Re: [Evolution] Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

2017-03-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 06:59:01 -0400, Benjamin Selzer wrote:
>In terms of one of you getting the email twice, a smart email client
>should have seeded this out. Consider a change.

I don't receive emails twice, because I enabled "Avoid duplicate
copies of messages" by the mailing list settings. You ignore that I
already explained, that this will only deliver the message without the
mailing list header. Those who receive a duplicated message, would
receive one with and another without a mailing list header. Clients you
call "smart" usually don't provide an option to chose which of the two
messages gets sorted out, the one with or the one without the mailing
list header.

I also explained that for some clients you completely break mailing list
replies and for all clients you break mailing list header related
filter rules.

Mind your attitude.

You are whining about a missing feature that only is needed by a
minority of users, at the same time you don't care about the work-flow
of the majority of users. In addition you insult those who try to help
you.

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Re: [Evolution] Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

2017-03-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan 
On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 06:59 -0400, Benjamin Selzer wrote:
> If I'm sending this email as HTML, I don't care. Deal with it. If I'm
> top-posting, I don't care because, frankly, I have no fucking idea what
> that is.

Once you've calmed down, realise that:

1) Shouting will get you nowhere. Sufficient shouting will get you
moderated.

2) You replied to someone who merely asked you to follow one of the
list's frequent requests, but has nothing to do with the rest of your
rant.

3) The list would prefer that people not use HTML. If they do use HTML,
then include plain-text as well, but you are already doing that so
what's the problem?

4) Top-posting means inserting comments before rather than after the
material you're commenting on. The list would prefer you didn't do
that. If you've been reading the list for more than a few weeks you
would know that, but of course it would mean you'd have to pay
attention.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

2017-03-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan 
On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 07:04 -0400, Benjamin Selzer wrote:
> Well that shoots down Milan's idea about lack of demand.

How so? The BZ thread has around half a dozen contributors, and the
last post was 5 years ago. I still think it would be a good thing to
have, but developer resources are limited.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

2017-03-22 Thread Benjamin Selzer 
Well that shoots down Milan's idea about lack of demand.

On Mar 22, 2017 7:00 AM, "Patrick O'Callaghan"  wrote:

> On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 11:23 +0100, Torsten Krah wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, den 22.03.2017, 06:01 -0400 schrieb Benjamin Selzer:
> > > How is it possible that this extremely obvious setup feature is
> > > missing
> > > from such a long standing application?
> >
> > Feel free to open an issue and add/provide a patchset / changeset for
> > that feature.
> > I am sure Milan will be happily integrate it if it does fit.
>
> This is already in Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id
> =202257
>
> It's been around a long time, so feel free to add comments.
>
> poc
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Re: [Evolution] Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

2017-03-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan 
On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 11:23 +0100, Torsten Krah wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, den 22.03.2017, 06:01 -0400 schrieb Benjamin Selzer:
> > How is it possible that this extremely obvious setup feature is
> > missing
> > from such a long standing application?
> 
> Feel free to open an issue and add/provide a patchset / changeset for
> that feature.
> I am sure Milan will be happily integrate it if it does fit.

This is already in Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id
=202257

It's been around a long time, so feel free to add comments.

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Re: [Evolution] Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

2017-03-22 Thread Benjamin Selzer 
This email list should be renamed Evolution Circle Jerk. What an absolutely
absurd series of responses. The same group of people with the same
defensive responses to almost every issue. How utterly useless.

The only halfway intelligent response here was the one about creating
groups of folders. Unfortunately, that's a laughably complex workaround for
a ridiculous omission. You clearly couldn't quite understand my email,  and
I'll skip the idea, but I appreciate the thought.  (And yes, despite the
finagling here, it is a blatant omission.)

In terms of one of you getting the email twice, a smart email client should
have seeded this out. Consider a change.

To those of your suggesting I write the code myself, another utterly
idiotic idea. If I could write the code, I wouldn't have posted my question
here. Are you trying to be stupid?

If I'm sending this email as HTML, I don't care. Deal with it. If I'm
top-posting, I don't care because, frankly, I have no fucking idea what
that is.



On Mar 22, 2017 6:42 AM, "Andrea Vai"  wrote:

Il giorno mer, 22/03/2017 alle 06.12 -0400, Benjamin Selzer ha
scritto:
> [...]
>
> -Original Message-
> [...]

and, please, don't top-post on this list


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Re: [Evolution] Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

2017-03-22 Thread Andrea Vai 
Il giorno mer, 22/03/2017 alle 06.12 -0400, Benjamin Selzer ha
scritto:
> [...]
> 
> -Original Message-
> [...]

and, please, don't top-post on this list


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Re: [Evolution] Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

2017-03-22 Thread Andre Klapper 
On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 06:01 -0400, Benjamin Selzer wrote:
> How is it possible that this extremely obvious setup feature is
> missing from such a long standing application?

You have not provided a patch yet to implement that feature.

andre
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Re: [Evolution] Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

2017-03-22 Thread Torsten Krah 
Am Mittwoch, den 22.03.2017, 06:01 -0400 schrieb Benjamin Selzer:
> How is it possible that this extremely obvious setup feature is
> missing
> from such a long standing application?

Feel free to open an issue and add/provide a patchset / changeset for
that feature.
I am sure Milan will be happily integrate it if it does fit.

Cheers

Torsten

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Re: [Evolution] Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

2017-03-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 06:01 -0400, Benjamin Selzer wrote:
> Your solution of renaming or creating a new folder and deleting the old
> one does not work for default system folders like Sent and Deleted.
> These are the standard names as prescribed by any Exchange account, and
> I imagine forcing these to be renamed or replaced would create
> problems.

That is correct, the reason I have written
"You could (re)name all your own folders".

The default folders and the virtual "Trash" folder might be required by
a standard. IMO lexically sort order is the smartes style.

You could move all your "own" folders to a new parent folder add your
own replacement folders for "Inbox", "Send" etc. and use filter rules to
use the replacement folders instead of the original folders.

> How is it possible that this extremely obvious setup feature is missing
> from such a long standing application?

I don't know if this feature is missing. Perhaps Evolution provides such
an option, I'm just not aware that it is implemented. However, if you
create a parent folder for all your folders, "Inbox", "Send" etc. are
not in the way.

Please reply to the mailing list only. If you include me to the
recipients I don't get duplicated messages, but I get replies without a
mailing list header. This breaks the reply to mailing list for some MUAs
completely. Evolution works around this issue by invoking mailing list
replies, by "Group Reply". Anyway, it still could break sorting by
mailing list headers for Evolution, too. Other users might get
duplicated messages, one with the mailing list header and a second mail
without, which also is annoying.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [Evolution] Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

2017-03-22 Thread Milan Crha 
On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 06:12 -0400, Benjamin Selzer wrote:
> Any reason this feature has been omitted?

Hi,
no idea, maybe lack of user demand, or anything else.

> Regarding Search Folders, I enabled it, but I cannot see how to operate
> it. Is there a guide somewhere, or can you explain how to use it?

File->New->Mail Folder, type name, select "Search Folders" as the
parent. Follow up in the user documentation:
https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-search-folders.html.en

Bye,
Milan
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Re: [Evolution] Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

2017-03-22 Thread Benjamin Selzer 
Any reason this feature has been omitted? It seems so obvious.

Regarding Search Folders, I enabled it, but I cannot see how to operate
it. Is there a guide somewhere, or can you explain how to use it?

Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Milan Crha 
To: evolution-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 11:04:06 +0100

Nothing direct. The closest is to define a Search Folder which will
simply "Match All" and you add folders into it. Then you can move
Search Folders at the very top between accounts (see above where to do
it).
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Re: [Evolution] Error search in contacts

2017-03-22 Thread Milan Crha 
On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 10:50 +0100, Rudolf Künzli wrote:
> Any ideas about this?

Hi,
yes, related to libgdata and Google server changing the way it expects
and interprets time values. Recorded here:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=780067

Bye,
Milan
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Re: [Evolution] Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

2017-03-22 Thread Milan Crha 
Hi,
stolen thread, eeks...

On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 05:32 -0400, Benjamin Selzer wrote:
> Is there a way to move important folders at the top of the folder list
> in the Side Bar, such as Sent Mail and Deleted Items?

No, the folder order is given by evolution itself. You can change order
of accounts, in Edit->Preferences->Mail Accounts.

> Alternatively, is there a way to pin favorites to the top of this list?

Nothing direct. The closest is to define a Search Folder which will
simply "Match All" and you add folders into it. Then you can move
Search Folders at the very top between accounts (see above where to do
it).

Bye,
Milan
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Re: [Evolution] Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

2017-03-22 Thread Benjamin Selzer 
Your solution of renaming or creating a new folder and deleting the old
one does not work for default system folders like Sent and Deleted.
These are the standard names as prescribed by any Exchange account, and
I imagine forcing these to be renamed or replaced would create
problems.

How is it possible that this extremely obvious setup feature is missing
from such a long standing application?
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Re: [Evolution] Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

2017-03-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 10:51 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 05:32 -0400, Benjamin Selzer wrote:
> > Is there a way to move important folders at the top of the folder list
> > in the Side Bar
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't know if there's an option to move folder positions, but it at
> least is possible to rename the folders you created, so you have impact
> on the lexical order.
> 
> You could (re)name all your own folders starting with a number and with
> the letter "T".
> 
> 001_test
> 002_a_test
> 
> appear on top, right after "Inbox".
> 
> T003_test
> 
> is sorted behind "Sent".

Oops, maybe you can't rename folders, but you can create new folders,
copy the content of an old folder to a new one and then delete the old
folder.

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Re: [Evolution] Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

2017-03-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 05:32 -0400, Benjamin Selzer wrote:
> Is there a way to move important folders at the top of the folder list
> in the Side Bar

Hi,

I don't know if there's an option to move folder positions, but it at
least is possible to rename the folders you created, so you have impact
on the lexical order.

You could (re)name all your own folders starting with a number and with
the letter "T".

001_test
002_a_test

appear on top, right after "Inbox".

T003_test

is sorted behind "Sent".

Regards,
Ralf

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[Evolution] Error search in contacts

2017-03-22 Thread Rudolf Künzli 
I am getting an error message every time I open contacts for
searching/modifying or what ever :

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a6drrt7298bjteq/Error%20Search.png?dl=0

Any ideas about this?

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[Evolution] Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

2017-03-22 Thread Benjamin Selzer 
Is there a way to move important folders at the top of the folder list
in the Side Bar, such as Sent Mail and Deleted Items? Alternatively, is
there a way to pin favorites to the top of this list?

I have >100 email folders in my Exchange account, so scrolling to get
to Sent Mail each time is somewhat annoying.

There has to be a way to do this, since this is such an obvious
feature, but I am unable to find it.

Thanks.
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