[Evolution] Non-subscribers - Was: Performance Issues
On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 21:00 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > The only way to do that is to restrict posting to list subscribers. No, other lists provide the feature I mentioned, for example [1] and see also the screenshot. "If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL", otherwise it's held for moderation and the non-subscriber has to do nothing. A lot of mailing lists provide this feature. Regards, Ralf [1] Begin forwarded message: Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 20:09:09 + From: ubuntu-studio-users-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com To: unknown.crew...@rocketship.com Subject: Your message to ubuntu-studio-users awaits moderator approval Your mail to 'ubuntu-studio-users' with the subject test Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/confirm/ubuntu-studio-users/cd6a5e9 9fcdbb0de618b2b6b3bccc319ed793442___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] PS: Non-subscribers - Was: Performance Issues
On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 22:36 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 21:00 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > The only way to do that is to restrict posting to list subscribers. > > No, other lists provide the feature I mentioned, for example [1]. > "If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following > URL", otherwise it's held for moderation and the non-subscriber has to > do nothing. > A lot of mailing lists provide this feature. > > Regards, > Ralf > > [1] > Begin forwarded message: > > Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 20:09:09 + > From: ubuntu studio users bounces > Subject: Your message to ubuntu-studio-users awaits moderator approval > > > Your mail to 'ubuntu-studio-users' with the subject > > test > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Post by non-member to a members-only list > > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel > this posting, please visit the following URL: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/confirm/ubuntu-studio-users/cd6a5 > e9 > 9fcdbb0de618b2b6b3bccc319ed793442 Other mailman lists are completely open, e.g. FreeBSD questions, everybody can post to the list and there's no moderation at all, that's good too. Or they are for subscribers only [2]. However, if the list is open, but moderated for non-members, it's good to provide the option to cancel a post. [2] Begin forwarded message: Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 20:41:54 + From: linux audio user owner Subject: test You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at linux-audio-user-ow...@lists.linuxaudio.org. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Non-subscribers - Was: Performance Issues
On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 21:00 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > The only way to do that is to restrict posting to list subscribers. No, other lists provide the feature I mentioned, for example [1]. "If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL", otherwise it's held for moderation and the non-subscriber has to do nothing. A lot of mailing lists provide this feature. Regards, Ralf [1] Begin forwarded message: Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 20:09:09 + From: ubuntu studio users bounces Subject: Your message to ubuntu-studio-users awaits moderator approval Your mail to 'ubuntu-studio-users' with the subject test Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/confirm/ubuntu-studio-users/cd6a5e9 9fcdbb0de618b2b6b3bccc319ed793442 ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Performance Issues
On Wed, 25 May 2016 19:13:29 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Wed, 25 May 2016 11:44:30 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: >>On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 10:11 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> Recommending to switch to GNOME, to get rid of performance issues is >>> grotesque, since a lot of machines can't run GNOME at all, because >>> it does cause that serious performance issues, since it requires a >>> high level of 3D acceleration. >> >>Nope, I run reasonably current GNOME Shell on a 32-bit laptop with a >>lame i940 series GPU. Works great - fast and smooth. If you cannot >>run GNOME Shell smoothly something is very wrong. > >Yes, GNOME is wrong ;). Perhaps we could stop this discussion. Users with performance issues should consider, before switching from another DE to GNOME3, simply to read the GNOME FAQ. https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/FAQ , e.g. https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/FAQ#GNOME_shell_does_not_seem_to_work_with_my_video_card._What_can_I_do.3F . Before switching to GNOME3 it also doesn't harm to Google, search terms including the hardware + the usage of the computer + GNOME3. There are known issues, this neither is FUD, nor is something very wrong with machines that can't run GNOME. Regards, Ralf PS: My apologies, I first sent from a wrong account. It would be nice if Evo's list would use the mailman feature to chancel a post, assumed it was sent from the wrong account. Other lists use this mailman feature. A user than can chose to wait for moderation or to cancel the post. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Performance Issues
On Wed, 25 May 2016 11:44:30 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: >On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 10:11 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> Recommending to switch to GNOME, to get rid of performance issues is >> grotesque, since a lot of machines can't run GNOME at all, because it >> does cause that serious performance issues, since it requires a high >> level of 3D acceleration. > >Nope, I run reasonably current GNOME Shell on a 32-bit laptop with a >lame i940 series GPU. Works great - fast and smooth. If you cannot >run GNOME Shell smoothly something is very wrong. Yes, GNOME is wrong ;). ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Performance Issues
I don't spread FUD, your recommendation to switch from Xfce4 to GNOME, to get rid of performance issues is unworldly. I'm not pro Xfce4 and con GNOME3. Btw. the machines hardware isn't the only thing you need to take into account. Resources could be required for other tasks, than a desktop environment. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Performance Issues
Hi, actually all GTK3 apps start with a black box, before the widgets are added. This is noticeable, but shouldn't take a second or more, but in a split second, there is a visible black box, even on systems that perform excellent. This doesn't happen with GTK2 or Qt or anything else. It'sd a well known issue for GTK3. Recommending to switch to GNOME, to get rid of performance issues is grotesque, since a lot of machines can't run GNOME at all, because it does cause that serious performance issues, since it requires a high level of 3D acceleration. I've got absolutely no performance issues when e.g. using Google earth, even with real-time audio settings, but my computer becomes unresponsive, if I try to run GNOME, even without real-time audio settings. This is a well known issue, my computer isn't an exception. It's plain wrong to recommend to switch from Xfce4 to GNOME, to get rid of performance issues. GNOME has much higher requirements, than Xfce4 does have. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] [offtopic] Color of selected text...
Actually I didn't call somebody a despot. On Sat, 14 May 2016 11:58:58 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >Note, several coders who used gtk for their apps, plan to switch to Qt, >they won't take the despotism anymore. This sentence explains what several coders feel, it not necessarily reflects my opinion. Taking a look at https://www.gnome.org/foundation/membership/ I guess the most famous example is what people such as Linus Torvalds think about the way Kay Sievers tries to manipulate the Linux community. I guess you don't need to google, you are aware of this lack of peace. As already pointed out "despotism" is a soft word, compared to the words most Linux users find, resp. think about the strategy of some (not only GTK/GNOME) developers. In short, there's an approach of some developers and GTK/GNOME is a big part of this approach, were coders consider it fair to expect that if they introduce bugs or drop backwards-compatibility even within a major release, other coders should fix the issues they cause. The word "despotism" is for force and it fits very well, since coders are quasi forced/feel the need to switch to Qt or to "accept" that other developers don't comply with fundamental rules. However, you are member of https://www.gnome.org/foundation/membership/ , so we could finish the discussion about the GTK/GNOME issue and continue using the mailing list to Evolution related things. Regarding the topic: That the soname is broken, could be a bug by accident. That most, if not all GTK themes get broken broken _within_ a major release of GTK, by an official stable upstream release of GTK, never ever is an accident. Actually we can't blindly believe percentages that claim that most users dislike GNOME, but we can blindly believe that there are good reasons that Mate and Cinnamon quickly became well maintained desktop environments of major distros, while they still are based on GTK, but then again, that LXDE tries to switch to Qt is a popular example for the GTK issue. I'll read any replies, but from my side this is the last mail regarding this off-topic thread. Note, I didn't start the off-topic, my original reply was about helping the OP, so I mentioned the gtk3 3.20 issue. While my guess with the theme issue didn't exactly catch the culprit, I anyway was right with my guess, that it's a gtk3 3.20 related issue. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] [offtopic] Color of selected text...
On Fri, 2016-05-20 at 18:39 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Actually I didn't offend any CoC by mentioning that a majority of > Linux users consider a lot of GNOME's decisions as despotic, since > this is the truth. So what you're doing de facto is censorship. IMO too off-topic, but I guess I should explain this. People are often disappointed about decisions from upstream, but there are two GNOME forks that became very, very popular, Cinnamon and Mate, long before gtk3 3.20. Also many developers decided to switch from GTK to Qt, e.g. LXDE started a transition a long time ago. There is nothing else were this happened that massively. Not a single KDE fork ever became popular. However, with GTK3 3.20 a new level of annoying habit arises. Even default themes get broken and nearly all custom themes. Until now many release model distro users aren't affected, but take a look at e.g. the Arch general mailing list, a real rolling release. Developers for good reasons decided to use GTK instead of Qt and now for good reasons they prefer much work to switch to Qt instead of staying with GTK. When I was talking about "despotism" I read back a common opinion with a soft word, compared to the wide spread opinion about this problem. I could go into details regarding the background, but this really would be off-topic. So I'll stop now, with just explaining that it's not my opinion, but a fact. De facto the OP's issue is cause by a quasi invalid soname related to 3.20. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Color of selected text...
On Wed, 18 May 2016 05:18:18 -0700, Dave Cole wrote: >On Wed, 2016-05-18 at 11:31 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Wed, 2016-05-18 at 11:23 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> > >> > sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade >> > >> > sudo apt-get build-dep webkitgtk >> > >> > apt-get -b webkitgtk && sudo dpkg -i *deb >> apt-get -b source webkitgtk && sudo dpkg -i *deb >> >> I forgot "source" in the last line. >> >Hi Ralf, >Thank you for the method here... I will give this a try in the next >day. I want to read about the process first, then move forward with >it... Hopefully this will correct the issue! Again, thank you for the >help. You're welcome! Consider to report the bug against the package "libwebkitgtk-3.0-0". https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Color of selected text...
Hi,
On Wed, 18 May 2016 09:29:14 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
>Note that you can build against one version of the library and run
>against another, especially when the two library versions do not change
>API/ABI.
I already explained this, but my mails are censored. However, the sense
of building against the soname is, that there should be no issues, if
backwards-compatibility gets dropped, then the soname should change,
IOW should become GTK4. Dropping backwards-compatibility without
increasing the soname is plain wrong.
"If the interface of a library changes in such a way that the dependent
programs would be broken, the soname would be incremented, e.g. from
libX.so.5 to libX.so.6." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soname .
>Your distribution should have some sort of build system, where users
>might be able to check what sources had been used to build the package
>and what packages had been installed when the build was made. For
>example Fedora has Koji ( http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji ), Arch
>Linux has something else (I do not use Arch Linux, I do not have a
>link)
No, Arch Linux has nothing like that, however, the OP is using Debian
testing.
Arch Linux packages follow releases from upstream, it's a _real_
rolling release. If the soname of a dependency didn't change, then
packages will not be rebuild, unless somebody reports a bug.
Actually there is the above explained reason, that the "NEEDED" lib is
libgtk-3.so.0, against what ever dot release it was linked at build
time.
If it was build against 3.18, nothing should break when 3.20 is
provided at runtime.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ objdump -p /usr/lib/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so | grep libgtk
NEEDED libgtk-3.so.0
Arch packages usually don't provide release information for the
dependencies, for the above explained reason.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep epend /var/abs/extra/webkitgtk/PKGBUILD
depends=(libxt libxslt sqlite libsoup enchant libgl geoclue2
gst-plugins-base-libs
makedepends=(gtk3 gtk2 gperf gobject-introspection python2 mesa ruby)
optdepends=('gst-plugins-base: free media decoding'
depends+=(gtk3)
optdepends+=('gtk2: Netscape plugin support')
depends+=(gtk2)
Debian and Ubuntu come with the Debian tracker.
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/webkit2gtk
"libgtk-3-dev (>= 3.20.0)" -
https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/w/webkit2gtk/control-2.12.2-1
IOW the current version in testing _is_ build against 3.20. The OP
mentioned to use 2.4.11-1 yesterday, so the OP today should run
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
Regards,
Ralf
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Re: [Evolution] Color of selected text...
On Tue, 17 May 2016 09:42:25 -0700, Dave Cole wrote: >When I do the same I get: >root@nostromo:/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu# ls -Ggl /usr/lib/x86_64-linux- >gnu/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so.0.22.17 >-rw-r--r-- 1 33003232 Apr 11 06:10 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux- >gnu/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so.0.22.17 > >The only difference I see are the permissions... "/usr/lib/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so" was a typo ;), however it anyway isn't 3.0.so.0.22.17 the list command checked, it was 3.0.so. If you would run ls -l /usr/lib/libgtk-3.so, it only tells what lib is installed, not against what lib webkitgtk was build. objdump -p /usr/lib/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so | grep libgtk says against what soname, major release of libgtk webkit was build. Since there usually is backwards-compatibility assumed, there shouldn't be the need to compile against a special dot release of a major release. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Color of selected text...
On Tue, 2016-05-17 at 17:52 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2016-05-17 at 07:41 -0700, Dave Cole wrote: > > I installed the stock webkit supplied in the testing channel. All > > software here save Google Chrome has been installed via Synaptic... > > > > I am new enough to Linux, (a few years), that I do not know how to > > find > > out what version of gtk, libwebkitgtk was built against... Sorry. > > > > I took another update yesterday, hoping it would correct the issue, > > as > > both libwebkit and Evolution were being updated, but alas, it is the > > same... > > > > Now on Evolution 3.18.5.1-1+b1 > > > > and > > > > libwebkit 2.4.11-1 > > > > I do appreciate very much, your help in this! > > Hi, > > as far as I know you can not find out, since software usually is build > against the soname, wich is a link, since usually everything should be > backwards-compatibility within a major release, IOW things could break > between 2.x and 3.x or 3.x and 4.x, but should never break between 3.x > and 3.y. > > [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ objdump -p /usr/lib/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so | > grep libgtk > NEEDED libgtk-3.so.0 > [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -Ggl /usr/lib/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so > lrwxrwxrwx 1 27 Apr 15 04:45 /usr/lib/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so -> > libwebkitgtk-3.0.so.0.22.17 Oops, a typo, ls should show [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -Ggl /usr/lib/libgtk-3.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 20 May 11 10:41 /usr/lib/libgtk-3.so -> libgtk-3.so.0.2000.4 ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Color of selected text...
On Wed, 2016-05-18 at 10:52 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: > On Wed, 2016-05-18 at 10:22 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > If it was build against 3.18, nothing should break when 3.20 is > > provided at runtime. > > except of the selected color. Regarding the idea of soname and backwards-compatibility it shouldn't be that way. > > https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/webkit2gtk > > > > "libgtk-3-dev (>= 3.20.0)" - > > https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/w/webkit2gtk/control-2.12. > > 2 > > -1 > > > > IOW the current version in testing _is_ build against 3.20. The OP > > mentioned to use 2.4.11-1 yesterday, so the OP today should run > > Please do not mix the two. You reference 2.12.2, then make decisions > on 2.4.11 (2.4 is much less than 2.12). No, I explained that the OP needs to upgrade his Debian testing today. The OP mentioned to use Debian testing, without pinning and 2.4.11-1. Actually, at least today testing provides 2.12.2-1, IOW the OP needs to run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to fix this issue, assumed the OP does really use debian testing without pinning. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Color of selected text...
On Tue, 2016-05-17 at 07:41 -0700, Dave Cole wrote: > I installed the stock webkit supplied in the testing channel. All > software here save Google Chrome has been installed via Synaptic... > > I am new enough to Linux, (a few years), that I do not know how to > find > out what version of gtk, libwebkitgtk was built against... Sorry. > > I took another update yesterday, hoping it would correct the issue, as > both libwebkit and Evolution were being updated, but alas, it is the > same... > > Now on Evolution 3.18.5.1-1+b1 > > and > > libwebkit 2.4.11-1 > > I do appreciate very much, your help in this! Hi, as far as I know you can not find out, since software usually is build against the soname, wich is a link, since usually everything should be backwards-compatibility within a major release, IOW things could break between 2.x and 3.x or 3.x and 4.x, but should never break between 3.x and 3.y. [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ objdump -p /usr/lib/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so | grep libgtk NEEDED libgtk-3.so.0 [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -Ggl /usr/lib/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 27 Apr 15 04:45 /usr/lib/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so -> libwebkitgtk-3.0.so.0.22.17 Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Color of selected text...
Hi,
On Wed, 18 May 2016 09:29:14 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
>Note that you can build against one version of the library and run
>against another, especially when the two library versions do not change
>API/ABI.
I already explained this, but my mails are censored and sometimes Claws
and Evolution chose the wrong mail address¹. However, the sense of
building against the soname is, that there should be no issues, if
backwards-compatibility gets dropped, then the soname should change,
IOW should become GTK4. Dropping backwards-compatibility without
increasing the soname is plain wrong.
"If the interface of a library changes in such a way that the dependent
programs would be broken, the soname would be incremented, e.g. from
libX.so.5 to libX.so.6." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soname .
>Your distribution should have some sort of build system, where users
>might be able to check what sources had been used to build the package
>and what packages had been installed when the build was made. For
>example Fedora has Koji ( http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji ), Arch
>Linux has something else (I do not use Arch Linux, I do not have a
>link)
No, Arch Linux has nothing like that, however, the OP is using Debian
testing.
Arch Linux packages follow releases from upstream, it's a _real_
rolling release. If the soname of a dependency didn't change, then
packages will not be rebuild, unless somebody reports a bug.
Actually there is the above explained reason, that the "NEEDED" lib is
libgtk-3.so.0, against what ever dot release it was linked at build
time.
If it was build against 3.18, nothing should break when 3.20 is
provided at runtime.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ objdump -p /usr/lib/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so |
grep libgtk NEEDED libgtk-3.so.0
Arch packages usually don't provide release information for the
dependencies, for the above explained reason.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep epend /var/abs/extra/webkitgtk/PKGBUILD
depends=(libxt libxslt sqlite libsoup enchant libgl geoclue2
gst-plugins-base-libs makedepends=(gtk3 gtk2 gperf
gobject-introspection python2 mesa ruby) optdepends=('gst-plugins-base:
free media decoding' depends+=(gtk3)
optdepends+=('gtk2: Netscape plugin support')
depends+=(gtk2)
Debian and Ubuntu come with the Debian tracker.
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/webkit2gtk
"libgtk-3-dev (>= 3.20.0)" -
https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/w/webkit2gtk/control-2.12.2-1
IOW the current version in testing _is_ build against 3.20. The OP
mentioned to use 2.4.11-1 yesterday, so the OP today should run
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
Regards,
Ralf
¹
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Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 10:22:41 +0200
From: Ralf Mardorf
To: evolution-list@gnome.org
Cc: Milan Crha, Dave Cole
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Color of selected text...
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Re: [Evolution] Color of selected text...
>In any case, the pointer to the tracker was helpful. The right package >is webkitgtk, not webkit2gtk Oops, I used the wrong link in the Firefox tabs :D. My bad, so upgrading doesn't solve the issue. The OP needs to rebuild the package against the current installed libgtk3. The source list repo needs to be manually enabled. After that, I guess the OP only needs to run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade sudo apt-get build-dep webkitgtk apt-get -b webkitgtk && sudo dpkg -i *deb https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-sources.list Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Color of selected text...
On Sat, 2016-05-14 at 10:10 -0700, Dave Cole wrote: > I have been unable to find a GTK-3 config file that deals exclusively > with Evolution. Hi, your desktop environment provides settings too chose the theme and there's nothing exclusively for Evolution. AFAIK a separated config file is only needed, when using a window manager, without a desktop environment, then the configs are ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini (and ~/.gtkrc-2.0), but those also don't provide something exclusively for Evolution. Off-list you mentioned that you're using Adwaita, so anywhere else selected text becomes white on blue background? I didn't notice anybody reporting a colour issue for Evolution only on the Arch general mailing list, when gtk was upgraded a while back, so I suspect that this is a Debian issue. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Color of selected text...
On Sat, 14 May 2016 05:35:39 -0700, Dave Cole wrote: >Hello Ralf, > >Thank you for the information regarding this! Taking a look at the packages provided by Debian, there shouldn't be an issue with the default Adwaita theme for GTK3 apps such as Evolution, since https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default=all=any=names=gtk https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default=all=any=names=libgtk everything is 3.20, the same version as the gnome-themes-standard, only GTK2 apps should become disgusting, assumed Debian uses the original, un-patched releases from upstream as Arch does. Assumed you shouldn't use Adwaita, then most likely the theme you're using doesn't work anymore with gtk 3.20. Resume: If you do not use Adwaita and GTK2 apps should be unimportant for you, consider to switch to Adwaita. If you're already using Adwaita, check if gtk3 and gnome-themes-standard are both 3.20. >From command line a simple sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade should update gtk and gnome-themes-standard for Debian stretch and sid to 3.20. As a newbie you should consider to stay with Debian stable. The headers of your email claim that you're using testing (or even sid), regarding the version of Evolution that is mentioned by the headers. Regards, Ralf PS: My apologies for directly sending this mail to you and not just to the list, but the list admin considers my original reply as offending the CoC and set the moderation bit, without explaining what exactly offends the CoC. I have no idea what is wrong with my original reply, all claims are based on facts and the POV is seen by the majority of Linux users. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Color of selected text...
PS: What release (or mix of releases) of Debian do you use? Do you make usage of pinning and/or third party repos? Consider to send a request to the Debian user list too. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Color of selected text...
Hi, you seems to use Evolution 3.18.5.1? However, Debian seems to provide gnome-themes-standard 3.20. What version of gtk3 is installed? On Arch Linux _most_ themes get broken with gtk3 3.20. It's not related to the used desktop environment or window manager, it's related to gtk3 and themes that don't fit to gtk3's current version or to the default theme design that fits to the new gtk3 version and is _wanted by the developers_. You need to use a theme, that is consistent with what ever version of gtk3 you are using and to accept some issues. Note, it most likely will affect your gtk2 apps too. Even the GNOME standard themes will break old views. Adwaita e.g. starts to waste space, blurry fonts etc., you need to fix it yourself, by downgrading (and still accept some other issues) or by editing themes. Note, several coders who used gtk for their apps, plan to switch to Qt, they won't take the despotism anymore. At least one who seemingly made themes for gtk, considers to _not_ continue contributing themes. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Ordering of folders when filtering
On Wed, 11 May 2016 11:26:15 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >They work one filter after the other and beyond that a rule also could >stop processing. That's not tricky, it's very simple. However, tricky >could be interaction between a spam filter and the filter rules. Correction, I confused Evolution with Claws. I checked my Evolution filters and noticed that some filter rules contain very easy to use junk options. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Ordering of folders when filtering
They work one filter after the other and beyond that a rule also could stop processing. That's not tricky, it's very simple. However, tricky could be interaction between a spam filter and the filter rules. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Failed to open folder.
On Mon, 2016-05-09 at 14:43 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: > I do not know how that works in case of the Linux Mint Regarding a German Wiki, the version of Linux Mint the OP does use and any version that will follow, is and will be based on Ubuntu LTS releases. An Ubuntu LTS is supported for 5 years and within those 5 years there will be no upgrade to another version of Evolution. The OP's Mint is based on Ubuntu 14.04. In June 2016 the Mint release based on Ubuntu 16.04 will be released. Ubuntu 16.04 already was released and it provides Evolution 3.18.5.2 and again, there will be no upgrade to another version of Evolution during the lifespan of an Ubuntu release. Next month the OP could upgrade Mint and then will get Evolution 3.18.5.2. The next Ubuntu LTS will be released in 2018, so the OP needs to stay with 3.18.5.2 until 2018. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] presence of vertical scroll bars depends on color scheme
On Mon, 2016-05-09 at 14:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > adwaita-icon-theme 3.18.0-1 My apologies, the adwaita theme, responsible for the colours, is provided by $ pacman -Q gnome-themes-standard gnome-themes-standard 3.18.0-1 ;). ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] presence of vertical scroll bars depends on color scheme
PPS: And horizontal scroll bars are present? ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] presence of vertical scroll bars depends on color scheme
On Mon, 2016-05-09 at 14:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > IMO this isn't an issue, just an advantage, since scroll bars always > should be on the left or at the bottom of a windows region. this should read "right" :D ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] presence of vertical scroll bars depends on color scheme
$ pacman -Q evolution adwaita-icon-theme openbox evolution 3.20.1-1 adwaita-icon-theme 3.18.0-1 openbox 3.6.1-3 This combination requires to move the mouse cursor to the location were the scroll bars are, to make them visible. They automatically hide, first become smaller, then completely disappear, if the mouse cursor isn't at the appropriate area. IMO this isn't an issue, just an advantage, since scroll bars always should be on the left or at the bottom of a windows region. JFTR I don't use adwaita-icon-theme 3.20, because then GTK2 apps become disgusting. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution keeps requesting passwords for gmail account and yahoo account when sending/receiving
What version of Evolution? POP or IMAP? For Evolution 3.20.1 the following POP account configurations work for Yahoo/Rocketmail: Server: pop.mail.yahoo.com Port: 995 Username: The Email addresse Encryption method: TLS on a dedicated port Authentication: Password Server: smtp.mail.yahoo.com Port: 465 [x] Server requires authentication Username: The Email adresse Encryption method: TLS on a dedicated port Authentication: Login ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution 16.04 LTS
Hi, open a terminal and run locale if the locales aren't French, run locale -a assumed French should be available, run LANG=fr_FR evolution or what ever "fr" should be available. An example with a default English locale and provided German locale [1]. If you don't have the French locale, you need to generate it. If French isn't the default locale, make it the default locale. Regarding http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/evolution there is no need to install a language package, so you just need to set up locale correctly. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Locale#A.28Re-.29Generating_locales https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Locale#Changing_settings_permanently Note, the Ubuntu help page was last edited 2013-11-04. Regards, Ralf [1] [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ locale LANG=en_US.utf8 LC_CTYPE="en_US.utf8" LC_NUMERIC="en_US.utf8" LC_TIME="en_US.utf8" LC_COLLATE="en_US.utf8" LC_MONETARY="en_US.utf8" LC_MESSAGES="en_US.utf8" LC_PAPER="en_US.utf8" LC_NAME="en_US.utf8" LC_ADDRESS="en_US.utf8" LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.utf8" LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.utf8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.utf8" LC_ALL= [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ locale -a C de_DE de_DE@euro de_DE.iso88591 de_DE.iso885915@euro de_DE.utf8 deutsch en_GB en_GB.iso88591 en_GB.utf8 en_US.utf8 german POSIX [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ LANG=de_DE evolution ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] User Interface
On Wed, 2016-04-20 at 11:21 +0200, Tom wrote: > Sure could I walk from machine to machine, doing this with > Edit->Preferences->Mail Preferences->Labels, but the project should be > finished during my lifetime ;-) > As so often I'm looking for the quick (maybe dirty) fix ... There seems to be a clean fix, edit it just one time for dconf and one time for gconf. I don't know, but I guess what you read by dconf read /org/gnome/evolution/mail/labels > label.txt could be written by dconf write /org/gnome/evolution/mail/labels "$(cat label.txt)" $ man dconf | head -n11 | grep KEY dconf read KEY dconf write KEY VALUE For gconf you perhaps just need to restore from a media cp -rf /mnt/point/.gconf/apps/evolution/mail/labels $HOME/.gconf/apps/evolution/mail/ I wouldn't test it on a production environment, add a test user to a gconf and to a dconf machine. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] User Interface
On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 11:01:40 +0200, Tom wrote: >The problem still is the synchronization of them all ... You can't expect backwards compatibility of different software major versions. Good software is backwards compatible within all minor versions of a particular major version. IOW x.0 to x.n usually are backwards compatible, but often backwards compatibility breaks among different major releases. That y.0 to y.n isn't backwards compatible to x.0 to x.n is ok. Regarding dconf vs gconf, this is another issue, since the binary approach is a step into the wrong direction anyway. Perhaps you can write a script to export from gconf to dconf and vice versa. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] User Interface
On Wed, 2016-04-20 at 08:54 +0200, Tom wrote: > [snip] > Not only that I want to "paste" it to other users - but also it should > be functional on (all ?) our machines. And I'm afraid there are some > that don't use dconf. > [snip] No sane Linux user likes either binary config files or binary log files. On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 23:51:25 +0200, Ángel González wrote: > [snip] > $ dconf read /org/gnome/evolution/mail/labels > [snip] While the dconf option syntax isn't sane too, it at least provides a write option. $ dconf --help error: unknown command --help [snip] help Show this information read Read the value of a key list List the contents of a dir write Change the value of a key [snip] ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] evolution-list Digest, Vol 129, Issue 10
On Mon, 2016-04-18 at 12:38 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:27:03 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > I guess the request for feature enhancement should be filed against > > the composer and not against the mailing list actions plugin, right? > > The composer perhaps wasn't the right choice, since the box doesn't > appear in the editor, but when viewing a messages, so perhaps I should > have chosen mailer or what ever option else is available by BZ. *lol* 5 minutes after writing this mail, somebody removed "Composer" and added "mailer". On Mon, 2016-04-18 at 11:33 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I've now modified the default digest option to MIME and edited the > digest intro to reflect the various options for replying. Hopefully other mailman based mailing lists will follow. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] evolution-list Digest, Vol 129, Issue 10
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:27:03 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >I guess the request for feature enhancement should be filed against the >composer and not against the mailing list actions plugin, right? The composer perhaps wasn't the right choice, since the box doesn't appear in the editor, but when viewing a messages, so perhaps I should have chosen mailer or what ever option else is available by BZ. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] evolution-list Digest, Vol 129, Issue 10
On Mon, 2016-04-18 at 10:10 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Can you file a BZ report please? Remember to quote the number here in > case anyone wants to follow up. Somebody needs to follow up, since I won't do it, because I'm not a digest user. I guess the request for feature enhancement should be filed against the composer and not against the mailing list actions plugin, right? "Bug 765202 - Group Reply/Reply to List for MIME digest When using the selection box of an attached mail of a MIME digest, there's no option to reply to the mailing list. The attached mails don't provide a List-Id, but the header of the MIME digest does, so it should be possible to care about both headers, the attached mail's header and the digest's header, to provide this feature. Patrick O'Callaghan noticed this for Evolution 3.18.5.2 (seemingly Linux) and I noticed this using Evolution 3.20.1 (Linux). Note, I'm not using digest myself, it was noticed when receiving temporarily digest for testing purpose, during a discussion about switching from plain text to MIME, as the default mode for digest. https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2016-April/msg00117.html; - https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765202 ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] mailbox
On Mon, 2016-04-18 at 09:46 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Evolution and Claws are too different, to share settings. PS: Keep in mind that Evo is a heavy weight MUA providing many features by default, while Claws is lightweight by default, but allows to add plugins, e.g. for HTML. Evo also ships with plugins, but for e.g. HTML no plugin is needed. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] evolution-list Digest, Vol 129, Issue 10
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 00:37:05 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >The other thing I notice is that the menu offers Reply to Sender and >Reply to All, but not Reply to List, which is the preferred way to >reply to list messages. Not sure if that's a bug or a necessary feature >due to some limitation in the way MIME digests are generated. Taking a look at the message source of a MIME digest, the attached messages are missing mailing list headers. However, the digest's own headers includes List-ID etc., so it should be possible to program Evolution to care about the attached mails headers in combination with the digest's headers. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] mailbox
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 15:36:39 -0400, Stari Karp wrote: >I use on the other computer which is in network Claws mail and I like >the same settings which I have on Evolution and Users and their email >have on the other computer where I running Fluxbox. Is it possible to >import to Claws mail, plese. Hi, filter rules and account settings? No, even if you would write a script to e.g. convert the format that Evolution does use for filters, to the format Claws does use, since Evolution provides filters for incoming and outgoing mails, while Claws only provides filters for incoming mails. Anyway, Claws can handle outgoing mails, too, but in a different way. This is the same for other features, Evolution and Claws are too different, to share settings. Since Evolution and Claws could be used with external tools, it would be possible to use the same external tools and then share settings. By default both already share e.g. bogofilter, so it's possible to share the trained junk filter, by copying $HOME/.bogofilter/, but even settings regarding bogofilter can't be shared between both MUAs. Exporting and importing POP account mails could be done by the mbox export and import features both MUAs provide. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] evolution-list Digest, Vol 129, Issue 10
Patrick, if you don't want to temporarily change the settings of your account, then consider to subscribe by two test accounts. By one account receive a plain text digest, by the other receive a MIME digest. It seems to be good, if you would "experience" the two digests modes yourself. ;) Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] evolution-list Digest, Vol 129, Issue 10
On Sun, 2016-04-17 at 11:44 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > From what I can see in the image you appear to be looking in the wrong > place. Don't select anything from the top-level menus. Simply point at > the body of a digest message and right-click. You should get a pop-up > menu of actions, one of which says something like Reply to Digest > Message. Hi, to keep the screenshot as small as possible, I clicked in the left upper corner of a digest's body. It shows the same menu, that appears, if I click somewhere in the middle of a digest's body. There is no "Reply to Digest" or similar menu entry available. Anyway, the new screenshots are better. plain_text.jpg shows the right click menu of a plain text digest, the mouse pointer is included. mime.jpg shows the selection box, you need to click, to reply to an attached mail inside of a MIME digest. The mouse pointer is above this selection box, but I did not click, so the menu isn't opened. Regards, Ralf___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] evolution-list Digest, Vol 129, Issue 10
> Not sure what box you mean. The Reply to Digest action is on the > right- click menu when focused on the digest message. I'm using > 3.18.5.2 and don't have any digest messages to look at. > > "If you wish to reply to a component message, use your mailer's > > facility for this. In Evolution: right-click and select from the > > pop-up menu." > > The current text already says this. What are you proposing to change? > Note that I don't have 3.20 so if there's something new I'll need to > see it. If attachments make it through the list, then take a look at the attached low quality image. On top of the image you see a MIME digest and in the upper left corner of an attached mail within the MIME digest, a box to select what to do, e.g. "Reply to All". Below this there's a plain text digest, with the menu that appears by a right click. There's no special digest option available. The version of Evolution is 3.20.1.___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] evolution-list Digest, Vol 129, Issue 10
My apologies, I'm still doing the digest experiment and didn't receive the latest mails, but read them in the archive. https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2016-April/msg00083.html > Don't worry Milan, I wasn't proposing to change the *default list > format* to digest, but to change the *default digest format* to MIME > (currently it's plain text). > > I'll wait a few days before doing anything in case there are > (reasoned) objections. > > poc You do not need to wait. It's a good habit to ask and wait, but in this case stop doing. No, really no current MUA or web interface is unable to interpret MIME. Plain text digest simply is a PITA. > Not sure what box you mean. The Reply to Digest action is on the > right-click menu when focused on the digest message. I'm using > 3.18.5.2 and don't have any digest messages to look at. > > poc I couldn't see this when I didn't receive a digest and can't see it now, while receiving _MIME_ digest. Consider to receive MIME digest for testing purpose, too. It might be useful to change the text "If you wish to reply to a component message, use your mailer's facility for this. In Evolution: right-click and select from the pop-up menu." For testing purpose I now switched to "Plain Text" digest. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] evolution-list Digest, Vol 129, Issue 10
On Fri, 2016-04-15 at 13:42 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2016-04-15 at 11:36 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > 2) Never reply to list digests. If you want to reply to a message > > within a digest, use the right-click menu in Evolution. > > Hi, > > the default digest mode seems to be "Plain Text", at least this is > what > was checked by my account options. > > AFAIK digest mode "MIME" is needed to keep subject and thread. > > http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node28.html > > The Debian user mailing list by default is set to send MIME digest, > IIRC > they aren't using mailman and there's no way to get plain text digest, > but all mailman mailing lists seem to default to plain text digest. For testing purpose I use MIME digest, btw. I didn't fix the quoted message above, to show you an issue, not with the digest, but with Evolution, when quoting. Speaking about Evolution 3.20.1, in the right upper corner of an attached mail, there's a box to select to reply. Using the right menu it would not reply like above, it would reply with the subject "Re: evolution-list Digest, Vol 129, Issue 15" ^^ ^^ And it wouldn't quote the mail, but this: On Fri, 2016-04-15 at 12:00 +, evolution-list-requ...@gnome.org wrote: > Send evolution-list mailing list submissions to > evolution-list@gnome.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > evolution-list-requ...@gnome.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > evolution-list-ow...@gnome.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of evolution-list digest..." > Important: do NOT reply directly to this digest. If you wish to reply > to a component message, use your mailer's facility for this. In > Evolution: right-click and select from the pop-up menu. > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: evolution-list Digest, Vol 129, Issue 10 (Ralf Mardorf) Excepted of the mailing list footer, nothing more. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] evolution-list Digest, Vol 129, Issue 10
On Fri, 2016-04-15 at 11:36 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > 2) Never reply to list digests. If you want to reply to a message > within a digest, use the right-click menu in Evolution. Hi, the default digest mode seems to be "Plain Text", at least this is what was checked by my account options. AFAIK digest mode "MIME" is needed to keep subject and thread. http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node28.html The Debian user mailing list by default is set to send MIME digest, IIRC they aren't using mailman and there's no way to get plain text digest, but all mailman mailing lists seem to default to plain text digest. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] User Interface
Tom, what do you try to try to accomplish? You can list the relevant strings inside the binary dconf relatively good sorted by running strings $HOME/.config/dconf/user | grep :# but I doubt you can paste it in some way to another user's dconf, assumed you want to do something like this. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] User Interface
They are seemingly in dconf. [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ strings .config/dconf/user | grep -i to\ do _To Do:#3465A4 [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ strings .config/dconf/user | grep -i junk.ru Junk.ru:#3030f9f9|.ru ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] User Interface
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:33:46 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Bearbeiten > Einstellungen > Email Einstellungen > Beschriftungen My apologies, the screenshot shows exactly this menu. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] User Interface
Am Donnerstag, den 14.04.2016, 12:51 +0200 schrieb Tom: > http://picpaste.com/beschriftungen-PBOyQ3VX.jpg > > This comes better ? Yes, but as a side note, don't expect us to launch $ LANG=de_DE evolution you could look forward to more users able to help you, if you launch $ LANG=C evolution and even while it's unlikely important yet, consider also to post the version of Evolution $ evolution -v evolution 3.20.1 The picture shows the "labels".I don't know where the config file is located. Try searching $ strings .config/evolution/* | grep name_of_a_lable $ strings .local/share/evolution/* | grep name_of_a_lable and replace the * with /*/* etc., resp. dir and file names. However, the options are available by the GUI. Edit > Preferences > Mail Preferences > Labels Bearbeiten > Einstellungen > Email Einstellungen > Beschriftungen Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] User Interface
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:11:20 +0200, Tom wrote: >anyone has in mind, where the file is located that keeps data for this >(attached jpg, 36 KB) part of the Evolution GUI. >http://www.wikiupload.com/IJGJ3MMPIEHJYTA Neither an attachment is available, nor does the link show anything useful. I'm not an expert, but http://picpaste.com/ seems to be ok, so perhaps try again. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] [OT] Change default "from" address with GMail (Gnome Online Account)
On Mon, 2016-04-11 at 23:36 +0200, Tom wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 10.04.2016, 15:13 +0200 schrieb Andre Klapper: > > On Sun, 2016-04-10 at 10:31 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > Don't send multipart messages that contain HTML to mailing lists. > > > It's common practise to send plain text mails only. > > > > For future reference, could this be expressed in a friendlier way? > > "Don't do..." could also be "Could you please avoid doing...". > +1 > Noone should tell others here what they have to do ... On Mon, 2016-04-11 at 23:46 +0200, Tom wrote: > ... but remember: A command stays a command - even when you apply it > with "please ..." It's common mailing list etiquette to use plain text only. English isn't my native language, my intention was to bring it to the OP's attention. I consider my wording as plain and simple, not as a command or unfriendly. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] evolution 3.20.0 hiccups - Yahoo calender password requests - Send Account
Hi, On Mon, 2016-04-11 at 16:14 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > pgrep -fl evol I'm not used to the "p" commands. Usually I even wouldn't use "pkill" instead of "killall -r", since I anyway use the tab keys, bash history and even without taking care much about the readline features, there are a lot options that reduces typing. The following example not really reduces typing :D. [rocketmouse@archlinux .tmp]$ ls -Ggh evolution/PKGBUILD -rw-r--r-- 1 2.7K Apr 11 00:05 evolution/PKGBUILD [rocketmouse@archlinux .tmp]$ sudo !! sudo ls -Ggh evolution/PKGBUILD -rw-r--r-- 1 2.7K Apr 11 00:05 evolution/PKGBUILD [rocketmouse@archlinux .tmp]$ ^sudo ls -Ggh^grep pkgver= grep pkgver= evolution/PKGBUILD pkgver=3.20.0 [rocketmouse@archlinux .tmp]$ On Mon, 2016-04-11 at 17:22 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: > This all is in the past tense, because I changed it recently: > https://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution-data-server/commit/?id=818aa8f4 > It's part of the evolution-data-server 3.20.1 too (released today). Build and installed :). $ pacman -Q evolution evolution-data-server evolution-bogofilter evolution-spamassassin evolution 3.20.1-1 evolution-data-server 3.20.1-1 evolution-bogofilter 3.20.1-1 evolution-spamassassin 3.20.1-1 Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] evolution 3.20.0 hiccups - Yahoo calender password requests - Send Account
Thank you, at the moment seemingly only one account is affected by the issue, but when I first launched Evolution it were several accounts, maybe its fixed now: [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pkill evo [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ps aux | grep evo | grep -v grep [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep CalendarEnabled .config/evolution/sources/* .config/evolution/sources/1361625292.508.29@archlinux.source:CalendarEnabled=true [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pluma .config/evolution/sources/1361625292.508.29@archlinux.source [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep CalendarEnabled .config/evolution/sources/* .config/evolution/sources/1361625292.508.29@archlinux.source:CalendarEnabled=false Before I fixed it, I run CALDAV_DEBUG=all: [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pkill evo [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ps aux | grep evo | grep -v grep [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ CALDAV_DEBUG=all /usr/lib/evolution-data-server/evolution-calendar-factory -w [snip] CalDAV - finished syncing with 0 items in a cache < HTTP/1.1 401 Unauthorized < Soup-Debug-Timestamp: 1460384298 < Soup-Debug: SoupMessage 6 (0x7f4efc007c90) < Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:18:17 GMT < Connection: close < Via: http/1.1 calgate108.cal.gq1.yahoo.com (ApacheTrafficServer) < Server: ATS < Www-Authenticate: Basic realm="YahooCalendar" < Www-Authenticate: OAuth realm="YahooCalendar" < Content-Length: 0 < > OPTIONS /dav/info.mardorf%40rocketmail.com/Calendar/Ralf_Mardorf/ HTTP/1.1 > Soup-Debug-Timestamp: 1460384298 > Soup-Debug: SoupSessionSync 1 (0x1648290), SoupMessage 7 (0x7f4fcd80), > SoupSocket 11 (0x7f4efc0125b0) > Host: caldav.calendar.yahoo.com > User-Agent: Evolution/3.20.0 > Connection: close > REPORT /dav/info.mardorf%40rocketmail.com/Calendar/Ralf_Mardorf/ HTTP/1.1 > Soup-Debug-Timestamp: 1460384298 > Soup-Debug: SoupSessionSync 1 (0x1648160), SoupMessage 6 (0x7f4efc007c90), > SoupSocket 10 (0x7f4fbb60), restarted > Host: caldav.calendar.yahoo.com > User-Agent: Evolution/3.20.0 > Depth: 1 > Content-Type: application/xml > Connection: close > Content-Length: 255 > Authorization: Basic [info.mard...@rocketmail.com:[snip] > > > > > > > > > > > < HTTP/1.1 401 Unauthorized < Soup-Debug-Timestamp: 1460384298 < Soup-Debug: SoupMessage 7 (0x7f4fcd80) < Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:18:18 GMT < Connection: close < Via: http/1.1 calgate124.cal.ne1.yahoo.com (ApacheTrafficServer) < Server: ATS < Www-Authenticate: Basic realm="YahooCalendar" < Www-Authenticate: OAuth realm="YahooCalendar" < Content-Length: 0 < > OPTIONS /dav/info.mardorf%40rocketmail.com/Calendar/Ralf_Mardorf/ HTTP/1.1 > Soup-Debug-Timestamp: 1460384299 > Soup-Debug: SoupSessionSync 1 (0x1648290), SoupMessage 7 (0x7f4fcd80), > SoupSocket 12 (0x7f4f000121b0), restarted > Host: caldav.calendar.yahoo.com > User-Agent: Evolution/3.20.0 > Connection: close > Authorization: Basic [info.mard...@rocketmail.com:[snip] ^C Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] evolution 3.20.0 hiccups - Yahoo calender password requests - Send Account
Hi, On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:12:03 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: >I do not know how your Rocketmail POP account got to think it has a >calendar part with it too. Rocketmail is Yahoo. >I suppose you did configure both accounts in the Evolution, not in >GNOME (or eventually Ubuntu) Online Accounts. Correct. >Otherwise the only way to achieve it is to configure the account again >and do not enable the Calendar part at the end of the New Mail Account >wizard. That's from the UI. If you want to play with the internal >evolution-data-server files (at your own risk), then stop the >evolution-source-registry and then go to ~/.config/evolution/sources >and find there the files which reference the Yahoo! and/or Rocketmail >server's calendars. These will have in them a word "caldav", >eventually also "[Calendar]" (quotes for clarity only). Delete them or >move them away. Then re-login, to have the background processes >started in the right order. You might see the calendars in the >Calendar view too. After closing Evolution I run $ pkill evo $ ps aux | grep evo | grep -v grep $ grep -i cal -B3 -A3 .config/evolution/sources/* [snip] but there were no entries including "caldav" or "[Calendar]". > $ CALDAV_DEBUG=all /usr/libexec/evolution-calendar-factory -w Again I closed Evolution and then I run $ pkill evo $ ps aux | grep evo | grep -v grep $ CALDAV_DEBUG=all /usr/libexec/evolution-calendar-factory -w bash: /usr/libexec/evolution-calendar-factory: No such file or directory $ pacman -Ql evolution evolution-data-server | grep evolution-calendar-factory evolution-data-server /usr/lib/evolution-data-server/evolution-calendar-factory evolution-data-server /usr/lib/evolution-data-server/evolution-calendar-factory-subprocess evolution-data-server /usr/lib/systemd/user/evolution-calendar-factory.service $ systemctl status evolution-calendar-factory.service ● evolution-calendar-factory.service Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory) Active: inactive (dead) There was no output after confirming the password: [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ CALDAV_DEBUG=all /usr/lib/evolution-data-server/evolution-calendar-factory [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] evolution 3.20.0 hiccups - Yahoo calender password requests - Send Account
Preferences > Composer preferences > Send Account does not work, my apologies for sending a duplicated message: Hi, there are tons of hiccups, but the most annoying is, that I can't get rid of Yahoo calender password requests for my Yahoo and Rocketmail POP accounts. While writing this email the focus several times got lost, because such a box pop upped. I never used such a Yahoo calendar. However, those pop up boxes are a PITA and in addition they cause Yahoo/Rocketmail to notify me with mails. How can I get rid of it? Is there the need to downgrade Evolution? I suspect this isn't one of the GTK bugs, but really an Evolution issue. Regards, Ralf PS: Sorry, I don't have the time to report all those hiccups. Seemingly GTK upstream is aware that latest stable releases are entirely broken. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Change default "from" address with GMail (Gnome Online Account)
Hi, I don't understand what issue you have got with selecting a "from" address, but perhaps this is related to Gnome Online Account. However, you make two mistakes when writing to this mailing list. Don't use a reply-to header when writing mails to mailing lists. For some MUAs this breaks "reply to mailing list", if lists do not override the reply-to header. There are good reasons for an MUA not to behave as Evolution does and to care about not overridden reply-to headers. Don't send multipart messages that contain HTML to mailing lists. It's common practise to send plain text mails only. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] gmail and less secure app's
On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 22:51:35 +0200, Daniel G wrote: >Is it possible to know what are those "modern security standards" not >available in Evolution? Hi, you're asking at the wrong place. You should ask gmail why they make such vague claims about obscure "modern security standards". Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] trouble using Evolution with Exchange
On Tue, 2016-03-08 at 11:01 -0500, Garrett Mitchener wrote: > I'm using Evolution on Fedora 23 I can't help you with your issue, but those who might be able to help you, might be interested in the version of Evolution you're using. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Automatically fetching public key for encrypted mail does not work
On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 22:58:22 +0100, Niklas Andersson wrote: >One thing we didn't got to work though was automatically download of >the senders public key from the directory in case the email was send >encrypted. Assumed it's Linux, did you already try https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/FAQ#How_can_import_GPG_keys_automatically_from_within_Evolution.3F ? ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution/GPG
On Mon, 2016-02-22 at 19:12 +0100, Stig Roar Wangberg wrote: > Yes, it's just the list. I can't see no difference in the headers, > sorry. Where do I change the settings, if it's the list? https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list At the bottom there's "Unsubscribe or edit options". Take a look at: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2016-February/msg00218.html and https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2016-February/msg00221.html many mailing lists use "mailman" too ( https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/ ). Regards, Ralf PS: Btw. Ubuntu claims Replying to digest emails breaks the threading http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/support/mailinglists/ but actually it's solvable by using MIME Digest http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node28.html So don't worry, even "reputed experts" have no knowledge about mailman. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution/GPG
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 17:44:52 +, Pete Biggs wrote: >> >> This here was sent TO me and CCed to the list. If I'd REPLY TO ALL >> you'd receive my answer twice ... >> > >Not necessarily. There is a list option to prevent getting double >emails when you are directly sent a copy. With the disadvantage that you then receive the mail from the writer, but not the mail with the list headers [1] and this makes a big difference for filters and replies. [1] "Avoid duplicate copies of messages? When you are listed explicitly in the To: or Cc: headers of a list message, you can opt to not receive another copy from the mailing list. Select Yes to avoid receiving copies from the mailing list; select No to receive copies." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution/GPG
On Mon, 2016-02-22 at 18:29 +0100, Tom wrote: > This here was sent TO me and CCed to the list. If I'd REPLY TO ALL > you'd receive my answer twice ... The OP mentioned: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 18:22:58 +0100, Stig Roar Wangberg wrote: >I get none in sent, and two in Inbox. It's not the known receiving issue, it's an issue when the OP sends mail and IIUC the messages aren't duplicates they are threefold, 1 in Sent + 2 in Inbox = 3. So it's even not the mailman setting "Receive your own posts to the list? Ordinarily, you will get a copy of every message you post to the list. If you don't want to receive this copy, set this option to No." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution/GPG
I only mentioned a few pitfalls/falsities about what signing, encryption, TOR etc. could provide and what not and why to care about pitfalls. A discussion about motives is irrelevant. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution/GPG
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 03:58:38 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 21:22:02 +0100, Stig Roar Wangberg wrote: >>I only encrypt to people I trust IF the message requires it. > >Here we face another issue. If you don't always encrypt messages, then >a judge could assume that the encrypted email are related to a crime. >In some countries, IIRC e.g. Great Britain, people can be forced by law >to decrypt data, if they don't do it, they get arrested. In Germany we >have a strong data protection, AFAIK you can't be forced to decrypt >data. Btw. by accident I lost some unimportant keys, so I can't decrypt >some unimportant data, but this could become an issue in countries, >that are allowed to force you, to decrypt data. However, some nations >even use torture. "IF the message requires it" is a strange statement. >Actually all mail, perhaps excepted of postcards, are liable to >inviolability of the mail. If you like to turn the spotlight on you, >then encrypt just a few messages, so police and others know at least >dates, when you might be involved in crimes or whatsoever they are >interested in. IOW by decrypting messages that "require" decryption and ^^ ^^ encrypting encryption :D >at the same time not encrypting other messages, you already provide >useful data to those who are interested in it. The content of the >message might be unimportant to them, the only information they need >is, that at a given date you corresponded by encrypted emails. Now you >could argue, that in addition you're using anonymous mailing, mixminion >or similar. Since TOR was mentioned I'll quote from the FAQs: > >"So I'm totally anonymous if I use Tor? >No. >[snip]" > >"What attacks remain against onion routing? >As mentioned above, it is possible for an observer who can view both >you and either the destination website or your Tor exit node to >correlate timings of your traffic as it enters the Tor network and also >as it exits. Tor does not defend against such a threat model. > >[snip] > >Furthermore, since Tor reuses circuits for multiple TCP connections, it >is possible to associate non anonymous and anonymous traffic at a given >exit node, so be careful about what applications you run concurrently >over Tor. Perhaps even run separate Tor clients for these >applications." >- https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en > >IOW e.g. even if you run Ardour, a digital audio workstation that >phones home and it phones home, while you are using TOR browser, a lot >of the security provided by TOR could be null and void. > >Regards, >Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution/GPG
On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 21:22:02 +0100, Stig Roar Wangberg wrote: >I only encrypt to people I trust IF the message requires it. Here we face another issue. If you don't always encrypt messages, then a judge could assume that the encrypted email are related to a crime. In some countries, IIRC e.g. Great Britain, people can be forced by law to decrypt data, if they don't do it, they get arrested. In Germany we have a strong data protection, AFAIK you can't be forced to decrypt data. Btw. by accident I lost some unimportant keys, so I can't decrypt some unimportant data, but this could become an issue in countries, that are allowed to force you, to decrypt data. However, some nations even use torture. "IF the message requires it" is a strange statement. Actually all mail, perhaps excepted of postcards, are liable to inviolability of the mail. If you like to turn the spotlight on you, then encrypt just a few messages, so police and others know at least dates, when you might be involved in crimes or whatsoever they are interested in. IOW by decrypting messages that "require" decryption and at the same time not encrypting other messages, you already provide useful data to those who are interested in it. The content of the message might be unimportant to them, the only information they need is, that at a given date you corresponded by encrypted emails. Now you could argue, that in addition you're using anonymous mailing, mixminion or similar. Since TOR was mentioned I'll quote from the FAQs: "So I'm totally anonymous if I use Tor? No. [snip]" "What attacks remain against onion routing? As mentioned above, it is possible for an observer who can view both you and either the destination website or your Tor exit node to correlate timings of your traffic as it enters the Tor network and also as it exits. Tor does not defend against such a threat model. [snip] Furthermore, since Tor reuses circuits for multiple TCP connections, it is possible to associate non anonymous and anonymous traffic at a given exit node, so be careful about what applications you run concurrently over Tor. Perhaps even run separate Tor clients for these applications." - https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en IOW e.g. even if you run Ardour, a digital audio workstation that phones home and it phones home, while you are using TOR browser, a lot of the security provided by TOR could be null and void. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution/GPG
On Sun, 2016-02-21 at 16:48 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > Just for the files: What more would I do to see Stig's signature as > > valid for further mails ? > You would need to sign it to say that you verify that you know that > the signature belongs to him. Which is not advisable if you don't > know that for certain - since it creates faults in the web of trust. At this point the usage of gpg becomes dangerous. Ten days earlier: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2016-February/msg00118.html Let's repeat it: Since gpg can't solve issues caused by the users, going without gpg is much more secure, than using gpg without understanding it. It isn't a magic tool. Users unwilling to read available information or unable to understand it, don't get the needed knowledge by continuing asking questions, when they notice something unexpected. Such a user should be aware to miss a lot, so this user, in this case the OP, won't ask all needed questions. If a user doesn't read available information and is just asking, after noticing something, this user should become aware that what is noticed, likely is just the tip of the iceberg of missing knowledge. I strongly recommend not to use gpg, unless having an broad understanding, obtained by hard learning. The OPs questions are on a level compared to asking what menu needs to be clicked to delete a browser history or what to do, to use the rm command recursively. To understand gpg, this is the wrong approach. Usage of gpg can not be learned in the same way as it's possible to learn how to use a browser or a command line tool for averaged needs, it's required to understand gpg completely, not only one part of it, that is required for a moment. GPG is not just some other software that allows to cheat one's way through. This can be done for a browser, editor, music player, but not for security. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution/GPG
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 11:17:01 +0100, Stig Roar Wangberg wrote: >The files aren't dangerous in any way? I don't think so, but consider to use an online virus scanner. IMO it's dangerous, if a group of people feels secure using gpg, but having misconceptions about how it works. Once you figured out how to use it with Evolution, consider to read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust , never store encrypted mails unencrypted etc.. It might be more secure not to sign or encrypt messages and to be aware that they are not secure, than to guess gpg solves all security issues, since gpg can't solve issues caused by the users. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Is there a way to "refresh" Evolution instead of closing and opening it
Hi, sometimes there are minor issues as the one I experienced right now. Evolution 3.18.4 with POP accounts kept mails in the "Unmatched" folder after removing the one and only search folder. IOW "Edit > Search Folders" was empty, but the "Unmatched" folder contained emails. I wonder if there should be a dconf file, since usually there seems to be one, if I use Mate or GNOME apps. # ls -hAl /run/user/1000/dconf/ total 0 After closing and opening Evolution the "Unmatched" folder was emptied and I got a dconf file. # ls -hAl /run/user/1000/dconf/ total 4.0K -rw--- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 2 Feb 11 10:53 user Now I can't reproduce the issue. If I add and remove search folders everything is ok. Is there a way to "refresh" Evolution instead of closing and opening it, assumed something like this happens? Regards, Ralf PS: After pushing two times the return key, the window scrolling didn't follow the mouse pointer, I had to manually scroll. Now it's okay again, without closing and opening Evolution. Scrolling is done automatically if I push the return key. I don't know when exactly those minor issues started, but I noticed it a while ago. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution/GPG
On Fri, 2016-02-05 at 17:31 +, s...@openmailbox.org wrote: > Well, - suddenly everything's gone!! My Inbox, my threads, and > EVERYTHING! The only thing I did was to log out, turn off my computer > and turning it on later on. If you launch Evolution there's no Folder "Inbox"? Or is there a folder and you don't see any messages? Above the message view there's a box named "Show". Is the selection "All Messages"? ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution/GPG
On Fri, 05 Feb 2016 12:50:04 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >On Fri, 2016-02-05 at 07:24 +0100, Stig Roar Wangberg wrote: >> I get how to add my own GPG ID, my public key, but how do I add other >> people's public keys - which I need to send them encrypted letters, >> yes? >> Sorry, I'm really new to this, both Linux, GNOME, Trisquel and GPG. >> Please, I would love a little help. > >You import them from a key server, using their ID to look them up (the >ID is usually their email address). See the man page for gpg to see how >to do this directly. Popular key servers are pgp.mit.edu and >keys.gpg.org among others. The key servers keep themselves in sync so >it doesn't really matter which one you use. You can also visit those >sites with a web browser and look up the keys directly. I didn't follow this thread, just read this mail, my apologies assumed it was mentioned before. You could add an alias to your ~/.bashrc, so you only need to run gkey some_id [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep gkey ~/.bashrc alias gkey='gpg --keyserver hkp://pgp.uni-mainz.de --recv-keys' You could name the alias whatever you want, instead of "gkey". AFAIK it's also possible to retrieve keys automatically, but I would avoid doing this, since this is considered risky. You could add the following without the leading "#" to your ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep auto ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf # keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve Above this line a linen with a keyserver is required, e.g. keyserver hkp://pgp.uni-mainz.de Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Email composer butchering messages erratically
On Mon, 2016-02-01 at 20:58 -0500, Jeff F. T. wrote: > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?component=Composer=evol > ution=---=3.16.x=3.18.x > > (apologies for the HTML folks, but plaintext just doesn't like long > URLs) Evolution 3.18.4 Plain Text, Normal: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?component=Composer=evolut ion=---=3.16.x=3.18.x Plain Text, Preformatted: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?component=Composer=evolution=---=3.16.x=3.18.x Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Email composer butchering messages erratically
> On Mon, 2016-02-01 at 20:58 -0500, Jeff F. T. wrote: > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?component=Composer=ev > > olution=---=3.16.x=3.18.x > > > > (apologies for the HTML folks, but plaintext just doesn't like long > > URLs) > > Evolution 3.18.4 > > Plain Text, Normal: > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?component=Composer=evol > ution=---=3.16.x=3.18.x > > Plain Text, Preformatted: > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?component=Composer=evol > ution=---=3.16.x=3.18.x PS: Jeff, I've forgotten to mention that I set up Claws (another MUA), to display plain text, even if a mail provides HTML. I do not use the HTML plugin that is available for Claws. Since you send a multipart mail, HTML and plain text, the link by default is displayed broken by it's plain text part. I would need to select the HTML part of your mail, converted to plain text by Claws, by keeping the link intact. OTOH if you copy the link in Evolutions's composer after selecting "Plain Text, Preformatted", the link is ok when displaying it with Evolution and other MUAs (at least with Claws). HTML _never_ is the better choice. All MUAs I'm using provide options to automatically wrap plain text lines, but also to write or insert unwrapped lines, needed to e.g. paste scripts, the output of commands etc.. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Comparison of Evolution to Thunderbird
On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 14:53:29 +0200, Mark Elkins wrote: >ce list la, cette discussion, c'est officiel. mais ou sont les >francophones qui engage? Did you test the posted script? It seems to work for everything on your desktop, because it gets the output by xsel, no tweaks for evolution are need, assumed the script isn't broken. I didn't test it myself. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Comparison of Evolution to Thunderbird
On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 15:27:12 +0200, Mark Elkins wrote: >The primary reason is that I am getting a fair number of messages in >French and my French is not good. Up until now, I have been >copy'n'pasting the messages into translate.google.com - which is a bit >clumsy and means changing screens - etc. Now, I highlight the French >Text and click translate. This saves me time. Perhaps the filter option "Pipe to Program" or the plugin "External Editor" could help to use a script similar to http://hackerspace.kinja.com/highlight-and-google-translate-any-text-in-linux-1648824665 [1] , not necessarily by using a notification thingy. Perhaps an external editor already provides it, so you even might not need a script. I suspect nearly all Linux MUAs, if not all, allow to use, resp. include external programs or scripts. Regarding this I'm not familiar with Evolution. However, at least Claws and Evolution provide it, but I can't explain what exactly you need to do. [1] #!/usr/bin/env bash notify-send -u critical "$(xsel -o)" "$(wget -U "Mozilla/5.0" -qO - "http://translate.google.com/translate_a/t?client=t=$(xsel -o | sed "s/[\"'<>]//g")=auto=eng" | sed 's/\[\[\[\"//' | cut -d \" -f 1)" ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Comparison of Evolution to Thunderbird
PS: You seemingly don't need to include something to Evolution or any other MUA, just using the x clipboard features is all you need. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] contacts could not be opened
On Wed, 2016-01-27 at 11:56 +0100, Adolf > I have istalled Evolution vers. 3.10.4 on a new computer (Zorin > Ubuntu Linux OS9) This is the version you used to "restore" (not to import) the backup, right? I don't know if it matters, but with what version of Evolution did you make the backup? > what can I do to access the address data? In the past many users experienced Evolutions backup option as a PITA, you likely will find howtos by searching the Debian user mailing list. However, you need a backup of your old /home to restore everything, IIRC Evolution's own backups couldn't be used to restore everything. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] contacts could not be opened
On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:22:32 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: >On Wed, 2016-01-27 at 12:32 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> In the past many users experienced Evolutions backup option as a >> PITA, > >In the past many users also faced no problems at all with Evolution's >backup functionality. (Not sure how personal impressions combined with >using weasel words help a user or help making a case though...) Simply read the complete mail ;). I'm quite sure it was discussed a few times and explained what to do at the Debian user mailing list. For Ubuntu flavours and regarding this, for Ubuntu derivatives too, Debian is considered upstream, so following a howto from the Debian list could help the OP. You didn't provide any help at all. Why do you blame me for helping? ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Send account overrides
On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 16:37 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: > On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 12:11 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > 1. The composer preferences "Send account overrides" does only work > > for replies, not if you compose a new mail. > > No. > (But what I really want to express: Steps to reproduce and version > information would be extremely welcome.) Evo 3.18.4, POP accounts Push the "New" button. It doesn't matter what folder is selected, if all available folders have "None" "Send Account override", because there's no individual folder for e.g. the Evo mailing list. IOW the new message is opened with the default account, that is not equal to the composer preferences "Send account overrides" for the Evo mailing list. If I type evolution-list@gnome.org into the "To" box, the new mail stays with the default account, it does not switch to the account selected by composer preferences "Send account overrides" for this mailing list. I don't claim that this is a bug, I just want to inform, that it could be an issue for this kind of usage. > > 2. You might have noticed that from time to time Evo newbies can't > > find > > their mails, because the "Show" selection box by accident isn't set > > to > > "All Messages". That's not an issue for me, but sometimes it happens > > to > > me, that by the composer's "From" selection box unintended a wrong > > account is selected and I don't notice it. I suspect this happens by > > accident, perhaps by using the mouse wheel, while the mouse pointer > > is > > above the selection box. > > The "From" of a new message is based on which folder you're in but you > did not say if you experience the problem with new messages or > replies. It happens sometimes, if I want to reply. Now, as wanted, the "From" account mentioned by composer preferences "Send account overrides" is selected, the folder, in this case the Inbox, has got "None" "Send Account override". ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Google's blockage of Evolution with Gmail, and Web Presence of Evolution
On Sun, 2016-01-24 at 12:34 -0500, Nick Pontillo wrote: > *Forums are better than IRC and mailing lists because people don't > have to sign up to look at them*, therefore if someone is having a > problem they can look on the forum for solutions. Right now there is > no central place on the web where people can go to look for help and > tips with Evolution - unless they set up IRC, sign up to the mailing > list, or to the Gnome wiki. You might prefer forums, that's ok, but your claim that users need to be subscribe to read the Wiki or the Evolution mailing list is wrong. I dislike forums and IRC, but I like Wikis and mailing lists. Anyway, to read a Wiki or the Evolution mailing list archive(s), there's no need to be subscribed. IOW regarding this, there's no difference to a forum. You do not need to be subscribe to read the Evolution mailing list archive(s): https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/ http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.evolution.general You do not need to be subscribed to read the Wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/ Evolution provides a menu called "Help", resp. just push the "F1" key. There's also no need to be subscribed to the bug tracker to read reported bugs. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__all__=evolut ion_redirect=1=Importance=evolution_format=specif ic Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Google's blockage of Evolution with Gmail, and Web Presence of Evolution
On Sun, 2016-01-24 at 12:34 -0500, Nick Pontillo wrote: > *Forums are better than IRC and mailing lists because people don't > have to sign up to look at them*, therefore if someone is having a > problem they can look on the forum for solutions. Right now there is > no central place on the web where people can go to look for help and > tips with Evolution - unless they set up IRC, sign up to the mailing > list, or to the Gnome wiki. You might prefer forums, that's ok, but your claim that users need to be subscribe to read the Wiki or the Evolution mailing list is wrong. I dislike forums and IRC, but I like Wikis and mailing lists. Anyway, reading a Wiki or the Evolution mailing list archive(s), there's no need to be subscribed. IOW regarding this, there's no difference to a forum. You do not need to be subscribe to read the Evolution mailing list archive(s): https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/ http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.evolution.general You do not need to be subscribed to read the Wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/ Evolution provides a menu called "Help", resp. just push the "F1" key. There's also no need to be subscribed to the bug tracker to read reported bugs. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__all__=evolut ion_redirect=1=Importance=evolution_format=specif ic Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Send account overrides
Hi 1. The composer preferences "Send account overrides" does only work for replies, not if you compose a new mail. 2. You might have noticed that from time to time Evo newbies can't find their mails, because the "Show" selection box by accident isn't set to "All Messages". That's not an issue for me, but sometimes it happens to me, that by the composer's "From" selection box unintended a wrong account is selected and I don't notice it. I suspect this happens by accident, perhaps by using the mouse wheel, while the mouse pointer is above the selection box. Is this worth a feature request/bug report or considered as wanted? Is it preferred as it is by other Evo users? Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Google's blockage of Evolution with Gmail, and Web Presence of Evolution
On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 00:44 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 00:20 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > > You do not need to sign up to search the list archives either. > > > Messages from the Evolution list(s) are fully indexes and show up > > > in search engine results. > > > > > > > Unfortunately the results from the list archive don't show up in > > Google searches - for instance, if you search for "evolution gmail > > setup" (which would be a reasonable search term) the first page of > > results consist of Ubuntu / other distro specific forums and all > > refer to setting up IMAP with Gmail. In fact I've just gone all the > > way to the outer reaches of the search engine (i.e. page 10) and > > still no mention at all of the mailing list archive. > > Using "site:/mail.gnome.org evolution gmail imap" gives a lot of > responses, but I guess it's not totally obvious. The archive is also available by gmane. The gmane archive has it's own search engine. http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.evolution.general ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Google's blockage of Evolution with Gmail, and Web Presence of Evolution
On Sun, 2016-01-24 at 12:34 -0500, Nick Pontillo wrote: > *Forums are better than IRC and mailing lists because people don't > have to sign up to look at them*, therefore if someone is having a > problem they can look on the forum for solutions. Right now there is > no central place on the web where people can go to look for help and > tips with Evolution - unless they set up IRC, sign up to the mailing > list, or to the Gnome wiki. You might prefer forums, that's ok, but your claim that users need to be subscribe to read the Wiki or the Evolution mailing list is wrong. I dislike forums and IRC, but I like Wikis and mailing lists. Anyway, to read a Wiki or the Evolution mailing list archive(s), there's no need to be subscribed. IOW regarding this, there's no difference to a forum. You do not need to be subscribe to read the Evolution mailing list archive(s): https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/ http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.evolution.general You do not need to be subscribed to read the Wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/ Evolution provides a menu called "Help", resp. just push the "F1" key. There's also no need to be subscribed to the bug tracker to read reported bugs. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__all__=evolut ion_redirect=1=Importance=evolution_format=specif ic Regards, Ralf PS: By accident I send this mail two times from the wrong account. I'm even not sure if there's the need to be subscribed to the list, to write to it. My apologies, assumed the other two mails should come through too. Some mailman lists allow to cancel such posts instead of waiting for moderation. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Help needed with Evolution e-mail
On Fri, 2016-01-01 at 13:21 -0800, Jack Denman wrote: > ls -l ~/.local/share/evolution/mail > total 28 > drwx-- 3 jdenman users 4096 Jan 1 13:11 > 1317273380.15652.21@rigel > How do I get the rigel messages merged into the local folder. Any help > in understanding the problem and it solutions would be greatly > appreciated. It's a directory. What is it's contend? My POP account mails are located in ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/ not in ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/ With cat you could take a look at the content, but perhaps taking a look at the Subjects and/or Date using grep shows all you need to know. In ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/ there seems to be deleted spam mails or something similar: [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/1323712251.1853.2@archlinux/cache/3f/10abc0bfdd51 [snip] [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep Subject ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/1323712251.1853.2@archlinux/cache/3f/10abc0bfdd51 Subject: Undeliverable: DEAR FRIEND. Subject: DEAR FRIEND. Subject: DEAR FRIEND. Subject: DEAR FRIEND. [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$grep Date ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/1323712251.1853.2@archlinux/cache/3f/10abc0bfdd51 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:18:03 -0700 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:28:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:28:12 -0400 Arrival-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:18:02 + Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:28:12 -0400 [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Q evolution evolution-data-server evolution 3.18.3-1 evolution-data-server 3.18.3-1 Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] email colours
Hi Ian, On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:01:11 +1100, Ian wrote: >It seems the official repositories override any PPAs present, even if >(or maybe because) they contain newer versions. no, you most likely made an error. There are several possibilities what you might have done wrong. I suspect pinning isn't the issue, but assumed you already added and enabled the repository, you perhaps forgot to update, before you upgraded. If you didn't sync the package index, the package management isn't aware about the new packages. Reload, resp. synch the package index: sudo apt-get update Assumed the PPA split Evolution in packages the Ubuntu way, you don't need to remove or purge an existing version of Evolution, you just need to upgrade: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade Warning! Assumed you should have made this mistake, then it's not a good idea to install packages from a third party repository. Using third party repositories could break your install, if you don't understand what you're doing. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] email colours
On Thu, 2015-12-31 at 13:35 +, Emilio Recio wrote: > Speaking from experience (with RPM's) it's worked every time over > multiple versions of the OS and various installations. I'm an Arch Linux user, would you recommend to install devel packages on Arch Linux too? The OP on Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:39:57 +1100 wrote: >I just installed Evolution 3.10.4 in Elementary linux "elementary OS is a Linux distribution based on Ubuntu" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_OS So "apt-get build-dep evolution" is one way to get the build dependencies (at least for the version provided by the repositories). However, there's still the issue that a new version of Evolution likely requires at least versions of build and runtime dependencies that are not available by official Ubuntu repositories, in addition the dependencies for a new version might require software that wasn't required for an older version of Evolution. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] email colours
On Thu, 2015-12-31 at 14:52 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2015-12-31 at 13:35 +, Emilio Recio wrote: > > Speaking from experience (with RPM's) it's worked every time over > > multiple versions of the OS and various installations. > > I'm an Arch Linux user, would you recommend to install devel packages > on > Arch Linux too? > > The OP on Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:39:57 +1100 wrote: > > I just installed Evolution 3.10.4 in Elementary linux > > "elementary OS is a Linux distribution based on Ubuntu" > - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_OS > > So "apt-get build-dep evolution" is one way to get the build > dependencies (at least for the version provided by the repositories). > > However, there's still the issue that a new version of Evolution > likely > requires at least versions of build and runtime dependencies that are > not available by official Ubuntu repositories, in addition the > dependencies for a new version might require software that wasn't > required for an older version of Evolution. PS: When building Evolution there's also to consider that building it's data-server is required. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] email colours
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 12:55:29 +, Emilio Recio wrote: >I just installed the *-devel packages for evolution. This installed the >prerequisite *-devel libs, etc. Removed the specifically named >evolution packages. Killed all the specifically named evolution >background running programs. Then I downloaded the source, and >compiled it. To get build dependencies there are several ways to archive this, installing the devel packages, that belong to a package of software you want to build, unlikely does the job. One way that might work is to run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get build-dep evolution but this might not install all dependencies, that might be required for a new version of Evolution, it just will install the build dependencies required for the source package. Anyway, it might work. There are also several ways to build Evolution packages or just one package containing all in one, instead of installing it without building a package. It doesn't harm if the OP backups the install before continuing. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] email colours
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 14:20:38 +, Emilio Recio wrote: >Yeah, whatever the pre-req's are they need to be installed obviously. >Here's the configure steps that I use for compiling (after installing >the pre-req's): Explaining how to compile and if wanted how to build a package for an Ubuntu derivative distro isn't the issue, if there should be no dependency inconsistencies. The issue is that there most likely will be inconsistencies and most likely they cause a dependency hell. On the right site of the Debian Tracker links there are the Ubuntu related sources: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/evolution-data-server https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/evolution The sources include patches, configure options, build dependencies, all the needed info to build split packages for Ubuntu flavours and most likely for the Ubuntu derivative the OP is using too. Ubuntu even provides already Evolution 3.18.3 by the official repositories of the development branch. http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/evolution Instead of using your hints, the OP should use the Debian/Ubuntu sources and package build tools, assumed building Evolution should be an option for the OP. I doubt that it's possible to build latest version of Evolution by using shared libraries from the official repositories of the Ubuntu release the OP's distro is based upon. It's not impossible to build Evolution, but it most likely requires much more effort, than just providing a few config options. Maybe the PPA the OP wants to use, does provide evolution, perhaps without the need to use shared libraries or by updating shared libraries too. To cut a long story short, if you like to provide hints, take care about the distro the OP is using. Actually I don't know the OP's distro, but I at least have some knowledge about Ubuntu flavours. Other than e.g. Arch and maybe the RPM based distro you are using, Ubuntu is a release model distro with likely outdated dependencies, IOW it's most likely not that easy to build latest Evolution for a distro based on a release of Ubuntu. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Default sending account when replying
On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 12:07 -0500, a.gnome wrote: > On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 17:58 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Perhaps > > Edit > Preferences > Composer Preferences > Send Account > > is useful for you. Unfortunately you need to list the recipients for > > each account. > > > > Another possibility is to use the override option of the folder > > properties. > > Right click on a folder > Properties > Send Account Override > Can you confirm that at one point Evolution behaved as I described? No, I can't confirm this, but I set up complete POP/SMPT accounts only. Can't test Cc, but To isn't ignored. However, mailing lists usually don't use To, so only the default account can be used, if I don't use the above described solutions. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Default sending account when replying
On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 13:21 -0500, a.gnome wrote: > I have tried replying to several email messages with different "To" > addresses, and have tried explicit account override. In all cases > Evolution uses the same sending email address/account. Perhaps related to the send only aliases. A coder or Evo power-user might know what to do. I don't have a clue. Good luck! Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] DEB files 3.18.1 from https://launchpad.net/~tista/+archive/ubuntu/wayland/+build/8104779
On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 14:36:56 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: >On Fri, 2015-10-16 at 14:18 -0400, John Lauterbach wrote: >> In what order do the following DEB files need to be installed? > >Usually if you just put them all on the command line (or run "dpkg -i >*.deb") then dpkg will figure it out. Only if all dependencies are already installed. If the dependencies are not installed, than dpkg will not install the packages, if you only use the -i option. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] DEB files 3.18.1 from https://launchpad.net/~tista/+archive/ubuntu/wayland/+build/8104779
On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:33:55 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: >On Fri, 2015-10-16 at 20:44 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> >Usually if you just put them all on the command line (or run "dpkg >> >-i *.deb") then dpkg will figure it out. >> >> Only if all dependencies are already installed. If the dependencies >> are not installed, than dpkg will not install the packages, if you >> only use the -i option. > >Sure... dpkg doesn't install other packages at all, regardless of >options: it's a low-level tool without network download capability. >But dpkg will tell you what's missing and you can go install those via >apt-get or whatever. > >There are, of course, other ways to do it if you prefer. As already pointed out, the OP could resolve dependencies by apt-get, after installing with dpkg and a force option. [weremouse@moonstudio ~]$ man dpkg | grep force-things ; man dpkg | grep depends --force-things --no-force-things, --refuse-things support-predepends configure-any: Configure also any unpacked but unconfigured packages on which the current package depends. depends: Turn all dependency problems into warnings. depends-version: Don't care about versions when checking dependencies. --ignore-depends=package,... [weremouse@moonstudio ~]$ man apt-get | grep fix A specific source version can be retrieved by postfixing the source name with an equals and then the version to -f, --fix-broken -m, --ignore-missing, --fix-missing However, this doesn't solve another issue for inexperienced users. Wily isn't released yet, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule , so it's still possible that a soname issue could happen, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soname . Since the packages aren't from official repositories the OP might need to compile against a new lib after updating official packages. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] DEB files 3.18.1 from https://launchpad.net/~tista/+archive/ubuntu/wayland/+build/8104779
On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 14:18:31 -0400, John Lauterbach wrote:
>In what order do the following DEB files need to be installed?
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>John
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> * evolution-3.18.1+git20151008-0ubuntu2~wily1
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> * evolution-common-3.18.1+git20151008-0ubuntu2~wily1
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> * evolution-dbg-3.18.1+git20151008-0ubuntu2~wily1
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> * evolution-plugins-3.18.1+git20151008-0ubuntu2~wily1
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> evolution-plugins-experimental-3.18.1+git20151008-0ubuntu2~wily1
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> * libevolution-3.18.1+git20151008-0ubuntu2~wily1
More important than the order is to resolve the dependencies.
You don't need the dbg and dev packages.
sudo -i
rm evolution-{dbg,dev}*; dpkg -i --force-depends * && apt-get install -f
Perhaps it's not wise to use the development branch and to install
unofficial packages, if you need to ask this question.
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Re: [Evolution] Attaching MIDI files takes a long time
PS: For music productions I mount drives with noatime, this might be helpful for your usage too. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Attaching MIDI files takes a long time
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 14:14:36 +0200, Paul Menzel wrote: >Dear Evolution users, > > >attaching a MIDI file to a message blocks the composer window for >almost a minute. It looks like the reason is, that the executable >`totem-video-thumbnailer` is run. > >Where should I report this issue? Perhaps the performance issue is related to the file access, if e.g. several apps try to load/save data from/to the same hard disk drive. Maybe it's just a hardware limit. I wouldn't expect this from an averaged internal SATA HDD, but external drives with slow rotational speed connected by USB 1 or USB 2 might delay adding MIDI attachments. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] evolution 3.10 not sending messages from one of my mail acounts
> On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:11:39 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > >On Fri, 2015-09-25 at 16:15 +0200, Tom wrote: > >> ... or better ask them to continuously upgrade to a recent version > >> even in LTSs ! > > > >That's not possible. It's a big problem that newbies easily misunderstand the term "LTS". Even if it would be possible to provide upgrades because software doesn't share dependencies and even if it could be guaranteed that an upgrade wouldn't cause issues on any hardware somewhere on this planet, it's important not to upgrade to new releases, to avoid breaking work -flows. If one user needs 10 minutes to learn using an upgrade, it's no big deal. If 250 students or 250 employees from one day to another get jumped by updates, it not only becomes 2500 minutes, it also cause indignation and could interrupt projects at awkward moments. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Crash when cutting out addresses
On Wed, 2015-09-23 at 12:52 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2015-09-23 at 10:17 +0200, Wolf Drechsel wrote: > > can someone confirm this issue? > > > > When I insert an email address into the "to" line and try to ctrl-x > > it > > - evo will crash > > > > 3.16.0, ubuntu 15.04 > > Works for me (i.e. the Ctrl-X cuts the selected text as usual). > > Evo 3.16.5 Ctrl-X and delete-key work to delete an address in the "To:" line without a crash for Evolution 3.16.5 on x86_64 Arch Linux. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Links including umlauts are broken
On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:19:59 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: >On Sat, 2015-09-19 at 15:34 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> the problem is that I reported bugs, but I don't receive replies from >> the bug tracker when I'm asked to give additional information, to >> test >[snip] >Or in your email inbox when you expect bugmail notifications? >If it's the latter, could you send me some example URLs via private >email, so I could take a look and try to help fixing this problem? Hi Andre, I likely have an additional account, however, here are links of the account I still know and that I would use: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750201 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749203 I never received an email. The "General Preferences" and "Email Preferences" seem to be ok. I checked the junk mail folders of my MUAs POP accounts and the spam folder of the web mailer interface of rocketmail.com, but there were also no mails from the bug tracker. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Links including umlauts are broken
On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:24:59 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: >On Sat, 2015-09-19 at 15:06 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> Since I never receive replies from the bug tracker I have given up to >> report bugs and help to solve them, so I just want to inform about >> the issue here. > >Ralf, > >Do I get you correctly that you know the correct place to bring up such >stuff but instead you intentionally report your issues to a different >venue, to get attention by creating mail for every single list >subscriber about every single issue you're facing with some software? > >In that case I'll give up to help solving your issues and I will just >inform you about that every single time you send a message here. > >Or just set your account on moderation if you are going to continue to >(ab)use the time of members of this mailing list like that. > >Thanks for your understanding, >andre Hi Andre, the problem is that I reported bugs, but I don't receive replies from the bug tracker when I'm asked to give additional information, to test something etc., the bug tracker is set to inform me about replies and in Evo's or in my ISP's junk folder there are no replies, IOW I get not informed about replies. I already reported this. However, I only try to help, feel free to ignore my report. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
