Re: [Evolution-hackers] Panel notification applet (bug #127516) C interface
On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 11:41:29AM +0800, Not Zed wrote: Hi Plzik, On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 12:35 +0200, Plzik Milan wrote: Hi:) A few days ago I started writig the email panel notification applet. I'd like to ask a few questions about the notification applet class interface. (there is a request in bugzilla that it would be nice to hook other things into it (comment #5) - f.x. for calendar notifications (#8)). Well, we already have a mostly finished crack at this bug from Miguel Angel Lopez Hernandez. We are really only waiting for 2.0 to get out the door before we can commit it, since 2.0 code is in feature freeze. It just needs some minor changes to fit in with the plugin architecture. So keep that in mind with the comments below. With the plugin system its possible to have both running anyway; of course it would help if the plugin stuff was finished but unfortunately it is still work in progress. I think I'll stop fixing this bug, I would just do duplicate work. Anyway, I think the acceptance of patch (even if waiting for code freeze) should be mentioned in the bugzilla some way. Thanks for advices, anyway. OT: My first name is Milan, surname Plzik. But at our school, everyone has his/her name in format surname name. I don't know why ... Milan Plzik P.S.: I think this is not my last email to this list. GNOME programming makes quite fun, so I'll try to find another bounty to fix:) ___ evolution-hackers maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
[Evolution-hackers] ssl always/when-possible/never etc proposal
Since there was confusion again today on the difference between always/whenever-possible, I guess it's a good time to bring this up. I was thinking in the future, we could re-work the UI for the SSL options to look something more like this: This would make the backend logic a little simpler too, because we would haven't try and guess which SSL method to use based on trial-and-error. DanW suggested that we default to Whenever Possible rather than Never when we get around to changing the UI. this'd require some changes to all of the remote mail providers (smtp, imap, pop, nntp, etc) but I don't think it'd take more than a day or 2 to make the necessary code changes and test everything. it'd also require an additional setting option in the uri/e-account stuff, but that should be trivial to add too? Jeff -- Jeffrey Stedfast Evolution Hacker - Novell, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.novell.com evo-ssl.png Description: Binary data smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [Evolution-hackers] ssl always/when-possible/never etc proposal
On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 16:06 -0400, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: Since there was confusion again today on the difference between always/whenever-possible, I guess it's a good time to bring this up. I was thinking in the future, we could re-work the UI for the SSL options to look something more like this: Use SSL: [Whenever Possible] [ ] This server uses the SSL port rather than STARTTLS Most users will have no clue what that means though. This would make the backend logic a little simpler too, because we would haven't try and guess which SSL method to use based on trial- and-error. It would be nice if it could just try both possibilities the first time you connect and then just remember (in gconf) which one worked, and use that in the future. The same thing could be done for authentication type. Instead of making the user choose between plaintext and CRAM-MD5 and NTLM and LOGIN, just assign a strength level to each SASL type, and have the provider try each of the available ones in decreasing order of strength until one of them works (only throwing CANT_AUTHENTICATE if they all fail). Then remember the one that works and use that in the future. (This is bug 10522.) -- Dan ___ evolution-hackers maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
Re: [Improved patch!] Was: Re: [Evolution-hackers] [PATCH] Fix OpenSSL certificate validation in Evolution (1.4.4 and 1.4.6)
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: the OpenSSL code no longer even compiles and is no lonegr available in configure.in. that said, I'll add that function call if for some reason this code is ever revived, but that is highly doubtful. Great, thank you. Best regards, Anton On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 06:45 +0100, Anton Altaparmakov wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2004, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 05:05, Anton Altaparmakov wrote: On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 09:07, Frederic Crozat wrote: Le jeu 19/08/2004 à 09:54, Anton Altaparmakov a écrit : Further to my previous post, here is a much improved and this time final patch replacing the previous one (attached). It changes the call from: SSL_CTX_load_verify_locations(ssl_ctx, NULL, /etc/ssl/certs); to: SSL_CTX_set_default_verify_paths(ssl_ctx); Which asks the OpenSSL library to use the default path for the certificates (configured at compile time when building openssl so on each distribution it can be different, for suse it is /etc/ssl/certs and for redhat it is /usr/share/ssl I am told). This thus removes the hardcoded /etc/ssl/certs and is hence much better and always going to work on a system with a properly installed openssl library. I know at least some of you Ximian Developers don't like OpenSSL, but other people, in particular distributions like it, and you will find that distros always compile evolution with openssl support, like it or not. It also happens to work beautifully with my patch so why not include it? If you don't use openssl fine, but at least allow everyone else to use it without having to apply a patch first... Thank you. Ahem, I think at least RH, Mdk and Debian are not using OpenSSL enabled Evolution. You should check facts before writing such claims.. Well, having just checked RedHat 9.0 I can tell you for a fact that both RedHat 9.0 and SuSE 9.0/9.1 all use OpenSSL for their Evolution builds. That covers the two largest distributions so my statement was not wrong. OpenSSL is *only* used by OpenLDAP in those distributions. SuSE (which, Sorry but this is wrong. Both RedHat 9 and SuSE 9.x Evolution RPMS use OpenSSL and NOT Mozilla-NSS. That is how they are built and that is how they work. Look at the source and binary rpms, look at what the binary rpms depend on, use strace to see what libraries are loaded on evolution startup. I _have_ done all this and guess what, OpenSSL is used. Also, if you were right, how can you explain that adding my patch fixes the certificates problem when using SuSE 9.0 (I haven't managed to compile the SuSE 9.1 source rpm for evolution 1.4.6 on SuSE 9.1 yet!), even though it only touches the Evolution OpenSSL code? btw, is part of Novell) uses Mozilla-NSS, as does RedHat 9.0, Fedora Core 1 2, and Mandrake. I know Ximian and SuSE are now Novell. We have a full sitelicense for Novell (because of using Netware extensively) and hence are probably going to get all Ximian and SuSE products for free. (-: (Novell are still debating exactly what to do there... So far we know we have full sitelicenses for the SuSE OpenExchange server but we are waiting to hear about the rest.) OpenSSL will not work for more than just what your patch covers (I'll look it over on monday) - for starters, the code is unmaintained and doesn't even compile anymore. Makes Evolution 1.4.4 work anyway... Best regards, Anton -- Anton Altaparmakov aia21 at cam.ac.uk (replace at with @) Unix Support, Computing Service, University of Cambridge, CB2 3QH, UK Linux NTFS maintainer / IRC: #ntfs on irc.freenode.net WWW: http://linux-ntfs.sf.net/ http://www-stu.christs.cam.ac.uk/~aia21/
Re: [Evolution-hackers] Panel notification applet (bug #127516) C interface
On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 18:58 +0200, Plzik Milan wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 11:41:29AM +0800, Not Zed wrote: Hi Plzik, On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 12:35 +0200, Plzik Milan wrote: Hi:) A few days ago I started writig the email panel notification applet. I'd like to ask a few questions about the notification applet class interface. (there is a request in bugzilla that it would be nice to hook other things into it (comment #5) - f.x. for calendar notifications (#8)). Well, we already have a mostly finished crack at this bug from Miguel Angel Lopez Hernandez. We are really only waiting for 2.0 to get out the door before we can commit it, since 2.0 code is in feature freeze. It just needs some minor changes to fit in with the plugin architecture. So keep that in mind with the comments below. With the plugin system its possible to have both running anyway; of course it would help if the plugin stuff was finished but unfortunately it is still work in progress. I think I'll stop fixing this bug, I would just do duplicate work. Anyway, I think the acceptance of patch (even if waiting for code freeze) should be mentioned in the bugzilla some way. Thanks for advices, anyway. Ok, sorry about any work you did on this. Its really up to the contributors themselves to update the bugs or even 'own' them like the rest of the developers do, although i don't know if any have been very good at it. OT: My first name is Milan, surname Plzik. But at our school, everyone has his/her name in format surname name. I don't know why ... Sorry Milan! P.S.: I think this is not my last email to this list. GNOME programming makes quite fun, so I'll try to find another bounty to fix:) Cool, I hope the plugin stuff will make adding things to evolution itself a lot easier too. -- Michael Zucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] born to die, live to work, it's all downhill from here Novell's Evolution and Free Software Developer attachment: zed-48.small.jpg
Re: [Evolution-hackers] ssl always/when-possible/never etc proposal
On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 16:06 -0400, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: Since there was confusion again today on the difference between always/whenever-possible, I guess it's a good time to bring this up. I was thinking in the future, we could re-work the UI for the SSL options to look something more like this: This would make the backend logic a little simpler too, because we would haven't try and guess which SSL method to use based on trial-and-error. This seems very technical/meaningless, i dont even know what it means. IMHO we should have SSL and TLS separated, they're different. whenver possible makes absolutely zero sense technically or visibly since it doesn't relate to what it appears to be at face value. i.e. something to the effect of: Security: None / TLS / SSL which is what we really mean. Users will NEVER understand the difference since the system is ill-defined and ambiguous to start with. But having 'ssl' when we really mean 'tls' will never help. If we use the ssl port rather than starttls then we're doing ssl, not tls. I think adding another option will just make it more confusing, it should be in the dropdown menu. DanW suggested that we default to Whenever Possible rather than Never when we get around to changing the UI. this'd require some changes to all of the remote mail providers (smtp, imap, pop, nntp, etc) but I don't think it'd take more than a day or 2 to make the necessary code changes and test everything. it'd also require an additional setting option in the uri/e-account stuff, but that should be trivial to add too? Jeff -- Jeffrey Stedfast Evolution Hacker - Novell, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.novell.com -- Michael Zucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] born to die, live to work, it's all downhill from here Novell's Evolution and Free Software Developer attachment: zed-48.small.jpg evo-ssl.png Description: Binary data
Re: [Evolution] Exporting addressbook
Am Sonntag, den 22.08.2004, 23:04 -0500 schrieb Jerry Sloan: Is it possible to export my contact list to a csv file? hi jerry, mark all your contacts (e.g. by ctrl+a) and then select save as vcf file from the main menu. cheers, andre -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | failed! http://www.iomc.de signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: [Evolution] Exporting addressbook
Is it possible to export my contact list to a csv file?
mark all your contacts (e.g. by ctrl+a) and then select save as vcf
file from the main menu.
Which will save in VCard (vcf) rather than the desired Comma Separated
Value (csv) format...
'$prefix/libexec/evolution/1.5' advertises to be able to export to csv
format, although it failed for ma on a quick test. See --help for more
options.
As you are using Evolution 1.4.6, simply check if this tool is in your
path (it was for me) or you will need to adjust the path to the
executable.
Beside this, there are likely a couple of tools out there which can
convert vcf to csv format. If your target tool/application doesn't
handle VCard files natively.
HTH
...guenther
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Re: [Evolution] problem with red carpet and a proxy
You can grab any needed packages from the Ximian FTP server directly and
install it using 'rpm' -- if Ximian provides packages for your distro.
If not (and it doesn't look like it to me), you are left to RH's
updates...
Doesn't appear to have anything for RH Enterprise, and unfortunately,
the only updates that I can find from RH are for security updates.
Guenther, thanks for your response.
You're welcome.
What's the version you want to upgrade to, anyways? You are currently
using 1.4.5, latest stable version is 1.4.6 -- 1.5.x versions are still
development releases, which likely will not be released for RH
Enterprise Workstation. 2.0.0 will be the next stable major release.
You might want to have a look at the 1.4.6 release notes to see, if it
fixes any issues you encounter:
http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/release_notes/1.4.6.shtml
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Re: [Evolution] Forward Attachments
On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 19:02 +0200, guenther wrote: And the origin of any attachment will be clear without confusion. Thanks. this actually explains it better. I tried to explain this more than once... ;) You even can set Forwarding as Attachment as default forwarding action in the Settings. Just for my understanding... Was this changed in 1.5 from 1.4.6. Dunno when exactly the attachment handling changed. But IIRC it where only minor changes, most of the logic still is the same as it was for a couple of versions. I am just a little use to the way Outlook did things and I thought that 1.4.6. use to do it in a format where text forward/replies were inline while attachments always moved with the mail. This is apparently not (no longer) the case. Why is that? I already expressed my opinion about attachment handling... It doesn't make any sense at all to resend attachments when replying -- cause the one you are replying to just sent you the very same attachment. So why would I want to send it back? When forwarding inline/quoted, the origin of attachments simply is not clear. Whereas forwarding as attachment leaves the original mail entirely unaltered and isn't ambiguous about the origin of any attachment. Forwarding as Attachment is the way to go, IMHO. ...guenther This clarified what I needed. It makes sense once it is explained. Hold over thought process from my MS Outlook days. Thanks, ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Exporting addressbook
Am Montag, den 23.08.2004, 17:41 +0200 schrieb guenther: Is it possible to export my contact list to a csv file? mark all your contacts (e.g. by ctrl+a) and then select save as vcf file from the main menu. Which will save in VCard (vcf) rather than the desired Comma Separated Value (csv) format... hi guenther, right like always... :-) i should have read the message a few more times than i actually did before answering it. that means no more answering user questions directly after coming home from work, andre! ;-) thanks, andre -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | failed! http://www.iomc.de signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
[Evolution] Replying -- Add an additional line ?
When replying to email, the cursor/prompt is immediately at the O of ::: On Mon, 2004-08-23 Is there a way to insert an additional line break so instead you get::: cursor On Mon,.. vice::: cursorOn Mon, Thanks, TroyC ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Replying -- Add an additional line ?
When replying to email, the cursor/prompt is immediately at the O of :::
On Mon, 2004-08-23
Is there a way to insert an additional line break so instead you get:::
cursor
On Mon,..
vice:::
cursorOn Mon,
Nope. Unfortunately, this string is hardcoded in current versions --
hardcoded with the implied meaning of different strings for different
locales, that is.
There is no way to customize this string in any way including line
breaks and cursor positions ATM, short of patching and re-compiling.
This has been discussed some times already, and a custom setting for
this probably will be an option in Evolution -- eventually...
To counter any discussion regarding top posting and friends: Please see
the archived flame wars first, before going that route... ;-)
...guenther
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Re: [Evolution] POP3 not downloading all messages
On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 10:52 +0800, Not Zed wrote: There are two alternatives: 1. don't do this, but then you get duplicate downloads. on a really flakey connection you may never (in a practical sense) get all your mail and get lots of duplicates. 2. delete the old ones always. this assumes we can trust the info, otherwise you could remove non-duplicate mails. I'm leaning toward 2, but it complicates the code a bit. The only problem is it looks to me that these mails were never downloaded. Of the 22, I read three on the web which I want to save by downloading them and archiving. The others I never read. Paul Huntsville, AL
Re: [Evolution] POP3 not downloading all messages
On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 22:43 -0500, Paul Harouff wrote: On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 10:52 +0800, Not Zed wrote: There are two alternatives: 1. don't do this, but then you get duplicate downloads. on a really flakey connection you may never (in a practical sense) get all your mail and get lots of duplicates. 2. delete the old ones always. this assumes we can trust the info, otherwise you could remove non-duplicate mails. I'm leaning toward 2, but it complicates the code a bit. The only problem is it looks to me that these mails were never downloaded. Of the 22, I read three on the web which I want to save by downloading them and archiving. The others I never read. I should also mention that I am job hunting and some of these messages were from head-hunters that I did not read for over a week because they didn't download. You should always default to being conservative. It's always safer to get a duplicate e-mail than to lose a potential job opportunity. I WOULD STOP USING EVOLUTION IF IT EVER STARTED AUTOMATICALLY DELETING MESSAGES. I even check the Junk directory before deleting spam -- just to be sure. Duplicate e-mails are a pain, but lost e-mails are worse. Paul Huntsville, AL
[Evolution] What Do I Do Now (was POP3 not downloading all messages)
On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 22:43 -0500, Paul Harouff wrote: On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 10:52 +0800, Not Zed wrote: There are two alternatives: 1. don't do this, but then you get duplicate downloads. on a really flakey connection you may never (in a practical sense) get all your mail and get lots of duplicates. 2. delete the old ones always. this assumes we can trust the info, otherwise you could remove non-duplicate mails. I'm leaning toward 2, but it complicates the code a bit. The only problem is it looks to me that these mails were never downloaded. Of the 22, I read three on the web which I want to save by downloading them and archiving. The others I never read. Sorry, I should get all my thoughts completed before pressing send. Now that we know the possible cause, what do I do now. The messages are stuck on the server and I want to get them downloaded. Paul
Re: [Evolution] POP3 not downloading all messages
sounds like the exact same problem Nat had, turns out that the problem was that webmail somehow marked the message as no longer available for POP download and thus was not an Evolution bug (evolution couldn't even see it). I suspect your problem is identical. Jeff On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 23:56, Paul Harouff wrote: On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 22:43 -0500, Paul Harouff wrote: On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 10:52 +0800, Not Zed wrote: There are two alternatives: 1. don't do this, but then you get duplicate downloads. on a really flakey connection you may never (in a practical sense) get all your mail and get lots of duplicates. 2. delete the old ones always. this assumes we can trust the info, otherwise you could remove non-duplicate mails. I'm leaning toward 2, but it complicates the code a bit. The only problem is it looks to me that these mails were never downloaded. Of the 22, I read three on the web which I want to save by downloading them and archiving. The others I never read. I should also mention that I am job hunting and some of these messages were from head-hunters that I did not read for over a week because they didn't download. You should always default to being conservative. It's always safer to get a duplicate e-mail than to lose a potential job opportunity. I WOULD STOP USING EVOLUTION IF IT EVER STARTED AUTOMATICALLY DELETING MESSAGES. I even check the Junk directory before deleting spam -- just to be sure. Duplicate e-mails are a pain, but lost e-mails are worse. Paul Huntsville, AL ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
