Re: How does comp explain interference?

2013-06-17 Thread Bruno Marchal


On 17 Jun 2013, at 04:39, Jason Resch wrote:

One question that comes to my mind is how computationalism might  
lead to the phenomenon of interference.  How is it that infinite  
programs going through a state can interfere?


Might interference be something local to the geography of this  
particular universe, or is it something comp predicts to be global  
for all physics for all observers?


That's the most important question, of all.

To be sure, even just that is still open.

In case interference are not extract from comp, it would mean that the  
quantum is a geographical phenomenon, or that the SWE is non linear.


But the quantum is so deep, and is somehow connected to linearity and  
symmetries which are even deeper, so that I doubt that physics might  
be "not quantum", and I estimate that comp, and the whole of physics,  
would lost interest in case that interference feature was not a  
consequence of comp.


But then, eventually, when the math are done, the fact is that we get  
exactly what we need to have interference, and I hope I will be able  
to explain enough of this on the FOAR list, soon or a bit later.


In a nutshell:

Physics = measure on the relative consistent extensions (by UDA), and  
this is given mainly by the three points of view:


Bp & p, Bp & Dt, Bp & Dt & p

Comp will be translated in arithmetic by the restriction of p to the  
sigma_1 sentences,


then the logic associated to the three hypostases get indeed "quantum- 
like", by having a quantization formula:


p -> []<>p,

with []p given by the hypostases mentioned just above. You might try  
to search "LASE" in the archive, as I have call it here (for Little  
Abstract Schroedinger Equation).


This makes the corresponding logic obeying "a quantum logic", and it  
suggests both the linearity and the symmetries, and ... the existence  
of interferences. But some work remains to be done to verify this in  
all details, and to conclude that we have a quantum computer in our  
comp neighborhoods.


There is a work by Rawling and Selesnick which suggest we can extract  
a quantum NOR from "p -> []<>p", but it uses the necessitation rule,  
and we lost it in comp, so it is not clear how we can use it.


Bruno



http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/



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How does comp explain interference?

2013-06-16 Thread Jason Resch
One question that comes to my mind is how computationalism might lead to
the phenomenon of interference.  How is it that infinite programs going
through a state can interfere?

Might interference be something local to the geography of this particular
universe, or is it something comp predicts to be global for all physics for
all observers?

Jason

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