Re: [Evolution] What's New in Evolution 3.6
Dear Matthew, Am Mittwoch, den 19.09.2012, 10:13 -0400 schrieb Matthew Barnes: I've never been very good about posting release announcements, but Evolution 3.6.0 is set to be released next week and it's a pretty big release for us. I just wanted to highlight a couple major changes so you know what to expect. thank you very much for the announcement. Such things are much appreciated. I know they take quite some time to write, but it is time well spent. Hello, WebKit! -- We're in the process of abandoning our ancient HTML renderer (GtkHtml) for WebKit/GTK+. We're spreading this across two releases just because it's such a large workload. Dan Vrátil did most of the WebKit porting and he's an absolute superhero for doing so. Evolution 3.6 will render received mail using WebKit/GTK+. That means HTML mails containing CSS will finally be displayed correctly, since our old HTML renderer had no CSS support. The email composer in Evolution 3.6 will still use GtkHtml, but Dan already has a branch ready to merge which ports the composer to WebKit, so we'll spend the entire 3.7 development cycle testing that and shaking out the bugs in time for Evolution 3.8 next spring. A more official statement than Andre’s reply to my message [1] about the security implications would be nice. Goodbye GConf! -- […] Evolution 3.6 will move your account data to plain text files which live in $HOME/.config/evolution/sources. Evolution-Data-Server 3.6 will also introduce a new D-Bus service which will serve these files to Evolution, GNOME Contacts, GNOME Shell and any other E-D-S client, and also handle various other miscellaneous chores like talking to GNOME Online Accounts and cleaning up old data after you delete an account. It would be great if that migration stuff is a separate so people can test that beforehand for example. Could you please point to some write up in the source or a Wiki explaining the new format. For example also how passwords are stored. […] Smaller Development Team And now for some sad news. Since Evolution 3.4 was released we've had a significant reduction in our development team. SUSE decided to cut all funding of Evolution development and reassigned its (formerly Novell) Evolution developers elsewhere. That leaves just myself, Milan Crha and Dan Vrátil (all Red Hatters). However Dan is in the process transitioning over to Red Hat's KDE team, leaving myself and Milan as the only remaining full time developers for the moment. Red Hat does have an open position in the Brno, Czech Republic office for a new full-time Evolution developer [1], if anyone is interested. Unfortunately this staff reduction caused a few software causalities: * Evolution-GroupWise is now unmaintained and will not see a 3.6 release. The SUSE team had been maintaining this prior to their reassignment, and unfortunately we just don't have adequate resources to keep it going. If anyone would like to take over maintainership, I'd be happy to assist with getting the module back up to speed. * Evolution-Exchange is also cut for the same reasons. That's the old Ximian Connector, which talks to Exchange 2003 via Outlook Web Access but doesn't work with Exchange 2007 or later. For Exchange integration, most of our development focus is now on the Exchange Web Services module (Evolution-EWS), but Evolution-MAPI is still being maintained since it works with Exchange 2003 as well as 2007 and 2010. With only two full-time developers left, we just felt that maintaining three different Microsoft Exchange backends was getting ridiculous and was not the best use of our time. Are the reasons of SUSE known? Do there customers not use Evolution or if they do, they do not use Microsoft Exchange? Additionally are there any software company providing Evolution support? No worries though, we will soldier on. I wish you the best. Thanks, Paul [1] http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2012/09/13/interested-in-joining-the-red-hat-desktop-team-here-in-brno/ [2] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2012-August/msg00115.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What's New in Evolution 3.6
Could you please point to some write up in the source or a Wiki explaining the new format. For example also how passwords are stored. Passwords have not been stored by Evolution for a while - the gnome-keyring is used. Presumably (hopefully?) that hasn't changed. Much as I think the devs are capable of dealing with it, but there is a perfectly usable alternative coded by people who are experts in safe/encrypted storage and I would prefer they spend their (v. limited) time dealing with Evolution rather than re-inventing things. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Security implications of WebKit migration
On Wednesday 22 of August 2012 08:27:05 Paul Menzel wrote: Dear Evolution folks, Hi, sorry for not replying earlier, I didn't notice your question before. finding two bug reports in the Debian BTS about not-existing security support for WebKit releases, I am wondering if the WebKit migration of Evolution will also suffer from that. It comes to my mind, that one of Microsoft Outlook’s biggest security issues is (was(?)) due to bugs in the HTML rendering engine. WebKit provides some elementary security mechanisms - for example does not allow loading content from different protocol or hostname. We are loading all emails and their content via our own mail:// protocol, so WebKit will block a request trying to load some content through file:// for instance. We have also JavaScript disabled, so malicious emails can't unveil their evil powers. The only unfortunate thing we haven't fixed yet are plugins. We have to have plugins enabled in order to be able to inject GtkWidgets (like attachment bar) into WebKit. This also means that Flash or Java content in enabled and that they WILL be displayed and executed (assuming you have necessary plugins installed) in the mail preview. We are aware of this and I have already discussed with Milan a possible solution - writing our own ad-block extension and force replace all object and applet tags by a placeholder. Regarding internal WebKit security (exploits in images, executables binary code in tag names etc), I must admit I don't know how well WebKit deals with this. WebKit is massively deployed though, use by Google Chrome, Safari and others so I would say that this would be handled well, but the linked bugs indicate otherwise :( Also I do not know how good the security support for GtkHTML is. As said Andre, security support for GtkHTML is probably somewhere between little and none. Cheers, Dan Thanks, Paul [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bugh2481 [2] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bugd9625 -- dvra...@redhat.com | Associate Software Engineer / BaseOS / KDE, Qt GPG Key: 0xC59D614F6F4AE348 Fingerprint: 4EC1 86E3 C54E 0B39 5FDD B5FB C59D 614F 6F4A E348 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Security implications of WebKit migration
El jue, 20-09-2012 a las 11:39 +0200, Dan Vratil escribió: The only unfortunate thing we haven't fixed yet are plugins. We have to have plugins enabled in order to be able to inject GtkWidgets (like attachment bar) into WebKit. This also means that Flash or Java content in enabled and that they WILL be displayed and executed (assuming you have necessary plugins installed) in the mail preview. We are aware of this and I have already discussed with Milan a possible solution - writing our own ad-block extension and force replace all object and applet tags by a placeholder. A possibility would be avoiding embeding gtk at all, even for the attachment bar, and implement it completely on html. Is this something considered, or is the work to implement this is out of scope now? ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] I'm new to this list
Paul, On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 22:23 +0200, Paul Menzel wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 19.09.2012, 12:52 -0600 schrieb Nail That Down: Since you are new, please read the netiquette [1]. Err, no. Your link to some wikipage of some random third party project has nothing to do with this mailing list, sorry. If something applies at all to GNOME mailing list then it's GNOME's code of conduct. 2. No HTML. Don't come up with rules that don't exist. Most people on this list prefer plain text (me too), but writing No HTML implies that it's not allowed. Which is not true. Please post your message again with the correct subject line and the following comment clarified. ROFL. Just edit the subject line yourself if it's a big deal? andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Security implications of WebKit migration
On Thursday 20 of September 2012 11:56:01 Jose Dapena Paz wrote: El jue, 20-09-2012 a las 11:39 +0200, Dan Vratil escribió: The only unfortunate thing we haven't fixed yet are plugins. We have to have plugins enabled in order to be able to inject GtkWidgets (like attachment bar) into WebKit. This also means that Flash or Java content in enabled and that they WILL be displayed and executed (assuming you have necessary plugins installed) in the mail preview. We are aware of this and I have already discussed with Milan a possible solution - writing our own ad-block extension and force replace all object and applet tags by a placeholder. A possibility would be avoiding embeding gtk at all, even for the attachment bar, and implement it completely on html. Is this something considered, or is the work to implement this is out of scope now? It has been considered of course, but the amount of work needed to achieve the same functionality is inadequate and we now totally lack manpower to do so. Attachments are added to the attachment bar asynchronously, the attachment bar is in fact a view for a model with attachments. Implementing this all using just DOM bindings provided by WebKit would bewell, out of scope (note that you can't use JavaScript to do this on the client-side). Also supporting accessibility would be a problem here. I've managed to do this for the itip-formatter, which used to be a Gtk widget, now it's all handled through the DOM and I'm not sure I want to do it again :) Dan -- dvra...@redhat.com | Associate Software Engineer / BaseOS / KDE, Qt GPG Key: 0xC59D614F6F4AE348 Fingerprint: 4EC1 86E3 C54E 0B39 5FDD B5FB C59D 614F 6F4A E348 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] I'm new to this list
Hi Anita, On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 12:52 -0600, Nail That Down wrote: I believe the question I have is: is there a way to print out or copy the message filters I use? Which account types do you use (POP, IMAP, etc)? For Evolution version 3.4 and later: http://library.gnome.org/users/evolution/3.5/mail-filters-not-working.html For Evolution version 3.2 and earlier: https://live.gnome.org/Evolution/FAQ#How_can_I_see_what_my_filters_are_doing.3F As I'm not totally sure if these instructions are correct, starting Evolution from a terminal window with the command CAMEL_DEBUG=filter evolution evo.log , applying filters, and then checking the file evo.log might also work. andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What's New in Evolution 3.6
On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 10:03 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: Could you please point to some write up in the source or a Wiki explaining the new format. For example also how passwords are stored. Passwords have not been stored by Evolution for a while - the gnome-keyring is used. Presumably (hopefully?) that hasn't changed. It hasn't. Note though that gnome-keyring (and KWallet in KDE) will get replaced by cross-desktop libsecret in the future. andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What's New in Evolution 3.6
On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 10:45 +0200, Paul Menzel wrote: Evolution 3.6 will move your account data to plain text files which live in $HOME/.config/evolution/sources. Evolution-Data-Server 3.6 will also introduce a new D-Bus service which will serve these files to Evolution, GNOME Contacts, GNOME Shell and any other E-D-S client, and also handle various other miscellaneous chores like talking to GNOME Online Accounts and cleaning up old data after you delete an account. It would be great if that migration stuff is a separate so people can test that beforehand for example. Not sure if I understand. Separate from what? How would testing beforehand get easier by separating something? andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What's New in Evolution 3.6
On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 10:45 +0200, Paul Menzel wrote: Could you please point to some write up in the source or a Wiki explaining the new format. For example also how passwords are stored. Here's an overview of the new file format: https://live.gnome.org/Evolution/ESourceFileFormat Passwords will remain in GNOME-Keyring / KWallet / whatever else implements the FreeDesktop Secret Service API. Matthew Barnes ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] I'm new to this list
On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 12:52 -0600, Nail That Down wrote: I believe the question I have is: is there a way to print out or copy the message filters I use? In case I haven't asked the right question, feel free to correct me. My email is going into folders where it belong. I've being getting email, since the late 80's. I've never had a problem with sorting email before. I even had Evolution working, a few glitches I took care of. Since I switched to Ubuntu 11.10 it has developed a mind of its own unless I do a search of the entire email, I can't find anything. Sorry for the length. I'm using my phone because a copy is sent to it. Anita Jensen on the later versions of evolution... $ cp $HOME/.config/evolution/mail/filters.xml $HOME/myfilters.xml $ vi myfilters.xml send myfilters.xml to printer If $HOME/.config/evolution/mail/filters.xml doesn't exist on your version, you'll have to search for filters.xml. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What's New in Evolution 3.6
On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 20:28 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 10:13 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: Evolution 3.6 will move your account data to plain text files which live in $HOME/.config/evolution/sources. I think I speak for all of us when I say: woohoo! Yes. Yay! -- Knowledge Is Power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What's New in Evolution 3.6
El mié, 19-09-2012 a las 09:42 -0800, Fred Erickson escribió: On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 10:13 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: I've never been very good about posting release announcements, but Evolution 3.6.0 is set to be released next week and it's a pretty big release for us. I just want to thank you and the other developers for all the time and effort put into maintaining and improving Evolution. All us silent users really appreciate it even though we rarely speak up and say anything. Fred ___ Totally agree. Thanks very much to all! Lailah signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
