Re: [Evolution] Tranfer of accounts [Scanned]

2012-05-10 Thread Zan Lynx
On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 21:18 +1000, Christopher M Bailey wrote:
 On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 11:44 +0200, Antonio M wrote:
[snip]
  evolution-3.2.3-3 on the old computer with Fedora 16
   Evolution 3.4.1 is running on Fedora 17
  
 Hang on, have I got this right? You're running BETA software (Fedora 16
 is the latest stable release), did not use the recommended method for
 transferring data and have cleansed the original system before checking
 to see if your backups are usable?  I'm confident the folks here will be
 able to help you out, if it is possible.  However I think that the
 lesson to be learnt here is to plain your migrations, especially when
 beta code is involved.

Actually the real problem is with whoever thought a separate backup and
restore tool for an email application was a good idea.

For more than 20 years a simple backup of all the files in your home
directory has been enough to get everything restored.

Yet someone, somewhere decided to change that and seems to expect that
every user of evolution has looked for a backup option (in the email
client? what?).

Even when things did happen, such as a change from mbox to maildir,
there was a simple tool to run that would do the conversion. Where is
that tool for Evolution? And no, installing a complete copy of the older
Evolution and all its support libraries (and their libraries, etc.) is
not a simple tool.
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Re: [Evolution] Tranfer of accounts [Scanned]

2012-05-10 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 10:48 -0600, Zan Lynx wrote: 
 On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 21:18 +1000, Christopher M Bailey wrote:
 Actually the real problem is with whoever thought a separate backup and
 restore tool for an email application was a good idea
 For more than 20 years a simple backup of all the files in your home
 directory has been enough to get everything restored.

That *is* enough.  You backup and restore your home directory  [not a
cherry picked backup] - and it works.  I've done it many times.

 Yet someone, somewhere decided to change that and seems to expect that
 every user of evolution has looked for a backup option (in the email
 client? what?).

Yep.  A great idea for when you just want to backup or transfer the
contents managed by that application.

 Even when things did happen, such as a change from mbox to maildir,
 there was a simple tool to run that would do the conversion. Where is
 that tool for Evolution? 

The tools *is* Evolution.  It just couldn't be easier.  Evolution will
migrate forward from previous versions - to a reasonable degree.  And if
you explicitly choose to use mbox or maildir - it support that.

I just don't see what you are complaining about.


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Re: [Evolution] Tranfer of accounts [Scanned]

2012-05-07 Thread Christopher M Bailey
On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 11:44 +0200, Antonio M wrote:
 
 
 2012/5/7 Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net
 On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 11:21 +0200, Antonio M wrote:
  Evolution 3.4.1
 
 Which distro is this?
 And which version was on the old computer?
 
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 evolution-3.2.3-3 on the old computer with Fedora 16
  Evolution 3.4.1 is running on Fedora 17
 
Hang on, have I got this right? You're running BETA software (Fedora 16
is the latest stable release), did not use the recommended method for
transferring data and have cleansed the original system before checking
to see if your backups are usable?  I'm confident the folks here will be
able to help you out, if it is possible.  However I think that the
lesson to be learnt here is to plain your migrations, especially when
beta code is involved.

Cheers,
Chris


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Re: [Evolution] Tranfer of accounts [Scanned]

2012-05-07 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 21:18 +1000, Christopher M Bailey wrote: 
 On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 11:44 +0200, Antonio M wrote:
  evolution-3.2.3-3 on the old computer with Fedora 16
   Evolution 3.4.1 is running on Fedora 17
 Hang on, have I got this right? You're running BETA software (Fedora 16
 is the latest stable release), did not use the recommended method for
 transferring data and have cleansed the original system before checking
 to see if your backups are usable?  I'm confident the folks here will be
 able to help you out, if it is possible.  However I think that the
 lesson to be learnt here is to plain your migrations, especially when
 beta code is involved.

Everything needed to piece together a borked [1] is found at
http://library.gnome.org/users/evolution/3.2/data-storage.html.en

http://geekubuntu.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/how-to-backup-evolution-mail/ 
might also be somewhat helpful but is *really* out of date.

[1] borked by the user - this is *NOT* Evolution's or GNOME's fault; so
no messages with subjects like evolution is not reliable

For a sane/correct way to do this - 
http://www.ghacks.net/2010/05/31/backup-and-restore-evolution/
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1588451




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