RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...

2001-12-04 Thread Randal, Phil

What Antivirus software is running on the exchange servers?

Is http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q264/7/31.ASP
relevant?

Phil

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Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK 

 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 04 December 2001 14:33
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 ~ndi
 
 EX5.5 sp4 - 1 site, 11 servers - all attached via leased 
 lines.  Clients are
 all O2K on NT4 sp6a - identical builds.
 
 Random users at different sites complain of the inability to open
 attachments, getting a failure because of a lack of permissions.  The
 not-so-helpful help message suggests saving the attachment 
 first which of
 course does not work... because of a lack of permissions.  Other users
 equivalent to the affected user who also receive a copy of 
 the message can
 open it OK therefore because of single-instance messaging I 
 can discount a
 corrupted file issue.   Having the affected user send me the 
 message, I can
 open it fine.  
 
 The only resolution so far is to eventually trash their NT 
 profile - once
 recreated the problem goes away.  This is obviously not the 
 best way to do
 it.
 
 I have done the usual searches of the archives, MS support 
 and even some
 anti-virus sites and the web in general but no joy.  Any 
 ideas or pointers
 would be most appreciated.
 
 Regards,
 
 Paul W. Bouzan.
 Network Manager.
 Millfield Group plc.
 T 020 8680 5200
 F 020 8680 5900
 M 07940 583525
 
 
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RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...

2001-12-04 Thread Paul Bouzan

The only exchange server in the site running Groupshield is a site that is
currently unaffected!  The affected sites do not have an Exchange AV scanner
- only Netshield scanning traffic in and out of the server (excluding the IS
of course!).

The techdoc was of interest but not entirely relevant, I shall read it
though for reference, thanks.

PBB
~ndi

-Original Message-
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 04 December 2001 14:43
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...


What Antivirus software is running on the exchange servers?

Is http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q264/7/31.ASP
relevant?

Phil

-
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Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK 

 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 04 December 2001 14:33
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 ~ndi
 
 EX5.5 sp4 - 1 site, 11 servers - all attached via leased
 lines.  Clients are
 all O2K on NT4 sp6a - identical builds.
 
 Random users at different sites complain of the inability to open 
 attachments, getting a failure because of a lack of permissions.  The 
 not-so-helpful help message suggests saving the attachment first which 
 of course does not work... because of a lack of permissions.  Other 
 users equivalent to the affected user who also receive a copy of
 the message can
 open it OK therefore because of single-instance messaging I 
 can discount a
 corrupted file issue.   Having the affected user send me the 
 message, I can
 open it fine.  
 
 The only resolution so far is to eventually trash their NT
 profile - once
 recreated the problem goes away.  This is obviously not the 
 best way to do
 it.
 
 I have done the usual searches of the archives, MS support
 and even some
 anti-virus sites and the web in general but no joy.  Any 
 ideas or pointers
 would be most appreciated.
 
 Regards,
 
 Paul W. Bouzan.
 Network Manager.
 Millfield Group plc.
 T 020 8680 5200
 F 020 8680 5900
 M 07940 583525
 
 
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RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...

2001-12-04 Thread Paul Bouzan

Very very close except there is no TS in the mix.  I did come across this
and even tried the reg hack to see if it worked... but no, sadly.  Thanks
anyway...

PBB


-Original Message-
From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 04 December 2001 14:36
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...


http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q268/7/44.ASP

Try this.

Regards

Mr Louis Joyce
Computer Support Analyst
Network Administrator
BT Ignite eSolutions




-Original Message-
From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 04 December 2001 14:33
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Spurious attachment permissions issue...


~ndi

EX5.5 sp4 - 1 site, 11 servers - all attached via leased lines.  Clients are
all O2K on NT4 sp6a - identical builds.

Random users at different sites complain of the inability to open
attachments, getting a failure because of a lack of permissions.  The
not-so-helpful help message suggests saving the attachment first which of
course does not work... because of a lack of permissions.  Other users
equivalent to the affected user who also receive a copy of the message can
open it OK therefore because of single-instance messaging I can discount a
corrupted file issue.   Having the affected user send me the message, I can
open it fine.  

The only resolution so far is to eventually trash their NT profile - once
recreated the problem goes away.  This is obviously not the best way to do
it.

I have done the usual searches of the archives, MS support and even some
anti-virus sites and the web in general but no joy.  Any ideas or pointers
would be most appreciated.

Regards,

Paul W. Bouzan.
Network Manager.
Millfield Group plc.
T 020 8680 5200
F 020 8680 5900
M 07940 583525


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RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...

2001-12-04 Thread Paul Bouzan

Now, that is interesting because I prevent the Temporary Internet Files
folder from roaming with the profile as many of my users tend to build up
rather large profiles with their internet activity... Arrgh! - It's all my
fault!!

Thanks Louis!

PBB




-Original Message-
From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 04 December 2001 15:17
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...


The way i do it when i have the problem is to just simply make sure they
have a Temporary Internet Folder in their roaming profile. I dont do any of
the registry editing or anything. Make sure they are logged out first.

Regards

Mr Louis Joyce
Computer Support Analyst
Network Administrator
BT Ignite eSolutions




-Original Message-
From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 04 December 2001 14:53
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...


Very very close except there is no TS in the mix.  I did come across this
and even tried the reg hack to see if it worked... but no, sadly.  Thanks
anyway...

PBB


-Original Message-
From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 04 December 2001 14:36
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...


http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q268/7/44.ASP

Try this.

Regards

Mr Louis Joyce
Computer Support Analyst
Network Administrator
BT Ignite eSolutions




-Original Message-
From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 04 December 2001 14:33
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Spurious attachment permissions issue...


~ndi

EX5.5 sp4 - 1 site, 11 servers - all attached via leased lines.  Clients are
all O2K on NT4 sp6a - identical builds.

Random users at different sites complain of the inability to open
attachments, getting a failure because of a lack of permissions.  The
not-so-helpful help message suggests saving the attachment first which of
course does not work... because of a lack of permissions.  Other users
equivalent to the affected user who also receive a copy of the message can
open it OK therefore because of single-instance messaging I can discount a
corrupted file issue.   Having the affected user send me the message, I can
open it fine.  

The only resolution so far is to eventually trash their NT profile - once
recreated the problem goes away.  This is obviously not the best way to do
it.

I have done the usual searches of the archives, MS support and even some
anti-virus sites and the web in general but no joy.  Any ideas or pointers
would be most appreciated.

Regards,

Paul W. Bouzan.
Network Manager.
Millfield Group plc.
T 020 8680 5200
F 020 8680 5900
M 07940 583525


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RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...

2001-12-04 Thread Randal, Phil

Out of curiosity, does anyone know why Microsoft in their
infinite wisdom decided to make Temporary Internet Files
a property of the user (i.e. in their profile) as against
just one directory per PC?

The case of diskless workstations is a trivial one, so we
can ignore that and look for deeper meanings :-)

Phil

-
Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK 

 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 04 December 2001 15:31
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 Now, that is interesting because I prevent the Temporary 
 Internet Files
 folder from roaming with the profile as many of my users tend 
 to build up
 rather large profiles with their internet activity... Arrgh! 
 - It's all my
 fault!!
 
 Thanks Louis!
 
 PBB
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: 04 December 2001 15:17
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 The way i do it when i have the problem is to just simply 
 make sure they
 have a Temporary Internet Folder in their roaming profile. I 
 dont do any of
 the registry editing or anything. Make sure they are logged out first.
 
 Regards
 
 Mr Louis Joyce
 Computer Support Analyst
 Network Administrator
 BT Ignite eSolutions
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 04 December 2001 14:53
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 Very very close except there is no TS in the mix.  I did come 
 across this
 and even tried the reg hack to see if it worked... but no, 
 sadly.  Thanks
 anyway...
 
 PBB
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: 04 December 2001 14:36
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q268/7/44.ASP
 
 Try this.
 
 Regards
 
 Mr Louis Joyce
 Computer Support Analyst
 Network Administrator
 BT Ignite eSolutions
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 04 December 2001 14:33
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 ~ndi
 
 EX5.5 sp4 - 1 site, 11 servers - all attached via leased 
 lines.  Clients are
 all O2K on NT4 sp6a - identical builds.
 
 Random users at different sites complain of the inability to open
 attachments, getting a failure because of a lack of permissions.  The
 not-so-helpful help message suggests saving the attachment 
 first which of
 course does not work... because of a lack of permissions.  Other users
 equivalent to the affected user who also receive a copy of 
 the message can
 open it OK therefore because of single-instance messaging I 
 can discount a
 corrupted file issue.   Having the affected user send me the 
 message, I can
 open it fine.  
 
 The only resolution so far is to eventually trash their NT 
 profile - once
 recreated the problem goes away.  This is obviously not the 
 best way to do
 it.
 
 I have done the usual searches of the archives, MS support 
 and even some
 anti-virus sites and the web in general but no joy.  Any 
 ideas or pointers
 would be most appreciated.
 
 Regards,
 
 Paul W. Bouzan.
 Network Manager.
 Millfield Group plc.
 T 020 8680 5200
 F 020 8680 5900
 M 07940 583525
 
 
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RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...

2001-12-04 Thread Kevin Miller

Roaming profiles.. Cookies.. To name a few... Their wisdom is so
infinite they are thinking of features that you might never need, but if
you do, they are there...

--
Kevinm M WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, CKWSE CKST


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Randal, Phil
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 7:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...


Out of curiosity, does anyone know why Microsoft in their infinite
wisdom decided to make Temporary Internet Files a property of the user
(i.e. in their profile) as against just one directory per PC?

The case of diskless workstations is a trivial one, so we
can ignore that and look for deeper meanings :-)

Phil

-
Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK 

 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 04 December 2001 15:31
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 Now, that is interesting because I prevent the Temporary
 Internet Files
 folder from roaming with the profile as many of my users tend 
 to build up
 rather large profiles with their internet activity... Arrgh! 
 - It's all my
 fault!!
 
 Thanks Louis!
 
 PBB
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 04 December 2001 15:17
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 The way i do it when i have the problem is to just simply
 make sure they
 have a Temporary Internet Folder in their roaming profile. I 
 dont do any of
 the registry editing or anything. Make sure they are logged out first.
 
 Regards
 
 Mr Louis Joyce
 Computer Support Analyst
 Network Administrator
 BT Ignite eSolutions
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 04 December 2001 14:53
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 Very very close except there is no TS in the mix.  I did come
 across this
 and even tried the reg hack to see if it worked... but no, 
 sadly.  Thanks
 anyway...
 
 PBB
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 04 December 2001 14:36
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q268/7/44.ASP
 
 Try this.
 
 Regards
 
 Mr Louis Joyce
 Computer Support Analyst
 Network Administrator
 BT Ignite eSolutions
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 04 December 2001 14:33
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 ~ndi
 
 EX5.5 sp4 - 1 site, 11 servers - all attached via leased
 lines.  Clients are
 all O2K on NT4 sp6a - identical builds.
 
 Random users at different sites complain of the inability to open 
 attachments, getting a failure because of a lack of permissions.  The 
 not-so-helpful help message suggests saving the attachment first which

 of course does not work... because of a lack of permissions.  Other 
 users equivalent to the affected user who also receive a copy of
 the message can
 open it OK therefore because of single-instance messaging I 
 can discount a
 corrupted file issue.   Having the affected user send me the 
 message, I can
 open it fine.  
 
 The only resolution so far is to eventually trash their NT
 profile - once
 recreated the problem goes away.  This is obviously not the 
 best way to do
 it.
 
 I have done the usual searches of the archives, MS support
 and even some
 anti-virus sites and the web in general but no joy.  Any 
 ideas or pointers
 would be most appreciated.
 
 Regards,
 
 Paul W. Bouzan.
 Network Manager.
 Millfield Group plc.
 T 020 8680 5200
 F 020 8680 5900
 M 07940 583525
 
 
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RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...

2001-12-04 Thread Randal, Phil

Cookies, yes, but cached web pages???

-
Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK 

 -Original Message-
 From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 04 December 2001 15:40
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 Roaming profiles.. Cookies.. To name a few... Their wisdom is so
 infinite they are thinking of features that you might never 
 need, but if
 you do, they are there...
 
 --
 Kevinm M WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, CKWSE CKST
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Randal, Phil
 Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 7:42 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 Out of curiosity, does anyone know why Microsoft in their infinite
 wisdom decided to make Temporary Internet Files a property of the user
 (i.e. in their profile) as against just one directory per PC?
 
 The case of diskless workstations is a trivial one, so we
 can ignore that and look for deeper meanings :-)
 
 Phil
 
 -
 Phil Randal
 Network Engineer
 Herefordshire Council
 Hereford, UK 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 04 December 2001 15:31
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
  
  
  Now, that is interesting because I prevent the Temporary
  Internet Files
  folder from roaming with the profile as many of my users tend 
  to build up
  rather large profiles with their internet activity... Arrgh! 
  - It's all my
  fault!!
  
  Thanks Louis!
  
  PBB
  
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 04 December 2001 15:17
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
  
  
  The way i do it when i have the problem is to just simply
  make sure they
  have a Temporary Internet Folder in their roaming profile. I 
  dont do any of
  the registry editing or anything. Make sure they are logged 
 out first.
  
  Regards
  
  Mr Louis Joyce
  Computer Support Analyst
  Network Administrator
  BT Ignite eSolutions
  
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 04 December 2001 14:53
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
  
  
  Very very close except there is no TS in the mix.  I did come
  across this
  and even tried the reg hack to see if it worked... but no, 
  sadly.  Thanks
  anyway...
  
  PBB
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 04 December 2001 14:36
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
  
  
  http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q268/7/44.ASP
  
  Try this.
  
  Regards
  
  Mr Louis Joyce
  Computer Support Analyst
  Network Administrator
  BT Ignite eSolutions
  
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 04 December 2001 14:33
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
  
  
  ~ndi
  
  EX5.5 sp4 - 1 site, 11 servers - all attached via leased
  lines.  Clients are
  all O2K on NT4 sp6a - identical builds.
  
  Random users at different sites complain of the inability to open 
  attachments, getting a failure because of a lack of 
 permissions.  The 
  not-so-helpful help message suggests saving the attachment 
 first which
 
  of course does not work... because of a lack of permissions.  Other 
  users equivalent to the affected user who also receive a copy of
  the message can
  open it OK therefore because of single-instance messaging I 
  can discount a
  corrupted file issue.   Having the affected user send me the 
  message, I can
  open it fine.  
  
  The only resolution so far is to eventually trash their NT
  profile - once
  recreated the problem goes away.  This is obviously not the 
  best way to do
  it.
  
  I have done the usual searches of the archives, MS support
  and even some
  anti-virus sites and the web in general but no joy.  Any 
  ideas or pointers
  would be most appreciated.
  
  Regards,
  
  Paul W. Bouzan.
  Network Manager.
  Millfield Group plc.
  T 020 8680 5200
  F 020 8680 5900
  M 07940 583525
  
  
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RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...

2001-12-04 Thread Robert Moir

 -Original Message-
 From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: 04 December 2001 15:42
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 Out of curiosity, does anyone know why Microsoft in their 
 infinite wisdom decided to make Temporary Internet Files a 
 property of the user (i.e. in their profile) as against just 
 one directory per PC?
 
 The case of diskless workstations is a trivial one, so we
 can ignore that and look for deeper meanings :-)
 

Because users are more likely to visit the pages they were viewing more than
once than they are to access pages some other user was viewing, therefore it
makes some sense to cache per user. Not to mention cookies, offline viewing
of pages in history, and suchlike.

-- 
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Luton Sixth Form College
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RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...

2001-12-04 Thread Randal, Phil

Given the negative side effects of this (huge amounts of
disk space on servers wasted, for one, excessive network
traffic, etc), it's just anoither reason not to use such
software :-)

Phil 

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 -Original Message-
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 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
  -Original Message-
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  Sent: 04 December 2001 15:42
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
  
  
  Out of curiosity, does anyone know why Microsoft in their 
  infinite wisdom decided to make Temporary Internet Files a 
  property of the user (i.e. in their profile) as against just 
  one directory per PC?
  
  The case of diskless workstations is a trivial one, so we
  can ignore that and look for deeper meanings :-)
  
 
 Because users are more likely to visit the pages they were 
 viewing more than
 once than they are to access pages some other user was 
 viewing, therefore it
 makes some sense to cache per user. Not to mention cookies, 
 offline viewing
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RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...

2001-12-04 Thread Robert Moir


 
 Given the negative side effects of this (huge amounts of
 disk space on servers wasted, for one, excessive network 
 traffic, etc), it's just anoither reason not to use such software :-)
 

Or maybe just to set it up correctly. We don't generally have too many
problems here with roaming profiles getting too large because of temporary
internet files. And some of our students are extremely heavy users of the
internet *cough*

Don't matter what software you use, if you set it up wrongly.

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Luton Sixth Form College
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RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...

2001-12-04 Thread Kevin Miller

So all you really wanted to do was complain?

Disk space is very cheap, I for one would much rather have speed then
disk space...

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Given the negative side effects of this (huge amounts of
disk space on servers wasted, for one, excessive network traffic, etc),
it's just anoither reason not to use such software :-)

Phil 

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 -Original Message-
 From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
  -Original Message-
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  Sent: 04 December 2001 15:42
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
  
  
  Out of curiosity, does anyone know why Microsoft in their
  infinite wisdom decided to make Temporary Internet Files a 
  property of the user (i.e. in their profile) as against just 
  one directory per PC?
  
  The case of diskless workstations is a trivial one, so we can ignore

  that and look for deeper meanings :-)
  
 
 Because users are more likely to visit the pages they were
 viewing more than
 once than they are to access pages some other user was 
 viewing, therefore it
 makes some sense to cache per user. Not to mention cookies, 
 offline viewing
 of pages in history, and suchlike.
 
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RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...

2001-12-04 Thread Randal, Phil

With roaming profiles on a server, and thousands of users...

Plain crazy..  (No, not me...)

Phil

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 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 So all you really wanted to do was complain?
 
 Disk space is very cheap, I for one would much rather have speed then
 disk space...
 
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 Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 7:53 AM
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 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 Given the negative side effects of this (huge amounts of
 disk space on servers wasted, for one, excessive network 
 traffic, etc),
 it's just anoither reason not to use such software :-)
 
 Phil 
 
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 Network Engineer
 Herefordshire Council
 Hereford, UK 
 
  -Original Message-
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  Sent: 04 December 2001 15:43
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
  
  
   -Original Message-
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   Sent: 04 December 2001 15:42
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
   
   
   Out of curiosity, does anyone know why Microsoft in their
   infinite wisdom decided to make Temporary Internet Files a 
   property of the user (i.e. in their profile) as against just 
   one directory per PC?
   
   The case of diskless workstations is a trivial one, so we 
 can ignore
 
   that and look for deeper meanings :-)
   
  
  Because users are more likely to visit the pages they were
  viewing more than
  once than they are to access pages some other user was 
  viewing, therefore it
  makes some sense to cache per user. Not to mention cookies, 
  offline viewing
  of pages in history, and suchlike.
  
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  IT Systems Engineer, 
  Luton Sixth Form College
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RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...

2001-12-04 Thread Paul Bouzan

~ndi

Well, I'm happy someone else brought the subject up as I was going to slyly
ask if anyone had a means of 'controlling' the amount of cached/temporary
internet data so that my roaming profiles didn't take hours to load.  I know
there is a limit profile size in Profile editor and the setting can be
manually adjusted in IE properties but how can I do it en-masse?

I would then be able to allow the folder to roam and cure my predicament!!

PBB


-Original Message-
From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 04 December 2001 15:51
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...



 
 Given the negative side effects of this (huge amounts of
 disk space on servers wasted, for one, excessive network
 traffic, etc), it's just anoither reason not to use such software :-)
 

Or maybe just to set it up correctly. We don't generally have too many
problems here with roaming profiles getting too large because of temporary
internet files. And some of our students are extremely heavy users of the
internet *cough*

Don't matter what software you use, if you set it up wrongly.

-- 
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IT Systems Engineer, 
Luton Sixth Form College
Rome did not create a mighty empire by having management meetings

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RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...

2001-12-04 Thread Robert Moir

Setting cache to  a small size so it stays fresh and gets purged after just
a short length of time works for us.

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Luton Sixth Form College
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 -Original Message-
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 Sent: 04 December 2001 16:01
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 ~ndi
 
 Well, I'm happy someone else brought the subject up as I was 
 going to slyly ask if anyone had a means of 'controlling' the 
 amount of cached/temporary internet data so that my roaming 
 profiles didn't take hours to load.  I know there is a limit 
 profile size in Profile editor and the setting can be 
 manually adjusted in IE properties but how can I do it en-masse?
 
 I would then be able to allow the folder to roam and cure my 
 predicament!!
 
 PBB
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: 04 December 2001 15:51
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 
  
  Given the negative side effects of this (huge amounts of
  disk space on servers wasted, for one, excessive network traffic, 
  etc), it's just anoither reason not to use such software :-)
  
 
 Or maybe just to set it up correctly. We don't generally have 
 too many problems here with roaming profiles getting too 
 large because of temporary internet files. And some of our 
 students are extremely heavy users of the internet *cough*
 
 Don't matter what software you use, if you set it up wrongly.
 
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 Luton Sixth Form College
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RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...

2001-12-04 Thread Paul Bouzan

Sorry Robert, being a complete thicky here - on the workstation I assume?

PBB


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Sent: 04 December 2001 16:07
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...


Setting cache to  a small size so it stays fresh and gets purged after just
a short length of time works for us.

-- 
Robert Moir,
IT Systems Engineer, 
Luton Sixth Form College
Rome did not create a mighty empire by having management meetings

 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 04 December 2001 16:01
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 ~ndi
 
 Well, I'm happy someone else brought the subject up as I was
 going to slyly ask if anyone had a means of 'controlling' the 
 amount of cached/temporary internet data so that my roaming 
 profiles didn't take hours to load.  I know there is a limit 
 profile size in Profile editor and the setting can be 
 manually adjusted in IE properties but how can I do it en-masse?
 
 I would then be able to allow the folder to roam and cure my
 predicament!!
 
 PBB
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 04 December 2001 15:51
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 
  
  Given the negative side effects of this (huge amounts of disk space 
  on servers wasted, for one, excessive network traffic, etc), it's 
  just anoither reason not to use such software :-)
  
 
 Or maybe just to set it up correctly. We don't generally have
 too many problems here with roaming profiles getting too 
 large because of temporary internet files. And some of our 
 students are extremely heavy users of the internet *cough*
 
 Don't matter what software you use, if you set it up wrongly.
 
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 Luton Sixth Form College
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RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...

2001-12-04 Thread Roger Seielstad

Um, security?

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 -Original Message-
 From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:42 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 Out of curiosity, does anyone know why Microsoft in their
 infinite wisdom decided to make Temporary Internet Files
 a property of the user (i.e. in their profile) as against
 just one directory per PC?
 
 The case of diskless workstations is a trivial one, so we
 can ignore that and look for deeper meanings :-)
 
 Phil
 
 -
 Phil Randal
 Network Engineer
 Herefordshire Council
 Hereford, UK 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 04 December 2001 15:31
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
  
  
  Now, that is interesting because I prevent the Temporary 
  Internet Files
  folder from roaming with the profile as many of my users tend 
  to build up
  rather large profiles with their internet activity... Arrgh! 
  - It's all my
  fault!!
  
  Thanks Louis!
  
  PBB
  
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: 04 December 2001 15:17
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
  
  
  The way i do it when i have the problem is to just simply 
  make sure they
  have a Temporary Internet Folder in their roaming profile. I 
  dont do any of
  the registry editing or anything. Make sure they are logged 
 out first.
  
  Regards
  
  Mr Louis Joyce
  Computer Support Analyst
  Network Administrator
  BT Ignite eSolutions
  
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 04 December 2001 14:53
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
  
  
  Very very close except there is no TS in the mix.  I did come 
  across this
  and even tried the reg hack to see if it worked... but no, 
  sadly.  Thanks
  anyway...
  
  PBB
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: 04 December 2001 14:36
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
  
  
  http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q268/7/44.ASP
  
  Try this.
  
  Regards
  
  Mr Louis Joyce
  Computer Support Analyst
  Network Administrator
  BT Ignite eSolutions
  
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 04 December 2001 14:33
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
  
  
  ~ndi
  
  EX5.5 sp4 - 1 site, 11 servers - all attached via leased 
  lines.  Clients are
  all O2K on NT4 sp6a - identical builds.
  
  Random users at different sites complain of the inability to open
  attachments, getting a failure because of a lack of 
 permissions.  The
  not-so-helpful help message suggests saving the attachment 
  first which of
  course does not work... because of a lack of permissions.  
 Other users
  equivalent to the affected user who also receive a copy of 
  the message can
  open it OK therefore because of single-instance messaging I 
  can discount a
  corrupted file issue.   Having the affected user send me the 
  message, I can
  open it fine.  
  
  The only resolution so far is to eventually trash their NT 
  profile - once
  recreated the problem goes away.  This is obviously not the 
  best way to do
  it.
  
  I have done the usual searches of the archives, MS support 
  and even some
  anti-virus sites and the web in general but no joy.  Any 
  ideas or pointers
  would be most appreciated.
  
  Regards,
  
  Paul W. Bouzan.
  Network Manager.
  Millfield Group plc.
  T 020 8680 5200
  F 020 8680 5900
  M 07940 583525
  
  
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RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...

2001-12-04 Thread Randal, Phil

Well, as they're using Internet Exploder security has already gone out the
window(s TM).  :-)

Phil

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Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK 

 -Original Message-
 From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 04 December 2001 16:10
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 Um, security?
 
 --
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 Senior Systems Administrator
 Peregrine Systems
 Atlanta, GA
 http://www.peregrine.com
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:42 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
  
  
  Out of curiosity, does anyone know why Microsoft in their
  infinite wisdom decided to make Temporary Internet Files
  a property of the user (i.e. in their profile) as against
  just one directory per PC?
  
  The case of diskless workstations is a trivial one, so we
  can ignore that and look for deeper meanings :-)
  
  Phil
  
  -
  Phil Randal
  Network Engineer
  Herefordshire Council
  Hereford, UK 
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: 04 December 2001 15:31
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
   
   
   Now, that is interesting because I prevent the Temporary 
   Internet Files
   folder from roaming with the profile as many of my users tend 
   to build up
   rather large profiles with their internet activity... Arrgh! 
   - It's all my
   fault!!
   
   Thanks Louis!
   
   PBB
   
   
   
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
   Sent: 04 December 2001 15:17
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
   
   
   The way i do it when i have the problem is to just simply 
   make sure they
   have a Temporary Internet Folder in their roaming profile. I 
   dont do any of
   the registry editing or anything. Make sure they are logged 
  out first.
   
   Regards
   
   Mr Louis Joyce
   Computer Support Analyst
   Network Administrator
   BT Ignite eSolutions
   
   
   
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: 04 December 2001 14:53
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
   
   
   Very very close except there is no TS in the mix.  I did come 
   across this
   and even tried the reg hack to see if it worked... but no, 
   sadly.  Thanks
   anyway...
   
   PBB
   
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
   Sent: 04 December 2001 14:36
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
   
   
   http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q268/7/44.ASP
   
   Try this.
   
   Regards
   
   Mr Louis Joyce
   Computer Support Analyst
   Network Administrator
   BT Ignite eSolutions
   
   
   
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: 04 December 2001 14:33
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
   
   
   ~ndi
   
   EX5.5 sp4 - 1 site, 11 servers - all attached via leased 
   lines.  Clients are
   all O2K on NT4 sp6a - identical builds.
   
   Random users at different sites complain of the inability to open
   attachments, getting a failure because of a lack of 
  permissions.  The
   not-so-helpful help message suggests saving the attachment 
   first which of
   course does not work... because of a lack of permissions.  
  Other users
   equivalent to the affected user who also receive a copy of 
   the message can
   open it OK therefore because of single-instance messaging I 
   can discount a
   corrupted file issue.   Having the affected user send me the 
   message, I can
   open it fine.  
   
   The only resolution so far is to eventually trash their NT 
   profile - once
   recreated the problem goes away.  This is obviously not the 
   best way to do
   it.
   
   I have done the usual searches of the archives, MS support 
   and even some
   anti-virus sites and the web in general but no joy.  Any 
   ideas or pointers
   would be most appreciated.
   
   Regards,
   
   Paul W. Bouzan.
   Network Manager.
   Millfield Group plc.
   T 020 8680 5200
   F 020 8680 5900
   M 07940 583525
   
   
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RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...

2001-12-04 Thread Don Ely

Never heard of it...  Care to elaborate?  ;o)

D





-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:10 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...


Um, security?

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE MCT
Senior Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems
Atlanta, GA
http://www.peregrine.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:42 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
 
 
 Out of curiosity, does anyone know why Microsoft in their infinite 
 wisdom decided to make Temporary Internet Files a property of the user 
 (i.e. in their profile) as against just one directory per PC?
 
 The case of diskless workstations is a trivial one, so we
 can ignore that and look for deeper meanings :-)
 
 Phil
 
 -
 Phil Randal
 Network Engineer
 Herefordshire Council
 Hereford, UK
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 04 December 2001 15:31
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
  
  
  Now, that is interesting because I prevent the Temporary
  Internet Files
  folder from roaming with the profile as many of my users tend 
  to build up
  rather large profiles with their internet activity... Arrgh! 
  - It's all my
  fault!!
  
  Thanks Louis!
  
  PBB
  
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 04 December 2001 15:17
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
  
  
  The way i do it when i have the problem is to just simply
  make sure they
  have a Temporary Internet Folder in their roaming profile. I 
  dont do any of
  the registry editing or anything. Make sure they are logged 
 out first.
  
  Regards
  
  Mr Louis Joyce
  Computer Support Analyst
  Network Administrator
  BT Ignite eSolutions
  
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 04 December 2001 14:53
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
  
  
  Very very close except there is no TS in the mix.  I did come
  across this
  and even tried the reg hack to see if it worked... but no, 
  sadly.  Thanks
  anyway...
  
  PBB
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 04 December 2001 14:36
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
  
  
  http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q268/7/44.ASP
  
  Try this.
  
  Regards
  
  Mr Louis Joyce
  Computer Support Analyst
  Network Administrator
  BT Ignite eSolutions
  
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Paul Bouzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 04 December 2001 14:33
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Spurious attachment permissions issue...
  
  
  ~ndi
  
  EX5.5 sp4 - 1 site, 11 servers - all attached via leased
  lines.  Clients are
  all O2K on NT4 sp6a - identical builds.
  
  Random users at different sites complain of the inability to open 
  attachments, getting a failure because of a lack of
 permissions.  The
  not-so-helpful help message suggests saving the attachment
  first which of
  course does not work... because of a lack of permissions.  
 Other users
  equivalent to the affected user who also receive a copy of
  the message can
  open it OK therefore because of single-instance messaging I 
  can discount a
  corrupted file issue.   Having the affected user send me the 
  message, I can
  open it fine.  
  
  The only resolution so far is to eventually trash their NT
  profile - once
  recreated the problem goes away.  This is obviously not the 
  best way to do
  it.
  
  I have done the usual searches of the archives, MS support
  and even some
  anti-virus sites and the web in general but no joy.  Any 
  ideas or pointers
  would be most appreciated.
  
  Regards,
  
  Paul W. Bouzan.
  Network Manager.
  Millfield Group plc.
  T 020 8680 5200
  F 020 8680 5900
  M 07940 583525
  
  
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