Re: Turing Machines Have no Real Time Clock (Was The Game of Life)
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turing Machines have no real time clock ... If we assume the comp hypothesis (purely based on Turing machines) and the anthropic principle, then the flow of consciousness can only be constrained by the logical nature of the links pernitting transitions from one observer moment to the next. Time therefore is an illusion derived from such a logical flow. Please!!! Of course Turing Machines have clocks [...] But they don't have REAL TIME CLOCKS, Jacques You know the kind that tells computers the time of day and the date... OK, so you admit time is real but unknown. I guess your illusion claim was due to schitzophrenia on your part. = - - - - - - - Jacques Mallah ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Physicist / Many Worlder / Devil's Advocate I know what no one else knows - 'Runaway Train', Soul Asylum My URL: http://hammer.prohosting.com/~mathmind/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: Turing Machines Have no Real Time Clock (Was The Game of Life)
In a message dated 05/21/2000 3:21:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turing Machines have no real time clock and no interrupt. If we assume the comp hypothesis (purely based on Turing machines) and the anthropic principle, then the flow of consciousness can only be constrained by the logical nature of the links pernitting transitions from one observer moment to the next. Time therefore is an illusion derived from such a logical flow. I just noticed this claim that TMs are not clocked, and as far as I could tell it is self evidently false, so I don't see how someone could make it. The very definition of a TM involves actions of the head at each clock step. Please!!! Of course Turing Machines have clocks They perform their operations sequentially and need a clock signal to move from one step to the next. The duration between the clock pulses can vary and can be entirely arbitrary, one picosecond or ten milleniums. But they don't have REAL TIME CLOCKS, Jacques You know the kind that tells computers the time of day and the date... And of course they also don't have interrupts! George
Re: Turing Machines Have no Real Time Clock (Was The Game of Life)
In a message dated 01/13/2000 5:58:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who say's the world is quantized? If the world was not quantized the comp hypothesis would not hold. In fact, It would be impossible for physical constants to have any definite value, since there would not be any reference to anchor them with. George Levy
Turing Machines Have no Real Time Clock (Was The Game of Life)
Turing Machines have no real time clock and no interrupt. If we assume the comp hypothesis (purely based on Turing machines) and the anthropic principle, then the flow of consciousness can only be constrained by the logical nature of the links pernitting transitions from one observer moment to the next. Time therefore is an illusion derived from such a logical flow. Having said that, I am puzzled by the fundamental quantization of the world and the constancy of Planck's constant everywhere and at all time. To achieve such a universal clock we could assume: 1) either that at the heart of the comp hypothesis there exist a large number of Turing machines all requiring a real time clock responsible for this quantization. This implies a weakening of comp and the assumption that time is real. I do not favor this explanation. 2) or that all events in our universe share the same (identical) mechanism for transition from observer moment to the next. In other words we all realized (or simulated) by the same Turing machine (or otherwise equivalent CPU). All physical time intervals are defined according to the cycle time/interval of this single machine which is generating not just our universe, but our Multiverse (all the universes accessible through QM. ) This cycle time corresponds to Planck constant which is absolute in the sense that it defines our own frame of reference. So, (relatively speaking,) from our point of view it appears to be absolute. From the point of view of an observer outside our Multiverse, its actual value could be very small or very large. BTW, the existence of the same types of particles (electrons, photons...) across the Multiverse indicate the existence of a common implementation that goes beyond just a common Turing machine cycle time. In other words, some of the basic software across the Multiverse is also identical. i.e., the basic driver software Version 1.0 for electrons is identical across the Multiverse. This lead to the possibility that the QM Multiverse the Plenitude George Levy
