbling up CO2 
> in the atmosphere that things sorta froze. 
>
>  
> https://www.colorado.edu/today/2021/07/28/icy-waters-snowball-earth-may-have-spurred-early-organisms-grow-bigger
>
> Below is an artist's depiction of life emerging from Snowball Earth. Yep! 
> Its all there. Coniferous plants (obviously ferns), the first deciduous 
> flowering plants, and, um, some cold guy. 
>
> [image: Frozen' Is Now the No. 1 Animated Film of All Time | Time]
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lawrence Crowell 
> To: Everything List 
> Sent: Fri, Jul 15, 2022 7:19 pm
> Subject: Re: FW: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As 
> Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate
>
> That last time Earth face this was the end of the Permian. The Siberian 
> flats, a massive diatreme of volcanos poured lava into massive peat bogs or 
> lignite material and burned them. This resulted in a massive release of 
> CO_2, which is increasingly thought to be the cause of the Permian 
> extinction. We human by burning buried hydrocarbons and carbon are 
> engineering much the same sort of event. The carbon cycle is in some sort 
> of homeostasis that is rapidly impacted by a huge increase in CO_2. In fact 
> we human are probably far more rapid than the Siberian flats volcanos. 
> There is a time delay of response. We may by our activities be engineering 
> the 6th mass extinction.  
>
> LC
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 4:28:54 PM UTC-5 meeke...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The Earth didn't survive 5000yrs *WITH* 383e12 tons of CO2, because 
> there's a carbon cycle in which CO2 gets split and carbon gets sequestered 
> in soil, plants, and rocks.  And what the hell would "recorded history" 
> have to do with it.  Why not just multiply by 14 billion years if you just 
> want a big number completely irrelevant to CO2 in the atmosphere.  Here was 
> the flow estimated in 2001.  The point is the system, however much 
> vulcanism, was in equilibrium for those 5000yr before the industrial 
> revolution.
>
>
>
> On 7/15/2022 12:15 PM, Philip Benjamin wrote:
>
> [*Philip Benjamin*]
>  A couple more examples of pseudoscience from “Un-awakened 
> consciousness”(UC):
> 1. Prof. Khiara Bridges calls Sen. Josh Hawley's questions about male 
> pregnancy 'transphobic'.
> 2. “Microsoft co-founder laments the direction the world is going and 
> makes big promises to change the game… Pandemic, Ukraine war, climate 
> change (The damage from climate change is already worse than most models 
> predicted) The U.S. has taken a huge step backwards for gender equality and 
> women’s health…”
> *Philip Benjamin*
> *Nonconformist to Socialist Fascist Marxist** (**SOFAMA**) **pagan 
> globalism. *
>CC. Prof. Khiara Bridges
> ~~
>About 150 years (50 years past & 100 years future) of fossil fuel 
> use equals a meager ~ 5.1 trillion tons of CO2 (from World Bank data, see 
> below). An estimated 1,050 wildfires worldwide produced global CO2 
> emissions of 76 billion tons in 2021. There are at least 5000 years of 
> recorded history, i.e 76 billions X 5,000 = 380 trillion tons of CO2. Add 
> to it ~ 3.2 trillion tons for the same period from volcanic eruptions (see 
> below), thus totaling 383.2 trillions of CO2. The earth did survive  at 
> least for 5000 years, with 383 trillion tons of CO2!! 
>  
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/savingandinvesting/a-sad-bill-gates-makes-a-huge-announcement/
>  
> Billionaire Microsoft co-founder laments the direction the world is going 
> and makes big promises to change the game… Pandemic, Ukraine war, climate 
> change (The damage from climate change is already worse than most models 
> predicted) The U.S. has taken a huge step backwards for gender equality and 
> women’s health…
>
> https://nypost.com/2022/07/12/sen-hawley-called-transphobic-in-heated-exchange-with-woke-prof-over-pregnancy/
>   
> Law professor Khiara Bridges calls Sen. Josh Hawley's questions about 
> pregnancy 'transphobic'
>   Sen. Josh Hawley got into a heated exchange with a Berkeley law 
> professor about her use of the phrase “people with a capacity for 
> pregnancy​” during a Senate hearing about abortion.
> “We can recognize that this impacts women while also recognizing that it 
> impacts other groups, those things are not mutually exclusive, Sen. 
> Hawley,” said Bridges, who was testifying as an expert in race and 
> reproductive rights.
> The senator then asked what she believed was the “core of this right.”
> 

Re: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

[John Clark]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 3:01 AM spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>  *People across demographic lines are more and more worried about
> increasing crime rates.*


Yes I agree , but that fact tells you nothing about whether or not crime
rates are in fact increasing.

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Re: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

[Brent Meeker]

On 7/17/2022 12:01 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
I'd rather debate, but first gather the information up and see what is 
true?


That's not how debate works.  Your team gets assigned a position and you 
defend it.


LC contends using his source, that there has been no real rise in 
violent crimes. I countered this by presenting local, loyal to the 
Democratic Party news sources. People across demographic lines are 
more and more worried about increasing crime rates.


People are saying this a a little lie to be added on to  the Big Lie.


The is going to be a 22 election factor. How big, I will let you ponder?


Why would I bother?

Brent




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Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2022 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As 
Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate




On 7/16/2022 2:55 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
> Let us let them have the last word, unless you're afraid of hearing
> "whataboudism" which is a way of refusing to compare and contrast, and
> thus deliberately avoid facts that go against one's ideology. You know
> what ideology is, it's like a religion!

No.  It's a way of deflecting criticism saying "They do something bad
too."  A tactic beloved of those who think only in terms of "their team"
and debate.

Brent

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Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

[Lawrence Crowell]

On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 3:08:30 AM UTC-5 telmo wrote:

>
>
> Am So, 17. Jul 2022, um 08:52, schrieb spudboy100 via Everything List:
>
> I will use another democratic party media source as my contention that 
> violent crime has risen.  
> Denver 7 (one of yours LC)
>
> https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/americas-cities-are-seeing-drastic-rises-in-violent-crime
>
> and, with other local dem sources I will continue-
>
> https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/7/15/23216341/violent-crime-soared-arrests-historic-lows-chicago-police-department-david-brown-lori-lightfoot
>
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/us-city-violent-crime-rate-perception/661337/
>
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/07/16/crime-maryland-governor-race/
>
> So, everybody, even in the hoods are wrong about violent crime, but white 
> liberals are correct because, people are racist, and racism, and bad, and 
> Trump too! On this one, LC you need to be selling your fellow democratic 
> voters say, the UAW, rather than me. 
>
>
> Yes, fuck official statistics! Let us rely instead on a bunch of 
> cherry-picked news items that mention local perceptions of increase in 
> violent crime without providing any evidence that this is the case. And let 
> us connect all this to the only thing that matters: political tribalism.
>
> Telmo
>

That was why I posted the 538 article. That is usually pretty credible.

Biden and the dems are going to get snagged on the fuel prices in 2022 
elections. Never mind it has little to do with policies, and much to do 
with supply chain failures with the pandemic and now the Russo-Ukraine war. 
As per below with the decision to stop the pipeline, even if that were 
running at full capacity now, which would not be possible, it would have 
small impact on the price of oil. The price of oil is set on an 
international market scale, not regionally or nationally. This is a mantra 
that keeps going, drill-baby-drill, and keeps unthinking people going to 
the polls to pull the GOP lever. 

To be honest this is why I really question whether humanity can survive. We 
need to get off the carbon energy cycle, and this summer is a serious 
scorcher. But, people will not think and by the time we really take action 
it will probably be too late. I even suspect that if humanity is this 
greedy and stupid then maybe it is all good riddance to bad rubbish.

LC

 

>
> On energy policy Joey did what liberals around the world did with 
> renewables, kicked the can down the road to 2050 for the glorious day of 
> netzero. Joey used the Bureau of Land Management via Ex orders to halt 
> drilling. You don't think Vlad didn't see this and decided not to take 
> advantage?* Because Joey and Merkel were uncaring fools *doesn't mean 
> everyone is so ideologically blind. Joey had both the senate and the house 
> and did jack shit. I don't think even in this era of shortages Joey is 
> willing in an emergency, to allow drilling because, liberals want to save 
> the earth, and nuclear war with Putin is surely no existential threat to us 
> now, is it?? No, of course not!
>
> https://www.lowellsun.com/2022/07/11/krikorian-president-biden-makes-good-on-his-promises-no-seriously/
> Refute Kerkorian's facts please?
>
> The bottom line is that unless you get El Schmucko to modify his policies 
> in a major way, November will not be a good time to be a loyal Democrat.  
> One glint of light for your team LC, is the cancellation of Roe v Wade, 
> which will galvanize many women. We'll see. 
>
> On what I'd reco for energy, nobody asked. The sad thing is when the 
> Liberals renewables are always a day late and a dollar short with actually 
> installing these in read this, sufficient amounts, all we humans have is 
> drill, baby, drill. What else are you guys offering besides vaporware? 
>
> By the way, in the UK they do wind farms off the coast of Scotland, and 
> the Australians are very big into EV's and Tesla roofs and PowerWalls, 
> hint-hint. Try to get Joey's attention maybe, rather than just defend him? 
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lawrence Crowell 
> To: Everything List 
> Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2022 6:49 pm
> Subject: Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.
>
>
> When it comes to crime rising please read: 
>
>
> https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/many-americans-are-convinced-crime-is-rising-in-the-u-s-theyre-wrong/
>
> As for inflation that was starting to take off 2 years ago. In the fall of 
> 2020 the surge in prices started. This was because supply chain bottlenecks 
> had appeared that summer, remember t'Rump was president then, and odd 
> shortages began to occur. Now, with the Russian invasion of Ukraine the 
> bottlenecks in fuel and food have worsened. As for energy policy, yeah I 
> know that to you people anything beside drill baby drill is considered dumb.
>
> LC
>
>
> On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 5:22:50 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:
>
> John, be thankful 

Re: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

[John Clark]

On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 5:56 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:


> *> when I was on the ancient Kurzweil forum *(when it was a forum) I was
> corrected by a Dutch guy who was a software engineer from there, who
> corrected me, when I questioned why he mentioned that he had his companies
> health insurance. Why he even needed that, since even I knew that The
> Netherlands has public medicine for decades, already?? He told me, "My
> company cares about their employees sick days and health that they paid for
> us not get sick." When I asked him what the mean't I was told me, "We don't
> have to wait to see a doctor." *


Well, everybody in the USA has to wait to see a doctor too, and many have
to wait quite literally forever because they can not afford to see a doctor
at all.

*> Let us let them have the last word, unless you're afraid of hearing
> "whataboudism" which is a way of refusing to compare and contrast, and thus
> deliberately avoid facts that go against one's ideology.*


OK let me give you some facts, that can cut through all the internal
complications and just illustrates the inputs and the outputs:
The life expectancy of a person in the Netherlands in 2019 was 82.01 years.
The life expectancy of a person in the USA in 2019 was 78.79 years.
The per capita healthcare costs in the Netherlands in 2019 was $5,335.
The per capita healthcare costs in the USA in 2019 was $12,530.
Unless you deliberately avoid these facts because they go against your
ideology only one conclusion is possible, the healthcare system in the USA
is *DRAMATICALLY* more inefficient than the healthcare system in the
Netherlands. For decades the Democrats have tried to improve the ridiculous
healthcare system in the USA and for decades the Antidemocrats have opposed
all attempts to do so. And the Antidemocrats won.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

[John Clark]

On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 6:22 PM  wrote:

*> John, be thankful for answered prayers. Because, the behavior of my
> team, conservatives, it will help your team out at the polls in 22 & 24.*
>


I hope you're right but I don't think you are. 2024 is too far in the
future to make political predictions that are worth a damn, but I think the
Democrats are gonna lose control of both the House and the Senate in the
midterm election this year, the Antidemocrats are going to triumph.
Unemployment is the lowest it's been in years and the dollar is the
strongest it's been in a generation, but gas prices are high and even
though neither the president nor the Congress has much influence over that
they are the ones in power so they are the ones who are going to get blamed.

And to many people, and to all Republicans, knocking a dollar off the price
of a gallon of gas is more important than the US Constitution, and more
important than the right to travel and the right to have autonomy over your
own body, in particular the right to control your own womb if you have one,
and more important than the right to put any chemical you wish into your
body to relieve chronic excruciating unrelenting white hot pain if you are
dying. And Republicans believe low gas prices are more important than the
most important right of all, the right to die if you wish to die.

I have to admit Biden is not totally blameless for the current high rate of
inflation, on the very first day of his presidency he should've eliminated
by Executive Order all the Trump era tariffs, which are paid for by
Americans not by foreign countries, but for some reason that makes no
economic sense some of them are still in place.


> *> It will generate reverse-action against Bible Belt governors,
> attorneys, politicians. *


If only it were that simple and that logical! Roy Moore, a Bible thumping
judge in Alabama, the heart of the Bible Belt, came within a hair's breadth
of becoming a US Senator even though convincing evidence was available that
he was a pedophile. This happened for two reasons:

1) On the ballot he had a "R" next to his name not a "D".
2) He may have been a pedophile but he was a Bible thumping pedophile, and
that makes all the difference.


I will close by asking you 3 questions.

1) Mr. Spudboy, do you think you should have the right to travel?

2) Being "conservative" means you wanna keep on doing things the way
they've always been done, so I understand why conservatives oppose the
Democrats when they try to increase taxes on the super ultra mega rich and
why conservatives want to keep them very low as they've always been, but
what is "conservative" about radically changing the way we've handled
abortions for the last half century?

3) What exactly are conservatives trying to conserve?

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis


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Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

[Telmo Menezes]

Am So, 17. Jul 2022, um 08:52, schrieb spudboy100 via Everything List:
> I will use another democratic party media source as my contention that 
> violent crime has risen.  
> Denver 7 (one of yours LC)
> https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/americas-cities-are-seeing-drastic-rises-in-violent-crime
> 
> and, with other local dem sources I will continue-
> https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/7/15/23216341/violent-crime-soared-arrests-historic-lows-chicago-police-department-david-brown-lori-lightfoot
> 
> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/us-city-violent-crime-rate-perception/661337/
> 
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/07/16/crime-maryland-governor-race/
> 
> So, everybody, even in the hoods are wrong about violent crime, but white 
> liberals are correct because, people are racist, and racism, and bad, and 
> Trump too! On this one, LC you need to be selling your fellow democratic 
> voters say, the UAW, rather than me. 

Yes, fuck official statistics! Let us rely instead on a bunch of cherry-picked 
news items that mention local perceptions of increase in violent crime without 
providing any evidence that this is the case. And let us connect all this to 
the only thing that matters: political tribalism.

Telmo

> On energy policy Joey did what liberals around the world did with renewables, 
> kicked the can down the road to 2050 for the glorious day of netzero. Joey 
> used the Bureau of Land Management via Ex orders to halt drilling. You don't 
> think Vlad didn't see this and decided not to take advantage?* Because Joey 
> and Merkel were uncaring fools *doesn't mean everyone is so ideologically 
> blind. Joey had both the senate and the house and did jack shit. I don't 
> think even in this era of shortages Joey is willing in an emergency, to allow 
> drilling because, liberals want to save the earth, and nuclear war with Putin 
> is surely no existential threat to us now, is it?? No, of course not!
> https://www.lowellsun.com/2022/07/11/krikorian-president-biden-makes-good-on-his-promises-no-seriously/
> Refute Kerkorian's facts please?
> 
> The bottom line is that unless you get El Schmucko to modify his policies in 
> a major way, November will not be a good time to be a loyal Democrat.  One 
> glint of light for your team LC, is the cancellation of Roe v Wade, which 
> will galvanize many women. We'll see. 
> 
> On what I'd reco for energy, nobody asked. The sad thing is when the Liberals 
> renewables are always a day late and a dollar short with actually installing 
> these in read this, sufficient amounts, all we humans have is drill, baby, 
> drill. What else are you guys offering besides vaporware? 
> 
> By the way, in the UK they do wind farms off the coast of Scotland, and the 
> Australians are very big into EV's and Tesla roofs and PowerWalls, hint-hint. 
> Try to get Joey's attention maybe, rather than just defend him? 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Lawrence Crowell 
> To: Everything List 
> Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2022 6:49 pm
> Subject: Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.
> 
> 
> When it comes to crime rising please read: 
> 
> https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/many-americans-are-convinced-crime-is-rising-in-the-u-s-theyre-wrong/
> 
> As for inflation that was starting to take off 2 years ago. In the fall of 
> 2020 the surge in prices started. This was because supply chain bottlenecks 
> had appeared that summer, remember t'Rump was president then, and odd 
> shortages began to occur. Now, with the Russian invasion of Ukraine the 
> bottlenecks in fuel and food have worsened. As for energy policy, yeah I know 
> that to you people anything beside drill baby drill is considered dumb.
> 
> LC
> 
> 
> On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 5:22:50 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:
>> John, be thankful for answered prayers. Because, the behavior of my team, 
>> conservatives, it will help your team out at the polls in 22 & 24. Consider, 
>> that it will help you Democrats limit damage from your voters. It will 
>> energize, and mobilize your voter base. It will be a thing to decry against 
>> us, right? Thus, for this reason alone, it will be a stop-loss on voters 
>> hating-on Joey, and his inflation, crime rise, energy dumbness, etc, that 
>> will cost votes. Savvy? It will generate reverse-action against Bible Belt 
>> governors, attorneys, politicians.  
>> 
>> I mean, Team Dem, would have given me(had I been da boss) a platter full of 
>> election wins, before this overturn. 
>> 
>> In this way, Young Padawan, Balance has returned to the force, or in Our 
>> case, The Farce. 
>> 
>> Can I hear an amen from the Atheists' Choir??
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: John Clark 
>> To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
>> Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2022 8:18 am
>> Subject: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.
>> 
>> The overturn of Roe v Wade by Trump's stooges on the Supreme Court has 

Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

I am thinking this also is true, or I am worried that it is true. The public 
response will be to energize the Democratic Party base like nothing else since 
Trumpy left office. In this manner, you may retain the House and the Senate. 
Things are going to be that volatile. Because it will be a gift to your team if 
young women who have had abortions are seen as persecuted. 
It'd be some significant win for you guys if and when we do. We'd get Phil's 
vote, that's for damn sure! 


-Original Message-
From: Brent Meeker 
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2022 8:43 pm
Subject: Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

 Gov Bobby Joe is planning on arresting and charging the mother who went out of 
state for an abortion (and anyone who helped her) when she returns to the state.
 
 Brent
 
 On 7/16/2022 3:43 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
  
 
There is also, the literal offshoring of abortion clinics say beyond the legal 
limit of either the coastal states, nor, will Joey or Kamala use the US Coast 
Guard to interdict any ships. Now ask yourselves if Governor, Bobby Joe, will 
send out patrol boats, National Guard or police to do this? Well, I could see 
this going to court on the 4th amendment for illegal search and seizure? Am I a 
lawyer, no. But its a thought.  
  I think before the overturn of Roe v Wade, we had it all sewn up 
(non-surgical reference here) but here it gets handed back to your teams and 
energizes your female base. And, you guys say there' no God... 
  "Man Plans and God Laughs." (Jew thang) 
 
 Spud, the Apostle with the Epistle 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Lawrence Crowell 
 To: Everything List 
 Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2022 9:24 am
 Subject: Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.
 
  Yes, this has been a growing issue. This also points to the issue of whether 
a person lives in a state where something is legal, but not in another, and if 
that person travels through that other state whether they can be arrested. This 
has the potential to turn this country into a nightmare. There is also 
political action to target birth control and other things.  
  LC 
   On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 7:19:09 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  The overturn of Roe v Wade by Trump's stooges on the Supreme Court has 
emboldened Republicans (a.k.a. anti-Democrats) to make further restrictions on 
the rights of individuals, now they want to restrict the right to travel too. 
Peter Breen, a member of the Anti-democratic Party of Missouri, wants 
legislation that will enable Missouri police to arrest anybody in the state 
that broke state law even if the act was committed in another state in which 
that activity was legal; Breen says “Just because you jump across a state line 
doesn’t mean your home state doesn’t have jurisdiction, it’s not a free 
abortion card when you drive across the state line.”   
  Anti-democrats have been pushing hard for similar legislation in Texas, 
Oklahoma, Arkansas, South Dakota and in virtually every state that has a 
legislature controlled by Anti-democrats. It would not surprise me in the least 
if in the near future the Supreme Court, which is full of judges appointed by 
Anti-democratic presidents, decrees that even though such laws restrict 
interstate commerce, which is guaranteed by the Constitution, those laws are 
nevertheless 100% constitutional. It sort of reminds me of the court's Dred 
Scott decision of 1857 which said it's legal for White people in slave states 
to kidnap Black people in free states and drag them back into a slave state.  
And that decision put the nation on the road to the Civil War. 
  Despite this extreme anti-libertarian attitude members of the Libertarian 
Party have for over a decade made it very clear that they prefer Anti-democrats 
more than Democrats, and that's why I no longer feel comfortable calling myself 
a libertarian. 
  
   Antiabortion lawmakers want to block patients from crossing state lines 
  Roe’s gone. Now antiabortion lawmakers want more. 
    John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis h2n 
  

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Re: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

I'd rather debate, but first gather the information up and see what is true? LC 
contends using his source, that there has been no real rise in violent crimes. 
I countered this by presenting local, loyal to the Democratic Party news 
sources. People across demographic lines are more and more worried about 
increasing crime rates. The is going to be a 22 election factor. How big, I 
will let you ponder?  


-Original Message-
From: Brent Meeker 
To: spudboy...@aol.com; everything-list@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2022 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin 
Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate



On 7/16/2022 2:55 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
> Let us let them have the last word, unless you're afraid of hearing 
> "whataboudism" which is a way of refusing to compare and contrast, and 
> thus deliberately avoid facts that go against one's ideology. You know 
> what ideology is, it's like a religion!

No.  It's a way of deflecting criticism saying "They do something bad 
too."  A tactic beloved of those who think only in terms of "their team" 
and debate.

Brent

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Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

This is true. Many are just out for themselves and that doesn't include the 
middle class either. 


-Original Message-
From: Brent Meeker 
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2022 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

You don't have team anymore.  All conservatives have either sworn off 
politics or kissed Trump's ass.

Brent

On 7/16/2022 3:22 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
> John, be thankful for answered prayers. Because, the behavior of my 
> team, conservatives,

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Re: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Last I checked we all do something bad. But if you simply wish to hush up a 
counter example that ain't science, that's ideology, and for me, it ain't going 
to work. So yeah, let us compare all things and the reasons why. 
Your voters,whether you like it or not already are. Gasoline prices for 
instance, as a topic. 


-Original Message-
From: Brent Meeker 
To: spudboy...@aol.com; everything-list@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2022 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin 
Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate



On 7/16/2022 2:55 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
> Let us let them have the last word, unless you're afraid of hearing 
> "whataboudism" which is a way of refusing to compare and contrast, and 
> thus deliberately avoid facts that go against one's ideology. You know 
> what ideology is, it's like a religion!

No.  It's a way of deflecting criticism saying "They do something bad 
too."  A tactic beloved of those who think only in terms of "their team" 
and debate.

Brent

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Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

I will use another democratic party media source as my contention that violent 
crime has risen. Denver 7 (one of yours 
LC)https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/americas-cities-are-seeing-drastic-rises-in-violent-crime

and, with other local dem sources I will 
continue-https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/7/15/23216341/violent-crime-soared-arrests-historic-lows-chicago-police-department-david-brown-lori-lightfoot
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/us-city-violent-crime-rate-perception/661337/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/07/16/crime-maryland-governor-race/
So, everybody, even in the hoods are wrong about violent crime, but white 
liberals are correct because, people are racist, and racism, and bad, and Trump 
too! On this one, LC you need to be selling your fellow democratic voters say, 
the UAW, rather than me. 
On energy policy Joey did what liberals around the world did with renewables, 
kicked the can down the road to 2050 for the glorious day of netzero. Joey used 
the Bureau of Land Management via Ex orders to halt drilling. You don't think 
Vlad didn't see this and decided not to take advantage? Because Joey and Merkel 
were uncaring fools doesn't mean everyone is so ideologically blind. Joey had 
both the senate and the house and did jack shit. I don't think even in this era 
of shortages Joey is willing in an emergency, to allow drilling because, 
liberals want to save the earth, and nuclear war with Putin is surely no 
existential threat to us now, is it?? No, of course 
not!https://www.lowellsun.com/2022/07/11/krikorian-president-biden-makes-good-on-his-promises-no-seriously/
Refute Kerkorian's facts please?
The bottom line is that unless you get El Schmucko to modify his policies in a 
major way, November will not be a good time to be a loyal Democrat.  One glint 
of light for your team LC, is the cancellation of Roe v Wade, which will 
galvanize many women. We'll see. 
On what I'd reco for energy, nobody asked. The sad thing is when the Liberals 
renewables are always a day late and a dollar short with actually installing 
these in read this, sufficient amounts, all we humans have is drill, baby, 
drill. What else are you guys offering besides vaporware? 
By the way, in the UK they do wind farms off the coast of Scotland, and the 
Australians are very big into EV's and Tesla roofs and PowerWalls, hint-hint. 
Try to get Joey's attention maybe, rather than just defend him? 


-Original Message-
From: Lawrence Crowell 
To: Everything List 
Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2022 6:49 pm
Subject: Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

When it comes to crime rising please read:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/many-americans-are-convinced-crime-is-rising-in-the-u-s-theyre-wrong/
As for inflation that was starting to take off 2 years ago. In the fall of 2020 
the surge in prices started. This was because supply chain bottlenecks had 
appeared that summer, remember t'Rump was president then, and odd shortages 
began to occur. Now, with the Russian invasion of Ukraine the bottlenecks in 
fuel and food have worsened. As for energy policy, yeah I know that to you 
people anything beside drill baby drill is considered dumb.
LC

On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 5:22:50 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

John, be thankful for answered prayers. Because, the behavior of my team, 
conservatives, it will help your team out at the polls in 22 & 24. Consider, 
that it will help you Democrats limit damage from your voters. It will 
energize, and mobilize your voter base. It will be a thing to decry against us, 
right? Thus, for this reason alone, it will be a stop-loss on voters hating-on 
Joey, and his inflation, crime rise, energy dumbness, etc, that will cost 
votes. Savvy? It will generate reverse-action against Bible Belt governors, 
attorneys, politicians. 
I mean, Team Dem, would have given me(had I been da boss) a platter full of 
election wins, before this overturn. 
In this way, Young Padawan, Balance has returned to the force, or in Our case, 
The Farce. 
Can I hear an amen from the Atheists' Choir??





-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2022 8:18 am
Subject: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

The overturn of Roe v Wade by Trump's stooges on the Supreme Court has 
emboldened Republicans (a.k.a. anti-Democrats) to make further restrictions on 
the rights of individuals, now they want to restrict the right to travel too. 
Peter Breen, a member of the Anti-democratic Party of Missouri, wants 
legislation that will enable Missouri police to arrest anybody in the state 
that broke state law even if the act was committed in another state in which 
that activity was legal; Breen says “Just because you jump across a state line 
doesn’t mean your home state doesn’t have jurisdiction, it’s not a free 
abortion card when you drive across the state line.”  
Anti-democrats have