Re: Quantum Immortality considering Passing Out

2010-05-24 Thread awak

Thank you for the responses.


Brent Meeker-2 wrote:
 
 On 5/23/2010 9:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
 Hi Alex, hi Quentin,

 On 20 May 2010, at 15:19, Quentin Anciaux wrote:

 Hi,

 2010/5/20 awak mustata_a...@yahoo.com mailto:mustata_a...@yahoo.com


 1. Hello everyone! I'm Alex. I'm a civil engineer with an avid
 passion for
 Popular Science books. I'm not a scientist, nor a native English
 speaker, so
 please excuse my possible inconsistencies in both Scientific logic
 or
 English grammar. Again, sorry if this question has already been
 posed.

 2. I've just finished reading Russel Standish's Theory of
 Nothing so the
 following question, concerning Quantum Immortality, has its base
 in the
 information found in this book.

 3. From what i understand, Functionalism and Computationalism
 implies that
 my consciousness will follow all the world-lines where i live at
 a maximum
 age - this considering that there might be a limit to Quantum
 Immortality,
 even though this is in contradiction with the definition of this
 concept;
 for the purpose my question let's just say there might be some
 worlds where
 i live until 200 yrs.

 4. From Wikipedia : Syncope (pronounced /ˈsɪŋkəpi/) is the
 medical term for
 fainting, a sudden, usually temporary, loss of consciousness
 generally
 caused by insufficient oxygen in the brain either through
 cerebral hypoxia
 or through hypotension, but possibly for other reasons. Typical
 symptoms
 progress through dizziness, clamminess of the skin, a dimming of
 vision or
 greyout, possibly tinnitus, complete loss of vision, weakness of
 limbs to
 physical collapse. These symptoms falling short of complete
 collapse, or a
 fall down, may be referred to as a syncoptic episode.

 So i take this as evidence that consciousness is not continuous.

 5. MY QUESTION: Why is this possible, for me to pass out, losing my
 consciousness because of cerebral hypoxia, hypotension, or
 because i am hit
 by someone, considering that Quantum Immortality implies continuous
 consciousness? More to that, shouldn't we find ourselves in
 worlds where we
 don't sleep (where we are semi-conscious just like dolphins are
 because they
 sleep only with half of their brains) so we don't lose
 consciousness?



 Quantum immortality doesn't implies continuous consciousness... it 
 just implies that there will always be a next moment. So you can 
 passed out but you will eventually wake up.


 It is an eternally recurring question/objection to many-worlders. I 
 think Quentin is basically right, as far as we agree that QM is 
 correct and decoherence does its work. With DM (Digital mechanism, 
 actually used by QM) the math is awfully complex. All we can say is 
 that the measure one obeys a non boolean sort of quantum logic.
 IF DM and/or QM is correct the notion of normality for relatively 
 computable histories (the arithmetical world-lines) makes higher your 
 survive a cerebral hypoxia in the normal third person sharable common 
 reality. For irreversible damages, like with alzheimer, or with death, 
 the question of the first person indeterminacy is more complex. By a 
 'galois connection', you normally augment the possibilities, but there 
 may be jumps, amnesia, and it may depend eventually on what you 
 identify yourself with.
 
 But the jumps can be arbitrarily long.  So is a jump of 10^10yrs =
 death?
 
 Brent
 

 Those 'modern theological' questions are awfully difficult, but 
 computer science can translate them into questions (or set of 
 questions) of arithmetic (in the DM theory, that is assuming we are 
 digitalizable machine).

 Bruno

 http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/%7Emarchal/



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That is exactly what i was going to ask.
Forget me if i am wrong, but if entangled photons are located at a distance
so large, which would be so hard for us to imagine, that we might say that
they are distanced at infinity but they were still able to be entangled, by
the same token couldn't we say that that non-continuous consciousness or
these observers moments between

Quantum Immortality considering Passing Out

2010-05-20 Thread awak

1. Hello everyone! I'm Alex. I'm a civil engineer with an avid passion for
Popular Science books. I'm not a scientist, nor a native English speaker, so
please excuse my possible inconsistencies in both Scientific logic or
English grammar. Again, sorry if this question has already been posed. 

2. I've just finished reading Russel Standish's Theory of Nothing so the
following question, concerning Quantum Immortality, has its base in the
information found in this book.

3. From what i understand, Functionalism and Computationalism implies that
my consciousness will follow all the world-lines where i live at a maximum
age - this considering that there might be a limit to Quantum Immortality,
even though this is in contradiction with the definition of this concept;
for the purpose my question let's just say there might be some worlds where
i live until 200 yrs. 

4. From Wikipedia : Syncope (pronounced /ˈsɪŋkəpi/) is the medical term for
fainting, a sudden, usually temporary, loss of consciousness generally
caused by insufficient oxygen in the brain either through cerebral hypoxia
or through hypotension, but possibly for other reasons. Typical symptoms
progress through dizziness, clamminess of the skin, a dimming of vision or
greyout, possibly tinnitus, complete loss of vision, weakness of limbs to
physical collapse. These symptoms falling short of complete collapse, or a
fall down, may be referred to as a syncoptic episode.

So i take this as evidence that consciousness is not continuous.

5. MY QUESTION: Why is this possible, for me to pass out, losing my
consciousness because of cerebral hypoxia, hypotension, or because i am hit
by someone, considering that Quantum Immortality implies continuous
consciousness? More to that, shouldn't we find ourselves in worlds where we
don't sleep (where we are semi-conscious just like dolphins are because they
sleep only with half of their brains) so we don't lose consciousness?

With lots of admiration to the Everything List, that had a lot to do with
producing Russel's book, i salute you all!

Alex.
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