Re: [expert] Install issues with 9.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Dearing wrote: At this stage of the game, it's so disappointing to see this. I mean, anyone who has used Mandrake for any length of time knows that QA has never been their strong suite. I have noticed a bad trend the last couple of distributions. Too big of a hurry to get the latest out without adequate QC. I really enjoyed the finding some of the init.d scripts reporting usage strings to invalid input that are either wrong or for some other command. (/etc/init.d/apmd on Mdk 9.1, for example) As I said, I hope it's just a fluke, and I'm just an unlucky sap with a poor or malfunctioning piece of hardware. But if I'm not, and this is indicative of what others will be experiencing, I'm really, truly worried for Mandrake's future, and saddened, very deeply saddened. This is a real bummer... Actually, it fsck'n sucks! I'm a club member. I have 11 Mandrake machines running right now, and my own mirrors. This is getting hard to swallow. I am glad I haven't installed 9.2 yet. This is sloppy. I don't blame the developers either Reminds me of that POS crappy book I bought from them. I hate people that complain all of the time so I will shut up now... Take care, - -- KevinO If Microsoft built cars, If you were involved in a crash, you would have no idea what happened. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/l4pQWOfRC7Rnmv8RAhl4AJ9vLsymDH1OG670tUX0I2BHg4aTxQCeKmfu EEtgF8y8FEcRQvZmEexzqAE= =dSyG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Install issues with 9.2
On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 13:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, I downloaded the 9.2 Powerpack CD's, and went on an adventure. Well, 9.2 has several annoying install issues especially with a broken KDE install. For example: -consoles don't get installed properly -old nvidia video drivers don't get overwritten with the new one for 9.2 kernel, when you do an upgrade from 9.1 - and more I think the official 9.2 release should be delayed a little for these things to get fixed. Experienced users should have no problems fixing these install isues, but for new users it would be a big dissapointment. IMO Andrew Just Do IT ! With todays deluge of updates to 9.2 it might be just that, that has been accomplished. james Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Install issues with 9.2
OK, I see why this didn't show up on the list. Please, also, read about setting reply-to in the wiki: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette Rolf Pedersen wrote: Bill Dearing wrote: On Wednesday 22 October 2003 17:15, Greg Meyer wrote: I think the official 9.2 release should be delayed a little for these things to get fixed. Experienced users should have no problems fixing these install isues, but for new users it would be a big dissapointment. Unfortunately, it is too late. FiveStar has been sent to the manufacturer. What a shame. So far, for me, this is the worst Mandrake version I've seen in years. [..] I next tried downloading the ISO's again, and reburn them, figuring this could all be a problem in the user space (me!). Nope. After a second install with new ISO's on new CD's I hit the the same snag again. Bummer. [..] There are ways to verify the isos and, even, verify the burned CDs. It is better to do this than to guess that going through all the effort of downloading and burning will produce something better than the first time. Even though bittorrent is supposed to perform checks of the downloaded data, some people seemed to wind up with bad isos and the md5sums were published in various posts to the Club articles. It's imperative to know the download is verified good before anything else. Next, there is a bit of neat HOWTO on verifying the burned disk by Pierre Fortin on the wiki: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/BurningCDsFromISOs Rolf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Install issues with 9.2
Hi folks, I downloaded the 9.2 Powerpack CD's, and went on an adventure. Well, 9.2 has several annoying install issues especially with a broken KDE install. For example: -consoles don't get installed properly -old nvidia video drivers don't get overwritten with the new one for 9.2 kernel, when you do an upgrade from 9.1 - and more I think the official 9.2 release should be delayed a little for these things to get fixed. Experienced users should have no problems fixing these install isues, but for new users it would be a big dissapointment. IMO Andrew Just Do IT ! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Install issues with 9.2
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 04:58 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, I downloaded the 9.2 Powerpack CD's, and went on an adventure. Well, 9.2 has several annoying install issues especially with a broken KDE install. For example: -consoles don't get installed properly What exactly do you mean. The menu entries for alternative consoles will no longer show up, for instance gnome-terminal will no longer show up in KDE and Konsole will not show up in GNOME. This is not a bug but a design choice. If you want them, you have to add them yourself. Also, when you find your KDE menus disappearing, that is not a bug in KDE, but a bug in RPM. Just run update-menus -v as root to restore them. -old nvidia video drivers don't get overwritten with the new one for 9.2 kernel, when you do an upgrade from 9.1 - and more They never will as the nvidia modules are related to a kernel, not the distribution. You have to reinstall them for each kernel you are running. I think the official 9.2 release should be delayed a little for these things to get fixed. Experienced users should have no problems fixing these install isues, but for new users it would be a big dissapointment. Unfortunately, it is too late. FiveStar has been sent to the manufacturer. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Install issues with 9.2
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 23:15, Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 22 October 2003 04:58 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, I downloaded the 9.2 Powerpack CD's, and went on an adventure. Well, 9.2 has several annoying install issues especially with a broken KDE install. For example: -consoles don't get installed properly What exactly do you mean. The menu entries for alternative consoles will no longer show up, for instance gnome-terminal will no longer show up in KDE and Konsole will not show up in GNOME. This is not a bug but a design choice. If you want them, you have to add them yourself. Also, when you find your KDE menus disappearing, that is not a bug in KDE, but a bug in RPM. Just run update-menus -v as root to restore them. -old nvidia video drivers don't get overwritten with the new one for 9.2 kernel, when you do an upgrade from 9.1 - and more They never will as the nvidia modules are related to a kernel, not the distribution. You have to reinstall them for each kernel you are running. I think the official 9.2 release should be delayed a little for these things to get fixed. Experienced users should have no problems fixing these install isues, but for new users it would be a big dissapointment. Unfortunately, it is too late. FiveStar has been sent to the manufacturer. Oy Greg, Have some mercy on the poor sods that find typing e:\install.bat a CLI experience...the man's right; a warning is called for, so as not to put off real Newb's too much. They are the targeted consumer group, aren't they? Good luck, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Install issues with 9.2
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 17:15, Greg Meyer wrote: I think the official 9.2 release should be delayed a little for these things to get fixed. Experienced users should have no problems fixing these install isues, but for new users it would be a big dissapointment. Unfortunately, it is too late. FiveStar has been sent to the manufacturer. What a shame. So far, for me, this is the worst Mandrake version I've seen in years. I did a regular install, keeping my home directly, but the thing wouldn't boot. Got as far as the modprobe, and either got an error insmod pwc failedor it just hung when I booted. I reinstall 9.1 and all the updates, and all works just ducky. I tend to do full installs rather than upgrades since I'm not the most sophisticated of end users, and my experience with Mandrake over the years has been that so much stuff is broken after an upgrade, a full install is actually quicker than running around trying to fix all the little problems. I next tried downloading the ISO's again, and reburn them, figuring this could all be a problem in the user space (me!). Nope. After a second install with new ISO's on new CD's I hit the the same snag again. Bummer. Next up, I return to 9.1, install the 500 megs in updates a second time, and decide to give it one more go. This time, I do an upgrade, rather than a full install. No luck there either. It hangs at the same point. But!!! I now have the option of booting my old kernel, so I do that, and I'm in. Wahoo! Shiny new software! But wait! After a quick glance, all is not well. KOrganizer is missing or broken. Now, I haven't had a chance to see if this was a design choice by the kind folks at Mandrake or not, but since this was an upgrade, I figured it would have installed newer versions of everything already on the machine. Also, I got an error that Eth0 failed, although after a quick check it's pretty clear that the Internet connection is working just fine. I also notice that I'm stuck with Centigrade for temperatures and a 24 hour clock on my tray. Very Euro, but a little difficult for my American head to get wrapped around. When I opened Adjust Date Time Format menu to select my location, the drop down menu is empty. This a typical annoyance for me when I do an upgrade rather than replacing the whole system. I'm sure there are dozens of little broken pieces all over the system I've yet to find. So, the upgrade path to 9.2 isn't nearly perfect, but I'm limping along, and could probably get some work done. I next decide to download any updates since the ISO's came out. Maybe my friends at Mandrake have fixed the boot problem? I connect to ftp.math.utah.edu, and select all the updates available, gdm, gnome-applets, and the three openssl packages. The selection doesn't look likely to fix my problems, but no big deal. I like to keep the computer current anyway, so I proceed. I download the rpm's, but I get an error that the packages have bad signatures. Figuring the machine is pretty well broken anyway and can't get much sicker, I continue. Alas, the update process is not to be. It ends with an error stating that it can't install because libopenssl is missing and dies there. I love Linux, and I love Mandrake best of all. I belong to the club, and have another 22 months or so on my membership. When Mandrake works, it rocks, and it's gotten so incredibly good in the last year. I'm running a three year old computer, an Athlon 700 on an Asus motherboard with 128 Mb of RAM, an ATI Rage Mobility video card, with a Creative Labs Soundblaster Live card. I bought this system to run Mandrake Linux (not Linux, but Mandrake Linux!), and every piece of hardware I run on this system, my Logitech Mousewheel+, my Palm Pilot, my HP LasterJet 1100 printer, my QuickCam, my UMAX 1200S scanner with the Adaptec SCSI card were all bought because they would work with Linux. I'm very careful about what I buy, and I have never had one bit of trouble with any of this stuff. Certainly 9.1 works just fine. At this stage of the game, it's so disappointing to see this. I mean, anyone who has used Mandrake for any length of time knows that QA has never been their strong suite. But they have alway gotten it together by the x.2 release. I hope this is just a fluke and just my problem. I mean, I ran the two RC's on my laptop and had nary a problem. In fact, things went so well, I decided to start by installing the new Mandrake on my main machine. As I said, I hope it's just a fluke, and I'm just an unlucky sap with a poor or malfunctioning piece of hardware. But if I'm not, and this is indicative of what others will be experiencing, I'm really, truly worried for Mandrake's future, and saddened, very deeply saddened. Bill Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Install issues with 9.2
Oy Greg, Have some mercy on the poor sods that find typing e:\install.bat a CLI experience...the man's right; a warning is called for, so as not to put off real Newb's too much. They are the targeted consumer group, aren't they? There can be no doubt. That's the only plausable explanation for not including the kernel souce. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. RANKIN * BERTIN, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax -- - Original Message - From: H.J.Bathoorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [expert] Install issues with 9.2 On Wednesday 22 October 2003 23:15, Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 22 October 2003 04:58 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, I downloaded the 9.2 Powerpack CD's, and went on an adventure. Well, 9.2 has several annoying install issues especially with a broken KDE install. For example: -consoles don't get installed properly What exactly do you mean. The menu entries for alternative consoles will no longer show up, for instance gnome-terminal will no longer show up in KDE and Konsole will not show up in GNOME. This is not a bug but a design choice. If you want them, you have to add them yourself. Also, when you find your KDE menus disappearing, that is not a bug in KDE, but a bug in RPM. Just run update-menus -v as root to restore them. -old nvidia video drivers don't get overwritten with the new one for 9.2 kernel, when you do an upgrade from 9.1 - and more They never will as the nvidia modules are related to a kernel, not the distribution. You have to reinstall them for each kernel you are running. I think the official 9.2 release should be delayed a little for these things to get fixed. Experienced users should have no problems fixing these install isues, but for new users it would be a big dissapointment. Unfortunately, it is too late. FiveStar has been sent to the manufacturer. Oy Greg, Have some mercy on the poor sods that find typing e:\install.bat a CLI experience...the man's right; a warning is called for, so as not to put off real Newb's too much. They are the targeted consumer group, aren't they? Good luck, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
