RE: CLEVER SPAM EMAIL

2002-07-17 Thread Robert Moir



 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: 16 July 2002 18:13
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: CLEVER SPAM EMAIL
 
 
 Reading those docs makes troubleshooting e-mail issues so 
 much easier. Printing out RFC821 and trying to send e-mail 
 from a telnet session (to duplicate what's being done in the 
 RFCs) takes only a day, but the benefits will last much longer.

I don't see how anyone could call themselves an email system administrator
if they can't do this. It scares me that I might be exposing my poor email
servers to people who think this is new news...

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RE: CLEVER SPAM EMAIL

2002-07-17 Thread East, Bill

And yet, Baldric^WRobert, there are administrators out there who would not
recognize a clever spam email if it danced up and down in front of them
singing Clever Spam Emails are Here Again.

Which is (partially) why SMTP has continued to work, since it was designed
to run without too much interference from the administrators; it is also why
the likes of use continue to find employment, since when it does break it is
usually a doozy.

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 -Original Message-
 From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:27 AM
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 Subject: RE: CLEVER SPAM EMAIL
 
 
 
 
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  From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: 16 July 2002 18:13
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  Subject: RE: CLEVER SPAM EMAIL
  
  
  Reading those docs makes troubleshooting e-mail issues so 
  much easier. Printing out RFC821 and trying to send e-mail 
  from a telnet session (to duplicate what's being done in the 
  RFCs) takes only a day, but the benefits will last much longer.
 
 I don't see how anyone could call themselves an email system 
 administrator
 if they can't do this. It scares me that I might be exposing 
 my poor email
 servers to people who think this is new news...
 
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RE: CLEVER SPAM EMAIL

2002-07-17 Thread Freese, Roberta

Ah, yes but there's a bit more to that one, IIRC:

And yet, Baldric^WRobert, there are administrators out there who would not
recognize a clever spam email if it 

painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord, 

singing Clever Spam Emails are Here Again.


(I knew I'd memorized Blackadder's Christmas Carol for some good reason -
it's a holiday tradition in our house!)  


Roberta Freese
Information Systems Services
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No offense intended to anyone, just thought I'd share ... back to lurking

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RE: CLEVER SPAM EMAIL

2002-07-17 Thread Chris Scharff

  Reading those docs makes troubleshooting e-mail issues so
  much easier. Printing out RFC821 and trying to send e-mail
  from a telnet session (to duplicate what's being done in the
  RFCs) takes only a day, but the benefits will last much longer.
 
 I don't see how anyone could call themselves an email system administrator
 if they can't do this. It scares me that I might be exposing my poor email
 servers to people who think this is new news...

Well, to be fair there are plenty of folks on this list for whom e-mail
administration (and even IT work in General) is not their full time job. It
would (and does) scare me if someone who gets paid to administer an e-mail
server exclusively hasn't read them. But even for the part time
administrator, there's real value in reading the RFCs and playing around
with sending an e-mail via telnet to your boss which appears to come from
Bill Clinton.

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RE: CLEVER SPAM EMAIL

2002-07-17 Thread Andy David

I did not have email with that woman.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 10:41 AM
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Subject: RE: CLEVER SPAM EMAIL


  Reading those docs makes troubleshooting e-mail issues so
  much easier. Printing out RFC821 and trying to send e-mail
  from a telnet session (to duplicate what's being done in the
  RFCs) takes only a day, but the benefits will last much longer.
 
 I don't see how anyone could call themselves an email system administrator
 if they can't do this. It scares me that I might be exposing my poor email
 servers to people who think this is new news...

Well, to be fair there are plenty of folks on this list for whom e-mail
administration (and even IT work in General) is not their full time job. It
would (and does) scare me if someone who gets paid to administer an e-mail
server exclusively hasn't read them. But even for the part time
administrator, there's real value in reading the RFCs and playing around
with sending an e-mail via telnet to your boss which appears to come from
Bill Clinton.

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RE: CLEVER SPAM EMAIL

2002-07-16 Thread Casey Taguchi

Does this mean I have no recourse?

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RE: CLEVER SPAM EMAIL

2002-07-16 Thread Ed Crowley

You can disconnect from the Internet.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


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RE: CLEVER SPAM EMAIL

2002-07-16 Thread Ed Crowley

Really, and this doesn't apply solely to you, Mr. Taguchi, everyone
should read and understand RFCs 821 and 822, and their successors 2821
and 2822.  All this Spam, spoofing and security becomes pretty clear to
you when you've read these documents.  They don't take much time to go
through, you're much better off for having done it.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


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RE: CLEVER SPAM EMAIL

2002-07-16 Thread Chris Scharff

Reading those docs makes troubleshooting e-mail issues so much easier.
Printing out RFC821 and trying to send e-mail from a telnet session (to
duplicate what's being done in the RFCs) takes only a day, but the benefits
will last much longer.

 -Original Message-
 From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 12:02 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: CLEVER SPAM EMAIL
 
 Really, and this doesn't apply solely to you, Mr. Taguchi, everyone
 should read and understand RFCs 821 and 822, and their successors 2821
 and 2822.  All this Spam, spoofing and security becomes pretty clear to
 you when you've read these documents.  They don't take much time to go
 through, you're much better off for having done it.
 
 Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
 Tech Consultant
 hp Services
 Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
 
 
 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Casey Taguchi
 Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 7:12 AM
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 Subject: RE: CLEVER SPAM EMAIL
 
 
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CLEVER SPAM EMAIL

2002-07-15 Thread Casey Taguchi

Greetings,

We have been receiving mail from someone out there where they have been
placing the return address as the receivers address.  When the user
receives a message it looks as though its coming from themselves.  Is
there anywhere in the Exchange 5.5 admin where I can place a restriction
on emails to have the from address as the ligitimate address its comming
from?

Thanks for anyone who can help.
Casey

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RE: CLEVER SPAM EMAIL

2002-07-15 Thread Chris Scharff

When you figure out how to verify the from address is legitimate, let me
know. A similar related conversation took place last week on a similar
topic. The subject of the thread was RE: MAIL SPOOFING;NOT MAN SPOOFING.

 -Original Message-
 From: Casey Taguchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:28 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: CLEVER SPAM EMAIL
 
 Greetings,
 
 We have been receiving mail from someone out there where they have been
 placing the return address as the receivers address.  When the user
 receives a message it looks as though its coming from themselves.  Is
 there anywhere in the Exchange 5.5 admin where I can place a restriction
 on emails to have the from address as the ligitimate address its comming
 from?
 
 Thanks for anyone who can help.
 Casey
 
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RE: CLEVER SPAM EMAIL

2002-07-15 Thread Casey Taguchi

Here is a copy of the header I got from the user.  It appears that the
senders address has been forged with the receivers address.



Received: from mail.syncor.com (YWING [10.10.51.35]) by
us-whl-e2.syncor.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service
Version 5.5.2653.13)
id 3VBMCSA6; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:14:14 -0700
Received: from host101-228.pool22816.interbusiness.it
(host101-228.pool22816.interbusiness.it [80.16.228.101] (may be forged))
by mail.syncor.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03382
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:55:44 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Authentication-Warning: mail.syncor.com:
host101-228.pool22816.interbusiness.it [80.16.228.101] (may be forged)
didn't use HELO protocol
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:18:45 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Encoding: MIME
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary==_NextPart_1125_42721275202112618143383266572
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Received: from syncor.com by 0QRMDI33724O.syncor.com with SMTP for
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:18:45 -0500
Importance: Normal
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Keep porn free...
X-Priority: 3
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: CLEVER SPAM EMAIL

2002-07-15 Thread Martin Blackstone

[EMAIL PROTECTED]??

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From: Casey Taguchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 10:58 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: CLEVER SPAM EMAIL


Here is a copy of the header I got from the user.  It appears that the
senders address has been forged with the receivers address.



Received: from mail.syncor.com (YWING [10.10.51.35]) by us-whl-e2.syncor.com
with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
id 3VBMCSA6; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:14:14 -0700
Received: from host101-228.pool22816.interbusiness.it
(host101-228.pool22816.interbusiness.it [80.16.228.101] (may be forged))
by mail.syncor.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03382
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:55:44 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Authentication-Warning: mail.syncor.com:
host101-228.pool22816.interbusiness.it [80.16.228.101] (may be forged)
didn't use HELO protocol
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:18:45 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Encoding: MIME
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary==_NextPart_1125_42721275202112618143383266572
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Received: from syncor.com by 0QRMDI33724O.syncor.com with SMTP for
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:18:45 -0500
Importance: Normal
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Keep porn free...
X-Priority: 3
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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