Re: [Evolution] how to start over
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Matthew Barnes mbar...@redhat.com wrote: I don't know what you're basing your opinion on, but you're way off base. If you've been paying attention, you already know that we've made great strides toward making Evolution's configuration far more readable and easier to back up and copy than ever before. I am still scarred by the XML stored in GConf keys for account configuration and my attempt to synchronize my VFolder configurations (config in GConf? config in files? do I need these sqlite files or not? why do my copied VFolders now claim to have 0 unread messages but when I open them there's thousands of unread messages?) across three Evolution installations. That was 2007 and I haven't tried to do anything similar since. Make a bad impression once and it sticks forever. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] how to start over
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 11:53 -0600, Zan Lynx wrote: I am still scarred by the XML stored in GConf keys for account configuration and my attempt to synchronize my VFolder configurations Fair enough, but you seem to have forgotten: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2012-September/msg00064.html ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] how to start over
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 11:53 -0600, Zan Lynx wrote: On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Matthew Barnes mbar...@redhat.com wrote: I don't know what you're basing your opinion on, but you're way off base. If you've been paying attention, you already know that we've made great strides toward making Evolution's configuration far more readable and easier to back up and copy than ever before. I am still scarred by the XML stored in GConf keys for account configuration and my attempt to synchronize my VFolder configurations (config in GConf? config in files? do I need these sqlite files or not? why do my copied VFolders now claim to have 0 unread messages but when I open them there's thousands of unread messages?) across three Evolution installations. That was 2007 and I haven't tried to do anything similar since. Make a bad impression once and it sticks forever. So you formulate an opinion 6 years ago and don't check if it's still valid before repeating it here as current? poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] how to start over
On Mon, 2013-05-06 at 18:42 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: I installed and started evolution. After messing up my first e-mail account, I tried to fix it, but couldn't find any way to change it. I tried to start over with rm -r ~/.evolution , but that did not work either. Somewhere it found the information to recreate ~/.evolution . I've got an evolution folder/identity/whatever with the right name that doesn't work. It's inert. How do I start over? https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/3.6/data-storage.html (also available via Help Contents in Evolution itself) explains where data is stored. Note that the content refers to Evolution 3.6. If you really still use and have ~/.evolution you might run an ancient version = 2.30? andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] how to start over
On Mon, 2013-05-06 at 18:42 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: I installed and started evolution. As others have said, you need to give us the Evolution version you are using. After messing up my first e-mail account, I tried to fix it, but couldn't find any way to change it. Edit - Preferences allows you to modify and delete mail accounts in virtually all versions of Evolution. I'm confused as to why that's difficult to find, it's not an obscure place, most Gnome applications have some form of configuration settings item under Edit and there's an item under Help - Contents (F1) called Account Management. I tried to start over with rm -r ~/.evolution , but that did not work either. Playing with an application's private storage is never a good idea (for any application) unless you really, really know what you are doing. At best it's going to leave the application in an unstable state, and it will almost certainly make things much more confusing later on. I'm trying to connect to a cableone.net account. Did you follow the instructions at: http://support.cableone.net/app/answers/detail/a_id/1055 (I'm not a cableone.net customer, I found that with about 10 seconds of Googling. It's a gmail based account, so it's not exactly a bizarre setup.) P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] how to start over
On Tue, 2013-05-07 at 09:35 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: On Mon, 2013-05-06 at 18:42 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: I installed and started evolution As others have said, you need to give us the Evolution version you are using. After messing up my first e-mail account, I tried to fix it, but couldn't find any way to change it. Edit - Preferences allows you to modify and delete mail accounts in virtually all versions of Evolution. I'm confused as to why that's difficult to find, it's not an obscure place, most Gnome applications have some form of configuration settings item under Edit and there's an item under Help - Contents (F1) called Account Management. +1 +1 +1 +1 WHY THE CONSTANT SNEAKING AROUND UNDERNEATH THE APPLICATION?? IF YOU DO THAT AND THE APPLICATION BREAKS IT IS YOUR FAULT, AND **NOT** THE FAULT OF THE APPLICATION. To add, remove, change a mail account I have never in ten plus years [when did Evolution first come out?] had to do ANYTHING but configure it IN EVOLUTION USING ACCOUNTS SETUP! I tried to start over with rm -r ~/.evolution , but that did not work either. Playing with an application's private storage is never a good idea +1 And it is pointless when the application provides working tools to do it. (for any application) unless you really, really know what you are doing. And then you'll probably know better than to try. At best it's going to leave the application in an unstable state, Yes, and then the user can blame the application for being unstable and their complaint will be logged in the cloud as a blemish on the innocent application in perpetuity. People will be repeating the unjustified complaint on Slashdot for decades. -- Adam Tauno Williams mailto:awill...@whitemice.org GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] how to start over
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.orgwrote: +1 +1 +1 +1 WHY THE CONSTANT SNEAKING AROUND UNDERNEATH THE APPLICATION?? IF YOU DO THAT AND THE APPLICATION BREAKS IT IS YOUR FAULT, AND **NOT** THE FAULT OF THE APPLICATION. To add, remove, change a mail account I have never in ten plus years [when did Evolution first come out?] had to do ANYTHING but configure it IN EVOLUTION USING ACCOUNTS SETUP! Because for the 20 years of Unix before that, there was a human readable and editable dot-config file. And there was a directory or file of data, again human readable. Evolution is more like a Windows program than Unix software. I have to wonder what the authors were thinking. Why Evolution and other programs like it have to be sneaking around and making their configuration unreadable and uneditable, I don't understand. And think of this: When confronted with hundreds of menus and submenus it is often MUCH easier to just go to the configuration file in VI, search for the configuration item and change it. Or in the case of a program like Firefox, about:config. Or say that you've changed your email address. In Unix-world you could grep oldem...@example.com .??* and find everywhere it needs to be changed. I suppose in Evolution world the poor sap would be required to go into each program's menu MANUALLY and suffer through whatever GUI happens to be there. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] how to start over
On Tue, 2013-05-07 at 10:02 -0600, Zan Lynx wrote: Evolution is more like a Windows program than Unix software. I have to wonder what the authors were thinking. Why Evolution and other programs like it have to be sneaking around and making their configuration unreadable and uneditable, I don't understand. I don't know what you're basing your opinion on, but you're way off base. If you've been paying attention, you already know that we've made great strides toward making Evolution's configuration far more readable and easier to back up and copy than ever before. See for example the opening section of https://live.gnome.org/Evolution/ESourceMigrationGuide Matthew Barnes (hoping to douse the troll before the flames get out of hand) ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] how to start over
(hoping to douse the troll before the flames get out of hand) Aww. You're no fun at all. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] how to start over
I installed and started evolution. After messing up my first e-mail account, I tried to fix it, but couldn't find any way to change it. I tried to start over with rm -r ~/.evolution , but that did not work either. Somewhere it found the information to recreate ~/.evolution . I've got an evolution folder/identity/whatever with the right name that doesn't work. It's inert. How do I start over? I'm trying to connect to a cableone.net account. I've used evolution before, but it was a long drawn out struggle. All I really remember is the blood. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu On Monday, I'm gonna have to tell my kindergarten class, whom I teach not to run with scissors, that my fiance ran me through with a broadsword. -- Lily ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] how to start over
On Mon, 2013-05-06 at 18:42 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: I installed and started evolution. After messing up my first e-mail account, I tried to fix it, but couldn't find any way to change it. I tried to start over with rm -r ~/.evolution , but that did not work either. Somewhere it found the information to recreate ~/.evolution . I've got an evolution folder/identity/whatever with the right name that doesn't work. It's inert. How do I start over? I'm trying to connect to a cableone.net account. I've used evolution before, but it was a long drawn out struggle. All I really remember is the blood. As has been stated countless times here, different versions of Evo work differently, so you need to start by saying what version you have. Look at Help-About. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
