Re: [Evolution] bug re Message menu item
On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 05:32 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 20:58 -0400, Carpetnailz wrote: On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 19:00 -0500, dbrenner wrote: On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 19:45 -0400, Carpetnailz wrote: When I click on the Message menu item in Evo (3.4.4 on Fedora 17), instead of opening the menu, it opens a new message. The only way I can get the Message menu dropdown to open is to remember to click-and-hold the mouse button down until it opens. This seems contrary to how menu items always work, in my experience. Is this a feature or a bug? Thanks. Not a feature or a bug. I am running Evo 3.4.4 on Fedora 17. Menu Message item works as expected for me. I do see occasional mouse click anomalies but not strictly with Evo. I haven't seen anything like this. [openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 i915 Evolution 3.6.0]. So why is it happening? I've re-installed evo twice, once with add/remove software and once with yum. Makes no difference. Why do you think adding and removing the packages(s) will do anything? And whatever front end you use adding and removing is the exact same thing. This won't change anything. If you are concerned the files from a package are damaged you can use --verify to check them; if it reports nothing the files are identical to when they were installed. And adding and removing a package doesn't remove your configuration or setup - which is far more likely to be the source of a problem than the binaries. awilliam@linux-nysu:~ rpm --verify evolution awilliam@linux-nysu:~ rpm --verify evolution-data-server awilliam@linux-nysu:~ rpm -q evolution evolution-3.6.0-200.3.x86_64 None of these return any problems. But issues with mouse clicks, etc... are probably from below evolution [like in X, your video driver, or Gtk]. How would that affect just one menu button in the app and nothing else? ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] bug re Message menu item
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 08:43 -0400, Carpetnailz wrote: So why is it happening? I've re-installed evo twice, once with add/remove software and once with yum. Makes no difference. Why do you think adding and removing the packages(s) will do anything? And whatever front end you use adding and removing is the exact same thing. This won't change anything. If you are concerned the files from a package are damaged you can use --verify to check them; if it reports nothing the files are identical to when they were installed. And adding and removing a package doesn't remove your configuration or setup - which is far more likely to be the source of a problem than the binaries. awilliam@linux-nysu:~ rpm --verify evolution awilliam@linux-nysu:~ rpm --verify evolution-data-server awilliam@linux-nysu:~ rpm -q evolution evolution-3.6.0-200.3.x86_64 None of these return any problems. Then there is no problem with the installed packages. But issues with mouse clicks, etc... are probably from below evolution [like in X, your video driver, or Gtk]. How would that affect just one menu button in the app and nothing else? It hasn't affected anything else *you have noticed*. It is interesting that compose new message is the first/top item in the menu [vertically] and that is the action invoked rather than opening the menu. It could be a bug in the translation strings, or the UI builder code, etc... Modern systems are extremely complex and have a lot of interrelated parts - very specific corner cases can appear. When thinking about a bug it is better to just avoid even thinking in terms of any, all, none, every and to avoid assuming a cause as they will only obscure the attempt to find the actual cause. For instance every message I've tested vs. every message. This is a very useful rule that really does help avoid trapping yourself mentally [which is something I watch people debugging problems do to themselves *all the time*]. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] bug re Message menu item
But issues with mouse clicks, etc... are probably from below evolution [like in X, your video driver, or Gtk]. How would that affect just one menu button in the app and nothing else? You never said it was ONLY that one menu! Do you see any other oddities in the way the mouse clicking works either in Evolution itself or in any other application? Can you get the Message drop down menu by doing Alt-M ? P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] bug re Message menu item
On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 22:57 -0200, Lailah wrote: El jue, 11-10-2012 a las 20:58 -0400, Carpetnailz escribió: On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 19:00 -0500, dbrenner wrote: On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 19:45 -0400, Carpetnailz wrote: When I click on the Message menu item in Evo (3.4.4 on Fedora 17), instead of opening the menu, it opens a new message. The only way I can get the Message menu dropdown to open is to remember to click-and-hold the mouse button down until it opens. This seems contrary to how menu items always work, in my experience. Is this a feature or a bug? Thanks. Not a feature or a bug. I am running Evo 3.4.4 on Fedora 17. Menu Message item works as expected for me. I do see occasional mouse click anomalies but not strictly with Evo. Dan So why is it happening? I've re-installed evo twice, once with add/remove software and once with yum. Makes no difference. ___ Hello! Re-installing won't change anything. I presumed that re-installing would also re-do any relevant config files. Apparently that is not the case. Did you try sending to trash the evolution folder? Do that, close your session and open it again. See if problem is still here. I don't see an evolution folder, except for .local/share/evolution, which contains all my data. I should trash that? Did you try with a brand-new user, totally empty of configuration? Tried this, got the same result: single-clicking on the Message menu item just opens a new email message rather than opening the sub-menu. Hope this helps... Lailah ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] bug re Message menu item
I presumed that re-installing would also re-do any relevant config files. Apparently that is not the case. Nope, never, it does not work that way. Application installation / de-installation is a *system* operation. Application configuration is a *user* operation. The package neither knows nor cares anything at all about any user's configuration. This is a feature, not a bug. It is a glorious wonderful and please-gods-why-cannot-windows-work-this-way feature. This is different than installation / deinstallation of a *service* like Apache, Postfix, etc... where the configuration is a system thing [there is one configuration - used by the service - to provide services to the system]. Although even in that case RPM installation / deinstallation will usually refuse to remove or overwrite configuration files. Again, feature, not a bug. Did you try sending to trash the evolution folder? Do that, close your session and open it again. See if problem is still here. I don't see an evolution folder, except for .local/share/evolution, which contains all my data. I should trash that? NO! Did you try with a brand-new user, totally empty of configuration? Tried this, got the same result: single-clicking on the Message menu item just opens a new email message rather than opening the sub-menu. Hope this helps... Yep, that is always a good test. Keep a dummy user account around for such purposes. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] bug re Message menu item
On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 19:45 -0400, Carpetnailz wrote: When I click on the Message menu item in Evo (3.4.4 on Fedora 17), instead of opening the menu, it opens a new message. The only way I can get the Message menu dropdown to open is to remember to click-and-hold the mouse button down until it opens. This seems contrary to how menu items always work, in my experience. Before this thread drags on much further, it's worth pointing out that Evolution uses stock GTK+ menu widgets in its main menu. Evolution does not control the placement of the pop-up menu, nor the way it responds to clicks. That's all handled by GTK+. The fact that you're getting a new composer window when clicking on the Message menu is likely related to the fact that Compose New Message is the first item in that menu, and GTK+ may be positioning the pop-up menu over top of the main menu due to screen size constraints (it is a large menu, after all). That would mean the Compose New Message item is directly underneath where you just clicked to open the Message menu. GTK+ recently switched from the XInput framework to XInput2, and there were some bumps along the way. To me, the behavior you describe sounds like another bump. I would advise waiting for Fedora 18 and re-testing, and if the problem is still present then file a bug against GTK+. Matthew Barnes ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] bug re Message menu item
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 09:41 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 19:45 -0400, Carpetnailz wrote: When I click on the Message menu item in Evo (3.4.4 on Fedora 17), instead of opening the menu, it opens a new message. The only way I can get the Message menu dropdown to open is to remember to click-and-hold the mouse button down until it opens. This seems contrary to how menu items always work, in my experience. Before this thread drags on much further, it's worth pointing out that Evolution uses stock GTK+ menu widgets in its main menu. Evolution does not control the placement of the pop-up menu, nor the way it responds to clicks. That's all handled by GTK+. The fact that you're getting a new composer window when clicking on the Message menu is likely related to the fact that Compose New Message is the first item in that menu, and GTK+ may be positioning the pop-up menu over top of the main menu due to screen size constraints (it is a large menu, after all). That would mean the Compose New Message item is directly underneath where you just clicked to open the Message menu. GTK+ recently switched from the XInput framework to XInput2, and there were some bumps along the way. To me, the behavior you describe sounds like another bump. I would advise waiting for Fedora 18 and re-testing, and if the problem is still present then file a bug against GTK+. Matthew Barnes That sounds plausible. It's not a problem I can't live with, after all. Let's wait and see. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] bug re Message menu item
El jue, 11-10-2012 a las 20:58 -0400, Carpetnailz escribió: On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 19:00 -0500, dbrenner wrote: On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 19:45 -0400, Carpetnailz wrote: When I click on the Message menu item in Evo (3.4.4 on Fedora 17), instead of opening the menu, it opens a new message. The only way I can get the Message menu dropdown to open is to remember to click-and-hold the mouse button down until it opens. This seems contrary to how menu items always work, in my experience. Is this a feature or a bug? Thanks. Not a feature or a bug. I am running Evo 3.4.4 on Fedora 17. Menu Message item works as expected for me. I do see occasional mouse click anomalies but not strictly with Evo. Dan So why is it happening? I've re-installed evo twice, once with add/remove software and once with yum. Makes no difference. ___ Hello! Re-installing won't change anything. Did you try sending to trash the evolution folder? Do that, close your session and open it again. See if problem is still here. Did you try with a brand-new user, totally empty of configuration? Hope this helps... Lailah signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] bug re Message menu item
When I click on the Message menu item in Evo (3.4.4 on Fedora 17), instead of opening the menu, it opens a new message. The only way I can get the Message menu dropdown to open is to remember to click-and-hold the mouse button down until it opens. This seems contrary to how menu items always work, in my experience. Is this a feature or a bug? Thanks. Not a feature or a bug. I am running Evo 3.4.4 on Fedora 17. Menu Message item works as expected for me. I do see occasional mouse click anomalies but not strictly with Evo. Dan So why is it happening? I've re-installed evo twice, once with add/remove software and once with yum. Makes no difference. This concept of re-installing software to make it work again is a total Windows anomaly - it only works in Windows because of the ability to over-write system DLLs (i.e. some other software package installed a better version of a DLL that the failing package can't cope with - re-installing just re-instates that original DLL, so the whole thing starts working again - until you notice the other package now doesn't work and you re-install that ). It rarely does any good in a Linux/Unix environment - and certainly won't in a properly maintained environment like Fedora. If you want to see if the installed version of a package has changed since it was installed, use 'rpm --verify'. As for your original problem - it sounds like you have turned on some accessibility feature, it's certainly not a problem with Evo itself. You also don't say if other programs are behaving properly. As Patrick says, try creating a new user and see if Evo behaves properly there, You don't say what whether you are using Gnome3, Gnome2 or KDE (or something else), I will assume Gnome3 since that is the default. In that case try looking in System Settings and under Universal Access there's a bit about Point and Clicking - make sure everything in there is sensible. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] bug re Message menu item
On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 20:58 -0400, Carpetnailz wrote: On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 19:00 -0500, dbrenner wrote: On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 19:45 -0400, Carpetnailz wrote: When I click on the Message menu item in Evo (3.4.4 on Fedora 17), instead of opening the menu, it opens a new message. The only way I can get the Message menu dropdown to open is to remember to click-and-hold the mouse button down until it opens. This seems contrary to how menu items always work, in my experience. Is this a feature or a bug? Thanks. Not a feature or a bug. I am running Evo 3.4.4 on Fedora 17. Menu Message item works as expected for me. I do see occasional mouse click anomalies but not strictly with Evo. I haven't seen anything like this. [openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 i915 Evolution 3.6.0]. So why is it happening? I've re-installed evo twice, once with add/remove software and once with yum. Makes no difference. Why do you think adding and removing the packages(s) will do anything? And whatever front end you use adding and removing is the exact same thing. This won't change anything. If you are concerned the files from a package are damaged you can use --verify to check them; if it reports nothing the files are identical to when they were installed. And adding and removing a package doesn't remove your configuration or setup - which is far more likely to be the source of a problem than the binaries. awilliam@linux-nysu:~ rpm --verify evolution awilliam@linux-nysu:~ rpm --verify evolution-data-server awilliam@linux-nysu:~ rpm -q evolution evolution-3.6.0-200.3.x86_64 But issues with mouse clicks, etc... are probably from below evolution [like in X, your video driver, or Gtk]. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] bug re Message menu item
On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 09:36 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: This concept of re-installing software to make it work again is a total Windows anomaly - it only works in Windows because of the ability to over-write system DLLs (i.e. some other software package installed a better version of a DLL that the failing package can't cope with - re-installing just re-instates that original DLL Windows installers sometimes rewrite configuration files and registry entries as well, fixing problems that may have happened because of configuration errors. -- Knowledge Is Power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] bug re Message menu item
On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 19:45 -0400, Carpetnailz wrote: When I click on the Message menu item in Evo (3.4.4 on Fedora 17), instead of opening the menu, it opens a new message. The only way I can get the Message menu dropdown to open is to remember to click-and-hold the mouse button down until it opens. This seems contrary to how menu items always work, in my experience. Is this a feature or a bug? Thanks. Not a feature or a bug. I am running Evo 3.4.4 on Fedora 17. Menu Message item works as expected for me. I do see occasional mouse click anomalies but not strictly with Evo. Dan -- Dan Brenner They keep me in a cage and dbren...@dbrenner.com give me hardware to play with. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] bug re Message menu item
On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 19:00 -0500, dbrenner wrote: On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 19:45 -0400, Carpetnailz wrote: When I click on the Message menu item in Evo (3.4.4 on Fedora 17), instead of opening the menu, it opens a new message. The only way I can get the Message menu dropdown to open is to remember to click-and-hold the mouse button down until it opens. This seems contrary to how menu items always work, in my experience. Is this a feature or a bug? Thanks. Not a feature or a bug. I am running Evo 3.4.4 on Fedora 17. Menu Message item works as expected for me. I do see occasional mouse click anomalies but not strictly with Evo. Dan So why is it happening? I've re-installed evo twice, once with add/remove software and once with yum. Makes no difference. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] bug re Message menu item
On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 20:58 -0400, Carpetnailz wrote: On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 19:00 -0500, dbrenner wrote: On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 19:45 -0400, Carpetnailz wrote: When I click on the Message menu item in Evo (3.4.4 on Fedora 17), instead of opening the menu, it opens a new message. The only way I can get the Message menu dropdown to open is to remember to click-and-hold the mouse button down until it opens. This seems contrary to how menu items always work, in my experience. Is this a feature or a bug? Thanks. Not a feature or a bug. I am running Evo 3.4.4 on Fedora 17. Menu Message item works as expected for me. I do see occasional mouse click anomalies but not strictly with Evo. Dan So why is it happening? I've re-installed evo twice, once with add/remove software and once with yum. Makes no difference. I don't know why this is happening, but note that reinstalling packages in Linux is usually a waste of time. Any per-user settings are not going to be affected, and that's where you should be looking. Note that the problem could also be with X or your desktop environment. You could try running Evo as a test user and see if it changes. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
