RE: Send on Behalf delegation not working outside of org

2003-05-27 Thread Chris Scharff
Sounds about right.. 'on behalf of' is really an Exchange-ism which
doesn't have a direct parallel per se in the relevant RFCs AFAIK.

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Posted At: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:28 PM
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Conversation: Send on Behalf delegation not working outside of org
Subject: Send on Behalf delegation not working outside of org


I have an interesting behavior we've noticed here. I'm wondering if this
is due to some glitch in our set-up, or if anyone else is experiencing
this as a more generalized behavior.

In this situation, we are running Exchange 2000. No server side send
as permissions have been granted; only delegate rights are being used.

User A sends on behalf of user B

Users in same org as A or B receive it as from User A on behalf of User
B Users in a connected org, or internet recipients receive it as User
B

In digging though the internet headers, the messages in the second
scenario show the From field populated with User B. and the Sender
field populated with User A.

Any thoughts on this one?

Thanks,
 Aaron


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RE: Send on Behalf delegation not working outside of org

2003-05-27 Thread Aaron Greer
OK, so given that I can see how it wouldn't work on when received by some other 
client. I'm just puzzled by why it wouldn't work when looking at the message in 
question using Outlook, on another Exchange org; or am I being naïve here?

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Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:17 PM
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Subject: RE: Send on Behalf delegation not working outside of org

Sounds about right.. 'on behalf of' is really an Exchange-ism which
doesn't have a direct parallel per se in the relevant RFCs AFAIK.



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RE: Send on behalf of

2003-02-28 Thread Martin Blackstone
You need to give them Send As permissions from Exch Admin 


-Original Message-
From: Mitchell Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:21 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

Good afternoon,

Outlook 98 Exchange 5.5 SP 4.0

I am setting up a mailbox that people will need to add to their folder list.
They will need to then reply from that mailbox.  I have set these people as
delegates to the new mailbox and granted them Editor permissions to all
folders.

When these people go to reply, they get you do not have permissions to send
on
behalf...

This doesn't work like I want to...  I do not want to make people co-owners
of the
mailbox as that is too much security..  What am I missing here?

Thanks.

Mike Mitchell
Systems email Administrator
Alverno Information Services
* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*:(317) 783-9341 EXT. 6211

 




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RE: Send on behalf of

2003-02-28 Thread Depp, Dennis M.
Send as permissions are not the same as send on behalf of.  

Dennis

 -Original Message-
 From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:28 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Send on behalf of
 
 
 You need to give them Send As permissions from Exch Admin 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mitchell Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:21 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 Good afternoon,
 
 Outlook 98 Exchange 5.5 SP 4.0
 
 I am setting up a mailbox that people will need to add to 
 their folder list. They will need to then reply from that 
 mailbox.  I have set these people as delegates to the new 
 mailbox and granted them Editor permissions to all folders.
 
 When these people go to reply, they get you do not have 
 permissions to send on behalf...
 
 This doesn't work like I want to...  I do not want to make 
 people co-owners of the mailbox as that is too much 
 security..  What am I missing here?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Mike Mitchell
 Systems email Administrator
 Alverno Information Services
 * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *:(317) 783-9341 EXT. 6211
 

 
 
 
 
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RE: Send on behalf of

2003-02-28 Thread Nikki Peterson
I don't think that this is true. Delegate permission is sufficient for
send as rights. (You don't even need to give them any specific
permissions, in fact you could give them none permissions on all
folders, and by virtue of their name being present in the Delegates
window they will be able to Send As that entity.)

Nikki

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:28 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Send on behalf of


You need to give them Send As permissions from Exch Admin 


-Original Message-
From: Mitchell Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:21 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

Good afternoon,

Outlook 98 Exchange 5.5 SP 4.0

I am setting up a mailbox that people will need to add to their folder
list.
They will need to then reply from that mailbox.  I have set these people
as
delegates to the new mailbox and granted them Editor permissions to all
folders.

When these people go to reply, they get you do not have permissions to
send
on
behalf...

This doesn't work like I want to...  I do not want to make people
co-owners
of the
mailbox as that is too much security..  What am I missing here?

Thanks.

Mike Mitchell
Systems email Administrator
Alverno Information Services
* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*:(317) 783-9341 EXT. 6211


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RE: Send on behalf of

2003-02-28 Thread Mitchell Mike
Martin,

How do you do that?

Thanks,

Mike

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:28 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Send on behalf of


You need to give them Send As permissions from Exch Admin 


-Original Message-
From: Mitchell Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:21 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

Good afternoon,

Outlook 98 Exchange 5.5 SP 4.0

I am setting up a mailbox that people will need to add to their folder list.
They will need to then reply from that mailbox.  I have set these people as
delegates to the new mailbox and granted them Editor permissions to all
folders.

When these people go to reply, they get you do not have permissions to send
on
behalf...

This doesn't work like I want to...  I do not want to make people co-owners
of the
mailbox as that is too much security..  What am I missing here?

Thanks.

Mike Mitchell
Systems email Administrator
Alverno Information Services
* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*:(317) 783-9341 EXT. 6211

 




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RE: Send on behalf of

2003-02-28 Thread Mitchell Mike
Dennis...  Please explain your statement.  Thanks...

-Original Message-
From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:44 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Send on behalf of


Send as permissions are not the same as send on behalf of.  

Dennis

 -Original Message-
 From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:28 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Send on behalf of
 
 
 You need to give them Send As permissions from Exch Admin 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mitchell Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:21 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 Good afternoon,
 
 Outlook 98 Exchange 5.5 SP 4.0
 
 I am setting up a mailbox that people will need to add to 
 their folder list. They will need to then reply from that 
 mailbox.  I have set these people as delegates to the new 
 mailbox and granted them Editor permissions to all folders.
 
 When these people go to reply, they get you do not have 
 permissions to send on behalf...
 
 This doesn't work like I want to...  I do not want to make 
 people co-owners of the mailbox as that is too much 
 security..  What am I missing here?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Mike Mitchell
 Systems email Administrator
 Alverno Information Services
 * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *:(317) 783-9341 EXT. 6211
 

 
 
 
 
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Re: Send on behalf of

2003-02-28 Thread Chris Scharff
The phrasing of the question and terms used based on the question as asked
are ambiguous. Delegate permissions is sufficient for 'send on behalf of'
rights, if that checkbox is marked. Send As permissions are another set of
permissions and can only be granted via the Exchange admin.

On 2/28/03 11:46, Nikki Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I don't think that this is true. Delegate permission is sufficient for 
send as rights. (You don't even need to give them any specific 
permissions, in fact you could give them none permissions on all 
folders, and by virtue of their name being present in the Delegates 
window they will be able to Send As that entity.) 

Nikki 

-Original Message- 
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:28 AM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: RE: Send on behalf of 


You need to give them Send As permissions from Exch Admin 


-Original Message- 
From: Mitchell Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:21 AM 
To: Exchange Discussions 

Good afternoon, 

Outlook 98 Exchange 5.5 SP 4.0 

I am setting up a mailbox that people will need to add to their folder 
list. 
They will need to then reply from that mailbox.  I have set these people 
as 
delegates to the new mailbox and granted them Editor permissions to all 
folders. 

When these people go to reply, they get you do not have permissions to 
send 
on 
behalf... 

This doesn't work like I want to...  I do not want to make people 
co-owners 
of the 
mailbox as that is too much security..  What am I missing here? 

Thanks. 

Mike Mitchell 
Systems email Administrator 
Alverno Information Services 
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
*:(317) 783-9341 EXT. 6211 


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RE: Send on behalf of

2003-02-28 Thread Depp, Dennis M.
When I use Send As, the message looks like it came from the sender.
When I open the message, it still looks like it came from the sender.
When I use send on behalf of, in my inbox, the message looks like it
came from the person I have send on behalf of permission.  When I open
the message it will say something like 

From:  Dennis Depp (on behalf of Terry Depp)

Dennis

 -Original Message-
 From: Mitchell Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:50 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Send on behalf of
 
 
 Dennis...  Please explain your statement.  Thanks...
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:44 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Send on behalf of
 
 
 Send as permissions are not the same as send on behalf of.  
 
 Dennis
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:28 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Send on behalf of
  
  
  You need to give them Send As permissions from Exch Admin
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Mitchell Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:21 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  
  Good afternoon,
  
  Outlook 98 Exchange 5.5 SP 4.0
  
  I am setting up a mailbox that people will need to add to
  their folder list. They will need to then reply from that 
  mailbox.  I have set these people as delegates to the new 
  mailbox and granted them Editor permissions to all folders.
  
  When these people go to reply, they get you do not have
  permissions to send on behalf...
  
  This doesn't work like I want to...  I do not want to make
  people co-owners of the mailbox as that is too much 
  security..  What am I missing here?
  
  Thanks.
  
  Mike Mitchell
  Systems email Administrator
  Alverno Information Services
  * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  *:(317) 783-9341 EXT. 6211
  
   
  
  
  
  
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RE: Send on behalf of

2003-02-28 Thread Mitchell Mike
Here is what I did...  What did I do wrong?

I have a Help Desk mailbox. I created a distribution list called AIS HELP
DESK.
I added AIS HELP DESK as a delegate to HELP DESK mailbox. The on behalf
shows
up on the delivery options tab of the Help Desk mailbox.


I think I did everything right, but...  It doesn't work..

-Original Message-
From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:56 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Send on behalf of


When I use Send As, the message looks like it came from the sender.
When I open the message, it still looks like it came from the sender.
When I use send on behalf of, in my inbox, the message looks like it
came from the person I have send on behalf of permission.  When I open
the message it will say something like 

From:  Dennis Depp (on behalf of Terry Depp)

Dennis

 -Original Message-
 From: Mitchell Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:50 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Send on behalf of
 
 
 Dennis...  Please explain your statement.  Thanks...
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:44 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Send on behalf of
 
 
 Send as permissions are not the same as send on behalf of.  
 
 Dennis
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:28 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Send on behalf of
  
  
  You need to give them Send As permissions from Exch Admin
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Mitchell Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:21 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  
  Good afternoon,
  
  Outlook 98 Exchange 5.5 SP 4.0
  
  I am setting up a mailbox that people will need to add to
  their folder list. They will need to then reply from that 
  mailbox.  I have set these people as delegates to the new 
  mailbox and granted them Editor permissions to all folders.
  
  When these people go to reply, they get you do not have
  permissions to send on behalf...
  
  This doesn't work like I want to...  I do not want to make
  people co-owners of the mailbox as that is too much 
  security..  What am I missing here?
  
  Thanks.
  
  Mike Mitchell
  Systems email Administrator
  Alverno Information Services
  * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  *:(317) 783-9341 EXT. 6211
  
   
  
  
  
  
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RE: Send on behalf of

2003-02-28 Thread Durkee, Peter
I'd never noticed before that making someone a delegate puts their name in the 
Exchange Admin delivery options screen. However, if that's how it gives the delegate 
send on behalf of rights, then maybe it's subject to the standard Exchange Admin two 
hour delay.

-Peter


-Original Message-
From: Mitchell Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:12
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Send on behalf of


Here is what I did...  What did I do wrong?

I have a Help Desk mailbox. I created a distribution list called AIS HELP
DESK.
I added AIS HELP DESK as a delegate to HELP DESK mailbox. The on behalf
shows
up on the delivery options tab of the Help Desk mailbox.


I think I did everything right, but...  It doesn't work..

-Original Message-
From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:56 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Send on behalf of


When I use Send As, the message looks like it came from the sender.
When I open the message, it still looks like it came from the sender.
When I use send on behalf of, in my inbox, the message looks like it
came from the person I have send on behalf of permission.  When I open
the message it will say something like 

From:  Dennis Depp (on behalf of Terry Depp)

Dennis

 -Original Message-
 From: Mitchell Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:50 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Send on behalf of
 
 
 Dennis...  Please explain your statement.  Thanks...
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:44 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Send on behalf of
 
 
 Send as permissions are not the same as send on behalf of.  
 
 Dennis
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:28 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Send on behalf of
  
  
  You need to give them Send As permissions from Exch Admin
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Mitchell Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:21 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  
  Good afternoon,
  
  Outlook 98 Exchange 5.5 SP 4.0
  
  I am setting up a mailbox that people will need to add to
  their folder list. They will need to then reply from that 
  mailbox.  I have set these people as delegates to the new 
  mailbox and granted them Editor permissions to all folders.
  
  When these people go to reply, they get you do not have
  permissions to send on behalf...
  
  This doesn't work like I want to...  I do not want to make
  people co-owners of the mailbox as that is too much 
  security..  What am I missing here?
  
  Thanks.
  
  Mike Mitchell
  Systems email Administrator
  Alverno Information Services
  * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  *:(317) 783-9341 EXT. 6211
  
   
  
  
  
  
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RE: Send on Behalf vs Send as

2001-12-13 Thread Hurst, Paul

It will send as that person (not on behalf) as the NT permission will
override (been there, got the tee shirt).

Cheers

Paul

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but no one wants to use yours



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Subject: Send on Behalf vs Send as


If someone has both send on behalf and send as and they send a message as
the person they have these rights for, what will it do and why?
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RE: Send on Behalf vs Send as

2001-12-13 Thread Chris Scharff

How about testing it and letting us know the results of your testing?

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RE: Send on Behalf vs Send as

2001-12-13 Thread Bevilacqua.Steve

Looks like send as rules...kinda goes against the standard of most
restrictive from a ntfs/share perspective...

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Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:36 AM
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How about testing it and letting us know the results of your testing?

Chris
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