Re: R: Re: Aristotle the Nitwit (an old quote)

2016-06-24 Thread Bruno Marchal


On 23 Jun 2016, at 08:26, 'scerir' via Everything List wrote:


"In all cases, Knowledge implies a combination of Thoughts and Things.
Without this combination, it would not be Knowledge.
Without Thoughts, there could be no connexion;
without Things, there could be no reality.
Thoughts and Things are so intimately combined in our Knowledge,
that we do not look upon them as distinct."

---William Whewell (1840)


Yes, that's the (Theaetetus' idea), if you interpret "thought" by  
"belief", and things by true or real.


It is a very old idea. Socrates (and Gerson) refuted it, but Church  
thesis and/or incompleteness refutes Socrates' and Gerson's  
refutation. I don't know of any other theory which remains coherent  
with the antic dream or simulation argument.


Of course, using the term "things" in this context is probably a trace  
of Aristotelianism, with the belief that there is a reality made up of  
things. Both computationalism and quantum mechanics suggest a more  
relational view of reality.


Bruno






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R: Re: Aristotle the Nitwit (an old quote)

2016-06-23 Thread 'scerir' via Everything List
"In all cases, Knowledge implies a combination of Thoughts and Things. 
Without this combination, it would not be Knowledge. 
Without Thoughts, there could be no connexion; 
without Things, there could be no reality. 
Thoughts and Things are so intimately combined in our Knowledge, 
that we do not look upon them as distinct." 

---William Whewell (1840)

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