[FairfieldLife] Re: New TM school in KS to cost $500 million - top students know Geography
Dr. Hagelin majored in Physics, not Geography! Conversely, the opposite side of Kansas is in the ocean off Western Australia, not India. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "douglasportee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Another mistaken claim is that Kansas is directly opposite of the > Brahmastan of Madhya Pradesh in central India, about 23 degress North > Latitude by 80 degress East Longitude. Even Dr. Hagelin says this. > > But the opposite side of the Earth is in the South Pacific Ocean, > south of the Galapagos Islands, about 23 degrees South Latitude by > 100 degrees West Longitude. > > You can easily see this by holding a globe between your two hands. > One hand is in India, the other below the equator, in the Pacific > Ocean. > > Even if you ignore the southern hemisphere, 100 degrees West > Longitude at 23 degrees North is in Western Mexico. > > So AGAIN they are giving out misinformation that makes no sense. > > If I may offer this correction, Athol is not the closest town to > Smith Center is the closest town to Lebanon, with a population of > 1,931. Regardless, the center is no longer in Kansas, so it is a > moot point. > http://brahmastan.us > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Karen Hyde" wrote: > > > > Lebanon KS has population of 303. Athol KS, the nearest town, has a > > population of 51. By contrast Fairfield IA has 9,509 people. > > > > Topeka KS is 220 miles (4 hours) from Lebanon KS. Topeka is > smaller > > than Cedar Rapids. And MUM students think they are in the > boonies? > > > > At least MIU could build upon the existing Parsons Campus. So there > > were already Dormitories, Dining Hall, Classrooms, Library, > > Gymnasium, etc. Lebanon Kansas has nothing. > > > > There is NOTHING to do there in Kansas. Any students (much less > the > > top students) who go there will lack intellectual and cultural > > stimulation, and leave. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2007, at 4:31 PM, bob_brigante wrote: > > > > > > > I think the most likely outcome is that the TMO will get a few > > > > concessions from local authorities and the state of KS for a > token > > > > presence here in hopes that someday a big school, which would > be > > good > > > > for the economy of KS, actually does appear in the weeds. > > > > > > I hope it's somewhere near Topeka. That way, when the delusions > > > finally give way to something approaching reality, they can just > > pop on > > > over to Menninger's. > > > > > > Sal > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: A. Of E. Techniques- Circa 1975
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New TM school in KS to cost $500 million - top students know Geography
Another mistaken claim is that Kansas is directly opposite of the Brahmastan of Madhya Pradesh in central India, about 23 degress North Latitude by 80 degress East Longitude. Even Dr. Hagelin says this. But the opposite side of the Earth is in the South Pacific Ocean, south of the Galapagos Islands, about 23 degrees South Latitude by 100 degrees West Longitude. You can easily see this by holding a globe between your two hands. One hand is in India, the other below the equator, in the Pacific Ocean. Even if you ignore the southern hemisphere, 100 degrees West Longitude at 23 degrees North is in Western Mexico. So AGAIN they are giving out misinformation that makes no sense. If I may offer this correction, Athol is not the closest town to Smith Center is the closest town to Lebanon, with a population of 1,931. Regardless, the center is no longer in Kansas, so it is a moot point. http://brahmastan.us --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Karen Hyde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Lebanon KS has population of 303. Athol KS, the nearest town, has a > population of 51. By contrast Fairfield IA has 9,509 people. > > Topeka KS is 220 miles (4 hours) from Lebanon KS. Topeka is smaller > than Cedar Rapids. And MUM students think they are in the boonies? > > At least MIU could build upon the existing Parsons Campus. So there > were already Dormitories, Dining Hall, Classrooms, Library, > Gymnasium, etc. Lebanon Kansas has nothing. > > There is NOTHING to do there in Kansas. Any students (much less the > top students) who go there will lack intellectual and cultural > stimulation, and leave. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote: > > > > On Jan 19, 2007, at 4:31 PM, bob_brigante wrote: > > > > > I think the most likely outcome is that the TMO will get a few > > > concessions from local authorities and the state of KS for a token > > > presence here in hopes that someday a big school, which would be > good > > > for the economy of KS, actually does appear in the weeds. > > > > I hope it's somewhere near Topeka. That way, when the delusions > > finally give way to something approaching reality, they can just > pop on > > over to Menninger's. > > > > Sal > > >
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 20, 2007, at 8:56 PM, wgm4u wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > >> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: > >>> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "suziezuzie" > >>> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: > >> > >> Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) > >> > > > > I don't believe that MMY ever claimed that Gurudev taught him > >> TM. > In fact, I recall him saying > > that he distilled all that he had learned from Gurudev into a > single, simple technique that he > > called Transcendental Meditation. > > > If you read the papers by Charles Lutes (the book that was > >> supposed > to have been written but was never published. Someone posted it > >> on > this group), he claims Guru Dev did not teach TM to his followers > but a form of Sri Vidya, Mother Divine worship. Lutes claims that > before Guru Dev died he entrusted MMY with a teaching of TM as > >> MMY > teaches it today, mantras, etc. Lutes also claimes that the TM > techniques was a amethod that had been known by Guru Dev but was > held back until GD gave it to MMY. Mark > >>> > >>> Fascinating..do you have a link to that particular talk? > >> > >> FWIW, the first volume of the Collected Papers has > >> an introduction by Larry Domash that pretty clearly > >> says MMY developed TM on his own. It's unlikely the > >> intro wasn't approved by MMY, given the importance of > >> that series of books to the movement at the time. > >> > >> The first half of that introduction was posted on > >> alt.meditation.transcendental back in the early > >> '90s; you can find it here: > >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/34zns4 > >> > >> It's a terrific essay, but if you want to get quickly > >> to the part I mentioned, search for the phrase > >> "unusually talented student" and start reading there. > > > > Thanks. > > All spin, I would not trust this. > As opposed to the Masters you deal with, of course...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........
On Jan 20, 2007, at 8:56 PM, wgm4u wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "suziezuzie" wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) I don't believe that MMY ever claimed that Gurudev taught him TM. In fact, I recall him saying that he distilled all that he had learned from Gurudev into a single, simple technique that he called Transcendental Meditation. If you read the papers by Charles Lutes (the book that was supposed to have been written but was never published. Someone posted it on this group), he claims Guru Dev did not teach TM to his followers but a form of Sri Vidya, Mother Divine worship. Lutes claims that before Guru Dev died he entrusted MMY with a teaching of TM as MMY teaches it today, mantras, etc. Lutes also claimes that the TM techniques was a amethod that had been known by Guru Dev but was held back until GD gave it to MMY. Mark Fascinating..do you have a link to that particular talk? FWIW, the first volume of the Collected Papers has an introduction by Larry Domash that pretty clearly says MMY developed TM on his own. It's unlikely the intro wasn't approved by MMY, given the importance of that series of books to the movement at the time. The first half of that introduction was posted on alt.meditation.transcendental back in the early '90s; you can find it here: http://tinyurl.com/34zns4 It's a terrific essay, but if you want to get quickly to the part I mentioned, search for the phrase "unusually talented student" and start reading there. Thanks. All spin, I would not trust this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: OK, so how did MMY and Guru Dev reach CC.....?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 20, 2007, at 9:40 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > If you mean someone who reports the above plus shows pure > > transcending for an entire 20 > > minute meditation period, every mediation period, then no studies > > have been published on > > such people. > > Turiyatita? Try continuous samadhi, 24/7/365. > Sigh. Please point me to a study or studies on people who show continuous breath suspension for 20 minutes at a time under lab conditions rather than ambiguous results found in a cave some place using portable equipment with questionable calibration. Hell, for 20 minutes continuous breath suspension associated with samadhi rather than just holding your breath, show me ANY research at all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 20, 2007, at 7:37 PM, wgm4u wrote: > > > Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) > > Manasika-japa, mental use of mantra, is an ubiquitous meditation > technique across India for millenia. The only difference with TM is > you are only given a small piece of the whole teaching and instead of > being given a mantra of your beloved, "what you get is what you get". > The practice of TM is a hologramatic structure of knowledge, so that we receive a piece of it, but that piece has within it all of the components of the complete structure needed to lead us to our enlightenment. In this way, practice eventually makes perfect, directly attributable to the purity of the piece of knowledge we intially receive.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Death and Stuff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Death and Stuff > > Is he getting any > > > > support from the TMO? > > > > > > > > Haven't heard. In fact, it would be interesting to know what kind > >of > > >support > > > other notables who've died received. Skip Alexander, Jane Hopson, > >etc. > > > > > > > Yeah, the mortality rate up there is kind of up there. > > > > They don't call it > 'Heavenly Lane' for nothing.> > > Yeah, and if you live there on 'Heavenly Lane', it is a pretty short > road too. > not as short as Skid Row, though...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: > > > > > > Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) > > > > > All true Seers, true Yogis, begin their own traditions, based on the > > foundation of earlier traditions. So those who would say Maharishi is > > beginning his own tradition are correct. > > But, guess what...Guru Dev taught a meditation technique, I believe > Varma, the painter of Guru Dev was intitiated by Guru Dev! Oh well, > enough of the 'windmills' of my mind, this is mind bogeling. > Of course he did! A person of Guru Dev's stature would naturally know how to effortlessly impart the benefits of his consciousness to another.
[FairfieldLife] Re: OK, so how did MMY and Guru Dev reach CC.....?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 20, 2007, at 8:26 PM, wgm4u wrote: > > > If, according to Domash, MMY discovered TM then how did any of them > > reach enlightenment, that is what I would like to know. > > I'm not sure myself, but I think I heard it had something to do with > Club Med and mai tais. > Happy Hour!
[FairfieldLife] Re: OK, so how did MMY and Guru Dev reach CC.....?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If, according to Domash, MMY discovered TM then how did any of them > reach enlightenment, that is what I would like to know. (But probably > never will). Some tradition...it brings up the question, "has > anyone EVER reached CC using TM"! Gads! > TM is just the repackaging for the current age of the vibration of purification leading to the experience of Samadhi. It has been around, in one form or another, forever. Our birthright, should we choose to use it, just like our eyes, ears, mouth, nose, and tongue.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........
On Jan 20, 2007, at 10:18 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 20, 2007, at 7:37 PM, wgm4u wrote: Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) Manasika-japa, mental use of mantra, is an ubiquitous meditation technique across India for millenia. The only difference with TM is you are only given a small piece of the whole teaching and instead of being given a mantra of your beloved, "what you get is what you get". Says a guy who is still convinced that MMY believes that TM involves effort. Just the facts. And his own admission!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: OK, so how did MMY and Guru Dev reach CC.....?
On Jan 20, 2007, at 9:40 PM, sparaig wrote: If you mean someone who reports the above plus shows pure transcending for an entire 20 minute meditation period, every mediation period, then no studies have been published on such people. Turiyatita? Try continuous samadhi, 24/7/365.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 20, 2007, at 7:37 PM, wgm4u wrote: > > > Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) > > Manasika-japa, mental use of mantra, is an ubiquitous meditation > technique across India for millenia. The only difference with TM is > you are only given a small piece of the whole teaching and instead of > being given a mantra of your beloved, "what you get is what you get". > Says a guy who is still convinced that MMY believes that TM involves effort.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........
On Jan 20, 2007, at 7:37 PM, wgm4u wrote: Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) Manasika-japa, mental use of mantra, is an ubiquitous meditation technique across India for millenia. The only difference with TM is you are only given a small piece of the whole teaching and instead of being given a mantra of your beloved, "what you get is what you get".
[FairfieldLife] Re: OK, so how did MMY and Guru Dev reach CC.....?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If, according to Domash, MMY discovered TM then how did any of them > reach enlightenment, Any of "them" who? that is what I would like to know. (But probably > never will). Some tradition...it brings up the question, "has > anyone EVER reached CC using TM"! Gads! >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: > > > > Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) > > > All true Seers, true Yogis, begin their own traditions, based on the > foundation of earlier traditions. So those who would say Maharishi is > beginning his own tradition are correct. Also, according to Ramana Maharshi's editor (also a disciple), the title "Maharishi/Maharshi" is traditionally accorded (by followers; it isn't an "official" title) to those who bring out a new path to enlightenment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Death and Stuff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Death and Stuff > Is he getting any > > > support from the TMO? > > > > > > Haven't heard. In fact, it would be interesting to know what kind >of > >support > > other notables who've died received. Skip Alexander, Jane Hopson, >etc. > > > > Yeah, the mortality rate up there is kind of up there. > They don't call it 'Heavenly Lane' for nothing.> Yeah, and if you live there on 'Heavenly Lane', it is a pretty short road too. > Jane Hopson, Charlie Lieb, Mother > Drier. Is Jane's house still empty? >Run, as if your MSV house is on > fire! >
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Community? > >. > > Does the movement have no care program for its old? > > sympathetic care given to their own in the last days. >Is the TMorg >of Maharishi too consumed with fund-raising and building utopias to > care about its people? > > > -Doug in FF > Thanks Mark, this answers my question. <--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[FairfieldLife] Re: OK, so how did MMY and Guru Dev reach CC.....?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If, according to Domash, MMY discovered TM then how did any of them > reach enlightenment, that is what I would like to know. (But probably > never will). Some tradition...it brings up the question, "has > anyone EVER reached CC using TM"! Gads! > Well, depends on the definition of CC. If you mean someone who reports 24 hour per day, 7 day per week, for years at a time witnessing, well yes. Studies on such people have been published. If you mean someone who reports the above plus shows pure transcending for an entire 20 minute meditation period, every mediation period, then no studies have been published on such people.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: > > > > Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) > > > All true Seers, true Yogis, begin their own traditions, based on the > foundation of earlier traditions. So those who would say Maharishi is > beginning his own tradition are correct. But, guess what...Guru Dev taught a meditation technique, I believe Varma, the painter of Guru Dev was intitiated by Guru Dev! Oh well, enough of the 'windmills' of my mind, this is mind bogeling.
Re: [FairfieldLife] OK, so how did MMY and Guru Dev reach CC.....?
On Jan 20, 2007, at 8:26 PM, wgm4u wrote: > If, according to Domash, MMY discovered TM then how did any of them > reach enlightenment, that is what I would like to know. I'm not sure myself, but I think I heard it had something to do with Club Med and mai tais. > (But probably > never will). Some tradition...it brings up the question, "has > anyone EVER reached CC using TM"! Gads!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Death and Stuff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Death and Stuff > > > > > He has known for about a year and hasn't even told his family. He > > goes > > > to the dome and is happy. > > > > If he's happy, great--we should all be so lucky. Is he getting any > > support from the TMO? > > > > Haven't heard. In fact, it would be interesting to know what kind of >support > other notables who've died received. Skip Alexander, Jane Hopson, etc. > Yeah, the mortality rate up there is kind of up there. They don't call it 'Heavenly Lane' for nothing. Jane Hopson, Charlie Lieb, Mother Drier. Is Jane's house still empty? Run, as if your SV house is on fire!
[FairfieldLife] OK, so how did MMY and Guru Dev reach CC.....?
If, according to Domash, MMY discovered TM then how did any of them reach enlightenment, that is what I would like to know. (But probably never will). Some tradition...it brings up the question, "has anyone EVER reached CC using TM"! Gads!
[FairfieldLife] Re: New TM school in KS to cost $500 million - NonCentral University
It should be called NonCentral University, since it is not the center of anything. Or ExCentral University, since it was the ex-center of the old 48 state USA. Or perhaps NonSense University, or ExCentric University... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Grand new plans unfolding rapidly for construction of 'premier, > flagship university' at US Brahmasthan > by Global Good news staff writer > > Global Country of World Peace > 18 January 2007 > > The complete, detailed plans for the new Central University to be > built at the Brahmasthan (centre) of the US in Kansaswhich 'welled > up like a tidal wave' in their entirety under the inspiration of His > Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (http://maharishi- > programmes.globalgoodnews.com/achievements) during the Global > Celebrations on 13 January 2007have been rapidly unfolding in the > ensuing days. > > This will be the 'premier, flagship university' of the United States, > in the words of His Excellency Dr John Hagelin, Minister of Science > and Technology of the Global Country of World Peace and President of > the US Peace Government, during Maharishi's Global Family Chat on 14 > January. > > The whole campus will be 'stately, grand, and beautiful', with first- > class accommodations and 'royal construction' in gleaming white > marble, according to the design by His Excellency Dr Eike Hartmann, > Minister of Architecture and City Planning of the Global Country. > > There will be one grand, unified campus integrating the whole > country, comprising 50 smaller campuses for 200 students from each > statea total of 10,000 students, all practising Maharishi's > Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programme, including Yogic > Flying. The layout of the campus will mirror the country itself: > eastern states represented by campuses on the eastern side; western > states by campuses on the western side, etc. > > Both the campus and the curriculum will attract the very top, 'first- > class' intelligentsia of the world at the undergraduate and graduate > levels, and will train the highest calibre of supreme leadership for > the nation through Maharishi's Vedic Science and its applied values > in the modern scientific disciplines. (A forthcoming Global Good > News/Excellence in Action article will describe the curriculum more > fully.) > > Dr Hagelin explained that the university will be functioning by Guru > Purnima this July, and will be open to enrol students at the start of > the academic year in August or September. > > Construction costs for each of the 50 campuses are estimated at > approximately US$10 million, with overall construction of the entire > campus about one-half billion US$. > > Raja Wynne, Raja of Vedic America (the domain of the Global Country > encompassing the central plains states, including Kansas), said that > construction will be financed through a combination of 75 per cent > bank financing and 25 per cent$150 millionshared among the 50 > states. > > A national initiative is underway, under the leadership of all the > Rajas of US domains, to accomplish the initial financing for the > whole project within the first 100 hours. Well-wishers of peace and > invincibility in each state are taking responsibility to raise $3 > million for their state's campus at the Brahmasthan, through > investment in high-yield, tax-exempt bonds underwritten by the state > of Kansas; donations; and grants from educational foundations. > > Dr Hagelin and Raja Wynne expressed their deepest gratitude to the > Governor of the State of Kansas, one of whose first official acts > after re-election was to sign the document authorizing sale of tax- > exempt bonds in Kansas, which had been previously organized for > building on the Brahmasthan land. Dr Hagelin praised her 'wonderful > cooperation and great vision' to recognize the benefits of this > projectnot only for the prestige, revenue, and quality of education > in Kansasbut also for the peace and invincibility of the whole > country and world. > > The 14 January Global Family Chat is being replayed every day this > week on the Maharishi Channel; visit the home page www.mou.org for > the daily schedule. > > For further details about the new university at the Brahmasthan, > please also visit: www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html? > art=1168748145387900 >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) > All true Seers, true Yogis, begin their own traditions, based on the foundation of earlier traditions. So those who would say Maharishi is beginning his own tradition are correct.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Very disturbing story, if true, and probably is. Although it doesn't > mean that TM doesn't work, just that MMY is promoting what I think is > just Neo-Hinduism. I think of it more as meta-Hinduism...
[FairfieldLife] Re: "No man cometh unto the Father (Brahman) except thru me...."
He just meant that you need a Guru. Occam's razor. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As Jesus, the Christed one, so well put it, the Christ in him was one > with the Absolute, (CC) > and like Jesus we must realize 'Christ' in us (as God Consciousness, > personal) BEFORE we can become one with the Father, Brahman or > impersonal God. > > Christ Chaitanya (consciousness) is awareness of the personal God IN > creation (manifest). Christ means simply 'annointed one', so we must > become Christed like Jesus before we can reach Cosmic Consciousness or > oneness (Unity) with the Father. > > God consciousness is awareness of the universal Soul of Creation, it > is essentially formless consciousness (chaitanya), it can take ANY form! > > Unity or CC is awareness of Brahman beyond creation and ultimately as > both, the manifest God AND the unmanifest God together, this teaching > (i.e. Jesus) is entirely missing from Maharishi's TMorg. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: A. Of E. Techniques- Circa 1975
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 20, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Peter wrote: > > > This was not the most common A of E technique given > > out in '75. In fact, I've never heard of this specific > > technique before. MMY gave out many different ones and > > asked us to stay in touch with him by writing what our > > experiences were and sending him these reports. > > > Here's the original: > > Full Age of Enlightenment Technique > After T[ranscendental]M[editation]S[idhi]P[rogram]: > > Place attention on the following in sequence: > Nostrils > Lips > Ears > Eyes > Between Brows > Top of head > Whole head > Throat > Chest > Stomach > Sides of the body > Back > Upper back > Shoulder blades > Upper arms > Lower arms > Palms > Fingers > Upper legs > Ankles > Feet > Whole body > > Then have sequential and growing awareness of the following spaces, > along with the mantras which follow: > City you are in > Country you are in > Continent (North/SouthAmerica) > Africa > Europe > Austral-Asia > Whole world > Earth and the Sun together > The Solar System > The Galaxy > Clusters of Galaxies > Whole Universe > The Absolute > The Whole Body > > Lokas (done simultaneously with the above): > Om Bhu (mentally utter at level of clouds) > Om Bhu Va (higher and higher) > Om Sva > Om Maha > Om Jana > Om Tapa > Om Sat Yam (pron: Om Sut Yum) > > When you utter "Sat Yam" place attention on the top of your head. > > Have an awareness of the Whole Body. > > Sutra: Soma, soma, soma. > > Rest 5-10 minutes. Thanks for posting this. Very refreshing (though I just walked myself through it in 'waking state')!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip > > Fascinating..do you have a link to that particular talk? > > FWIW, the first volume of the Collected Papers has > an introduction by Larry Domash that pretty clearly > says MMY developed TM on his own. It's unlikely the > intro wasn't approved by MMY, given the importance of > that series of books to the movement at the time. > > The first half of that introduction was posted on > alt.meditation.transcendental back in the early > '90s; you can find it here: > > http://tinyurl.com/34zns4 > > It's a terrific essay, but if you want to get quickly > to the part I mentioned, search for the phrase > "unusually talented student" and start reading there. Well that settles it, (according to Domash), great research and memory, thanks again. I wonder if that means we need a Guru afterall since MMY isn't a Guru, I think some things we may never know!
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > I remember Knapp always walking around stridently as a Movement > > minion while I was at Livingston Manor, like he had a pencil up his > > butt. He doesn't seem to have changed his personality much. Once a > > zealot, always a zealot I suppose. > > He strikes me as being in no less a state of polarity about TM as the > most ardent TM TB; he's merely flipped from one extreme to the > opposite extreme. And, he apparently fancies himself a therapist who > specializes in helping people who have left the TM org. But, can > someone in bondage to polarity who actively tries to recruit others > into the same state of polarity truly offer any degree of real freedom > as a therapist? I think a person who believes he was harmed by his > involvement with TM would be better served by a therapist with some > degree of equanimity. > Good point- I agree.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raw milk: the udder truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "suziezuzie" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > wrote: > > > > > > http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2007/01/19/raw_milk/index.html > > > > > When we were in Israel in 1989, my wife and I took our one year old > > daugter to a house a few blocks from where we were staying. In the > > backyard was a small farm of dairy cows. The owner went to one of his > > cows and filled our container straight from the udder. The milk was > > still steaming warm and the cream settled on the top as Natalie drank > > this stuff. When I think back on those days, it was probably quite > > dangerous but nothing ever happened except I remember how healthy she > > looked. > > Raw milk isn't *as* safe as pasteurized, but it > isn't all that likely to be dangerous when it > comes from a healthy, well-kept cow who eats grass. > > It's the cows kept in stalls in crowded, filthy > factory dairies, fed corn instead of grass, and > shot up with hormones and antibiotics because they > live in such unhealthy conditions whose milk you > don't want to drink unless it's been pasteurized. > > And oh, God, raw milk from healthy cows *tastes* > so much better. Not until you've had some do you > realize how *dead* pasteurized milk tastes by > contrast. And, if you forget and leave some raw milk in the back of the fridge for a couple weeks, it's still food. Do the same with pasteurized milk, and you end up with vile putrefied goo.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "suziezuzie" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't believe that MMY ever claimed that Gurudev taught him > TM. > > > In fact, I recall him saying > > > > that he distilled all that he had learned from Gurudev into a > > > single, simple technique that he > > > > called Transcendental Meditation. > > > > > > > If you read the papers by Charles Lutes (the book that was > supposed > > > to have been written but was never published. Someone posted it > on > > > this group), he claims Guru Dev did not teach TM to his followers > > > but a form of Sri Vidya, Mother Divine worship. Lutes claims that > > > before Guru Dev died he entrusted MMY with a teaching of TM as > MMY > > > teaches it today, mantras, etc. Lutes also claimes that the TM > > > techniques was a amethod that had been known by Guru Dev but was > > > held back until GD gave it to MMY. Mark > > > > Fascinating..do you have a link to that particular talk? > > FWIW, the first volume of the Collected Papers has > an introduction by Larry Domash that pretty clearly > says MMY developed TM on his own. It's unlikely the > intro wasn't approved by MMY, given the importance of > that series of books to the movement at the time. > > The first half of that introduction was posted on > alt.meditation.transcendental back in the early > '90s; you can find it here: > > http://tinyurl.com/34zns4 > > It's a terrific essay, but if you want to get quickly > to the part I mentioned, search for the phrase > "unusually talented student" and start reading there. Thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Nisargadatta quote
[Comments] interleaved: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" > wrote: > > > > But, surely all *will* happen as it must. The term "all" > > certainly includes our emotions, our morality, our cultural > > motiv, right? Nothing is separate from anything or everything. > > The sense of outrage you display (and any actions you take, > > so prompted by it) are also inseparable threads in the > > fabric of "all". You will act as you must. We all do. > > That's all. > > Good answer. The only change I'd make to the above > to agree with it is a search operation on the word > 'must,' replacing it with 'will.' [ Yes. 'Must' and 'Will' mean the same thing in this context.] > It is possible to believe that everything is perfect > (on some level) at every moment, while not believing > that that perfection was designed or predestined. It > could have an "operating system" of chaos and still > be perfect, or it could have an "operating system" > of karma + free will (not quite chaos but close, in > effect) and still be perfect. [Yes. The 'rightness' (or 'suchness') of the realization of what Is that conveys the unshakeable sense of its perfection. But it's not perfect in the sense of being better than something else, or the apogee of a hierarchial system. It's just what Is.] > As I suggested before, the reaction or overreaction > of some people to such statements as Nisargadatta's > is (IMO) based on trying to suss the reality of > one state of attention from another. There is not > just one reality; there are as many as there are > states of attention, each different, each perfect > (on some level) unto itself, each valid. All I'm > suggesting is that one doesn't have to believe > that these states of attention are hierarchical, > with Unity being the "highest" and thus the "best" > or the "real" reality. All of them coexist at all > times, none of them "highest," none of them "best," > all of them perfect. > [Exactly. In a pot of water there is no part or piece of water that is better than any other part. All water.]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raw milk: the udder truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "suziezuzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > wrote: > > > > http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2007/01/19/raw_milk/index.html > > > When we were in Israel in 1989, my wife and I took our one year old > daugter to a house a few blocks from where we were staying. In the > backyard was a small farm of dairy cows. The owner went to one of his > cows and filled our container straight from the udder. The milk was > still steaming warm and the cream settled on the top as Natalie drank > this stuff. When I think back on those days, it was probably quite > dangerous but nothing ever happened except I remember how healthy she > looked. Now she eats western junk food but still seems very healthy. I > guess it's the carry over effect of those healthy days. Mark > I would get raw milk if it wasn't a lot of trouble where I am now. I'm sure it's healthier, and the taste is much better. AltaDena dairy here in SoCal used to do raw milk to supermarkets, and it's still legal to do so, but they dropped it cuz it's too much trouble: http://www.magma.ca/~ca/rawmilk/sale.htm http://www.realmilk.com/untoldstory_2.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "suziezuzie" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: > > > > > > > > Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) > > > > > > > > > > I don't believe that MMY ever claimed that Gurudev taught him TM. > > In fact, I recall him saying > > > that he distilled all that he had learned from Gurudev into a > > single, simple technique that he > > > called Transcendental Meditation. > > > > > If you read the papers by Charles Lutes (the book that was supposed > > to have been written but was never published. Someone posted it on > > this group), he claims Guru Dev did not teach TM to his followers > > but a form of Sri Vidya, Mother Divine worship. Lutes claims that > > before Guru Dev died he entrusted MMY with a teaching of TM as MMY > > teaches it today, mantras, etc. Lutes also claimes that the TM > > techniques was a amethod that had been known by Guru Dev but was > > held back until GD gave it to MMY. Mark > > Fascinating..do you have a link to that particular talk? FWIW, the first volume of the Collected Papers has an introduction by Larry Domash that pretty clearly says MMY developed TM on his own. It's unlikely the intro wasn't approved by MMY, given the importance of that series of books to the movement at the time. The first half of that introduction was posted on alt.meditation.transcendental back in the early '90s; you can find it here: http://tinyurl.com/34zns4 It's a terrific essay, but if you want to get quickly to the part I mentioned, search for the phrase "unusually talented student" and start reading there.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Nisargadatta quote
Very nice, indeed, thanks. The conception of the Tao is so perfectly elegant and Lao Tzu is such a lucid conveyer of it. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" > wrote: > > > > The ordinary man is personally concerned, he counts his > > risks and chances, while the gnani remains aloof, sure > > that all will happen as it must; and it does not matter > > much what happens, for ultimately the return to balance > > and harmony is inevitable. The heart of things is at peace. > > Nice. I always liked this gem from Lao-tzu: > > "A good traveler has no fixed plans > and is not intent upon arriving." > > > Road Trip Mind, in only 13 words. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raw milk: the udder truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "suziezuzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > wrote: > > > > http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2007/01/19/raw_milk/index.html > > > When we were in Israel in 1989, my wife and I took our one year old > daugter to a house a few blocks from where we were staying. In the > backyard was a small farm of dairy cows. The owner went to one of his > cows and filled our container straight from the udder. The milk was > still steaming warm and the cream settled on the top as Natalie drank > this stuff. When I think back on those days, it was probably quite > dangerous but nothing ever happened except I remember how healthy she > looked. Raw milk isn't *as* safe as pasteurized, but it isn't all that likely to be dangerous when it comes from a healthy, well-kept cow who eats grass. It's the cows kept in stalls in crowded, filthy factory dairies, fed corn instead of grass, and shot up with hormones and antibiotics because they live in such unhealthy conditions whose milk you don't want to drink unless it's been pasteurized. And oh, God, raw milk from healthy cows *tastes* so much better. Not until you've had some do you realize how *dead* pasteurized milk tastes by contrast.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "suziezuzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: > > > > > > Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) > > > > > > > I don't believe that MMY ever claimed that Gurudev taught him TM. > In fact, I recall him saying > > that he distilled all that he had learned from Gurudev into a > single, simple technique that he > > called Transcendental Meditation. > > > If you read the papers by Charles Lutes (the book that was supposed > to have been written but was never published. Someone posted it on > this group), he claims Guru Dev did not teach TM to his followers > but a form of Sri Vidya, Mother Divine worship. Lutes claims that > before Guru Dev died he entrusted MMY with a teaching of TM as MMY > teaches it today, mantras, etc. Lutes also claimes that the TM > techniques was a amethod that had been known by Guru Dev but was > held back until GD gave it to MMY. Mark Fascinating..do you have a link to that particular talk? >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raw milk: the udder truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2007/01/19/raw_milk/index.html > When we were in Israel in 1989, my wife and I took our one year old daugter to a house a few blocks from where we were staying. In the backyard was a small farm of dairy cows. The owner went to one of his cows and filled our container straight from the udder. The milk was still steaming warm and the cream settled on the top as Natalie drank this stuff. When I think back on those days, it was probably quite dangerous but nothing ever happened except I remember how healthy she looked. Now she eats western junk food but still seems very healthy. I guess it's the carry over effect of those healthy days. Mark
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: > > > > Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) > > > > I don't believe that MMY ever claimed that Gurudev taught him TM. In fact, I recall him saying > that he distilled all that he had learned from Gurudev into a single, simple technique that he > called Transcendental Meditation. > If you read the papers by Charles Lutes (the book that was supposed to have been written but was never published. Someone posted it on this group), he claims Guru Dev did not teach TM to his followers but a form of Sri Vidya, Mother Divine worship. Lutes claims that before Guru Dev died he entrusted MMY with a teaching of TM as MMY teaches it today, mantras, etc. Lutes also claimes that the TM techniques was a amethod that had been known by Guru Dev but was held back until GD gave it to MMY. Mark
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: > > > > > > Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) > > > > > > > I don't believe that MMY ever claimed that Gurudev taught him TM. In > fact, I recall him saying > > that he distilled all that he had learned from Gurudev into a > single, simple technique that he > > called Transcendental Meditation. > > Did you hear him say this in person? > That is more or less a amalgamation of several things I have heard him say in lectures and/or read in various books/articles/etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: > > > > Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) > > > > I don't believe that MMY ever claimed that Gurudev taught him TM. In fact, I recall him saying > that he distilled all that he had learned from Gurudev into a single, simple technique that he > called Transcendental Meditation. Did you hear him say this in person?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: > > > > Very disturbing story, if true, and probably is. Although it doesn't > > mean that TM doesn't work, just that MMY is promoting what I think is > > just Neo-Hinduism. > > > > Just think...we don't even know what form of meditation MMY > > practiced/practices, and do we know if the Guru Dev taught TM? I know > > some were initiated by Guru Dev, but what did he teach? > > > > > > I guess some people will take anything seriously... > > In fact, it is doubtful that Gurudev taught TM exactly like MMY does because MMY himself > takes credit/blame for the specifics of TM, due to "direct inspiration" from Gurudev. > > On the other hand, Swami Shatanda Saraswati taught Anoop Chandola to meditate and the > local TM center policy was to treat him as a regular TMer as far as invitations to advanced > lectures and so on was concerned. Didn't someone on FFL say that they wer einitiated into > an Advanced Technique by Swami Satchananda, a brother-monk of the SBS lineage, but > that Satchananda paused during the TM puja for far longer than the average TM teacher > would have? > > It seems to me that you can make a case that MMY took various traditional techniques > taught by various traditions and transformed them into a consistent set based on his > intuitiion about what is what. IOW, he didn't make everything up, but he didn't learn it all > by rote from his guru, either. Sounds reasonable, it's a little disturbing to think he made it up as he went a long, but it's very possible. Charlie Lutes once made the comment that MMY said."I know not how this works on humans". Well, it seems to work, at least to some (greater or lesser) degree, I can say that I have experienced concentrated happiness (bliss) like MMY said.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) > I don't believe that MMY ever claimed that Gurudev taught him TM. In fact, I recall him saying that he distilled all that he had learned from Gurudev into a single, simple technique that he called Transcendental Meditation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Very disturbing story, if true, and probably is. Although it doesn't > mean that TM doesn't work, just that MMY is promoting what I think is > just Neo-Hinduism. > > Just think...we don't even know what form of meditation MMY > practiced/practices, and do we know if the Guru Dev taught TM? I know > some were initiated by Guru Dev, but what did he teach? > > I guess some people will take anything seriously... In fact, it is doubtful that Gurudev taught TM exactly like MMY does because MMY himself takes credit/blame for the specifics of TM, due to "direct inspiration" from Gurudev. On the other hand, Swami Shatanda Saraswati taught Anoop Chandola to meditate and the local TM center policy was to treat him as a regular TMer as far as invitations to advanced lectures and so on was concerned. Didn't someone on FFL say that they wer einitiated into an Advanced Technique by Swami Satchananda, a brother-monk of the SBS lineage, but that Satchananda paused during the TM puja for far longer than the average TM teacher would have? It seems to me that you can make a case that MMY took various traditional techniques taught by various traditions and transformed them into a consistent set based on his intuitiion about what is what. IOW, he didn't make everything up, but he didn't learn it all by rote from his guru, either.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Death and Stuff
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Death and Stuff I'm sure it varies from person to person, but the only members of Purusha I know/knew were people like Rick Archer, George Brown, and the like. Rick can speak for himself, but George Brown's family was entirely supportive of his involvement with Purusha, at least according to his sisters. Early in my movement involvement my father said, "hey, I'm not happy, so who am I to tell you how to be happy." He meditated, went to Poland Spring and the Amherst SCI symposium and various residence courses, but still died an alcoholic. My mother spent 9 months in Switzerland on International Staff, took the first phase of TTC, lived in FF, etc. So both were supportive, but both, towards the end of their lives, began to grumble about aspects of the TMO they found weird, unfair, etc. One of my sisters lives on campus in an SV house, her husband is on faculty, kids in MSAE/MUM, the whole enchilada. But she's supportive of what I'm doing now.
[FairfieldLife] Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........
Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007
Very disturbing story, if true, and probably is. Although it doesn't mean that TM doesn't work, just that MMY is promoting what I think is just Neo-Hinduism. Just think...we don't even know what form of meditation MMY practiced/practices, and do we know if the Guru Dev taught TM? I know some were initiated by Guru Dev, but what did he teach? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Posted by John M. Knapp, >First there was the recent submission on the Transcendental Meditation Age of Enlightenment techniques. Then followed the lively discussion pointing out that the Maharishi tried first one version then another on unsuspecting 6-Month course participants. > > The guy was basically making it up as he went along. If one thing didn't work, why then he'd try something else. Older readers here may remember that the Maharishi referred to the Age of Enlightenment techniques and the later sidhis as "research experiments into consciousness" after all. > > As Joseppi justly pointed out, we were just lab rats to the Maharishi. Worse, we were paying lab rats. We paid not only the equivalent of $25,000 in today's money, we paid in time from our lives. And some of us paid in psychological damage from "spiritual" experiments that the Maharishi had no idea how they would turn out. Until we lined up to sip the psychological Kool Aid. > > This isn't just morally wrong. It's criminal. > > After the Nazi horrors of World War II, during which Nazi scientists experimented medically and psychologically on Jews and others, the world reacted with shock. They passed the Nuremberg Code of Ethics, parts of which were later incorporated into the Geneva Conventions. International law made it illegal to perform any type of human experimentation without the informed consent of participants. Informed consent requires that "test subjects" be told in advance that they are taking part in experimental procedures and the possible side effects. "Impermissible experiments" on humans explicitly included not just medical, but psychological experimentation as well. > > From the victims of the Maharishi's experiments known as the Fiuggi Flipouts, to the course participants of the 6-Month Course, to the continuing experiments of Ayur Veda and even the million-dollar Raja course, the Maharishi is conducting impermissible experiments on unsuspecting human subjects. > > Not informing us that he is experimenting, that there are unknown risks and dangers to physical and mental well-being that he is in fact making it up as he goes along is a crime against humanity. > > > > > > - > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. >
[FairfieldLife] Raw milk: the udder truth
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2007/01/19/raw_milk/index.html
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Death and Stuff
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:05 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Death and Stuf> I don't know about Jane Hopson. I think Jane died of ALS - Lou Gehrig's disease.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New TM school in KS to cost $500 million - top students know Geography
Lebanon KS has population of 303. Athol KS, the nearest town, has a population of 51. By contrast Fairfield IA has 9,509 people. Topeka KS is 220 miles (4 hours) from Lebanon KS. Topeka is smaller than Cedar Rapids. And MUM students think they are in the boonies? At least MIU could build upon the existing Parsons Campus. So there were already Dormitories, Dining Hall, Classrooms, Library, Gymnasium, etc. Lebanon Kansas has nothing. There is NOTHING to do there in Kansas. Any students (much less the top students) who go there will lack intellectual and cultural stimulation, and leave. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 19, 2007, at 4:31 PM, bob_brigante wrote: > > > I think the most likely outcome is that the TMO will get a few > > concessions from local authorities and the state of KS for a token > > presence here in hopes that someday a big school, which would be good > > for the economy of KS, actually does appear in the weeds. > > I hope it's somewhere near Topeka. That way, when the delusions > finally give way to something approaching reality, they can just pop on > over to Menninger's. > > Sal >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
On Jan 19, 2007, at 11:05 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Jan 19, 2007, at 9:59 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote: Why doesn't anyone ever name names on this site. Who is dying and who shot themselves? M2, you're on campus, right? Heard anything about any suicides? I haven't, and there hasn't been anything in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page news in a town this size. That's because they're just *unstressing* -- it's just the nervous system purifying! In a Vedic city, these things are normal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Death and Stuff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine > > > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:33 AM > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Death and Stuff > > > > > > > He has known for about a year and hasn't even told his family. He > > > goes > > > > to the dome and is happy. > > > > > > If he's happy, great--we should all be so lucky. Is he getting any > > > support from the TMO? > > > > > > Haven't heard. In fact, it would be interesting to know what kind of > support > > other notables who've died received. Skip Alexander, Jane Hopson, etc. > > > Notables in the tmo tend to have money which helps in that situation. >The problem is with purushas and MDs (and other full timer staff) > who get kicked off if diagnosed with a disease and they have little to > no money and are generally estranged from their families I'm sure it varies from person to person, but the only members of Purusha I know/knew were people like Rick Archer, George Brown, and the like. Rick can speak for himself, but George Brown's family was entirely supportive of his involvement with Purusha, at least according to his sisters. - their > spiritual group was their family but that's taken from them when they > get sick which is the time they need that kind of support. OFten they > still have ideas about ayurved or yagyas curing them which motivates > them to make foolish treatment choices. PLus they're out in the world > maybe for the first time in decades which would be difficult enough > for them even without being sick. This has created a very difficult > situation for many people and it's only going to increase in frequency > as the baby boomers in the tmo approach their 60s. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] A. Of E. Techniques- Circa 1975
On Jan 20, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Peter wrote: This was not the most common A of E technique given out in '75. In fact, I've never heard of this specific technique before. MMY gave out many different ones and asked us to stay in touch with him by writing what our experiences were and sending him these reports. Here's the original: Full Age of Enlightenment Technique After T[ranscendental]M[editation]S[idhi]P[rogram]: Place attention on the following in sequence: Nostrils Lips Ears Eyes Between Brows Top of head Whole head Throat Chest Stomach Sides of the body Back Upper back Shoulder blades Upper arms Lower arms Palms Fingers Upper legs Ankles Feet Whole body Then have sequential and growing awareness of the following spaces, along with the mantras which follow: City you are in Country you are in Continent (North/SouthAmerica) Africa Europe Austral-Asia Whole world Earth and the Sun together The Solar System The Galaxy Clusters of Galaxies Whole Universe The Absolute The Whole Body Lokas (done simultaneously with the above): Om Bhu (mentally utter at level of clouds) Om Bhu Va (higher and higher) Om Sva Om Maha Om Jana Om Tapa Om Sat Yam (pron: Om Sut Yum) When you utter "Sat Yam" place attention on the top of your head. Have an awareness of the Whole Body. Sutra: Soma, soma, soma. Rest 5-10 minutes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Death and Stuff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine > > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:33 AM > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Death and Stuff > > > > > He has known for about a year and hasn't even told his family. He > > goes > > > to the dome and is happy. > > > > If he's happy, great--we should all be so lucky. Is he getting any > > support from the TMO? > > > > Haven't heard. In fact, it would be interesting to know what kind of support > other notables who've died received. Skip Alexander, Jane Hopson, etc. > I don't know about Jane Hopson. Skip got his 15 minutes of fame though: http://www.springerlink.com/content/vd6c929y75u5/\ ?sortorder=asc&v=condensed&o=10 Volume 7, Number 4 / October, 2000 Journal Journal of Adult Development Publisher Springer Netherlands ISSN1068-0667 (Print) 1573-3440 (Online) Subject Behavioral Science Pages 189-290 SpringerLink Date Sunday, October 31, 2004 1. Add to marked items A Biographical Sketch of Charles "Skip" Alexander (19491998) Author Jane Schmidt-Wilk TextPDF (30 kb) 2. Add to marked items A Developmental Approach to Social Science: A Model for Analyzing Charles Alexander's Scientific Contributions Author William R. Torbert TextPDF (96 kb) 3. Add to marked items An Overview of Charles Alexander's Contribution to Psychology: Developing Higher States of Consciousness in the Individual and the Society Author David W. Orme-Johnson TextPDF (201 kb) 4. Add to marked items Attending to the Fine Feeling Level Author Frederick Travis TextPDF (19 kb) 5. Add to marked items Creating a Better World Author Marilyn Schlitz TextPDF (19 kb) 6. Add to marked items Introducing Executives to the Transcendental Meditation Program Author Mary Martha Stevens TextPDF (29 kb) 7. Add to marked items Life Lessons from Skip Author Dennis P. Heaton TextPDF (21 kb) 8. Add to marked items Mature Ego Development: A Gateway to Ego Transcendence? Author Susanne R. Cook-Greuter TextPDF (149 kb) 9. Add to marked items Mental Attention, Consciousness, and the Progressive Emergence of Wisdom Author Juan Pascual-Leone TextPDF (107 kb) 10. Add to marked items Moral Development and Higher States of Consciousness Authors Sanford I. Nidich, Randi J. Nidich and Charles N. Alexander TextPDF (106 kb) 11. Add to marked items One by One Author Toni Alazraki TextPDF (20 kb) 12. Add to marked items Preface Authors Susanne R. Cook-Greuter and Melvin E. Miller TextPDF (31 kb) 13. Add to marked items Skip AlexanderA Visionary and a Warrior Author Jim Fairchild TextPDF (20 kb) 14. Add to marked items Skip, Teaching from Bliss Author Jane Schmidt-Wilk TextPDF (22 kb) 15. Add to marked items Skip's Smile Author Klaus Volkamer TextPDF (19 kb) 16. Add to marked items Spiritual Seeker and Psychologist Authors Charles N. "Skip" Alexander and Victoria K. Alexander TextPDF (30 kb) 17. Add to marked items This-worldly Mysticism: Inner Peace and World Transformation in the Work and Life of Charles "Skip" Alexander Author Jeffrey C. Alexander TextPDF (52 kb) 18. Add to marked items Transforming Corporate Consciousness Author Franz-Theo Gottwald TextPDF (21 kb) 19. Add to marked items Tribute to Dr. Charles Alexander Author Bevan Morris TextPDF (19 kb)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > M2, you're on campus, right? Heard anything about any > > > > > suicides? I haven't, and there hasn't been anything > > > > > in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page > > > > > news in a town this size. > > > > > > > > I think this rumor may have been started by > > > > Knapp on his blog: > > > > > > > > Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide > > > > > > > > Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM > > > > > > Doug's post to FFL containing the rumor is dated earlier > > > than that blog entry: > > > > > > Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:42 am > > > > > > I'm more inclined to believe he reposted on his blog the > > > rumor he read on FFL. > > > > I noticed this, too, just as I did my research > > after reading the first mention of the rumor > > here by searching the online version of the > > Fairfield Ledger. I couldn't find anything there > > or on Google or in any of the neighboring Iowa > > papers, so I chalked it up as a rumor, and didn't > > bother to comment on it here. Especially because > > a few others had already done so, asking for > > validation of the rumor. > > > > Compare and contrast to (what appears to be) John > > Knapp reading the rumor here, wanting to believe > > it were true and thus *not* doing his research, > > and printing it on his blog as truth. > > > > Also compare and contrast to one person here, > > reading John Knapp's blog and finding his version > > of the rumor, wanting to believe it was the source > > and thus *not* doing her research by checking the > > timestamps, and starting her own rumor that John > > was the original source of the first rumor. > > > > It seems to me that in both of those cases what > > is going on is a person who 1) has an agenda, > > and 2) is willing to forward or start rumors > > that *further* that agenda, without bothering > > to verify their validity. > > > > Fanatics "against," fanatics "for." Same modus > > operandi. > > > > Eh. If you're talking about me, I never noticed the > time-stamps or I would have said something. I don't think Barry believes you're a girl, Lawson. Although with Barry, you never know...
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree. A .44 is a nasty canon. I like a .45. Keeps > the heathens at bay. 9 mils are for the Pelosi crowd, > tree-huggers and those that complain about global > warming. Bah. GIve me the handgun developed to handle the Visiters in Alien Nation any day...
[FairfieldLife] Re: A. Of E. Techniques- Circa 1975
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > > > This was not the most common A of E technique given > > out in '75. In fact, I've never heard of this specific > > technique before. MMY gave out many different ones and > > asked us to stay in touch with him by writing what our > > experiences were and sending him these reports. > > > pure, unmitigated evil! > On par with the execution of millions of Jews, for sure for sure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Death and Stuff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 20, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > My sources tell me that: > > 1. No one on campus committed suicide. > > Good to hear and pretty much what I figured. But the real question, > Rick, is...what does the Magic 8-Ball say? > > > 2. There is a guy living in Utopia Park who's dying slowly (aren't we > > all?). > > I was thinking that as well. > > > He has known for about a year and hasn't even told his family. He goes > > to the dome and is happy. > > If he's happy, great--we should all be so lucky. Is he getting any > support from the TMO? If he hasn't even told his maily, what makes yo think that the TMO has been notified? And what support do y ou think the TMO should be giving him and why? For instance, is it a progressively deteriorating condition where he willneed more and more life support? Should the TMO provide that? Etc. > > > > BTW, "Death and Stuff" was the name a friend of mine came up with for > > a hypothetical trendy Georgetown mortuary. Anyone looking for a hot > > business idea? > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'China- Shifting the Balance of Power'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Times January 20, 2007 > Assume nothing: power plays today will have unexpected outcomes > tomorrowDavid Rothkopf and Jonathan Schmidt > Current affairs may mask events of greater importance > > The issues and the people > So much is written so often about power that it is surprising how little we > seem to understand it. Important shifts in power often take place in the shadows, beyond our view. As a consequence, sometimes we fail to understand them as they are happening and it takes decades or centuries before we truly grasp what has transpired. > In 1991, the news story of the year was the fall of the Soviet Union. The > Cold War was over and the geopolitical balance of power of the world had shifted profoundly. Yet that same year, the recent brainchild of a self-effacing English physicist named Tim Berners- Lee, something that he called the "world wide web", was made available to the public. Certainly, the collapse of the Soviet Union represented a sea-change in the global distribution of power, but 100 years from now, which of these events will be seen as touching more lives, empowering more individuals, changing the world in more ways? Indeed, even today it seems clear that one reason among the many for the downfall of Soviet communism was the impossibility of closed societies competing in the information age. Obviously, 1945 is remembered for the end of the Second World War, but, following our reasoning above, might it also be remembered perhaps more than it is for the publication of an article in Atlantic > Monthly by the prescient Vannevar Bush describing some of the core ideas > that ultimately led to the internet? At the time, computers barely existed. Who could imagine the power of his ideas, or the power that his ideas would create or shift? There are countless such examples throughout history. Could anyone have foretold that the ascension of Augustus as Rome's first Emperor would have been transcended in terms of lasting impact upon the continent on which he was the greatest ruler ever by the birth of an obscure Jew somewhere in far off Judea? Or that with the death of Zheng He, the Muslim admiral who led China's "age of exploration", in 1433 that the Emperor of China would choose a course of isolation that ultimately would result in the decline of the Ming Dynasty and forestall China's engagement in the world as a great power by almost six centuries? Part of the reason that predicting the consequences of power shifts is so difficult is that power flows from so many > sources. Political and military power may be pre-eminent in our thinking, > but religion, science, technology, the environment, social trends and countless other drivers shape the fate of rulers, trigger conflicts and lead to the ebb and flow of the power of states, economic entities and peoples. In fact, the power structure of the world is much like that of a complex atom, whirring at many levels, with events at one often triggering changes at the others. So it is today. Speaking about the changing global power equation, as participants will do at the upcoming annual meeting of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, it is natural for thoughts to turn first to questions about the sustainability of a unipolar world and the limitations we have all learnt that constrain the sole superpower that survived the end of the Cold War the United States. One can also wonder if a focus on the upheaval in the Middle East masks other developments of greater importance in the In fact, one of the main neocon rationales for invading Iraq was to establish American military bases in a Moslem/Arab country friendly to the USA in order to be able to project credible military power/influence over China.
[FairfieldLife] Raising the flag of the GCWP
http://vedichealth-ct.org/ipw-web/gallery/Flag-Raising
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM's confusing guide to higher consciousness unraveled....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > snip > > The seven states of consciousness are identified, according to the > MUM style guide, as: > > > > http://resources.mum.edu/manuals/styleguide.pdf > > Turiya Chetanå (Transcendental Consciousness) > > Turiyåtit Chetanå (Cosmic Consciousness) > > Bhagavad Chetanå (God Consciousness) > > Bråhmi Chetanå (Unity Consciousness) > > > Seems to me that these terms should be traceable to one or more > sanskrit sources. > > Turiya, for instance, is found in one of the Upanishads. > > > Brahmi Chetana or Brahman Consciousness, Maharishi himself refers to > as *Cosmic Consciousness* in Love and God! Let me attempt to remove > the confusion, when MMY talks about CC, if it's on the level of the > individual he means simply Self-Realization or soul/jiva realization. > > When he speaks of Bråhmi Chetanå (Unity) then he is *still* speaking > of CC, but at the level of Brahman, get it? > > Remember Jiva and Brahman are different terms signifying different > degrees and quality of the one Cosmic Being... > > MMY repeatedly refers to Brahman as the state of Cosmic Consciousness > which is consistent terminology with other groups. (See Gita CH V, > vs21 & ChII vs 72). > > It's confusing because the common nomenclature of Cosmic Consciousness > as the final and highest state of consciousness, is correct. But MMY > uses CC and UC interchangably and hence the confusion. > > CC essentially is what MMY says it is in Love and God, Purnam adah and > Purnam idam. (That Unmanifested Brahman is perfect and This Manifested > Brahman is also perfect.) This is COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS, the highest! > > Just remember, TC or CC, according to MMY is simply Brahman on the > level of the individual (jiva or soul) and therefore distinct in > quality and degree from Brahman chaitanya. See Gita VI vs3. > However, in the Gita, MMY makes a distinction between CC and GC, saying that they are both states where the subjective experience changes, hence his 4 states x 6 systems of Hindu philosophy = 24 possible Hindu interpretations of any verse thang... The four states of consciousness being waking, TC, CC and GC. He doesn't refer to Unity at all in this analysis, presumably because it subsumes the other 4 states of consciousness AND the 6 systems of philosophy as well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > wrote: > > > > Community? > > > > I understand that someone committed suicide on campus the other > >day, > > shooting themselves in the head. > > Om, check with the Sherriff dept.? They were serving a paper to > someone on campus, knocked on the door and heard a gunshot go off > inside. They were glad that it was not pointed at them. Instead it > was a self-inflicted 44 cal to the head. > > Yes with all the privacy rules now, it is interesting that no one can > comment on a public incident that did happened. Speak the sweet > truth? > > One of the Utopia Park employees was with the deputy when it > happened. Of course no names can be given so the deputies are very > careful in the recount but descriptive of something that evidently > happened this week. Everyone is cautious on all sides for different > reasons of privacy. > > I was hoping someone like Sal who is more connected up here could > come up with the name. It is a sad story and would be nice to know > the name to lend support to anyone if needed. > > -Doug in FF > A death can be reported. A suicide can also be reported. Are you sure it wasn't merely a self-inflicted injury, which can often be accidental (not that gunshot deaths aren't often accidental as well).
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > M2, you're on campus, right? Heard anything about any > > > > suicides? I haven't, and there hasn't been anything > > > > in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page > > > > news in a town this size. > > > > > > I think this rumor may have been started by > > > Knapp on his blog: > > > > > > Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide > > > > > > Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM > > > > Doug's post to FFL containing the rumor is dated earlier > > than that blog entry: > > > > Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:42 am > > > > I'm more inclined to believe he reposted on his blog the > > rumor he read on FFL. > > I noticed this, too, just as I did my research > after reading the first mention of the rumor > here by searching the online version of the > Fairfield Ledger. I couldn't find anything there > or on Google or in any of the neighboring Iowa > papers, so I chalked it up as a rumor, and didn't > bother to comment on it here. Especially because > a few others had already done so, asking for > validation of the rumor. > > Compare and contrast to (what appears to be) John > Knapp reading the rumor here, wanting to believe > it were true and thus *not* doing his research, > and printing it on his blog as truth. > > Also compare and contrast to one person here, > reading John Knapp's blog and finding his version > of the rumor, wanting to believe it was the source > and thus *not* doing her research by checking the > timestamps, and starting her own rumor that John > was the original source of the first rumor. > > It seems to me that in both of those cases what > is going on is a person who 1) has an agenda, > and 2) is willing to forward or start rumors > that *further* that agenda, without bothering > to verify their validity. > > Fanatics "against," fanatics "for." Same modus > operandi. > Eh. If you're talking about me, I never noticed the time-stamps or I would have said something.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2007, at 9:59 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote: > > > >> Why doesn't anyone ever name names on this site. Who is dying and > > > > who shot themselves? > > > > > > M2, you're on campus, right? Heard anything about any suicides? I > > > haven't, and there hasn't been anything in the papers either. > > Would > > > definitely be front-page news in a town this size. > > > > I think this rumor may have been started by > > Knapp on his blog: > > > > Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide > > > > Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM > > Doug's post to FFL containing the rumor is dated earlier than that > blog entry: > > Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:42 am > > I'm more inclined to believe he reposted on his blog the rumor he read > on FFL. > Rumors from FFL. Now THERE is a reliable source of information...
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I remember Knapp always walking around stridently as a Movement > minion while I was at Livingston Manor, like he had a pencil up his > butt. He doesn't seem to have changed his personality much. Once a > zealot, always a zealot I suppose. He strikes me as being in no less a state of polarity about TM as the most ardent TM TB; he's merely flipped from one extreme to the opposite extreme. And, he apparently fancies himself a therapist who specializes in helping people who have left the TM org. But, can someone in bondage to polarity who actively tries to recruit others into the same state of polarity truly offer any degree of real freedom as a therapist? I think a person who believes he was harmed by his involvement with TM would be better served by a therapist with some degree of equanimity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Death and Stuff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine > > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:33 AM > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Death and Stuff > > > > > He has known for about a year and hasn't even told his family. He > > goes > > > to the dome and is happy. > > > > If he's happy, great--we should all be so lucky. Is he getting any > > support from the TMO? > > > > Haven't heard. In fact, it would be interesting to know what kind of support > other notables who've died received. Skip Alexander, Jane Hopson, etc. > Notables in the tmo tend to have money which helps in that situation. The problem is with purushas and MDs (and other full timer staff) who get kicked off if diagnosed with a disease and they have little to no money and are generally estranged from their families - their spiritual group was their family but that's taken from them when they get sick which is the time they need that kind of support. OFten they still have ideas about ayurved or yagyas curing them which motivates them to make foolish treatment choices. PLus they're out in the world maybe for the first time in decades which would be difficult enough for them even without being sick. This has created a very difficult situation for many people and it's only going to increase in frequency as the baby boomers in the tmo approach their 60s.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Nisargadatta quote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The ordinary man is personally concerned, he counts his > > > > risks and chances, while the gnani remains aloof, sure > > > > that all will happen as it must; and it does not matter > > > > much what happens, for ultimately the return to balance > > > > and harmony is inevitable. The heart of things is at peace. > > > > > > Nice. I always liked this gem from Lao-tzu: > > > > > > "A good traveler has no fixed plans > > > and is not intent upon arriving." > > > > > > > > > Road Trip Mind, in only 13 words. > > > > > > No matter where you go, there you are... > > > Or aren't, depending on your state of > consciousness. :-) > > But do you have the answer to the koan > presented in that film: > > "What's in the big pink box, man?" > > :-) > I forgot.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Posted by John M. Knapp, >First there was the recent submission on the Transcendental Meditation Age > of Enlightenment techniques. Then followed the lively discussion pointing out that the Maharishi tried first one version then another on unsuspecting 6-Month course participants. > > The guy was basically making it up as he went along. If one thing didn't > work, why then he'd try something else. Older readers here may remember that the Maharishi referred to the Age of Enlightenment techniques and the later sidhis as "research experiments into consciousness" after all. > > As Joseppi justly pointed out, we were just lab rats to the Maharishi. Worse, > we were paying lab rats. We paid not only the equivalent of $25,000 in today's money, we paid in time from our lives. And some of us paid in psychological damage from "spiritual" experiments that the Maharishi had no idea how they would turn out. Until we lined up to sip the psychological Kool Aid. > > This isn't just morally wrong. It's criminal. > > After the Nazi horrors of World War II, during which Nazi scientists > experimented medically and psychologically on Jews and others, the world reacted with shock. They passed the Nuremberg Code of Ethics, parts of which were later incorporated into the Geneva Conventions. International law made it illegal to perform any type of human experimentation without the informed consent of participants. Informed consent requires that "test subjects" be told in advance that they are taking part in experimental procedures and the possible side effects. "Impermissible experiments" on humans explicitly included not just medical, but psychological experimentation as well. > > From the victims of the Maharishi's experiments known as the Fiuggi Flipouts, > to the course participants of the 6-Month Course, to the continuing experiments of Ayur Veda and even the million-dollar Raja course, the Maharishi is conducting impermissible experiments on unsuspecting human subjects. > > Not informing us that he is experimenting, that there are unknown risks and > dangers to physical and mental well-being that he is in fact making it up as he goes along is a crime against humanity. > As the former grants administrator to MIU said, Maharishi is far worse than Jim Jones... Does anyone really take these guys seriously?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered > > wrote: > > > > > > Judy, > > > > > > We didn't start the rumor, but did report. We picked up > > > the news from an anonymous submitter to the blog and then > > > read Doug Hamilton's posting on FFL. > > > > > > We later retracted the story because we couldn't confirm > > > it through authorities. > > > > > > We clearly made a mistake in publishing our post. We > > > believed we had two sources, but without names and details > > > and official confirmation we should not have posted the story. > > > > > > It's a mistake we will not make again. > > > > Tell us again about the time MMY was rumored > > to be sending small groups of fanatical true > > believers off to isolated camps in the jungle > > to await the nuclear holocaust, John. > > In other words, John can admit to making a > mistake by posting his (seemingly false) rumor, > but Judy cannot. What on earth makes you think we should trust John's story about having heard the rumor from somebody else? In any case, as you know, my comment had to do with his "never again" claim. He's been doing this kind of thing for well over 10 years; why should we assume he's suddenly going to stop now?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Nisargadatta quote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablusos108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > Just like the original quote Marek posted said: "The heart of > > things is at peace." > > "All is well, all manners of things are well." - Maharishi Actually that was Julian of Norwich, 14th century English mystic: "All will be well, and all will be well, and all manner of thing will be well."
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's a significant distortion of a post nearly 10 years ago. Just to follow up: That it was 10 years ago you were screeching hysterically about fanatical TMers being sent to isolated camps in the jungle to await the holocaust only makes my point for me: You're doing now the same thing you were doing then, trying to start rumors based on unconfirmed "information." Why we should expect that suddenly now you'd start being more careful about what you post, I'm not sure. And of course what I wrote wasn't a "distortion" at all, as we can all see from the quotes in my earlier post. So you've just confirmed what I said about your untrustworthiness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [I wrote:] > > Tell us again about the time MMY was rumored > > to be sending small groups of fanatical true > > believers off to isolated camps in the jungle > > to await the nuclear holocaust, John. > That's a significant distortion of a post nearly 10 years ago. >From one of your June 1996 posts to alt.meditation.transcendental (emphases added): "The Maharishi is SENDING SMALL GROUPS OF FANATICAL TRUE BELIEVERS OFF INTO THE JUNGLE with a nebulous mission and an apocalyptic vision. He's not saying if we're not careful, something will happen -- he's telling these people that war will break out at any minute. "If there's one thing we've learned from Jonestown, Aum Shinrikyo, Waco, Solar Temple, et al, is that doomsday scenarios like this are absolute pressure cookers for the true believers involved. "No matter what the Maharishi's motives are -- he may be pure as the driven snow for all I know -- I consider this a *very* dangerous situation. "I've received several reports of TMers selling homes, breaking up families, and so forth to go wait out the 'biological war' due within weeks. "Surely you can see that this is madness? "I don't dismiss the very real dangers of biological wars and genetic manipulation. I just don't confuse these important issues with what appear to be the delusions of a mad man leading blind followers into ISOLATED CAMPS TO AWAIT A HOLOCAUST. "Remember, up until the moment that the massacre at Jonestown took place, Jim Jones was considered a fine humanitarian -- perhaps at worst a little foolish. "If you *knew* that Jonestown would happen, wouldn't you risk raising a false alarm?" See the post on alt.meditation.transcendental: http://tinyurl.com/24z37e > You keep setting up straw dogs, Judy. I have little doubt > you will be able to knock them down. I didn't write the post, John, you did. The only thing I got wrong in my paraphrase was that it was a *biological* rather than a *nuclear* holocaust the fanatical TMers were to await in their isolated camps in the jungle. And, oh, yes, I misspoke when I suggested you had said it was "rumored." Actually you insisted it was very much for real. Anybody who wants to see more of the same, much of it even more hysterical than the above, can check the thread "Trancenet Alert" on alt.meditation.transcendental. "Press releases" about the impending disaster were posted to at least 10 newsgroups, including alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.meditation, alt.support.ex-cult, alt.journalism, alt.conspiracy, alt.politics.perot, alt.politics, alt.politics.europe, alt.politics.greens, and alt.politics.india. Here's more, where Knapp quotes himself in one of the pseudo-press releases about the same "crisis": John Knapp, editor of TranceNet, an Internet publication critical of the Maharishi, commented, "This is a very dangerous signal. Cult leaders frequently use apocalyptic announcements to 'gather the faithful.'" He pointed out that similar announcements preceded mass deaths at Jonestown, Waco, Aum Shinrikyo, and Solar Temple and other tragedies "This is a frightening turn of events," said John Knapp. "Anybody who lived through Jonestown and Aum can't fail to see the parallels. The Maharishi is creating small isolated groups of dedicated fanatics. Without contact with the outside world, they're being charged to carry out a mysterious apocalyptic vision. The Maharishi has never before painted such a doomsday scenario in my experience. It looks very bad. I hope that the authorities and the media take this situation very seriously so that a tragedy may be avoided." alt.meditation.transcendental: http://tinyurl.com/2za6yb What Knapp is referring to is one of MMY's projects, which involved governor couples setting up Maharishi Vedic Universities in various places in the third world (cities, not "jungles") to teach the populace TM. And yet another "press release" with instructions for what to do "during this crisis": FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE What You Can Safely Do During This Crisis SAN FRANCISCO, Calif. -- June 11, 1996 Help Avert Another Jonestown Spread the Word Distribute this press release to every Usenet group and email address you believe would have a sincere interest. (Please avoid unjustified spamming -- this will make us more enemies than friends on the Net.) Gather Information Call your local Maharishi Vedic University (TM center) and ask for details about the Maharishi Vedic University Project. Call the President's Office of Maharishi University of Management, 515.472.1187, and ask for information. Also, TranceNet will posting frequent bulletins during this crisis. Send Information to TranceNet Whatever verifiable information you gather, send to TranceNet, via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED], via fax at 707.996.5560, via snailmail or courier at TranceNet, 1034 First Street West, Sonoma, CA 95476. Call Frie
[FairfieldLife] 'Intentions & Interests of US, China, and Russia'
The last of the three super-powers... We need to study their strategy, in the light; Of current events, and in relation to Iran. Iran, seems to be at the center of the storm, In the West. Taiwan, seems to be at the center of the storm; In the East. By showing their 'ace in the hole', by blowing up their satellite; China showed its pride, but at what price? By invading Iraq, the US showed it's pride, but at what price? By selling arms to Iran, Russia showed it's pride, but at what price? Real leadership, needs to be sharp, focused and realistic, about our enemy's and our own self-interest. We are in a time which mirrors the factors of WWII. What was needed then, and what is need now, is the reassuring: 'Fireside chat, in the US, and perhaps a comforting leader to come forth, From Europe. - Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree. A .44 is a nasty canon. I like a .45. Keeps > the heathens at bay. 9 mils are for the Pelosi crowd, > tree-huggers and those that complain about global > warming. I pity the fool who finds himself on the receiving end of a 9mm Hydra-Shok JHP.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007
Why was he experimenting anyway? A true acharya knows what effect techniques have as they have been passed down through the tradition and thus time tested. So we must gather that Maharishi never achieved acharya level and is not that much different from a new agers messing around with mantras and techniques they get out of a book and forming their own "mystery school." God knows we have a lot of those kind of people nowadays. Robert Gimbel wrote: > Posted by John M. Knapp, >First there was the recent submission on the Transcendental Meditation Age > of Enlightenment techniques. Then followed the lively discussion pointing out > that the Maharishi tried first one version then another on unsuspecting > 6-Month course participants. > > The guy was basically making it up as he went along. If one thing didn't > work, why then he'd try something else. Older readers here may remember that > the Maharishi referred to the Age of Enlightenment techniques and the later > sidhis as "research experiments into consciousness" after all. > > As Joseppi justly pointed out, we were just lab rats to the Maharishi. Worse, > we were paying lab rats. We paid not only the equivalent of $25,000 in > today's money, we paid in time from our lives. And some of us paid in > psychological damage from "spiritual" experiments that the Maharishi had no > idea how they would turn out. Until we lined up to sip the psychological Kool > Aid. > > This isn't just morally wrong. It's criminal. > > After the Nazi horrors of World War II, during which Nazi scientists > experimented medically and psychologically on Jews and others, the world > reacted with shock. They passed the Nuremberg Code of Ethics, parts of which > were later incorporated into the Geneva Conventions. International law made > it illegal to perform any type of human experimentation without the informed > consent of participants. Informed consent requires that "test subjects" be > told in advance that they are taking part in experimental procedures – and > the possible side effects. "Impermissible experiments" on humans explicitly > included not just medical, but psychological experimentation as well. > > >From the victims of the Maharishi's experiments known as the Fiuggi > >Flipouts, to the course participants of the 6-Month Course, to the > >continuing experiments of Ayur Veda and even the million-dollar Raja course, > >the Maharishi is conducting impermissible experiments on unsuspecting human > >subjects. > > Not informing us that he is experimenting, that there are unknown risks and > dangers to physical and mental well-being – that he is in fact making it up > as he goes along – is a crime against humanity. > > > > > > - > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
On Jan 20, 2007, at 1:03 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: > Then she offered, "But do you want to know > about our community suicides of the last > year or two? .. one woman put her head in > an oven, another man hanged himself in his > basement, and someone jumped in front of a > moving train. It's all so sad." I noticed that too, and couldn't believe that's what passes for credible information. I think what that is is a distillation of several TM suicides over a period of many years. Don't know anything about the oven story, but I do think someone in the DC community hanged himself--a *long* time ago. And I'm not sure about the train story, but I think that was also a long time ago here in FF--if at all. The idea that any of these things could happen recently and nobody would have heard of them is idiocy. Either that's a fake conversation, or the person doing the talking as well as the one doing the reporting needs to, I don't know--maybe get a life? > Hint: I think it's nice to claim that you > published a "retraction," but other than > this post to FFL, I don't see one. So far > there have been two different stories pre- > sented here on FFL -- one claiming informa- > tion from the Sheriff's office that such an > event did take place, and others suggest- > ing that it didn't. I suggest that we all > wait to see which is which and then those > who were mistaken can say so clearly, not > with a cheap-shot "Yeah, I might have been > wrong about that first smut I posted, but > here's some more smut for you." > > That's a trick you *learned* from Judy, John. > If you don't want to be considered to be just > like her, you'll do a better job with your > next retraction, or avoid having to make one. > > For a blog that claims to be "99 and 44/100ths > TM-free," that 56th of a percent is looking > more than a little obsessive.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Judy, > > We didn't start the rumor, but did report. We picked up the news from > an anonymous submitter to the blog and then read Doug Hamilton's > posting on FFL. > > We later retracted the story because we couldn't confirm it through > authorities. > > We clearly made a mistake in publishing our post. We believed we had > two sources, but without names and details and official confirmation > we should not have posted the story. > > It's a mistake we will not make again. You will do anything to harm yourself, no ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel > wrote: > > > > Posted by John M. Knapp, > >First there was the recent submission on the Transcendental > Meditation Age of Enlightenment techniques. Then followed the lively > discussion pointing out that the Maharishi tried first one version > then another on unsuspecting 6-Month course participants. > > > > The guy was basically making it up as he went along. If one thing > didn't work, why then he'd try something else. Older readers here > may remember that the Maharishi referred to the Age of Enlightenment > techniques and the later sidhis as "research experiments into > consciousness" after all. > > > > As Joseppi justly pointed out, we were just lab rats to the > Maharishi. Worse, we were paying lab rats. We paid not only the > equivalent of $25,000 in today's money, we paid in time from our > lives. And some of us paid in psychological damage from "spiritual" > experiments that the Maharishi had no idea how they would turn out. > Until we lined up to sip the psychological Kool Aid. > > > > This isn't just morally wrong. It's criminal. > > > > After the Nazi horrors of World War II, during which Nazi > scientists experimented medically and psychologically on Jews and > others, the world reacted with shock. They passed the Nuremberg Code > of Ethics, parts of which were later incorporated into the Geneva > Conventions. International law made it illegal to perform any type > of human experimentation without the informed consent of > participants. Informed consent requires that "test subjects" be told > in advance that they are taking part in experimental procedures > and the possible side effects. "Impermissible experiments" on humans > explicitly included not just medical, but psychological > experimentation as well. > > > > From the victims of the Maharishi's experiments known as the > Fiuggi Flipouts, to the course participants of the 6-Month Course, > to the continuing experiments of Ayur Veda and even the million- > dollar Raja course, the Maharishi is conducting impermissible > experiments on unsuspecting human subjects. > > > > Not informing us that he is experimenting, that there are unknown > risks and dangers to physical and mental well-being that he is in > fact making it up as he goes along is a crime against humanity. > > > > > I remember Knapp always walking around stridently as a Movement > minion while I was at Livingston Manor, like he had a pencil up his > butt. He doesn't seem to have changed his personality much. Once a > zealot, always a zealot I suppose. This fellow, as many others, are attracted by the smell of $; they think they have hit an opportunity. They have nowhere to go, and will get nowhere. If they sue the Movement they will loose, and having the thought in mind to harm Maharishi, they do even more damage to their own future lives. Simple rules of Karma really.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered > wrote: > > > > Judy, > > > > We didn't start the rumor, but did report. We picked up > > the news from an anonymous submitter to the blog and then > > read Doug Hamilton's posting on FFL. > > > > We later retracted the story because we couldn't confirm > > it through authorities. > > > > We clearly made a mistake in publishing our post. We > > believed we had two sources, but without names and details > > and official confirmation we should not have posted the story. > > > > It's a mistake we will not make again. > > Tell us again about the time MMY was rumored > to be sending small groups of fanatical true > believers off to isolated camps in the jungle > to await the nuclear holocaust, John. In other words, John can admit to making a mistake by posting his (seemingly false) rumor, but Judy cannot. Instead, when called on posting a seemingly equally false rumor, she re-attacks, and redoubles her efforts to discredit John. That said, Gina's post on TM-Free hardly con- stitutes a "retraction," John. It's a Judy- style "retraction," saying in essence, "Ooops, we may have screwed up by publishing this bad stuff, but here is some *other* bad stuff you should know about the group we're dedicated to writing bad stuff about." To wit: Follow Up on Rumored MUM Suicide January 2007 Posted by Gina at 1/20/2007 01:42:00 AM My good friend in Fairfield checked with TM "village criers." There is no word about a recent suicide on MUM campus. She said they calmly responded, "THAT one is just a rumor." They continued with their cafe' dinner. Suicides and other tragic stories of medical & financial neglect are common features of TM Organization life. Then she offered, "But do you want to know about our community suicides of the last year or two? .. one woman put her head in an oven, another man hanged himself in his basement, and someone jumped in front of a moving train. It's all so sad." Hint: I think it's nice to claim that you published a "retraction," but other than this post to FFL, I don't see one. So far there have been two different stories pre- sented here on FFL -- one claiming informa- tion from the Sheriff's office that such an event did take place, and others suggest- ing that it didn't. I suggest that we all wait to see which is which and then those who were mistaken can say so clearly, not with a cheap-shot "Yeah, I might have been wrong about that first smut I posted, but here's some more smut for you." That's a trick you *learned* from Judy, John. If you don't want to be considered to be just like her, you'll do a better job with your next retraction, or avoid having to make one. For a blog that claims to be "99 and 44/100ths TM-free," that 56th of a percent is looking more than a little obsessive.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Nisargadatta quote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "qntmpkt" wrote: > > > > > > ---"Everything happens as it must" is a ridiculous Neo-Advaitin > > > tautology conveying no useful information; and it's not provable > or > > > disprovable. > > > > I wonder if it has more to do with attachment > > vs. nonattachment. If "everything happens as it > > must" is your *experience*, then when something > > doesn't go the way you expect or want, you don't > > get all uptight about it. > > > Just like the original quote Marek posted said: "The heart of things > is at peace." "All is well, all manners of things are well." - Maharishi
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
That's a significant distortion of a post nearly 10 years ago. You keep setting up straw dogs, Judy. I have little doubt you will be able to knock them down. John M. Knapp, LMSW http://tmfree.blogspot.com/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered > wrote: > > > > Judy, > > > > We didn't start the rumor, but did report. We picked up the news > from > > an anonymous submitter to the blog and then read Doug Hamilton's > > posting on FFL. > > > > We later retracted the story because we couldn't confirm it through > > authorities. > > > > We clearly made a mistake in publishing our post. We believed we had > > two sources, but without names and details and official confirmation > > we should not have posted the story. > > > > It's a mistake we will not make again. > > Tell us again about the time MMY was rumored > to be sending small groups of fanatical true > believers off to isolated camps in the jungle > to await the nuclear holocaust, John. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: "No man cometh unto the Father (Brahman) except thru me...."
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As Jesus, the Christed one, so well put it, the Christ in him was one > with the Absolute, (CC) > and like Jesus we must realize 'Christ' in us (as God Consciousness, > personal) BEFORE we can become one with the Father, Brahman or > impersonal God. > > Christ Chaitanya (consciousness) is awareness of the personal God IN > creation (manifest). Christ means simply 'annointed one', so we must > become Christed like Jesus before we can reach Cosmic Consciousness or > oneness (Unity) with the Father. > > God consciousness is awareness of the universal Soul of Creation, it > is essentially formless consciousness (chaitanya), it can take ANY form! > > Unity or CC is awareness of Brahman beyond creation and ultimately as > both, the manifest God AND the unmanifest God together, this teaching > (i.e. Jesus) is entirely missing from Maharishi's TMorg. For more information; please see: http://shareintl.org Jesus and The Christ are to different teachers altogether, though united in Masterhood. Of course Maharishi went beyond the teaching of Jesus, as Jesus where app. in CC at the crusification.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Judy, > > We didn't start the rumor, but did report. We picked up the news from > an anonymous submitter to the blog and then read Doug Hamilton's > posting on FFL. > > We later retracted the story because we couldn't confirm it through > authorities. > > We clearly made a mistake in publishing our post. We believed we had > two sources, but without names and details and official confirmation > we should not have posted the story. > > It's a mistake we will not make again. Tell us again about the time MMY was rumored to be sending small groups of fanatical true believers off to isolated camps in the jungle to await the nuclear holocaust, John.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
Judy, We didn't start the rumor, but did report. We picked up the news from an anonymous submitter to the blog and then read Doug Hamilton's posting on FFL. We later retracted the story because we couldn't confirm it through authorities. We clearly made a mistake in publishing our post. We believed we had two sources, but without names and details and official confirmation we should not have posted the story. It's a mistake we will not make again. Our apologies to anyone disturbed by the publishing of an apparently fictional event. John M. Knapp, LMSW http://tmfree.blogspot.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
TurquoiseB wrote: > You may have convinced yourself that your > agenda is against "liars" and "intellectually > dishonest" people, Judy, but I don't think > you've fooled many others. > So, it's all about Judy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Community? > > > And now also in utopia Park on campus is someone else, a longterm > movement person who is passing away of some disease process. No > money, no family, no primary care-giver, not able to hire anyone to > nurse him in the end. > The needs got figured out by friends this week. Bill Krist is in the final days with a brain tumor. In spirit and character he is doing well with it. Was moved to Parkview this week and is very fine with that. -Doug
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM's confusing guide to higher consciousness unraveled....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > snip > > > The seven states of consciousness are identified, according to > the > > MUM style guide, as: > > > > > > http://resources.mum.edu/manuals/styleguide.pdf > > > Turiya Chetanå (Transcendental Consciousness) > > > Turiyåtit Chetanå (Cosmic Consciousness) > > > Bhagavad Chetanå (God Consciousness) > > > Bråhmi Chetanå (Unity Consciousness) > > > > > Seems to me that these terms should be traceable to one or more > > sanskrit sources. > > > Turiya, for instance, is found in one of the Upanishads. > > > > > > Brahmi Chetana or Brahman Consciousness, Maharishi himself refers > to > > as *Cosmic Consciousness* in Love and God! Let me attempt to remove > > the confusion, when MMY talks about CC, if it's on the level of the > > individual he means simply Self-Realization or soul/jiva > realization. > > > > When he speaks of Bråhmi Chetanå (Unity) then he is *still* > speaking > > of CC, but at the level of Brahman, get it? > > > > Remember Jiva and Brahman are different terms signifying different > > degrees and quality of the one Cosmic Being... > > > > MMY repeatedly refers to Brahman as the state of Cosmic > Consciousness > > which is consistent terminology with other groups. (See Gita CH V, > > vs21 & ChII vs 72). > > > > It's confusing because the common nomenclature of Cosmic > Consciousness > > as the final and highest state of consciousness, is correct. But > MMY > > uses CC and UC interchangably and hence the confusion. > > > > CC essentially is what MMY says it is in Love and God, Purnam adah > and > > Purnam idam. (That Unmanifested Brahman is perfect and This > Manifested > > Brahman is also perfect.) This is COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS, the > highest! > > > > Just remember, TC or CC, according to MMY is simply Brahman on the > > level of the individual (jiva or soul) and therefore distinct in > > quality and degree from Brahman chaitanya. See Gita VI vs3. > > > Thanks for analyzing this so that it is clear. I too was confused by > this apparent inconsistency, and though it felt right intuitively to > conclude as you have, it is always satisfying to read the > justification for intuition. Thanks...I'm glad I'm not the only one who was racking his brain!!:-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Death and Stuff
> -Original Message- > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:33 AM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Death and Stuff > > > He has known for about a year and hasn't even told his family. He > goes > > to the dome and is happy. > > If he's happy, great--we should all be so lucky. Is he getting any > support from the TMO? > > Haven't heard. In fact, it would be interesting to know what kind of support other notables who've died received. Skip Alexander, Jane Hopson, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A. Of E. Techniques- Circa 1975
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This was not the most common A of E technique given > out in '75. In fact, I've never heard of this specific > technique before. MMY gave out many different ones and > asked us to stay in touch with him by writing what our > experiences were and sending him these reports. > pure, unmitigated evil!
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
Yeah the .45 is a real shooters gun. My friends who are really into competitions shoot that caliber. Fantastic accuracy. I opted for a Walther PPKS 380. I havn't shot it in years but it is a pleasure to shoot. I think a revolver is more practical for a self-defense piece but I was a target shooter. I used to go to a range that rented all the calibers so I could try them all. The 44 was so loud and there was a muzzle flash that was way too distracting for me to be accurate with it. Someone brought in an 9 mil Uzi with a 25 round clip once. It was semi-auto but when they kept it rolling you really wanted to hit the dirt. Cops who face those kind of guns on the street have balls of steel. It creates a primal terror to hear so many rounds go off. Shooting 38s in a 357 mag gun is a nice way to shoot. The heavy gun loaded with a lighter round helps you relax as you squeeze the trigger. I never could enjoy even a 357 mag round though. The kick was just too unpleasant for me to breath properly to be accurate. I guess my balls are of a softer alloy! But as Dirty Harry said "A man's got to know his limitations!" --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree. A .44 is a nasty canon. I like a .45. Keeps > the heathens at bay. 9 mils are for the Pelosi crowd, > tree-huggers and those that complain about global > warming. > > --- curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Suspiciously high caliber gun in this story. I've > > shot 44 mag rounds > > and it is a freak'n canon. Not a very enjoyable gun > > to shot for > > targets, and is overkill for self-defense. The > > kind of gun that > > someone who has a bunch of guns would have in his > > collection. In > > Utopia park? The mystery deepens! > > > > Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry: > > > > Scorpio freezes, looking at his gun, and Callahan > > utters the most > > famous lines in the movie: "I know what you're > > thinking. 'Did he fire > > six shots or only five?' Well, to tell you the > > truth, in all this > > excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as > > this is a .44 > > Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and > > would blow your > > head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a > > question: 'Do I feel > > lucky?' Well, do ya, punk?" > > > > > > (For detail nuts there is a 50 cal handgun now) > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "lurkernomore20002000" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "dhamiltony2k5" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Om, check with the Sherriff dept.? They were > > serving a paper to > > > > someone on campus, knocked on the door and heard > > a gunshot go off > > > > inside. They were glad that it was not pointed > > at them. Instead > > > it was a self-inflicted 44 cal to the head. > > > > > > > > Yes with all the privacy rules now, it is > > interesting that no one > > > can > > > > comment on a public incident that did happened. > > Speak the sweet > > > > truth? > > > > > > > > One of the Utopia Park employees was with the > > deputy when it > > > > happened. Of course no names can be given so > > the deputies are > > > very careful in the recount but descriptive of > > something that > > > evidently happened this week. Everyone is > > cautious on all sides for > > > different reasons of privacy. > > > > > > > > I was hoping someone like Sal who is more > > connected up here could > > > > come up with the name. It is a sad story and > > would be nice to > > > know the name to lend support to anyone if needed. > > > > > > > >This nicely ties up all the loose ends with the > > Purusha person > > > dying at Utopia park, the suicide, except that > > none of it is > > > confirmed except by Doug. Privacy rules when the > > police serve a > > > warrant and hear a gunshot? Come on. That ain't > > how it works. > > > This IS the stuff that makes the news. Come clean > > Doug. > > > > > > lurk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL >
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When something like this happens, we often > tend to think of what the suicide *symbolizes*, in > terms of our different beliefs or lack thereof. But > it's also good to remember that suicide is a great > deal more than a symbol, and affects a lot of very > real people, most of whom are caught unawares by > the action of someone they loved deeply. I had a > brother who committed suicide. It's a bitch to deal > with. My best thoughts and wishes to those who may > be dealing with it there. > Well said- I went through a similar experience, and you are right, the symbolic nature of the death obscures for those who didn't know the deceased the act felt in human terms by family and friends.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM's confusing guide to higher consciousness unraveled....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > snip > > The seven states of consciousness are identified, according to the > MUM style guide, as: > > > > http://resources.mum.edu/manuals/styleguide.pdf > > Turiya Chetanå (Transcendental Consciousness) > > Turiyåtit Chetanå (Cosmic Consciousness) > > Bhagavad Chetanå (God Consciousness) > > Bråhmi Chetanå (Unity Consciousness) > > > Seems to me that these terms should be traceable to one or more > sanskrit sources. > > Turiya, for instance, is found in one of the Upanishads. > > > Brahmi Chetana or Brahman Consciousness, Maharishi himself refers to > as *Cosmic Consciousness* in Love and God! Let me attempt to remove > the confusion, when MMY talks about CC, if it's on the level of the > individual he means simply Self-Realization or soul/jiva realization. > > When he speaks of Bråhmi Chetanå (Unity) then he is *still* speaking > of CC, but at the level of Brahman, get it? > > Remember Jiva and Brahman are different terms signifying different > degrees and quality of the one Cosmic Being... > > MMY repeatedly refers to Brahman as the state of Cosmic Consciousness > which is consistent terminology with other groups. (See Gita CH V, > vs21 & ChII vs 72). > > It's confusing because the common nomenclature of Cosmic Consciousness > as the final and highest state of consciousness, is correct. But MMY > uses CC and UC interchangably and hence the confusion. > > CC essentially is what MMY says it is in Love and God, Purnam adah and > Purnam idam. (That Unmanifested Brahman is perfect and This Manifested > Brahman is also perfect.) This is COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS, the highest! > > Just remember, TC or CC, according to MMY is simply Brahman on the > level of the individual (jiva or soul) and therefore distinct in > quality and degree from Brahman chaitanya. See Gita VI vs3. > Thanks for analyzing this so that it is clear. I too was confused by this apparent inconsistency, and though it felt right intuitively to conclude as you have, it is always satisfying to read the justification for intuition.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi, Nazis & Jews'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dissolve the notion that anyone can hurt you,. > This ultimately this removes the illusion, that anyone has power over you. > No one is holding a gun to anyone. > Whoever is stuck in victimization > For whatever reason that seems so justified, > Whether they blame the government for their problems, or their family, the ex-wife, the court system, demons or angels... > In the end, you are responsible > R.G. > Beautifully said!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
I agree. A .44 is a nasty canon. I like a .45. Keeps the heathens at bay. 9 mils are for the Pelosi crowd, tree-huggers and those that complain about global warming. --- curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Suspiciously high caliber gun in this story. I've > shot 44 mag rounds > and it is a freak'n canon. Not a very enjoyable gun > to shot for > targets, and is overkill for self-defense. The > kind of gun that > someone who has a bunch of guns would have in his > collection. In > Utopia park? The mystery deepens! > > Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry: > > Scorpio freezes, looking at his gun, and Callahan > utters the most > famous lines in the movie: "I know what you're > thinking. 'Did he fire > six shots or only five?' Well, to tell you the > truth, in all this > excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as > this is a .44 > Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and > would blow your > head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a > question: 'Do I feel > lucky?' Well, do ya, punk?" > > > (For detail nuts there is a 50 cal handgun now) > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "lurkernomore20002000" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "dhamiltony2k5" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Om, check with the Sherriff dept.? They were > serving a paper to > > > someone on campus, knocked on the door and heard > a gunshot go off > > > inside. They were glad that it was not pointed > at them. Instead > > it was a self-inflicted 44 cal to the head. > > > > > > Yes with all the privacy rules now, it is > interesting that no one > > can > > > comment on a public incident that did happened. > Speak the sweet > > > truth? > > > > > > One of the Utopia Park employees was with the > deputy when it > > > happened. Of course no names can be given so > the deputies are > > very careful in the recount but descriptive of > something that > > evidently happened this week. Everyone is > cautious on all sides for > > different reasons of privacy. > > > > > > I was hoping someone like Sal who is more > connected up here could > > > come up with the name. It is a sad story and > would be nice to > > know the name to lend support to anyone if needed. > > > > > >This nicely ties up all the loose ends with the > Purusha person > > dying at Utopia park, the suicide, except that > none of it is > > confirmed except by Doug. Privacy rules when the > police serve a > > warrant and hear a gunshot? Come on. That ain't > how it works. > > This IS the stuff that makes the news. Come clean > Doug. > > > > lurk > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Posted by John M. Knapp, >First there was the recent submission on the Transcendental Meditation Age of Enlightenment techniques. Then followed the lively discussion pointing out that the Maharishi tried first one version then another on unsuspecting 6-Month course participants. > > The guy was basically making it up as he went along. If one thing didn't work, why then he'd try something else. Older readers here may remember that the Maharishi referred to the Age of Enlightenment techniques and the later sidhis as "research experiments into consciousness" after all. > > As Joseppi justly pointed out, we were just lab rats to the Maharishi. Worse, we were paying lab rats. We paid not only the equivalent of $25,000 in today's money, we paid in time from our lives. And some of us paid in psychological damage from "spiritual" experiments that the Maharishi had no idea how they would turn out. Until we lined up to sip the psychological Kool Aid. > > This isn't just morally wrong. It's criminal. > > After the Nazi horrors of World War II, during which Nazi scientists experimented medically and psychologically on Jews and others, the world reacted with shock. They passed the Nuremberg Code of Ethics, parts of which were later incorporated into the Geneva Conventions. International law made it illegal to perform any type of human experimentation without the informed consent of participants. Informed consent requires that "test subjects" be told in advance that they are taking part in experimental procedures and the possible side effects. "Impermissible experiments" on humans explicitly included not just medical, but psychological experimentation as well. > > From the victims of the Maharishi's experiments known as the Fiuggi Flipouts, to the course participants of the 6-Month Course, to the continuing experiments of Ayur Veda and even the million- dollar Raja course, the Maharishi is conducting impermissible experiments on unsuspecting human subjects. > > Not informing us that he is experimenting, that there are unknown risks and dangers to physical and mental well-being that he is in fact making it up as he goes along is a crime against humanity. > > I remember Knapp always walking around stridently as a Movement minion while I was at Livingston Manor, like he had a pencil up his butt. He doesn't seem to have changed his personality much. Once a zealot, always a zealot I suppose.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Nisargadatta quote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "qntmpkt" wrote: > > > > ---"Everything happens as it must" is a ridiculous Neo-Advaitin > > tautology conveying no useful information; and it's not provable or > > disprovable. > > I wonder if it has more to do with attachment > vs. nonattachment. If "everything happens as it > must" is your *experience*, then when something > doesn't go the way you expect or want, you don't > get all uptight about it. > Just like the original quote Marek posted said: "The heart of things is at peace."
Re: [FairfieldLife] Death and Stuff
On Jan 20, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Rick Archer wrote: > My sources tell me that: > 1. No one on campus committed suicide. Good to hear and pretty much what I figured. But the real question, Rick, is...what does the Magic 8-Ball say? > 2. There is a guy living in Utopia Park who’s dying slowly (aren’t we > all?). I was thinking that as well. > He has known for about a year and hasn’t even told his family. He goes > to the dome and is happy. If he's happy, great--we should all be so lucky. Is he getting any support from the TMO? > > BTW, “Death and Stuff” was the name a friend of mine came up with for > a hypothetical trendy Georgetown mortuary. Anyone looking for a hot > business idea? > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
