Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V3
On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 18:11 -0600, Tim McConnell via evolution-list wrote: > On Tue, 2022-11-08 at 08:08 +0800, Luigi Cantoni via evolution-list > wrote: > > Thanks Patrick, > > Yes I could not agree more. > > We need to decide on the new list as the priority. > > > > Lets stay on subject. > > ___ > > evolution-list mailing list > > evolution-list@gnome.org > > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list > > Yes please! This list has been more helpful than other methods of > Troubleshooting for me an I'm going to loathe losing it. +1 John Austin ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V3
On Tue, 2022-11-08 at 08:08 +0800, Luigi Cantoni via evolution-list wrote: > Thanks Patrick, > Yes I could not agree more. > We need to decide on the new list as the priority. > > Lets stay on subject. > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list Yes please! This list has been more helpful than other methods of Troubleshooting for me an I'm going to loathe losing it. -- Tim McConnell ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V3
Thanks Patrick, Yes I could not agree more. We need to decide on the new list as the priority. Lets stay on subject. -- Thanks Luigi Cantoni -Original Message- From: Patrick O'Callaghan To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2022 18:15:36 + Mailer: Evolution 3.44.4 (3.44.4-2.fc36) On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 18:30 +0100, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote: > On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 09:07 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > quoted context > > Hi, > > right now the same topic is endlessly discussed on > questi...@freebsd.org > and on evolution-list@gnome.org . It is discussed every now and then > on > every computer related mailing list. On questi...@freebsd.org and on > evolution-list@gnome.org it's not discussed for the first time, it's > not > discussed for the second time, it's not discussed for the... > > If somebody is new to a computer related mailing list or if somebody > every now and then makes a mistake, be polite. If a subscriber wants > to > change common computer mailing list's posting style rules, ignore the > subscriber. > > If an English language mailing list is to old fashioned, because it > isn't hip anymore to write from left to right and from top to bottom > or > to reply by using context, people are free to use a hip media. > Everybody > is free trying to solve a technical issue by exchanging ideas with > spaghetti formatted HTML text and thumbs up icons. > > The next step is to use software written in > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti_code . > > An insider tip, spaghetti code is the new black. I think it's probably better to drop this discussion, at least for now. We are in the process of trying to decide whether to set up a new list. If people want to discuss correct usage on that new list, if and when it happens, then fine, but for now let's all take a step back. Thanks. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 18:30 +0100, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote: > On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 09:07 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > quoted context > > Hi, > > right now the same topic is endlessly discussed on > questi...@freebsd.org > and on evolution-list@gnome.org . It is discussed every now and then > on > every computer related mailing list. On questi...@freebsd.org and on > evolution-list@gnome.org it's not discussed for the first time, it's > not > discussed for the second time, it's not discussed for the... > > If somebody is new to a computer related mailing list or if somebody > every now and then makes a mistake, be polite. If a subscriber wants > to > change common computer mailing list's posting style rules, ignore the > subscriber. > > If an English language mailing list is to old fashioned, because it > isn't hip anymore to write from left to right and from top to bottom > or > to reply by using context, people are free to use a hip media. > Everybody > is free trying to solve a technical issue by exchanging ideas with > spaghetti formatted HTML text and thumbs up icons. > > The next step is to use software written in > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti_code . > > An insider tip, spaghetti code is the new black. I think it's probably better to drop this discussion, at least for now. We are in the process of trying to decide whether to set up a new list. If people want to discuss correct usage on that new list, if and when it happens, then fine, but for now let's all take a step back. Thanks. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 09:07 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > quoted context Hi, right now the same topic is endlessly discussed on questi...@freebsd.org and on evolution-list@gnome.org . It is discussed every now and then on every computer related mailing list. On questi...@freebsd.org and on evolution-list@gnome.org it's not discussed for the first time, it's not discussed for the second time, it's not discussed for the... If somebody is new to a computer related mailing list or if somebody every now and then makes a mistake, be polite. If a subscriber wants to change common computer mailing list's posting style rules, ignore the subscriber. If an English language mailing list is to old fashioned, because it isn't hip anymore to write from left to right and from top to bottom or to reply by using context, people are free to use a hip media. Everybody is free trying to solve a technical issue by exchanging ideas with spaghetti formatted HTML text and thumbs up icons. The next step is to use software written in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti_code . An insider tip, spaghetti code is the new black. Regards, Ralf PS: I sent this to both lists :p. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
Torsten Krah via evolution-list said on Mon, 07 Nov 2022 11:56:54 +0100 >Am Montag, dem 07.11.2022 um 10:40 + schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan: >> Sorry, but it really isn't at all clear unless the reader scrolls >> back >> to look at the earlier mail you are replying to, which for some >> people >> might mean looking at the archive. That's why we encourage people to >> always quote the relevant part when replying. >> >> poc > >I don't expect that people are scrolling if they use the threading info >on the mail which puts it where it does belong in evolution - we're on >the evolution list, right ;) - with threaded view on it is placed where >it should and that people archive their mails on an ongoing discussion >... may happen yes, but in that case => yes they need the archive if >they want to have context - or just ignore it ;) So let me get this straight. Because of your expectations that everybody uses a threaded view (I don't), you don't include context. Is it really that difficult to include quoted context for just the info you put in your reply? SteveT Steve Litt Summer 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 11:56 +0100, Torsten Krah via evolution-list wrote: > Am Montag, dem 07.11.2022 um 10:40 + schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan: > > Sorry, but it really isn't at all clear unless the reader scrolls > > back > > to look at the earlier mail you are replying to, which for some > > people > > might mean looking at the archive. That's why we encourage people > > to > > always quote the relevant part when replying. > > > > poc > > I don't expect that people are scrolling if they use the threading > info > on the mail which puts it where it does belong in evolution - we're > on > the evolution list, right ;) - with threaded view on it is placed > where > it should and that people archive their mails on an ongoing > discussion > ... may happen yes, but in that case => yes they need the archive if > they want to have context - or just ignore it ;) > > So we can agree to disagree on that matter (partly) and move on ;-). I think it's unwise to assume that everyone reads mail in the same way, or that everyone keeps every ongoing thread in their mailbox (even assuming there is a precise meaning for "ongoing"). poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
Am Montag, dem 07.11.2022 um 10:40 + schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan: > Sorry, but it really isn't at all clear unless the reader scrolls > back > to look at the earlier mail you are replying to, which for some > people > might mean looking at the archive. That's why we encourage people to > always quote the relevant part when replying. > > poc I don't expect that people are scrolling if they use the threading info on the mail which puts it where it does belong in evolution - we're on the evolution list, right ;) - with threaded view on it is placed where it should and that people archive their mails on an ongoing discussion ... may happen yes, but in that case => yes they need the archive if they want to have context - or just ignore it ;) So we can agree to disagree on that matter (partly) and move on ;-). cheers -- ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 08:47 +0100, Torsten Krah via evolution-list wrote: > Am Mittwoch, dem 02.11.2022 um 20:09 + schrieb Patrick > O'Callaghan: > > What option? Please quote some context when replying, otherwise > > it's > > not clear what you mean. > > In general you are right, but that answer was a reply to only one > option available in that mail from Greg asking if that would be > possible as well, so it is clear even without quoting it - just to be > complete: > > ... > re-homed to a freedesktop.org list > ... Sorry, but it really isn't at all clear unless the reader scrolls back to look at the earlier mail you are replying to, which for some people might mean looking at the archive. That's why we encourage people to always quote the relevant part when replying. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
Am Mittwoch, dem 02.11.2022 um 20:09 + schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan: > What option? Please quote some context when replying, otherwise it's > not clear what you mean. In general you are right, but that answer was a reply to only one option available in that mail from Greg asking if that would be possible as well, so it is clear even without quoting it - just to be complete: ... re-homed to a freedesktop.org list ... kind regards Torsten -- ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Sat, 2022-11-05 at 14:36 +0100, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote: > On Sat, 2022-11-05 at 14:26 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > 1. > > https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/ > > https://osuosl.org/request-hosting/ > > The mc mailing list already migrated from gnome.org to OSU OSL. > Yury V. Zaytsev yury at shurup.com seems to be the one responsible > for > doing it. Consider to ask Yury V. Zaytsev. > > https://lists.midnight-commander.org/pipermail/mc/2022-October/005510.html > https://lists.midnight-commander.org/mailman/listinfo/mc I've contacted OSUOSL about this. Let's see what they say. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Sat, 2022-11-05 at 14:26 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > 1. > https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/ > https://osuosl.org/request-hosting/ The mc mailing list already migrated from gnome.org to OSU OSL. Yury V. Zaytsev yury at shurup.com seems to be the one responsible for doing it. Consider to ask Yury V. Zaytsev. https://lists.midnight-commander.org/pipermail/mc/2022-October/005510.html https://lists.midnight-commander.org/mailman/listinfo/mc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Sat, 2022-11-05 at 13:10 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > If anyone has more insight, please let me know. No, I don't have more inside, let alone that I dislike freedesktop.org, but there are still other option: 1. https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/ https://osuosl.org/request-hosting/ 2. https://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/html_node/Creating-Mailing-Lists.html new-mailing-l...@gnu.org 3. https://support.riseup.net/en/ticket/3227QJ76OfCW7Ci7 https://riseup.net/en/lists/list-admin/configuration/creating-lists Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Thu, 2022-11-03 at 12:53 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2022-11-03 at 08:03 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list > wrote: > > On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:20 -0400, Jim Popovitch via evolution-list > > wrote: > > > I offered, and still do offer, to host mail.gnome.org. > > > > Hi, > > thanks for the offer, and even I do not speak for the GNOME admins, > > do > > not count with it, they are not going to do/allow it. > > > > What about co-moderating the new evo list, wherever it will be? > > > > Speaking of which, as other mailing list(s) are moving to the > > freedesktop.org (the network manager list had been mentioned here), > > I > > think, and believe, it would be a perfect fit for the evo list as > > well. > > I tend to agree. Although munging the DNS record would be the most > painless solution, I really doubt that Gnome would allow it as they > would be in effect handing over responsibility for part of their own > domain, at least in terms of perception. > > If we can get a Gnome admin to provide a membership list in a format > suitable for upload to Mailman3, I think this is a promising > direction > to go in. I mailed the freedesktop people a couple of days ago: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/sitewranglers/2022-November/013286.html but have had no reply. Possibly that isn't the right mailing address, but it was the only one I could see that seemed relevant. If anyone has more insight, please let me know. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Thu, 2022-11-03 at 19:52 +0100, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote: > On Thu, 2022-11-03 at 13:47 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:23 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > There may be such things in Mailman3, but currently we have > > > Mailman2 > > > and Gnome isn't going to change it. > > > > Turns out that freedesktop.org also uses Mailman2. However that > > version > > does allow the list owner to upload a list of subscribers, > > something I > > hadn't noticed before now. > > I pointed this out earlier and recommended to ask if they will > migrate > to Mailman 3 or a similar mailing list software or if they consider > to > migrate to a forum software, too. I'll bear that in mind. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Thu, 2022-11-03 at 13:47 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:23 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > There may be such things in Mailman3, but currently we have Mailman2 > > and Gnome isn't going to change it. > > Turns out that freedesktop.org also uses Mailman2. However that version > does allow the list owner to upload a list of subscribers, something I > hadn't noticed before now. I pointed this out earlier and recommended to ask if they will migrate to Mailman 3 or a similar mailing list software or if they consider to migrate to a forum software, too. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:23 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > There may be such things in Mailman3, but currently we have Mailman2 > and Gnome isn't going to change it. Turns out that freedesktop.org also uses Mailman2. However that version does allow the list owner to upload a list of subscribers, something I hadn't noticed before now. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Thu, 2022-11-03 at 08:03 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > > What about co-moderating the new evo list, wherever it will be? Sure. > > Speaking of which, as other mailing list(s) are moving to the > freedesktop.org (the network manager list had been mentioned here), I > think, and believe, it would be a perfect fit for the evo list as well. If only a few lists are going to migrate to new platforms, then freedesktop.org seems like the prefect fit. -Jim P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Thu, 2022-11-03 at 08:03 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:20 -0400, Jim Popovitch via evolution-list > wrote: > > I offered, and still do offer, to host mail.gnome.org. > > Hi, > thanks for the offer, and even I do not speak for the GNOME admins, > do > not count with it, they are not going to do/allow it. > > What about co-moderating the new evo list, wherever it will be? > > Speaking of which, as other mailing list(s) are moving to the > freedesktop.org (the network manager list had been mentioned here), I > think, and believe, it would be a perfect fit for the evo list as > well. I tend to agree. Although munging the DNS record would be the most painless solution, I really doubt that Gnome would allow it as they would be in effect handing over responsibility for part of their own domain, at least in terms of perception. If we can get a Gnome admin to provide a membership list in a format suitable for upload to Mailman3, I think this is a promising direction to go in. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Thu, 2022-11-03 at 03:33 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Paul Smith said on Wed, 02 Nov 2022 12:36:54 -0400 > > > > Alternatively of course we can announce the new list (as I said before > > it doesn't HAVE to be done before this list closes: it can be announced > > on Discourse) and let people subscribe on their own. > > Just speaking for myself, I won't be on Discourse, so I'll never hear > about it. Hi, I'm subscribed to at least one Discourse forum, but I will not take care about Discourse GNOME, too. The Discourse forum I'm subscribed to is a forum for proprietary software, but completely different to the GNOME's forum, since this forum doesn't obtrude all this gamicfication crap and it's overall visually more discreet designed. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
Paul Smith said on Wed, 02 Nov 2022 12:36:54 -0400 >Alternatively of course we can announce the new list (as I said before >it doesn't HAVE to be done before this list closes: it can be announced >on Discourse) and let people subscribe on their own. Just speaking for myself, I won't be on Discourse, so I'll never hear about it. SteveT Steve Litt Summer 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:20 -0400, Jim Popovitch via evolution-list wrote: > I offered, and still do offer, to host mail.gnome.org. Hi, thanks for the offer, and even I do not speak for the GNOME admins, do not count with it, they are not going to do/allow it. What about co-moderating the new evo list, wherever it will be? Speaking of which, as other mailing list(s) are moving to the freedesktop.org (the network manager list had been mentioned here), I think, and believe, it would be a perfect fit for the evo list as well. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 16:27 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > poc, there had been multiple people offering help even with the > infrastructure. In case the current list admins do not respond, say > till the 6th (this Sunday), would it make sense to engage those folks, > if they are still willing to co-admin the list, wherever it is? There > should be a voice from them too, of course. I suppose to make the list > alive will take some time, hence I chose the 6th, to have at least a > week for it to set up. Hi, I'm willing to help. I'm an experienced FLOSS user, but I have got zero experiences with mailing lists. I'm a former Assembler programmer, I don't have any python knowledge. IOW I'm a power user, not a coder. My free time is quite limited. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:23 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On 2/11/22 19:53, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 08:19 +0800, Luigi Cantoni via evolution-list > > wrote: > > > Many people have contributed their ideas as to how to move forward so > > > I > > > hope there is enough now suggested so that we can do that. > > > > > > Can I ask the Moderators and those that contribute a lot to this list > > > to decide where we migrate to before they shut us down. > > > I for one don't what to be left hanging and will happily "follow the > > > leaders". > > > > I've contacted the other moderators to see if we can reach a consensus > > on this, but have yet to hear back from them. We'll certainly inform > > the list if we have something to say. > > > > At the moment, my impression is that everyone is waiting for someone > > else to take a decision, and time is passing by. Clearly the moderators > > can't simply dictate what's going to happen. As things stand, it > > appears to be inevitable that the current list will be discontinued and > > that Evolution support will be provided on Discourse, no matter what > > any of us think. Therefore the temptation to set up a new list > > independent of gnome.org has to be weighed against the probable > > fragmentation of the community, which would not be ideal. However it's > > not out of the question. > > > > One thing I can say is that I would not take on the responsibility of > > managing a new list on my own. Moderating the current list is not a > > particularly onerous task because much of the infrastructure is > > provided by Gnome and we interact with it using a Mailman web page. > > Also, it's shared among three people. However anyone who proposes a new > > list should be willing to take on the task of administering it. > > This already been taken care of. > > If people choose to disregard what has been done for them, and simply > keep discussing, and not doing anything about it, then that is their choice. > > I will not again mention on this list, that a mailing list has been set > up, by someone willing to administer it, to which, so far, only about > thirty people have subscribed. Hi, this is the mentioned list that already exists: https://groups.io/g/evolution-users It is limited to 100 subscribers. Here we much likely could get a mailing list without a user limit: https://support.riseup.net/en/ticket/3227QJ76OfCW7Ci7 Everybody can open the ticket at riseup.net. I could do, but I'm not a moderator or admin of evolution-list@gnome.org . Do the moderators wish that I ask to open a mailing list? The list's archives seem to view HTML instead of plain text messages: https://lists.riseup.net/www/ The MC mailing list migrated to OSU OSL. They got all the data from gnome.org, so as a subscriber I had to do nothing, excepted of using m...@lists.midnight-commander.org instead of m...@gnome.org . I suspect OSU OSL is: https://osuosl.org/ Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:20 -0400, Jim Popovitch via evolution-list wrote: > On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 16:27 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list > wrote: > > > > I think there had been at least two other folks mentioned here, but > > I > > lost their names, I'm sorry. If you read this, please respond. > > > > I offered, and still do offer, to host mail.gnome.org. That is to > say, > have the Gnome DNS administrator change the DNS for mail.gnome.org to > point to my existing infrastructure (I can provide them all the > details > like IP addrs, DNS TXT/SPF/_dmarc records, etc) and allow me to rsync > the /var/lib/mailman folder that is currently on > restaurant.gnome.org. > Nobody would have to change mailing lists, everything would work like > it > does today (with minimal downtime due to DNS TTL, which could always > be > shortened). Gnome would retain control of the DNS settings, I would > quietly and passively run the Mailman system as I already do for > others. > > Someone put me in touch with whoever is root on resturant.g.o, and > whoever is root on ns-master.g.o. > > -Jim P. (aka jim...@domainmail.org) > > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list >Someone put me in touch with whoever is root on resturant.g.o, and > whoever is root on ns-master.g.o. +1 for this option. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 16:27 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > > I think there had been at least two other folks mentioned here, but I > lost their names, I'm sorry. If you read this, please respond. > I offered, and still do offer, to host mail.gnome.org. That is to say, have the Gnome DNS administrator change the DNS for mail.gnome.org to point to my existing infrastructure (I can provide them all the details like IP addrs, DNS TXT/SPF/_dmarc records, etc) and allow me to rsync the /var/lib/mailman folder that is currently on restaurant.gnome.org. Nobody would have to change mailing lists, everything would work like it does today (with minimal downtime due to DNS TTL, which could always be shortened). Gnome would retain control of the DNS settings, I would quietly and passively run the Mailman system as I already do for others. Someone put me in touch with whoever is root on resturant.g.o, and whoever is root on ns-master.g.o. -Jim P. (aka jim...@domainmail.org) ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 16:27 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > I think there had been at least two other folks mentioned here, but I > lost their names, I'm sorry. If you read this, please respond. I would mod or admin a new list. I don't have experience but I'm willing to learn. Gabe ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 11:53 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > One thing I can say is that I would not take on the responsibility of > managing a new list on my own. Moderating the current list is not a > particularly onerous task because much of the infrastructure is > provided by Gnome and we interact with it using a Mailman web page. > Also, it's shared among three people. However anyone who proposes a > new > list should be willing to take on the task of administering it. A > Mailman system would probably be easiest, but it would need to be set > up and populated i.e. users would have to go through the individual > registration system since as Milan pointed out we probably can't > simply > import the current membership automatically. > > Cheers > > poc I'd be willing to admin or mod a new list. I'm reading up about those roles and mailman in general. I'd also be willing to help out any other way I can. Gabe ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 12:36 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > Alternatively of course we can announce the new list (as I said > before > it doesn't HAVE to be done before this list closes: it can be > announced > on Discourse) and let people subscribe on their own. If that becomes the case then hopefully subscribe info is posted lots of other places as well, otherwise it makes discourse basically the gatekeeper for the list. That would not be ideal at all and would make the email list redundant. Gabe ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 18:02 +0100, Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list wrote: > Dnia 2.11.2022 o godz. 12:36:54 Paul Smith pisze: > > to create such a list, and (b) someone with admin privileges to the > > current list to get all the subscriber emails so they can be bulk- > > added. I know that moderators don't have such privileges (I run > > some > > mailman lists myself as an admin, with some moderators helping). > > It depends on the settings of the particular list. You can configure > the > list so that even any subscriber has access to the subscribers list. > > Of course, this list can be quite possibly configured so that only > admin has > access to that list. The moderators can see all the subscribers. However that data is not available to us as a simple text file, CSV file or database, but as a set of web pages, ordered alphabetically. There are no facilities for dumping the entire list, or for uploading a list of subscribers. There may be such things in Mailman3, but currently we have Mailman2 and Gnome isn't going to change it. So sending individual messages to each member means doing it manually 850 or so times or writing some web-scraping software to get the info. No thanks. Clearly the transition to Discourse will use some automated procedure, but that's under the control of Gnome admins, not us. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 17:26 +0100, Torsten Krah via evolution-list wrote: > +1 from me for this option if it is possible to do with that list as > well. What option? Please quote some context when replying, otherwise it's not clear what you mean. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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On 2/11/22 23:27, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:23 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: It is clear that the vast majority simply do not want a mailing list. Hi, well, I believe that's a wrong assumption. You might also consider that if "random people create random list" is not the right thing to do. The community should work together, not to be split, because some random folks think they do the best for the community even they do not wait for the community decision. Okay, yes, there is not much time, that's true, but still. As had been said by someone, there can be made also a Discourse post about where the "real" new mailing list is handled. That's the reason why I didn't act on my own and did not create the list myself, on a place I would prefer. I want to be sure the people are willing to move that way first. And there are supposed to be multiple moderators/admins, as poc said. I'm not the admin at the moment and I'd prefer not to be. I've no idea how long I'll stay with the project and my free time is kinda limited, as for everybody else. poc, there had been multiple people offering help even with the infrastructure. In case the current list admins do not respond, say till the 6th (this Sunday), would it make sense to engage those folks, if they are still willing to co-admin the list, wherever it is? There should be a voice from them too, of course. I suppose to make the list alive will take some time, hence I chose the 6th, to have at least a week for it to set up. Bret, what about you? Would you be willing to co-admin such list? I think there had been at least two other folks mentioned here, but I lost their names, I'm sorry. If you read this, please respond. Just my personal opinion and thoughts. Thanks and bye, Milan At the time, and, in the absence of any alternative, and, at the request of one of the subscribers, I set up the list at groups.io, wherein I am the list administrator. I did this to provide a list for subscribers, in, at that time, the absence of any alternative, other than the forum that was mentioned, to provide for people who simply wanted a mailing list. I had set up the list at groups.io for users of the gimp, and, offered to set up the list for evolution users. I also set up a third list for a gnome application, but, on that third list, from memory, less than ten people have subscribed. I did not, at any time, seek to divide users in any act of sabotage - I had that done to me, when, some years ago, I was involved in the migration from Rootsweb. What then happened, was that an area of genealogy, that had been quite active, in mailing lists, was gratuitously sabotaged by some people. I simply acted to provide a mailing list for evolution users, to replace this list, in the absence of any alternative mailing list having been proposed, and, at that time, the deadline was 31 October. As is shown on the web page for the groups.io list, I set that up, on 24 October (in the time of the applicable timezone for where the list is hosted). So, that list has existed for about ten days, and now shows as having 31 subscribers (including me), indicating that less than ten per cent of the subscribers of this list, have subscribed to it. Some suggested that the list at groups.io, be used solely as a stepping stone, until an alternative to it, would be established - I had set it up, with the intention of it being permanent. But, it appears that the vast majority of subscribers to this list, do not want anything to do with it. So, I have done my bit for the subscribers of this list, and, they have shown what they think of that. Less than ten percent, support it. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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Dnia 2.11.2022 o godz. 12:36:54 Paul Smith pisze: > to create such a list, and (b) someone with admin privileges to the > current list to get all the subscriber emails so they can be bulk- > added. I know that moderators don't have such privileges (I run some > mailman lists myself as an admin, with some moderators helping). It depends on the settings of the particular list. You can configure the list so that even any subscriber has access to the subscribers list. Of course, this list can be quite possibly configured so that only admin has access to that list. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 16:18 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > I think that should be possible here as well, no? > > Not sure how that works. Was that email addressed directly to you, or > was it a general post to the list? I am also on the network-manager list. What happened was that someone arranged for a new list to be created on freedesktop.org (which uses mailmain) and then an administrator for the Gnome list got all the addresses currently subscribed, and then they were added to the new list using bulk subscription in the mailman interface, with a requested approval. When that happens mailman will email each user with a standard mailman subscription email (reply or click a link to subscribe) and once they do the deed, they are subscribed to the new list. If they don't do anything, they are not subscribed. In order for something like that to happen here we'd need (a) someone to create such a list, and (b) someone with admin privileges to the current list to get all the subscriber emails so they can be bulk- added. I know that moderators don't have such privileges (I run some mailman lists myself as an admin, with some moderators helping). Alternatively of course we can announce the new list (as I said before it doesn't HAVE to be done before this list closes: it can be announced on Discourse) and let people subscribe on their own. Note that I personally have not had good experiences with groups.io lists (as I described earlier) and I'm not really interested in subscribing to more lists on that service, and so I have not done so. But that's just me and of course if that's where others want to go then they should surely do so. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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+1 from me for this option if it is possible to do with that list as well. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 10:45 -0500, Greg Oliver via evolution-list wrote: > I know I said I would not chime in again regarding the mailing list, > but I also subscribe to one other list "network-manager" that is/was > housed on gnome infrastructure. Today I received a very simple email > from it that stated it was being re-homed to a freedesktop.org list > and a simple reply to that email (with nothing else) subscribed me to > it. > > I think that should be possible here as well, no? Not sure how that works. Was that email addressed directly to you, or was it a general post to the list? poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 16:27 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:23 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > It is clear that the vast majority simply do not want a mailing > > list. > > Hi, > well, I believe that's a wrong assumption. You might also consider > that > if "random people create random list" is not the right thing to do. > The > community should work together, not to be split, because some random > folks think they do the best for the community even they do not wait > for the community decision. Okay, yes, there is not much time, > that's > true, but still. As had been said by someone, there can be made also > a > Discourse post about where the "real" new mailing list is handled. > > That's the reason why I didn't act on my own and did not create the > list myself, on a place I would prefer. I want to be sure the people > are willing to move that way first. And there are supposed to be > multiple moderators/admins, as poc said. I'm not the admin at the > moment and I'd prefer not to be. I've no idea how long I'll stay with > the project and my free time is kinda limited, as for everybody else. > > poc, there had been multiple people offering help even with the > infrastructure. In case the current list admins do not respond, say > till the 6th (this Sunday), would it make sense to engage those > folks, > if they are still willing to co-admin the list, wherever it is? There > should be a voice from them too, of course. I suppose to make the > list > alive will take some time, hence I chose the 6th, to have at least a > week for it to set up. > > Bret, what about you? Would you be willing to co-admin such list? > > I think there had been at least two other folks mentioned here, but I > lost their names, I'm sorry. If you read this, please respond. > > Just my personal opinion and thoughts. I basically agree with all the above. If there is general agreement, I'm willing to continue as a co-moderator, but equally willing to pass that on to someone else. In case it's not sufficiently clear: we are moderators, not administrators. We have *no power* over the list other than defining certain policies (e.g. no digests), dealing with spam, and managing membership. We have nothing to do with the hosting platform or the Mailman implementation. IOW a decision to set up an alternate list doesn't rely on us in any way. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:23 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > One thing I can say is that I would not take on the responsibility > > of > > managing a new list on my own. Moderating the current list is not a > > particularly onerous task because much of the infrastructure is > > provided by Gnome and we interact with it using a Mailman web page. > > Also, it's shared among three people. However anyone who proposes a > > new > > list should be willing to take on the task of administering it. > > This already been taken care of. It hasn't been "taken care of". You have indeed set up a list, but others have also mentioned alternatives. What I would hope is that there be some agreement to avoid fracturing the community more than is necessary. > If people choose to disregard what has been done for them, and simply > keep discussing, and not doing anything about it, then that is their > choice. > > I will not again mention on this list, that a mailing list has been > set > up, by someone willing to administer it, to which, so far, only about > thirty people have subscribed. Not mentioning it is hardly the best way to get sign-ups. I confess that with the multiple discussions around this in the past couple of weeks I'd actually forgotten about it (I've also been ill). No doubt some others are in the same position. > It is clear that the vast majority simply do not want a mailing list. I disagree. I think the majority is waiting to see what the majority wants. This is not uncommon in communities where most people are fairly passive participants. I also that your own first post on this list appears to be dated October 23. > And, with that, I will not mention it again on this list. > > The new list that was set up, has been, now, mentioned enough, by me, > on this list. Do you envisage some decision process for any proposed policy changes, or do you intend to be Benevolent Dictator For Life? What about moderation? Is that going to be only you? I'd also question the phrase "the gnomes" in your list's description page. Perhaps a more diplomatic phrasing would avoid needless sniping. It may well turn out that your list is the most frictionless option, and you do have "first mover" advantage, but I think more people should chip in here. All the best. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 10:33 AM Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > > On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:23 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > It is clear that the vast majority simply do not want a mailing list. > > Hi, > well, I believe that's a wrong assumption. You might also consider that > if "random people create random list" is not the right thing to do. The > community should work together, not to be split, because some random > folks think they do the best for the community even they do not wait > for the community decision. Okay, yes, there is not much time, that's > true, but still. As had been said by someone, there can be made also a > Discourse post about where the "real" new mailing list is handled. > > That's the reason why I didn't act on my own and did not create the > list myself, on a place I would prefer. I want to be sure the people > are willing to move that way first. And there are supposed to be > multiple moderators/admins, as poc said. I'm not the admin at the > moment and I'd prefer not to be. I've no idea how long I'll stay with > the project and my free time is kinda limited, as for everybody else. > > poc, there had been multiple people offering help even with the > infrastructure. In case the current list admins do not respond, say > till the 6th (this Sunday), would it make sense to engage those folks, > if they are still willing to co-admin the list, wherever it is? There > should be a voice from them too, of course. I suppose to make the list > alive will take some time, hence I chose the 6th, to have at least a > week for it to set up. > > Bret, what about you? Would you be willing to co-admin such list? > > I think there had been at least two other folks mentioned here, but I > lost their names, I'm sorry. If you read this, please respond. > > Just my personal opinion and thoughts. > > Thanks and bye, > Milan I know I said I would not chime in again regarding the mailing list, but I also subscribe to one other list "network-manager" that is/was housed on gnome infrastructure. Today I received a very simple email from it that stated it was being re-homed to a freedesktop.org list and a simple reply to that email (with nothing else) subscribed me to it. I think that should be possible here as well, no? ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:23 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > It is clear that the vast majority simply do not want a mailing list. Hi, well, I believe that's a wrong assumption. You might also consider that if "random people create random list" is not the right thing to do. The community should work together, not to be split, because some random folks think they do the best for the community even they do not wait for the community decision. Okay, yes, there is not much time, that's true, but still. As had been said by someone, there can be made also a Discourse post about where the "real" new mailing list is handled. That's the reason why I didn't act on my own and did not create the list myself, on a place I would prefer. I want to be sure the people are willing to move that way first. And there are supposed to be multiple moderators/admins, as poc said. I'm not the admin at the moment and I'd prefer not to be. I've no idea how long I'll stay with the project and my free time is kinda limited, as for everybody else. poc, there had been multiple people offering help even with the infrastructure. In case the current list admins do not respond, say till the 6th (this Sunday), would it make sense to engage those folks, if they are still willing to co-admin the list, wherever it is? There should be a voice from them too, of course. I suppose to make the list alive will take some time, hence I chose the 6th, to have at least a week for it to set up. Bret, what about you? Would you be willing to co-admin such list? I think there had been at least two other folks mentioned here, but I lost their names, I'm sorry. If you read this, please respond. Just my personal opinion and thoughts. Thanks and bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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On 2/11/22 19:53, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 08:19 +0800, Luigi Cantoni via evolution-list wrote: Many people have contributed their ideas as to how to move forward so I hope there is enough now suggested so that we can do that. Can I ask the Moderators and those that contribute a lot to this list to decide where we migrate to before they shut us down. I for one don't what to be left hanging and will happily "follow the leaders". I've contacted the other moderators to see if we can reach a consensus on this, but have yet to hear back from them. We'll certainly inform the list if we have something to say. At the moment, my impression is that everyone is waiting for someone else to take a decision, and time is passing by. Clearly the moderators can't simply dictate what's going to happen. As things stand, it appears to be inevitable that the current list will be discontinued and that Evolution support will be provided on Discourse, no matter what any of us think. Therefore the temptation to set up a new list independent of gnome.org has to be weighed against the probable fragmentation of the community, which would not be ideal. However it's not out of the question. One thing I can say is that I would not take on the responsibility of managing a new list on my own. Moderating the current list is not a particularly onerous task because much of the infrastructure is provided by Gnome and we interact with it using a Mailman web page. Also, it's shared among three people. However anyone who proposes a new list should be willing to take on the task of administering it. This already been taken care of. If people choose to disregard what has been done for them, and simply keep discussing, and not doing anything about it, then that is their choice. I will not again mention on this list, that a mailing list has been set up, by someone willing to administer it, to which, so far, only about thirty people have subscribed. It is clear that the vast majority simply do not want a mailing list. And, with that, I will not mention it again on this list. The new list that was set up, has been, now, mentioned enough, by me, on this list. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 08:19 +0800, Luigi Cantoni via evolution-list wrote: > Many people have contributed their ideas as to how to move forward so > I > hope there is enough now suggested so that we can do that. > > Can I ask the Moderators and those that contribute a lot to this list > to decide where we migrate to before they shut us down. > I for one don't what to be left hanging and will happily "follow the > leaders". I've contacted the other moderators to see if we can reach a consensus on this, but have yet to hear back from them. We'll certainly inform the list if we have something to say. At the moment, my impression is that everyone is waiting for someone else to take a decision, and time is passing by. Clearly the moderators can't simply dictate what's going to happen. As things stand, it appears to be inevitable that the current list will be discontinued and that Evolution support will be provided on Discourse, no matter what any of us think. Therefore the temptation to set up a new list independent of gnome.org has to be weighed against the probable fragmentation of the community, which would not be ideal. However it's not out of the question. One thing I can say is that I would not take on the responsibility of managing a new list on my own. Moderating the current list is not a particularly onerous task because much of the infrastructure is provided by Gnome and we interact with it using a Mailman web page. Also, it's shared among three people. However anyone who proposes a new list should be willing to take on the task of administering it. A Mailman system would probably be easiest, but it would need to be set up and populated i.e. users would have to go through the individual registration system since as Milan pointed out we probably can't simply import the current membership automatically. Cheers poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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Hi All, We seam to have got several suggestion/possibilities for the mailing list to continue with. In summery and without prejudice I get the impression there are many, if not a majority, who wish a mailing list to continue. They basically want what we have now and are not greatly concerned where it is hosted or what list it actually is. Many of us on this list find it a great resource, ask the odd question and hopefully occasionally contribute something also. Many people have contributed their ideas as to how to move forward so I hope there is enough now suggested so that we can do that. Can I ask the Moderators and those that contribute a lot to this list to decide where we migrate to before they shut us down. I for one don't what to be left hanging and will happily "follow the leaders". -- Thanks Luigi Cantoni -Original Message- From: Luigi Cantoni via evolution-list Reply-To: lui...@fgcint.com To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: [Evolution] What do I do now? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2022 08:31:30 +0800 Mailer: Evolution 3.44.4 (3.44.4-1.fc36) Hi All, I personally also agree with the general feeling that an email list is better for what is wanted by most members of this list. Since I am unlikely to do any administration (in the near future, years I mean) I am more then happy to go with whatever those people who actually do the work and those that contribute the most feel is best. I think I am like many people on this list, I read and take notes of useful hints provided by many great and helpful members. If I can contribute something I will try but usually much more knowledgeable people give much better advise first. Since we only have a few days left may I suggest the group focus on putting forwards what options we have and those actually doing the work can decide the best choice and we go for it (even if its not perfect). Anyway I give permission to join me to whatever the group feels is the way to go. I like this list and hope it survives. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
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On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 08:31 +0800, Luigi via evolution-list wrote: > Since we only have a few days left may I suggest the group focus on > putting forwards what options we have and those actually doing the > work can decide the best choice and we go for it (even if its not > perfect). Hi, Savannah was also mentioned by the MC mailing list (IIRC not for the mailing list, but for tickets). https://savannah.gnu.org/maintenance/WhyChooseSavannah/ On the Gimp mailing list there was a pointer to https://www.tuxfamily.org/en/about . It would be nice if former gnome.org mailing lists migrate to the same new location. Temporarily we can continue to think about how to proceed at https://groups.io/g/evolution-users https://groups.io/g/gimp-users IMO Savanna is a quite good idea, but FWIW Midnight Commander, Gimp, Gedit and Evolution have got BSD ports, too. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] What do I do now?
Hi All, I personally also agree with the general feeling that an email list is better for what is wanted by most members of this list. Since I am unlikely to do any administration (in the near future, years I mean) I am more then happy to go with whatever those people who actually do the work and those that contribute the most feel is best. I think I am like many people on this list, I read and take notes of useful hints provided by many great and helpful members. If I can contribute something I will try but usually much more knowledgeable people give much better advise first. Since we only have a few days left may I suggest the group focus on putting forwards what options we have and those actually doing the work can decide the best choice and we go for it (even if its not perfect). Anyway I give permission to join me to whatever the group feels is the way to go. I like this list and hope it survives. -- Thanks Luigi ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Sat, 2022-10-22 at 15:06 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote: > On Sat, 2022-10-22 at 13:55 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > So the way to get it working as a proper mailing list is by turning off > > Mailing List Mode. So intuitive. > > Hi, > > yesno, even after doing so, it is not working as a proper mailing list. > The emails are still multipart messages with remote content, there's no > real archive etc... If a user unsubscribes from evolution-list@gnome.org > no posts are deleted from the archive. After deleting my Discourse > account, my posts disappeared. > > Regards, > Ralf The posts shouldn't disappear. According to a post in the Site feedback sub (I think it was), the post are anonymized when a user account is deleted. The posts however are not. I might have misunderstood this though. In any case, I'm two millimeters from just giving up on this whole Discourse thing because of Frustration(tm). With that in mind I'd like to say thanks already now, to all on this list who've helped me out during the last years when problems with Evolution has arised (notable - EWS, tenant stuff, Office365 etc), as well as others who've posted interesting stuff generally speaking. Without those posts and help, my Evolution Mail experience would have definitely been not very good. So give you all a pat on the shoulder from me, and again, great thanks! -- Sorin Srbu, Serverdrift Tele: 08-524 84166 Karolinska Institutet Universitetsbibliotek Avdelningen för Verksamhetsstöd Enheten för Teknikstöd och Bildproduktion # They say you can't buy happiness, but you can buy a # motorcycle, and that's pretty damn close! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Sat, 2022-10-22 at 13:55 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > So the way to get it working as a proper mailing list is by turning > off Mailing List Mode. So intuitive. Agreed it's really poorly named. I think the idea is that if you enable it then it's as if the entire Discourse site becomes one huge mailing list that everyone is sending stuff to. I don't know why hardly anyone would find that useful. But, the method of "subscribing to mailing lists" in GNOME Discourse, is to add tags to your "Watched" list and tell Discourse to email you about all "Watched" items. IMO the way the GNOME Discourse site is organized is unfortunate: they created broad categories like Applications, Desktop, etc. Then they use tags to choose specific applications within them. It seems to me that it would be more useful/usable to create separate categories for each application like Evolution, etc. then tags could be used for different types of issues within the application, such as (for Evolution for example) IMAP, Exchange, UI, etc. etc. This would also mean that it would be simple to sort email because the category DOES appear in the subject of the email, while tags are nowhere to be found. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Sat, 2022-10-22 at 13:55 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > So the way to get it working as a proper mailing list is by turning off > Mailing List Mode. So intuitive. Hi, yesno, even after doing so, it is not working as a proper mailing list. The emails are still multipart messages with remote content, there's no real archive etc... If a user unsubscribes from evolution-list@gnome.org no posts are deleted from the archive. After deleting my Discourse account, my posts disappeared. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Sat, 2022-10-22 at 08:50 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > On Sat, 2022-10-22 at 13:42 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > I seem to be getting them now. Trouble is, I'm also getting stuff > > that has absolutely nothing to do with Evolution, despite having > > set > > a tag (or whatever it's called) to "Evolution". > > If you set "Mailing list mode" in your Discourse Emails preferences, > turn that off. If you enable that then your other preferences are > ignored and you just get an email for every post to the site, > basically. > > See my other email: I'm not getting anything not related to Evolution > after following those steps. OK, I'll try that. So the way to get it working as a proper mailing list is by turning off Mailing List Mode. So intuitive. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Sat, 2022-10-22 at 13:42 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I seem to be getting them now. Trouble is, I'm also getting stuff > that has absolutely nothing to do with Evolution, despite having set > a tag (or whatever it's called) to "Evolution". If you set "Mailing list mode" in your Discourse Emails preferences, turn that off. If you enable that then your other preferences are ignored and you just get an email for every post to the site, basically. See my other email: I'm not getting anything not related to Evolution after following those steps. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 14:02 +0100, Mark Stanton wrote: > On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 14:09 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list > wrote: > > Dnia 21.10.2022 o godz. 13:04:15 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze: > > > > > > It seems to take some time. I suspect Discourse is batching > > > emails. > > I've been receiving them frequently. I signed up a couple of hours > ago > and have had regular and frequent messages, started almost > immediately. I seem to be getting them now. Trouble is, I'm also getting stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with Evolution, despite having set a tag (or whatever it's called) to "Evolution". As Pete has pointed out, the Discourse system doesn't seem to be set up for the kind of exact focus we need. This could be a real problem unless the Gnome admins create a specific topic for Evo as they have done for a few other things. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 14:09 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list wrote: > Dnia 21.10.2022 o godz. 13:04:15 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze: > > > > It seems to take some time. I suspect Discourse is batching emails. I've been receiving them frequently. I signed up a couple of hours ago and have had regular and frequent messages, started almost immediately. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 13:00 +0100, ja wrote: > > > > > > > I only see those 5 items I listed above > > > I was using Brave and tried Google Chrome - same 5 items > > > > > > Using Chrome. > > Try starting typing evolution in the Watched field. Evolution should > > show > > up; it did for me. > > > > > Yes that was it - type it in! > The window is only active when the list is pulled down! > > Also received the same answer from my "discourse" A/C ! > > No email yet though > Cool! Here's your first badge, Discourse style! Ascii Email Badge: >>* First email may take a while to get through. I started getting mine after almost an hour. -- Sorin Srbu, Serverdrift Tele: 08-524 84166 Karolinska Institutet Universitetsbibliotek Avdelningen för Verksamhetsstöd Enheten för Teknikstöd och Bildproduktion # They say you can't buy happiness, but you can buy a # motorcycle, and that's pretty damn close! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
Dnia 21.10.2022 o godz. 13:04:15 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze: > > It seems to take some time. I suspect Discourse is batching emails. Which also means it is *not* a replacement for a mailing list. Typical mailing list sends out messages once they are received. Of course, a mailing list subscriber can enable digest mode and receive messages in batch, but that's not a typical use case. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 13:00 +0100, ja wrote: > > Using Chrome. > > Try starting typing evolution in the Watched field. Evolution > > should show > > up; it did for me. > > > > > Yes that was it - type it in! > The window is only active when the list is pulled down! > > Also received the same answer from my "discourse" A/C ! > Please trim your quoted material. There's no need to quote everything in the thread. > No email yet though It seems to take some time. I suspect Discourse is batching emails. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 11:51 +, Sorin Srbu wrote: > On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:45 +0100, ja wrote: > > [Du får inte e-post ofta från j...@jaa.org.uk. Läs om varför det här är > > viktigt på https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ] > > > > On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 11:30 +, Sorin Srbu via evolution-list wrote: > > > On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:27 +0100, ja wrote: > > > > [Du får inte e-post ofta från j...@jaa.org.uk. Läs om varför det här är > > > > viktigt på https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ] > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 20:01 +0200, Andre Klapper via evolution-list > > > > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 11:38 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > > They suggest I use discourse and will (somehow) give me tags to > > > > > > use > > > > > > it. I tried discourse once: It's inscrutable. I have no idea how > > > > > > to > > > > > > use tags. > > > > > > > > > > Receiving notifications about Evolution related threads in > > > > > Discourse: > > > > > 1. Go to Notifications Tags > > > > > at > > > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fmy%2Fpreferences%2Ftagsdata=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C325846c7acf3496ef9a308dab359b32c%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019495085397385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=0pY%2BzAQQEvDkjnFYhraowCNVU%2FM%2BLAEI38vAxWzaNiA%3Dreserved=0 > > > > > 2. Add "evolution" under "Watched" or "Tracked" (depends on how > > > > > many notifications you want to get) > > > > > Docs: > > > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Ft%2Ftags-and-watching%2F94data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C325846c7acf3496ef9a308dab359b32c%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019495085397385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=FgJL2bdtQ%2BMBh%2FeXj5NTZENtkq8miBwiSONp45MTmJE%3Dreserved=0 > > > > > > > > > > How to interact with Discourse via email: > > > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Ft%2Finteracting-with-discourse-via-email%2F46data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C325846c7acf3496ef9a308dab359b32c%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019495085397385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=FC0CbHMT1qEQAbV0wmOFRd3y6tCRRM7vzORQQzOzsQQ%3Dreserved=0 > > > > > > > > > > Docs about personal notification settings: > > > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fmy%2Fpreferences%2Fnotificationsdata=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C325846c7acf3496ef9a308dab359b32c%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019495085397385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=XWt%2FboLtEAnv7OF%2B5%2Fu%2FQEAiSWWpaL43WUTqDjfI9lo%3Dreserved=0 > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > andre > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I must be thick!!! > > > > Failed at first step! > > > > > > > > Created Gnome account and then went to > > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fu%2Fjaa%2Fpreferences%2Ftagsdata=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C325846c7acf3496ef9a308dab359b32c%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019495085397385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=%2BmhDAaa2KRKJBRavEwypQqD5hzGpfnb4Gu4UtRZOg0w%3Dreserved=0 > > > > > > > > There are only 5 options in the Watched & Tracked menus > > > > gtk, glib, python, vala & rust > > > > > > > > No mention of evolution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go to your account's preferences instead. > > > > > > Under Notifications on the left side there should be a Tags link. > > > Set evolution under Watched. > > > That's the only place I found evolution. > > > > > > > > I only see those 5 items I listed above > > I was using Brave and tried Google Chrome - same 5 items > > > Using Chrome. > Try starting typing evolution in the Watched field. Evolution should show > up; it did for me. > > Yes that was it - type it in! The window is only active when the list is pulled down! Also received the same answer from my "discourse" A/C ! No email yet though Thanks ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:45 +0100, ja wrote: > [Du får inte e-post ofta från j...@jaa.org.uk. Läs om varför det här är > viktigt på https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ] > > On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 11:30 +, Sorin Srbu via evolution-list wrote: > > On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:27 +0100, ja wrote: > > > [Du får inte e-post ofta från j...@jaa.org.uk. Läs om varför det här är > > > viktigt på https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ] > > > > > > On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 20:01 +0200, Andre Klapper via evolution-list > > > wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 11:38 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > They suggest I use discourse and will (somehow) give me tags to > > > > > use > > > > > it. I tried discourse once: It's inscrutable. I have no idea how > > > > > to > > > > > use tags. > > > > > > > > Receiving notifications about Evolution related threads in > > > > Discourse: > > > > 1. Go to Notifications Tags > > > > at > > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fmy%2Fpreferences%2Ftagsdata=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C325846c7acf3496ef9a308dab359b32c%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019495085397385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=0pY%2BzAQQEvDkjnFYhraowCNVU%2FM%2BLAEI38vAxWzaNiA%3Dreserved=0 > > > > 2. Add "evolution" under "Watched" or "Tracked" (depends on how > > > > many notifications you want to get) > > > > Docs: > > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Ft%2Ftags-and-watching%2F94data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C325846c7acf3496ef9a308dab359b32c%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019495085397385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=FgJL2bdtQ%2BMBh%2FeXj5NTZENtkq8miBwiSONp45MTmJE%3Dreserved=0 > > > > > > > > How to interact with Discourse via email: > > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Ft%2Finteracting-with-discourse-via-email%2F46data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C325846c7acf3496ef9a308dab359b32c%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019495085397385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=FC0CbHMT1qEQAbV0wmOFRd3y6tCRRM7vzORQQzOzsQQ%3Dreserved=0 > > > > > > > > Docs about personal notification settings: > > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fmy%2Fpreferences%2Fnotificationsdata=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C325846c7acf3496ef9a308dab359b32c%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019495085397385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=XWt%2FboLtEAnv7OF%2B5%2Fu%2FQEAiSWWpaL43WUTqDjfI9lo%3Dreserved=0 > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > andre > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I must be thick!!! > > > Failed at first step! > > > > > > Created Gnome account and then went to > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fu%2Fjaa%2Fpreferences%2Ftagsdata=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C325846c7acf3496ef9a308dab359b32c%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019495085397385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=%2BmhDAaa2KRKJBRavEwypQqD5hzGpfnb4Gu4UtRZOg0w%3Dreserved=0 > > > > > > There are only 5 options in the Watched & Tracked menus > > > gtk, glib, python, vala & rust > > > > > > No mention of evolution > > > > > > > > > > Go to your account's preferences instead. > > > > Under Notifications on the left side there should be a Tags link. > > Set evolution under Watched. > > That's the only place I found evolution. > > > > > I only see those 5 items I listed above > I was using Brave and tried Google Chrome - same 5 items Using Chrome. Try starting typing evolution in the Watched field. Evolution should show up; it did for me. -- Sorin Srbu, Serverdrift Tele: 08-524 84166 Karolinska Institutet Universitetsbibliotek Avdelningen för Verksamhetsstöd Enheten för Teknikstöd och Bildproduktion # They say you can't buy happiness, but you can buy a # motorcycle, and that's pretty damn close! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 11:30 +, Sorin Srbu via evolution-list wrote: > On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:27 +0100, ja wrote: > > [Du får inte e-post ofta från j...@jaa.org.uk. Läs om varför det här är > > viktigt på https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ] > > > > On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 20:01 +0200, Andre Klapper via evolution-list wrote: > > > On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 11:38 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > They suggest I use discourse and will (somehow) give me tags to use > > > > it. I tried discourse once: It's inscrutable. I have no idea how to > > > > use tags. > > > > > > Receiving notifications about Evolution related threads in Discourse: > > > 1. Go to Notifications Tags > > > at > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fmy%2Fpreferences%2Ftagsdata=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C4b7f52128b474638968308dab35741af%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019484590263166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=lshC%2FSpVB8hQf0ZcFlDb4XbnfYGLXY8%2FPIbNIuQucJQ%3Dreserved=0 > > > 2. Add "evolution" under "Watched" or "Tracked" (depends on how > > > many notifications you want to get) > > > Docs: > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Ft%2Ftags-and-watching%2F94data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C4b7f52128b474638968308dab35741af%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019484590263166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=42MMv34ISEKxAaaDgMOuI4fqGbT6StWSVr4D7YVFqDI%3Dreserved=0 > > > > > > How to interact with Discourse via email: > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Ft%2Finteracting-with-discourse-via-email%2F46data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C4b7f52128b474638968308dab35741af%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019484590263166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=Kj0l%2BKnadvn%2FjyGNg95PNFs%2BPqhjmhB8T0GzK9JWmuA%3Dreserved=0 > > > > > > Docs about personal notification settings: > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fmy%2Fpreferences%2Fnotificationsdata=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C4b7f52128b474638968308dab35741af%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019484590263166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=Hoe%2F0%2FvMwQUanrgQpFUBhFCW0%2F6PAEK50Gg%2BxQO5muY%3Dreserved=0 > > > > > > Cheers, > > > andre > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I must be thick!!! > > Failed at first step! > > > > Created Gnome account and then went to > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fu%2Fjaa%2Fpreferences%2Ftagsdata=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C4b7f52128b474638968308dab35741af%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019484590263166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=bLTVr9qTQkgcD%2FT53GWm9Lpz30ekTYVNiuF2hzmisUs%3Dreserved=0 > > > > There are only 5 options in the Watched & Tracked menus > > gtk, glib, python, vala & rust > > > > No mention of evolution > > > > > > Go to your account's preferences instead. > > Under Notifications on the left side there should be a Tags link. > Set evolution under Watched. > That's the only place I found evolution. > > I only see those 5 items I listed above I was using Brave and tried Google Chrome - same 5 items ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:27 +0100, ja wrote: > [Du får inte e-post ofta från j...@jaa.org.uk. Läs om varför det här är > viktigt på https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ] > > On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 20:01 +0200, Andre Klapper via evolution-list wrote: > > On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 11:38 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > They suggest I use discourse and will (somehow) give me tags to use > > > it. I tried discourse once: It's inscrutable. I have no idea how to > > > use tags. > > > > Receiving notifications about Evolution related threads in Discourse: > > 1. Go to Notifications Tags > > at > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fmy%2Fpreferences%2Ftagsdata=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C4b7f52128b474638968308dab35741af%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019484590263166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=lshC%2FSpVB8hQf0ZcFlDb4XbnfYGLXY8%2FPIbNIuQucJQ%3Dreserved=0 > > 2. Add "evolution" under "Watched" or "Tracked" (depends on how > > many notifications you want to get) > > Docs: > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Ft%2Ftags-and-watching%2F94data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C4b7f52128b474638968308dab35741af%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019484590263166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=42MMv34ISEKxAaaDgMOuI4fqGbT6StWSVr4D7YVFqDI%3Dreserved=0 > > > > How to interact with Discourse via email: > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Ft%2Finteracting-with-discourse-via-email%2F46data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C4b7f52128b474638968308dab35741af%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019484590263166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=Kj0l%2BKnadvn%2FjyGNg95PNFs%2BPqhjmhB8T0GzK9JWmuA%3Dreserved=0 > > > > Docs about personal notification settings: > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fmy%2Fpreferences%2Fnotificationsdata=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C4b7f52128b474638968308dab35741af%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019484590263166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=Hoe%2F0%2FvMwQUanrgQpFUBhFCW0%2F6PAEK50Gg%2BxQO5muY%3Dreserved=0 > > > > Cheers, > > andre > > > > I'm sorry but I must be thick!!! > Failed at first step! > > Created Gnome account and then went to > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fu%2Fjaa%2Fpreferences%2Ftagsdata=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C4b7f52128b474638968308dab35741af%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019484590263166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=bLTVr9qTQkgcD%2FT53GWm9Lpz30ekTYVNiuF2hzmisUs%3Dreserved=0 > > There are only 5 options in the Watched & Tracked menus > gtk, glib, python, vala & rust > > No mention of evolution > > Go to your account's preferences instead. Under Notifications on the left side there should be a Tags link. Set evolution under Watched. That's the only place I found evolution. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 20:01 +0200, Andre Klapper via evolution-list wrote: > On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 11:38 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > They suggest I use discourse and will (somehow) give me tags to use > > it. I tried discourse once: It's inscrutable. I have no idea how to > > use tags. > > Receiving notifications about Evolution related threads in Discourse: > 1. Go to Notifications Tags > at https://discourse.gnome.org/my/preferences/tags > 2. Add "evolution" under "Watched" or "Tracked" (depends on how > many notifications you want to get) > Docs: https://discourse.gnome.org/t/tags-and-watching/94 > > How to interact with Discourse via email: > https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46 > > Docs about personal notification settings: > https://discourse.gnome.org/my/preferences/notifications > > Cheers, > andre > I'm sorry but I must be thick!!! Failed at first step! Created Gnome account and then went to https://discourse.gnome.org/u/jaa/preferences/tags There are only 5 options in the Watched & Tracked menus gtk, glib, python, vala & rust No mention of evolution John ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 20:01 +0200, Andre Klapper via evolution-list wrote: > How to interact with Discourse via email: > https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46 > These docs seem out of date. It says "At the top of the category, click on the circle on the right hand side." On the page I see for the application category there is no circle there, nor in fact "Open Draft" or "Edit". Referring to mailing list mode as "not recommended" will probably not win you friends or influence either. It says in the "Starting a new topic in a category by email" section that if this is enabled 'it will be mentioned in the "About this category"'. It *isn't* mentioned in the application category. Does this mean starting new topics can't be done by email? You object to the somewhat outraged messages in this group, but you do seem to invite them. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 20:01 +0200, Andre Klapper via evolution-list wrote: > On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 11:38 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > They suggest I use discourse and will (somehow) give me tags to use > > it. I tried discourse once: It's inscrutable. I have no idea how to > > use tags. > > Receiving notifications about Evolution related threads in Discourse: > 1. Go to Notifications Tags Thanks for summary! Will see how this goes. -- Sorin Srbu, Serverdrift Tele: 08-524 84166 Karolinska Institutet Universitetsbibliotek Avdelningen för Verksamhetsstöd Enheten för Teknikstöd och Bildproduktion # They say you can't buy happiness, but you can buy a # motorcycle, and that's pretty damn close! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 18:39 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > If so, then the GNOME project should stop providing an email client at > all. Errm, no. Just because people want to do something doesn't mean "GNOME" (whatever that means exactly) needs to do the same something. There were GNOME applications for watching TV or listening to internet radio stations. That doesn't mean GNOME should launch its own station. For the records, GNOME Core does not provide an email client.[1] GNOME World however provides several ones, like Evolution or Geary.[2] Cheers, andre [1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-build-meta/-/tree/master/elements/core [2] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-build-meta/-/tree/master/elements/world -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
Matt Connell said on Thu, 20 Oct 2022 12:33:56 -0400 >On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 11:38 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >> Could somebody with space, bandwidth and tech knowledge please set >> up an Evolution mailing list that has nothing with Gnome? I know >> that a $100/year account with Futurequest.com gives you a >> rudimentary mailing list: I'm not sure how well it would handle the >> load of the Evolution community, but maybe somebody can find out. >> Perhaps the Gnome project would be willing to spend a couple hundred >> bucks a year to "outsource" the Evolution mailing list. > >If futurequest's features will fit the bill, I'll fund it myself in >full. I'll chip in $10 USD per year, so you won't be funding it all by yourself. I really appreciate this, Matt! > >Heck, I will help fund or maintain whatever alternative mailing list is >found to be suitable for this purpose. I've never hosted/maintained a >mailing list but this one is too valuable to be allowed to go quietly >into the night. I can help you technologically with the Futurequest mailing list, as I once created one. It's kind of stone age, but beggars can't be choosers. I might be able to help you with regular mailman lists, at least to some extent. Please save my email address in case we need to communicate. Thanks, SteveT >___ >evolution-list mailing list >evolution-list@gnome.org >To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... >https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list SteveT Steve Litt Summer 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 11:38 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > If not, could you at least set up an IRC channel for Evolution on libera.chat? No, because an IRC channel on GIMPnet IRC called #evolution has already existed for decades and has been part of the user documentation for at least a decade. No need for such proposals and more fragmentation. And that IRC channel is bridged to Matrix/Element for those who prefer an interaction concept not limited to text only. (Note to any readers: No, if Matrix is good or bad is NOT the topic of this thread and off-topic here.) Cheers, andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 11:38 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > They suggest I use discourse and will (somehow) give me tags to use > it. I tried discourse once: It's inscrutable. I have no idea how to > use tags. Receiving notifications about Evolution related threads in Discourse: 1. Go to Notifications Tags at https://discourse.gnome.org/my/preferences/tags 2. Add "evolution" under "Watched" or "Tracked" (depends on how many notifications you want to get) Docs: https://discourse.gnome.org/t/tags-and-watching/94 How to interact with Discourse via email: https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46 Docs about personal notification settings: https://discourse.gnome.org/my/preferences/notifications Cheers, andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
Hi, an email client community needs a mailing list, not a WhatsApp group or a forum or an IRC channel. Evolution is an email client, but emails aren't good enough for communication related to the email client? If so, then the GNOME project should stop providing an email client at all. The end of the month is in 11 days. It's impossible to find a replacement for Evolution within 11 days, but I can't take an email client without a user mailing list seriously. The reason to install an email client is to communicate by emails, not to communicate by using a web browser or a messenger. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 11:38 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Could somebody with space, bandwidth and tech knowledge please set up an > Evolution > mailing list that has nothing with Gnome? I know that a $100/year account with > Futurequest.com gives you a rudimentary mailing list: I'm not sure how well > it would > handle the load of the Evolution community, but maybe somebody can find out. > Perhaps > the Gnome project would be willing to spend a couple hundred bucks a year to > "outsource" the Evolution mailing list. If futurequest's features will fit the bill, I'll fund it myself in full. Heck, I will help fund or maintain whatever alternative mailing list is found to be suitable for this purpose. I've never hosted/maintained a mailing list but this one is too valuable to be allowed to go quietly into the night. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 11:38 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > If we don't all find an alternate way to communicate with each other > during October, > many of us will be unable to use discourse (does it depend on systemd > or pulseaudio, > for instance, because I don't have those, don't want them, and I'm > not alone). It's a web page and doesn't depend on anything as far as I know. Not that that should be regarded as a recommendation in any shape or form. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] What do I do now?
Hi all, I just received the dreaded message that this mailing list will vanish at the end of October 2022. They blame it on python2 deprecation and "major burden in managing lists spam", which sounds like the hollowest ever excuse to me. Nobody else is dropping their mailing lists because of python2 deprecation. They suggest I use discourse and will (somehow) give me tags to use it. I tried discourse once: It's inscrutable. I have no idea how to use tags. So how do I get support for Evolution? How do I communicate with all of you? Could somebody with space, bandwidth and tech knowledge please set up an Evolution mailing list that has nothing with Gnome? I know that a $100/year account with Futurequest.com gives you a rudimentary mailing list: I'm not sure how well it would handle the load of the Evolution community, but maybe somebody can find out. Perhaps the Gnome project would be willing to spend a couple hundred bucks a year to "outsource" the Evolution mailing list. If not, could you at least set up an IRC channel for Evolution on libera.chat? It does no good to set it up on a Gnome resource, because Gnome now has a history of pulling the rug out on their projects. It's very simple to set up an IRC channel on libera.chat. If we don't all find an alternate way to communicate with each other during October, many of us will be unable to use discourse (does it depend on systemd or pulseaudio, for instance, because I don't have those, don't want them, and I'm not alone). Lacking a way to get help, I fear most of us will need to abandon Evolution. What good is software if you can't get help on it? SteveT ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
