RE: SMTP to aol.com
Just my two cents... The text below was copied from an MS paper a very long time ago and I keep it in a drafted email to send to my users when they insist our server is the problem because the recipient never has any other problems receiving mail except from us. Obviously this doesn't apply in your case this time because of the blacklist issue but I think it's a good thing to keep around so you can reply It's not us for those times when it really isn't your server with the issue. Official looking text that comes direct from MS like this usually shuts my users up faster than an actual explanation would. 4.4.7 Possible Cause: The message in the queue has expired. The sending server tried to relay or deliver the message but the action was not completed before the message expiration time occurred. This message can also indicate that a message header limit has been reached on a remote server or some other protocol timeout occurred while communicating with the remote server. Troubleshooting: This message usually indicates an issue on the receiving server. Check the validity of the recipient address, and determine if the receiving server is configured to receive messages correctly. It may be necessary to reduce the number of recipients in the header of the message for the host to which you are receiving this error. If you resend the message, it is placed in the queue again. If the receiving server is up, the message is delivered. -Original Message- From: Daniel L. Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:03 PM Posted To: dsm_lists Conversation: SMTP to aol.com Subject: RE: SMTP to aol.com And to the questions of the NDR - Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Testing Sent: 10/3/2002 10:25 AM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' on 10/3/2002 12:44 PM Could not deliver the message in the time limit specified. Please retry or contact your administrator. amserver.AMFESLAN.local #4.4.7 Daniel NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP to aol.com
I hate to be the bearer of bad news Bubba, but according to this query at SamSpade.org, you're still being blacklisted by the Fiveten list: http://www.samspade.org/t/rbl?a=WOH.RR.COM -Original Message- From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: SMTP to aol.com I feel your pain. I have been working for close to 6 months now to try to solve that problem. We have reverse DNS. You dont get a NDR; nothing, it just never gets there. If I telnet into their smtp server all goes okay but again the mail never shows up in the recipient's inbox and I have tried quite a few. I finally found a website that had us listed as a blackhole and got removed from it. I even talked to AOL (703-265-4670 - postmaster line) and they ran a check on my subnet against their database and it came up clean. So we are still looking for an answer. Believe me I would rather NOT send to AOL but we sell to the consumer and our customer service dept. gets emails everyday from a domain containing 12 million users -- aol.com. :( - Original Message - From: Daniel L. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:38 PM Subject: SMTP to aol.com What would cause my messages to AOL addresses to be rejected by AOL? I can send reliably to any other domain. Daniel _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SMTP to aol.com
This is my personal address. I guess I should have made clear I am the postmaster for jergens.com. I receive the list at my work address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) but cannot send from it as we attach a text file disclaimer a la Trend Micro so the list wont accept emails from that account. We are about to switch to Surf Control for SPAM and they can do an inline footer so I may not have to worry about it much after that. Thanks though! Chris - Original Message - From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:17 PM Subject: RE: SMTP to aol.com I hate to be the bearer of bad news Bubba, but according to this query at SamSpade.org, you're still being blacklisted by the Fiveten list: http://www.samspade.org/t/rbl?a=WOH.RR.COM -Original Message- From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: SMTP to aol.com I feel your pain. I have been working for close to 6 months now to try to solve that problem. We have reverse DNS. You dont get a NDR; nothing, it just never gets there. If I telnet into their smtp server all goes okay but again the mail never shows up in the recipient's inbox and I have tried quite a few. I finally found a website that had us listed as a blackhole and got removed from it. I even talked to AOL (703-265-4670 - postmaster line) and they ran a check on my subnet against their database and it came up clean. So we are still looking for an answer. Believe me I would rather NOT send to AOL but we sell to the consumer and our customer service dept. gets emails everyday from a domain containing 12 million users -- aol.com. :( - Original Message - From: Daniel L. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:38 PM Subject: SMTP to aol.com What would cause my messages to AOL addresses to be rejected by AOL? I can send reliably to any other domain. Daniel _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP to aol.com
You are blacklisted by several systems. Go to www.dnsstuff.com and check to see what lists you are on and what you can do. First thing, stop relaying. -Original Message- From: Daniel L. Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP to aol.com What would cause my messages to AOL addresses to be rejected by AOL? I can send reliably to any other domain. Daniel _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP to aol.com
Wow...I didn't know anyone ever got rejected by AOL. Without an NDR, it could one of several reasons: 1. You're sending to an address that is over it's quota. 2. You're sending to an address that has been disabled or deleted. 3. Your organization has been blacklisted by AOL and they are blocking all submissions from your domain. -Original Message- From: Daniel L. Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 10:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP to aol.com What would cause my messages to AOL addresses to be rejected by AOL? I can send reliably to any other domain. Daniel _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP to aol.com
rDNS? William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Daniel L. Miller Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 10:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP to aol.com What would cause my messages to AOL addresses to be rejected by AOL? I can send reliably to any other domain. Daniel _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SMTP to aol.com
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, at 10:38am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would cause my messages to AOL addresses to be rejected by AOL? Error message? -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP to aol.com
I finally can answer a question on this list :) AOL sucks! Seriously, the same thing happened here, and it turned out to be that were an open relay. Doug Kassay -Original Message- From: Daniel L. Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP to aol.com What would cause my messages to AOL addresses to be rejected by AOL? I can send reliably to any other domain. Daniel _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP to aol.com
A number of reasons: AOL frequently is down; AOL is being blocked at your IMC; message too large; attachment too large, etc. Geoff... -Original Message- From: Daniel L. Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP to aol.com What would cause my messages to AOL addresses to be rejected by AOL? I can send reliably to any other domain. Daniel _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP to aol.com
Please include a copy of the NDR. -Original Message- From: Daniel L. Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP to aol.com What would cause my messages to AOL addresses to be rejected by AOL? I can send reliably to any other domain. Daniel _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP to aol.com
Why don't you post the NDR and we will check out. -Original Message- From: Daniel L. Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 10:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP to aol.com What would cause my messages to AOL addresses to be rejected by AOL? I can send reliably to any other domain. Daniel _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP to aol.com
If you're talking about amfes.com, it's because you don't have any reverse DNS. You can reliably send to any other domain that does not require your server to be represented by a valid reverse-DNS lookup. Which will rule out Earthlink, too, among others. -Original Message- From: Daniel L. Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:38 PM Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List Conversation: SMTP to aol.com Subject: SMTP to aol.com What would cause my messages to AOL addresses to be rejected by AOL? I can send reliably to any other domain. Daniel _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SMTP to aol.com
Lots of reasons. What reason does the NDR give? - Original Message - From: Daniel L. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:38 PM Subject: SMTP to aol.com What would cause my messages to AOL addresses to be rejected by AOL? I can send reliably to any other domain. Daniel _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP to aol.com
'Cause AOL is so screwed up -Original Message- From: Daniel L. Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP to aol.com What would cause my messages to AOL addresses to be rejected by AOL? I can send reliably to any other domain. Daniel _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP to aol.com
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=amfes.com You are listed as an open relay also. -Original Message- From: Tom Meunier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP to aol.com If you're talking about amfes.com, it's because you don't have any reverse DNS. You can reliably send to any other domain that does not require your server to be represented by a valid reverse-DNS lookup. Which will rule out Earthlink, too, among others. -Original Message- From: Daniel L. Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:38 PM Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List Conversation: SMTP to aol.com Subject: SMTP to aol.com What would cause my messages to AOL addresses to be rejected by AOL? I can send reliably to any other domain. Daniel _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SMTP to aol.com
I feel your pain. I have been working for close to 6 months now to try to solve that problem. We have reverse DNS. You dont get a NDR; nothing, it just never gets there. If I telnet into their smtp server all goes okay but again the mail never shows up in the recipient's inbox and I have tried quite a few. I finally found a website that had us listed as a blackhole and got removed from it. I even talked to AOL (703-265-4670 - postmaster line) and they ran a check on my subnet against their database and it came up clean. So we are still looking for an answer. Believe me I would rather NOT send to AOL but we sell to the consumer and our customer service dept. gets emails everyday from a domain containing 12 million users -- aol.com. :( - Original Message - From: Daniel L. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:38 PM Subject: SMTP to aol.com What would cause my messages to AOL addresses to be rejected by AOL? I can send reliably to any other domain. Daniel _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SMTP to aol.com
REAL spammers have no trouble getting into AOL. Those who don't know any better (and who haven't paid their entrance fee) get blocked. - Original Message - From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:57 PM Subject: RE: SMTP to aol.com Wow...I didn't know anyone ever got rejected by AOL. Without an NDR, it could one of several reasons: 1. You're sending to an address that is over it's quota. 2. You're sending to an address that has been disabled or deleted. 3. Your organization has been blacklisted by AOL and they are blocking all submissions from your domain. -Original Message- From: Daniel L. Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 10:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP to aol.com What would cause my messages to AOL addresses to be rejected by AOL? I can send reliably to any other domain. Daniel _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP to aol.com
And to the questions of the NDR - Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Testing Sent: 10/3/2002 10:25 AM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' on 10/3/2002 12:44 PM Could not deliver the message in the time limit specified. Please retry or contact your administrator. amserver.AMFESLAN.local #4.4.7 Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: SMTP to aol.com Lots of reasons. What reason does the NDR give? - Original Message - From: Daniel L. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:38 PM Subject: SMTP to aol.com What would cause my messages to AOL addresses to be rejected by AOL? I can send reliably to any other domain. Daniel _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
