RE: Deckler wrote a book?!?
The one about hijacking threads and thinking the world revolves around you? Try googling on Net etiquette or Netiquette. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 15/09/2003 21:43 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Do any of you 2 know anything about my issue? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman Sent: 15 September 2003 21:26 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Hear hear. It's not like IT professionals are politicians taking kickbacks and getting thousands and thousands of dollars in gift money. Doctors need a code of ethics because of the nature of their career-path; it's so amazingly easy to ruin someone's life as a doctor (or save it, of course). You tell me where we have such power. Matt -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The problem with Deckler's ethics argument, as Andy pointed out, is that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder, ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some pharmaceutical on it. I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with Lexis/Nexis and Bank of Hawaii umbrellas. Are we to believe that a tax attorney with a Bank of Hawaii umbrella is unethical because he's going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their investment accounts at BankOH? Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products. Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces. The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats, pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed. Epson sent me some promotional pens and laser pointers in exchange for receiving literature about their new projectors -- I haven't bought a new projector in about 3 years. If I do, I'll consider Epson along with several other brands. I'm a CNA with no NetWare installed. Maybe I am the rare IT guy with nerves of steel, but the fact is that some vendor giving my knick-knacks, some initials or a free CD of demo software just isn't going to cause me to recommend a solution that I don't believe is the best solution. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wampler Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification
RE: Deckler wrote a book?!?
I have a Thunder Grey truck. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Deckler wrote a book?!? Anyone know where MEC is this year? - Original Message - From: Robert Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 1:48 PM Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The one about hijacking threads and thinking the world revolves around you? Try googling on Net etiquette or Netiquette. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 15/09/2003 21:43 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Do any of you 2 know anything about my issue? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman Sent: 15 September 2003 21:26 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Hear hear. It's not like IT professionals are politicians taking kickbacks and getting thousands and thousands of dollars in gift money. Doctors need a code of ethics because of the nature of their career-path; it's so amazingly easy to ruin someone's life as a doctor (or save it, of course). You tell me where we have such power. Matt -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The problem with Deckler's ethics argument, as Andy pointed out, is that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder, ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some pharmaceutical on it. I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with Lexis/Nexis and Bank of Hawaii umbrellas. Are we to believe that a tax attorney with a Bank of Hawaii umbrella is unethical because he's going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their investment accounts at BankOH? Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products. Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces. The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats, pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed. Epson sent me some promotional pens and laser pointers in exchange for receiving literature about their new projectors -- I haven't bought a new projector in about 3 years. If I do, I'll consider Epson along with several other brands. I'm a CNA with no NetWare installed. Maybe I am the rare IT guy with nerves of steel, but the fact is that some vendor giving my knick-knacks, some initials or a free CD of demo software just isn't going to cause me to recommend a solution that I don't believe is the best solution. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wampler Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification as a doctor, which dont make no sense obviously there are some strong feelings about some past history that i have no idea about but the ethics piece looks like a sound argument to me Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Re: Deckler wrote a book?!?
Anyone know where MEC is this year? - Original Message - From: Robert Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 1:48 PM Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The one about hijacking threads and thinking the world revolves around you? Try googling on Net etiquette or Netiquette. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 15/09/2003 21:43 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Do any of you 2 know anything about my issue? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman Sent: 15 September 2003 21:26 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Hear hear. It's not like IT professionals are politicians taking kickbacks and getting thousands and thousands of dollars in gift money. Doctors need a code of ethics because of the nature of their career-path; it's so amazingly easy to ruin someone's life as a doctor (or save it, of course). You tell me where we have such power. Matt -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The problem with Deckler's ethics argument, as Andy pointed out, is that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder, ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some pharmaceutical on it. I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with Lexis/Nexis and Bank of Hawaii umbrellas. Are we to believe that a tax attorney with a Bank of Hawaii umbrella is unethical because he's going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their investment accounts at BankOH? Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products. Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces. The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats, pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed. Epson sent me some promotional pens and laser pointers in exchange for receiving literature about their new projectors -- I haven't bought a new projector in about 3 years. If I do, I'll consider Epson along with several other brands. I'm a CNA with no NetWare installed. Maybe I am the rare IT guy with nerves of steel, but the fact is that some vendor giving my knick-knacks, some initials or a free CD of demo software just isn't going to cause me to recommend a solution that I don't believe is the best solution. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wampler Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification as a doctor, which dont make no sense obviously there are some strong feelings about some past history that i have no idea about but the ethics piece looks like a sound argument to me Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com
RE: Deckler wrote a book?!?
The nearest bar to my house, 30 mins from now. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 16/09/2003 18:57 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: Re: Deckler wrote a book?!? Anyone know where MEC is this year? - Original Message - From: Robert Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 1:48 PM Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The one about hijacking threads and thinking the world revolves around you? Try googling on Net etiquette or Netiquette. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 15/09/2003 21:43 To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Do any of you 2 know anything about my issue? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman Sent: 15 September 2003 21:26 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Hear hear. It's not like IT professionals are politicians taking kickbacks and getting thousands and thousands of dollars in gift money. Doctors need a code of ethics because of the nature of their career-path; it's so amazingly easy to ruin someone's life as a doctor (or save it, of course). You tell me where we have such power. Matt -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The problem with Deckler's ethics argument, as Andy pointed out, is that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder, ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some pharmaceutical on it. I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with Lexis/Nexis and Bank of Hawaii umbrellas. Are we to believe that a tax attorney with a Bank of Hawaii umbrella is unethical because he's going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their investment accounts at BankOH? Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products. Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces. The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats, pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed. Epson sent me some promotional pens and laser pointers in exchange for receiving literature about their new projectors -- I haven't bought a new projector in about 3 years. If I do, I'll consider Epson along with several other brands. I'm a CNA with no NetWare installed. Maybe I am the rare IT guy with nerves of steel, but the fact is that some vendor giving my knick-knacks, some initials or a free CD of demo software just isn't going to cause me to recommend a solution that I don't believe is the best solution. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wampler Sent: Monday, September 15
RE: Deckler wrote a book?!?
What plantation, sir? The city used eminent domain to steal the land for a K-mart. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, September 15, 2003 7:12 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Deckler wrote a book?!? Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? What I'd expect from an Atlanta plantation owner. Ed --- John Matteson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pardon my penny and a half's worth, but any site with connections to an organization that has Social Responsibility in it, is nothing more than a front for some wildly left leaning, anti-capitalist, anti-business nest of hobgoblins. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Webb, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Saturday, September 13, 2003 12:20 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Deckler wrote a book?!? Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Oh, it's the same guy all right. http://www.infonition.com/home.shtml And his age old arguments about how unprofessional we all are are now here: http://www.infonition.com/ethics.shtml Of course he's still wrong. His counterpoint to IT people being unethical compared to doctors and lawyers is ridiculous. Do give http://www.infonition.com/docs/Briefs/The%20Importance%20of%20Ethics%20i n%20IT.pdf a read for fun. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 9:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? At only 88 pages, it doesn't seem like it would be the same guy. He used to have posts in this list longer than that! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Bielby Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 6:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Deckler wrote a book?!? For those of you that remember the early days of the list, is this the same Deckler that used to post here? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0595289703/qid%3D1063417520/sr%3D 11-1 /ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-3211233-4840161 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Deckler wrote a book?!?
Not I. I was only pointing out a flaw in the IT can't be professional/ethical without a governing board argument that was being put forth. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:57 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Deckler wrote a book?!? Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? And you'd pay all this money just so that state board could aggressively ignore all violations of standards as medical boards typically do. Ed --- John Matteson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So to draw a parallel to the world of doctors, you want: A state licensing board for an IT guy/gal to call themselves an IT guy/gal. A state licensing board for every subspecialty of IT (programming, systems admin, network design, network operations, mail (Netscape), mail (Exchange), mail (isocor), etc. A state association that you MUST may association dues to, or face being listed not in good standing in their directory. (repeat above for each and every state that you want to practice your trade in, whether in person or via tele-presence). Not for me, thanks. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Joel Wampler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, September 15, 2003 9:30 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Deckler wrote a book?!? Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification as a doctor, which dont make no sense obviously there are some strong feelings about some past history that i have no idea about but the ethics piece looks like a sound argument to me Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Deckler wrote a book?!?
The biggest plantation owner of all. --- John Matteson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What plantation, sir? The city used eminent domain to steal the land for a K-mart. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, September 15, 2003 7:12 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Deckler wrote a book?!? Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? What I'd expect from an Atlanta plantation owner. Ed --- John Matteson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pardon my penny and a half's worth, but any site with connections to an organization that has Social Responsibility in it, is nothing more than a front for some wildly left leaning, anti-capitalist, anti-business nest of hobgoblins. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Webb, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Saturday, September 13, 2003 12:20 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Deckler wrote a book?!? Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Oh, it's the same guy all right. http://www.infonition.com/home.shtml And his age old arguments about how unprofessional we all are are now here: http://www.infonition.com/ethics.shtml Of course he's still wrong. His counterpoint to IT people being unethical compared to doctors and lawyers is ridiculous. Do give http://www.infonition.com/docs/Briefs/The%20Importance%20of%20Ethics%20i n%20IT.pdf a read for fun. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 9:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? At only 88 pages, it doesn't seem like it would be the same guy. He used to have posts in this list longer than that! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Bielby Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 6:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Deckler wrote a book?!? For those of you that remember the early days of the list, is this the same Deckler that used to post here? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0595289703/qid%3D1063417520/sr%3D 11-1 /ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-3211233-4840161 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
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I want to know who I can call to make sure I'm getting my proper kickbacks. That's money I'm losing out on Deckler! Matt -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 1:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, Andy Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 9:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Oh, it's the same guy all right. http://www.infonition.com/home.shtml And his age old arguments about how unprofessional we all are are now here: http://www.infonition.com/ethics.shtml Of course he's still wrong. His counterpoint to IT people being unethical compared to doctors and lawyers is ridiculous. Do give http://www.infonition.com/docs/Briefs/The%20Importance%20of%20Ethics%20i n%20IT.pdf a read for fun. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 9:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? At only 88 pages, it doesn't seem like it would be the same guy. He used to have posts in this list longer than that! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Bielby Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 6:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Deckler wrote a book?!? For those of you that remember the early days of the list, is this the same Deckler that used to post here? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0595289703/qid%3D1063417520/sr%3D 11-1 /ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-3211233-4840161 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification as a doctor, which dont make no sense obviously there are some strong feelings about some past history that i have no idea about but the ethics piece looks like a sound argument to me Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You could take the work IT out of these kinds of statements and put in anything you want and it would come out exactly the same -Original Message- From: Joel Wampler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification as a doctor, which dont make no sense obviously there are some strong feelings about some past history that i have no idea about but the ethics piece looks like a sound argument to me Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well, to look at your point about a Pfizer certification, don't mechanics have different certifications based on what type of automobiles they work on? I believe there's a Ford certification and something else... I'm not real knowledgable on the subject. Matt -Original Message- From: Joel Wampler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 9:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification as a doctor, which dont make no sense obviously there are some strong feelings about some past history that i have no idea about but the ethics piece looks like a sound argument to me Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It's the assertion that doctors are more professional /because/ they don't take benefits from the manufacturers - which is false. Further, if a particular piece of technology is complicated enough to require a certification, then I'd sure prefer them to not only be certified on it, but also to choose to use that one over another. It's the assertion that lawyers are more professional /because/ they don't have conflicts of interest - which is false. The operational definition of conflict of interest is different in the law arena in my opinion. It's the assertion that /any/ association with a software or hardware manufacturer /always/ clouds your judgment and makes you an IT unprofessional. I don't agree that an independent board of governance is suitable guarantee of ethics or professionalism. I don't believe that a vendor's certification should be used as a measure of that either. Obviously there's lots more to this topic, but then that's one of the other problems with the short paper on ethics that we're talking about. It is too generalized to provide adequate information. And, yes, there's certainly history in the mailing list archives. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wampler Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 8:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification as a doctor, which dont make no sense obviously there are some strong feelings about some past history that i have no idea about but the ethics piece looks like a sound argument to me Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pardon my penny and a half's worth, but any site with connections to an organization that has Social Responsibility in it, is nothing more than a front for some wildly left leaning, anti-capitalist, anti-business nest of hobgoblins. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Webb, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Saturday, September 13, 2003 12:20 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Deckler wrote a book?!? Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Oh, it's the same guy all right. http://www.infonition.com/home.shtml And his age old arguments about how unprofessional we all are are now here: http://www.infonition.com/ethics.shtml Of course he's still wrong. His counterpoint to IT people being unethical compared to doctors and lawyers is ridiculous. Do give http://www.infonition.com/docs/Briefs/The%20Importance%20of%20Ethics%20i n%20IT.pdf a read for fun. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 9:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? At only 88 pages, it doesn't seem like it would be the same guy. He used to have posts in this list longer than that! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Bielby Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 6:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Deckler wrote a book?!? For those of you that remember the early days of the list, is this the same Deckler that used to post here? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0595289703/qid%3D1063417520/sr%3D 11-1 /ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-3211233-4840161 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So to draw a parallel to the world of doctors, you want: A state licensing board for an IT guy/gal to call themselves an IT guy/gal. A state licensing board for every subspecialty of IT (programming, systems admin, network design, network operations, mail (Netscape), mail (Exchange), mail (isocor), etc. A state association that you MUST may association dues to, or face being listed not in good standing in their directory. (repeat above for each and every state that you want to practice your trade in, whether in person or via tele-presence). Not for me, thanks. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Joel Wampler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, September 15, 2003 9:30 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Deckler wrote a book?!? Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification as a doctor, which dont make no sense obviously there are some strong feelings about some past history that i have no idea about but the ethics piece looks like a sound argument to me Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hmmm. Oddly enough, I would have figured it to be the other way round; that any person who attempts to keep me from being able to do my job freely with no complications was a capitalist wage-slave owner, but's that's just my particular set of thoughts... Matt -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Pardon my penny and a half's worth, but any site with connections to an organization that has Social Responsibility in it, is nothing more than a front for some wildly left leaning, anti-capitalist, anti-business nest of hobgoblins. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Webb, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Saturday, September 13, 2003 12:20 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Deckler wrote a book?!? Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Oh, it's the same guy all right. http://www.infonition.com/home.shtml And his age old arguments about how unprofessional we all are are now here: http://www.infonition.com/ethics.shtml Of course he's still wrong. His counterpoint to IT people being unethical compared to doctors and lawyers is ridiculous. Do give http://www.infonition.com/docs/Briefs/The%20Importance%20of%20Ethics%20i n%20IT.pdf a read for fun. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 9:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? At only 88 pages, it doesn't seem like it would be the same guy. He used to have posts in this list longer than that! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Bielby Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 6:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Deckler wrote a book?!? For those of you that remember the early days of the list, is this the same Deckler that used to post here? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0595289703/qid%3D1063417520/sr%3D 11-1 /ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-3211233-4840161 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The problem with Deckler's ethics argument, as Andy pointed out, is that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder, ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some pharmaceutical on it. I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with Lexis/Nexis and Bank of Hawaii umbrellas. Are we to believe that a tax attorney with a Bank of Hawaii umbrella is unethical because he's going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their investment accounts at BankOH? Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products. Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces. The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats, pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed. Epson sent me some promotional pens and laser pointers in exchange for receiving literature about their new projectors -- I haven't bought a new projector in about 3 years. If I do, I'll consider Epson along with several other brands. I'm a CNA with no NetWare installed. Maybe I am the rare IT guy with nerves of steel, but the fact is that some vendor giving my knick-knacks, some initials or a free CD of demo software just isn't going to cause me to recommend a solution that I don't believe is the best solution. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wampler Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification as a doctor, which dont make no sense obviously there are some strong feelings about some past history that i have no idea about but the ethics piece looks like a sound argument to me Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hear hear. It's not like IT professionals are politicians taking kickbacks and getting thousands and thousands of dollars in gift money. Doctors need a code of ethics because of the nature of their career-path; it's so amazingly easy to ruin someone's life as a doctor (or save it, of course). You tell me where we have such power. Matt -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The problem with Deckler's ethics argument, as Andy pointed out, is that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder, ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some pharmaceutical on it. I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with Lexis/Nexis and Bank of Hawaii umbrellas. Are we to believe that a tax attorney with a Bank of Hawaii umbrella is unethical because he's going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their investment accounts at BankOH? Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products. Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces. The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats, pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed. Epson sent me some promotional pens and laser pointers in exchange for receiving literature about their new projectors -- I haven't bought a new projector in about 3 years. If I do, I'll consider Epson along with several other brands. I'm a CNA with no NetWare installed. Maybe I am the rare IT guy with nerves of steel, but the fact is that some vendor giving my knick-knacks, some initials or a free CD of demo software just isn't going to cause me to recommend a solution that I don't believe is the best solution. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wampler Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification as a doctor, which dont make no sense obviously there are some strong feelings about some past history that i have no idea about but the ethics piece looks like a sound argument to me Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Deckler wrote a book?!?
That would automatically make him unethical then as well. He was one of the consultants that helped migrate our mail system (not my choice to bring in consultants). Walked in wearing a Novell jacket and a Novell shirt. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:12 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Deckler wrote a book?!? Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The problem with Deckler's ethics argument, as Andy pointed out, is that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder, ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some pharmaceutical on it. I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with Lexis/Nexis and Bank of Hawaii umbrellas. Are we to believe that a tax attorney with a Bank of Hawaii umbrella is unethical because he's going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their investment accounts at BankOH? Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products. Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces. The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats, pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed. Epson sent me some promotional pens and laser pointers in exchange for receiving literature about their new projectors -- I haven't bought a new projector in about 3 years. If I do, I'll consider Epson along with several other brands. I'm a CNA with no NetWare installed. Maybe I am the rare IT guy with nerves of steel, but the fact is that some vendor giving my knick-knacks, some initials or a free CD of demo software just isn't going to cause me to recommend a solution that I don't believe is the best solution. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wampler Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification as a doctor, which dont make no sense obviously there are some strong feelings about some past history that i have no idea about but the ethics piece looks like a sound argument to me Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Deckler wrote a book?!?
gasp And how many NetWare/Groupwise seats did he force you to buy? -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Winzenz Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? That would automatically make him unethical then as well. He was one of the consultants that helped migrate our mail system (not my choice to bring in consultants). Walked in wearing a Novell jacket and a Novell shirt. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:12 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Deckler wrote a book?!? Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The problem with Deckler's ethics argument, as Andy pointed out, is that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder, ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some pharmaceutical on it. I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with Lexis/Nexis and Bank of Hawaii umbrellas. Are we to believe that a tax attorney with a Bank of Hawaii umbrella is unethical because he's going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their investment accounts at BankOH? Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products. Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces. The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats, pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed. Epson sent me some promotional pens and laser pointers in exchange for receiving literature about their new projectors -- I haven't bought a new projector in about 3 years. If I do, I'll consider Epson along with several other brands. I'm a CNA with no NetWare installed. Maybe I am the rare IT guy with nerves of steel, but the fact is that some vendor giving my knick-knacks, some initials or a free CD of demo software just isn't going to cause me to recommend a solution that I don't believe is the best solution. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wampler Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification as a doctor, which dont make no sense obviously there are some strong feelings about some past history that i have no idea about but the ethics piece looks like a sound argument to me Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english
RE: Deckler wrote a book?!?
Do any of you 2 know anything about my issue? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman Sent: 15 September 2003 21:26 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Hear hear. It's not like IT professionals are politicians taking kickbacks and getting thousands and thousands of dollars in gift money. Doctors need a code of ethics because of the nature of their career-path; it's so amazingly easy to ruin someone's life as a doctor (or save it, of course). You tell me where we have such power. Matt -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The problem with Deckler's ethics argument, as Andy pointed out, is that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder, ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some pharmaceutical on it. I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with Lexis/Nexis and Bank of Hawaii umbrellas. Are we to believe that a tax attorney with a Bank of Hawaii umbrella is unethical because he's going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their investment accounts at BankOH? Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products. Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces. The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats, pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed. Epson sent me some promotional pens and laser pointers in exchange for receiving literature about their new projectors -- I haven't bought a new projector in about 3 years. If I do, I'll consider Epson along with several other brands. I'm a CNA with no NetWare installed. Maybe I am the rare IT guy with nerves of steel, but the fact is that some vendor giving my knick-knacks, some initials or a free CD of demo software just isn't going to cause me to recommend a solution that I don't believe is the best solution. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wampler Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification as a doctor, which dont make no sense obviously there are some strong feelings about some past history that i have no idea about but the ethics piece looks like a sound argument to me Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting
RE: Deckler wrote a book?!?
Please describe the issue. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 2:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Do any of you 2 know anything about my issue? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman Sent: 15 September 2003 21:26 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Hear hear. It's not like IT professionals are politicians taking kickbacks and getting thousands and thousands of dollars in gift money. Doctors need a code of ethics because of the nature of their career-path; it's so amazingly easy to ruin someone's life as a doctor (or save it, of course). You tell me where we have such power. Matt -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The problem with Deckler's ethics argument, as Andy pointed out, is that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder, ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some pharmaceutical on it. I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with Lexis/Nexis and Bank of Hawaii umbrellas. Are we to believe that a tax attorney with a Bank of Hawaii umbrella is unethical because he's going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their investment accounts at BankOH? Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products. Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces. The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats, pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed. Epson sent me some promotional pens and laser pointers in exchange for receiving literature about their new projectors -- I haven't bought a new projector in about 3 years. If I do, I'll consider Epson along with several other brands. I'm a CNA with no NetWare installed. Maybe I am the rare IT guy with nerves of steel, but the fact is that some vendor giving my knick-knacks, some initials or a free CD of demo software just isn't going to cause me to recommend a solution that I don't believe is the best solution. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wampler Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification as a doctor, which dont make no sense obviously there are some strong feelings about some past history that i have no idea about but the ethics piece looks like a sound argument to me Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl
RE: Deckler wrote a book?!?
I don't know what your issue is, so I'm afraid I'd have to answer No at the moment. :) Perhaps you could elaborate? -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Do any of you 2 know anything about my issue? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman Sent: 15 September 2003 21:26 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Hear hear. It's not like IT professionals are politicians taking kickbacks and getting thousands and thousands of dollars in gift money. Doctors need a code of ethics because of the nature of their career-path; it's so amazingly easy to ruin someone's life as a doctor (or save it, of course). You tell me where we have such power. Matt -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The problem with Deckler's ethics argument, as Andy pointed out, is that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder, ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some pharmaceutical on it. I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with Lexis/Nexis and Bank of Hawaii umbrellas. Are we to believe that a tax attorney with a Bank of Hawaii umbrella is unethical because he's going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their investment accounts at BankOH? Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products. Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces. The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats, pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed. Epson sent me some promotional pens and laser pointers in exchange for receiving literature about their new projectors -- I haven't bought a new projector in about 3 years. If I do, I'll consider Epson along with several other brands. I'm a CNA with no NetWare installed. Maybe I am the rare IT guy with nerves of steel, but the fact is that some vendor giving my knick-knacks, some initials or a free CD of demo software just isn't going to cause me to recommend a solution that I don't believe is the best solution. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wampler Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification as a doctor, which dont make no sense obviously there are some strong feelings about some past history that i have no idea about but the ethics piece looks like a sound argument to me Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe
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However, if he walked in wearing a Lotus Notes shirt/jacket you COULD question his intelligence. ;) Joseph Smith Network Administrator Perlos, Inc. 5201 Alliance Gateway Fort Worth, TX 76178-3729 Work: 817-224-9012 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? That would automatically make him unethical then as well. He was one of the consultants that helped migrate our mail system (not my choice to bring in consultants). Walked in wearing a Novell jacket and a Novell shirt. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:12 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Deckler wrote a book?!? Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The problem with Deckler's ethics argument, as Andy pointed out, is that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder, ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some pharmaceutical on it. I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with Lexis/Nexis and Bank of Hawaii umbrellas. Are we to believe that a tax attorney with a Bank of Hawaii umbrella is unethical because he's going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their investment accounts at BankOH? Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products. Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces. The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats, pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed. Epson sent me some promotional pens and laser pointers in exchange for receiving literature about their new projectors -- I haven't bought a new projector in about 3 years. If I do, I'll consider Epson along with several other brands. I'm a CNA with no NetWare installed. Maybe I am the rare IT guy with nerves of steel, but the fact is that some vendor giving my knick-knacks, some initials or a free CD of demo software just isn't going to cause me to recommend a solution that I don't believe is the best solution. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wampler Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification as a doctor, which dont make no sense obviously there are some strong feelings about some past history that i have no idea about but the ethics piece looks like a sound argument to me Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english
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Setup; Single DC was Windows 2000 sp4 with Exchange 2000 sp3 on Same Box- no issues. Upgraded to Exchange 2003 - No issues - very nice. Upgraded box now with Windows 2000 and Exchange 2003 and now cannot access Exchange System Manager, get error Access is denied, Facility Win32, ID No: c0070005, Exchange System Manager click ok and it quits. Similarly, I cannot access Active Directory Users Computers, it runs ok but when I click on a User object or any object for that matter I get; Microsoft Active Directory - Exchange Extension, Access is denied, Facility Win32, ID No: c0070005, Exchange System Manager I click ok then the MMC quits. This has basically crippled the admin of the system, albeit the Exchange system is actually functioning ok from any client. I get the same errors if I try to administer the domain from a client, signed on as administrator. Clients can log into the domain without issue. The server allows me to do other admin functions as if the admin usercode has the correct privilege. Also, when I run event viewer, it will only let me see the security log, all of the others say, access is denied. If anyone else has seen this, I would appreciate some help. I have only just joined the list so if it has already been discussed, could someone please forward me the thread. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Schorr Sent: 15 September 2003 21:53 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? I don't know what your issue is, so I'm afraid I'd have to answer No at the moment. :) Perhaps you could elaborate? -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Do any of you 2 know anything about my issue? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman Sent: 15 September 2003 21:26 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Hear hear. It's not like IT professionals are politicians taking kickbacks and getting thousands and thousands of dollars in gift money. Doctors need a code of ethics because of the nature of their career-path; it's so amazingly easy to ruin someone's life as a doctor (or save it, of course). You tell me where we have such power. Matt -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The problem with Deckler's ethics argument, as Andy pointed out, is that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder, ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some pharmaceutical on it. I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with Lexis/Nexis and Bank of Hawaii umbrellas. Are we to believe that a tax attorney with a Bank of Hawaii umbrella is unethical because he's going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their investment accounts at BankOH? Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products. Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces. The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats, pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed. Epson sent me some promotional pens and laser pointers in exchange for receiving literature about their new projectors -- I haven't bought a new projector in about 3 years. If I do, I'll consider Epson along with several other brands. I'm a CNA with no NetWare installed. Maybe I am the rare IT guy with nerves of steel, but the fact is that some vendor giving my knick-knacks, some initials or a free CD of demo software just isn't going to cause me to recommend
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And you'd pay all this money just so that state board could aggressively ignore all violations of standards as medical boards typically do. Ed --- John Matteson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So to draw a parallel to the world of doctors, you want: A state licensing board for an IT guy/gal to call themselves an IT guy/gal. A state licensing board for every subspecialty of IT (programming, systems admin, network design, network operations, mail (Netscape), mail (Exchange), mail (isocor), etc. A state association that you MUST may association dues to, or face being listed not in good standing in their directory. (repeat above for each and every state that you want to practice your trade in, whether in person or via tele-presence). Not for me, thanks. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Joel Wampler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, September 15, 2003 9:30 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Deckler wrote a book?!? Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification as a doctor, which dont make no sense obviously there are some strong feelings about some past history that i have no idea about but the ethics piece looks like a sound argument to me Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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What I'd expect from an Atlanta plantation owner. Ed --- John Matteson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pardon my penny and a half's worth, but any site with connections to an organization that has Social Responsibility in it, is nothing more than a front for some wildly left leaning, anti-capitalist, anti-business nest of hobgoblins. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Webb, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Saturday, September 13, 2003 12:20 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Deckler wrote a book?!? Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Oh, it's the same guy all right. http://www.infonition.com/home.shtml And his age old arguments about how unprofessional we all are are now here: http://www.infonition.com/ethics.shtml Of course he's still wrong. His counterpoint to IT people being unethical compared to doctors and lawyers is ridiculous. Do give http://www.infonition.com/docs/Briefs/The%20Importance%20of%20Ethics%20i n%20IT.pdf a read for fun. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 9:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? At only 88 pages, it doesn't seem like it would be the same guy. He used to have posts in this list longer than that! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Bielby Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 6:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Deckler wrote a book?!? For those of you that remember the early days of the list, is this the same Deckler that used to post here? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0595289703/qid%3D1063417520/sr%3D 11-1 /ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-3211233-4840161 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The question is, do you have anything to contribute to the ethics/book discussion or are you just hijacking this topic? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Do any of you 2 know anything about my issue? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman Sent: 15 September 2003 21:26 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Hear hear. It's not like IT professionals are politicians taking kickbacks and getting thousands and thousands of dollars in gift money. Doctors need a code of ethics because of the nature of their career-path; it's so amazingly easy to ruin someone's life as a doctor (or save it, of course). You tell me where we have such power. Matt -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The problem with Deckler's ethics argument, as Andy pointed out, is that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder, ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some pharmaceutical on it. I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with Lexis/Nexis and Bank of Hawaii umbrellas. Are we to believe that a tax attorney with a Bank of Hawaii umbrella is unethical because he's going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their investment accounts at BankOH? Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products. Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces. The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats, pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed. Epson sent me some promotional pens and laser pointers in exchange for receiving literature about their new projectors -- I haven't bought a new projector in about 3 years. If I do, I'll consider Epson along with several other brands. I'm a CNA with no NetWare installed. Maybe I am the rare IT guy with nerves of steel, but the fact is that some vendor giving my knick-knacks, some initials or a free CD of demo software just isn't going to cause me to recommend a solution that I don't believe is the best solution. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wampler Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification as a doctor, which dont make no sense obviously there are some strong feelings about some past history that i have no idea about but the ethics piece looks like a sound argument to me Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List
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Sorry, this change in topic requires a new subject. Don't post a new question like this with an old subject line. The people who you might interest will ignore it and the people in that other conversation will be a tad annoyed at your interruption. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Setup; Single DC was Windows 2000 sp4 with Exchange 2000 sp3 on Same Box- no issues. Upgraded to Exchange 2003 - No issues - very nice. Upgraded box now with Windows 2000 and Exchange 2003 and now cannot access Exchange System Manager, get error Access is denied, Facility Win32, ID No: c0070005, Exchange System Manager click ok and it quits. Similarly, I cannot access Active Directory Users Computers, it runs ok but when I click on a User object or any object for that matter I get; Microsoft Active Directory - Exchange Extension, Access is denied, Facility Win32, ID No: c0070005, Exchange System Manager I click ok then the MMC quits. This has basically crippled the admin of the system, albeit the Exchange system is actually functioning ok from any client. I get the same errors if I try to administer the domain from a client, signed on as administrator. Clients can log into the domain without issue. The server allows me to do other admin functions as if the admin usercode has the correct privilege. Also, when I run event viewer, it will only let me see the security log, all of the others say, access is denied. If anyone else has seen this, I would appreciate some help. I have only just joined the list so if it has already been discussed, could someone please forward me the thread. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Schorr Sent: 15 September 2003 21:53 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? I don't know what your issue is, so I'm afraid I'd have to answer No at the moment. :) Perhaps you could elaborate? -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Do any of you 2 know anything about my issue? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman Sent: 15 September 2003 21:26 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Hear hear. It's not like IT professionals are politicians taking kickbacks and getting thousands and thousands of dollars in gift money. Doctors need a code of ethics because of the nature of their career-path; it's so amazingly easy to ruin someone's life as a doctor (or save it, of course). You tell me where we have such power. Matt -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The problem with Deckler's ethics argument, as Andy pointed out, is that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder, ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some pharmaceutical on it. I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with Lexis/Nexis and Bank of Hawaii umbrellas. Are we to believe that a tax attorney with a Bank of Hawaii umbrella is unethical because he's going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their investment accounts at BankOH? Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products. Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces. The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats, pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed. Epson sent
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I completely agree with you. I have progressed on the issue. I deleted the administrator local profile, now the tools work. However, I am getting a nasty message in the event log that suggests there is a schema problem... Maybe Ed can look at it ? Source EXOLEDB Event Id 111 Microsoft Exchange OLEDB was unable to do Schema propagation on MDB startup HRESULT = 0x80040e19 Is a Windows 2003 Server with Exchange 2003, recently upgraded from Windows 2000 Exchange 2000... Thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, Andy Sent: 16 September 2003 00:17 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The question is, do you have anything to contribute to the ethics/book discussion or are you just hijacking this topic? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Do any of you 2 know anything about my issue? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman Sent: 15 September 2003 21:26 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Hear hear. It's not like IT professionals are politicians taking kickbacks and getting thousands and thousands of dollars in gift money. Doctors need a code of ethics because of the nature of their career-path; it's so amazingly easy to ruin someone's life as a doctor (or save it, of course). You tell me where we have such power. Matt -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The problem with Deckler's ethics argument, as Andy pointed out, is that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder, ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some pharmaceutical on it. I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with Lexis/Nexis and Bank of Hawaii umbrellas. Are we to believe that a tax attorney with a Bank of Hawaii umbrella is unethical because he's going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their investment accounts at BankOH? Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products. Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces. The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats, pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed. Epson sent me some promotional pens and laser pointers in exchange for receiving literature about their new projectors -- I haven't bought a new projector in about 3 years. If I do, I'll consider Epson along with several other brands. I'm a CNA with no NetWare installed. Maybe I am the rare IT guy with nerves of steel, but the fact is that some vendor giving my knick-knacks, some initials or a free CD of demo software just isn't going to cause me to recommend a solution that I don't believe is the best solution. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wampler Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or it guy, probably everyone would say doctor ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional governing body and not have silly things like microsoft certification that would be the equivalent of having pfizer certification as a doctor, which dont make no sense obviously there are some strong feelings about some past
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Tony, If you agree with Andy, then why not do something about it and CHANGE THE SUBJECT?! themolk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 16 September 2003 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? I completely agree with you. I have progressed on the issue. I deleted the administrator local profile, now the tools work. However, I am getting a nasty message in the event log that suggests there is a schema problem... Maybe Ed can look at it ? Source EXOLEDB Event Id 111 Microsoft Exchange OLEDB was unable to do Schema propagation on MDB startup HRESULT = 0x80040e19 Is a Windows 2003 Server with Exchange 2003, recently upgraded from Windows 2000 Exchange 2000... Thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, Andy Sent: 16 September 2003 00:17 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The question is, do you have anything to contribute to the ethics/book discussion or are you just hijacking this topic? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Do any of you 2 know anything about my issue? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman Sent: 15 September 2003 21:26 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Hear hear. It's not like IT professionals are politicians taking kickbacks and getting thousands and thousands of dollars in gift money. Doctors need a code of ethics because of the nature of their career-path; it's so amazingly easy to ruin someone's life as a doctor (or save it, of course). You tell me where we have such power. Matt -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? The problem with Deckler's ethics argument, as Andy pointed out, is that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder, ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some pharmaceutical on it. I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with Lexis/Nexis and Bank of Hawaii umbrellas. Are we to believe that a tax attorney with a Bank of Hawaii umbrella is unethical because he's going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their investment accounts at BankOH? Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products. Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces. The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats, pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed. Epson sent me some promotional pens and laser pointers in exchange for receiving literature about their new projectors -- I haven't bought a new projector in about 3 years. If I do, I'll consider Epson along with several other brands. I'm a CNA with no NetWare installed. Maybe I am the rare IT guy with nerves of steel, but the fact is that some vendor giving my knick-knacks, some initials or a free CD of demo software just isn't going to cause me to recommend a solution that I don't believe is the best solution. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wampler Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and it looks like this to me if you ask 100
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That the thing - Authors have no written code of ethics or organization that enforces those ethics and since when authors write books they get compensation for those books so obviously authors are unethical... ...oh, wait. I'm an author too. Never mind. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 19:54 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, Andy Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 9:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Oh, it's the same guy all right. http://www.infonition.com/home.shtml And his age old arguments about how unprofessional we all are are now here: http://www.infonition.com/ethics.shtml Of course he's still wrong. His counterpoint to IT people being unethical compared to doctors and lawyers is ridiculous. Do give http://www.infonition.com/docs/Briefs/The%20Importance%20of%20Ethics%20i n%20IT.pdf a read for fun. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 9:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? At only 88 pages, it doesn't seem like it would be the same guy. He used to have posts in this list longer than that! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Bielby Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 6:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Deckler wrote a book?!? For those of you that remember the early days of the list, is this the same Deckler that used to post here? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0595289703/qid%3D1063417520/sr%3D 11-1 /ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-3211233-4840161 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hmmm.and lawyers and doctors dont have bais with regards to vendors ? sounds like all those millions of dollars the drug companies spend on junkets for doctors seem to be going to waste. Maybe they should spend it on us easily bought (according to Deckler) IT people. Everyone (no matter what profession) establishes contacts with vendors within their chosen field. Its what allows then to provide value for money, and access to knowledge and resources they otherwise wouldnt have. Sure there are situations where this is open to abuse, however in most industries there are mechanisms in place to minimise it. Anyway, its 5am, better stop now before I rant too much. G. - Original Message - From: Ed Crowley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 3:54 PM Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, Andy Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 9:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Oh, it's the same guy all right. http://www.infonition.com/home.shtml And his age old arguments about how unprofessional we all are are now here: http://www.infonition.com/ethics.shtml Of course he's still wrong. His counterpoint to IT people being unethical compared to doctors and lawyers is ridiculous. Do give http://www.infonition.com/docs/Briefs/The%20Importance%20of%20Ethics%20i n%20IT.pdf a read for fun. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 9:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? At only 88 pages, it doesn't seem like it would be the same guy. He used to have posts in this list longer than that! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Bielby Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 6:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Deckler wrote a book?!? For those of you that remember the early days of the list, is this the same Deckler that used to post here? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0595289703/qid%3D1063417520/sr%3D 11-1 /ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-3211233-4840161 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At only 88 pages, it doesn't seem like it would be the same guy. He used to have posts in this list longer than that! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Bielby Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 6:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Deckler wrote a book?!? For those of you that remember the early days of the list, is this the same Deckler that used to post here? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0595289703/qid%3D1063417520/sr%3D11-1 /ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-3211233-4840161 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oh, it's the same guy all right. http://www.infonition.com/home.shtml And his age old arguments about how unprofessional we all are are now here: http://www.infonition.com/ethics.shtml Of course he's still wrong. His counterpoint to IT people being unethical compared to doctors and lawyers is ridiculous. Do give http://www.infonition.com/docs/Briefs/The%20Importance%20of%20Ethics%20i n%20IT.pdf a read for fun. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 9:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? At only 88 pages, it doesn't seem like it would be the same guy. He used to have posts in this list longer than that! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Bielby Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 6:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Deckler wrote a book?!? For those of you that remember the early days of the list, is this the same Deckler that used to post here? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0595289703/qid%3D1063417520/sr%3D 11-1 /ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-3211233-4840161 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thanks Andy, I needed the chuckle. g -Ben- Ben M. Schorr Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, Andy Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 18:20 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Oh, it's the same guy all right. http://www.infonition.com/home.shtml And his age old arguments about how unprofessional we all are are now here: http://www.infonition.com/ethics.shtml Of course he's still wrong. His counterpoint to IT people being unethical compared to doctors and lawyers is ridiculous. Do give http://www.infonition.com/docs/Briefs/The%20Importance%20of%20Ethics%20i n%20IT.pdf a read for fun. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 9:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? At only 88 pages, it doesn't seem like it would be the same guy. He used to have posts in this list longer than that! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Bielby Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 6:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Deckler wrote a book?!? For those of you that remember the early days of the list, is this the same Deckler that used to post here? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0595289703/qid%3D1063417520/sr%3D 11-1 /ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-3211233-4840161 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Same old bag of gas. IT consultants are all unprofessional except for me. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, Andy Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 9:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? Oh, it's the same guy all right. http://www.infonition.com/home.shtml And his age old arguments about how unprofessional we all are are now here: http://www.infonition.com/ethics.shtml Of course he's still wrong. His counterpoint to IT people being unethical compared to doctors and lawyers is ridiculous. Do give http://www.infonition.com/docs/Briefs/The%20Importance%20of%20Ethics%20i n%20IT.pdf a read for fun. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 9:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!? At only 88 pages, it doesn't seem like it would be the same guy. He used to have posts in this list longer than that! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Bielby Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 6:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Deckler wrote a book?!? For those of you that remember the early days of the list, is this the same Deckler that used to post here? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0595289703/qid%3D1063417520/sr%3D 11-1 /ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-3211233-4840161 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
