[FairfieldLife] Re: Re Chopra's Writings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Timothy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some recent posts have referred (sometimes disparagingly) to Chopra's books. I was surprised that nobody mentioned that Dr. Chopra's books were ghost-written. The author was a Pususha guy (sorry, don't remember his name) who got lots of $$$. After Dr Chopra became persona non grata with the TMO, the Purusha writer didn't feel comfortable producing spiritual/medical/self-help books. Since he (the ghost-writer) had to fulfill his contract with the publisher (for 2 or 3 more books), Dr Chopra suddenly became a fiction author! I mentioned it. As I understand it, _Perfect Health_ wasn't even originally to be by Chopra at all, but was the work of two American MDs who had been training in Ayurveda for some time. However, everyone signed off on the concept of Chopra becoming the figurehead of Maharishi Ayurveda, so _Perfect Health_ was reworked to reflect his public speaking style and his name went on the cover. This is how Chopra, who was still learning Ayurveda at that time, overnight became the font of wisdom able to produce _Perfect Health_ even while still learning the basic principles. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure about the tissue box slippers but two friends of mine went to pay their respects to Maharishi before he was taken to India for his funeral. Both had known Maharishi since the 60's and were in Rishikesh at the same time as the beatles. They were shown into his room and left alone, they said they were surprised at how little personal possessions or indeed anything there was in his rooms. He had just two, one was full of video equipment presumably so he could keep in touch with the rajas and do programmes for the channel. The other one just had a bed, one chair and a table with some pictures of Guru Dev. It paints both a sad picture of exclusion and a refreshing one of modesty amid all these tabloid stories of huge personal wealth. I'm fascinated by why he had to be sperated from all but his most trusted followers, health? madness? Will we ever know. Thanks for posting that Geezer. I am kind of fascinated about Maharishi's last 10 years in the bubble. I wonder if he went a little Howard Hughes in his last decade? Did he have tissue rituals and use tissue boxes for slippers? Inquiring minds want to know! Was his health really so fragile in his early 80s that he couldn't meet with people personally? My dad is about his age and he doesn't need to be isolated from everyone. I wonder what that was really all about. It sure is a long way from any concept of decent health that I can relate to, let alone perfect health. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: 06/02/08 - Lennon was right. The Giggling Guru was a shameless old fraud By DAVID JONES To his millions of dream-eyed devotees, he was the ultimate spiritual leader; a masterful guru whose meditation techniques could induce a state of euphoric bliss, and even teach them to defy gravity by yogic flying. To a sneering John Lennon, he was a money-grubbing, sex-obsessed fraud who cynically abused his influence over The Beatles and many other awed celebrities who worshipped, cross-legged, at his painted feet during the Flower Power era. Scroll down for more... So which one was the real Maharishi Mahesh Yogi? Was he the enlightened saviour he always proclaimed himself to be? Or the woollybearded, flower-bedecked fraud portrayed in Lennon's acid lyrics? It's a debate that has lingered like the smell of burning incense for 40 years, ever since the Fab Four perplexed their fans by swopping flairs and kipper ties for flowing robes and love-beads. And now that the Indian mystic's mortality has been proved with news of his death, at the approximate age of 91 (no one can be sure, for he dismissed birthdays as an irrelevance), it will doubtless resurface. However, as the last writer to have been granted an audience with the enigmatic Maharishi - and, indeed, the only journalist to have been invited inside the strange alternative nation where he lived his final years in reclusion - I know who I tend to believe. My day with the man who probably did more than anyone else to make traditional Eastern beliefs fashionable in the West came in March 2006, when I visited the so- called Global Country of World Peace, in Vlodrop, southeastern Holland. It must rank as the most bizarre day of my 30-year career. Before I take you behind the high walls of this closely-guarded community, however, it's worth remembering how an obscure Indian civil servant's son rose to control a vast spiritual fiefdom, with its own ministers and laws, and even its own currency, the Raam. An empire, moreover, which became hugely lucrative thanks to the one quality the Maharishi never liked to publicise - his remarkable business acumen - aligned to an utterly shameless willingness to put aside his principles and embrace the detested material world when it suited his own ends. He spent his early years in Jabalpur, where he was born, probably in 1917 or 1918. Back then his name was plain Mahesh Prasad Varma, and, though his family were devout Hindus, there was nothing to suggest that he might become a world-renowned leader. A bright boy, he gained a maths and physics degree - a qualification he would use with great ingenuity later in life, when he impressed (and invariably baffled) his followers by explaining the ability of meditation to change people's consciousness in complex scientific terminology. By all accounts, his life changed course radically in his late 20s, when he met his great mentor - a swami or Indian religious teacher, called Guru Dev. He joined the ageing holy man on a lengthy retreat in the Himalayas, where he was introduced to a new form of meditation. When he emerged, he called himself Maharishi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: making the rounds: another view of Deepak
TurquoiseB wrote: First, George, thank you so much for expressing your opinion of Chopra so clearly and so compassionately. I didn't feel in your post a gram of the anger and hostility I've been talking about feeling in some other recent posts about him. well Barry, thank you for the kind words; however, these were not my own thoughts; this was an email message i recieved from a lady govenor friend, who wished to remain anonymous; so i was merely posting this view as one more view making the rounds to her email lists these days. Just one comment: Another way of looking at it, George, is that Chopra *disagrees* with Maharishi's teaching. That does not imply that he never understood it. yes i agree with you; but to the sort of TM govenor who sees Maharishi's teachings as Absolute, then any disagreement is seen as failure to understand. In other words, its black and white thinking, rather than the grey thinking model someone here suggested, which i think you are also suggesting.
[FairfieldLife] Re: making the rounds: another view of Deepak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [...] Another way of looking at it, George, is that Chopra *disagrees* with Maharishi's teaching. That does not imply that he never understood it. I recall a lecture that Chopra gave where he turned apologetically to John Hagelin while referring to his flawed explanations of Quantum Mechanics in his books. So Chopra apologised to Hagelin who presumably blushed at the amount of bullshit he's come out with over the years. Quantum physics and astrology, my arse!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point is I think is the realization that we have control over the action only, not over the fruit. Whether we get the fruit or not is up to any number of things. True, buy my emphasis in your sentence would be that we have control over the action. The TM dogma tended to suggest the opposite, that when we were in shitty moods it was the result of forces we had no control over -- unstressing -- and we should just take it easy and take it as it comes. I don't believe that this is either true or productive in the long run. We DO have control over the temporary states of attention we find ourselves in. We can change them as easily as we come back to the mantra in TM. And to my way of thinking, there is a strong value in doing so. I know entrepreneurs and those in service fields like real estate, who never focus on the end result -- other than setting it in their sights initially. Its sort of don't count your chickens before they are hatched. And that the real thing is the journey, not the destination. The mountain lions nature is to run and hunt. He excels at that. He focuses on that. At the end of day, he may starve or feast. Thats not up to him. Alan Watts once said, Zen does not confuse spirituality with thinking about God while one is peeling potatoes. Zen spirituality is just to peel the potatoes. There is a remarkably liberating effect of focusing on the work at hand, rather than the expected result of that work. Based on my own experiences in life, I would suggest that the likelihood of the action turning out successfully is in direct proportion to how thoroughly one can focus on being in the moment of doing the work, and having as little thought as pos- sible of the eventual goal of the work. In living for just the fruit, one misses the beauty of the journey. I obviously agree. The journey is the destination, and all that. And they are not satisfied in the moment. Their satisfaction is always out there. Obviously, this extends to those who focus on the goal of enlightenment. We have all known seekers who have spent years dissatisfied with some of the finest lives it has been anyone's fortune on planet Earth to live, just because they aren't enlight- ened yet. Others are totally in the NOW, satisfied in the NOW, enjoying the journey as it passes. If they feast at the end of the day, thats great to. Yup. Because at the end of one of those days, worms are going to feast on us. It's all transitory. snip I am happy with my process of posting as a way to work out ideas. If no one reads it, I am still fulfilled. Can't argue with that. Its like a skier. The goal is not to get to the bottom of the mountain. In fact thats an anti-climax. The goal, the fruit, is to make your feet, heart, mind, whole body and soul feel real good, by manipulating gravity a bit, in gorgeous and sometimes awesomely extreme terrain. Its all about the process, the journey. Not the anti-climax. A good analogy. I prefer surfing myself, because with surfing the terrain isn't fixed; it's ever- changing. You just can't get a handle on it. With even a black diamond ski run you can get used to it and have everything sorta figured out and lose to some extent the joy of Beginner's Mind. With a wave, it's always a new wave every time. Anti-climax. You can see where I could go with that. The joy making love is in the doing. Not the aftermath. Excellent. And as I suggested above, the more focus one can bring to the moment and not the expected result, the better the result is likely to be.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curious in WI
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WI, It is going to be about shakti. Take a look at this post (link). It is how it goes here. It is about shakti, spiritual experience with spiritual energy. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/160331 Watching people here with the different spiritual groups, there is a shakti or a spiritual energy meter that people do run for themselves. Is the experience in FF that people have of their own experience with it. They are practiced at metering shakti. They meter it rate it. The Shakti meter, a different meter from the BS meter. FF folks after 20, 30 and 40 years of spiritual practice(s) have their own experience with it and they certainly do meter shakti accordingly. Between the different venues available they definitely flow back and forth depending on the spiritual experience. It is the collective FF experience there is a lot of cultivated shakti in Fairfield. If there is not shakti in a venue then folks go on to the next one here where the spiritual energy is better. It is just the experience here. Jai Guru Dev, -doug in FF While I don't disagree with your shakti meter analogy, Doug, I should point out one limitation to it. One tends to meter only the things that one is familiar with, that one has experienced before. Therefore it is possible to completely miss different bandings of spiritual energy that are unfamiliar. An example of this might be an interaction between long-term Zennists and a Native American shaman I witnessed in Santa Fe. The Zen students were curious, but obviously underwhelmed. They tended to look upon the shaman's teachings and his stories of his experiences as if they were somehow lesser, more primitive, not refined by centuries of dogma and doctrine the way their teachings were. Then the abbot of the monastery arrived. He joked and laughed with the shaman, commented on the precision and sharpness of his awareness while they were doing walking meditations and asked him to join in with one of their zazen (sitting meditation) sessions. Afterwards, he turned to the students who had been dismissing the shaman as primitive and unrefined and said that from his perspective the shaman (who had never in his life studied sitting meditation) was far better at it than they were. He was able to stop his thoughts any time he wanted, and keep them stopped for the entire session. The abbot's long-time students had not yet developed this ability. So the only thing I'd suggest to keep in mind with the shakti meter analogy is to keep looking *everywhere* for shakti, and not just in the places one expects to find it, and in the forms in which one expects to find it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for posting that Geezer. I am kind of fascinated about Maharishi's last 10 years in the bubble. I wonder if he went a little Howard Hughes in his last decade? Did he have tissue rituals and use tissue boxes for slippers? Inquiring minds want to know! Was his health really so fragile in his early 80s that he couldn't meet with people personally? My question would be rather, Did this isolation come from his doctors' advice or from Maharishi's own paranoia? I've always suspected the latter, that he was so freaked out about almost dying that he retreated into a world in which the big bad germs (and everyone else) were kept at bay. My dad is about his age and he doesn't need to be isolated from everyone. I wonder what that was really all about. It sure is a long way from any concept of decent health that I can relate to, let alone perfect health. What I wonder about -- and maybe someone here who is more in tune with TM movment history can help me out here -- is how these events (Maharishi's illness and near-death) relate to his fascination with physical immortality and the once-touted Immortality Courses. In many Eastern scriptures, there is a section that says something to the effect of, If you meet a teacher who is fascinated by attaining physical immortality, run the other way. They have missed the point, and have lost their way. I guess what I'm wondering is whether almost dying radically changed Maharishi, and caused him to some extent to lose his way. I can't remember all the exact timings, but my hazy memory of TM history suggests that things might have started to go far in the toilet soon after these medical events and Maharishi's retreat into Howard Hughes-like isolation.
[FairfieldLife] 'Confidence or Derangement?' by Peggy Noonan
By PEGGY NOONAN Confidence or Derangement? February 15, 2008 This is death by a thousand cuts. That's what they keep saying about Hillary Clinton. Think of what this week was for her. She awoke each day having to absorb new sentences in a paragraph of woe: Three more primary losses, not even close. Now it's eight in a row. A slide in the national polls. Staff shakeup: soap-opera-watching campaign manager out, deputy out. Bill's former campaign manager, David Wilhelm, jumps for Barack Obama. Josh Green, in a stunning piece that might be called a meticulously reported notebook dump, says, in The Atlantic, that Mrs. Clinton made personnel decisions based only on loyalty, not talent and skill. (There's a lot of that in the Bush White House. The loyalty obsession is never a sign of health.) The Wall Street Journal reports internal frictions flaring in the open, with Clinton campaign guru Mark Penn yelling, Your ad doesn't work! to ad maker Mandy Grunwald, who fires back, Oh, it's always the ad, never the message. (This is a classic campaign argument. The problem is almost always the message. Getting the message right requires answering this question: Why are we here? This is the hardest question to answer in politics. Most staffs, and gurus, don't know or can't say.) On a conference call Tuesday morning, Mr. Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, told reporters Mrs. Clinton simply cannot catch up. It is next to impossible for her to get past him on pledged delegates, she'd need a blowout victory of 20 to 30 points in the coming states, the superdelegates will ratify what the voters do. (I wrote in my notes, not gloating--asserting as fact.) Within the hour Mr. Plouffe's words were headlined on Politico, made Drudge, and became topic one on the evening news shows. Veteran Associated Press reporter Ron Fournier took a stab at an early postmortem in what seemed a long-suppressed blurt: The Clintons always treated party leaders as an extension of their . . . ambitions, pawns in a game of success and survival. She may pay a high price for their selfishness soon. He cited party insiders: Superdelegates won't hesitate to ditch Mrs. Clinton if her problems persist. To top it all off, Mrs. Clinton has, for 30 years, held deep respect for her husband's political acumen, for his natural, instinctive sense of how to campaign. And he's never let her down. Now he's flat-footed, an oaf lurching from local radio interview to finger-pointing lecture. Where did the golden gut go? How did his gifts abandon him? Abandon her? Her campaign blew through $120 million. How did this happen? The thing about that paragraph is it could be longer. And it all happened in public and within her party. The dread Republicans she is used to hating, whom she seems to pay no psychic price for hating, and who hate her right back, are not doing this to her. Her party is doing this. Her whole life right now is a reverse Sally Field. She's looking out at an audience of colleagues and saying, You don't like me, you really don't like me! Although of course she's not saying it. Her response to what from the outside looks like catastrophe? A glassy-eyed insistence that all is well. I'm tested, I'm ready, let's make it happen! she yelled into a mic on a stage in Texas on the night of her latest defeat. This is meant to look like confidence. Whether or not you wish her well probably determines whether you see it as game face, stubbornness or evidence of mild derangement. * * * In Virginia last Sunday, two days before the Little Tuesday voting, she suggested her problem is that she's not a big phony. People say to me all the time, 'You're so specific. . . . Why don't you just come and, you know, really just give us one of those great rhetorical flourishes and then, you know, get everybody all whooped up.' When she said it, I thought it might be a sign that Mrs. Clinton was beginning to accept the idea that she might lose. I thought it was a way of explaining to others--a way of explaining to herself--why things hadn't worked. A riff that wasn't a riff but a marker, a rationale for a loss, an explanation of why she failed that could be archived by television producers--Hillary on the trail, 2/10/08--and retrieved the day she concedes. A 15-second piece of videotape that tells the story her way, with an admission that was actually a boast. I could do that big rhetorical stuff if I wanted to, and if I thought it were best for our country. But I'm too earnest to do that, too sincere, and in fact too knowledgeable. That's why I deal in specifics. Because I know them. I thought it an acknowledgement that loss might come. But by Thursday afternoon, Mrs. Clinton was furiously stumping through Ohio using the same line of attack, but this time it wasn't a marker. The race is about speeches versus solutions. Her unnamed opponent stands for the first, she
[FairfieldLife] Re: making the rounds: another view of Deepak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could be wrong of course, but I always felt Deepak's writing showed a lack of understanding of Maharishi's teaching. Another way of looking at it, George, is that Chopra *disagrees* with Maharishi's teaching. That does not imply that he never understood it. I have been to a number of Chopra's lectures. After a few one sees a pattern. He has a few concepts down pat and then he wings it from there. He is an excellent public speaker and writer and is able to hide is lack of scholarly depth. I think George is correct here. Chopra lacks the understanding. He is somewhere on my level. I agree. In another post i noted that when ever i heard him speak when he was with the TMO it was clear that he did not truly understand what MMY was talking about. Some very core concepts were not understood. From time to time I'd see MMY correct him as he was speaking. I saw that several times. Also whenever seeing Chopra what was very strong in the foreground was a huge ego. Clever fellow, good writer, but huge ego. Glad we could agree on something finally peter...
[FairfieldLife] Vedic slogan of the day: Booty!
dhRSNáve dhîyate dhánâ || To the bold man booty accrues. (RV I 81,3) dhRSNave [~~dhrishnavay] -- to the bold man dhiiyate -- accrues dhanaa -- booty
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic slogan of the day: Booty!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dhRSNáve dhîyate dhánâ || To the bold man booty accrues. (RV I 81,3) dhRSNave [~~dhrishnavay] -- to the bold man dhiiyate -- accrues dhanaa -- booty Hear that, Curtis? Let's do a scientific test of this. Try being more bold in your performances and tell me if you wind up getting more groupie booty. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
Interesting article. I remember reading the one he wrote as a result of this meeting, and how Maharishi's tantrum at the Beatles' name coming up backfired on him. I think this is a great article for TMers to read because whatever they think of it, it opens a window into how someone from the outside world would view the artificial world into which Maharishi and his closest followers had retreated. One quote says it all: They were polite enough, but the place seemed utterly devoid of warmth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blaine Watson: 1994
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: In 1982 Maharishi asked us to make ourselves expert in Jyotish, the Vedanga of astrology. A few of us took the instruction to heart. For me, this was the beginning of decades of complications in my reputation and relationship with the administration of his movement. It seems the administration had the instruction that no one was to be doing astrology, at least not us westerners and yet Maharishi had told us to make ourselves expert in it and the only way to make one's self expert was to do it. In 1986 we were in Delhi for the yogi flying demonstrations there and for weeks afterwards were meeting in Maharishi's garden in the evenings with Maharishi and every other night, the Shankarachary who had a most interesting affect on us in that the moment he started speaking we would all fall asleep. Very strange. One evening RD, from Canada, got on the mike and asked Maharishi what the difference between free will and predestination was. Maharishi said They are the same thing. This began an evening long discussion on astrology. At one point Maharishi asked if anyone could see enlightenment in the chart. All the friends around me began to push me up to the front because that is what I had been studying in recent weeks but I had nothing to offer by way of explanation, only questions. I got on the mike and told Maharishi a bunch of nonsense (a fairly typical experience for me) like you look here and here and there and there and perhaps it's could to look here too in the chart. After finally running out of things to say i stopped and Maharishi looked at me across the 3-4' that separated us and said 'Perhaps more study is needed.' This was not a surprise but I was really hoping he would give us some clues as to what to be looking for. In 1994 we were in Holland after completing the Maharishi Jyotish Teacher Training Course in Spain. Maharishi had called our course to Vlodrop and wanted to meet with us. He kept us there for most of that year working on various make work projects, curriculum for various levels of education, a prashna course etc. Prashna is where you make the horoscope for the moment a question is asked. Maharishi wanted us to develop a course that could train people to answer the question without a huge amount of learning time. He was always looking for the direct route to the heart of everything. We were with him one afternoon and discussing with him a particular prashna. He wanted to know what you would look at in the chart to see if success could be predicted. I, again, got on the mike and again began to speak out a bunch of nonsense (this was a downright habit by this time). After some minutes of this I ran out of steam and stopped. Now I had been wondering if he had remember his instruction to me to study some more and this is what he said looking at me across the room 'Seems the study has paid off.' What we don't know to this day was whether he was being sarcastic or not because my answer on the mike was total nonsense. He did give a clue though as to how to answer the question of success so something really good did come of it. Some months later I was growing tired of being there in Vlodrop just hanging out. The environment around Maharishi is always a little intense and in many ways unnatural in that there are many people who are very politically motivated wanting always to know who is seeing Maharishi, and when and why and how often. I had decided that I was going to leave and go home and at lunch, told the people in my group that i was planning on leaving. Well one of them must have snitched because later that afternoon while working on yet another project, the phone rang. Someone answered the phone, said ok, ok and then hung up. It had been Maharishi saying very simply 'No one should leave. Everyone should stay.' Busted So ok. I had to stay but after another month or 2 I had had enough. This time i was smarter and didn't tell a soul. I went up to my room when everyone was meditating, packed my bags and quietly came downstairs to call a taxi from the pay phone in the hallway. As I was on the phone, Girish Brahamchari came by looking like he was looking for someone. He walked by the payphone once then came back and looked inside more closely. He saw me there and motioned for me to open the door which I did. He handed in to me a note saying Maharishi wanted me to give this to you. The note said 'If you want to leave, you have to meet with me personally and tell me
[FairfieldLife] Need help with design of my Rudraksha Mala
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
The many European and American Hindu TM teachers didn't become 'HIndu' from practicing TM. Rather, the relatively few teachers that continued to follow MMY affected a 'HIndu' appearance. The vast majority of teachers refused the change, and left the movement. MMY cast a wide net initially. A large pool of fish were drawn to him. Nearly all escaped, except for a few fish, from whom he extracted ever-increasing levels of commitment of time and resources. Those who continued with MMY abandoned the idea of a universal appeal of TM as a technique for everyone, and bought into the idea of narcissistic self-importance. MMY sequentially unwrapped ever-more overtly 'HIndu' gifts, at ever-more expensive prices. The TMO became totally dependent upon fewer and fewer persons financially, while simultaneously it became irrelevant to the larger world. When did MMY ever spell out clearly that it (Ayurveda) isn't perfect and that all the advice of the ancient sages and gods of Ayurveda should be taken with a grain of salt? He always let it be known that when he re-enlivened Ayurveda, he virtually perfected it. Long, long life, in the direction of Immortality. How many times did we hear that, pray tell? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: So, someone in the movement acknowledges that MMY in the 1990s had a serious illness that required an allopathic medicine intervention ? Its about time. So many movement people died for bias against allopathic medical care. So many names that come to mind- you can fill in the blanks. I think those deaths had a huge negative impact on the movement, which was busy was raking in mega bucks from products they sold as replacing modern healthcare. So sad that people arrogantly denied the benefits of allopathic medicine, and died as a result. I wouldn't doubt for a second that this is the case, but y'know, MMY always told people to stick to the religion they learned at their mother's knee and not try to become Hindu, and he resisted the call to Hinduize the TMO for a very long time after he made the initial decision to make it a non-denominational spiritual organization, and look how many American and European Hindu TM teachers there are. People want a perfect system, even while nodding sagely at teaching stories from said perfect system that spell out clearly that it isn't perfect and that all the advice of the ancient sages and gods of Ayurveda should be taken with a grain of salt. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action
Retiring from public life is one way to make it difficult to get on-going media exposure. Dying will get your name in the media for a day or two. Thereafter, one's media presence is nil ... DH's death and many other young TMers early deaths were preventable, had the bias against allopathic medicine been revisited when so many began to get serious illnesses in the 1990s. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand burnout. I am to understand that Doug Henning was kept from performing because Maharishi asked him to not do it anymore and work on Vedaland. Because DH also liked a party and such is pretty much forbidden in TMO. M asked him to not do either activity anymore, entertain or party. It's amazing how quick the media forgets someone. I absolutely loved Doug Henning when I was a kid. I am sad for one that he stopped performing. He always kicked David Copperfield's ass AFAIC.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: making the rounds: another view of Deepak
Interestingly enough, Stu, having been around the spiritual teacher block a few times in the 30 years since I last saw Maharishi, I would describe *him* the same way you describe Chopra. He had a few introductory concepts down and he spent 50 years winging it and finding different ways of saying them. Compared to Tibetan teachers I've seen and the depth, clarity and precision of their teaching, Maharishi doesn't even come close. Tibetans have the weight and erudition of huge amounts of scholars at their beck and call every moment. Buddhism is a shared religion where each member finds themself portraying the total message as well as another, but not caring to really even acknowledge that. Much of Buddhism, called the Mahayana is a lot of individuals of awakening who give up personal glorification of it for the benefit of a wide and universal path of transcendence. When you talk transcendence you are talking Buddhism with it huge amount of base of meditation experts and ancient records. For instance just about every TM experience could be summed up in the simple descriptions of the 'Day and Night Signs, given in Daniel Cozort's Book on Buddhist tantra. So it's easy to see why they should be very clear and precise. However, such knowledge does entail more of committment of belief than TM does. Buddhism is an all-karma school of thought. It teaches that one has to be good. Because one becomes Buddhist to be liberated from suffering. Not caring to be liberated one does not become Buddhist.
[FairfieldLife] Nice boo...er...bloopies?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: making the rounds: another view of Deepak
We should not forget that Maharishi spoke of 200% value of life. I, for one, will be interested in the progress of the big machines plumbing the depths of Maya, in parallel with my own subjective explorations of inner reality. We're pretty fortunate really at this time as humans. We are in the very crux of things for this planet. We could be said to be a part of Her mind as we try to scatter Her organic material across the universe like pollen. All of us. Together. We should carry the gift of Goddess Gaia-Maya-Bhu across the universe. We need atomic and subatomic knowledge for star travel. It should be a priority to place our eggs in many baskets. And terraform other potential places. I always said all the religious 'heaven and earth' analoges were literal. As that sort of diversity and open ended freedom would literally make for a larger energy capability. More energy = more life. But many things politically would need to happen to make it an equal venture for all beings over corporations or oligarchies, or even religions. We need to look to what is natural and evident and pursuade science to keep its fair and testable function and not patent the frontiers of it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action
I understand burnout. I am to understand that Doug Henning was kept from performing because Maharishi asked him to not do it anymore and work on Vedaland. Because DH also liked a party and such is pretty much forbidden in TMO. M asked him to not do either activity anymore, entertain or party. It's amazing how quick the media forgets someone. I absolutely loved Doug Henning when I was a kid. I am sad for one that he stopped performing. He always kicked David Copperfield's ass AFAIC.
[FairfieldLife] Past life experience and how it relates to practice in this life
For some reason this exchange with matrixmonitor popped into my mind again this morning, so I feel like rapping on the same subject a little further: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: The people it (TM - or any other meditation technique) works for are IMO those with some meditation experience in previous lives. While I don't disagree with you at all (in fact, I think it's very true), that's a tough sell to those who don't believe in past lives. This may include a strong background as a Buddhist, Hindu, or Monk in the Christian Tradition. Or, perhaps a Kaballist. Or just someone who had experienced meditation and transcendence before, and thus found it easier to access and appreciate when they found a new route to it. I found the same thing when teaching other forms of meditation -- some folks eased into it and didn't experience much, and others experienced full-blown samadhi in their first session. What can really explain that except familiarity with meditation in the past? The spiritual teacher I worked with the longest in this life had a very different approach to teaching than Maharishi did, one that accepted his students' past-life experience as a given, and utilized it in the teaching process. He merely assumed that most of the people who were attracted enough to him to become his students in this life had been students of his in previous lives, sometimes in many of those lives. Those he didn't believe this about he assumed had paid their dues with *thousands* of past lives spent in the pursuit of enlight- enment, and thus could build upon and draw upon that past-life experience in this one. With this in mind, he taught a wide range of spiritual methodologies and techniques. Over the years we must have learned a hundred *different* techniques of meditation. Some were with eyes closed; some with them open; still others to be performed in activity. Some used a mantra or yantra or other object of focus, some did not and were based on the idea of unfocusing as much as possible. Some were effort-based and suggested that we should try to stop our thought, others were as effortless as the TM technique. There was a similar parade of dogmas and doc- trines. We studied Buddhism, Taoism, Zen, Hinduism, Occultism, Native American Shamanism, and many others. One night we'd be talking Zen and he'd be the Zen Master, and the next we'd be talking about sex and relationships and how they related to spiritual progress and he'd be the supposedly- enlightened Dr. Kinsey, and the next night we'd be talking about success in the world of business and how that related to enlightenment and he'd be Dale Carnegie. It was a zoo. :-) My point in bringing it up is that there was a sort of method in his madness. Namely (IMO) that one method wasn't enough. He often said that he served up this smorgasbord of teachings and techniques because although we had all paid our dues, we had all paid *different* dues. We may have all spent a lot of time in monas- teries and ashrams, but they weren't the *same* monasteries and ashrams, and they might not even have been from the same spiritual tradition. Therefore we had all developed different predi- lections, spiritually. He presented lots of differ- ent paths and options to us because he didn't think that there was such a thing as One size fits all. Instead he seemed to figure that if he threw out enough breadcrumbs, sooner or later each of us would find the breadcrumbs that tasted best *to us*, and would follow them down the path that was best *for us*. I think he was onto something. How this relates to what we were discussing before is that TM and its effortless might have appealed to those who had paid their dues doing similar sadhana in past lives. If they were used to tech- niques of effortlessness, then the student felt a resonance with that style of meditation, and followed it into very deep meditations. At the same time, perhaps there were a lot of people who also had paid their dues meditating in past lives but had developed a predilection for techniques that involved more effort and intent and will. For them, TM didn't resonate quite as much, so over time they gravitated to other more effort-based techniques and traditions. This is all just speculation on my part; it's not as if I know anything for sure. But it's what I wound up thinking about this morning, so I thought I'd pass it along. I basically agree *strongly* with your idea that TM or *any* meditation technique will work better for those who have had experience meditating in the past. Predilection is important. Although it may seem to be a non-sequitur, I relate this idea of past-life predilection to my first acid trip. I was totally unprepared for it, having read no books about how it was supposed to be any kind of spiritual experience. I didn't
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re Chopra's Writings
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 11:39 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re Chopra's Writings Some recent posts have referred (sometimes disparagingly) to Chopra's books. I was surprised that nobody mentioned that Dr. Chopra's books were ghost-written. The author was a Pususha guy (sorry, don't remember his name) Huntley Dent. I think he lives in Santa Fe. He’s nearly blind, but manages to write by using large fonts on his computer and he’s really good at working with text in his mind, so he doesn’t have to look at the screen as much as one ordinarily would. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Dr. G. M.'s Idenity
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of skypilot1958 Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:48 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Dr. G. M.'s Idenity The 'Dr. G.M.' they refer to is apparently Dr. Mahapatra at whose TM Center in Orissa I taught a TTC back in 1981. I deduced his identity from the description they give below and from the webpage linked below where he is listed with his full name Dr Gyanendra Mahapatra as a member of the Advisory Board to Farrokh's Enlightened Sentencing Project. It makes one wonder if we'll ever know the real truth, but I think this should be considered as balancing out Deepak's account: You’re right. I retract my speculation. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 12:02 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones Thanks for posting that Geezer. I am kind of fascinated about Maharishi's last 10 years in the bubble. I wonder if he went a little Howard Hughes in his last decade? Did he have tissue rituals and use tissue boxes for slippers? Inquiring minds want to know! Was his health really so fragile in his early 80s that he couldn't meet with people personally? My dad is about his age and he doesn't need to be isolated from everyone. I wonder what that was really all about. It sure is a long way from any concept of decent health that I can relate to, let alone perfect health. I think it was a vibe thing more than a germ thing, but his handlers didn’t want to present it that way. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of geezerfreak Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 12:21 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for posting that Geezer. I am kind of fascinated about Maharishi's last 10 years in the bubble. I wonder if he went a little Howard Hughes in his last decade? Did he have tissue rituals and use tissue boxes for slippers? Inquiring minds want to know! Was his health really so fragile in his early 80s that he couldn't meet with people personally? My dad is about his age and he doesn't need to be isolated from everyone. I wonder what that was really all about. It sure is a long way from any concept of decent health that I can relate to, let alone perfect health. He saved his urine in bottles. Does that mean anything? Maharishi did? Back when you were with him? Why? Did he drink it? (Those who drink their urine usually do so when it’s fresh – they don’t save it, to my knowledge.) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re Chopra's Writings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 11:39 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re Chopra's Writings Some recent posts have referred (sometimes disparagingly) to Chopra's books. I was surprised that nobody mentioned that Dr. Chopra's books were ghost-written. The author was a Pususha guy (sorry, don't remember his name) Huntley Dent. I think he lives in Santa Fe. He's nearly blind, but manages to write by using large fonts on his computer and he's really good at working with text in his mind, so he doesn't have to look at the screen as much as one ordinarily would. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM I Googled Huntley Dent, then searched the results for ghost writer. Found the following quote from Huntley: I never pursued higher education much but became a free lance writer, especially interested in spiritual subjects. Oddly, I became a ghost writer for several famous people. One of them long ago, was Michael Jackson. I have written 26 books, only one under my own name, and have had 7 national bestsellers. Strange, yes? Here is the url: http://www.wphs1965.com/dent.htm Wonder under whose name his other books were released?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not Quite What I Was Planning
TurquoiseB wrote: Great title for a book, great concept - describing a whole lifetime in six words: Might I suggest it as an exercise for us wordsmiths at Fairfield Life? It would be a fun antidote for the tendency to get...uh...overly wordy. Here's mine: Better than I could have imagined. Edg: In this regard, it's funny how six words can pop out of any text. From this morning's posts: By DAVID JONES All they need is love, maybe. By DAVID JONES But money - that's what they want. hugheshugo Quantum physics and astrology, my arse! I think the ease with which such nutshells are found -- just laying there -- goes to the Kabbalah meditation practice of spinning the dreidel a couple/few times, taking the letters that arrive, and then meditating upon them as if they were mantras-of-some-sort. Merely focusing the mind on anything makes it reveal its allness. I'm thinking that if any text can deliver pithy sayings so easily, just so can any dreidel spin out a vehicle of thought that one can ride to G_D. (Hmmm, G_D stands for Guru Dev too, eh?) See? Two letters, two different traditions, same meaning. Give how most religions have their brand of japa yoga, and that thousands of years have not diminished the use of these yogic techniques in all these religions, I would guess that the notion that the sacred specificity of the TM mantras is unique is highly suspect. Candle flames, spots on walls, north stars, mental events inside -- they seem to work as foci for meditation, and in every tradition we have masters who made it all the way. Heaven is seen anywhere you look. Hey! There's my contribution! I wonder how many six word blurbs I've already written that, if I attended them, would take me to non-me in a whoosh? I'll think about it. Edg
Re: [FairfieldLife] UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
On Feb 15, 2008, at 10:44 PM, geezerfreak wrote: The Maharishi had not granted an interview since 1992, but after days of negotiations with his moony-eyed media chief, Bob Roth, LOL... I was summoned to the Global Country of World Peace. No passport was required as I left Holland and drove to the Giggling Guru's kingdom, but it really was like entering another state; or rather, a parallel universe. Inside the spacious compound, all the men (I saw no women) wore identical fawn-coloured suits and disconcerting, far-away smiles. They were polite enough, but the place seemed utterly devoid of warmth. Bingo. However, Roth, a reconstructed San Francisco hippie in his 50s, repeatedly assured me that, for all manner of reasons, my karma was just perfect for this interview. Which no doubt provided a huge reassurance. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link
New Morning writes snipped: Its sort of parallel the motivations of posters. One poster threaten not to read my post if I did not change some style element. (Are there any other benefits?). I tried to explain, that I had little interest in who or how many read my posts. That is not the fruit of writing them. The fruit is in .figuring out some idea. To let a flash, a sankalpa, a seed idea, develop. Thats it. If someone then also reads the post, and we engage in a nice conversation, thats a good thing too. An added benefit. But not the goal. I am happy with my process of posting as a way to work out ideas. If no one reads it, I am still fulfilled. TomT: From my experience, desires now manifest as full blown projects. From the beginning or seed of the the thought about what might be fun to do is the feeling of having completed the project in the inception of the idea to go have some fun doing this project. The project may take months of attention but there never seems to be any frustration about how this project is proceeding or when it will reach some finish point. For instance Cindy and I realized that we had a big boat that we could no longer afford to run every weekend on the Mississippi and our dinghy at 11 feet was too small for the heavy cruiser traffic of folks who have the money to run them. We use our houseboat as a cottage and needed to find a 16 to 18 foot runabout that we could have fun on the river and still afford the gas. I looked, as the retired senior, with nothing better to do with my time. There were many boats that came up but none ever seemed to be just the right thing. Cindy of course was telling her mom about our progress through out the summer in their weekly phone chats. Suddenly in the fall we received a note from Cindy's mom that she was going to lend us the old 16 foot family runabout that had been sitting in the garage unused and unlicensed for the past 6 years. The price was right and it was another whole project bringing this old fiberglass boat back to life but this project has a sense of fullness to it that has been fun. The work we are doing seems very satisfying and there is more fun and more work to do. Who would have thought that when this project (desire) started it would have ended up this way. You just do the next step and see where it takes you. After Cindy's mom saw the work I had done and how the boat began to look like it did back in 1963 she gave Cindy the title as a recognition that we cared and were taking good care of this old boat that had brought Cindy's family a great deal of fun and joy over a long number of years. The journey has been and continues to just be fun. The satisfaction is in the process. Tom
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re Chopra's Writings
the work of two American MDs who had been training in Ayurveda for some time. Hey Lawson, Were the two doctors Stuart Rothenberg and Richard Auerbach? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Timothy premaji@ wrote: Some recent posts have referred (sometimes disparagingly) to Chopra's books. I was surprised that nobody mentioned that Dr. Chopra's books were ghost-written. The author was a Pususha guy (sorry, don't remember his name) who got lots of $$$. After Dr Chopra became persona non grata with the TMO, the Purusha writer didn't feel comfortable producing spiritual/medical/self-help books. Since he (the ghost-writer) had to fulfill his contract with the publisher (for 2 or 3 more books), Dr Chopra suddenly became a fiction author! I mentioned it. As I understand it, _Perfect Health_ wasn't even originally to be by Chopra at all, but was the work of two American MDs who had been training in Ayurveda for some time. However, everyone signed off on the concept of Chopra becoming the figurehead of Maharishi Ayurveda, so _Perfect Health_ was reworked to reflect his public speaking style and his name went on the cover. This is how Chopra, who was still learning Ayurveda at that time, overnight became the font of wisdom able to produce _Perfect Health_ even while still learning the basic principles. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting article. I remember reading the one he wrote as a result of this meeting, and how Maharishi's tantrum at the Beatles' name coming up backfired on him. I think this is a great article for TMers to read because whatever they think of it, it opens a window into how someone from the outside world would view the artificial world into which Maharishi and his closest followers had retreated. Most TMers are *in* the outside world, actually. And most of us have never had any trouble seeing the strangeness of the inner circle; we don't need somebody to open a window into it and tell us all how we should be viewing it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip He saved his urine in bottles. Does that mean anything? For how long, and how big were the bottles? If he had diabetes, it could have been for testing purposes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Thanks for posting that Geezer. I am kind of fascinated about Maharishi's last 10 years in the bubble. I wonder if he went a little Howard Hughes in his last decade? Did he have tissue rituals and use tissue boxes for slippers? Inquiring minds want to know! Was his health really so fragile in his early 80s that he couldn't meet with people personally? I'm inclined to think it was his physical security they were all concerned about rather than his health per se. My question would be rather, Did this isolation come from his doctors' advice or from Maharishi's own paranoia? I've always suspected the latter, that he was so freaked out about almost dying that he retreated into a world in which the big bad germs (and everyone else) were kept at bay. My dad is about his age and he doesn't need to be isolated from everyone. I wonder what that was really all about. It sure is a long way from any concept of decent health that I can relate to, let alone perfect health. What I wonder about -- and maybe someone here who is more in tune with TM movment history can help me out here -- is how these events (Maharishi's illness and near-death) relate to his fascination with physical immortality and the once-touted Immortality Courses. The Year of Perfect Health was 1986. It's still very unclear when this illness took place. In different published interiews and articles, Chopra (who is the only person to have discussed the illness in public, as far as I'm aware) has cited the late '80s, 1991, and 1996. (The second part of the title of Chopra's Ageless Body, Timeless Mind may reflect Chopra's problems with getting dates correct.) Chopra associates the onset of MMY's illness with the publication of his book Perfect Health, but that's not possible, for various reasons, some of which I've outlined previously. 1996 isn't possible either, so we're left with late '80s. MMY moved into Vlodrop in 1990, presumably right after his recovery, so he must have fallen ill before then, but certainly not as early as 1986. In any case, there were several years in between his focus on perfect health and his illness. snip I guess what I'm wondering is whether almost dying radically changed Maharishi, and caused him to some extent to lose his way. I can't remember all the exact timings, but my hazy memory of TM history suggests that things might have started to go far in the toilet soon after these medical events and Maharishi's retreat into Howard Hughes-like isolation. This may be the case, but if so it was pretty gradual. A good resource for the historical development of his plans is found here: http://www.alltm.org/Maharishi/Maharishi_achieve.html This page is a summary; at the bottom are links to more detailed timelines of what he was doing from year to year (but it only goes up to 1998). This development can be read as a step-by-step expansion of what he wanted to accomplish rather than as a descent into nuttiness, but everyone will have to make up their own minds about that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
Larry wrote:(Hopefully) One last blovial blast of hot air - - - When observers are gathered in His Name - aka gathered in TC, then they all have the same initial distinction of Self - and therefore identical distinctions of non self - then there is nothing but Truth, but they won't agree on it by force of habit. Edg: Hmmm, your meaning works, but hey, try this: I'm thinking Christ was talking to non-enlightened folks and assuring them that a good intent creates the scenario for transcendence -- or as TMers would say, The Maharishi Effect, created by a few in a dome, provides the entire world with that scenario. Christ said that even the rocks would cry out if He stopped preaching, so maybe all it takes is for one person and a couple stones to be together, and, voila, one is enwrapped in being. Those stones must be pretty pure souls to keep themselves stoney for up to billions of years, eh? Yep, they just might be the perfect worship-partners. Edg PS You said: As you may have heard, we (Madison WI) are expected to get 6-8 more inches of snow on Sunday - - that will put us over 2x the average for the whole season. A few years back I picked up a used snowblower, my plan is for it to have the heart attack before me. I say: I'm a trikkerman, so this year's worst of all winters for Madison ever has hit me hard, but, get this, shoveling has kept me fit -- must have shoveled on average two-three times a week for about 45 minutes each time -- that's a workout! Don't let that snowblower have all the fun! Edg L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Matthew 18:18-20 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Larry, What we have here is a failure to communicate. Any egoic projection fits your views, below, but pure truth seemingly IS available whenever two or three are specifically gathered for the purpose of discovering it. Not that they will find it, mind you, the promise is that it is there -- presumably those with deep intent can REALIZE it H, let's see now, how many are gathered here today? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry inmadison@ wrote: Thinking back now, I should have included a smily face, then it wouldn't have come off as such a wild ass axiom - but too late now. What I should have said was: If you have two or more observers, you can not have Truth. As each observer distinguishs self - what lies outside of that first distinction is everything else, which includes the other observers. So, for each observer, what lies 'outside' that first distinction is different because it includes the other observers. Let's ask a basic question . . . is the car red? Well, what makes the car red is exactly the same as what makes it not red. For example, we can pick out a candle because of its bundle of properties, including the space it occupies. We can make the distinction of 'the candle' because there is a 'not candle' to dintinguish it from. The dintinction between the candle and 'not candle' is the same distinction - it's the same boundary. Sort of like my grandfather who used to bug me with questions like: Does the mortar keep the bricks apart, or does keep them together? So getting back to the car . . two or more observers can not equally dintguish the car, because the 'not car' distinction includes the other observers . . so therefore, the distinction of the car will also be different between observers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Really? How do you figure?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Looking at Maharishi as an enlightened guy who knew what he was doing lends itself to your interpretation. In my view of him as a guy who was completely winging it, and who created a situation where every whim was catered to, it comes out differently. Not sure why being enlightened and winging it are necessarily mutually exclusive. Also, there's his story of how Guru Dev would do the same thing to him, so maybe he thought if it had benefited him, it would also benefit his close followers. I find my own comfort in thinking about him as a guy who, like a lot of hight achievers, had a bit of ADD. Why do you find comfort in diagnosing him with all sorts of DSM-IV disorders? The DSM diagnoses, remember, are for the guidance of therapists who are working with patients who can't cope, based on the characteristics found in thousands of past patients who couldn't cope.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
I'm inclined to think it was his physical security they were all concerned about rather than his health per se. If in fact someone did try to poison him that makes some sense. Of course we don't know what kind of financial shenanigans he was involved with that might make someone think the world would be better without him. And as George and John found out, the nut cases with homicidal urges are drawn to celebrity. But is does make his huckstering of Invincibility and that Heyam Dukham Anagitam (Sp?) seem kinda lame. Funny how the TBs can rationalize how even Maharishi didn't have the invincibility of Paris Hilton. This development can be read as a step-by-step expansion of what he wanted to accomplish rather than as a descent into nuttiness, but everyone will have to make up their own minds about that. This week is off to a good start! I have a friend who is a sound man for a popular touring band and according to him most band leaders like Steve Tyler are mad as hatters. The atmosphere around being famous distorts your personality. I'm sure glad I don't have to worry about that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Thanks for posting that Geezer. I am kind of fascinated about Maharishi's last 10 years in the bubble. I wonder if he went a little Howard Hughes in his last decade? Did he have tissue rituals and use tissue boxes for slippers? Inquiring minds want to know! Was his health really so fragile in his early 80s that he couldn't meet with people personally? I'm inclined to think it was his physical security they were all concerned about rather than his health per se. My question would be rather, Did this isolation come from his doctors' advice or from Maharishi's own paranoia? I've always suspected the latter, that he was so freaked out about almost dying that he retreated into a world in which the big bad germs (and everyone else) were kept at bay. My dad is about his age and he doesn't need to be isolated from everyone. I wonder what that was really all about. It sure is a long way from any concept of decent health that I can relate to, let alone perfect health. What I wonder about -- and maybe someone here who is more in tune with TM movment history can help me out here -- is how these events (Maharishi's illness and near-death) relate to his fascination with physical immortality and the once-touted Immortality Courses. The Year of Perfect Health was 1986. It's still very unclear when this illness took place. In different published interiews and articles, Chopra (who is the only person to have discussed the illness in public, as far as I'm aware) has cited the late '80s, 1991, and 1996. (The second part of the title of Chopra's Ageless Body, Timeless Mind may reflect Chopra's problems with getting dates correct.) Chopra associates the onset of MMY's illness with the publication of his book Perfect Health, but that's not possible, for various reasons, some of which I've outlined previously. 1996 isn't possible either, so we're left with late '80s. MMY moved into Vlodrop in 1990, presumably right after his recovery, so he must have fallen ill before then, but certainly not as early as 1986. In any case, there were several years in between his focus on perfect health and his illness. snip I guess what I'm wondering is whether almost dying radically changed Maharishi, and caused him to some extent to lose his way. I can't remember all the exact timings, but my hazy memory of TM history suggests that things might have started to go far in the toilet soon after these medical events and Maharishi's retreat into Howard Hughes-like isolation. This may be the case, but if so it was pretty gradual. A good resource for the historical development of his plans is found here: http://www.alltm.org/Maharishi/Maharishi_achieve.html This page is a summary; at the bottom are links to more detailed timelines of what he was doing from year to year (but it only goes up to 1998). This development can be read as a step-by-step expansion of what he wanted to accomplish rather than as a descent into nuttiness, but everyone will have to make up their own minds about that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip He saved his urine in bottles. Does that mean anything? For how long, and how big were the bottles? If he had diabetes, it could have been for testing purposes. MMY was an enlightened Vedic master. He didn't pee.:) Or, it could have been green flowing soma, and they were saving it hoping to start a bottling and marketing franchise. Think of the ad campaign: SOMA: directly from the enlightened to the bottle to you. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: making the rounds: another view of Deepak
Whether or not it will be maya on a grand scale will depend on the state of
consciousness of the scientist in question. I belong to a chat group on the
mathematics of G. Spencer Brown. That group consists mostly of physicists and
mathematicians all over the world but there are also folks from the field of
artificial intelligence and other computer stuff and, further, there are
engineers of various kinds interested in practical applications of GSB's Laws
of Form. In my opinion, many of those folks are enlightened in the sense that
they are not sold out to maya. We, in meditating communities, tend to forget
that higher states of consciousness develop spontaneously without a technique.
Indeed, the argument can be made that when a technique catches on, it is
because the state of collective consciousness is evolved enough to make that
possible.
If you look at the whole picture of Western culture in terms of collective
consciousness, you can see the development of states of consciousness in
literature (including especially film literature in the 20th c.). There was no
real awareness of transcendental consciousness in 18th century literature (as a
whole). Then, almost suddenly, there was transcendental consciousness all over
the place--especially in British and German Romanticism, as well as in American
Transcendentalism. It seemed to vanish in 20th c.,literature which, on the
surface, appears fairly negative, but, if you look closer, you see that CC is
definitely an emerging characteristic. Witnessing occurs, and what is
witnessed is the mud.
You can see the beginnings of GC in the literature of the late 20th c.
- Original Message
From: gandalfaragorn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:43:49 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: making the rounds: another view of Deepak
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ ... wrote:
Couple points:
That the material world is an illusion was understood in the popular
mind to mean the world is a mirage, i.e. not really there. Shankara
made the term clear long before MMY by explaining that illusion in
this context means not real in the sense that it is changing, not in
the sense that it isn't really there. He uses the example of the son
of a barren widow, as I recall. That boy has no existence. Spencer
Brown makes much the same point also when he says that existence is
not the source of reality, as 20th century science tends to see it.
This tendency to see existence as the source of reality is at the
heart of the failure of 20th century science to really deal with the
notion of causality at any depth, and it has other consequences on
clear thinking.
Interesting thread. However, science is here to stay. Sometime this
year the new Large Hadron Collider (LHC), located
under the French-Swiss border, will be ready for a new round of
subatomic particle investigations at unprecedented energy scales (in
proton collisions). This is going to be big news, and will likely
garner Nobel prizes in coming years. This, and a contemplated
follow-on larger machine (International Linear Accelerator (ILC))
(electron-positron collisions) will be Maya on a grand scale
studying Maya at an almost unimaginable microscopic scale.
This is going to make for an interesting few years in Physics, coming
at a time when the TM organization will be trying to define itself in
the aftermath of Maharishi's passing. For better or for worse, this is
the way life, and science is at this time, and it is up to the TMO to
find a niche, or otherwise reinvent itself, to keep current and in the
Public's eye.
I have often felt that identifying a host of new particles does not
ease one's aches and pains, but rather results in a lot of tired
scientists and computer programmers. There is a small hope that it may
indicate to a few the futility of this being the only respected
mainstream approach to studying reality (expense of it, when does it
all end?, what does it mean to me when I lay dying?, and so on).
Perhaps the TMO can use this as an angle, along with good research, to
reach people.
We should not forget that Maharishi spoke of 200% value of life. I,
for one, will be interested in the progress of the big machines
plumbing the depths of Maya, in parallel with my own subjective
explorations of inner reality.
GA
Lurker (hope you don't mind me butting in)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm inclined to think it was his physical security they were all concerned about rather than his health per se. If in fact someone did try to poison him that makes some sense. Of course we don't know what kind of financial shenanigans he was involved with that might make someone think the world would be better without him. Seems an improbable motivation for an assassination attempt. More likely Indian spiritual politics, I should think. And as George and John found out, the nut cases with homicidal urges are drawn to celebrity. But is does make his huckstering of Invincibility and that Heyam Dukham Anagitam (Sp?) seem kinda lame. Well, he did survive the illness, which appears to have been pretty serious, whether it was poisoning or natural. And nothing about invincibility says you never need to take measures to protect yourself. The point is that you're able to stay in the game. Funny how the TBs can rationalize how even Maharishi didn't have the invincibility of Paris Hilton. I dunno whether invincibility as he used the term applies to him or not, but he did live to a ripe old age. Can't really argue with results.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
It paints both a sad picture of exclusion and a refreshing one of modesty amid all these tabloid stories of huge personal wealth. I'm fascinated by why he had to be sperated from all but his most trusted followers, health? madness? Will we ever know. Given the movement's desire to shape impressions I'm pretty sure even your friends didn't get a direct look at how Maharishi's room looked when he was alive. For one you know they yanked out his X-Box and his stack of well thumbed Gopis International, Barely Legal mags. But the sinister nature of his medical handlers has got my peabrain whirring. With all that cash at stake and an image to preserve, and an inner circle of buttholes like Bevan...I'm sensing some lifetime channel made for TV movie potential here... The Giggling Guru's Final Days..Who's Laughing Now? Too soon? OK sorry. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I'm not sure about the tissue box slippers but two friends of mine went to pay their respects to Maharishi before he was taken to India for his funeral. Both had known Maharishi since the 60's and were in Rishikesh at the same time as the beatles. They were shown into his room and left alone, they said they were surprised at how little personal possessions or indeed anything there was in his rooms. He had just two, one was full of video equipment presumably so he could keep in touch with the rajas and do programmes for the channel. The other one just had a bed, one chair and a table with some pictures of Guru Dev. It paints both a sad picture of exclusion and a refreshing one of modesty amid all these tabloid stories of huge personal wealth. I'm fascinated by why he had to be sperated from all but his most trusted followers, health? madness? Will we ever know. Thanks for posting that Geezer. I am kind of fascinated about Maharishi's last 10 years in the bubble. I wonder if he went a little Howard Hughes in his last decade? Did he have tissue rituals and use tissue boxes for slippers? Inquiring minds want to know! Was his health really so fragile in his early 80s that he couldn't meet with people personally? My dad is about his age and he doesn't need to be isolated from everyone. I wonder what that was really all about. It sure is a long way from any concept of decent health that I can relate to, let alone perfect health. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: 06/02/08 - Lennon was right. The Giggling Guru was a shameless old fraud By DAVID JONES To his millions of dream-eyed devotees, he was the ultimate spiritual leader; a masterful guru whose meditation techniques could induce a state of euphoric bliss, and even teach them to defy gravity by yogic flying. To a sneering John Lennon, he was a money-grubbing, sex-obsessed fraud who cynically abused his influence over The Beatles and many other awed celebrities who worshipped, cross-legged, at his painted feet during the Flower Power era. Scroll down for more... So which one was the real Maharishi Mahesh Yogi? Was he the enlightened saviour he always proclaimed himself to be? Or the woollybearded, flower-bedecked fraud portrayed in Lennon's acid lyrics? It's a debate that has lingered like the smell of burning incense for 40 years, ever since the Fab Four perplexed their fans by swopping flairs and kipper ties for flowing robes and love-beads. And now that the Indian mystic's mortality has been proved with news of his death, at the approximate age of 91 (no one can be sure, for he dismissed birthdays as an irrelevance), it will doubtless resurface. However, as the last writer to have been granted an audience with the enigmatic Maharishi - and, indeed, the only journalist to have been invited inside the strange alternative nation where he lived his final years in reclusion - I know who I tend to believe. My day with the man who probably did more than anyone else to make traditional Eastern beliefs fashionable in the West came in March 2006, when I visited the so- called Global Country of World Peace, in Vlodrop, southeastern Holland. It must rank as the most bizarre day of my 30-year career. Before I take you behind the high walls of this closely-guarded community, however, it's worth remembering how an obscure Indian civil servant's son rose to control a vast spiritual fiefdom, with its own ministers and laws, and even its own currency, the Raam. An empire, moreover, which became hugely lucrative thanks to the one quality the Maharishi never liked to publicise - his remarkable business acumen - aligned to an
[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link
TomT: Suddenly in the fall we received a note from Cindy's mom that she was going to lend us the old 16 foot family runabout that had been sitting in the garage unused and unlicensed for the past 6 years. What I wonder is why this wasn't the first thought that popped into everyone's head. After Cindy's mom saw the work I had done and how the boat began to look like it did back in 1963 she gave Cindy the title as a recognition that we cared and were taking good care of this old boat So, to be sure I understand this. There is a boat rotting away in a garage, not being used. Finally, the owner of the boat decides to lend the boat to her own daughter who is probably 60 plus years old. This, after knowing the daughter has been looking for a boat this size for some time. Then, as a supreme act of generosity, the owner of the boat, decides to give the boat to her own daughter, who presumably has spent considerable time and money to refurbish it. It sounds like someone in this story is rather miserly, and another person in this story, the story teller, considers this a remarkable example of nature support. I think in most normal families, this whole affair would have been conducted as a normal course of family life. that had brought Cindy's family a great deal of fun and joy over a long number of years. The journey has been and continues to just be fun. The satisfaction is in the process. Tom
[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link
tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: The journey has been and continues to just be fun. The satisfaction is in the process. Tom Nice story, Tom. Gotta say it: when Maharishi pulled his way through our crowds, one flower at a time, didn't that teach us all about the journey too? See de flower, take de flower, see de flower, take de flower, then sit on heavenly couch. Chop wood ... Or as we say in Wisconsin: chop ice, shovel snow. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action
Why do you find comfort in diagnosing him with all sorts of DSM-IV disorders? The DSM diagnoses, remember, are for the guidance of therapists who are working with patients who can't cope, based on the characteristics found in thousands of past patients who couldn't cope. My relationship with the information in the DSM-IV comes mostly from a personality test book written by two of the authors of the DSM series. They explain how all of our personalities fall in a range of degrees of 14 different personality traits. This is just a model for understanding, but you can test yourself to see how much of certain qualities you have. You can have a lot of a trait they call vigilance way before you become a paranoid which is the pathological end of that spectrum. They have a 100 question test to rate yourself and I have found it really helpful in relationships. It helps me understand how my partner is viewing the world and how I can communicate better. Understanding breeds compassion for me. High achievers like Maharishi usually are cranked up kind of high in certain traits. It doesn't have to take on a pejorative connotation, but the guy was functioning differently than most average performers. In the movement this is attributed to his enlightenment. For me it is seen through the mental filters I am comfortable with. Spending time in schools for my shows has brought me into contact with special education teachers. Their models of cognitive styles is also influencing how I view people. And being around Maharishi and ADD kids is remarkably similar for me. They are often brilliant. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip Looking at Maharishi as an enlightened guy who knew what he was doing lends itself to your interpretation. In my view of him as a guy who was completely winging it, and who created a situation where every whim was catered to, it comes out differently. Not sure why being enlightened and winging it are necessarily mutually exclusive. Also, there's his story of how Guru Dev would do the same thing to him, so maybe he thought if it had benefited him, it would also benefit his close followers. I find my own comfort in thinking about him as a guy who, like a lot of hight achievers, had a bit of ADD. Why do you find comfort in diagnosing him with all sorts of DSM-IV disorders? The DSM diagnoses, remember, are for the guidance of therapists who are working with patients who can't cope, based on the characteristics found in thousands of past patients who couldn't cope.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip He saved his urine in bottles. Does that mean anything? For how long, and how big were the bottles? If he had diabetes, it could have been for testing purposes. MMY was an enlightened Vedic master. He didn't pee.:)
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
curtisdeltablues wrote:Was his health really so fragile in his early 80s that he couldn't meet with people personally? My dad is about his age and he doesn't need to be isolated from everyone. I wonder what that was really all about. It sure is a long way from any concept of decent health that I can relate to, let alone perfect health. Edg: About two years before his death, my father -- 87 years old at the time -- for about six weeks, was in a hospital and completely nutzoid. He had gone in the hospital for an low-risk operation, but after the operation he never came back to being Dad after he came out of anesthesia. We all thought it was his last days. Then, we changed his medsand in about one hour flat Dad was back, full memories, cogent, DAD! THOSE FUCKING DOCTORS ROBBED ME OF MY DAD FOR SIX WEEKS WITH THEIR IGNORANCE ABOUT THE SYNERGIES OF THE TEN DIFFERENT DRUGS THEY HAD HIM ON: blood thinners, arthritis medicine, antibiotics, etc. Then, my significant other's mother had the exact same thing happen to her -- completely nutzoid for weeks until we changed her meds and BLAM she was back too. So, given the absolutism of Maharishi's environment, he might have had the same problem -- stoned on drugs out of his mind and all of his staff were thinking, we can't let the world see Maharishi like this, instead of thinking: what the hell are the doctors giving him? I don't expect any doctor to come forward with the truth -- lawsuits are any doctor's reason to lie lie lie and lie a lot more. More than ever today's physicians are taking the hypocritical instead of the Hippocratic oath. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: 06/02/08 - Lennon was right. The Giggling Guru was a shameless old fraud By DAVID JONES To his millions of dream-eyed devotees, he was the ultimate spiritual leader; a masterful guru whose meditation techniques could induce a state of euphoric bliss, and even teach them to defy gravity by yogic flying. To a sneering John Lennon, he was a money-grubbing, sex-obsessed fraud who cynically abused his influence over The Beatles and many other awed celebrities who worshipped, cross-legged, at his painted feet during the Flower Power era. Scroll down for more... So which one was the real Maharishi Mahesh Yogi? Was he the enlightened saviour he always proclaimed himself to be? Or the woollybearded, flower-bedecked fraud portrayed in Lennon's acid lyrics? It's a debate that has lingered like the smell of burning incense for 40 years, ever since the Fab Four perplexed their fans by swopping flairs and kipper ties for flowing robes and love-beads. And now that the Indian mystic's mortality has been proved with news of his death, at the approximate age of 91 (no one can be sure, for he dismissed birthdays as an irrelevance), it will doubtless resurface. However, as the last writer to have been granted an audience with the enigmatic Maharishi - and, indeed, the only journalist to have been invited inside the strange alternative nation where he lived his final years in reclusion - I know who I tend to believe. My day with the man who probably did more than anyone else to make traditional Eastern beliefs fashionable in the West came in March 2006, when I visited the so- called Global Country of World Peace, in Vlodrop, southeastern Holland. It must rank as the most bizarre day of my 30-year career. Before I take you behind the high walls of this closely-guarded community, however, it's worth remembering how an obscure Indian civil servant's son rose to control a vast spiritual fiefdom, with its own ministers and laws, and even its own currency, the Raam. An empire, moreover, which became hugely lucrative thanks to the one quality the Maharishi never liked to publicise - his remarkable business acumen - aligned to an utterly shameless willingness to put aside his principles and embrace the detested material world when it suited his own ends. He spent his early years in Jabalpur, where he was born, probably in 1917 or 1918. Back then his name was plain Mahesh Prasad Varma, and, though his family were devout Hindus, there was nothing to suggest that he might become a world-renowned leader. A bright boy, he gained a maths and physics degree - a qualification he would use with great ingenuity later in life, when he impressed (and invariably baffled) his followers by explaining the ability of meditation to change people's consciousness in complex scientific terminology. By all accounts, his life changed course radically in his late 20s, when he met his great mentor - a swami or Indian religious teacher, called Guru Dev. He joined the ageing holy man on a lengthy retreat in the Himalayas, where he was introduced to a new form of meditation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action
Fair enough. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you find comfort in diagnosing him with all sorts of DSM-IV disorders? The DSM diagnoses, remember, are for the guidance of therapists who are working with patients who can't cope, based on the characteristics found in thousands of past patients who couldn't cope. My relationship with the information in the DSM-IV comes mostly from a personality test book written by two of the authors of the DSM series. They explain how all of our personalities fall in a range of degrees of 14 different personality traits. This is just a model for understanding, but you can test yourself to see how much of certain qualities you have. You can have a lot of a trait they call vigilance way before you become a paranoid which is the pathological end of that spectrum. They have a 100 question test to rate yourself and I have found it really helpful in relationships. It helps me understand how my partner is viewing the world and how I can communicate better. Understanding breeds compassion for me. High achievers like Maharishi usually are cranked up kind of high in certain traits. It doesn't have to take on a pejorative connotation, but the guy was functioning differently than most average performers. In the movement this is attributed to his enlightenment. For me it is seen through the mental filters I am comfortable with. Spending time in schools for my shows has brought me into contact with special education teachers. Their models of cognitive styles is also influencing how I view people. And being around Maharishi and ADD kids is remarkably similar for me. They are often brilliant. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip Looking at Maharishi as an enlightened guy who knew what he was doing lends itself to your interpretation. In my view of him as a guy who was completely winging it, and who created a situation where every whim was catered to, it comes out differently. Not sure why being enlightened and winging it are necessarily mutually exclusive. Also, there's his story of how Guru Dev would do the same thing to him, so maybe he thought if it had benefited him, it would also benefit his close followers. I find my own comfort in thinking about him as a guy who, like a lot of hight achievers, had a bit of ADD. Why do you find comfort in diagnosing him with all sorts of DSM-IV disorders? The DSM diagnoses, remember, are for the guidance of therapists who are working with patients who can't cope, based on the characteristics found in thousands of past patients who couldn't cope.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Not Quite What I Was Planning
Happy I am, all on a new day. (She) Knew too much to argue or to judge. I'm here for the party! (courtesy of Gretchen Wilson) April is the cruelest month (re Maya) Been there, done that. Lessons Learned. Thoughts came effortlessly, as did life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Great title for a book, great concept - describing a whole lifetime in six words: Might I suggest it as an exercise for us wordsmiths at Fairfield Life? It would be a fun antidote for the tendency to get...uh...overly wordy. Here's mine: Better than I could have imagined. Edg: In this regard, it's funny how six words can pop out of any text. From this morning's posts: By DAVID JONES All they need is love, maybe. By DAVID JONES But money - that's what they want. hugheshugo Quantum physics and astrology, my arse! I think the ease with which such nutshells are found -- just laying there -- goes to the Kabbalah meditation practice of spinning the dreidel a couple/few times, taking the letters that arrive, and then meditating upon them as if they were mantras-of-some-sort. Merely focusing the mind on anything makes it reveal its allness. I'm thinking that if any text can deliver pithy sayings so easily, just so can any dreidel spin out a vehicle of thought that one can ride to G_D. (Hmmm, G_D stands for Guru Dev too, eh?) See? Two letters, two different traditions, same meaning. Give how most religions have their brand of japa yoga, and that thousands of years have not diminished the use of these yogic techniques in all these religions, I would guess that the notion that the sacred specificity of the TM mantras is unique is highly suspect. Candle flames, spots on walls, north stars, mental events inside -- they seem to work as foci for meditation, and in every tradition we have masters who made it all the way. Heaven is seen anywhere you look. Hey! There's my contribution! I wonder how many six word blurbs I've already written that, if I attended them, would take me to non-me in a whoosh? I'll think about it. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip About two years before his death, my father -- 87 years old at the time -- for about six weeks, was in a hospital and completely nutzoid. He had gone in the hospital for an low-risk operation, but after the operation he never came back to being Dad after he came out of anesthesia. We all thought it was his last days. Then, we changed his medsand in about one hour flat Dad was back, full memories, cogent, DAD! That's what happened to my mother as well, at only a couple of years older than your father. She came most of the way back but not completely, though, and it took weeks longer. My sister, who was with her at the time, thinks from the way things developed that the anesthesia did some permanent damage and that it was the postsurgery painkillers (Vicodin, as I recall) that was responsible for the shorter-term dysfunction. snip So, given the absolutism of Maharishi's environment, he might have had the same problem -- stoned on drugs out of his mind and all of his staff were thinking, we can't let the world see Maharishi like this, instead of thinking: what the hell are the doctors giving him? There aren't a lot of options, actually, with many serious conditions. And in any case, I can't quite see MMY going along with a plan to put him out of sight if he didn't agree that it was a good idea. If he'd been *that* nuts, he wouldn't have been able to recognize it and would have resisted tooth and nail. Plus which, he had all kinds of press conferences and addresses to course participants via video. If they thought he was too nuts to be seen, they'd have kept him from doing those too. But you may well be right that he was never quite the same after the illness. BTW, I discovered an article about him in tne NYT from 2006, from a reporter who had visited Vlodrop and interviewed him there by video (the same one who did his obit in the Times), that said he did go outside occasionally for a chauffeured drive to get some fresh air. So the notion of his being shut away completely isn't accurate. It's kind of sad to think he might have *wanted* to be out and about, but that he and/or his doctors and/or his security people didn't think he should take the risk.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Need help with design of my Rudraksha Mala
You have two choices:
wire or glue.
Presumably you wouldn't want your beads besmirched with glue, so wire's the way
to go. Look at each bead's configuration and see where the indentations make
natural anchoring places for wire spirals to lodge. Are you in Ff? If so, I
can show you.
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From: viralpatel786 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 5:55:39 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Need help with design of my Rudraksha Mala
Hi
I need help with designing my Rudraksha mala in gold or any other
metal or material.
I have beads that that I do not want to pierce holes into. You can
view my beads at
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Can someone help me with the design of a mala using such beads
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Any help on this matter would be appreciated.
Thanks
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[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's Physical Form to His Last Destination
http://tmbulletin.net/volume8/TMBulletinV8I06.htm - Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails jetzt einfach von unterwegs..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: The point is I think is the realization that we have control over the action only, not over the fruit. Whether we get the fruit or not is up to any number of things. True, buy my emphasis in your sentence would be that we have control over the action. The TM dogma tended to suggest the opposite, that when we were in shitty moods it was the result of forces we had no control over -- unstressing -- and we should just take it easy and take it as it comes. And keep doing whatever we were doing. How does this suggest the opposite? We have control over the action, no matter what our moods are, and we aren't to focus on the moods. I don't believe that this is either true or productive in the long run. We DO have control over the temporary states of attention we find ourselves in. We can change them as easily as we come back to the mantra in TM. Well, maybe we can, maybe we can't. Maybe the best course is neither to indulge our state of attention nor to fight to change it, but simply to take it as it comes without dwelling on it. I know entrepreneurs and those in service fields like real estate, who never focus on the end result -- other than setting it in their sights initially. Its sort of don't count your chickens before they are hatched. And that the real thing is the journey, not the destination. The mountain lions nature is to run and hunt. He excels at that. He focuses on that. At the end of day, he may starve or feast. Thats not up to him. Alan Watts once said, Zen does not confuse spirituality with thinking about God while one is peeling potatoes. Zen spirituality is just to peel the potatoes. There is a remarkably liberating effect of focusing on the work at hand, rather than the expected result of that work. Based on my own experiences in life, I would suggest that the likelihood of the action turning out successfully is in direct proportion to how thoroughly one can focus on being in the moment of doing the work, and having as little thought as pos- sible of the eventual goal of the work. Which is exactly what focusing on the action rather than the fruit is all about. Sounds like you're in perfect agreement with what MMY was teaching on that point.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's Physical Form to His Last Destination
I don't get it. Why does the sitting corpse of Maharishi not look like him at all? - Original Message - From: michael To: fairfieldlife ; globaltmers ; mmygroup ; russia ; tmfriends ; tmjy ; tmnews Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's Physical Form to His Last Destination http://tmbulletin.net/volume8/TMBulletinV8I06.htm -- Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails jetzt einfach von unterwegs..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, you made the comment: The DSM diagnoses, remember, are for the guidance of therapists who are working with patients who can't cope, based on the characteristics found in thousands of past patients who couldn't cope. which may be generally true, I don't know, I am not a shrink. As I recall, this is explained in the intro sections of DSM. (Can't cope is my phrase; change to seek treatment if that seems more appropriately neutral). However, people with certain personality disorders may cope just fine,a narcissist or sociopath for example. Technically, these are only disorders if they're professionally diagnosed, and typically people aren't diagnosed unless they seek treatment (or perhaps commit a crime and are required to submit to psychiatric examination). So to some extent it's a matter of semantics, but I think the caveat bears consideration. snip The working hard of TM TBs on one fruitless activity after another is very disturbing to me. I am still processing what I think about it and what I think about what y'all think about it. It was to me as well until I had the opportunity to interact with folks who were in the middle of it, to see it from the inside, as it were. Then it made perfect sense.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action
Ruth, we're all trained one way or another. It is impossible for any living
thing not to be trained from birth on (and maybe before). And all training
looks more or less normal from the inside. It only gets scary when we see
training radically different from our own. Liberation means a perceived
spiritual independence from training. The training is still there, but you
don't identify with it. From that point of view, all training looks
bizarre--even, and, maybe especially, the training most of us consider to be
the normal state for most folks at any given time in any given culture.
- Original Message
From: ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 11:14:20 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between
Fruit and Action
Judy, you made the comment:
The DSM diagnoses, remember, are for the guidance
of therapists who are working with patients who
can't cope, based on the characteristics found in
thousands of past patients who couldn't cope.
which may be generally true, I don't know, I am not a shrink.
However, people with certain personality disorders may cope just fine,
a narcissist or sociopath for example. They may be unpleasant people,
but they may not suffer anxiety or depression as a result of their
disorders. Or if they do, they blame it on something external to
themselves so they likely wouldn't seek treatment.
For a time I volunteered with a number of young people that were often
runaways and homeless. It was interesting how many suffered from
personality disorders. (Given the bad things that had happened to
them, also no surprise). Many had no interest whatsoever in
treatment. If they were anxious they might want a pill, but they
often did not perceive anything wrong with how they viewed the world.
Just making a side point in an interesting conversion.
The working hard of TM TBs on one fruitless activity after another is
very disturbing to me. I am still processing what I think about it and
what I think about what y'all think about it.
I do think that some TBs reached a point where it would not have
mattered much what MMY did or told them to do, the TB would fit it
into their view of MMY as an enlightened being whose actions were all
right actions. Arguably, they were trained that way, whether
unwittingly or intentionally. Now that is frightening.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip He saved his urine in bottles. Does that mean anything? For how long, and how big were the bottles? If he had diabetes, it could have been for testing purposes. No, you don't test the urine anymore. You use a glucose meter and test your blood sugar for immediate feedback on where you are at. You also should do yearly blood work to see how your blood sugar control has been. It used to be that people would test urine for pH but that is a very inaccurate picture of current blood sugar levels. And when people used to test their urine they just would pee on a pH test strip.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend wrote: I dunno whether invincibility as he used the term applies to him or not, but he did live to a ripe old age. Can't really argue with results. Edg: Maharishi's aging process seems to have been absolutely normal -- not a hint of moving towards immortality. Actually, normal average life expectancy in India, where he lived most of his life, is about 70 years. In Holland, where he lived the last close to two decades, it's 80. He lived into his 90s, working 16- hour days, 7-day weeks, 50 weeks a year, for the last 50 years of his life. Looks to me as though he beat the odds in the direction of immortality by at least a decade.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
authfriend wrote: I dunno whether invincibility as he used the term applies to him or not, but he did live to a ripe old age. Can't really argue with results. Edg: Maharishi's aging process seems to have been absolutely normal -- not a hint of moving towards immortality. The bible says Methuselah live almost 900 years. The Hindu scriptures talk about the previous yuga folks living 1,000 years. But since the dawn of the age of enlightenment DECADES AGO, I don't see any sign from any meditators that the aging process has been impacted. In 2003, I was a wreck physically -- the TM dogma never really encouraged me to try any other methods for fitness than walk and talk or asanas, and I used that as my excuse, but it was all my bad really. There I was believing that even if I was 60 pounds overweight and couldn't do a flight of stairs without getting out of breath and had a host of minor indications of impending death (age spots on the backs of my hands, arthritic-esque pains in many joints, etc.) I was, you know, okay. Sigh. Then came Trikke, and of all the things I ever started for fitness' sake, this one grabs me because it is just so much fun, and a day without trikking is a bad day. In less than a year's time, I was a different man -- except for the age spots -- and I felt DECADES younger. I'm convinced that fitness has improved just about everything me-ish -- immune system, digestion, sleep patterns, stamina, strength, clarity, love of the big sky, etc. MSAE requires all the kids to do physical fitness each day, but after graduation the dogma doesn't support it except with lip-service for the most part. No sweating allowed, as a TMO notion, probably keeps a lot of TBers on the couch. Given Maharishi's incredibly intense mental work each day, I wonder how many more years of him we'd have had if he had exercised daily. These two things are LARGE in my views today: be involved mentally with life's offerings and be involved physically with the forces of nature. Think, bend, breathe deeper, live longer/healthier. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting article. I remember reading the one he wrote as a result of this meeting, and how Maharishi's tantrum at the Beatles' name coming up backfired on him. I think this is a great article for TMers to read because whatever they think of it, it opens a window into how someone from the outside world would view the artificial world into which Maharishi and his closest followers had retreated. One quote says it all: They were polite enough, but the place seemed utterly devoid of warmth. Yes, this is precisely why I posted it. When we were all immersed in TM, the view from within gets so inbred that it becomes totally distorted. We forget how the outside world sees all of this. A few years ago I looked at some of the letters I wrote home to my parents from Courchevel, Arosa, Seelisberg...etc. I was embarrassed to see that they were full of inbred lingo that my parents would have no possible way of understanding. Any reporterhell, ANYONE from the normal world who walks into the mini-Kingdom of Tony and the Rajas (great name for a band, eh Curtis?) is going to get completely wierded out. Remember in Seelesberg, all of those kind of pretend conferences where this or that dignitary from the outside world would be invited in to what they most have believed to be a true gathering of experts. Of course, from the inside, it was all a set updesigned to make Mr. Expert feel ultra important and at the same time get him/her to come on over to OUR way of thinking.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
Maharishi could have saved his pee for some ucky reasons too -- after all, in The Laws of Manu serving a cow for a year, bathing in cow pee, smearing one's body with cow dung etc. is considered purifying. Maybe Maharishi has a special group of MMY holy-pee bathers that we just have never heard about. Don't laugh. How many years were those Nazi Boys running the TMO in Seelisberg before most of us heard about it? I'm just sayin'! The practice of drinking pee is thousands of years old. So as far as I'm concerned, I would almost believe anything along these lines having happened behind the curtains of Oz. Norman Mailer in his book Ancient Evenings created a character whose job it was to take the poop of the Pharaoh, mold it into little balls and plant these balls with seeds of veggies that, thusly fertilized, were to be eaten by the faithful. Then there's always googling shit eaters for a resounding whack to one's psyche. The extremes of the bell curve can actually make me vomit, so I just don't go certain places with google, but arrrgh what stuff some folks get into. Okay, gotta stop thinking about this now. Oh, the world is not stranger than we imagine -- it's stranger than we can imagine. My bottom line: I don't give a shit. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip He saved his urine in bottles. Does that mean anything? For how long, and how big were the bottles? If he had diabetes, it could have been for testing purposes. No, you don't test the urine anymore. You use a glucose meter and test your blood sugar for immediate feedback on where you are at. You also should do yearly blood work to see how your blood sugar control has been. It used to be that people would test urine for pH but that is a very inaccurate picture of current blood sugar levels. And when people used to test their urine they just would pee on a pH test strip.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: authfriend wrote: I dunno whether invincibility as he used the term applies to him or not, but he did live to a ripe old age. Can't really argue with results. Edg: Maharishi's aging process seems to have been absolutely normal -- not a hint of moving towards immortality. Actually, normal average life expectancy in India, where he lived most of his life, is about 70 years. In Holland, where he lived the last close to two decades, it's 80. He lived into his 90s, working 16- hour days, 7-day weeks, 50 weeks a year, for the last 50 years of his life. Looks to me as though he beat the odds in the direction of immortality by at least a decade. Yes, he lived longer than most live. However, his health was not good. Interestingly, when you look at life expectancy statistics, what pulls down life expectancy are early deaths. Babies, childhood illnesses (dysentery is a big one), accidents, wars. So, it is not as surprising as one might think for him to have lived a long life. He made it through to his young adult years. After that, he lived a comfortable life which made it unlikely he would die of third world illnesses such as dysentery or malaria.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm inclined to think it was his physical security they were all concerned about rather than his health per se. snip It's still very unclear when this illness took place. In different published interiews and articles, Chopra (who is the only person to have discussed the illness in public, as far as I'm aware) has cited the late '80s, 1991, and 1996. (The second part of the title of Chopra's Ageless Body, Timeless Mind may reflect Chopra's problems with getting dates correct.) Chopra associates the onset of MMY's illness with the publication of his book Perfect Health, but that's not possible, for various reasons, some of which I've outlined previously. 1996 isn't possible either, so we're left with late '80s. MMY moved into Vlodrop in 1990, presumably right after his recovery, so he must have fallen ill before then, but certainly not as early as 1986. In any case, there were several years in between his focus on perfect health and his illness. snip I just checked to see when Perfect Heath was published. It came out in April 1990 and was written in 1989, according to LOC records. FWIW. Sure would be nice to have a nice neat timeline, wouldn't it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
[snip] A few weeks ago, with extraordinary prescience perhaps, the mystic handed control of the TM movement to his anointed successor, a little-known Lebanese former research scientist named Maharaja Nader Ram (formerly Dr Tony Nader). [snip] I knew this whole article was bullshit as soon as I read the above line. Nader, he writes, is a little-known Lebanese former research scientist. Hah! Everybody know that Nader is world-renowned!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: unbesiegbares amerika ... invincible america
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Busy Fairfield Life
--- suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's Brad and Metilda Wagnor up to these days. And whatever happened to Steve Harclirode (sp)? I tried googling Steven Harclerode and came up with a possible match in this blog. http://stevestechnotes.blogspot.com/ But there was no photo to confirm the match. The profile struck me as Steve-like. Maybe you'd like to inquire at the blog, suziesuzie, to see if it's the man we know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Selfless Service --- and Breaking the Link Between Fruit and Action
Judy, you made the comment: The DSM diagnoses, remember, are for the guidance of therapists who are working with patients who can't cope, based on the characteristics found in thousands of past patients who couldn't cope. which may be generally true, I don't know, I am not a shrink. However, people with certain personality disorders may cope just fine, a narcissist or sociopath for example. They may be unpleasant people, but they may not suffer anxiety or depression as a result of their disorders. Or if they do, they blame it on something external to themselves so they likely wouldn't seek treatment. For a time I volunteered with a number of young people that were often runaways and homeless. It was interesting how many suffered from personality disorders. (Given the bad things that had happened to them, also no surprise). Many had no interest whatsoever in treatment. If they were anxious they might want a pill, but they often did not perceive anything wrong with how they viewed the world. Just making a side point in an interesting conversion. The working hard of TM TBs on one fruitless activity after another is very disturbing to me. I am still processing what I think about it and what I think about what y'all think about it. I do think that some TBs reached a point where it would not have mattered much what MMY did or told them to do, the TB would fit it into their view of MMY as an enlightened being whose actions were all right actions. Arguably, they were trained that way, whether unwittingly or intentionally. Now that is frightening.
[FairfieldLife] Re: making the rounds: another view of Deepak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] If I remember correctly, in his books Deepak was a proponent of positive thinking as well ... (M said if a poor man repeats over and over I am rich, I am rich, I am rich that does not make him a rich man) Also, M said, but the mountain doesn't mve!! when the faith of the mustard seed moving mountains story came up ... Uh, I think you misunderstood Maharishi here, George. M's saying the mountain doesn't move was his way of demonstrating FALSE or EMPTY faith. Maharishi would be the first to say that the mountain, on command, WILL move if the so-called faith is grounded in the reality of pure consciousness. After all, this is the man who claimed that people could levitate... I could be wrong of course, but I always felt Deepak's writing showed a lack of understanding of Maharishi's teaching. I agree with you. He had about 90% of it down and he was really, really good at explaining this 90% to the masses. Indeed, in his own words, Deepak once said about himself: I have the gift of the gob. And that he did. But he was a bit of a Dauphin; that is, being the annointed one from an early age (the son of a successful doctor and being on the fast track to being one himself), Deepak was always a bit full of himself and perhaps a bit spoiled. And when he came into the Movement he was very much the Dauphin. One thing comes to mind in this regard: someone mentioned on this forum in another posting that in Deepak's method of meditation that he imparts the mantra without doing a puja. If that is correct, it made me think that it probably would have been a beneficial and indeed humbling experience for him if instead of being an elite in the TM movement from Day One that he would have, like many of us, been a volunteer at his local TM center. A humble foot soldier, so to speak. I am thinking specifically of being a volunteer as a Flower Boy on initiation day. I think back on the dozens of times I did that on Saturdays at my local center and the profound experiences I had doing it...all from the outside of the initiation rooms, of course. Something happened whenever the puja was being done and something happened whenever the mantra was being imparted to the initiate. Although I couldn't of course HEAR what was going on I could actually tell what was going on by the change of atmosphere that was SO concrete it convinced me of the power of the whole process and, indeed, served as one of the impetuses to go to TTC. Deepak should have been exposed to stuff like that. And perhaps when he attempted to reproduce the TM 7 steps he would have tried to reproduce the most important part of the whole process!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Physical Form to His Last Destination
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ITs his older brother playing dead.M shaved off his beard on Feb 4th and just walked off in the night. He ...he's with Elvis and JFK in a secret location just west of the Smokie Mountains... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: I don't get it. Why does the sitting corpse of Maharishi not look like him at all? - Original Message - From: michael To: fairfieldlife ; globaltmers ; mmygroup ; russia ; tmfriends ; tmjy ; tmnews Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's Physical Form to His Last Destination http://tmbulletin.net/volume8/TMBulletinV8I06.htm -- Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails jetzt einfach von unterwegs..
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip He saved his urine in bottles. Does that mean anything? For how long, and how big were the bottles? If he had diabetes, it could have been for testing purposes. C'mon Judy it was a joke. Someone had just posted about MMY's increasing Howard Hughes- like reclusiveness in more recent years. It was well documented that Howard DID save his urine in bottles, god knows for what reason.
[FairfieldLife] Re: unbesiegbares amerika ... invincible america
Look, Gorbachev, speak American or get the fuck off our forum! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://invincibleamerica.org/ - Heute schon einen Blick in die Zukunft von E-Mails wagen? Versuchen Sie´s mit dem neuen Yahoo! Mail.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's what happened to my mother as well, at only a couple of years older than your father. She came most of the way back but not completely, though, and it took weeks longer. My sister, who was with her at the time, thinks from the way things developed that the anesthesia did some permanent damage and that it was the postsurgery painkillers (Vicodin, as I recall) that was responsible for the shorter-term dysfunction. Have any of those Vikes, just, you know, left over and laying around Judy?
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
authfriend wrote: Actually, normal average life expectancy in India, where he lived most of his life, is about 70 years. In Holland, where he lived the last close to two decades, it's 80. He lived into his 90s, working 16- hour days, 7-day weeks, 50 weeks a year, for the last 50 years of his life. Looks to me as though he beat the odds in the direction of immortality by at least a decade. Edg: Hmmm, maybe. But, I'm thinking that his intense lifestyle was his technique of keeping fit. It doesn't take much passion to keep one in the body. That's why I think he could have gone much longer if he'd matched his mental life with a physical regimen equally keeping his systems up to par. Then again, immortality was, er, hinted at, as a definite goal of the TMP, and an extra 10 - 20 years of life is not exactly what the word immortality brings to mind. I don't know how the TMO could have pulled it off, but promising another 10-20 years of healthy life could be a hugely profitable service/product to offer. If the TMO had gotten us all to exercise daily, I'm thinking we could all be far better models -- marketingwise. So, nope, I'm not convinced TM increases lifespan by magic. But, that said, I do think that choosing to do TM opens up one's mind as much as actually practicing TM in that such a choice is out there, and this type of choosing-person can be expected also to have an eye for the vast number of other stimulating things to attend and thus have life grab one and get a passion going. Note that one doesn't have to do TM to get into living with a passion, and most TMers don't strike me as being more engaged with life than most non-meditators. I'd talk to the local farm kids at the county fair, and they were into being farmers with a passion, and I felt good about them. Salt of the earth vibe and all that. They'll eat grease, paste, sugar, booze and red meat and still live to their 90s too. Chicken or egg? Both is the answer. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Physical Form to His Last Destination
ITs his older brother playing dead.M shaved off his beard on Feb 4th and just walked off in the night. He --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't get it. Why does the sitting corpse of Maharishi not look like him at all? - Original Message - From: michael To: fairfieldlife ; globaltmers ; mmygroup ; russia ; tmfriends ; tmjy ; tmnews Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's Physical Form to His Last Destination http://tmbulletin.net/volume8/TMBulletinV8I06.htm -- Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails jetzt einfach von unterwegs..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay
I'm just getting back to some old conversations, and wanted to reply to you, Barry, on a few points. See below. --- TurquoiseB wrote: As far as I can tell, life IS about the journey, and how well we are able to walk our Way. The destination really doesn't matter. Patrick Gillam wrote: I wouldn't be so cynical if there weren't so many people who've said, There is a destination, and an awakening. If they got there, I would like to get there, too. Could it possibly be that all of the people who said this were SELLING something? There are people here at Fairfield Life who claim unity consciousness and are not selling anything. I have no reason to doubt their sincerity or the truth of their claims. Look how much entertainment depends on producing that sense of aha! All those mystery novels. The Harry Potter franchise. All sorts of educational pursuits. It's a great feeling. Is it just that - a feeling? In my view, Yes. - or does it reflect a more universal fulfillment inherent in the human experience? Relaxing into life as a journey without an end and as a mystery without a solution is very fulfilling. And it's fulfilling on a deeper level than that of the ego. I subscribe to the school of thought which holds that life is how the transcendent knows itself. There will be feelings involved in that knowing. That's what I'd like for myself. Just my opinion... Ditto!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re Chopra's Writings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the work of two American MDs who had been training in Ayurveda for some time. Hey Lawson, Were the two doctors Stuart Rothenberg and Richard Auerbach? Yeah. Couldn't remember their names. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The many European and American Hindu TM teachers didn't become 'HIndu' from practicing TM. Rather, the relatively few teachers that continued to follow MMY affected a 'HIndu' appearance. The vast majority of teachers refused the change, and left the movement. MMY cast a wide net initially. A large pool of fish were drawn to him. Nearly all escaped, except for a few fish, from whom he extracted ever-increasing levels of commitment of time and resources. Those who continued with MMY abandoned the idea of a universal appeal of TM as a technique for everyone, and bought into the idea of narcissistic self-importance. MMY sequentially unwrapped ever-more overtly 'HIndu' gifts, at ever-more expensive prices. The TMO became totally dependent upon fewer and fewer persons financially, while simultaneously it became irrelevant to the larger world. When did MMY ever spell out clearly that it (Ayurveda) isn't perfect and that all the advice of the ancient sages and gods of Ayurveda should be taken with a grain of salt? He always let it be known that when he re-enlivened Ayurveda, he virtually perfected it. Long, long life, in the direction of Immortality. How many times did we hear that, pray tell? Are you floating during Yogic FLying practice? Its been made clear many times that floating is a measure of progress towards immortality (if it be possible to quote MMY). And, more TM teachers left the TMO because they were NOTallowed to be full Hindus, I think. The Rajas thing isn't terribly hindu save on the surface. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] What did I tell you? (was Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris)
Some time back I posted this quote from the first Star Wars movie: Darth Vader: Your powers are weak, old man. Obi-Wan: You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine. Now I read this from John Hagelin's recent India and Beyond message: When I was finally afforded a moment to rest, upon closing my eyes, I felt the overwhelming presence of Maharishimore powerfully and palpably present than at any time I had ever served him over these past 30 years. LIBERATED FROM THE CONSTRICTING INFLUENCE OF HIS MORTAL PHYSIOLOGY, MAHARISHI'S AWARENESS SEEMED MORE UNIVERSAL AND POWERFUL THAN EVER BEFORE. [emphasis added] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: Dear All: The wonderful news is that Maharishi is in very deep silence here, and all is going very, very well, and he is listening to the World Congress of Rajas from time to time when he is not in complete silence. It is going very well! Here in Maharishi's house the stillness is the most profound I have ever experienced, powerful silence like a silver galactic ocean. Jai Guru Dev Dr. Bevan Morris Kinda has that Kremlin feel just before they would start playing the sober music indicating the passing of the President. Up until then, everyone was always Going Well!
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip He saved his urine in bottles. Does that mean anything? For how long, and how big were the bottles? If he had diabetes, it could have been for testing purposes. No, you don't test the urine anymore. You use a glucose meter and test your blood sugar for immediate feedback on where you are at. Yeah, but maybe puncturing his skin was some kind of no-no, and they used the next-best thing. You also should do yearly blood work to see how your blood sugar control has been. It used to be that people would test urine for pH but that is a very inaccurate picture of current blood sugar levels. And when people used to test their urine they just would pee on a pH test strip. Does seem easy enough, especially for a guy!
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip He saved his urine in bottles. Does that mean anything? For how long, and how big were the bottles? If he had diabetes, it could have been for testing purposes. C'mon Judy it was a joke. Someone had just posted about MMY's increasing Howard Hughes-like reclusiveness in more recent years. It was well documented that Howard DID save his urine in bottles, god knows for what reason. Oh, she said. duh
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: That's what happened to my mother as well, at only a couple of years older than your father. She came most of the way back but not completely, though, and it took weeks longer. My sister, who was with her at the time, thinks from the way things developed that the anesthesia did some permanent damage and that it was the postsurgery painkillers (Vicodin, as I recall) that was responsible for the shorter-term dysfunction. Have any of those Vikes, just, you know, left over and laying around Judy? Nope, sorry. You in the market?
[FairfieldLife] Immortality, was: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
“After all, if we want to me immortal, there must be some better bodies than these in which to do it.” – MMY, Vedic Science Conference, New Delhi, India, 1980. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: where was this man?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where was Girish Chandra Varma during MMY funeral? LIkely on the stage with the rest of MMY's male relatives, including Girsh's father[?]. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] FFL Monitors
Someone in the know told me that MUM has 2-3 people assigned to monitor FFL. (Hi there, monitors!) What they do with the information I don’t know. Probably depends on the information. At the very least, I presume they find it useful to know what info is hitting the streets. I’ve sometimes gotten the sense that certain constructive changes have taken place as a result of topics being discussed here. For instance, for years we were harping on the perennial fundraising to bring pundits who never came (although that discussion wasn’t limited to FFL). Maybe that had something to do with their finally coming. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: authfriend wrote: I dunno whether invincibility as he used the term applies to him or not, but he did live to a ripe old age. Can't really argue with results. Edg: Maharishi's aging process seems to have been absolutely normal -- not a hint of moving towards immortality. Actually, normal average life expectancy in India, where he lived most of his life, is about 70 years. In Holland, where he lived the last close to two decades, it's 80. He lived into his 90s, working 16- hour days, 7-day weeks, 50 weeks a year, for the last 50 years of his life. Looks to me as though he beat the odds in the direction of immortality by at least a decade. Yes, he lived longer than most live. However, his health was not good. Interestingly, when you look at life expectancy statistics, what pulls down life expectancy are early deaths. Babies, childhood illnesses (dysentery is a big one), accidents, wars. So, it is not as surprising as one might think for him to have lived a long life. He made it through to his young adult years. After that, he lived a comfortable life which made it unlikely he would die of third world illnesses such as dysentery or malaria. Not *that* surprising, no. Average life expectancy is just that, average. But he did drive himself awfully hard, and that has to take a toll. On the other hand, maybe he just had good genes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: where was this man?
I remember during MMY birthday he had long hear and beard... I did not see him on photos... or he shaved hear and beard, because that will be normal if somebody participate that samskara. Does somebody saw him for sure?
[FairfieldLife] where was this man?
Where was Girish Chandra Varma during MMY funeral? attachment: Girish Chandra Varma.gif
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I'm inclined to think it was his physical security they were all concerned about rather than his health per se. snip It's still very unclear when this illness took place. In different published interiews and articles, Chopra (who is the only person to have discussed the illness in public, as far as I'm aware) has cited the late '80s, 1991, and 1996. (The second part of the title of Chopra's Ageless Body, Timeless Mind may reflect Chopra's problems with getting dates correct.) Chopra associates the onset of MMY's illness with the publication of his book Perfect Health, but that's not possible, for various reasons, some of which I've outlined previously. 1996 isn't possible either, so we're left with late '80s. MMY moved into Vlodrop in 1990, presumably right after his recovery, so he must have fallen ill before then, but certainly not as early as 1986. In any case, there were several years in between his focus on perfect health and his illness. snip I just checked to see when Perfect Heath was published. It came out in April 1990 and was written in 1989, according to LOC records. FWIW. Sure would be nice to have a nice neat timeline, wouldn't it? Thanks! That gets us closer, if *anything* about Chopra's Untold Story is correct. Apparently he's mistaken 1990 for 1991, and April for August (same initial letter, at least). If MMY fell ill when the book came out, as Chopra says, that would have been April 1990; and he would have recovered by sometime later that year, when we know he moved into Vlodrop. If so, then he wasn't out of circulation for an entire year; and if he spent any time in the country alone with Chopra, it could have been for only a few months at most. He'd have missed Guru Purnima in July 1990; that's such a big occasion in the movement that it's odd it wasn't a source of gossip and alarm among enough TMO people that it would have seeped down to the rank and file. So I'm still dubious about the whole country-idyll business. I'll bet he was back in Vlodrop by Guru Purnima. Hmm, I just checked on Amazon. I looked inside the book, and the copyright page of the revised edition of Perfect Health has the first copyright date as 1991. What could account for the discrepancy with the LOC? It sure is strange that MMY became desperately ill on the day a book by Chopra called Perfect Health was published. Now I'm wondering if telling the story that way wasn't a subtle little dig from Chopra behind all his devotional sentimentality. He didn't *have* to mention the book at all; it played no other role in the story.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Thanks for posting that Geezer. I am kind of fascinated about Maharishi's last 10 years in the bubble. I wonder if he went a little Howard Hughes in his last decade? Did he have tissue rituals and use tissue boxes for slippers? Inquiring minds want to know! Was his health really so fragile in his early 80s that he couldn't meet with people personally? My dad is about his age and he doesn't need to be isolated from everyone. I wonder what that was really all about. It sure is a long way from any concept of decent health that I can relate to, let alone perfect health. He saved his urine in bottles. Does that mean anything? Where did you hear this? Lawson Judy told me. She swore it was the truth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK Daily Mail Article on MMY/David Jones
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Thanks for posting that Geezer. I am kind of fascinated about Maharishi's last 10 years in the bubble. I wonder if he went a little Howard Hughes in his last decade? Did he have tissue rituals and use tissue boxes for slippers? Inquiring minds want to know! Was his health really so fragile in his early 80s that he couldn't meet with people personally? My dad is about his age and he doesn't need to be isolated from everyone. I wonder what that was really all about. It sure is a long way from any concept of decent health that I can relate to, let alone perfect health. He saved his urine in bottles. Does that mean anything? Where did you hear this? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Monitors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone in the know told me that MUM has 2-3 people assigned to monitor FFL. (Hi there, monitors!) What they do with the information I don't know. Probably depends on the information. At the very least, I presume they find it useful to know what info is hitting the streets. I've sometimes gotten the sense that certain constructive changes have taken place as a result of topics being discussed here. For instance, for years we were harping on the perennial fundraising to bring pundits who never came (although that discussion wasn't limited to FFL). Maybe that had something to do with their finally coming. No kidding? They presumably pay these people. Maybe I'll apply for the job. (Just what I need.more work!)
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Monitors
The idea that they have to wade through my nonsense here really is rich! I suppose they compile little lists of dissidents and read them to each other in quiet, quiet voices. Oh the pain of having to put their precious attention on such negativity! (I guess I do still have some movement authority issues after all these years...) No wonder so many people feel compelled to post anonymously here. Just cuz you are paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't really out to get you. I'm gunna guess that their purpose isn't to take suggestions from anyone here about anything. What with their knowingness and all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone in the know told me that MUM has 2-3 people assigned to monitor FFL. (Hi there, monitors!) What they do with the information I don't know. Probably depends on the information. At the very least, I presume they find it useful to know what info is hitting the streets. I've sometimes gotten the sense that certain constructive changes have taken place as a result of topics being discussed here. For instance, for years we were harping on the perennial fundraising to bring pundits who never came (although that discussion wasn't limited to FFL). Maybe that had something to do with their finally coming. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM
[FairfieldLife] A friend's Response re Indian Dr re Deepak Chopra's story
diswartz2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's funny how I didn't really think too much about it, when everyone had a strong gut reaction to it. I realized it was because it didn't matter to me whether Deepak's story was true or not. I have seen videos where Maharishi was very harsh with people and have heard a lot of first hand accounts of that. There are times he justs ignores people or casts them off. He can get frustrated, upset, do silly things, etc. because he is a human being. Obviously the vast vast majority of Maharishi's videos and life have proven him to be a pure incarnation of kindness, truth, beauty, joy, and simple child-like innocence, and I don't see how a display of occasional frustration diminishes that. There is obviously no ego attachment there. I don't think anyone, even, surprisingly, Chopra, thinks that there is or is trying to suggest that there is. I have nothing but love and respect for Maharishi and what he has done and is doing. Finally, as far as I'm concerned, Maharishi could be a complete and total asshole (which he obviously isn't) and would still deserve my everlasting respect, praise and admiration because he basically saved the world as far as I can see. And complete jerks can still be fully Enlightened, although I think that is admittedly a lot less common. Thus, even taking every word of Deepak's article as true (which is definately questionable at this point), I cannot see Maharishi as diminished in any way worth wasting any time over. The man saved the Earth for Christ sake, and we're worrying about whether he was completely saintly all the time? Even though we know for a fact he was most of the time? He devoted his whole life to creating a better world for us. Actions speak louder than words. And finally, the way I see it, whatever happened with Deepak, Maharishi trained him and then sent him on his way to help the world in his own fashion. It doesn't matter what it looked like on the surface or even if Maharishi really was frustrated or appeared petty, and I'm not even saying he did. Nature works out it's course of events just right, and we each get to play our part. That's the beauty of it. Maharishi, Deepak, and Dr. G M are not exceptions to this, whatever the truth actually is. Anyway, that's what I think. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: making the rounds: another view of Deepak
My own experience was somewhat different probably due to not getting the 3 in 1 deal mentioned in an earlier post. I received/purchased the bliss aka psycho-physiological technique during a summer assembly in DC. After opening and placing on a table a small pocket sized two sided picture frame containing pictures of both Guru Dev and MMY, the technique was imparted. No mantra instruction was involved, hence no puja. I remember having the feeling that the warmth present was about on the level of visiting the DMV. Much later, having read that the gross was $35K and that Dr. Chopra probably received next to none of the dough, I thought I knew why. I was quite satisfied with the technique and enjoyed its effects quite readily. The price of $700 versus the $55 of my initial TM instruction years before was not really a big issue for me especially compared to the $3K spent a year earlier for the CIC. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing comes to mind in this regard: someone mentioned on this forum in another posting that in Deepak's method of meditation that he imparts the mantra without doing a puja.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend's Response re Indian Dr re Deepak Chopra's story
and would still deserve my everlasting respect, praise and admiration because he basically saved the world as far as I can see. I wonder who gave you the impression that Maharishi saved the world? The man saved the Earth for Christ sake, and we're worrying about whether he was completely saintly all the time? I wonder who gave you the impression that Maharishi saved the earth? It's on the tip of my tongue... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: diswartz2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's funny how I didn't really think too much about it, when everyone had a strong gut reaction to it. I realized it was because it didn't matter to me whether Deepak's story was true or not. I have seen videos where Maharishi was very harsh with people and have heard a lot of first hand accounts of that. There are times he justs ignores people or casts them off. He can get frustrated, upset, do silly things, etc. because he is a human being. Obviously the vast vast majority of Maharishi's videos and life have proven him to be a pure incarnation of kindness, truth, beauty, joy, and simple child-like innocence, and I don't see how a display of occasional frustration diminishes that. There is obviously no ego attachment there. I don't think anyone, even, surprisingly, Chopra, thinks that there is or is trying to suggest that there is. I have nothing but love and respect for Maharishi and what he has done and is doing. Finally, as far as I'm concerned, Maharishi could be a complete and total asshole (which he obviously isn't) and would still deserve my everlasting respect, praise and admiration because he basically saved the world as far as I can see. And complete jerks can still be fully Enlightened, although I think that is admittedly a lot less common. Thus, even taking every word of Deepak's article as true (which is definately questionable at this point), I cannot see Maharishi as diminished in any way worth wasting any time over. The man saved the Earth for Christ sake, and we're worrying about whether he was completely saintly all the time? Even though we know for a fact he was most of the time? He devoted his whole life to creating a better world for us. Actions speak louder than words. And finally, the way I see it, whatever happened with Deepak, Maharishi trained him and then sent him on his way to help the world in his own fashion. It doesn't matter what it looked like on the surface or even if Maharishi really was frustrated or appeared petty, and I'm not even saying he did. Nature works out it's course of events just right, and we each get to play our part. That's the beauty of it. Maharishi, Deepak, and Dr. G M are not exceptions to this, whatever the truth actually is. Anyway, that's what I think. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Monitors
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of geezerfreak Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 2:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Monitors --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone in the know told me that MUM has 2-3 people assigned to monitor FFL. (Hi there, monitors!) What they do with the information I don't know. Probably depends on the information. At the very least, I presume they find it useful to know what info is hitting the streets. I've sometimes gotten the sense that certain constructive changes have taken place as a result of topics being discussed here. For instance, for years we were harping on the perennial fundraising to bring pundits who never came (although that discussion wasn't limited to FFL). Maybe that had something to do with their finally coming. No kidding? They presumably pay these people. Maybe I'll apply for the job. (Just what I need.more work!) I’m sure it’s not their full time job. They do other things for their $500/month. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend's Response re Indian Dr re Deepak Chopra's story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: diswartz2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The man saved the Earth for Christ sake, Now THERE'S a line!
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: making the rounds: another view of Deepak
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 2:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: making the rounds: another view of Deepak My own experience was somewhat different probably due to not getting the 3 in 1 deal mentioned in an earlier post. I received/purchased the bliss aka psycho-physiological technique during a summer assembly in DC. After opening and placing on a table a small pocket sized two sided picture frame containing pictures of both Guru Dev and MMY, the technique was imparted. No mantra instruction was involved, hence no puja. I remember having the feeling that the warmth present was about on the level of visiting the DMV. Much later, having read that the gross was $35K and that Dr. Chopra probably received next to none of the dough, I thought I knew why. I was quite satisfied with the technique and enjoyed its effects quite readily. The price of $700 versus the $55 of my initial TM instruction years before was not really a big issue for me especially compared to the $3K spent a year earlier for the CIC. --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing comes to mind in this regard: someone mentioned on this forum in another posting that in Deepak's method of meditation that he imparts the mantra without doing a puja. Deepak never became a TM teacher. He surely knew parts of the puja, as all Hindus do, but he never memorized or learned to perform the whole thing. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend's Response re Indian Dr re Deepak Chopra's story
Maharishi ALMOST saved the Earth, but all he got up to was two billion in his savings account.he wanted the whole Earth though, so, hey, points for trying! Geeze, this is about the ninth post for me today! See Rick? See whatcha done to me? Now I'm just posting right and left since you got me hooked on the freedom. I think you need to cut me a break at least this week and let me post about 75 timesthen gradually I'll go through a withdrawal grace period of, say, three months to pare my posting down to the 35 per week. I promise! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: diswartz2 DISWARTZ2@ wrote: The man saved the Earth for Christ sake, Now THERE'S a line!
