Re: [Factor-talk] PEGs
How do I use the keyboard keys to cycle back through old expressions? Currently I have to scroll to the old position and double-click to re-enter it. See http://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-gadgets-editors-commands.html This page describes mostly conventional editing commands. I'm looking for a key-based way to recall previously entered lines of text. This key sequence would be directed to the Listener app itself, not to any particular edit field. P.S. Is there any way you can get outlook to send slightly less horrible email? The quoting in particular looks absolutely terrible in the posts you've sent. Previous statements are indented. All responses are left-justified and in-context. Shaping -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] PEGs
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Shaping shap...@charter.net wrote: How do I use the keyboard keys to cycle back through old expressions? Currently I have to scroll to the old position and double-click to re-enter it. http://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-ui-listener.html Chris. -- http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] PEGs
I've noticed that the online EBNF help is not the same as that in the local Help Browser. It is the same, except for possible minor differences between Factor versions. If you go: peg.ebnf about You will get the 'about' page for the peg.ebnf vocabulary. On that page you should see a 'Documentation' heading, under which is the text 'EBNF'. Clicking on that 'EBNF' will take you to the same EBNF documentation I linked too. Yes, the difference was in format only and was correctable. Shaping -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Factor GUI
Incidentally, has it occurred to you that the authors of this program (not me!) are the most active members of this list? Also, that the author of a program might take some offence at being told that it is not polished visually, but somehow manages the incredible feat of working better than most of the stuff that MS produces? The Factor GUI is not hip looking: it does not follow the current fashion of 3D raised, beveled buttons, clever shading/gradients, and whatever else is used for eye-candy now in GUIs. The point of the above statement is that this quality of the GUI does not hurt usability much. The Factor GUI is visually understated, compared to the latest Windows 7 graphical offerings. Dynamically, however, it works better that almost everything else I've seen, recently. The MS APIs are being used well, perhaps even better than MS uses them. That's good. The clunky VisualWorks Smalltalk GUI, now about 20 years old, in contrast, still flickers violently on resize (kind of funny sad all at once...). I've been using it for the last 15 years. Cincom still can't get it right because their connection to the OS is flawed, and they can't be bothered to fix it. They can't be bothered to fix it, because the code that creates the bad behavior is too complicated and requires too much time to understand and change/correct. But this is less likely to happen in Factor, because we develop and test words one at a time. Without criticism nothing gets improved. Don't worry about anybody's feelings getting hurt—it's only code. Yes, and the above wasn't criticism, anyway--more a compliment mixed with an unflattering observation of a flat GUI. Flat or not, I like it. I think I would give the buttons a slight raised look. I sometimes wonder whether they are clickable. I would still like to convince my sup that Factor is the way to go, and he'll want the latest and greatest Windows 7 GUI, eventually. So my next question is: Has anyone undertaken the task of making a more up-to-date looking set of widgets for Factor to use when creating GUI apps, even if those widgets/gadgets will not be used in the dev-environ itself? Shaping -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Factor GUI
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Shaping shap...@charter.net wrote: I would still like to convince my sup that Factor is the way to go, and he'll want the latest and greatest Windows 7 GUI, eventually. So my next question is: Has anyone undertaken the task of making a more up-to-date looking set of widgets for Factor to use when creating GUI apps, even if those widgets/gadgets will not be used in the dev-environ itself? The widget styles for the Factor UI itself are just images, stored in basis/ui/gadgets/theme. Reskinning is a simple matter of replacing those images. But for end-user applications, you don't necessarily have to stick with the Factor UI's widgets. Since you're only targeting Windows, you can use the native Win32 APIs, or some other UI toolkit library. -Joe -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Factor keyboard shortcuts
http://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-ui-listener.html I see it now. Sorry I missed it. Shaping -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] PEGs
How do I use the keyboard keys to cycle back through old expressions? Currently I have to scroll to the old position and double-click to re-enter it. See http://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-gadgets-editors-commands.ht ml This page describes mostly conventional editing commands. I'm looking for a key-based way to recall previously entered lines of text. This key sequence would be directed to the Listener app itself, not to any particular edit field. Oops, sorry, I glanced at that article, noticed that it had C+p set to previous line and decided that was correct. The one I should have sent you is http://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-ui-listener.html That said, I didn't know about the page until I searched for it. In the factor help browser. Presumably, it's the same on your computer too... I'm really whacked and should just sleep. I didn't even notice that the two pages (when Chris sent the second) were actually different until you presented the two links together here. Thanks. Shaping -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Factor GUI
I would still like to convince my sup that Factor is the way to go, and he'll want the latest and greatest Windows 7 GUI, eventually. So my next question is: Has anyone undertaken the task of making a more up-to-date looking set of widgets for Factor to use when creating GUI apps, even if those widgets/gadgets will not be used in the dev-environ itself? The widget styles for the Factor UI itself are just images, stored in basis/ui/gadgets/theme. Reskinning is a simple matter of replacing those images. But for end-user applications, you don't necessarily have to stick with the Factor UI's widgets. Since you're only targeting Windows, you can use the native Win32 APIs, or some other UI toolkit library. Yes, I was referring to the Win32 APIs. Is anyone working on this now? This is not the best strategy, anyway, if a broad deployment is the objective. The current Factor style reminds me of the Motif style. Shaping -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Docs and other topics
Hi, I don't know if my previous mail reached the list or not, but let me ask you once again: - is there some accumulated, readable documentation of Factor somewhere? Or at least a cheat sheet about the various features of the language? The help system is really nice and sufficient as it is if someone already knows what he is looking for. - in another thread you are talking about the UI and the adaptation of the system by someones supervisor. I would like to adapt the language as a supervisor, but cannot do that because of its unreal learning curve and lack of a handbook. - is Factor anywhere already used commercially? Is the making of the language financially efficient or only a side project currently for you Slava? About how reliable are the various features one can read about in the help? Thanks, Balazs -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics
Hi Chris, thanks for the answer. About the reliability of the features: I am curious how often do you stumble upon a feature that is not fully implemented, or not implemented in a cross-platform way. Bye, Balazs On Nov 11, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Chris Double wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Balazs Toth balazs...@gmail.com wrote: - is there some accumulated, readable documentation of Factor somewhere? Or at least a cheat sheet about the various features of the language? The help system is really nice and sufficient as it is if someone already knows what he is looking for. The built-in help, http://docs.factorcode.org and various blogs posts are what is available. - in another thread you are talking about the UI and the adaptation of the system by someones supervisor. I would like to adapt the language as a supervisor, but cannot do that because of its unreal learning curve and lack of a handbook. The learning curve is not really 'unreal'. I learnt it back when it had no documentation at all! That aside a printable readable document would be nice. No one has stepped up to write one yet. There used to be a 'Factor Handbook' PDF and maybe something like that would still be useful. Here's the last version I generated from the latex source: http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/handbook.pdf (Note that it's way out of date. I just present it to show the type of thing that might be useful). About how reliable are the various features one can read about in the help? I'm not sure what you mean by this. Chris. -- http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Balazs Toth balazs...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chris, thanks for the answer. About the reliability of the features: I am curious how often do you stumble upon a feature that is not fully implemented, or not implemented in a cross-platform way. The stuff in basis/ has generally been around the block a few times. Our web framework in particular drives the Factor project's web sites along with a few other sites without much fuss. Chris or Slava could give you more details there. With Factor we try to follow test-driven development practices. The binary packages on the Factor web site are generated by a continuous build system that requires all tests to pass before accepting and publishing a build. when new bugs are reported we add regression tests to ensure those problems don't arise again. If you want an arbitrary yardstick to guesstimate feature reliability by, you could look at the size of a module's test suite. -Joe -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics
Thank you! On Nov 11, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Joe Groff wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Balazs Toth balazs...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chris, thanks for the answer. About the reliability of the features: I am curious how often do you stumble upon a feature that is not fully implemented, or not implemented in a cross-platform way. The stuff in basis/ has generally been around the block a few times. Our web framework in particular drives the Factor project's web sites along with a few other sites without much fuss. Chris or Slava could give you more details there. With Factor we try to follow test-driven development practices. The binary packages on the Factor web site are generated by a continuous build system that requires all tests to pass before accepting and publishing a build. when new bugs are reported we add regression tests to ensure those problems don't arise again. If you want an arbitrary yardstick to guesstimate feature reliability by, you could look at the size of a module's test suite. -Joe -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] tetris deploy-tool
My apologies, tetris deploy-tool does indeed work. I just did not wait long enough. I was using version .94, I miss typed an earlier post as version .04. I just downloaded factor-winnt-x86-32-2010-11-04-13-12.zip. This also works. However, I just noticed that the timestamp placed on tetris.exe is 11/04/2010, but tetris.image is 11/11/2010. --Jeff -Original Message- From: Slava Pestov [mailto:sl...@factorcode.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:49 PM To: factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Factor-talk] Problems with the Hello World and timer-serverexamples. On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Slava Pestov sl...@factorcode.org wrote: The tetris.exe left on the disk would simply exit with no GUI generated. I'll test deployment out and let you know if I find any problems. Jeff, Can you try with the latest development binary for Windows, instead of 0.94? Make sure to wait several minutes for deployment to finish the first time you do it. Slava -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics
1) A google search: site:http://docs.factorcode.org/ [ ] each often finds what I'm looking for in the details, rather than as a topic/word. 2) I generate the docs html locally using a word provided and use a grep tool. USE: help.html load-all generate-help will make it in factor\temp\docs. I move it out of there. Lots of files. This is where one would generate the PDF as well. 3) I use a grep tool on the source itself, because that includes the code that generates the documents. On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:09 AM, Balazs Toth balazs...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I don't know if my previous mail reached the list or not, but let me ask you once again: - is there some accumulated, readable documentation of Factor somewhere? Or at least a cheat sheet about the various features of the language? The help system is really nice and sufficient as it is if someone already knows what he is looking for. - in another thread you are talking about the UI and the adaptation of the system by someones supervisor. I would like to adapt the language as a supervisor, but cannot do that because of its unreal learning curve and lack of a handbook. - is Factor anywhere already used commercially? Is the making of the language financially efficient or only a side project currently for you Slava? About how reliable are the various features one can read about in the help? Thanks, Balazs -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- Jim I'm for extending the working Medicare program for our seniors all the way back to contraception, so Americans can concentrate on living their lives without fear of changing a job, going bankrupt from deductibles or fighting HMO bureaucracy. -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Factor GUI
Don't ignore the possibility of deploying as a local http server and having a local webapp. The server would be on the box, so it could do things locally, call COM, access clipboard. It's how I'm trying to do things, and works cross-platform, and is only limited by your html/css skills. On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Shaping shap...@charter.net wrote: I would still like to convince my sup that Factor is the way to go, and he'll want the latest and greatest Windows 7 GUI, eventually. So my next question is: Has anyone undertaken the task of making a more up-to-date looking set of widgets for Factor to use when creating GUI apps, even if those widgets/gadgets will not be used in the dev-environ itself? The widget styles for the Factor UI itself are just images, stored in basis/ui/gadgets/theme. Reskinning is a simple matter of replacing those images. But for end-user applications, you don't necessarily have to stick with the Factor UI's widgets. Since you're only targeting Windows, you can use the native Win32 APIs, or some other UI toolkit library. Yes, I was referring to the Win32 APIs. Is anyone working on this now? This is not the best strategy, anyway, if a broad deployment is the objective. The current Factor style reminds me of the Motif style. Shaping -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- Jim I'm for extending the working Medicare program for our seniors all the way back to contraception, so Americans can concentrate on living their lives without fear of changing a job, going bankrupt from deductibles or fighting HMO bureaucracy. -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Problems with the Hello World and timer-serverexamples.
Thanks, both work. However, factor -run=time-server does not start the time-server. --Jeff From Slava, You need to do factor -run=hello-world This file is meant to be run as a vocabulary ,not a stand-alone script. For a stand-alone script hello world, try this: -- USE: io Hello world print -- -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Help Browser slow
On Windows XP the Browser that is opened upon clicking Help in the listener is painfully slow. For example, I clicked on Vocabulary tags, and a couple of minutes went by before the tags appeared. I then clicked on collections and another couple of minutes went by before the collections appeared. Is this normal? -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] let, let* |
I am trying to use [let [let* And | in the listener and they are not recognized. -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] let, let* |
Try ``USE: locals'' first. Also, you are getting restarts, no? Find the option that looks good, highlight it, and hit enter. No word named “[let” found in current vocabulary search path - Abort - Use the locals vocabulary this one :-) - Defer word in current vocabulary Doug On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Jeff C. Britton wrote: I am trying to use [let [let* And | in the listener and they are not recognized. -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] let, let* |
On 11/11/2010 10:10 PM, Jeff C. Britton wrote: I am trying to use [let [let* And | in the listener and they are not recognized. Did you make sure to USE: the correct library? -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Help Browser slow
I first noticed this on xp once I had loaded a few libraries, usually furnace. Does the fresh exe seems reasonable? On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jeff C. Britton j...@iteris.com wrote: On Windows XP the Browser that is opened upon clicking Help in the listener is painfully slow. For example, I clicked on Vocabulary tags, and a couple of minutes went by before the tags appeared. I then clicked on collections and another couple of minutes went by before the collections appeared. Is this normal? -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- Jim I'm for extending the working Medicare program for our seniors all the way back to contraception, so Americans can concentrate on living their lives without fear of changing a job, going bankrupt from deductibles or fighting HMO bureaucracy. -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] let, let* |
Hi Jeff, [let is defined in the locals vocabulary, and [let* is gone now. If you saw an old blog post talking about [let and [let*, chances are it uses the old syntax for [let too. Nowadays, we do this: :: foo ( -- z ) 5 : x 6 : y x y + ; Slava On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Jeff C. Britton j...@iteris.com wrote: I am trying to use [let [let* And | in the listener and they are not recognized. -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics
Chris, I like your document, even though it is out of date. I think Balazs wants (as would I and others, I suspect) a nearly linear tutorial-like instruction, including: setting up the Git repository; checking out the clean branch; building Factor from that branch; running Factor; setting up your Emacs editor (pick the best editor and use it to show off the color and formatting; Factor looks like hell in black and white); some simple instruction on tweaking font styles and sizes in the Listener, Browser, and your Emacs editor; Slava's palindrome tutorial; his little GUI-with-button-that-beeps tutorial; his TCP time-server tutorial (and more). Describe how to use the most often used features, the ones you must know to be fluent and effective, like hitting F2 in the Listener after saving code in your editor, to pull in and compile all changed source-code files, or using Ctrl-n and Ctrl-p for easily recalling and looping through all of your previously entered expressions, and so on. You, the fluent ones, can add some much more good stuff to this basic path of instruction, which should be a narrow tree with a clear path toward fluency with the environ and minimal competency with the language, with a few branches off to side-topics, with appropriate links into the Browser help system, for deeper, optional study. You don't want to overload the new guy with the massive hypertree of Factor knowledge. It's too much, but will be become very approachable once a practical foundation is laid with a few basic programming exercises and practical advice on how to use the tools (Git, Listener, Browser, Emacs). Shaping -Original Message- From: Chris Double [mailto:chris.dou...@double.co.nz] Sent: 2010-November-11, 05:24 To: factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Balazs Toth balazs...@gmail.com wrote: - is there some accumulated, readable documentation of Factor somewhere? Or at least a cheat sheet about the various features of the language? The help system is really nice and sufficient as it is if someone already knows what he is looking for. The built-in help, http://docs.factorcode.org and various blogs posts are what is available. - in another thread you are talking about the UI and the adaptation of the system by someones supervisor. I would like to adapt the language as a supervisor, but cannot do that because of its unreal learning curve and lack of a handbook. The learning curve is not really 'unreal'. I learnt it back when it had no documentation at all! That aside a printable readable document would be nice. No one has stepped up to write one yet. There used to be a 'Factor Handbook' PDF and maybe something like that would still be useful. Here's the last version I generated from the latex source: http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/handbook.pdf (Note that it's way out of date. I just present it to show the type of thing that might be useful). About how reliable are the various features one can read about in the help? I'm not sure what you mean by this. Chris. -- http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Shaping shap...@charter.net wrote Chris, I like your document, even though it is out of date. Just to be clear the handbook.pdf is Slava's document. I just generated it from the original source. I did produce this one which is a collection of my blog posts: http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/factor-articles.pdf Chris. -- http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Factor GUI
What is currently the best example/demo involving a locally running web-server serving HTML pages? I need to get more deeply into HTML 5 and CSS 3, anyway. Shaping From: Jim mack [mailto:j...@less2do.com] Sent: 2010-November-11, 13:29 To: factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Factor-talk] Factor GUI Don't ignore the possibility of deploying as a local http server and having a local webapp. The server would be on the box, so it could do things locally, call COM, access clipboard. It's how I'm trying to do things, and works cross-platform, and is only limited by your html/css skills. On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Shaping shap...@charter.net wrote: I would still like to convince my sup that Factor is the way to go, and he'll want the latest and greatest Windows 7 GUI, eventually. So my next question is: Has anyone undertaken the task of making a more up-to-date looking set of widgets for Factor to use when creating GUI apps, even if those widgets/gadgets will not be used in the dev-environ itself? The widget styles for the Factor UI itself are just images, stored in basis/ui/gadgets/theme. Reskinning is a simple matter of replacing those images. But for end-user applications, you don't necessarily have to stick with the Factor UI's widgets. Since you're only targeting Windows, you can use the native Win32 APIs, or some other UI toolkit library. Yes, I was referring to the Win32 APIs. Is anyone working on this now? This is not the best strategy, anyway, if a broad deployment is the objective. The current Factor style reminds me of the Motif style. Shaping -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- Jim I'm for extending the working Medicare program for our seniors all the way back to contraception, so Americans can concentrate on living their lives without fear of changing a job, going bankrupt from deductibles or fighting HMO bureaucracy. -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Shaping shap...@charter.net wrote Chris, I like your document, even though it is out of date. Just to be clear the handbook.pdf is Slava's document. Yes, sorry, I should have looked... I need to get on with some actual Factor-related reading... I'm trying to read/scan too much too fast. The Factor-based OpenGL, EBNF, and webserver/HTML/CSS are my main focus areas now, and should remain so for a long time. I think I just generated it from the original source. I did produce this one which is a collection of my blog posts: http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/factor-articles.pdf I like the blogs, but I waste time asking about old stuff I don't yet know is old. (I see the old dates on the blog, but don't know whether the code in the blogs has changed without digging around in the Listener.) This situation makes me hesitate to read more of them, though I see that they are generally valuable. How much work is involved in updating all of your blog material to the latest clean branch, and keeping it that way? Shaping -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
