[FairfieldLife] Killing time: tat savituH
Rgveda III 62 10:
tat savitur vareNiaM bhargo devasya dhiimahi
(perhaps a more natural word order:
tad devasya savitur vareNiaM bhargo dhiimahi)
pada-paaTha (word-reading):
tat; savituH; vareNyam; bhargaH; devasya; dhiimahi
Griffith's translation:
10 May we attain that excellent glory of Savitar[?] the God:
Glossary:
savitR [nom. sing: savitaa; gen. sing: savituH - card] m. a
stimulator , rouser , vivifier (applied to Tvasht2r2i) RV. iii ,
55 , 19 ; x , 10 , 5 ; N. of a sun-deity (accord. to Naigh.
belonging to the atmosphere as well as to heaven ; and sometimes in
the Veda identified with , at other times distinguishead from
Su1rya , ` the Sun ' , being conceived of and personified as the
divine influence and vivifying power of the sun , while Su1rya is
the more concrete conception ; accord. to Sa1y. the sun before
rising is called Savitr2i , and after rising till its setting
Su1rya ; eleven whole hymns of the RV. and parts of others [e.g. i ,
35 ; ii , 38 ; iii , 62 , 10-12 c.] are devoted to the praise of
Savitir2i ; he has golden hands , arms , hair c. ; he is also
reckoned among the A1dityas [q.v.] , and is even worshipped as ` of
all creatures ' , supporting the world and delivering his votaries
from sin ; the celebrated verse RV. iii , 62 , 10 , called %
{gAyatrI} and %{sAvitrI} [qq.vv.] is addressed to him) RV. c. c. ;
the orb of the sun (in its ordinary form) or its god (his wife is
Pr2is3ni) MBh. Ka1v. c. ; N. of one of the 28 Vya1sas VP. ; of
S3iva or Indra L. ; Calotrcpis Gigantea L. ; (%{-trI}) f. see below.
vareNya mfn. to be wished for , desirable , excellent , best among
(gen.) RV. c. c. ; m. a partic. class of deceased ancestors
Ma1rkP. ; N. of a son of Bhr2igu MBh. ; (%{A}) f. N. of S3iva's wife
L. ; n. supreme bliss VP. ; saffron L.
bhargas n. radiance , lustre , splendour , glory RV. Br. Gr2S3rS.
Up. [cf. Gk. $ ; Lat. {fulgur}] ; N. of a 227455[748 ,2] Brahma1
L. ; of a Sa1man La1t2y.
[I guess most of the conjugational forms below are
mighty rare...]
dhA 1 cl. 3. P. A1. %{da4dhAti} , %{dhatte4} RV. c. c. (P. du. %
dadhva4s} , %{dhattha4s} , %{dhatta4s} [Pa1n2. 8-2 , 38] ; pl. %
{dadhma4si} or %{-ma4s} , %{dhattha4} , %{dAdhati} ; impf. %
{a4dadhAt} pl. %{-dhur} , 2. pl. %{a4dhatta} or %{a4dadhAta} RV.
vii , 33 , 4 ; Subj. %{da4dhat} or %{-dhAt} [Pa1n2. 7-3 , 70
Ka1s3.] , %{-dhas} , %{-dhatas} , %{-dhan} ; Pot. %{dadhyA4t} ;
Impv. %{dAdhAtu} pl. %{-dhatu} ; 2. sg. %{dhehi4} [fr. %{dhaddhi} ;
cf. Pa1n2. 6-4 , 119] or %{dhattAt} RV. iii , 8 , 1 ; 2. pl. %
{dhatta4} , i , 64 , 15 , %{dhattana} , i , 20 , 7 , %{da4dhAta} ,
vii , 32 , 13 , or %{-tana} , x , 36 , 13 [cf. Pa1n2. 7-1 , 45
Sch.] ; p. %{da4dhat} , %{-ti} m. pl. %{-tas} ; A1. 1. sg. %{dadhe4}
[at once 3. sg. = %{dhatte4} RV. i , 149 , 5 c. and= pf.A1.] , 2.
sg. %{dha4tse} , viii , 85 , 5 or %{dhatse4} AV. v , 7 , 2 ; 2. 3.
du. %{dadhA4the} , %{-dhA4te} ; 2. pl. %{-dhidhve4} [cf. pf.] ; 3.
pl. %{da4dhate} RV. v , 41 , 2 ; impf. %{a4dhatta} , %{-tthAs} ;
Subj. %{da4dhase} , viii , 32 , 6 [Pa1n2. 3-4 , 96 Ka1s3.] ; Pot. %
{da4dhIta} RV. i , 40 , 2 or %{dadhIta4} , v , 66 , 1 ; Impv. 2. sg.
%{dhatsva} , x , 87 , 2 or %{dadhiSva} , iii , 40 , 5 c. ; 2. pl. %
{dhaddhvam} [Pa1n2. 8-2 , 38 Ka1s3.] or %{dadhidhvam} RV. vii , 34 ,
10 , c. ; 3. pl. %{dadhatAm} AV. viii , 8 , 3 ; p. %{da4dhAna}) ;
rarely cl. 1. P. A1. %{dadhati} , %{-te} RV. MBh. ; only thrice cl.
2. P. %{dhA4ti} RV. ; and once cl. 4. A1. Pot. %{dhAyeta} MaitrUp.
(pf.P. %{dadhau4} , %{-dhA4tha} , %{-dhatur} , %{-dhimA84} , %{-
dhur} RV. c. ; A1. %{dadhe4} [cf. pr.] , %{dadhiSe4} or %{dhiSe}
RV. i , 56 , 6 ; 2. 3. du. %{dadhA4the} , %{-dhA4te} , 2. pl. %
{dadhidhve4} [cf. pr.] ; 3. pl. %{dadhire4} , %{dadhre} , x , 82 ,
5 ; 6 , or %{dhire} , i , 166 , 10 c. ; p. %{da4dhAna} [cf. pr.] ;
aor. P. %{a4dhAt} , %{dhA4t} , %{dhA4s} ; %{adhu4r} , %{dhu4r} RV.
c. ; Pot. %{dheyAm} , %{-yur} ; %{dhetana} RV. TBr. ; 2. sg. %
{dhAyIs} RV. i , 147 , 5 ; Impv. %{dhA4tu} [cf. Pa1n2. 6-i , 8
Va1rtt. 3 Pat.] ; 2. pl. %{dhA4ta} or %{-tana} , 3. pl. %{dhAntu}
RV. ; A1. %{adhita} , %{-thAs} , %{adhItAm} , %{adhImahi} ,
%***{dhImahi}*** , %{dhimahe} , %{dhAmahe} RV. ; 3. sg. %{ahita} , %
{hita} AV. TA1r. ; Subj. %{dhe4the} RV. i , 158 , 2 , %{dhaithe} ,
vi , 67 , 7 ; Impv. %{dhiSvA84} , ii , 11 , 18 , c. ; P. %{adhat}
SV. ; %{dhat} RV. ; P. %{dhAsur} Subj. %{-sathas} and %{-satha}
RV. ; A1. %{adhiSi} , %{-Sata} Br. ; Pot. %{dhiSIya} ib. [P. vii ,
4 , 45] ; %{dheSIya} MaitrS. ; fut. %{dhAsyati} , %{-te} or %{dhAtA}
Br. c. ; inf. %{dhA4tum} Br. c. ; Ved. also %{-tave} , %{-
tavai4} , %{-tos} ; %{dhiya4dhyai} RV. ; Class. also %{-dhitum} ;
ind. P. %{dhitvA4} Br. ; %{hitvA} [Pa1n2. 7-4 , 42] , %{-dhA4ya} and
%{-dhA4m} AV.: Pass. %{dhIya4te} RV. c. [Pa1n2. 6-4 , 66] , p. %
{dhIya4mAna} RV. i , 155 , 2 [513,3] ; aor. %{a4dhAyi} , %{dhA4yi}
RV. [Pa1n2. 7-3 , 33 Ka1s3.] ; Prec. %{dhAsISTa} or %{dhAyiSISTa}
[vi , 4 , 62]) to put , place
[FairfieldLife] 'Kryptonite' discovered in mine
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6584229.stm 'Kryptonite' discovered in mine Kryptonite is no longer just the stuff of fiction feared by caped superheroes. A new mineral matching its unique chemistry - as described in the film Superman Returns - has been identified in a mine in Serbia. According to movie and comic-book storylines, kryptonite is supposed to sap Superman's powers whenever he is exposed to its large green crystals. The real mineral is white and harmless, says Dr Chris Stanley, a mineralogist at London's Natural History Museum. I'm afraid it's not green and it doesn't glow either - although it will react to ultraviolet light by fluorescing a pinkish-orange, he told BBC News. Rock heist Researchers from mining group Rio Tinto discovered the unusual mineral and enlisted the help of Dr Stanley when they could not match it with anything known previously to science. Once the London expert had unravelled the mineral's chemical make-up, he was shocked to discover this formula was already referenced in literature - albeit fictional literature. Towards the end of my research I searched the web using the mineral's chemical formula - sodium lithium boron silicate hydroxide - and was amazed to discover that same scientific name, written on a case of rock containing kryptonite stolen by Lex Luther from a museum in the film Superman Returns. The new mineral does not contain fluorine (which it does in the film) and is white rather than green but, in all other respects, the chemistry matches that for the rock containing kryptonite. The mineral is relatively hard but is very small grained. Each individual crystal is less than five microns (millionths of a metre) across. Elementary clash Identifying its atomic structure required sophisticated analytical facilities at Canada's National Research Council and the assistance and expertise of its researchers, Dr Pamela Whitfield and Dr Yvon Le Page. 'Knowing a material's crystal structure means scientists can calculate other physical properties of the material, such as its elasticity or thermochemical properties, explained Dr Le Page. Being able to analyse all the properties of a mineral, both chemical and physical, brings us closer to confirming that it is indeed unique. Finding out that the chemical composition of a material was an exact match to an invented formula for the fictitious kryptonite was the coincidence of a lifetime, he added. The mineral cannot be called kryptonite under international nomenclature rules because it has nothing to do with krypton - a real element in the Periodic Table that takes the form of a gas. Power possibilities Instead, it will be formally named Jadarite when it is described in the European Journal of Mineralogy later this year. Jadar is the name of the place where the Serbian mine is located. Dr Stanley said that if deposits occurred in sufficient quantity it could have some commercial value. It contains boron and lithium and two valuable elements with many applications, he explained. Borosilicate glasses are used to encapsulate processed radioactive waste, and lithium is used in batteries and in the pharmaceutical industries. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/sci/tech/6584229.stm Published: 2007/04/24 02:46:51 GMT © BBC MMVII
[FairfieldLife] Bond, but not James...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Google Maps
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go to: http://maps.google.com/ and and where it says Driving Directions enter in: New York, USA to London, England. Keep reading down until you come to the fun part. Uh, Salvatore, there IS no Driving Directions at that link.
[FairfieldLife] Re: when one looks to the sky for rain, the rain falls
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think most people on this group are far beyond falling for this stunt. OK. Though I am sure you are not offering that as support of your personal views. And I doubt they need you to articulate thier views. But if it floats your dingy ... It was just the context for the joke. It wouldn't be funny to a group of true believers. Interesting exchange- the longer one. And interesting that skeptics will take anecdotal evidence from a few people and pronounce Maharishi a liar, cheat and fraud. On the other hand we live on a planet saturated with greed and bloodshed and these same detractors of Maharishi's take this environment for granted. When did a gun or a fighter or a missle accomplish anything except more misery? And yet we hear little about that from these same detractors. And I'm not picking on you, Curtis, just using your ideas as an example. You perform practically next to the pentagon and haven't said anything against the immoral policies of that hellish institution- the countless billions we pay in taxes to help perpetuate the world's suffering. And yet, Maharishi comes out with plan after plan to better the world and all he harvests from some is unceasing criticism. Boy, talk about taking on the world's karma! His programs may not work for everyone and Lord knows the TMO makes plenty of mistakes, but the same can be said for every other institution on earth. Every one. So I'm watching and waiting and hoping and praying with those wanting world peace, who though it may be a rocky start, refuse to settle for the bloody greedy status quo. Jai Guru Dev.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Save the Dome, send $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You obvously did not pay attention; what looked like gold to you was bronze. I know because I did a lot of guilding for different suites. As for silk; do you know the silk pr. meter price in India ? Not very much. And since you are not abble to see the difference between gold and bronce, I wonder what you saw on the walls. You may be right about the bronze -- though I'm talking about LManor and repeating what head of renovation told me about sending fixtures out to be goldplated. More to the point here is the tmo's relationship with and use of money. 2 U.S. tmo entities, maharishi global development fund and maharishi vedic foundation, have transferred over $150 million out of their US acc'ts into offshore banking accounts in the channel islands in the past 4 yrs alone. There are many other tmo entities in the US who are surely transferring funds to what we used to call int'l as well, so it's probably close to $200 million going out of the US in recent yrs -- I don't have time to research guidestar.org that closely. Plus of course the monthly dome fees paid for yrs by dome goers. And still a special fundraising has to be had to keep the dome roofs from leaking.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Save the Dome, send $
FW: The Dome is at the heart and soul of our community, so please send your donation or pledge now so we can make the deposit required to make a repair appointment this summer. ... ... PS. ...Maharishi is allowing us the honor to carry on his very precious work. ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: You obvously did not pay attention; what looked like gold to you was bronze. I know because I did a lot of guilding for different suites. As for silk; do you know the silk pr. meter price in India ? Not very much. And since you are not abble to see the difference between gold and bronce, I wonder what you saw on the walls. You may be right about the bronze -- though I'm talking about LManor and repeating what head of renovation told me about sending fixtures out to be goldplated. More to the point here is the tmo's relationship with and use of money. 2 U.S. tmo entities, maharishi global development fund and maharishi vedic foundation, have transferred over $150 million out of their US acc'ts into offshore banking accounts in the channel islands in the past 4 yrs alone. There are many other tmo entities in the US who are surely transferring funds to what we used to call int'l as well, so it's probably close to $200 million going out of the US in recent yrs -- I don't have time to research guidestar.org that closely. Plus of course the monthly dome fees paid for yrs by dome goers. And still a special fundraising has to be had to keep the dome roofs from leaking.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 4 years to live
In a message dated 4/23/2007 11:40:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: FairfieldLife@ FairfieldLi FairfieldLife@WBRyahoogr FairfieldLife@ FairOn Behalf Of bob_brigante Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:25 PM To: FairfieldLife@ Fairfie Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 4 years to live _http://www.nytimes.http://wwhttp://www.nythttp://www._ (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/24/science/24bees.html) Reportedly Charlie Lutes said that bees come from Venus, so maybe the bees are just going back home. Lou, can you check with Charlie on this? I wish I could. I'll ask St. Anthony next time i get a reading. Although the person who does the soul transfer just had a stroke so hopfully she won't be following the bees back to Venus soon. She is getting old. Lsoma. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Save the Dome, send $
FW: The Dome is at the heart and soul of our community, so please send your donation or pledge now so we can make the deposit required to make a repair appointment this summer. ... ... PS. ...Maharishi is allowing us the honor to carry on his very precious work. ... Maharishi does not micro-manage? More to the point here is the tmo's relationship with and use of money. 2 U.S. tmo entities, maharishi global development fund and maharishi vedic foundation, have transferred over $150 million out of their US acc'ts into offshore banking accounts in the channel islands in the past 4 yrs alone. There are many other tmo entities in the US who are surely transferring funds to what we used to call int'l as well, so it's probably close to $200 million going out of the US in recent yrs - - I don't have time to research guidestar.org that closely. Plus of course the monthly dome fees paid for yrs by dome goers. And still a special fundraising has to be had to keep the dome roofs from leaking.
[FairfieldLife] Re: when one looks to the sky for rain, the rain falls
Interesting exchange- the longer one. And interesting that skeptics will take anecdotal evidence from a few people and pronounce Maharishi a liar, cheat and fraud. My criticism of selling yagyas comes from its theory as well as its practice. I don't know of any plausible theory of how offering, smoke and food to statues of Indians mythological characters can have an effect on the world without proposing a magical connection. (poetic physicsy sounding words don't cut it for me) MMY is selling an ancient religion's world view. I don't share it, so his sincerity or lack of it as he scoops up the bucks is irrelevant. Either way, IMO, he is selling false hope for cash to a world who needs some real solutions. I am of the opinion that this kind of religious belief is not helping the problems of the world, it is hurting them. Being critical of this type of thinking is a positive act for me. On the other hand we live on a planet saturated with greed and bloodshed and these same detractors of Maharishi's take this environment for granted. When did a gun or a fighter or a missle accomplish anything except more misery? When it is used to stop the expansion of tyrants. My Dad fought in such a war. Here in my city guns are often used to stop people who break the social contract and start shooting the place up. I am glad that there are areas of society who can open a can of wup-ass when needed. The current president's misuse of this power doesn't make it less valuable. Since the mythic God Krishna himself advocated killing I think your view is not only incorrect from my POV, it is inconsistent with the teachings of the Guru you are criticizing me for criticizing. MMY has been a military hawk for most of his life. And yet we hear little about that from these same detractors. And I'm not picking on you, Curtis, just using your ideas as an example. You perform practically next to the pentagon and haven't said anything against the immoral policies of that hellish institution- the countless billions we pay in taxes to help perpetuate the world's suffering. I am posting on a board related to MMY. I enjoy discussing philosophy and religion here. I am saturated with political opinions of every variety here in DC. I do not view the Pentagon as a hellish institution. I have not been a fan of the current administration, but I love being an American and I am proud to perform in its capital. I meet people from all over the world who flock here for good reason. And yet, Maharishi comes out with plan after plan to better the world and all he harvests from some is unceasing criticism. I disagree with this statement. I view MMY's motivations differently than you do. My criticism of MMY is IMO well earned. My small voice never penetrates his silk lined rooms. It is just something I do to express my own views and opinions just as you do. He is completely insulated from hearing any criticism and is giggling all the way to the bank. Boy, talk about taking on the world's karma! His programs may not work for everyone and Lord knows the TMO makes plenty of mistakes, but the same can be said for every other institution on earth. Every one. So I'm watching and waiting and hoping and praying with those wanting world peace, who though it may be a rocky start, refuse to settle for the bloody greedy status quo. Jai Guru Dev. I may not be an idealist in the same way Jim. I am comfortable with a perspective that world peace is not only not achievable, it stems from a misguided understanding of human nature. I wrote a post months ago about my view that world peace is not a proper goal. World stability as a dynamic tension between country's power is a goal that I can relate to. So when people try selling snake oil panaceas for the complex problems of world peace, I view this cynically, especially when the seller has not achieved peace in his own tiny organization. Praying or meditating for world peace is misguided, IMO, on every level. There is nothing intrinsically harmful in me being critical of MMY or his pie-in-the-sky-for-cash plans. It gives me a chance to write which is valuable for me. If MMY's theories about how the world operates were correct, then none of the money stuff would matter. I reject his theories of human consciousness as being incorrect. I think this new big idea is just another rally the few believers left attempt that I find comical. If MMY is correct in his view of how the world operates, then my criticism means nothing. If I am correct, then I am standing up for what is true against a man preaching (and charging for) ideas that are misguided. I was happy to leave my whole perspective packed into a quick joke about Bevan having to deliver yet another majestic plan for saving the world. This situation made me laugh out loud and I wanted to share that feeling with some other's who might find the same humor. I'll put you down for not so much. ---
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: when one looks to the sky for rain, the rain falls
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:09 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: when one looks to the sky for rain, the rain falls Interesting exchange- the longer one. And interesting that skeptics will take anecdotal evidence from a few people and pronounce Maharishi a liar, cheat and fraud. My criticism of selling yagyas comes from its theory as well as its practice. Snip In reading this, I was reminded of Maharishi's admission of doubt, expressed to Earl Kaplan in the midst of a planning session to raise millions more for the pundits, that large groups of pundits would actually have the predicted effect. See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/TMO%20--%20the%20Odd%20Sid e/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save the Dome, send $
In a message dated 4/23/2007 10:50:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Apr 23, 2007, at 8:27 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Pray for me that I can heal as soon as possible and get back to a more balanced sense of who I really am. Love and Light Lou. Fine, great, Lou, but can you do it the context of five posts. Believe you me, no one other than you probably feels that your great commentaries warrant more than five posts. Or to put it another way, if you can't strike gold in five posts, stop boring. Brevity is the soul of wit.--Shakespeare Actually, I find most of Lou's posts downright refreshing, especially next to some of the other tomes people post here on occasion.At least he speaks from the heart, not just reposting some endless transcript that goes on and on. Sal Sal, you are so kind. I was thinking yesterday that you and Rick are the only one's that get my sense of humor. There are some people on the FFL who take me so seriously. I agree that I can go on and need to get to the point with less information. Thank you for your insight and friendship. It means a lot to me these days. Even though I say negative things about the TMO, I do care about what MMY has done and continues to do for the world. I will start posting Questions from the Collective today regarding questions that most people have about TM, SCI, MMY and how it relates to FFL forum. I think you will love it because your the kind of person who wants to hear things that are outside of the box. Love and Light. Lou Valentino ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Excuses for manifesting negativity
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God knows there's no shortage of things to be outraged about. You just can't let 'em steal your peace of mind, nor can you let yourself use them as an excuse not to deal with your own stuff. Authfriend, What a mouthful! What a mouthful! What a mouthful! What a mouthful! I think the above words will resonate with most folks here -- they're wise. They speak for me. And, I'm going to use them to riff about words in general -- try to show that any communication is, well, a blasted miracle! It turns out that these words are, for me, a heavily populated conceptual universe, and the more I look at the words, the more I know that I know nothing except everything. Let's pretend that I wrote these words instead of you, Authfriend. That way, any traces of personal faulting must be about me. All I'm doing here is showing the tenuous ephemerality of communication, and that, when I approach any set of words, I'm really pushed hard to be certain I'm seeing something inside the writer's mind, instead of making up something I can pretend the words mean. It is s easy to say anything, and even mean it deeply, and yet, it is poetry, a song to one's self, not a communication. And, when receiving instead of sending, it seems even easier to read something and make it mean almost anything. So let me see if I can play -- merely play -- with these words to show how far afield I can get on the slippery slopes of poetic interpretations. When I attempt to deconstruct, my meanings begin to expand into everythingness. God knows -- Which God? -- suddenly no one has the same definition. How can I use the word at all? Turq sure has given us all a lot of important challenge on this, right? On the other hand, syntactically, it seems that the phrase God knows, is mainly being used as a soft explicative -- not a religious statement about God. Ambiguity is in the eye of the beholder. there's no shortage of things to be outraged about. -- this concept is said as advice I could give myself to use to tamp down or leash my rage? Hee hee! Look at the many issues and concepts of these words: 1. There's a million small reasons for raging -- ignore them! LOL So what that I'm undergoing the Chinese water torture -- each drop is only a drop, take life one manageable drop at a time! Anyone here thinking life in general isn't just such a torture? Anyone here been able to resist the milder forms of raging -- easy not to get physically violent, but how many of us have never yelled with the intensity of Alec Baldwin? 2. And look, it also hints that, morally, maybe just maybe, some things should be raged about -- some un-sweet truth must be manifested because, you know, if one decides that some line must be drawn in the sand, then have at it! Just ask Arjuna about the delicacy of having clarity about this. 3. The word, outraged, is used. Here's its dictionary meaning: out·rage (outrj) n. 1. An act of extreme violence or viciousness. 2. An act grossly offensive to decency, morality, or good taste. 3. A deplorable insult. 4. Resentful anger aroused by a violent or offensive act. Here we see that if our wisdom words are to be honored, we must admit that certain events righteously justify a spectrum of actions from, say, speaking louder to attempting murder. Anger symbolized (action based on a cognitive stance that an intense emotion is congruent with a concept) is allowed as a moral choice -- even a duty. In certain circumstances, some religions insist, one MUST INDULGE AND NURTURE rage -- saturate one's whole body/mind system with the concepts, issues and psycho-chemicals that accompany such mentation. See the devil, hate the devil. The world's religions each have defined the parameters of this concept -- killing is allowed under, well, a huge umbrella of reasons by most religions, but hating is far more restricted. Clear as mud, right? Makes it hard to be a conscientious objector, eh? Of course, we expect those who resort to deadly force as their expression of anger to, you know, not really be angry! Our soldiers must kill professionally damn it! The guy under the executioner's mask is just an ordinary Joe with a day job, right? No personal involvement, no glee in tawdry murder, only righteous honor from fighting the good fight and a compassionate sorrow for the fallen enemy who was so deluded. Yeah, right. You just can't let 'em steal your peace of mind, -- now these words insist that one has the ability to prevent -- suddenly free will rears like a cobra and hisses its seriousness. Yikes! My peace is being stolen, and I can cause, I have potency, so I'd better get with the program! These words could mean that peace is something one can own, hold on to, nurture. As if, eh? Holding my peace is like trying to grab an eel in a bucket of snot. I suppose it can be done -- in theory. And who, suddenly, is this they? Now we have the concept that another sentience is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Excuses for manifesting negativity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Whew, I'm exhausted. Did you really mean to stir up this stew, Authfriend, when you wrote those words? Uh. Don't miss the forest for the trees.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 4 years to live
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: According to Einstein humans have 4 years to live after the bees dissapear. Doesn't make sense. Most of our major food crops do not require bees for pollination. Only if you only eat and corn and junk food made from it, and other mass-produced crops that are causing detriment to the environment. For example, the other major pollinator at risk are butterflies, and monarch butterflies. Honeybees are arguably the insects that are most important to the human food chain. They are the principal pollinators of hundreds of fruits, vegetables, flowers and nuts. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/24/science/24bees.html OffWorld Also, it doesn't appear that Einstein ever said such a thing: http://www.snopes.com/quotes/einstein/bees.asp If the bees disappear, it'll cause a whole lot of problems, but not necessarily the extinction of humans. What's the latest on Bee populations worldwide? Anyone know? At last count, there were 593,675,248 bees left.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save the Dome, send $
On Apr 24, 2007, at 9:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sal, you are so kind. I was thinking yesterday that you and Rick are the only one's that get my sense of humor. There are some people on the FFL who take me so seriously. I agree that I can go on and need to get to the point with less information. Thank you for your insight and friendship. It means a lot to me these days. Even though I say negative things about the TMO, I do care about what MMY has done and continues to do for the world. I will start posting Questions from the Collective today regarding questions that most people have about TM, SCI, MMY and how it relates to FFL forum. I think you will love it because your the kind of person who wants to hear things that are outside of the box. Love and Light. Lou Valentino I think a lot of people here can relate to what you're saying, Lou--most of us have BTDT and understand the ambivalence towards the TMO and MMY. The main difference IMO is that many including me have given up on the whole thing, but you still haven't and more power to ya! Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: when one looks to the sky for rain, the rain falls
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting exchange- the longer one. And interesting that skeptics will take anecdotal evidence from a few people and pronounce Maharishi a liar, cheat and fraud. My criticism of selling yagyas comes from its theory as well as its practice. I don't know of any plausible theory of how offering, smoke and food to statues of Indians mythological characters can have an effect on the world without proposing a magical connection. (poetic physicsy sounding words don't cut it for me) MMY is selling an ancient religion's world view. I don't share it, so his sincerity or lack of it as he scoops up the bucks is irrelevant. Either way, IMO, he is selling false hope for cash to a world who needs some real solutions. I am of the opinion that this kind of religious belief is not helping the problems of the world, it is hurting them. Being critical of this type of thinking is a positive act for me. I can appreciate the act of being skeptical of something once bought hook line and sinker without any critical assessment, and that is good. In my case and others I've been aware of, there is often a 'boomerang' effect, or a tendency to later condemn *everything* which was at first accepted without question. Where my skepticism leaves me is quietly, not passing judgment on such huge initiatives as the accomplishment of world peace. It is too easy to buy it blindly or condemn it blindly. On the other hand we live on a planet saturated with greed and bloodshed and these same detractors of Maharishi's take this environment for granted. When did a gun or a fighter or a missle accomplish anything except more misery? When it is used to stop the expansion of tyrants. My Dad fought in such a war. Here in my city guns are often used to stop people who break the social contract and start shooting the place up. I am glad that there are areas of society who can open a can of wup-ass when needed. The current president's misuse of this power doesn't make it less valuable. Since the mythic God Krishna himself advocated killing I think your view is not only incorrect from my POV, it is inconsistent with the teachings of the Guru you are criticizing me for criticizing. MMY has been a military hawk for most of his life. It is not the use of force I am objecting to. it is the mindset within the pentagon that weapons are the ultimate solution, that having been corrupted by endless amounts of taxpayers' dollars, those who would wage war now see everything as a target. It is no longer healthy or noble to support them. And yet we hear little about that from these same detractors. And I'm not picking on you, Curtis, just using your ideas as an example. You perform practically next to the pentagon and haven't said anything against the immoral policies of that hellish institution- the countless billions we pay in taxes to help perpetuate the world's suffering. I am posting on a board related to MMY. I enjoy discussing philosophy and religion here. I am saturated with political opinions of every variety here in DC. I do not view the Pentagon as a hellish institution. I have not been a fan of the current administration, but I love being an American and I am proud to perform in its capital. I meet people from all over the world who flock here for good reason. I am not knocking the USA either. I love my country too. However, be careful with regard to the propaganda ceaselessly promulgated by the military. They are basically a corporate enterprise now; death for profit. There is little nobility or idealistic fervor left in the military, unfortunately. It sure isn't the military of 60 years ago! And yet, Maharishi comes out with plan after plan to better the world and all he harvests from some is unceasing criticism. I disagree with this statement. I view MMY's motivations differently than you do. My criticism of MMY is IMO well earned. My small voice never penetrates his silk lined rooms. It is just something I do to express my own views and opinions just as you do. He is completely insulated from hearing any criticism and is giggling all the way to the bank. Again, be careful of that boomerang effect. In my experience, MMY is completely aware of what goes on in the world, including criticism aimed at him and his movement. There is no insulation as far as I can see. Anymore than GWB is insulated despite the attempts of his private army (aka secret svc) to insulate him. Boy, talk about taking on the world's karma! His programs may not work for everyone and Lord knows the TMO makes plenty of mistakes, but the same can be said for every other institution on earth. Every one. So I'm watching and waiting and hoping and praying with those wanting world peace, who though it may be a rocky start, refuse to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Killing time: tat savituH
--I recommend actually chanting the Gayatri mantra, also. Try it for
one month.
- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Rgveda III 62 10:
tat savitur vareNiaM bhargo devasya dhiimahi
(perhaps a more natural word order:
tad devasya savitur vareNiaM bhargo dhiimahi)
pada-paaTha (word-reading):
tat; savituH; vareNyam; bhargaH; devasya; dhiimahi
Griffith's translation:
10 May we attain that excellent glory of Savitar[?] the God:
Glossary:
savitR [nom. sing: savitaa; gen. sing: savituH - card] m. a
stimulator , rouser , vivifier (applied to Tvasht2r2i) RV. iii ,
55 , 19 ; x , 10 , 5 ; N. of a sun-deity (accord. to Naigh.
belonging to the atmosphere as well as to heaven ; and sometimes in
the Veda identified with , at other times distinguishead from
Su1rya , ` the Sun ' , being conceived of and personified as the
divine influence and vivifying power of the sun , while Su1rya is
the more concrete conception ; accord. to Sa1y. the sun before
rising is called Savitr2i , and after rising till its setting
Su1rya ; eleven whole hymns of the RV. and parts of others [e.g.
i ,
35 ; ii , 38 ; iii , 62 , 10-12 c.] are devoted to the praise of
Savitir2i ; he has golden hands , arms , hair c. ; he is also
reckoned among the A1dityas [q.v.] , and is even worshipped as `
of
all creatures ' , supporting the world and delivering his votaries
from sin ; the celebrated verse RV. iii , 62 , 10 , called %
{gAyatrI} and %{sAvitrI} [qq.vv.] is addressed to him) RV. c.
c. ;
the orb of the sun (in its ordinary form) or its god (his wife is
Pr2is3ni) MBh. Ka1v. c. ; N. of one of the 28 Vya1sas VP. ; of
S3iva or Indra L. ; Calotrcpis Gigantea L. ; (%{-trI}) f. see
below.
vareNya mfn. to be wished for , desirable , excellent , best among
(gen.) RV. c. c. ; m. a partic. class of deceased ancestors
Ma1rkP. ; N. of a son of Bhr2igu MBh. ; (%{A}) f. N. of S3iva's
wife
L. ; n. supreme bliss VP. ; saffron L.
bhargas n. radiance , lustre , splendour , glory RV. Br. Gr2S3rS.
Up. [cf. Gk. $ ; Lat. {fulgur}] ; N. of a 227455[748 ,2] Brahma1
L. ; of a Sa1man La1t2y.
[I guess most of the conjugational forms below are
mighty rare...]
dhA 1 cl. 3. P. A1. %{da4dhAti} , %{dhatte4} RV. c. c. (P. du. %
dadhva4s} , %{dhattha4s} , %{dhatta4s} [Pa1n2. 8-2 , 38] ; pl. %
{dadhma4si} or %{-ma4s} , %{dhattha4} , %{dAdhati} ; impf. %
{a4dadhAt} pl. %{-dhur} , 2. pl. %{a4dhatta} or %{a4dadhAta} RV.
vii , 33 , 4 ; Subj. %{da4dhat} or %{-dhAt} [Pa1n2. 7-3 , 70
Ka1s3.] , %{-dhas} , %{-dhatas} , %{-dhan} ; Pot. %{dadhyA4t} ;
Impv. %{dAdhAtu} pl. %{-dhatu} ; 2. sg. %{dhehi4} [fr. %{dhaddhi} ;
cf. Pa1n2. 6-4 , 119] or %{dhattAt} RV. iii , 8 , 1 ; 2. pl. %
{dhatta4} , i , 64 , 15 , %{dhattana} , i , 20 , 7 , %{da4dhAta} ,
vii , 32 , 13 , or %{-tana} , x , 36 , 13 [cf. Pa1n2. 7-1 , 45
Sch.] ; p. %{da4dhat} , %{-ti} m. pl. %{-tas} ; A1. 1. sg. %
{dadhe4}
[at once 3. sg. = %{dhatte4} RV. i , 149 , 5 c. and= pf.A1.] , 2.
sg. %{dha4tse} , viii , 85 , 5 or %{dhatse4} AV. v , 7 , 2 ; 2. 3.
du. %{dadhA4the} , %{-dhA4te} ; 2. pl. %{-dhidhve4} [cf. pf.] ; 3.
pl. %{da4dhate} RV. v , 41 , 2 ; impf. %{a4dhatta} , %{-tthAs} ;
Subj. %{da4dhase} , viii , 32 , 6 [Pa1n2. 3-4 , 96 Ka1s3.] ; Pot. %
{da4dhIta} RV. i , 40 , 2 or %{dadhIta4} , v , 66 , 1 ; Impv. 2.
sg.
%{dhatsva} , x , 87 , 2 or %{dadhiSva} , iii , 40 , 5 c. ; 2. pl. %
{dhaddhvam} [Pa1n2. 8-2 , 38 Ka1s3.] or %{dadhidhvam} RV. vii ,
34 ,
10 , c. ; 3. pl. %{dadhatAm} AV. viii , 8 , 3 ; p. %{da4dhAna}) ;
rarely cl. 1. P. A1. %{dadhati} , %{-te} RV. MBh. ; only thrice cl.
2. P. %{dhA4ti} RV. ; and once cl. 4. A1. Pot. %{dhAyeta} MaitrUp.
(pf.P. %{dadhau4} , %{-dhA4tha} , %{-dhatur} , %{-dhimA84} , %{-
dhur} RV. c. ; A1. %{dadhe4} [cf. pr.] , %{dadhiSe4} or %{dhiSe}
RV. i , 56 , 6 ; 2. 3. du. %{dadhA4the} , %{-dhA4te} , 2. pl. %
{dadhidhve4} [cf. pr.] ; 3. pl. %{dadhire4} , %{dadhre} , x , 82 ,
5 ; 6 , or %{dhire} , i , 166 , 10 c. ; p. %{da4dhAna} [cf. pr.] ;
aor. P. %{a4dhAt} , %{dhA4t} , %{dhA4s} ; %{adhu4r} , %{dhu4r} RV.
c. ; Pot. %{dheyAm} , %{-yur} ; %{dhetana} RV. TBr. ; 2. sg. %
{dhAyIs} RV. i , 147 , 5 ; Impv. %{dhA4tu} [cf. Pa1n2. 6-i , 8
Va1rtt. 3 Pat.] ; 2. pl. %{dhA4ta} or %{-tana} , 3. pl. %{dhAntu}
RV. ; A1. %{adhita} , %{-thAs} , %{adhItAm} , %{adhImahi} ,
%***{dhImahi}*** , %{dhimahe} , %{dhAmahe} RV. ; 3. sg. %{ahita} ,
%
{hita} AV. TA1r. ; Subj. %{dhe4the} RV. i , 158 , 2 , %{dhaithe} ,
vi , 67 , 7 ; Impv. %{dhiSvA84} , ii , 11 , 18 , c. ; P. %{adhat}
SV. ; %{dhat} RV. ; P. %{dhAsur} Subj. %{-sathas} and %{-satha}
RV. ; A1. %{adhiSi} , %{-Sata} Br. ; Pot. %{dhiSIya} ib. [P. vii ,
4 , 45] ; %{dheSIya} MaitrS. ; fut. %{dhAsyati} , %{-te} or %
{dhAtA}
Br. c. ; inf. %{dhA4tum} Br. c. ; Ved. also %{-tave} , %{-
tavai4} , %{-tos} ; %{dhiya4dhyai} RV. ; Class. also %{-dhitum} ;
ind. P. %{dhitvA4} Br. ; %{hitvA}
[FairfieldLife] Re: 4 years to live
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: According to Einstein humans have 4 years to live after the bees dissapear. Doesn't make sense. Most of our major food crops do not require bees for pollination. Only if you only eat and corn and junk food made from it, and other mass-produced crops that are causing detriment to the environment. Just guessing here, but I suspect most people would rather eat these things than, you know, starve to death.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 4 years to live
In 1923 Rudolf Steiner predicted the dire state of today's honeybee. He stated that, within fifty to eighty years, we would see the consequences of mechanizing the forces that had previously operated organically in the beehive. Such practices include breeding queen bees artificially. http://www.steinerbooks.org/detail.html?id=0880104570 Patrick writing: Steiner is said to have said in a lecture that that which we experience within ourselves only at a time when our hearts develop love is actually the very same thing that is present as a substance in the entire beehive. The whole beehive is permeated with life based on love. In many ways the bees renounce love, and thereby this love develops within the entire beehive. Back to the book review: The fact that over sixty percent of the American honeybee population has died during the past ten years, and that this trend is continuing around the world, should make us aware of the importance of the issues discussed in these lectures. Steiner began this series of lectures on bees in response to a question from an audience of workers at the Goetheanum. From physical depictions of the daily activities of bees to the most elevated esoteric insights, these lectures describe the unconscious wisdom of the beehive and its connection to our experience of health, culture, and the cosmos. Rudolf Steiner (Feb. 27, 1861Mar. 30, 1925) was born in Kraljevic, Austria, where he grew up the son of a railroad station chief. As a young man, he lived in Weimar and Berlin, where he became a respected and well-published scientific, literary, and philosophical scholar, known especially for his work on Goethe's scientific writings. At the beginning of the twentieth century, he began to develop his earlier philosophical principles into an approach to methodical research of psychological and spiritual phenomena. Steiner formally began his spiritual teaching career under the auspices of the Theosophical Society, later referring to his spiritual research results and philosophy as Anthroposophy, or spiritual science. His multifaceted genius has led to innovative and holistic approaches in medicine, philosophy, religion, education (Waldorf schools), special education (the Camphill movement), economics, agriculture (biodynamics), science, architecture, and the arts (drama, speech and eurythmy). In 1924 he founded the General Anthroposophical Society, which has branches throughout the world. He died in Dornach, Switzerland. http://www.steinerbooks.org/detail.html?id=0880104570 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob_brigante Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:25 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 4 years to live http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/24/science/24bees.html Reportedly Charlie Lutes said that bees come from Venus, so maybe the bees are just going back home. Lou, can you check with Charlie on this?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 4 years to live
authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: According to Einstein humans have 4 years to live after the bees dissapear. Doesn't make sense. Most of our major food crops do not require bees for pollination. Only if you only eat and corn and junk food made from it, and other mass-produced crops that are causing detriment to the environment. Just guessing here, but I suspect most people would rather eat these things than, you know, starve to death. More likely you would be spending your time fighting off hordes of marauding cannibals.
[FairfieldLife] Re: when one looks to the sky for rain, the rain falls
I can appreciate the act of being skeptical of something once bought hook line and sinker without any critical assessment, and that is good. In my case and others I've been aware of, there is often a 'boomerang' effect, or a tendency to later condemn *everything* which was at first accepted without question. Where my skepticism leaves me is quietly, not passing judgment on such huge initiatives as the accomplishment of world peace. It is too easy to buy it blindly or condemn it blindly. Not the old ad hominem attack that I had bought something hook line and sinker when I was into TM, or the boomerang effect is now impairing my thinking. I thought we had gotten past that old tired thing. I don't think you are in a position to know how much a philosophy major at MIU might have given to analyzing MMY's claims. But I did my best to assess the claims, and as I have often said, I had no complaints about the experiences his rounding courses gave me. It is the interpretation of what those experiences mean that changed for me as I continued my study into human consciousness and came to the conclusion that MMY was not offering the best explanation for my experiences. There was and is no boomerang effect in my thinking for the last 18 years since I left the movement any more than there is in your own thinking. Skepticism of extravagant claims is not a mental deficit, it is healthy and appropriate. Nor do I have warlike tendencies. One of us spent their early early twenties teaching meditation and one of us joined the army. I do know that once ad hominem arguments are used any reasoned, respectful discussion is over. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Interesting exchange- the longer one. And interesting that skeptics will take anecdotal evidence from a few people and pronounce Maharishi a liar, cheat and fraud. My criticism of selling yagyas comes from its theory as well as its practice. I don't know of any plausible theory of how offering, smoke and food to statues of Indians mythological characters can have an effect on the world without proposing a magical connection. (poetic physicsy sounding words don't cut it for me) MMY is selling an ancient religion's world view. I don't share it, so his sincerity or lack of it as he scoops up the bucks is irrelevant. Either way, IMO, he is selling false hope for cash to a world who needs some real solutions. I am of the opinion that this kind of religious belief is not helping the problems of the world, it is hurting them. Being critical of this type of thinking is a positive act for me. I can appreciate the act of being skeptical of something once bought hook line and sinker without any critical assessment, and that is good. In my case and others I've been aware of, there is often a 'boomerang' effect, or a tendency to later condemn *everything* which was at first accepted without question. Where my skepticism leaves me is quietly, not passing judgment on such huge initiatives as the accomplishment of world peace. It is too easy to buy it blindly or condemn it blindly. On the other hand we live on a planet saturated with greed and bloodshed and these same detractors of Maharishi's take this environment for granted. When did a gun or a fighter or a missle accomplish anything except more misery? When it is used to stop the expansion of tyrants. My Dad fought in such a war. Here in my city guns are often used to stop people who break the social contract and start shooting the place up. I am glad that there are areas of society who can open a can of wup-ass when needed. The current president's misuse of this power doesn't make it less valuable. Since the mythic God Krishna himself advocated killing I think your view is not only incorrect from my POV, it is inconsistent with the teachings of the Guru you are criticizing me for criticizing. MMY has been a military hawk for most of his life. It is not the use of force I am objecting to. it is the mindset within the pentagon that weapons are the ultimate solution, that having been corrupted by endless amounts of taxpayers' dollars, those who would wage war now see everything as a target. It is no longer healthy or noble to support them. And yet we hear little about that from these same detractors. And I'm not picking on you, Curtis, just using your ideas as an example. You perform practically next to the pentagon and haven't said anything against the immoral policies of that hellish institution- the countless billions we pay in taxes to help perpetuate the world's suffering. I am posting on a board related to MMY. I enjoy discussing philosophy and religion here. I am saturated with political opinions
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: when one looks to the sky for rain, the rain falls
On Apr 24, 2007, at 6:29 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I do know that once ad hominem arguments are used any reasoned, respectful discussion is over. Amen, Curtis. Thanks for this well-reasoned response to Jim's obnoxious and immature baiting. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: when one looks to the sky for rain, the rain falls
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can appreciate the act of being skeptical of something once bought hook line and sinker without any critical assessment, and that is good. In my case and others I've been aware of, there is often a 'boomerang' effect, or a tendency to later condemn *everything* which was at first accepted without question. Where my skepticism leaves me is quietly, not passing judgment on such huge initiatives as the accomplishment of world peace. It is too easy to buy it blindly or condemn it blindly. Not the old ad hominem attack that I had bought something hook line and sinker when I was into TM, or the boomerang effect is now impairing my thinking. I thought we had gotten past that old tired thing. I don't think you are in a position to know how much a philosophy major at MIU might have given to analyzing MMY's claims. But I did my best to assess the claims, and as I have often said, I had no complaints about the experiences his rounding courses gave me. It is the interpretation of what those experiences mean that changed for me as I continued my study into human consciousness and came to the conclusion that MMY was not offering the best explanation for my experiences. There was and is no boomerang effect in my thinking for the last 18 years since I left the movement any more than there is in your own thinking. Skepticism of extravagant claims is not a mental deficit, it is healthy and appropriate. Nor do I have warlike tendencies. One of us spent their early early twenties teaching meditation and one of us joined the army. I do know that once ad hominem arguments are used any reasoned, respectful discussion is over. I wasn't trying to attack you or argue, only drawing from my own experience regarding how you were reaching your conclusions. Perhaps my speculations were too simplistic. Time will tell whether or not the old man is doing it right.
[FairfieldLife] Re: when one looks to the sky for rain, the rain falls
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 24, 2007, at 6:29 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I do know that once ad hominem arguments are used any reasoned, respectful discussion is over. Amen, Curtis. Thanks for this well-reasoned response to Jim's obnoxious and immature baiting. Sal Again, I am not baiting Curtis. I could find no other explanation for his conclusions, simply based on my own experiences. In other words, the times I have thought in a similar fashion, though not about the same subject matter, it was because of the dynamics of my mind asd I described. And I don't see myself as unique or special in some way. (As an aside, all of the talk in the media and schools these days that each one of us is different is really overblown nonsense, imo.) If he and I can both reach opposite conclusions about the same phenomena, the relative truth of it is subjective and lives in our minds and hearts, not in the events we are witnessing. Whether or not you choose to believe this is up to you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: when one looks to the sky for rain, the rain falls
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My criticism of selling yagyas comes from its theory as well as its practice. I don't know of any plausible theory of how offering, smoke and food to statues of Indians mythological characters can have an effect on the world without proposing a magical connection. (poetic physicsy sounding words don't cut it for me) MMY is selling an ancient religion's world view. I don't share it, so his sincerity or lack of it as he scoops up the bucks is irrelevant. You said previously that you do not believe in yagyas. Is this based on experience or simply a belief? it appears the latter. You discount my experience -- thats fine. Particularly if you have repeated personal experience in which no value was gained, and no experience was occuring. Thats quite counter to my personal experience. Starting with pujas -- not a yagya per se, but they are offering, smoke and food to ... images. Did you never feel anything from doing a puja. Did you ever initaite 20-30 people in a day? And felt nothing? If so, I can only say amazing. If you did feel something from pujas, do you discount the experience, because you don't know of any plausible theory of how it works? Do you require such plausible theories in all areas of your life? Falling in love? Appreciating music? I would find it odd anyone who does not believe such experiences until they are well vested the theory and research as to which neurotransmittors are triggering various receptors? I like that too -- but tend to still enjoy the experience regardless. Have you participated in a number of yagyas and homas, making offerings along with the priest(s), feeling the heat of the offering fire, for hours long offerings? If so, and you felt nothing? Amazing if so. Highly counter to my experience. If you have not participated in such, how can you possibly discount the experience of others as misguided mood making? Have you had large yagyas done for you at traditional temples? and didn't feel anything? Amazing if so. Again, highly counter to my experience. If you have not had such done, it seems an odd basis to form strong beliefs about such. You seem to make a distinction about selling yagyas. Are yagyas OK as long as they are not sold? In this view, can the pundits collect out of pocket expenses for materials? But it need be volunteer labor -- or can they charge a fair wage? I have had some yagyas done for me that were paid for and some for free. I have participated in yagyas and homas in which I contributed nothing and others that i sponsored a large part of it. Both are fulfilling. I am not sure I see your point about selling I have never had a TMO yagya -- but the ones I have sponsored, no on is getting rich. We share an appreciation of rationalism and empirical evidence ( though I find, in my life, sometimes i have to live with experience alone, not always having a clear theory and empirical findings to articulate and explain such.) That you appear to be blasting something you have no experince with is puzzling.
[FairfieldLife] Re: when one looks to the sky for rain, the rain falls
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip My criticism of selling yagyas comes from its theory as well as its practice. I don't know of any plausible theory of how offering, smoke and food to statues of Indians mythological characters can have an effect on the world without proposing a magical connection. Actually, there are quite a few theories floating around these days from highly credentialed, non-TM physicists that would allow for yagyas to have an effect on the world, along with a lot of other phenomena that you would call magic. They all have to do with the nature and mechanics of consciousness, and while they approach the problem from different angles, they all appear to gravitate toward a view of reality that is remarkably similar to that of MMY and a whole bunch of ancient cultures. These theories aren't yet mainstream, but they're moving in that direction. Oh, and they all involve quantum mechanics in one way or another.
[FairfieldLife] Re: when one looks to the sky for rain, the rain falls
Hey New Morning, Thanks for taking the time to post this much detail. You have raised many legitimate questions. Let me give it some thought and respond in detail. I appreciate an opportunity to discuss this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: My criticism of selling yagyas comes from its theory as well as its practice. I don't know of any plausible theory of how offering, smoke and food to statues of Indians mythological characters can have an effect on the world without proposing a magical connection. (poetic physicsy sounding words don't cut it for me) MMY is selling an ancient religion's world view. I don't share it, so his sincerity or lack of it as he scoops up the bucks is irrelevant. You said previously that you do not believe in yagyas. Is this based on experience or simply a belief? it appears the latter. You discount my experience -- thats fine. Particularly if you have repeated personal experience in which no value was gained, and no experience was occuring. Thats quite counter to my personal experience. Starting with pujas -- not a yagya per se, but they are offering, smoke and food to ... images. Did you never feel anything from doing a puja. Did you ever initaite 20-30 people in a day? And felt nothing? If so, I can only say amazing. If you did feel something from pujas, do you discount the experience, because you don't know of any plausible theory of how it works? Do you require such plausible theories in all areas of your life? Falling in love? Appreciating music? I would find it odd anyone who does not believe such experiences until they are well vested the theory and research as to which neurotransmittors are triggering various receptors? I like that too -- but tend to still enjoy the experience regardless. Have you participated in a number of yagyas and homas, making offerings along with the priest(s), feeling the heat of the offering fire, for hours long offerings? If so, and you felt nothing? Amazing if so. Highly counter to my experience. If you have not participated in such, how can you possibly discount the experience of others as misguided mood making? Have you had large yagyas done for you at traditional temples? and didn't feel anything? Amazing if so. Again, highly counter to my experience. If you have not had such done, it seems an odd basis to form strong beliefs about such. You seem to make a distinction about selling yagyas. Are yagyas OK as long as they are not sold? In this view, can the pundits collect out of pocket expenses for materials? But it need be volunteer labor -- or can they charge a fair wage? I have had some yagyas done for me that were paid for and some for free. I have participated in yagyas and homas in which I contributed nothing and others that i sponsored a large part of it. Both are fulfilling. I am not sure I see your point about selling I have never had a TMO yagya -- but the ones I have sponsored, no on is getting rich. We share an appreciation of rationalism and empirical evidence ( though I find, in my life, sometimes i have to live with experience alone, not always having a clear theory and empirical findings to articulate and explain such.) That you appear to be blasting something you have no experince with is puzzling.
[FairfieldLife] Re: when one looks to the sky for rain, the rain falls
---I agree with the discussion (below); i.e. puja/yagya/homa sponsorships can be beneficial, although it's difficult to prove that bad karma has been mitigated or prevented in advance (Heyam Dukham Anagatam). Various possibible outcomes are continually branching out infinitely in all directions, and the outcome that becomes manifested is the most probable. But since there's a powerful energy being generated and released by the rituals as causes, theory supports the notion that effects are taking place, but where? Who knows? possibly on some planet 100 light years away. Say an accident is indicated in one's astrological chart for a certain date. Pujas/yagyas are performed in advance, but on the given date, the person stubs his toe. Who's to say that a worse fate might have occurred, that was mitigated by the pujas? But we don't know that particular parallel outcome. We only know the outcome with he stubbed toe. Therefore, if one is looking for a type of proof consistent with the level of scientific method demanded by MIT physicists, forget it. However, certain demonstrations may be possible; as well as various types of circumstantial evidence. For example, the energy. Various visions may occur on or just before the date, somehow associated with possible events. Look for the clues and circumstantial evidence. Once in the late 70's while traveling in Tijuana, I decided to test the power of rituals by hiring a famous Santeria sorcerer named El Negro to place a hex on MMY. He did this and shortly thereafter I returned to L.A. and had a talk with Charlie Lutes (at that time he had an office in the TM Center on Santa Monica Blvd.). Charlie told me that (around the same time I had the hex placed on MMY), that MMY had recently become very concerned about evil influences and was asking a number of people to surround him, affording a type of protective aura. Was this unusual behavior on MMY's part connected in any way to the hex that El Negro placed on him? I beleive so, but the connection is purely circumstantial. Yes, pujas/yagyas/homas, and other rituals (such as those performed by Santeria sorcerers), definitely do have an effect!. I'm convinced of it. Recently, the Virgin Mary appeared to me in a brief vision. She asked me to have some pujas performed for her. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: My criticism of selling yagyas comes from its theory as well as its practice. I don't know of any plausible theory of how offering, smoke and food to statues of Indians mythological characters can have an effect on the world without proposing a magical connection. (poetic physicsy sounding words don't cut it for me) MMY is selling an ancient religion's world view. I don't share it, so his sincerity or lack of it as he scoops up the bucks is irrelevant. You said previously that you do not believe in yagyas. Is this based on experience or simply a belief? it appears the latter. You discount my experience -- thats fine. Particularly if you have repeated personal experience in which no value was gained, and no experience was occuring. Thats quite counter to my personal experience. Starting with pujas - - not a yagya per se, but they are offering, smoke and food to ... images. Did you never feel anything from doing a puja. Did you ever initaite 20-30 people in a day? And felt nothing? If so, I can only say amazing. If you did feel something from pujas, do you discount the experience, because you don't know of any plausible theory of how it works? Do you require such plausible theories in all areas of your life? Falling in love? Appreciating music? I would find it odd anyone who does not believe such experiences until they are well vested the theory and research as to which neurotransmittors are triggering various receptors? I like that too -- but tend to still enjoy the experience regardless. Have you participated in a number of yagyas and homas, making offerings along with the priest(s), feeling the heat of the offering fire, for hours long offerings? If so, and you felt nothing? Amazing if so. Highly counter to my experience. If you have not participated in such, how can you possibly discount the experience of others as misguided mood making? Have you had large yagyas done for you at traditional temples? and didn't feel anything? Amazing if so. Again, highly counter to my experience. If you have not had such done, it seems an odd basis to form strong beliefs about such. You seem to make a distinction about selling yagyas. Are yagyas OK as long as they are not sold? In this view, can the pundits collect out of pocket expenses for materials? But it need be volunteer labor -- or can they charge a fair wage? I have had some yagyas done for me that were paid for and some for
[FairfieldLife] Re: when one looks to the sky for rain, the rain falls
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip My criticism of selling yagyas comes from its theory as well as its practice. I don't know of any plausible theory of how offering, smoke and food to statues of Indians mythological characters can have an effect on the world without proposing a magical connection. Actually, there are quite a few theories floating around these days from highly credentialed, non-TM physicists that would allow for yagyas to have an effect on the world, along with a lot of other phenomena that you would call magic. I don't discount this Judy. The world is a plenty magical place and there is so much to discover. I think MMY has too many a priori assumptions for me to believe that he is sincerely trying to find out what works and what doesn't. But if others are putting in the time and effort, more power to them. They all have to do with the nature and mechanics of consciousness, and while they approach the problem from different angles, they all appear to gravitate toward a view of reality that is remarkably similar to that of MMY and a whole bunch of ancient cultures. These theories aren't yet mainstream, but they're moving in that direction. Oh, and they all involve quantum mechanics in one way or another. I think it will be left to people far more brilliant than me to sort these relationships out. When most people discuss quantum mechanics from outside physics I think they are using physics terms in a sort of poetry. I don't have the math tools necessary to really understand what high level physics is saying about reality. But your optimism that it will serve as a great insight about reality is warranted. But as Clint Eastwood said in Dirty Harry A man's got to know his limitations. I know mine.
[FairfieldLife] Re: when one looks to the sky for rain, the rain falls
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip My criticism of selling yagyas comes from its theory as well as its practice. I don't know of any plausible theory of how offering, smoke and food to statues of Indians mythological characters can have an effect on the world without proposing a magical connection. Actually, there are quite a few theories floating around these days from highly credentialed, non-TM physicists that would allow for yagyas to have an effect on the world, along with a lot of other phenomena that you would call magic. I don't discount this Judy. The world is a plenty magical place and there is so much to discover. I think MMY has too many a priori assumptions for me to believe that he is sincerely trying to find out what works and what doesn't. That doesn't make sense, Curtis. Why on earth would having a priori assumptions indicate a lack of sincerity? He believes he knows how it all works behind the scenes. What he's experimenting with is the implementation. How could it be otherwise? Nobody's ever tried to accomplish what he wants to accomplish systematically on such a large scale, even those who share his a priori assumptions. So he has to make it up as he goes along. Whether he's making smart choices about what to try and how is another question. But if others are putting in the time and effort, more power to them. They all have to do with the nature and mechanics of consciousness, and while they approach the problem from different angles, they all appear to gravitate toward a view of reality that is remarkably similar to that of MMY and a whole bunch of ancient cultures. These theories aren't yet mainstream, but they're moving in that direction. Oh, and they all involve quantum mechanics in one way or another. I think it will be left to people far more brilliant than me to sort these relationships out. When most people discuss quantum mechanics from outside physics I think they are using physics terms in a sort of poetry. I don't have the math tools necessary to really understand what high level physics is saying about reality. But your optimism that it will serve as a great insight about reality is warranted. But as Clint Eastwood said in Dirty Harry A man's got to know his limitations. I know mine. That goes for both of us. But my point is that just because you don't know about these kinds of theories doesn't mean they don't exist. So leave that door open a crack.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Killing time: tat savituH
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mathatbrahman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--I recommend actually chanting the Gayatri mantra, also. Try it for
one month.
I'm afraid for it to be effective one would need to know how
to pronounce the accents (udaatta, anudaatta and svarita):
tat sa\'vi\`tur vare\'Nya\`m bhargo\' de\`vasya\' dhiimahi |\\
dhiyo\` yo naH\' praco\`dayaa\'t || \EN{3}{062}{10} \\
Furthermore, for most native speakers of English (or French, etc.)
who have not studied Sanskrit, the correct pronunciation of Sanskrit
phonemes might be quite difficult.
Because Finnish spelling is one of the most phonetic ones in the
world, for me it's rather easy to pronounce tranliterated Sanskrit
fairly accurately except for the accents and retroflex sounds that are
peculiar to Sanskrit and Dravidian languages.
