Re: [Evolution] how to move mails and configs to a new machine

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2016-03-25 at 00:02 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > 
> > about your rant:
> > 
> > Actually Fedora has been installed with a user account. This is  my
> > home (real) desktop machine, I have been logging as root for years,
> > without any issue (at least not issues I am aware of). Is it really
> > so
> > bad?
> I'm sorry to use LMGTFY, and it's not meant as a put down, but it's
> an
> indication of what you should read:
> 
>    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+you+should+not+login+as+root
> 
> There's very few things that Unix/Linux people agree on, but one of
> them is that you do not habitually login as root.

I'd put it more strongly: if using a GUI (rather than a text console)
you should *never* log in as root. If you need temporary root powers
for some admin task, use su or sudo from your normal user account.

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Re: [Evolution] how to move mails and configs to a new machine

[Pete Biggs]

> about your rant:
> 
> Actually Fedora has been installed with a user account. This is  my
> home (real) desktop machine, I have been logging as root for years,
> without any issue (at least not issues I am aware of). Is it really so
> bad?

I'm sorry to use LMGTFY, and it's not meant as a put down, but it's an
indication of what you should read:

   http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+you+should+not+login+as+root

There's very few things that Unix/Linux people agree on, but one of
them is that you do not habitually login as root.

P.
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Re: [Evolution] Bogofilter stopped working suddenly?

[Paul Smith]

On Thu, 2016-03-24 at 09:31 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
> to properly do any spam filtering evolution needs to download whole
> message and pass it to the spam-detection software
> (bogofilter/spamassassin). The error says that the message download
> failed, though the reason ("junk-test") is rather misleading.

This may be a red herring; it hasn't reappeared even though I've gotten
plenty of spam since then.

> I suppose evolution console doesn't show anything useful, does it?

By "console" do you mean whatever Evo prints to stdout/stderr?  I
normally start it from GNOME Shell and I have no idea where the output
goes.  However see below.

> Can you run /usr/bin/bogofilter and pass to it a message content, 
> which is supposed to check whether the message is or is not a spam,
> reporting it with the exit code? The command can be:
> 
>$ /usr/bin/bogofilter <~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/...

I saved a spam message as mbox and ran bogofilter on it and it exited
with 2 (unsure).

> eventually with added argument --unicode=yes, if you have the convert
> to unicode checked. You can also try to run evolution with:
> 
>   $ CAMEL_DEBUG=junk evolution
> 
> to get some debugging around the junk processing.

OK I did this.  It's a little annoying that the debugging rarely flushe
s.  It took me a while to realize that I was getting no output just
because I hadn't waited long enough, then it spewed out in a big chunk
:).

But as above, I see all spam email being determined inconclusive:

 Sender 'Wireless Security Camera Options 
' in book? 0
 Junk filter classification: inconclusive
 Message is determined to be clean

No matter how much I train I still get inconclusive.  So maybe this is
an issue with bogofilter not Evo.

One thing I don't understand is why my bogofilter wordlist file is not
being updated, unless I explicitly train (with CTRL-J to specify spam).
 Doesn't Evo train all email?
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Re: [Evolution] how to move mails and configs to a new machine

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2016-03-24 at 19:35 +0100, mario chiari wrote:
> > That's an Evolution data store from a much earlier version. 
> Ok, fine
> > (search for
> > "Data storage locations").
> 
> "Data storage" explains:
> 
> >>Evolution 3.6 and later stores its data according to the XDG Base
> Directory Specification. By default this means: 
> 
> The user's data files   $HOME/.local/share/evolution 
> Various configuration and state files   $HOME/.config/evolution
> Account settings$HOME/.config/evolution/sources
> Disposable data caches  $HOME/.cache/evolution
> Configuration settings in GSettings $HOME/.config/dconf <<
> 
> so, do i need to copy all (and only) above directories from old
> machine over to the new one? Is doing so safe? 

You don't need to copy anything below .cache because it will be
recreated as needed. And once again, make sure Evo is completely off
before copying.

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Re: [Evolution] how to move mails and configs to a new machine

[mario chiari]

Hi

thanks so much again

On gio, 2016-03-24 at 16:42 +, Pete Biggs wrote:

> > > Transferring your whole home directory will also transfer all the
> > > Evolution data and settings - but that is only really useful if
> > > you
> > > actually want all your home moved!  
> > on the old machine, it seems I have
> > -- most Evolution stuff under the folder
> > /root/.local/share/evolution
> > (198497 items, totalling 8,5 GB)
> 
...
> > -- a further folder /root/.evolution
...
> That's an Evolution data store from a much earlier version. 
Ok, fine
> (search for
> "Data storage locations").

"Data storage" explains:

>>Evolution 3.6 and later stores its data according to the XDG Base
Directory Specification. By default this means: 

The user's data files   $HOME/.local/share/evolution 
Various configuration and state files   $HOME/.config/evolution
Account settings$HOME/.config/evolution/sources
Disposable data caches  $HOME/.cache/evolution
Configuration settings in GSettings $HOME/.config/dconf <<

so, do i need to copy all (and only) above directories from old
machine over to the new one? Is doing so safe? 


thks cheers
m.



ps 
about your rant:

Actually Fedora has been installed with a user account. This is  my
home (real) desktop machine, I have been logging as root for years,
without any issue (at least not issues I am aware of). Is it really so
bad?
Anyway, I appreciate you care. 


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Re: [Evolution] how to move mails and configs to a new machine

[Pete Biggs]

On Thu, 2016-03-24 at 11:02 -0600, Zan Lynx wrote:
> On 03/24/2016 10:42 AM, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > 
> > I meant your Linux account.  But that's because you need to make sure
> > nothing is using the filesystem when you move the data around - but you
> > can't actually do this trick if the home belongs to root because you
> > can't move the data without being logged in as root.
> There are a couple of methods to move data which will work. You can log
> in using only a command-line shell on either the console or via SSH.
> This will not start up the Gnome services and you can copy the data freely.

Sure, but you are still playing with a logged in user's home directory
- which may well be OK, but a user who uses root as a login account
might well have done something odd! It's just adds another level of
uncertainty.

> 
> You can also do it from a GUI if you guarantee that Evolution is shut
> down. There used to be a killev command...

$ evolution --force-shutdown

> 
> OK, I just tried this and I have to say WTF? How does anyone do
> Evolution development anymore? I killed the processes and they don't
> stay dead. What if I wanted to run a newly compiled version with a
> debugger or command line flags or environment variables? I have to hack
> DBUS files now? That's insane.

Evolution itself doesn't restart, it's the backend processes. And it's
not Evo that's starting them - it's things like Gnome-calendar that
uses Evolution calendars as a source.  The way to deal with it if you
are doing dev work is to kill the old process and start the new process
in one command line - that way you start it before anything else has a
chance to.

P.


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Re: [Evolution] Gmail + Sent Messages to a local folder

[Pete Biggs]

> > I'm sorry, I'm not really sure what you want or what you are having
> > difficulty with.
> ... no difficulty at all, but I would have liked to read some pros or
> cons concerning Gmail sent messages = local folder vs. Gmail sent
> messages = gmail.com server folder.

The question is not one of pros and cons. Gmail itself (not Evolution)
saves a copy of every email you send through it, independent of any
settings in Evolution.  So you *should not* tell Evolution to save sent
mail on the server for Gmail accounts - not only is it unnecessary to
do so, but I think it might well cause confusion when you have two
copies of every message sent.

For Gmail accounts you should configure Evolution to store sent
messages in a local folder, normally "On This Computer/Sent".

This is the advice from both Google and the Evolution team.

(If you don't use Gmail's SMTP server, then this doesn't apply.)

> Hoped we could have done this without getting wires crossed, as
> explaining Gmails physical folder structure vs. its virtualization might
> go off topic here ?

It is on-topic in so much as it might be necessary to explain some of
the odd behaviour of Gmail accounts - but it is not Evolution specific,
any IMAP client suffers from the same problems.

> Is it possible to attach a screenshot to another mail for the list
> here ?
> 
You would be better using some image service and pasting a link - that
is the way to annoy the least number of people.

P.
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Re: [Evolution] Gmail + Sent Messages to a local folder

[Tom]

Am Donnerstag, den 24.03.2016, 14:21 + schrieb Pete Biggs: 
> On Thu, 2016-03-24 at 14:48 +0100, Tom wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, den 23.03.2016, 09:33 + schrieb Pete Biggs: 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regarding Gmail: there isn't much to be said. Gmail stores all sent
> > > > > mail in the Sent Mail folder (of course Gmail doesn't actually use
> > > > > folders, it's really the Sent Mail label, but when accessing it via
> > > > > IMAP it appears as a folder). (Note that this will also happen if you
> > > > > use POP). The following is copied directly from the Help menu item on
> > > > > IMAP on the Gmail site:
> > > > Here you forgot to tell us that all seen below is about Outlook Express,
> > > > what I don't give a monkey's ... 
> > > No, it says "If you're not using one of the above listed clients, as a
> > > general rule, we suggest the following settings:" and the one directly
> > > above happens to be "Outlook Express". 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > https://support.google.com/mail/answer/78892?hl=en where it's copied
> > > > from doesn't have an answer for Evolution :-(
> > > > 
> > > What more do you want to know about for Evolution?  Are you unsure (...)
> > ... not in the slightest ! Im sure I 've put the question in dispute
> > here -maybe not formulated very well  - ...
> > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2016-February/msg00228.html
> > 
> 
> I'm sorry, I'm not really sure what you want or what you are having
> difficulty with.

... no difficulty at all, but I would have liked to read some pros or
cons concerning Gmail sent messages = local folder vs. Gmail sent
messages = gmail.com server folder.
Hoped we could have done this without getting wires crossed, as
explaining Gmails physical folder structure vs. its virtualization might
go off topic here ?
Is it possible to attach a screenshot to another mail for the list
here ?

Best,
-- 
Tom 
ProstNet - Tom

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Re: [Evolution] how to move mails and configs to a new machine

[Zan Lynx]

On 03/24/2016 10:42 AM, Pete Biggs wrote:
> I meant your Linux account.  But that's because you need to make sure
> nothing is using the filesystem when you move the data around - but you
> can't actually do this trick if the home belongs to root because you
> can't move the data without being logged in as root.

There are a couple of methods to move data which will work. You can log
in using only a command-line shell on either the console or via SSH.
This will not start up the Gnome services and you can copy the data freely.

You can also do it from a GUI if you guarantee that Evolution is shut
down. There used to be a killev command...

OK, I just tried this and I have to say WTF? How does anyone do
Evolution development anymore? I killed the processes and they don't
stay dead. What if I wanted to run a newly compiled version with a
debugger or command line flags or environment variables? I have to hack
DBUS files now? That's insane.
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Re: [Evolution] how to move mails and configs to a new machine

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2016-03-24 at 16:42 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > -- most Evolution stuff under the folder
> /root/.local/share/evolution
> > (198497 items, totalling 8,5 GB)
> 
> OK.  I know this is nothing to do with Evolution, but it's important
> to
> say this:
> 
> 
> DO NOT use root as your normal login account.  Just don't.
> There are NO REASONS to use root, especially for email, web browsing
> etc.  I know it appears to make things easier, but you are setting
> your
> self up for a big, big fail. Just don't do it.

+1

This is absolutely insane. You're playing Russian roulette while
driving a clown car with no seat-belt across a high wire with no net.

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Re: [Evolution] how to move mails and configs to a new machine

[Pete Biggs]

> > 
> > You can create a backup tar file from the 'File' menu ("Back up
> > Evolution Data") and then restore it on the new machine.
> doing so, do I transfer everything (accounts, filters, folder
> structure)?

Yes.  It should do.  It will probably work quite well as the Evolution
versions are very close. Please see the Evolution help for more
information on backing up and restoring data.

> 
> > 
> > 
> > Transferring your whole home directory will also transfer all the
> > Evolution data and settings - but that is only really useful if you
> > actually want all your home moved!  
> on the old machine, it seems I have
> -- most Evolution stuff under the folder /root/.local/share/evolution
> (198497 items, totalling 8,5 GB)

OK.  I know this is nothing to do with Evolution, but it's important to
say this:


DO NOT use root as your normal login account.  Just don't.
There are NO REASONS to use root, especially for email, web browsing
etc.  I know it appears to make things easier, but you are setting your
self up for a big, big fail. Just don't do it.

You say you are using Fedora - this means that you have ignored all the
warnings when installing it that you must set up a user account and not
to use root. 

Have you ever wondered why experienced sysadmins and Linux gurus tell
users not to use root? Well, that's because they are experienced and
have been bitten by it.


OK, continuing with the normal programs...

> -- a further folder /root/.evolution with a few files (104 items,
> totalling 8,2 MB), which I do not think it has been used (I do not
> understand why they are there)

That's an Evolution data store from a much earlier version. The
location of the Evolution data is detailed in the help (search for
"Data storage locations").

> 
> > 
> > Make sure you aren't logged in to
> > your account 
> which account? do you mean I stop Evolution? on both machines?
> 
I meant your Linux account.  But that's because you need to make sure
nothing is using the filesystem when you move the data around - but you
can't actually do this trick if the home belongs to root because you
can't move the data without being logged in as root.

P.

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Re: [Evolution] how to move mails and configs to a new machine

[mario chiari]

Hi

thanks so much for the prompt reply.

On gio, 2016-03-24 at 15:32 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > I need to move my mails (several Gigas) and the different pieces of
> > configuration (accounts, filters, ..) to a new machine. 


> You can create a backup tar file from the 'File' menu ("Back up
> Evolution Data") and then restore it on the new machine.

doing so, do I transfer everything (accounts, filters, folder
structure)?

> 
> Transferring your whole home directory will also transfer all the
> Evolution data and settings - but that is only really useful if you
> actually want all your home moved!  

on the old machine, it seems I have
-- most Evolution stuff under the folder /root/.local/share/evolution
(198497 items, totalling 8,5 GB)
-- a further folder /root/.evolution with a few files (104 items,
totalling 8,2 MB), which I do not think it has been used (I do not
understand why they are there)

> Make sure you aren't logged in to
> your account 

which account? do you mean I stop Evolution? on both machines?

look forward for your help
cheers
mario

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Re: [Evolution] how to move mails and configs to a new machine

[Pete Biggs]

> I need to move my mails (several Gigas) and the different pieces of
> configuration (accounts, filters, ..) to a new machine.  Clearly,
> folder structure has to be preserved too.  Eventually everything has
> to
> work as before. 
> 
> Which is the safer way to get that?
> 
> Note
> Old machine: Fedora 22, Evolution 3.16.5
> New machine: Fedora 23, Evolution 3.18.5.1
> I may access the old machine by nfs. 
> 

There are a couple of ways.

You can create a backup tar file from the 'File' menu ("Back up
Evolution Data") and then restore it on the new machine.

Transferring your whole home directory will also transfer all the
Evolution data and settings - but that is only really useful if you
actually want all your home moved!  Make sure you aren't logged in to
your account when you move things (or it will get messy) - what I tend
to do is to copy your old home to something like '/home/user.old' then
logout of your username, login as (say) root and do 'mv /home/user
/home/user.x ; mv /home/user.old /home/user'.  When you log back in as
'user' everything will be there.

Finally you can selectively copy the relevant Evolution directories -
but that needs you to work out everything that is needed!

P.
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[Evolution] how to move mails and configs to a new machine

[mario chiari]

Hi,


I need to move my mails (several Gigas) and the different pieces of
configuration (accounts, filters, ..) to a new machine.  Clearly,
folder structure has to be preserved too.  Eventually everything has to
work as before. 

Which is the safer way to get that?

Note
Old machine: Fedora 22, Evolution 3.16.5
New machine: Fedora 23, Evolution 3.18.5.1
I may access the old machine by nfs. 

Thanks for your help
cheers
mario


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Re: [Evolution] Evolution-EWS GetUserPhoto?

[Dan MacDonald]

Is fetching user photos supposed to work for Evo Contacts with Office 365?

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Paul Stejskal 
wrote:

> Exchange photos displaying in messages. Like Outlook.
> On Mar 24, 2016 3:16 AM, "Milan Crha"  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2016-03-23 at 12:44 -0500, Paul Stejskal wrote:
>> > Hello team. I was wondering how hard it would be to implement
>> > GetUserPhoto for Exchange 2013?
>>
>> Hello,
>> what part you'd like to use it for, please? [1]
>> Bye,
>> Milan
>>
>> [1]
>> https://msdn.microsoft.com/EN-US/library/jj190905%28v=exchg.150%29.aspx#bk_EWS
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Re: [Evolution] Gmail + Sent Messages to a local folder

[Pete Biggs]

On Thu, 2016-03-24 at 14:48 +0100, Tom wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, den 23.03.2016, 09:33 + schrieb Pete Biggs: 
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Regarding Gmail: there isn't much to be said. Gmail stores all sent
> > > > mail in the Sent Mail folder (of course Gmail doesn't actually use
> > > > folders, it's really the Sent Mail label, but when accessing it via
> > > > IMAP it appears as a folder). (Note that this will also happen if you
> > > > use POP). The following is copied directly from the Help menu item on
> > > > IMAP on the Gmail site:
> > > Here you forgot to tell us that all seen below is about Outlook Express,
> > > what I don't give a monkey's ... 
> > No, it says "If you're not using one of the above listed clients, as a
> > general rule, we suggest the following settings:" and the one directly
> > above happens to be "Outlook Express". 
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > https://support.google.com/mail/answer/78892?hl=en where it's copied
> > > from doesn't have an answer for Evolution :-(
> > > 
> > What more do you want to know about for Evolution?  Are you unsure (...)
> ... not in the slightest ! Im sure I 've put the question in dispute
> here -maybe not formulated very well  - ...
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2016-February/msg00228.html
> 

I'm sorry, I'm not really sure what you want or what you are having
difficulty with.

P.


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Re: [Evolution] Gmail + Sent Messages to a local folder

[Tom]

Am Mittwoch, den 23.03.2016, 09:33 + schrieb Pete Biggs: 
> > > Regarding Gmail: there isn't much to be said. Gmail stores all sent
> > > mail in the Sent Mail folder (of course Gmail doesn't actually use
> > > folders, it's really the Sent Mail label, but when accessing it via
> > > IMAP it appears as a folder). (Note that this will also happen if you
> > > use POP). The following is copied directly from the Help menu item on
> > > IMAP on the Gmail site:
> > Here you forgot to tell us that all seen below is about Outlook Express,
> > what I don't give a monkey's ... 
> 
> No, it says "If you're not using one of the above listed clients, as a
> general rule, we suggest the following settings:" and the one directly
> above happens to be "Outlook Express". 
> 
> > > 
> > https://support.google.com/mail/answer/78892?hl=en where it's copied
> > from doesn't have an answer for Evolution :-(
> > 
> What more do you want to know about for Evolution?  Are you unsure (...)

... not in the slightest ! Im sure I 've put the question in dispute
here -maybe not formulated very well  - ...
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2016-February/msg00228.html

Best,
-- 
Tom 
ProstNet - Tom

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution-EWS GetUserPhoto?

[Paul Stejskal]

Exchange photos displaying in messages. Like Outlook.
On Mar 24, 2016 3:16 AM, "Milan Crha"  wrote:

> On Wed, 2016-03-23 at 12:44 -0500, Paul Stejskal wrote:
> > Hello team. I was wondering how hard it would be to implement
> > GetUserPhoto for Exchange 2013?
>
> Hello,
> what part you'd like to use it for, please? [1]
> Bye,
> Milan
>
> [1]
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Re: [Evolution] Bogofilter stopped working suddenly?

[Milan Crha]

On Wed, 2016-03-23 at 16:39 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> Execution of filter 'Junk check' failed: Error executing filter
> search:
> Failed to retrieve message: (junk-test)
> 
> Anyone have any idea what that might mean, and if it's relevant?

Hi,
to properly do any spam filtering evolution needs to download whole
message and pass it to the spam-detection software
(bogofilter/spamassassin). The error says that the message download
failed, though the reason ("junk-test") is rather misleading.

I suppose evolution console doesn't show anything useful, does it?

Can you run /usr/bin/bogofilter and pass to it a message content, which
is supposed to check whether the message is or is not a spam, reporting
it with the exit code? The command can be:

   $ /usr/bin/bogofilter <~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/...

eventually with added argument --unicode=yes, if you have the convert
to unicode checked. You can also try to run evolution with:

  $ CAMEL_DEBUG=junk evolution

to get some debugging around the junk processing.

Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution-EWS GetUserPhoto?

[Milan Crha]

On Wed, 2016-03-23 at 12:44 -0500, Paul Stejskal wrote:
> Hello team. I was wondering how hard it would be to implement
> GetUserPhoto for Exchange 2013?

Hello,
what part you'd like to use it for, please? [1]
Bye,
Milan

[1] 
https://msdn.microsoft.com/EN-US/library/jj190905%28v=exchg.150%29.aspx#bk_EWS
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