FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[Philip Benjamin]

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[Roland Cichowski]
"As I have already said about dead matter, aseity does not give rise to it. It 
may give rise to an illusion that dead matter exists  if I believe dead 
matter is an illusion and does not exist. How can you then pose a question to 
me that Marxists prefer one option that does not exist and Augustinian 
civilisations prefer the other option, which is; (something that does not 
exist), can give rise to life.. "
[Philip Benjamin]
   Aseity is a quality of something that ontologically exists, which 
solves the problem of infinite regress. Consciousness is also an attribute of 
existence with no creative powers.  Sense perception is an experience resulting 
from objectively measurable (not illusionary) observations. No existence, no 
experience. That is well settled as regards the requirements of law of 
noncontradiction and law of causality, as you have observed in your previous 
post. No objectivity, no science. That is the observable difference in outcomes 
of illusionary worldviews of Yogis and rishis, and  objective world views of 
reality.  Science is then an effect, not cause, of rational thinking.
   Augustinian consciousness is an awakened consciousness. Marxist 
consciousness is a natural consciousness. No bias or prejudice can fail to note 
the difference in outcomes of the tw, so much so, that (stated many times 
afore) the pagan Marxist Joseph Stalin had to coin the term "American 
Exceptionalism" . America is not the product of yoga, occultism, Cabbala, 
Talmud, Tao, TM, Jungian Sorcery, Maya thinking, New Age etc. Rather, this 
Non-Sovereign Republic of Sovereign States, resulted from the "Two Great 
Awakenings", first led by the prodigious founder-President of Princeton U and 
the other led by President of Yale U. These are not illusions, but historical 
and historic events. It will be very unwise and perilous for politicians and 
jurists groomed by WAMP-the-Ingrate to ignore those FACTS and indoctrinate 
every level of Civil and Military life with Socialist-Fascist-Marxist (SOFAMA) 
pagan globalism in the once Augustinian objective West in general and twice 
awakened factual America in particular.
   I have to skip the definitions of "Awakening", "pagan", "WAMP" etc.
Philip Benjamin

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Hi, Philip.
[Philip Benjamin]That is a more rational approach. Only a degree of rationality 
can be accomplished in such matters.

[Philip Benjamin] What is more rational? Aseity of dead matter producing life.

[Roland] I'm not sure if these statements are rational or not but I thought I 
gave good reason in past posts, why. I do not believe that any evidence can be 
found for the existence of what you call dead matter. I am presuming that by 
dead matter that you are referring to what most people would call the physical 
or material universe.

Our understanding of how our senses might work in this physical reality does 
not work when we investigate it. If such a physical universe exists in the way 
you seem to think it does, then what we experience of it is unlikely to be 
anything like what it really is. This is because our sensory equipment, which 
you seem to presume to be part of this physical universe, do not transmit to us 
what this physical reality is really like. In this sense what we experience is 
an illusion representing something unknown, created by consciousness, to 
realise this is the real awakening.

Given this situation I agree it is not rational to believe that dead (Physical) 
matter can be producing life. I am not completely sure how you see a connection 
between the principle of aseity and the appearance of dead matter. Aseity is a 
principle it is not physical in any way. So the idea that it gives rise to 
physical or dead matter seems to be a non-starter to me. [physical or dead 
matter is an illusion produced by consciousness. Perhaps that is the reason 
that as you suggest the statement does not appear to be rational.

[Philip Benjamin] ...or Aseity of LIFE creating dead matter and life forms?

[Roland] It is not clear to me what you mean by aseity of Life.

As I have already said about dead matter, aseity does not give rise to it. It 
may give rise to an illusion that dead matter exists and so suggests that life 
exists as an extension of it but this is not the true state of reality. So the 
only way I can understand your point is that you believe that dead matter 
exists and that it gives rise 

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[spudboy100 via Everything List]

For me, pagan is an anagram for solar energy technology. Perovskite And Gallium 
Arsenide Nitride. 

Flexible all-perovskite tandem solar cells with a 24.7% efficiency 
(techxplore.com)
See? I have squared the circle, without a word about Cartesian Dualism. 

Can I hear an Amen?
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On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 2:08 PM Philip Benjamin  wrote:


> Augustine, a pagan [...]

You scared me for a minute, the world seemed entirely out of whack because you 
wrote three entire sentences without using the word "pagan" , but I shouldn't 
have worried, you used it in the fourth sentence even though you are not able 
to provide a single example of something, anything, that is NOT a "pagan". 
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Re: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[John Clark]

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 2:08 PM Philip Benjamin 
wrote:

*> Augustine, a pagan* [...]


You scared me for a minute, the world seemed entirely out of whack because you
wrote three entire sentences without using the word "pagan" , but I
shouldn't have worried, you used it in the fourth sentence even though you
are not able to provide a single example of something, anything, that is
NOT a "pagan".

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[Philip Benjamin]

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[Philip Benjamin]
  All evidences seem to indicate tis is a human problem, no animals 
areagitated over fictitious deities. None of the rplies address the real human 
problem. The brains of most animals are not all that different from humans’. 
You may shift the problem to neural patterns etc., but that does not answer the 
question, why? What, nor even how, is not the subject here. Existence is 
antecedent to experience. Awakened experience follows awakened existence. That 
is how Augustine, a pagan, hedonist scholar in Platonism became an exegete of 
Theology ( centered around Adonai of the Patriarchs, Prophets and the Apostles)!
Philip Benjamin

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" How can fictitious deities really do anything at all?"



But they do, because what we believe in we become. Belief is the most important 
thing we have, it creates civilisations, buildings, behaviour, art, food, 
literature, plays, music, poems, ethics, morals . Take away a man's 
house and car and he will be upset for a while. But take away his beliefs and 
you destroy him.

Imposing belief systems is as destructive as waging war on them. You kill their 
spirit.






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[Olaf Stapledon]
” The fictitious deities of all races in all worlds once more crowded 
themselves upon me,…”
[Philip Benjamin]
This is off the thread here. However, I will try to retain the thought. Prof 
Olaf is fundamentally wrong here and logically inconsistent. How can fictitious 
deities really do anything at all? Human life ( for that matter any life) is 
more than a bunch of fundamental particles. That is why even unreal and 
fictitious deities occupy human minds! How could any race or individual 
intrinsically come up with any fictitious notions of a friendly or hostile 
deity? Why can’t any mind be absolutely blank of any such thinking? He looks 
like endorsing one of those Israeli/Jewish women of Jeremiah’s days who said: ” 
As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will 
not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goes forth out 
of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out 
drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and 
our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then 
had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil”.
The word pagan got into Queen’s English not by the KJV, instead heathen is used 
by KJV for anything outside the domain of Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) 
Elohim (uni-plural). See Joshua 24:2. Even Terah, the father of Abraham, and 
the father of Nachor had one of those deities.They were all heathen/pagan. 
Regeneration from old heathenism to new-creation in Adonai is what Apostolic or 
Augustinian transformation is all about. Like it or not, That, not Prof. Olaf 
Stapledon, is what distinguished the nonconformist West in general from the 
rest of the world which conformed to various deities of various races, peoples 
and nations—including Jungian sorceries, occultism of Monk Rasputin, Madame 
Blavatsky etc.
Philip Benjamin
From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online 
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You know Philip I think it is rather difficult not to love the earth, but it is 
possible to love the earth and trust the God who created it and will destroy 
it. …. There is one writer who seemed to sum up this form of duality – Olaf 
Stapledon, a science fiction writer and University lecturer: Two related quotes 
…… The fictitious deities of all races in all worlds once more crowded 
themselves upon me, symbols of majesty and tenderness, of ruthless power, of 
blind creativity and of all seeing wisdom. And though their images were but the 
fantasies of created minds, it seemed to me that one and all did indeed embody 
some true features of the Star Maker's impact. 
...
Suddenly it was clear to me that virtue in the Creator is not the same as 
virtue in the Creation. For the Creator if he should love his creation would 

Re: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[Lawrence Crowell]

On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 2:31:20 PM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote:

> general...@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The 
> Supreme Court and the Electoral College
>
>  
>
> [*Olaf Stapledon*] *quoted below.*
>
> ” The fictitious deities of all races in all worlds once more crowded 
> themselves upon me,…”
>
> *[Philip Benjamin]*
>
>  This is off the thread here. However*, *I will try to retain the 
> thought*. *Prof Olaf is fundamentally wrong here and logically 
> inconsistent. How can fictitious deities *really *do anything at all? 
>

Deities operate as brain patterns, memes and thought games. There is no 
reason to think God, Allah or Jesus Christ exist outside of us, but we 
might say that the function as thought-games in the brain and by that way 
affect behavior. 

LC

 [image: bizarro god lives here.jpg]

> Human life ( for that matter any life) is more than a bunch of fundamental 
> particles. That is why even unreal and fictitious deities occupy human 
> minds! How could any race or individual intrinsically come up with any 
> fictitious notions of a friendly or hostile deity? Why can’t any mind be 
> absolutely blank of any such thinking? He looks like endorsing one of those 
> Israeli/Jewish women of Jeremiah’s days who said: ” As for the word that 
> thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto 
> thee.  But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goes forth out of our own 
> mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink 
> offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and 
> our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for 
> then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil”.
>
>  The word pagan got into Queen’s English not by the KJV, instead 
> heathen is used by KJV for anything outside the domain of *Adonai 
> (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural).*  See *Joshua 24:2. *Even 
> Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor had one of those 
> deities.They were all heathen/pagan. Regeneration from old heathenism to 
> new-creation in Adonai is what Apostolic or Augustinian transformation is 
> all about. Like it or not, That, not *Prof.* *Olaf Stapledon,* is what 
> distinguished the nonconformist West in general from the rest of the world 
> which conformed to various deities of various races, peoples and 
> nations—including Jungian sorceries, occultism of Monk Rasputin, Madame 
> Blavatsky etc.
>
>  *Philip Benjamin*
>
> *   From:* 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online <
> general...@googlegroups.com> S*ubject:* RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: 
> The Supreme Court and the Electoral College   
>
>You know Philip I think it is rather difficult not to love the 
> earth, but it is possible to love the earth and trust the God who created 
> it and will destroy it. …. There is one writer who seemed to sum up this 
> form of duality – Olaf Stapledon, a science fiction writer and University 
> lecturer: Two related quotes …… The fictitious deities of all races in all 
> worlds once more crowded themselves upon me, symbols of majesty and 
> tenderness, of ruthless power, of blind creativity and of all seeing 
> wisdom. And though their images were but the fantasies of created minds, it 
> seemed to me that one and all did indeed embody some true features of the 
> Star Maker's impact. ...  
>
> Suddenly it was clear to me that virtue in the Creator is not the same as 
> virtue in the Creation. For the Creator if he should love his creation 
> would be loving only a part of himself, but the creation praising the 
> creator praises an infinity beyond himself. The virtue of the creation was 
> to love and to worship. The virtue of the Creator was to create and to be 
> infinite, the unrealisable and incomprehensible goal of worshipping 
> creatures. ……..  It is enough to have been created, to have embodied for a 
> moment the infinite and tumultuously creative spirit …. to have been the 
> rough sketch for some perfected creation.
> Professor Stapledon was much admired in his day …. “*Stapledon was 
> hostile to religious institutions, but not to religious yearnings*”. 
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Philip Benjamin" 
> To: "general...@googlegroups.com" 
>
> Sent: Sunday, 10 Jul, 22 At 19:26
> Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the 
> Electoral College
>
> *John Clark]*
>
> “´ Give me an example of something, anything, that is NOT pagan…. “.
>
> *[Philip Benjamin] *
>
> This is a reasonable question, though the problem was defined for over 
> over 20 y

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[Philip Benjamin]

general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> 
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[Olaf Stapledon] quoted below.
” The fictitious deities of all races in all worlds once more crowded 
themselves upon me,…”
[Philip Benjamin]
 This is off the thread here. However, I will try to retain the thought. 
Prof Olaf is fundamentally wrong here and logically inconsistent. How can 
fictitious deities really do anything at all? Human life ( for that matter any 
life) is more than a bunch of fundamental particles. That is why even unreal 
and fictitious deities occupy human minds! How could any race or individual 
intrinsically come up with any fictitious notions of a friendly or hostile 
deity? Why can’t any mind be absolutely blank of any such thinking? He looks 
like endorsing one of those Israeli/Jewish women of Jeremiah’s days who said: ” 
As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will 
not hearken unto thee.  But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goes forth 
out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out 
drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and 
our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then 
had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil”.
 The word pagan got into Queen’s English not by the KJV, instead heathen is 
used by KJV for anything outside the domain of Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) 
Elohim (uni-plural).  See Joshua 24:2. Even Terah, the father of Abraham, and 
the father of Nachor had one of those deities.They were all heathen/pagan. 
Regeneration from old heathenism to new-creation in Adonai is what Apostolic or 
Augustinian transformation is all about. Like it or not, That, not Prof. Olaf 
Stapledon, is what distinguished the nonconformist West in general from the 
rest of the world which conformed to various deities of various races, peoples 
and nations—including Jungian sorceries, occultism of Monk Rasputin, Madame 
Blavatsky etc.
 Philip Benjamin
   From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online 
mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>> 
Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral 
College
   You know Philip I think it is rather difficult not to love the earth, 
but it is possible to love the earth and trust the God who created it and will 
destroy it. …. There is one writer who seemed to sum up this form of duality – 
Olaf Stapledon, a science fiction writer and University lecturer: Two related 
quotes …… The fictitious deities of all races in all worlds once more crowded 
themselves upon me, symbols of majesty and tenderness, of ruthless power, of 
blind creativity and of all seeing wisdom. And though their images were but the 
fantasies of created minds, it seemed to me that one and all did indeed embody 
some true features of the Star Maker's impact. 
...
Suddenly it was clear to me that virtue in the Creator is not the same as 
virtue in the Creation. For the Creator if he should love his creation would be 
loving only a part of himself, but the creation praising the creator praises an 
infinity beyond himself. The virtue of the creation was to love and to worship. 
The virtue of the Creator was to create and to be infinite, the unrealisable 
and incomprehensible goal of worshipping creatures. ……..  It is enough to have 
been created, to have embodied for a moment the infinite and tumultuously 
creative spirit …. to have been the rough sketch for some perfected creation.
Professor Stapledon was much admired in his day …. “Stapledon was hostile to 
religious institutions, but not to religious yearnings”.

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John Clark]
“´ Give me an example of something, anything, that is NOT pagan…. “.
[Philip Benjamin]
This is a reasonable question, though the problem was defined for over over 20 
years wherever that was allowed, though the WAMP (often Marxists) despotically 
forbids.
WAMP is generally speaking a self-description, if anybody wants to join, most 
welcome!! The name “John” meaning ”Jah (YHWH) is gracious” is not of pagan 
origin, that does not necessarily mean that anybody with that name is not a 
Gaia centered conformist. Pagan comes from Pan-Gaia-n, i.e. earth centered, 
earth worshippers, by extension the doctrinaire environmentalists and the 
pseudo-climatologists.
A “transformed consciousness” is what the Prophet describes as: “And I will 
give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put with

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[John Clark]

On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 2:27 PM Philip Benjamin 
wrote:

> *John Clark]*
>
>   “´ Give me an example of something, anything, that is NOT pagan…. “.
>
> *[Philip Benjamin] *
>
>  This is a reasonable question,
>

Yea I thought so.


* > though the problem was defined for over over 20 years wherever that was
> allowed, though the WAMP (often Marxists) despotically forbids. WAMP is
> generally speaking a self-description if*  [ blah blah blah]
>

That's nice, but I don't give a damn what WAMP (whatever the hell that is)
forbids, what I asked for is an example of something, anything, that is NOT
pagan and you don't seem to be able to provide one. So everything is pagan,
which is exactly equivalent to nothing is pagan because 0=0.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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[Philip Benjamin]

John Clark]
  “´ Give me an example of something, anything, that is NOT pagan…. “.
[Philip Benjamin]
 This is a reasonable question, though the problem was defined for over 
over 20 years wherever that was allowed, though the WAMP (often Marxists) 
despotically forbids.
WAMP is generally speaking a self-description, if anybody wants to join, most 
welcome!! The name “John” meaning ”Jah (YHWH) is gracious” is not of pagan 
origin, that does not necessarily mean that anybody with that name is not a 
Gaia centered conformist. Pagan comes from Pan-Gaia-n, i.e. earth centered, 
earth worshippers, by extension the doctrinaire environmentalists and the 
pseudo-climatologists.
 A “transformed consciousness” is what the Prophet describes as:  “And 
I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will 
remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh”. 
Ezekiel 36:26. Earth-centeredness is unavoidable for all earthlings, “none 
good” (Psalm 14:3; Romans 3:12; Luke 18:19) even in an “awakened 
consciousness”, or Augustinian transformation (“Two Great Awakenings for 
example”). Rabbi Saul of Tarsus put it this way expressing his great 
frustration after transformation on the Damascus road: Romans 7:24. “ O 
wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death”?
Only the products (Marxists) of WAMP-the-Ingrate can claim to be “good”!!   
For science today Ezekiel’s “new heart” or the “inner man” of the Apostles 
refers to the “dark matter body” with its chemistry vis-à-ˈvis its “light 
matter twin” cocreated at conception.
Philip Benjamin
Notes:
Jeremiah 17:9.“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: 
who can know it?”
Romans chs. 1—3. Total corruption of mankindMark 7: 21. “For from within, out 
of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, 
adultery, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, 
lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:”
Ezekiel 36:26. “And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put 
within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a 
heart of flesh”.

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On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 9:38 AM Philip Benjamin 
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> Paganism with un-awakened consciousness in diverse forms rules about 90% of 
> the globe including today’s Europe and America—atheism, humanism, animism, 
> polytheism,  pantheism, cabalism, Marxism, Socialism, Fascism, Satanism, 
> Statism, Collective Capitalism, Neo-Liberalism, anti-individualism, New Age, 
> Identity Politics, etc.  One has to cut off from reality not to mention 
> paganism in describing the present state of human minds.
“Is Christianity paganism, if not why not, and if it is then give me an example 
of something, anything, that is NOT pagan.  Saying everything is pagan is 
equivalent to saying nothing is pagan because meaning needs contrast”  John 
Clark.



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Dear Philip,
Mr Clark's reply [he cannot be a doctor or professor surely?] is absolutely 
spot on - because he has defined what a WAMP is by his own reply!! There is

- Sarcasm - Wow you're doing better, you were able to write 28 whole words 
before you felt obligated [sic] to use the word "pagan"!

- Abuse - but pretty soon you may be able to write an entire sentence without 
using "pagan",

- Insult - It would be science-fiction to imagine you could ever write an 
entire post without using it

- Condescension - but I'm curious, does that word have any meeting [sic] for 
you other than someone who believes in a very slightly different type of 
religious idiocy than the type of religious idiocy you believe in?

- Arrogance/Ignorance And by the way, if you put a gun to my head I couldn't 
tell you who or what "WAMP-the-Ingrate" is.







This is a WAMP! An arrogant, dismissive, condescending, abusive individual who 
uses sarcasm as a form of argument, as well as insult and abuse. And yet is 
unable to spell or use grammatically correct English!!
"Obligated" means "require or compel (someone) to undertake a legal or moral 
duty". I think he may mean obliged and he has mis-spelt meeting because I 

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[John Clark]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 9:38 AM Philip Benjamin 
wrote:



> *> Paganism with un-awakened consciousness in diverse forms rules about
> 90% of the globe including today’s Europe and America—atheism, humanism,
> animism, polytheism,  pantheism, cabalism, Marxism, Socialism, Fascism,
> Satanism, Statism, Collective Capitalism, Neo-Liberalism,
> anti-individualism, New Age, Identity Politics, etc.  One has to cut off
> from reality not to mention paganism in describing the present state of
> human minds.*
>

Is Christianity paganism, if not why not, and if it is then give me an
example of something, anything, that is* NOT* pagan.  Saying everything is
pagan is equivalent to saying nothing is pagan because meaning needs
contrast.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>
09t











> *Philip Benjamin  *
>
> *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com 
> *On Behalf Of *John Clark
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 7, 2022 1:46 PM
> *To:* 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List  >
> *Cc:* spudboy100
> *Subject:* Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 1:24 PM Philip Benjamin 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >  *WAMP-the-Ingrate did not and could not exist in the 1700’s! Today’s
> WAMP-the-Ingrate will certainly have New York and California (two lawless
> BIG Marxist mostly pagan* [...]
>
>
>
> Wow you're doing better, you were able to write 28 whole words before you
> felt obligated to use the word "pagan"!  It would be science-fiction to
> imagine you could ever write an entire post without using it but pretty
> soon you may be able to write an entire sentence without using "pagan", but
> I'm curious, does that word have any meeting for you other than someone who
> believes in a very slightly different type of religious idiocy than the
> type of religious idiocy you believe in? And by the way, if you put a gun
> to my head I couldn't tell you who or what "WAMP-the-Ingrate" is.
>
>
>
> John K Clark
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RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[Philip Benjamin]

[Philip Benjamin]
  Paganism with un-awakened consciousness in diverse forms rules about 90% of 
the globe including today's Europe and America-atheism, humanism, animism, 
polytheism,  pantheism, cabalism, Marxism, Socialism, Fascism, Satanism, 
Statism, Collective Capitalism, Neo-Liberalism, anti-individualism, New Age, 
Identity Politics, etc.  One has to cut off from reality not to mention 
paganism in describing the present state of human minds.
Philip Benjamin
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 1:46 PM
To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
Cc: spudboy100
Subject: Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 1:24 PM Philip Benjamin 
mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

>  WAMP-the-Ingrate did not and could not exist in the 1700's! Today's 
> WAMP-the-Ingrate will certainly have New York and California (two lawless BIG 
> Marxist mostly pagan [...]

Wow you're doing better, you were able to write 28 whole words before you felt 
obligated to use the word "pagan"!  It would be science-fiction to imagine you 
could ever write an entire post without using it but pretty soon you may be 
able to write an entire sentence without using "pagan", but I'm curious, does 
that word have any meeting for you other than someone who believes in a very 
slightly different type of religious idiocy than the type of religious idiocy 
you believe in? And by the way, if you put a gun to my head I couldn't tell you 
who or what "WAMP-the-Ingrate" is.

John K Clark

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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

It wasn't a 7 year thing because I have always been honest with my answers. It 
is the Democrat Party Leadership that has walked out on a Republic, though back 
in the 50's we may have led the way via "The Military Industrial Complex," that 
IKE warned us all about in his bye-bye speech in 1961. This, after building up 
the Military Industrial Complex in order to battle the CCCP. 
For today JC, we're heading maybe for a split , but this is uncertain. For me, 
under a democrats + billionaires rule which actively supports street criminals, 
and rioters, plus, like Obama seek a US industrial and national decline, out of 
malice, for me, not interested. Not interested in banning drilling (via, the 
Bureau of Land Management) and NOT rushing forward with R for Renewables, at 
the same time. Doing stuff like this is not a mark either for or against native 
intelligence, but rather and example of how ideological interferes with 
rational thinking  
On my team, the ideological is about what to do with abortion, and the choices 
of state governments will likely retain many votes which you guys may have 
lost. So we get to see about 22 and 24 and see how events will influence people 
personally. As of now, Team Joey is losing and El Trump is looking better to 
many. 
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3543735-trump-leads-biden-in-hypothetical-2024-matchup-poll/
Things may change because there are so many of Naseem Nicholas Taibs' 
(economist) Black Swans abounding that the world is in for more of the same 
tough times as it has been. How this will affect politics here is beyond my 
intellectual pay grade. 


-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: spudboy...@aol.com
Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wed, Jul 6, 2022 4:11 pm
Subject: Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 2:28 PM  wrote:

 

 > So if you need a yes or a no, I will go with yes. 

It took seven tries but I finally got a straight answer out of you, thank you. 
I will remind you on January 6, 2025 that you hope Kamala Harris just nullifies 
the 2024 election if Joe Biden and she lost to Donald Trump in both the popular 
vote and the electoral college vote by a substantial margin and she simply 
declares that the election is null and void and Joe Biden and herself will 
remain in power for another four years and, because they and no Democrat that 
they like needs to endure all the fuss and bother of another election ever 
again, probably much much longer.  John K Clark    See what's on my new list at 
 Extropolis
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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[Lawrence Crowell]

On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 1:46:17 PM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 1:24 PM Philip Benjamin  
> wrote:
>
> >  *WAMP-the-Ingrate did not and could not exist in the 1700’s! Today’s 
>> WAMP-the-Ingrate will certainly have New York and California (two lawless 
>> BIG Marxist mostly pagan* [...]
>>
>
> Wow you're doing better, you were able to write 28 whole words before you 
> felt obligated to use the word "pagan"!  It would be science-fiction to 
> imagine you could ever write an entire post without using it but pretty 
> soon you may be able to write an entire sentence without using "pagan", but 
> I'm curious, does that word have any meeting for you other than someone who 
> believes in a very slightly different type of religious idiocy than the 
> type of religious idiocy you believe in? And by the way, if you put a gun 
> to my head I couldn't tell you who or what "WAMP-the-Ingrate" is.
>
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> 
>

I too have wondered who this ingrate or WAMP-the-ingrate is. Ben's writing 
is utterly incoherent and borderline unintelligible. 

LC

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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[John Clark]

On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 1:24 PM Philip Benjamin 
wrote:

>  *WAMP-the-Ingrate did not and could not exist in the 1700’s! Today’s
> WAMP-the-Ingrate will certainly have New York and California (two lawless
> BIG Marxist mostly pagan* [...]
>

Wow you're doing better, you were able to write 28 whole words before you
felt obligated to use the word "pagan"!  It would be science-fiction to
imagine you could ever write an entire post without using it but pretty
soon you may be able to write an entire sentence without using "pagan", but
I'm curious, does that word have any meeting for you other than someone who
believes in a very slightly different type of religious idiocy than the
type of religious idiocy you believe in? And by the way, if you put a gun
to my head I couldn't tell you who or what "WAMP-the-Ingrate" is.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[Philip Benjamin]

[Philip Benjamin]
  WAMP-the-Ingrate did not and could not exist in the 1700's! Today's 
WAMP-the-Ingrate will certainly have New York and California (two lawless BIG 
Marxist mostly pagan states with un-awakened consciousnesses) decide who the 
POTUS should be. Since most citizens (rather residents) of US wouldn't care 
less as to who or what should rule them, hoe does it matter anyway?
Philip Benjamin

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 6:58 AM
Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com
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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[John Clark]

On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 2:28 PM  wrote:



>  > *So if you need a yes or a no, I will go with yes. *
>

It took seven tries but I finally got a straight answer out of you, thank
you. I will remind you on January 6, 2025 that you hope Kamala Harris just
nullifies the 2024 election if Joe Biden and she lost to Donald Trump in both
the popular vote and the electoral college vote by a substantial margin and
she simply declares that the election is null and void and Joe Biden and
herself will remain in power for another four years and, because they and
no Democrat that they like needs to endure all the fuss and bother of
another election ever again, probably much much longer.
John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Ah, to have an opinion that has impact on the behavior of lawmakers, one must 
be loaded.See, JC, its an oligarchy because the political class relies on 
billionaire's money to survive.  On your question. I am good with anything as 
long as its not nuclear war. So if you need a yes or a no, I will go with yes. 
Now enjoy your save the earth and save Vlad gas price. Not so bad here. Only 
4.97 woo hoo!

-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: spudboy...@aol.com
Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tue, Jul 5, 2022 3:17 pm
Subject: Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

On Tue, Jul 5, 2022 at 2:45 PM  wrote:


> Oh, Ok, yeah I wish Pence would've have been the tie breaker in Don's favor.

What on earth are you talking about?!  That is not what Trump asked Pence to do 
because there was no tie to break, Trump lost overwhelmingly both in the 
electoral college and in the popular vote. And even if there was a tie in the 
electoral college (and there wasn't or anything even close to it) the 
constitution does not give the vice president the right to break that tie, in 
that case the decision would be made by the House of representatives.

What Trump ordered Pence to do is to become a traitor and betray the oath he 
took to defend the Constitution. And so, although I'm sure you'll remain 
consistent and dodge the question once more nevertheless I'll ask my question 
for the... I'm not sure if it's the sixth or seventh time I've lost count: 
Would you be happy if the Biden/Harris ticket lost by a substantial margin both 
in the electoral college and the popular vote in 2024 to Donald Trump but on 
January 6, 2025 Kamala Harris just decreed that the election was null and void 
and both she and Joe Biden would remain in power for at least another 4 years 
and Biden strongly hinted he will run for a third term despite the fact that 
the Constitution forbids it.


> To be honest, if we were both honest, what does anyone comprising American 
> agree on anymore?

Apparently nothing. I don't like dictatorships and would be unhappy if the 
country I lived in turned into a Banana Republic, but apparently you disagree 
and would be fine with that provided the dictator had "good comic timing". 

> On abortion, I want to do a womb with a view,

If your name "SpudBOY" is accurate then you don't have a womb and I see no 
reason why those that do have one should be required by law to take your 
opinions of the matter into account when they decide what to do with their own 
personal reproductive machinery. 
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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[John Clark]

On Tue, Jul 5, 2022 at 2:45 PM  wrote:

*> Oh, Ok, yeah I wish Pence would've have been the tie breaker in Don's
> favor.*
>

What on earth are you talking about?! That is not what Trump asked Pence to
do because there was no tie to break, Trump lost overwhelmingly both in the
electoral college and in the popular vote. And even if there was a tie in
the electoral college (and there wasn't or anything even close to it) the
constitution does not give the vice president the right to break that tie,
in that case the decision would be made by the House of representatives.

What Trump ordered Pence to do is to become a traitor and betray the oath
he took to defend the Constitution. And so, although I'm sure you'll remain
consistent and dodge the question once more nevertheless I'll ask my
question for the... I'm not sure if it's the sixth or seventh time I've
lost count: Would you be happy if the Biden/Harris ticket lost by a
substantial margin both in the electoral college and the popular vote in
2024 to Donald Trump but on January 6, 2025 Kamala Harris just decreed that
the election was null and void and both she and Joe Biden would remain in
power for at least another 4 years and Biden strongly hinted he will run
for a third term despite the fact that the Constitution forbids it.

*> To be honest, if we were both honest, what does anyone comprising
> American agree on anymore?*
>

Apparently nothing. I don't like dictatorships and would be unhappy if the
country I lived in turned into a Banana Republic, but apparently you
disagree and would be fine with that provided the dictator had "good comic
timing".

*> On abortion, I want to do a womb with a view*,
>

If your name "Spud*BOY*" is accurate then you don't have a womb and I see
no reason why those that do have one should be required by law to take your
opinions of the matter into account when they decide what to do with their
own personal reproductive machinery.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Oh, Ok, yeah I wish Pence would've have been the tie breaker in Don's favor. 
The courts all ruled that they had no constitutional authority to even look at 
the evidence. Now all this time after Nov 2020 and Don still has not proven to 
The Public that he lost by dems doing voter fraud? I am a patient man, but lets 
see the evidence. What would you do IF he actually had the evidence that Joey 
was not by the standards of the electoral collage to have won?? 
To be honest, if we were both honest, what does anyone comprising American 
agree on anymore? I would have thought that 22 would have been a shoe in for 
us, but now with the supreme's changing their mind on Roe, your team may have a 
fighting chance?? 
On abortion, I want to do a womb with a view, and I am believing that we are 
there now, Artifical wombs, fetus transferals, adoptions, foster care, or 
failing that, orphanages. "The sun will come out tomorrow, bet your bottom 
dollar they'll be sun!" I mean we're the science guys. I try to resolve touchy 
theological issues, by science even. 
Joey did screw up bigtime as most all world leaders did on energy. Now with 
Vlad on our backs, its a lot worse. Yeah, JC, that MSR Th232-U233 thing needs a 
budget for sure. Did Don do it? Somewhat. Will Joey do it? See, that is the 
self imposed bind your team is in, being ideological.   


-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: spudboy...@aol.com
Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Mon, Jul 4, 2022 3:56 pm
Subject: Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 3:05 PM  wrote:


> My only concern is that were election laws violated in 2020 in enough amount 
> to change the election outcome? Donny has had 18 months to serve the data up 
> to the populace, and, where's the beef? 

There was never anything that even approximated beef! Trump challenged the 
election results in courts more than 60 times, often by judges that he had 
appointed, and he lost every single one, in fact most were laughed out of 
court. This is consistent with the man's previous behavior, when his idiotic TV 
game show failed to win an Emmy Trump claimed the election was rigged. Every 
single time he lost a state republican primary election in 2016 Trump claimed 
the election was rigged. Every single time Bernie Sanders (who Trump thought he 
could more easily beat in the general election) lost a state Democratic  
primary election in 2016 Trump claimed the election was rigged. That's why I 
publicly predicted even before the 2016 election that he would claim he won in 
2020 regardless of the outcome of the election and that his removal from the 
Oval Office would be UGLY. But even I didn't predict that although he won in 
2016 he would STILL claim the election was rigged, he insisted he should've won 
by more. Not only is he a sore loser he's a sore winner too.    

> Decreeing an election null and void is not the same as signing an Executive 
> Order decreeing an election null and void and then ordering soldiers to 
> enforce this exec order. 

Blah blah blah, yet again you refuse to answer my question. Donald Trump 
ordered Mike Pence to become a traitor to the constitution and to the nation, 
and to his credit Mike Pence refused to obey. So my question to you, which I 
have asked so many times, is would you be happy if the Biden/Harris ticket lost 
by a substantial margin both in the electoral college and the popular vote in 
2024 to Donald Trump but on January 6, 2025 Kamala Harris just decreed that the 
election was null and void and both she and Joe Biden would remain in power for 
at least another 4 years and Biden strongly hinted he will run for a third term 
despite the fact that the Constitution forbids it.  John K Clark    See what's 
on my new list at  Extropolis
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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[Telmo Menezes]

Am Mo, 4. Jul 2022, um 07:43, schrieb spudboy100 via Everything List:
> Trumpo bitched at Fraulein Docktor Merkel who was big into Putin and she 
> didn't have anything to say when

I guess the circus is in town but not everyone is a clown.

> El Donaldo complained that *"Germany will just end up being a servant state 
> of Putin."* 

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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[John Clark]

On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 3:05 PM  wrote:

> *My only concern is that were election laws violated in 2020 in enough
> amount to change the election outcome? Donny has had 18 months to serve the
> data up to the populace, and, where's the beef? *


There was never anything that even approximated beef! Trump challenged the
election results in courts more than 60 times, often by judges that he had
appointed, and he lost every single one, in fact most were laughed out of
court. This is consistent with the man's previous behavior, when his
idiotic TV game show failed to win an Emmy Trump claimed the election was
rigged. Every single time he lost a state republican primary election in
2016 Trump claimed the election was rigged. Every single time Bernie
Sanders (who Trump thought he could more easily beat in the general
election) lost a state Democratic  primary election in 2016 Trump claimed
the election was rigged. That's why I publicly predicted even before the
2016 election that he would claim he won in 2020 regardless of the outcome
of the election and that his removal from the Oval Office would be UGLY.
But even I didn't predict that although he won in 2016 he would *STILL*
claim the election was rigged, he insisted he should've won by more. Not
only is he a sore loser he's a sore winner too.

*> Decreeing an election null and void is not the same as signing an
> Executive Order decreeing an election null and void and then ordering
> soldiers to enforce this exec order. *
>

Blah blah blah, yet again you refuse to answer my question. Donald Trump
ordered Mike Pence to become a traitor to the constitution and to the
nation, and to his credit Mike Pence refused to obey. So my question to
you, which I have asked so many times, is would you be happy if the
Biden/Harris ticket lost by a substantial margin both in the electoral
college and the popular vote in 2024 to Donald Trump but on January 6, 2025
Kamala Harris just decreed that the election was null and void and both she
and Joe Biden would remain in power for at least another 4 years and Biden
strongly hinted he will run for a third term despite the fact that the
Constitution forbids it.
John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

wwb


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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Decreeing an election null and void is not the same as signing an Executive 
Order decreeing an election null and void and then ordering soldiers to enforce 
this exec order. My only concern is that were election laws violated in 2020 in 
enough amount to change the election outcome? Donny has had 18 months to serve 
the data up to the populace, and, where's the beef? 
The Syria withdrawal barely made the news, but the Afghan human made disaster 
was for everyone to see in the world, including Putin. Whatever the Russians 
wanted, they ain't getting it now from any nation in Europe because all the 
Russians are good at is slaughtering civilians. Don was better, then Joey, but 
he was lousy at picking people or immediately has a hostile attitude with those 
he hires, always. This is known as a character flaw. That is not how either of 
us would run things but we're 210 millionth in line to the Throne anyway. 


-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: spudboy...@aol.com
Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Mon, Jul 4, 2022 7:57 am
Subject: Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 1:43 AM  wrote:


> JC, for El Trumpo, my tears have all dried and I have moved on as we all must.

I wish I could stop talking about Trump but I can't because he has not reached 
room temperature and I;m sure he's going to run again in 2024. And people like 
you are going to vote for him again even though he has proven himself to be a 
far worse traitor than Benedict Arnold.   
> Trump did fight Putin's mercs in Syria in 2018,

This is the first sentence of an article about that in the December 19 2018 
issue of the New York Times:  
 "President Trump has ordered the withdrawal of 2,000 American troops from 
Syria, bringing a sudden end to a military campaign that largely vanquished the 
Islamic State but ceding a strategically vital country to Russia and Iran."
> The Don wouldn't have done a withdrawal from Jihad land without prepping 
>properly,
Prepping properly? The US had been in Afghanistan for 20 goddamn years, how 
much more "prepping" do they need? 


>  It is hard to believe that Vlad really feared NATO.

Then why does Putin always make a big fuss every time a new country decides to 
join NATO?  I know that you like me are not a big fan of communism so consider 
this, NATO is the reason all of Europe didn't become communistic, it is the 
only reason Stalan's tanks didn't roll as far west as the Atlantic in the early 
1950s, or even the late 1940s. And have things really changed all that much, 
Putin's Russia is smaller than the old USSR but other than that do you see any 
real improvement? The USSR hadn't started a war in Europe as large as Putin's 
Ukrainian war since 1939 when the USSR invaded Finland, which is about to 
become a NATO member I might add.  But Trump says "NATO is obsolete, because it 
was designed many, many years ago, it is obsolete and a relic of the Cold War". 
Trump  said the US shouldn't help Montenegro if it was attacked even though 
Montenegro is a NATO ally and we promised that we would, but to be fair Trump 
is such an ignoramus he probably didn't even know Montenegro is a NATO ally. 
However Trump did know Germany was part of NATO and he said  "Germany owes vast 
sums of money to NATO" but like most things that come out of his piehole that 
is a complete lie, it doesn't. 
> El Donaldo complained that "Germany will just end up being a servant state of 
> Putin."

That's nothing new, every president since Bill Clinton has said the same thing, 
if not about Putin about Russia.  
I'll conclude by asking a question I've asked many times before but you have 
never answered, I'm sure you're not gonna answer this time either but I'm gonna 
ask it anyway because it's goddamn important! Would you be happy if the 
Biden/Harris ticket lost by a substantial margin both in the electoral college 
and the popular vote in 2024 to Donald Trump but on January 6, 2025 Kamala 
Harris just decreed that the election was null and void and both she and Joe 
Biden would remain in power for at least another 4 years and Biden strongly 
hinted he will run for a third term despite the fact that the Constitution 
forbids it.

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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[John Clark]

On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 1:43 AM  wrote:

> *JC, for El Trumpo, my tears have all dried and I have moved on as we all
> must.*
>

I wish I could stop talking about Trump but I can't because he has not
reached room temperature and I;m sure he's going to run again in 2024. And
people like you are going to vote for him again even though he has proven
himself to be a far worse traitor than Benedict Arnold.


> *> Trump did fight Putin's mercs in Syria in 2018,*
>

This is the first sentence of an article about that in the December 19 2018
issue of the New York Times:

 "*President Trump has ordered the withdrawal of 2,000 American troops from
Syria, bringing a sudden end to a military campaign that largely vanquished
the Islamic State but ceding a strategically vital country to Russia and
Iran*."

> *The Don wouldn't have done a withdrawal from Jihad land without prepping
properly,*

Prepping properly? The US had been in Afghanistan for 20 goddamn years, how
much more "prepping" do they need?

>  *It is hard to believe that Vlad really feared NATO.*
>

Then why does Putin always make a big fuss every time a new country decides
to join NATO?  I know that you like me are not a big fan of communism so
consider this, NATO is the reason all of Europe didn't become communistic,
it is the only reason Stalan's tanks didn't roll as far west as the
Atlantic in the early 1950s, or even the late 1940s. And have things really
changed all that much, Putin's Russia is smaller than the old USSR but
other than that do you see any real improvement? The USSR hadn't started a
war in Europe as large as Putin's Ukrainian war since 1939 when the USSR
invaded Finland, which is about to become a NATO member I might add.  But
Trump says "*NATO is obsolete, because it was designed many, many years
ago, it is obsolete and a relic of the Cold War*". Trump  said the US
shouldn't help Montenegro if it was attacked even though Montenegro is a
NATO ally and we promised that we would, but to be fair Trump is such an
ignoramus he probably didn't even know Montenegro is a NATO ally. However
Trump did know Germany was part of NATO and he said  "*Germany owes vast
sums of money to NATO*" but like most things that come out of his piehole that
is a complete lie, it doesn't.


> > El Donaldo complained that "Germany will just end up being a servant
> state of Putin."
>

That's nothing new, every president since Bill Clinton has said the same
thing, if not about Putin about Russia.

I'll conclude by asking a question I've asked many times before but you
have never answered, I'm sure you're not gonna answer this time either but
I'm gonna ask it anyway because it's goddamn important! Would you be happy
if the Biden/Harris ticket lost by a substantial margin both in the
electoral college and the popular vote in 2024 to Donald Trump but on
January 6, 2025 Kamala Harris just decreed that the election was null and
void and both she and Joe Biden would remain in power for at least another
4 years and Biden strongly hinted he will run for a third term despite the
fact that the Constitution forbids it.

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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

JC, for El Trumpo, my tears have all dried and I have moved on as we all must. 
Trump did fight Putin's mercs in Syria in 2018, please remember. It is hard to 
believe that Vlad really feared NATO. He saw them as weaklings (in my opinion) 
and they just purchased every cubic metre of nat gas they could from him. 
Trumpo bitched at Fraulein Docktor Merkel who was big into Putin and she didn't 
have anything to say when El Donaldo complained that "Germany will just end up 
being a servant state of Putin."
You and I wouldn't have complained to them as harshly, but let's face it. 
Deutschland and the others have been just skating by, and donny thought he 
could squeeze them into the agreed upon share. Let me line up the news sources 
for a blast from past. My feeling is Trumpy wanted to keep communication open 
with Vlad-just in case.
Syria-https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html

NATO-https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-blasts-nato-allies-says-germany-captive-russia-n890471

German leadership shock at 
Putin.https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/i-got-putin-wrong-says-chastened-german-president-2022-04-04/

There's a German saying, by the way, and goes, "Too smart, too late."
The Don wouldn't have done a withdrawal from Jihad land without prepping 
properly, leaving a ruin behind. It was utter chaos, and I feel confident, the 
Americans will be hearing from  the Taliban sooner or later. :-(
For the election past, for what it is worth all the revelations mean zero 
without cross examination and the Jan 6 show trial is invalid because of this. 
If Don won, and the world was tricked, he needs to present the precise evidence 
of this to the public. He hasn't, and I for one am not holding my breath. That 
courts wouldn't see the evidence is merely the same reason you are pissed at 
the Supreme Court Judges. In that they get to decide what is valid and invalid. 
"We don't have the legal justification to judge an election. Because every 
election after this precedent would be challenged!" This, say the lawyers in 
their black robes that are called judges.  
Thus, us farmers and slaves that the authors of the US Constitution viewed as 
being too busy to understand complex issues so we needed a republic to have 
smart people represent us (slaves not so much).  
For the future, I fear Vlad attacking and also Xi.Beyond this threat unless the 
Chinese change I don't see them bribing and killing their way to world power, 
not unless there is profound governmental change. America's current decline is 
self willed by The Party and by Wall Street because they are all betting on 
China and stability enough for them to make their fortunes.I would call them on 
this bet, whether its Fink's Blackrock or Gates and his CCP chums. 
Via Con Santis, Pax Vobiscum.

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Sent: Sun, Jul 3, 2022 6:13 pm
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On Sun, Jul 3, 2022 at 4:43 PM  wrote:


> So that's your answer to Putin, Bullshit?

My answer is Putin fears NATO, but Trump made no secret of his extreme 
hostility to it, and if he had a second term I'm sure the US would've resigned 
, and NATO couldn't survive the loss of its most important member. But instead 
under Biden NATO added 2 new members and is stronger and more united than it's 
been in 50 years. And I don't believe Trump would've given the Ukrainians five 
cents worth of military aid to defend themselves from Putin and his obscene 
war. 


> AFTER he witnessed the Joey fiasco in July 2021 from Afghanistan? 


And Trump yammered on and on for almost every day of his presidency about how 
the US should get out of Afghanistan, but it was all talk,  he never had the 
guts to actually do it because he knew that losing a war is always gonna be 
ugly and damaging politically.  And you STILL haven't answered my question, 
would you be happy if the Biden/Harris ticket lost by a substantial margin both 
in the electoral college and the popular vote in 2024 to Donald Trump but on 
January 6, 2025 Kamala Harris  just decreed that the election was null and void 
and both she and Joe Biden would remain in power for at least another 4 years 
and Biden strongly hinted he will run for a third term despite the fact that 
the Constitution forbids it.
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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[John Clark]

On Sun, Jul 3, 2022 at 4:43 PM  wrote:

*> So that's your answer to Putin, Bullshit?*
>

My answer is Putin fears NATO, but Trump made no secret of his extreme
hostility to it, and if he had a second term I'm sure the US would've
resigned , and NATO couldn't survive the loss of its most important member.
But instead under Biden NATO added 2 new members and is stronger and more
united than it's been in 50 years. And I don't believe Trump would've given
the Ukrainians five cents worth of military aid to defend themselves from
Putin and his obscene war.


> *AFTER he witnessed the Joey fiasco in July 2021 from Afghanistan? *
>

And Trump yammered on and on for almost every day of his presidency about
how the US should get out of Afghanistan, but it was all talk,  he never
had the guts to actually do it because he knew that losing a war is always
gonna be ugly and damaging politically.  And you STILL haven't answered my
question, would you be happy if the Biden/Harris ticket lost by a
substantial margin both in the electoral college and the popular vote in
2024 to Donald Trump but on January 6, 2025 Kamala Harris  just decreed
that the election was null and void and both she and Joe Biden would remain
in power for at least another 4 years and Biden strongly hinted he will run
for a third term despite the fact that the Constitution forbids it.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis


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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

So that's your answer to Putin, Bullshit? AFTER he witnessed the Joey fiasco in 
July 2021 from Afghanistan? 
Disbelief and betrayal: Europe reacts to Biden’s Afghanistan ‘miscalculation’ – 
POLITICO
Politico is strictly one of yours, JC. 

I think the world would be safer under the Loudmouth's control. Yes. 
On China? They are a determined, organized power that is hostile to US 
existence. 
China’s hypersonic weapons leave US defenseless, for now | The HillThe author 
is a former Defense Sec at Georgetown University.
The super rich, are gambling that China will be non- first strike aggressors. I 
don't trust these boards of directors who are willing to gamble away 330 
million American lives so they can make or save money, by swapping economic 
kisses with Comrade Xi. They buy the politicians with campaign donations and 
that is the system that has us. 
So, yeah, the world would be better if Trumpo were still boss. Would we have 
moved dem in 2022? Probably not. 2024, I am guessing would have been a repeat 
of "our" 2020, if only because Pence is not exactly charismatic. Maybe, Hillary 
would be promising free things as Joey did, including making collage loans be 
paid by "the others?" So that may have won her the Presidency?? 
In our worldline we have Putin unleashed, Xi testing the waters for a Pacific 
war, and other economist, Nassim Nicholas Taleb's Black Swans in the making. 
Closed borders would be a better thing in order to squeeze down on migration, 
including, the running of fentanyl, and firearms (field stripped) sent back and 
forth between US gangs and Los Cartels. So much for "gun control." Open borders 
means a thriving industry with this. Especially, at a time of Soros funded, 
pro-criminal DA's and Judges and Mayors. 
Joey liked rewarding his constituents with Covid money, so that was the first 
boost to inflation. He is and was the prime mover behind no drilling on public 
lands, literally from 1/22/2021 using the Bureau of Land Management. The Putin 
invasion, post Afghanistan bye bye, and we get double inflation. It ain't even 
his personality, its his policies. 
Moral of the story? Never clamp down on an old energy source that works, when 
one is not even working on a new energy source that is ;uninstalled, under 
developed, and not ready for the marketplace. I am speaking about EV's charging 
stations, solar power, wind turbines, and whatever else we got? 
It's like performing a heart transplant without a donor heart to go in. The 
policy is emotion produced by ideology. 
Th-Th-Th- That's all folks!Porky Spud

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Sent: Sun, Jul 3, 2022 8:15 am
Subject: Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 9:30 PM  wrote:


>To be honest, I believe the world would be happier including yourself if 
>Orange Man had gained a 2nd term. 

My question, which you have not answered, is would you be happy if the Biden/ 
Harris ticket lost by a substantial margin both in the electoral college and 
the popular vote in 2024 to Donald Trump but on January 6, 2025 Kamala Harris  
just decreed that the election was null and void and both she and Joe Biden 
would remain in power for at least another 4 years and Biden strongly hinted he 
will run for a third term despite the fact that the Constitution forbids it. I 
can't really blame you for not answering my question, if I had beliefs as 
screwy as yours I'd be embarrassed to admit them too. 
Trump Says He Will ‘Negotiate’ Third Term Because He’s ‘Entitled’ To It


> Putin would not have attacked the Ukraine.

BULLSHIT!

> Xi and Trumpo would have either cut a deal or even better, cut all trade and 
> infection paths,

So that's you and Trump's brilliant plan for prosperity, cut all trade!!  And 
as I keep pointing out, under the Trump administration the USA was a net 
exporter of the COVID virus not an importer. 
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On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 7:29 PM  wrote:


> Well, before the 1923 Nazi Putsch was the Kapp Putsch of 1920 which was pure 
> Wehrmacht.

What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?  

 > Don was already prez and needed to putsch. What he needed was more votes.

What Don needed was more fraud and for Mike Pence to become a traitor.  So spud 
have two questions for you: 
1) Would you be happy today if Mike Pence had become a traitor on January 6 
2021 and Donald Trump was still president?
2) Would you be happy if Joe Biden lost the 2024 election in the electoral 
college and the popular vote, both by a large margin, but on January 6 2025 
Kamala Harris simply declared that the election was null and void and Joe Biden 
would still be president for another 4 years and she would still be the vice 
president?

> He won't be running in 2024

I hope you're right but I don't think

Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[John Clark]

On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 9:30 PM  wrote:

>*To be honest, I believe the world would be happier including yourself if
> Orange Man had gained a 2nd term. *
>

My question, which you have not answered, is would you be happy if the
Biden/ Harris ticket lost by a substantial margin both in the electoral
college and the popular vote in 2024 to Donald Trump but on January 6, 2025
Kamala Harris  just decreed that the election was null and void and both
she and Joe Biden would remain in power for at least another 4 years and
Biden strongly hinted he will run for a third term despite the fact that
the Constitution forbids it. I can't really blame you for not answering my
question, if I had beliefs as screwy as yours I'd be embarrassed to admit
them too.

Trump Says He Will ‘Negotiate’ Third Term Because He’s ‘Entitled’ To It


> *Putin would not have attacked the Ukraine.*
>

*BULLSHIT!*

> *Xi and Trumpo would have either cut a deal or even better, cut all trade
> and infection paths,*
>

So that's you and Trump's brilliant plan for prosperity, cut all trade!!  And
as I keep pointing out, under the Trump administration the USA was a net
exporter of the COVID virus not an importer.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

ddy





> On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 7:29 PM  wrote:
>
> *> Well, before the 1923 Nazi Putsch was the Kapp Putsch of 1920 which was
> pure Wehrmacht.*
>
>
> What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?
>
> > *Don was already prez and needed to putsch. What he needed was more
> votes.*
>
>
> What Don needed was more fraud and for Mike Pence to become a traitor.  So
> spud have two questions for you:
>
> 1) Would you be happy today if Mike Pence had become a traitor on January
> 6 2021 and Donald Trump was still president?
>
> 2) Would you be happy if Joe Biden lost the 2024 election in the
> electoral college and the popular vote, both by a large margin, but on
> January 6 2025 Kamala Harris simply declared that the election was null
> and void and Joe Biden would still be president for another 4 years and she
> would still be the vice president?
>
> *> He won't be running in 2024*
>
>
> I hope you're right but I don't think you are.
>
> > *Actually, what is most important is Policy and not personality,*
>
>
> This is the age of the presidential nuclear button and of H-bombs, so I
> strongly disagree. In the first place the policy a presidential candidate
> runs on is seldom the policy he tries to pursue once he gets in office, and
> the policy he tries to pursue is seldom the one that actually gets
> implemented, the implemented one is almost always more convoluted and more
> stupid than either of the previous two. You probably think of me as an
> extreme left winger, certainly my former libertarian friends think so
> because I refused to jump on the Trump bandwagon, but I would vote for an
> intelligent principled conservative over a left leaning candidate who gave
> speeches I mostly agreed with if I judged he was unstable unprincipled
> untrustworthy ignorant and just plain stupid.
>
>
> jps
>
>
>
> nop
>
>
> b
>
>

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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

To be honest, I believe the world would be happier including yourself if Orange 
Man had gained a 2nd term. 1. The democratic voter and leadership would now be 
drooling for the win/reversal in 2022 and the regain the presidency & congress 
in 2024. You guys would be elated and living until that great day when America 
was back! 
2. Putin would not have attacked the Ukraine. Trumpo did attack the Wagner boys 
(Putin's mercs) in Syria in 2018. 
3. Xi and Trumpo would have either cut a deal or even better, cut all trade and 
infection paths, thus, enabling a US economic revival.
4. Border not opened. Which now enable both illegal immigrants, and fentanyl, 
and gun running both ways. (Note, I am no libertarian like Koch Industries, 
instead an economic nationalist of sorts). The UAW might like my policies? 
In any case, JC, as Bill Clinton once said: "You play the hand you get." The 
Biden-ideological thing is the world today.
No, no to Donny being a fierce fascist, yeah, to him being an egotistical loud 
mouth, but he's the one thing that all democrats agreed upon! You love the guy! 
He united your team in ways that no democratic party politician ever did. He's 
your villain, your Emanuel Goldstein to howl against. You guys are playing the 
Omarosa to The Donald in The Apprentice. Guaranteed, Adolf never would have 
tolerated an underling suing him. The poor man can't even win in court against 
her. Tell me he is Bond's Blofeld again, please? 
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/20/trump-campaign-must-pay-1point3m-to-apprentice-star-omarosa-.html
Closer to an actual Blofeld in real life is George, No thug left behind, S. & 
Klaus, Bugsy, Schwab of the WEF. Again, ad hominem attacks are fun in the Saul 
Alinsky Rules for Radicals sense of the meaning. However, its policy that 
decides the fates of politicians and countries. 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Sat, Jul 2, 2022 8:10 am
Subject: Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 7:29 PM  wrote:


> Well, before the 1923 Nazi Putsch was the Kapp Putsch of 1920 which was pure 
> Wehrmacht.

What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?  

 > Don was already prez and needed to putsch. What he needed was more votes.

What Don needed was more fraud and for Mike Pence to become a traitor.  So spud 
have two questions for you: 
1) Would you be happy today if Mike Pence had become a traitor on January 6 
2021 and Donald Trump was still president?
2) Would you be happy if Joe Biden lost the 2024 election in the electoral 
college and the popular vote, both by a large margin, but on January 6 2025 
Kamala Harris simply declared that the election was null and void and Joe Biden 
would still be president for another 4 years and she would still be the vice 
president?

> He won't be running in 2024

I hope you're right but I don't think you are.  

> Actually, what is most important is Policy and not personality,

This is the age of the presidential nuclear button and of H-bombs, so I 
strongly disagree. In the first place the policy a presidential candidate runs 
on is seldom the policy he tries to pursue once he gets in office, and the 
policy he tries to pursue is seldom the one that actually gets implemented, the 
implemented one is almost always more convoluted and more stupid than either of 
the previous two. You probably think of me as an extreme left winger, certainly 
my former libertarian friends think so because I refused to jump on the Trump 
bandwagon, but I would vote for an intelligent principled conservative over a 
left leaning candidate who gave speeches I mostly agreed with if I judged he 
was unstable unprincipled untrustworthy ignorant and just plain stupid.

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jps


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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[John Clark]

On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 7:29 PM  wrote:

*> Well, before the 1923 Nazi Putsch was the Kapp Putsch of 1920 which was
> pure Wehrmacht.*
>

What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?

> *Don was already prez and needed to putsch. What he needed was more
> votes.*
>

What Don needed was more fraud and for Mike Pence to become a traitor.  So
spud have two questions for you:

1) Would you be happy today if Mike Pence had become a traitor on January 6
2021 and Donald Trump was still president?

2) Would you be happy if Joe Biden lost the 2024 election in the electoral
college and the popular vote, both by a large margin, but on January 6
2025 Kamala
Harris simply declared that the election was null and void and Joe Biden
would still be president for another 4 years and she would still be the
vice president?

*> He won't be running in 2024*
>

I hope you're right but I don't think you are.

> *Actually, what is most important is Policy and not personality,*
>

This is the age of the presidential nuclear button and of H-bombs, so I
strongly disagree. In the first place the policy a presidential candidate
runs on is seldom the policy he tries to pursue once he gets in office, and
the policy he tries to pursue is seldom the one that actually gets
implemented, the implemented one is almost always more convoluted and more
stupid than either of the previous two. You probably think of me as an
extreme left winger, certainly my former libertarian friends think so
because I refused to jump on the Trump bandwagon, but I would vote for an
intelligent principled conservative over a left leaning candidate who gave
speeches I mostly agreed with if I judged he was unstable unprincipled
untrustworthy ignorant and just plain stupid.

  John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

jps



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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Well, before the 1923 Nazi Putsch was the Kapp Putsch of 1920 which was pure 
Wehrmacht. Don was already prez and needed to putsch. What he needed was more 
votes. Adolf does not fold his tent and Don simply landed in Fla. with claims 
of voting fraud, which he still must prove. His self aggrandizement is what he 
lives for, and the Showman's gotta show!  He won't be running in 2024 but 
Hillary said hell yes, which just shows us how lame our politics really is. 
Actually, what is most important is Policy and not personality, and policy is 
not going great right now. Joey doesn't need to quit but his policy needs to 
modify to ensure national survival. He's too slow to adjust. 


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On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 9:07 PM  wrote:


> Donny is the progressive obsession in which the fantasy is and was, another 
> Adolf. He never was ever close to that

Not even close to that?!  You see no similarities between January 6, 2021 when 
Trump staged an unsuccessful coup d'état and November 9, 1923 when Hitler 
staged an unsuccessful coup d'éta? Hmm... now that I think about it I realize 
it's silly of me to be surprised by your lack of outrage concerning January 6, 
as you yourself have indicated in another post, irrational ideologies (sorry, 
I'm being redundant) are not amenable to logic. 

> No death camps, no nazism

There were no Nazi death camps in 1923, you'd have to wait another decade for 
that, but even in 1923 anybody with half a brain should've realized that Adolf 
Hitler was not the sort of man you wanted to lead a powerful country. And today 
the stakes are even higher because today we have H-bombs.   

> *Did you really think he was going to kill his daughter & grandkids for being 
> Jews?!!

Do you really think Trump would stop what he was doing because of moral 
considerations?!! If Trump thought ritual cannibalism would appeal to his base 
he'd give speeches in favor of ritual cannibalism, but it probably won't be 
Jews this time, something else will be in his crosshairs, like anybody who has 
ever said anything unflattering about him, or even anybody who showed a lack of 
enthusiasm for him. Trump has already said he  should have the right to sue 
anybody who says something bad about him even though he's the leader of the 
country. Do you really want to defend that idea, do you really wanna live in a 
banana republic?
I think the man has no principles except that of self-aggrandisement. Donald 
Trump would do ANYTHING if he believed it would bring him more power or money, 
if he thought Lenin and Stalin's path to power would work better for him than 
Hitler's then overnight Donald Trump would metamorphosize into a woke 
progressive, but the outcome would be just as nightmarish. 

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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[John Clark]

On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 9:07 PM  wrote:

*> Donny is the progressive obsession in which the fantasy is and was,
> another Adolf. He never was ever close to that*
>

Not even close to that?!  You see no similarities between January 6, 2021
when Trump staged an unsuccessful coup d'état and November 9, 1923 when
Hitler staged an unsuccessful coup d'éta? Hmm... now that I think about it
I realize it's silly of me to be surprised by your lack of outrage
concerning January 6, as you yourself have indicated in another post,
irrational ideologies (sorry, I'm being redundant) are not amenable to
logic.

*> No death camps, no nazism*
>

There were no Nazi death camps in 1923, you'd have to wait another decade
for that, but even in 1923 anybody with half a brain should've realized
that Adolf Hitler was not the sort of man you wanted to lead a powerful
country. And today the stakes are even higher because today we have H-bombs.


* > *Did you really think he was going to kill his daughter & grandkids for
> being Jews?!!*
>

Do you really think Trump would stop what he was doing because of moral
considerations?!! If Trump thought ritual cannibalism would appeal to his
base he'd give speeches in favor of ritual cannibalism, but it probably
won't be Jews this time, something else will be in his crosshairs, like
anybody who has ever said anything unflattering about him, or even anybody
who showed a lack of enthusiasm for him. Trump has already said he  should
have the right to sue anybody who says something bad about him even though
he's the leader of the country. Do you really want to defend that idea, do
you really wanna live in a banana republic?

I think the man has no principles except that of self-aggrandisement. Donald
Trump would do *ANYTHING* if he believed it would bring him more power or
money, if he thought Lenin and Stalin's path to power would work better for
him than Hitler's then overnight Donald Trump would metamorphosize into a
woke progressive, but the outcome would be just as nightmarish.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

nop

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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Donny is the progressive obsession in which the fantasy is and was, another 
Adolf. He never was ever close to that and now just looks like (to me) like a 
complainer (yeah really!) who couldn't punch back too hard on his political 
enemies. This ain't and never was old Adolf.
Wildest Emmy Moments - YouTube
No death camps, no nazism* (The BBC cracked the 'fine people on both sides edit 
that NBC did), no klansman at your door, just a guy who reduced unemployment 
enough, pre Covid, to start drawing a thin line of voters from the Blacks & 
Latinos exiting Right, and did mean Tweets.  You won't be running against the 
lad in 2024, so I suggest you gin up your material for Desantis. I suspect that 
by the time Joey gets done with us, a majority of voters will be saying, 
"Hitler=Trump, Desantis=Trump??!! "Yeah ok, now will he get us jobs?" 
Recession-ville, dream babies!

*Did you really think he was going to kill his daughter & grandkids for being 
Jews?!! By 1935 Nuremberg Laws they'd be judged as mischlinge, and not 
necessarily subject to the camps and theft anyways. 
For the electoral college we are as Cap'n Ahab whose harpoon lines have the 
captain entangled to the body of Moby Dick and in our case I do mean, dick. 
Thus, we the people are so ensnared, long before we were born. Actually, if we 
get QC and AI driving things, our situation could be more like Orson Welles 
finale' in Graham Greene's The 3rd Man.
The Third Man..The.Cuckoo Clock - YouTube
Or, as Bette Davis said in All About Even, "Strap yourselves in folks, we're 
going to be in for a bumpy ride.  Just remember, Bad Don is not the Captain. 
Joey is, maybe?

-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
Sent: Thu, Jun 30, 2022 10:28 am
Subject: Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 9:48 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:


> I am still a sort of Keynesian. 

You could've fooled me.  
> But the progressive left screws things up. Basically, it breaks down to 
> people who are socialist totalitarians(commies)  being contributed to by 
> super rich doyens who fund the party and candidates, in an exchange of cash 
> for influence. 

That sounds like a very good description of Donald Trump. And yes, woke 
progressives can be annoying but there is little danger of them staging a coup 
d'état or building concentration camps and stuffing people into ovens, but 
right wing dictators do both. Donald Trump's deepest desire is to become a 
right wing dictator, and on January 6, 2021 he came very close to achieving his 
dream. How on earth can any rational human being even talk about giving this 
semiliterate unstable catchup throwing steering wheel grabbing traitor the 
power to destroy the human race for another 4 years?!

 > Crime is 2nd only to inflation as a national concern

I know and that is totally irrational. Crime is a trivial problem compared with 
the possibility of nuclear war, the certain existence of non-nuclear war, 
pollution that kills millions of people each year, the Covid epidemic that has 
killed over 1 million Americans, the societal disruption that has been caused 
by technological advancement that will only increase, and the wealth gap that 
is not just growing but accelerating between 99.9% of human beings on the 
planet who are just rich and the dozen or so that are Super Ultra Mega Rich. 
Donald Trump is not Super Ultra Mega Rich although he likes to pretend he is, 
and if he wins the 2024 election (really wins I mean, regardless of the outcome 
he is certain to claim he won) then he certainly will become that rich and he 
will stay in power until the day he dies.  And the day after that Donald Junior 
will be coronated as King Donald II.
 John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
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RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[Philip Benjamin]

[Philip Benjamin]
" ... in American history ... " ? In what American history? The history 
that is deliberately NOT taught by WAMP-the-Ingrate? Under the pretext of 
"church-state-separation"? American history began with and for most part of 
known records remained as PURITAN HISTORY (which is essentially Church 
History). The change came with the dominance of Marxist, socialist, fascist 
pagan tyranny of the WAMP-the-Ingrate, primarily in the 60's and onwards 
accentuated by the recent collapse of the Marxism in the Soviets and subsequent 
infiltration by hardcore Marxists into the Western acade-media.
  The Non-sovereign Federation of the Sovereign States is NOT an atheistic, 
humanistic,  libertarian or Marxist-socialist or fascist or pagan IDEA!! It is 
a contribution from and to a "generation" of >98.8% Protestants, <1% Roman 
Catholics and < 0.2% Jews, whom the Koran will identify as the "people of the 
Book". In the 1700's the one and only largely accepted AUTHORITY for human  
affairs in the American Colonies was that Book. The Constitution and the 
general ethos it represented was a product of the historical and historic "Two 
Great Awakenings" First led by the prodigious Jonathan Edwards the founder of 
Princeton U and the Second by the President of Yale U,  for which the pagan 
Marxist Stalin had to "unconsciously" coin the term "American Exceptionalism" 
and which Nordic pagan Hitler "In 1940, Thought America Was Just "Beauty 
Queens, Millionaires, Stupid Records And Hollywood" 
(https://www.businessinsider.com/in-1940-hitler-thought-america-was-just-beauty-queens-millionaires-stupid-records-and-hollywood-2012-5).
Definition: WAMP = Western Acade-Media Pagan (ism), a parody of WASP.
Philip Benjamin PhD MSc MA
Nonconformist to Marxist socialist fascist pagan globalism.

 From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  
On Behalf Of Brent Meeker
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 4:25 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

Apparently.  Neither of my libertarian friends ever supported Trump.  One is an 
anarcho-libertarian lawyer who's big on all personal freedom including drugs, 
abortion, prostitution, anti-war,...  The other, the Republican, is in favor of 
open borders (but not citizenship) eliminating all regulation of doctors and 
medical treatment and considers taxes only justified for foreign defense.  He 
was a political activist who helped get California to adopt a non-partisan 
citizens committee for redistricting.  I did some mathematical analysis 
supporting him.

Brent
On 6/29/2022 11:55 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 2:46 PM Brent Meeker mailto:meekerbr...@gmail.com>  > wrote:

> Really?  I know a couple of libertarians, including a guy who used to be 
> chairman of the Republican Libertarian Caucus, they're 100% for abortion as 
> an individual right.

Sadly that has not been my experience, I know many who called them selves 
"libertarians" that are Trump supporters despite the fact that Trump is the 
most anti-libertarian president in American history, don't ask me why. But 
maybe you just hang around a better class of libertarians than I do.

 John K Clark

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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[John Clark]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 9:48 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

*> I am still a sort of Keynesian. *
>

You could've fooled me.


> *> But the progressive left screws things up. Basically, it breaks down to
> people who are socialist totalitarians(commies)  being contributed to by
> super rich doyens who fund the party and candidates, in an exchange of cash
> for influence. *
>

That sounds like a very good description of Donald Trump. And yes, woke
progressives can be annoying but there is little danger of them staging a
coup d'état or building concentration camps and stuffing people into ovens,
but right wing dictators do both. Donald Trump's deepest desire is to
become a right wing dictator, and on January 6, 2021 he came very close to
achieving his dream. How on earth can any rational human being even talk
about giving this semiliterate unstable catchup throwing steering wheel
grabbing traitor the power to destroy the human race for another 4 years?!

 > *Crime is 2nd only to inflation as a national concern*


I know and that is totally irrational. Crime is a trivial problem compared
with the possibility of nuclear war, the certain existence of non-nuclear
war, pollution that kills millions of people each year, the Covid epidemic
that has killed over 1 million Americans, the societal disruption that has
been caused by technological advancement that will only increase, and the
wealth gap that is not just growing but accelerating between 99.9% of human
beings on the planet who are just rich and the dozen or so that are Super
Ultra Mega Rich. Donald Trump is not Super Ultra Mega Rich although he
likes to pretend he is, and if he wins the 2024 election (really wins I
mean, regardless of the outcome he is certain to claim he won) then he
certainly will become that rich and he will stay in power until the day he
dies.  And the day after that Donald Junior will be coronated as King Donald
II.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

It could work Stathis, but we are now a woefully separated society. Not only 
this, but with open borders the Cartels have smuggled not only people, but 
Chinese fentanyl, and yes guns and rifles and ammo back and forth. The weapons 
get field-striped and shipped into the US, or, conversely back into Mexico. 
This is now an industry and an industry only partially interfered with by the 
government, as policy. Also, in the Guardian article it doesn't acknowledge the 
demand for firearms in the hood, nor, the US, where policies favor the thug. 
Get caught, get released because, you had a bad life! 

The Guardian article is about domestic violence where black women are killed 
with guns. Getting rid of the guns is an obvious solution.



-Original Message-
From: Stathis Papaioannou 
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jun 29, 2022 9:58 pm
Subject: Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College



On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 at 11:49, spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:

I am still a sort of Keynesian. But the progressive left screws things up. 
Basically, it breaks down to people who are socialist totalitarians(commies)  
being contributed to by super rich doyens who fund the party and candidates, in 
an exchange of cash for influence. 
Are we any better? Well part of the agreement of John Maynard Keynes was you 
big businesses make the cash, and we'll distribute a part of it to ensure 
societal stability. Societal stability produces an environment conducive to 
making mo' money, mo' money, mo' money, which something many of us like. So, 
we're whores like the rest of you. The checks from the American Petroleum 
Institute cash nicely as Tom Steyer's checks do. 
Mayor Lightfoot of Chicago and Di Blasio of NYC have not followed this 
understanding, and thus, an increase in crime is thus feeding my Team's 
popularity. Crime is 2nd only to inflation as a national concern. An example of 
this is how the Soros family (Huge DNC contributor) finds city elections for 
DA's who are very sympathetic to the plight of the criminal. This has increased 
crimes worryingly fast! Using The Guardian as a factoid rather than assaulting 
you two with Fox (the horror!).  

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/25/homicide-violence-against-black-women-us
and of course WaPo
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/08/crime-midterms-democrats/

If I was one of Joey's people I would advise him to announce a tough on crime 
thing and tell George to pipe down. But its not my place, and since I ain't 
dropping 500K in their laps why should they listen for even a second? 

Summary, is that simply getting pro-criminal DA's elected (an in the Party this 
works!) is not a wise idea. It has gotten much more people killed than 
otherwise, with a 'tough on crime' policy would have. 
For economics, I ponder what QC and AI will do? Will the algorithms of our 
dreams yield darkness or light? 
Yeah, blah bah blah

The Guardian article is about domestic violence where black women are killed 
with guns. Getting rid of the guns is an obvious solution.

From: John Clark 
To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
Sent: Wed, Jun 29, 2022 2:55 pm
Subject: Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 2:46 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:


> Really?  I know a couple of libertarians, including a guy who used to be 
> chairman of the Republican Libertarian Caucus, they're 100% for abortion as 
> an individual right.

Sadly that has not been my experience, I know many who called them selves 
"libertarians" that are Trump supporters despite the fact that Trump is the 
most anti-libertarian president in American history, don't ask me why. But 
maybe you just hang around a better class of libertarians than I do. 
 John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
8c1



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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[Stathis Papaioannou]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 at 11:49, spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I am still a sort of Keynesian. But the progressive left screws things up.
> Basically, it breaks down to people who are socialist
> totalitarians(commies)  being contributed to by super rich doyens who fund
> the party and candidates, in an exchange of cash for influence.
>
> Are we any better? Well part of the agreement of John Maynard Keynes was
> you big businesses make the cash, and we'll distribute a part of it to
> ensure societal stability. Societal stability produces an environment
> conducive to making mo' money, mo' money, mo' money, which something many
> of us like. So, we're whores like the rest of you. The checks from the
> American Petroleum Institute cash nicely as Tom Steyer's checks do.
>
> Mayor Lightfoot of Chicago and Di Blasio of NYC have not followed this
> understanding, and thus, an increase in crime is thus feeding my Team's
> popularity. Crime is 2nd only to inflation as a national concern. An
> example of this is how the Soros family (Huge DNC contributor) finds city
> elections for DA's who are very sympathetic to the plight of the criminal.
> This has increased crimes worryingly fast! Using The Guardian as a factoid
> rather than assaulting you two with Fox (the horror!).
>
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/25/homicide-violence-against-black-women-us
>
> and of course WaPo
>
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/08/crime-midterms-democrats/
>
> If I was one of Joey's people I would advise him to announce a tough on
> crime thing and tell George to pipe down. But its not my place, and since I
> ain't dropping 500K in their laps why should they listen for even a second?
>
>
> Summary, is that simply getting pro-criminal DA's elected (an in the Party
> this works!) is not a wise idea. It has gotten much more people killed than
> otherwise, with a 'tough on crime' policy would have.
>
> For economics, I ponder what QC and AI will do? Will the algorithms of our
> dreams yield darkness or light?
>
> Yeah, blah bah blah
>

The Guardian article is about domestic violence where black women are
killed with guns. Getting rid of the guns is an obvious solution.

From: John Clark 
> To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
> Sent: Wed, Jun 29, 2022 2:55 pm
> Subject: Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 2:46 PM Brent Meeker 
> wrote:
>
> *> Really?  I know a couple of libertarians, including a guy who used to
> be chairman of the Republican Libertarian Caucus, they're 100% for abortion
> as an individual right.*
>
>
> Sadly that has not been my experience, I know many who called them selves
> "libertarians" that are Trump supporters despite the fact that Trump is the
> most anti-libertarian president in American history, don't ask me why. But
> maybe you just hang around a better class of libertarians than I do.
>
>  John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>
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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

I am still a sort of Keynesian. But the progressive left screws things up. 
Basically, it breaks down to people who are socialist totalitarians(commies)  
being contributed to by super rich doyens who fund the party and candidates, in 
an exchange of cash for influence. 
Are we any better? Well part of the agreement of John Maynard Keynes was you 
big businesses make the cash, and we'll distribute a part of it to ensure 
societal stability. Societal stability produces an environment conducive to 
making mo' money, mo' money, mo' money, which something many of us like. So, 
we're whores like the rest of you. The checks from the American Petroleum 
Institute cash nicely as Tom Steyer's checks do. 
Mayor Lightfoot of Chicago and Di Blasio of NYC have not followed this 
understanding, and thus, an increase in crime is thus feeding my Team's 
popularity. Crime is 2nd only to inflation as a national concern. An example of 
this is how the Soros family (Huge DNC contributor) finds city elections for 
DA's who are very sympathetic to the plight of the criminal. This has increased 
crimes worryingly fast! Using The Guardian as a factoid rather than assaulting 
you two with Fox (the horror!).  

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/25/homicide-violence-against-black-women-us
and of course WaPo
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/08/crime-midterms-democrats/

If I was one of Joey's people I would advise him to announce a tough on crime 
thing and tell George to pipe down. But its not my place, and since I ain't 
dropping 500K in their laps why should they listen for even a second? 

Summary, is that simply getting pro-criminal DA's elected (an in the Party this 
works!) is not a wise idea. It has gotten much more people killed than 
otherwise, with a 'tough on crime' policy would have. 
For economics, I ponder what QC and AI will do? Will the algorithms of our 
dreams yield darkness or light? 
Yeah, blah bah blah
From: John Clark 
To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
Sent: Wed, Jun 29, 2022 2:55 pm
Subject: Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 2:46 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:


> Really?  I know a couple of libertarians, including a guy who used to be 
> chairman of the Republican Libertarian Caucus, they're 100% for abortion as 
> an individual right.

Sadly that has not been my experience, I know many who called them selves 
"libertarians" that are Trump supporters despite the fact that Trump is the 
most anti-libertarian president in American history, don't ask me why. But 
maybe you just hang around a better class of libertarians than I do. 
 John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
8c1



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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

I am suspecting that it is one of my Team who just doesn't want to pay taxes 
and doesn't care about things unless affected personally? I don't blame the 
guy, but my thing is investing the citizens cash into R so as to have an 
economic and societal payoff at the end of research and once the tech hits 
production. This'd be my method for all problems. Call this a fetish. 
We should solve abortion via artificial wombs (as an industry!) and call it a 
womb with a view. This proposal will piss off both Right to Life & Feminists 
because its a solution that doesn't render anyone power, which is what is 
behind the "faith" of each side. 

In this fashion I know I have done right. and I close with, Chow Mein!

-Original Message-
From: Brent Meeker 
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jun 29, 2022 2:46 pm
Subject: Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

 
 
 On 6/29/2022 4:55 AM, John Clark wrote:
  
In their dissenting court decision Justices Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and 
Elena Kagan wrote:   
   "Never before had the court rescinded an individual right and left it up to 
the states whether to respect what had once been anchored in the Constitution. 
After today young women will come of age with fewer rights than their mothers 
and grandmothers had. The majority’s refusal even to consider the life-altering 
consequences of reversing Roe and Casey is a stunning indictment of its 
decision. The majority has overruled Roe and Casey for one and only one reason: 
because it has always despised them, and now it has the votes to discard them. 
The majority thereby substitutes a rule by judges for the rule of law.” 
  It's very hard to believe anybody who calls himself a "libertarian" would 
agree with this court decision, but the fact is many, perhaps most, do.
 
 Really?  I know a couple of libertarians, including a guy who used to be 
chairman of the Republican Libertarian Caucus, they're 100% for abortion as an 
individual right.
 
 Brent
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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

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As many democrats deride, most of the Libertarians are just republicans who 
don't want to pay taxes. I concur with this assessment and also understand why, 
because much of the democratic policies only seek to reward their own voting 
base at the expense of the rest of the country.  What is often quoted from John 
Adams, "We are a nation of laws, not men", I'd differ with that statement and 
say, we are a nation governed by the rule of lawyers who become politicians. To 
win, these lawyers take campaign donations from the richest people. 
 
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/04/16/The-US-is-not-a-democracy-but-an-oligarchy-study-concludes/2761397680051/
On Abortion itself, for a bunch of science fans we ain't too smart in 
innovation. At this point, we could do fetus transfer to an incubator, instead 
of resolving things by either religion or ideology, we go technology. Make 
abortion into something else.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-50056405
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jun/27/parents-can-look-foetus-real-time-artificial-wombs-future
https://thenextweb.com/news/ethereum-founder-vitalik-buterin-wants-synthetic-wombs

I mean Planned Parenthood could switch biz models and perform life saving to 
adoption. If not adoption, then, yeah, foster homes, or yeah, even orphanages. 
Seems a better path for humanity than sticking to abortion, ethically speaking. 
On changing the way election wins get decided, cuts to the question, are we 
even a nation state anymore, because name one thing we agree on? If not John, 
why should we obey your guys ideology of open borders, with the immigrants of 
course being  future (D) party voters, whether legal or not? This is a thing 
with the (D) 
party-https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/n-y-supreme-court-strikes-down-nyc-law-granting-voting-rights-to-noncitizen-residents/

Got struck down by Judges again. Which cuts to your lament on elections and 
judges and...





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From: John Clark 
To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
Sent: Wed, Jun 29, 2022 7:55 am
Subject: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

So, the Supreme Court decided the constitution, which was written more than a 
century before women had the right to vote, does NOT give the federal 
government the power to grant women autonomy over their own bodies, BUT, they 
claim, the constitution DOES guarantee state governments have the power to deny 
individual women that right that they'd had for the last 50 years. In their 
dissenting court decision Justices Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena 
Kagan wrote: 
"Never before had the court rescinded an individual right and left it up to the 
states whether to respect what had once been anchored in the Constitution. 
After today young women will come of age with fewer rights than their mothers 
and grandmothers had. The majority’s refusal even to consider the life-altering 
consequences of reversing Roe and Casey is a stunning indictment of its 
decision. The majority has overruled Roe and Casey for one and only one reason: 
because it has always despised them, and now it has the votes to discard them. 
The majority thereby substitutes a rule by judges for the rule of law.”
It's very hard to believe anybody who calls himself a "libertarian" would agree 
with this court decision, but the fact is many, perhaps most, do. And that 
illustrates why I no longer feel comfortable calling myself a libertarian. But 
bad as it is, considering our screwy Electoral College system a crazy decision 
like this is not the slightest bit surprising. Donald Trump appointed 3 of the 
6 who made this decision and all 6 were appointed by Anti-democratic presidents 
who ran on political party platforms that vowed they would appoint judges that 
would overturn Roe versus Wade. And 6 of the 9 judges on the Supreme Court were 
appointed by Anti-democratic presidents even though Democrats won the popular 
vote in 7 of the last 8 presidential elections. In addition to this most recent 
court decision we can thank the Electoral College for George W. Bush, the Iraq 
War, phantom "weapons of mass destruction", and thousands of American war dead. 
We can also thank the Electoral College for Donald Trump, a stunningly inept 
Covid response, and hundreds of thousands of unnecessary American deaths.  And 
oh I almost forgot, we can also thank the Electoral College for a failed coup 
d'état attempt.

As I said, none of this is surprising, but what is surprising is that those six 
Anti-democratic judges still called themselves "conservatives". I always 
thought the general definition of being "conservative " meant you wanted to 
keep doing things pretty much the same way things have always been done, but 
those six Anti-democratic judges decreed there will be a radical change in the 
way we've dealt with abortions for the last half century and strongly hinted 
they may criminalize homosexuality and even birth control in the near future. 
And yet in 

Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[Brent Meeker]

Apparently.  Neither of my libertarian friends ever supported Trump.  
One is an anarcho-libertarian lawyer who's big on all personal freedom 
including drugs, abortion, prostitution, anti-war,...  The other, the 
Republican, is in favor of open borders (but not citizenship) 
eliminating all regulation of doctors and medical treatment and 
considers taxes only justified for foreign defense.  He was a political 
activist who helped get California to adopt a non-partisan citizens 
committee for redistricting.  I did some mathematical analysis 
supporting him.


Brent

On 6/29/2022 11:55 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 2:46 PM Brent Meeker  
wrote:


/> Really? I know a couple of libertarians, including a guy who
used to be chairman of the Republican Libertarian Caucus, they're
100% for abortion as an individual right./


Sadly that has not been my experience,I know many who called them 
selves "libertarians" that are Trump supporters despite the fact that 
Trump is the most anti-libertarian president in American history, 
don't ask me why. But maybe you just hang around a better class of 
libertarians than I do.


 John K Clark    See what's on my new list at Extropolis 


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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

[Brent Meeker]

On 6/29/2022 4:55 AM, John Clark wrote:
In their dissenting court decisionJustices Stephen Breyer, Sonia 
Sotomayor and Elena Kagan wrote:


"/Never before had the court rescinded an individual right and left it 
up to the states whether to respect what had once been anchored in the 
Constitution. After today young women will come of age with fewer 
rights than their mothers and grandmothers had. The majority’s refusal 
even to consider the life-altering consequences of reversing Roe and 
Casey is a stunning indictment of its decision. The majority has 
overruled Roe and Casey for one and only one reason: because it has 
always despised them, and now it has the votes to discard them. The 
majority thereby substitutes a rule by judges for the rule of law.”/


It's very hard to believe anybody who calls himself a "libertarian" 
would agree with this court decision, but the fact is many, perhaps 
most, do.


Really?  I know a couple of libertarians, including a guy who used to be 
chairman of the Republican Libertarian Caucus, they're 100% for abortion 
as an individual right.


Brent

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