[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality...what a concept

[TurquoiseB]

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 endlessrainintoapapercup@ wrote:
 
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 wrote:
   snip
I guess what I'm trying to say is that reality seems
to be a concept that people whose realities don't
change very quickly are interested in. They stay in
pretty much the same state of consciousness for long
periods of time. When reality changes on you more
quickly -- say, dozens of times in an hour -- you 
lose your fascination for the concept. Or at least 
I did.
   
   (Note the implied value judgment, BTW.)
  
  It was noted. I was wondering whether
  or not to take it personally...
 
 Naah. We're all in the same boat here relative
 to Barry.

I should point out, just for the fun of it,
that there is no implied value judgment in
my original statement. It is merely a *descrip-
tion* of two different ways of living. 

T'would seem that at least two people are so 
sensitive about the subject of pace of change
(how quickly their state of consciousness shifts
radically enough for them to notice) that they 
perceive anyone who even brings the subject up
as making a value judgment.

I don't think I was. I see no real value in a 
fast pace of change itself, as long as there is
steady, perceivable change. I'd see having one's 
reality change radically many times a day or week 
as being no more potentially valuable or interesting 
than having it change radically every month. Or year. 

Your reality *has* changed radically in the last 
year, right? Or, at least it's changed radically
since the time you started TM, right?

Oh. Never mind.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Power Of Myth

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gds444 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Turq,
 
 I did some research on Ron Teeguarden and Dragon herbs. Sounds 
 really interesting. I contacted his office this afternoon. His 
 consultation fee is quite high. Do you think it's worthwhile?

Ron is an interesting guy. And the Chinese tonic herbs
are a very interesting science. There are over 10,000
catalogued useful herbs in the Chinese pharmacopia, but
only about 100 of them are the tonic herbs. They have
very distinct qualities -- their purpose is to *balance*
the system, rather than to cure specific ailments.

I found that they worked for me, but Yes, Ron is expensive
and some of his herbs even more so. I got spoiled in that
when I met him there was no consultation fee. My good
friend worked as his assistant, so Ron just sat down with
me for a few (*very* few) minutes, did a couple of pulse
readings, asked me about the kinds of things I think about
on a regular basis (which is very important in the tonic 
herbs), watched my posture and how I walked, and then 
suggested a few of his standard remedies in pill form. 
Sometimes he suggests custom teas, brewed up fresh monthly 
for the customer. I lived in another state, so the pills 
were more convenient for me.

I noticed effects immediately. More energy, fewer thoughts
about aging or getting old, more positive outlook in gen-
eral, clearer, deeper meditations. Did I mention more 
energy? FAR more energy. So it was worth it for me. I 
don't know that it would be worth it for everyone. 

If you're in the L.A. area, I'm sure you could just drop
in to the Dragonherbs store (http://www.dragonherbs.com/)
and ask the other folks who work there for some of their
recommendations. Or use the website itself to pinpoint
herbs that might be of use to you and try them before
going for some expensive consultation. Good luck.


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
   
   snip
I'm suggesting that this focus extends to the myths that
we revere, and that we should take some care about which
ones we choose to focus on.
   
   Here is my myth:
   
   I believe that the mind is structured in language, which 
   effectively is saying this cultural phenomenon called myth 
   is part of our physiology. 
   We think in terms of stories.  
  
  Exactly. We tell them to others and we tell them
  to our selves, and unfortunately the selves tend
  to listen. :-)
  
   Fortunately we have a pre-frontal lobe
   that can be put to use for discerning facts from fiction.  
   Everyday we play a cosmic dance of between mythos and logos.
  
  Exactly the distinction I've been rapping about
  lately with regard to tales of power and the *intent*
  behind them.
  
  Richard Burton once did a cool thing. (This is not as
  total a non-sequitur as it seems...be patient.) A friend
  attended one of his stage performances of a play for 
  which there were no props -- only a chair onstage -- and
  no costumes. After the play, the friend said, I loved
  the part where you made everyone in the audience laugh.
  Burton said, Oh? Did you like that? Come back tomorrow
  night and I'll make everyone in the audience cry on the
  same line. And the friend did. And Burton did.
  
  Same tale of power, different intent. Same mythos, 
  different logos.
  
   We live myths everyday.  We are not subject only to classic 
   myths like the Vedas or Sisyphus.  
  
  I just want to go on record as saying that I think
  you're contributing to creating a myth on television,
  and a very nice one, with a really clean intent.
  
   For example I have been plagued with intestinal
   problems as long as I remember.  I have been treated by alternative 
   and conventional doctors.  Each offering their mythology about what 
   was happening and how it should be treated.  I know the placebo 
   effect is 60% effective in relieving intestinal problems.  This 
   means both alternative and conventional medicine can not fully 
   tackle what is wrong with me.  In the end I am left with having to 
   objectify this malady as best I can.  I write down what I eat or 
   which pill I take and how it relieves symptoms.  I keep my eyes 
   open for the next myth that may offer solace.
  
  This is Just Another Story, certainly not a myth,
  but if you haven't tried Chinese tonic herbs yet,
  since you live in L.A. you might look up the name
  of Ron Teeguarden. I had dyspepsia for many years,
  had grown so used to it that I didn't even mention
  it when I consulted with him about some other issues,
  and within a few days of taking the tonic herbs he
  suggested, the dyspepsia went away. As did the other
  issues I'd been more concerned about. It might help,
  might not, but I just thought I'd mention it.
  
   Buddhism calls this action discernment.  Fortunately, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality...what a concept

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Barry writes snipped:
  I'm completely *comfortable* with the notion of there
  being a Saganesque billions and billions of realities. 
  That poses no problem for me whatsoever. 
 
 TomT:
 For me it appears to be a Baskin and Robbins store with trillions of
 flavors and ultimately the only thing you can know is the flavor of
 you the perceiver. It has your flavor as it is filtered through the
 DNA you are made of. You impart the flavor by the act of perceiving.

Exactly. Reality is IMO another way of saying
interdependent origination. There is no reality
that stands on its own, independent of a perceiver.

 Have fun. TOm

Always. You, too, I trust...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality...what a concept

[authfriend]

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  endlessrainintoapapercup@ wrote:
  
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wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
  wrote:
snip
 I guess what I'm trying to say is that reality seems
 to be a concept that people whose realities don't
 change very quickly are interested in. They stay in
 pretty much the same state of consciousness for long
 periods of time. When reality changes on you more
 quickly -- say, dozens of times in an hour -- you 
 lose your fascination for the concept. Or at least 
 I did.

(Note the implied value judgment, BTW.)
   
   It was noted. I was wondering whether
   or not to take it personally...
  
  Naah. We're all in the same boat here relative
  to Barry.
 
 I should point out, just for the fun of it,
 that there is no implied value judgment in
 my original statement. It is merely a *descrip-
 tion* of two different ways of living.

No, it's a value judgment, yet another instance
of your exalting your own spiritual development
and denigrating that of others. You do it
*constantly*. It's obvious from the way you
write about it, from the tone of your
descriptions.

(And you aren't commenting just for the fun of
it, either.)
 
 T'would seem that at least two people are so 
 sensitive about the subject of pace of change
 (how quickly their state of consciousness shifts
 radically enough for them to notice) that they 
 perceive anyone who even brings the subject up
 as making a value judgment.

Uh, no. We perceive *you* to be making a value
judgment because of the way you write about it.
Others here don't give the same impression at all.

 I don't think I was. I see no real value in a 
 fast pace of change itself, as long as there is
 steady, perceivable change. I'd see having one's 
 reality change radically many times a day or week 
 as being no more potentially valuable or interesting 
 than having it change radically every month. Or year. 

Strategic backpedal.

 Your reality *has* changed radically in the last 
 year, right? Or, at least it's changed radically
 since the time you started TM, right?

It's changing constantly, yes indeed. Hard to say
if it's radical without knowing how much change
is yet to occur.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality...what a concept

[TurquoiseB]

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 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
   wrote:
 snip
  I guess what I'm trying to say is that reality seems
  to be a concept that people whose realities don't
  change very quickly are interested in. They stay in
  pretty much the same state of consciousness for long
  periods of time. When reality changes on you more
  quickly -- say, dozens of times in an hour -- you 
  lose your fascination for the concept. Or at least 
  I did.
 
 (Note the implied value judgment, BTW.)

It was noted. I was wondering whether
or not to take it personally...
   
   Naah. We're all in the same boat here relative
   to Barry.
  
  I should point out, just for the fun of it,
  that there is no implied value judgment in
  my original statement. It is merely a *descrip-
  tion* of two different ways of living.
 
 No, it's a value judgment, yet another instance
 of your exalting your own spiritual development
 and denigrating that of others. You do it
 *constantly*. It's obvious from the way you
 write about it, from the tone of your
 descriptions.

As opposed to say, *denigrating* another
person's spiritual development and/or character
constantly. Say, for example, in a total of 72
posts ragging on him and trying to provoke him
into an argument since he said clearly that he 
wasn't going to get sucked into arguing with you?  :-)

 (And you aren't commenting just for the fun of
 it, either.)

Ah, but I am. You just can't understand that 
because your crusade against me ISN'T fun for
you. It's a way to use the mechanics of karma
to keep your own state of attention comfortably 
low.

Whatever floats yer boat.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Moscow Gold??

[cardemaister]

What the heck is Benson  Hedges Moscow Gold in Pan's
About box? A cigarette brand?

[FairfieldLife] More YouTube -- Arthur C. Clarke, The Colors of Infinity

[TurquoiseB]

From another forum:

Arthur C Clarke died on Tuesday March 18/08 ... After 90 
orbits, a most interesting mind. Below are links to a most 
interesting video he produced. Use the links ... 1 through 
6 to view the complete video.

1- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB8m85p7GsUfeature=related

2- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gKOB6spCb8feature=related

3- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZsVrHCPOiofeature=related

4- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXngUyOS-XMfeature=related

5- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjdogjBxfcofeature=related

6- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8Y6xpeQK-wfeature=related

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality...what a concept

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis 
 tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote:
 
   Barry writes snipped:
   I'm completely *comfortable* with the notion of there
   being a Saganesque billions and billions of realities. 
   That poses no problem for me whatsoever. 
  
  TomT:
  For me it appears to be a Baskin and Robbins store with trillions 
  of flavors and ultimately the only thing you can know is the 
  flavor of you the perceiver. It has your flavor as it is filtered 
  through the DNA you are made of. You impart the flavor by the act 
  of perceiving.
  Have fun. TOm
 
 so the Saganesque and Baskin and Robbins store containers 
 are what each of you conceptually use as your metaphors for 
 reality with a capital R. 

What I think we are saying (I hope Tom will
forgive me for speaking for him) is that we
don't feel any need to delude ourselves into
thinking that 1) there is such a thing as
Reality with a capital R, or 2) that we know
what it is. reality (or realities) with a 
lowercase r is just fine for us.

The point I've been trying to make is that
reality is merely a *concept*. It can't stand
on its own; it does not and cannot have an
existence independent of a perceiver. It needs 
a perceiver to *perceive* reality, or to 
distinguish it from (if such a thing existed) 
non-reality. It's a codependent relationship. :-)

And the moment you bring a perceiver into the
equation, you have Point Of View. That POV, in
the perceiver, has to color the nature of the
perceived. Some claim that they can attain a
state of consciousness or POV that is color-
less, and that as a result what they perceive
is accurate -- Reality. I don't buy it. (As an
aside, you may feel that your SOC is colorless,
but it took less than two days for most people
here to figure out who you were when you began
posting under another ID. How colorless is that?)

I feel that the state of consciousness of UC or 
BC is *just* as colored as any other, and that 
what beings in that state of consciousness perceive
from the POV of UC or BC is *just* as much a
consensual reality based on interdependent
origination as the reality perceived by someone
in total ignorance. It's just a *different*
reality, that's all.

I don't get the seeming need to believe that
one knows what Reality (capital R) is, or to
claim that one perceives it. It seems to be just
another way of saying, I'm the best. I'm content
with enjoying the parade of realities as they go by.

 As someone said recently somewhere else, its a lot 
 like ignorance, only with that 'darned' fullness.

It's EXACTLY like ignorance, INCLUDING the fullness.
The fullness is present in ignorance as well. And
neither state has anything whatsoever to do with
Reality IMO. Just one more reality. Chop wood,
carry water, ad infinitum.

If you bristle at this idea, doncha think it might
have something to do with being attached to not 
only thinking that you know Reality but convincing
others that you know it?  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[hugheshugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gruntlespam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Just finished watching the program...
 
 
 
 She hears about the Unified Field Theory and remarks in the voice-
over how that's not 
 even been established yet. Shame they could not get John Hagelin 
to have a chat with her. 
 Don't know what she would have made of a fellow physicist - he is 
very eloquent.

I'm positive she would have been even more sceptical after meeting 
Hagelin, he can be as eloquent as he likes as he talks a load of crap 
and undoubtably knows it, the only physicists that still entertain 
the CasUF idea are the what the bleep crowd and I'm sure that if 
pushed they would admit that it's just one idea among many, either 
that or they disqualify themselves as genuine scientists. Quantum 
physics and jyotish nuff said. 



 
 She remarks how all the secrecy seems so odd, and baulks at the 
$2,500 to learn!!! But 
 she say how happy and content everyone looks. No mention of the ME.
 

 How amazing it would have been if she'd tried these other buddhist 
meditations, and then 
 been able to learn TM for say just $100 in a simple and un-strange 
environment. It would 
 have been great to see what her experience would have been. You 
would have thought 
 that they would have at least taught her - but no; that's just not 
what there about.


I thought she should have learned TM as she tried the others, but you 
don't know what went on behind the scenes, she may have asked to film 
the teaching or asked for a freebie. Or maybe just assumed that all 
meditation techniques are the same and therefore already knew what 
was going on.

But I doubt that, I worked for the press office and no-one ever got 
away without a major lecture and a few hundred info sheets to read. 
They probably just freaked her out. People in the TMO really think 
that Hagelin has finished Einstiens work and is the greatest 
scientist ever. All because MMY told them so, not many physicists 
would be impressed with that. Outraged actually.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More YouTube -- Arthur C. Clarke, The Colors of Infinity

[hugheshugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From another forum:
 
 Arthur C Clarke died on Tuesday March 18/08 ... After 90 
 orbits, a most interesting mind. Below are links to a most 
 interesting video he produced. Use the links ... 1 through 
 6 to view the complete video.
 
 1- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB8m85p7GsUfeature=related
 
 2- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gKOB6spCb8feature=related
 
 3- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZsVrHCPOiofeature=related
 
 4- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXngUyOS-XMfeature=related
 
 5- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjdogjBxfcofeature=related
 
 6- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8Y6xpeQK-wfeature=related



Good post. aren't they amazing, I could stare into fractals all day. 
I like the thumbprint of God quote, they always made me wonder if 
something really fundamentally strange was going on or if it was just 
maths playing tricks on us, shall watch the whole show and hopefully 
find out.

It gave me a bit of a flashback too, bonus!

[FairfieldLife] File - FFL Acronyms

[FairfieldLife]

BC - Brahman Consciousness
BN - Bliss Ninny or Bliss Nazi
CC - Cosmic Consciousness
GC - God Consciousness
MMY - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
OTP - Off the Program - a phrase used in the TM movement meaning to do 
something (such as see another spiritual teacher) considered in violation of 
Maharishi's program.
POV - Point of View
SBS - Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Maharishi's master
SCI – Science of Creative Intelligence
SOC - State of Consciousness
SSRS - Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (Pundit-ji)
SV - Stpathya Ved (Vedic Architecture)
TB - True Believer (in TM doctrines)
TNB - True Non-Believer
TMO - The Transcendental Meditation organization
TTC – TM Teacher Training Course
UC - Unity Consciousness
YMMV = Your Mileage may vary



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gruntlespam gruntlespam@ 
 wrote:
 
  Just finished watching the program...
  
  
  
  She hears about the Unified Field Theory and remarks in the voice-
 over how that's not 
  even been established yet. Shame they could not get John Hagelin 
 to have a chat with her. 
  Don't know what she would have made of a fellow physicist - he is 
 very eloquent.
 
 I'm positive she would have been even more sceptical after meeting 
 Hagelin, he can be as eloquent as he likes as he talks a load of crap 
 and undoubtably knows it, the only physicists that still entertain 
 the CasUF idea are the what the bleep crowd and I'm sure that if 
 pushed they would admit that it's just one idea among many, either 
 that or they disqualify themselves as genuine scientists. Quantum 
 physics and jyotish nuff said. 
 

Well, most people who push the Consciousness as teh Unified Field idea don't 
understand 
Hagelin's writings about it. For that matter, those that COULD understand 
Hagelin's ideas 
about it, haven't read his more serious essays on the subject.

Have you? I mean the original math-laden papers, not the What the Bleep sound 
bites, or 
the lectures he gives to the TM faithful at MUM.


 
 
  
  She remarks how all the secrecy seems so odd, and baulks at the 
 $2,500 to learn!!! But 
  she say how happy and content everyone looks. No mention of the ME.
  
 
  How amazing it would have been if she'd tried these other buddhist 
 meditations, and then 
  been able to learn TM for say just $100 in a simple and un-strange 
 environment. It would 
  have been great to see what her experience would have been. You 
 would have thought 
  that they would have at least taught her - but no; that's just not 
 what there about.
 
 
 I thought she should have learned TM as she tried the others, but you 
 don't know what went on behind the scenes, she may have asked to film 
 the teaching or asked for a freebie. Or maybe just assumed that all 
 meditation techniques are the same and therefore already knew what 
 was going on.
 
 But I doubt that, I worked for the press office and no-one ever got 
 away without a major lecture and a few hundred info sheets to read. 
 They probably just freaked her out. People in the TMO really think 
 that Hagelin has finished Einstiens work and is the greatest 
 scientist ever. All because MMY told them so, not many physicists 
 would be impressed with that. Outraged actually.


yeah, but actually, how familiar are you with Hagelin's work? Have you read ANY 
of his 
papers? 

And its not like the rest of Hagelin's friends in the Ellis-Hagelin-Nanapolous 
collaboration 
on Flipped SU(5) were completely silent about consciousness and the unified 
field.

For example:

http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/9510003v1

ON A POSSIBLE CONNECTION OF NON-CRITICAL STRINGS TO 
CERTAIN ASPECTS OF QUANTUM BRAIN FUNCTION 
D.V. Nanopoulosa,  (speaker) and N. E. Mavromatosb 



Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: More YouTube -- Arthur C. Clarke, The Colors of Infinity

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 From another forum:
 
 Arthur C Clarke died on Tuesday March 18/08 ... After 90 
 orbits, a most interesting mind. Below are links to a most 
 interesting video he produced. Use the links ... 1 through 
 6 to view the complete video.
 
 1- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB8m85p7GsUfeature=related
 
 2- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gKOB6spCb8feature=related
 
 3- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZsVrHCPOiofeature=related
 
 4- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXngUyOS-XMfeature=related
 
 5- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjdogjBxfcofeature=related
 
 6- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8Y6xpeQK-wfeature=related


Thanks, Barry! Watching those I found a version of Red House
that I've never heard before! The background seems to be the
same as on the European release of Are You Experienced, but
Jimi's part feels like a later version, or stuff?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehi9h5mn9WA

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fitna

[Vaj]

What, no review?

On Apr 1, 2008, at 12:41 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:


http://tinyurl.com/2rfy6c

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rationale for the Maharishi Effect

[dhamiltony2k5]

Om, their grand experiment...  What could they possibly do to get the 
numbers they need for their utopia?  People seem to be staying 
outside or not coming back in.  What could they do to change that 
direction?

Jai Guru Dev,

-Doug in FF

163190
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: David Orme-Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 12:08 PM
 To: David Orme-Johnson
 Subject: Rationale for the Maharishi Effect
 
  
 
 Dear Colleagues,
 
  
 
 The rationale for the Maharishi Effect, which holds that we exist 
in a field
 of consciousness through which everyone is connected, is a very old 
idea
 with a high pedigree. Even more exciting is that the modern seers 
who know
 natural law the best, the greatest physicists of our time, have 
been lead by
 their discoveries to the realization that consciousness is the most
 fundamental level of natural law. 
 
  
 
 I just added a rationale section to TruthAboutTM.com, snappily 
entitled
 HYPERLINK
 http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/SocietalEffects/Rationale-
Research/index.
 cfm#rationaleSome Conceptual Precedents for a Field Theoretic View 
of
 Consciousness from the Perennial Philosophy, Social Sciences, and 
Quantum
 Physics.
 
  
 
 You can go to the link above to view the whole thing, and/or here 
are some
 excerpts. 
 
  
 
 Perennial Philosophy. The suggestion that individuals interact 
directly at a
 distance through an underlying common field of consciousness has a 
long
 history. Indeed, it is embedded in the perennial philosophy, the 
term
 Aldous Huxley (1945) first applied to the universal system of 
thought that
 has persisted throughout history in all parts of the world and which
 continues to be seriously discussed by major thinkers, as 
documented by
 Sheer (1994). The key tenets of the perennial philosophy can be 
stated as:
 (1) the phenomenal world is a manifestation of an unmanifest 
transcendental
 ground, a field of consciousness or Being, which is the infinite 
organizing
 power structuring all forms and phenomena in the universe; (2) the 
human
 mind also has a transcendental ground, which is the silent level of
 transcendental consciousness at the basis of all thought and 
perception; (3)
 transcendental consciousness is the direct experience by the 
individual of
 the transcendental ground of the universe; and (4), this experience
 organizes individual and collective life to be fully evolutionary, 
creative,
 harmonious, and problem-free. From this perspective, the key to 
creating an
 ideal society is a technology that promotes transcending from the 
waking
 state mind to experience transcendental consciousness (Maharishi, 
1977). The
 physiological correlates of transcendental consciousness through 
Maharishi's
 Transcendental Meditation technique have been extensively studied 
(e.g.,
 Wallace, 1970; Travis  Pearson, 1999; Travis, Tecce, Arenander,  
Wallace,
 2002).
 
  
 
 The transcendental ground of the universe is conceived of in terms 
of a God
 concept in many cultures. In others, like Taoism and Vedanta, it is 
simply
 regarded as an abstract field of pure consciousness.
 
  
 
 Social Sciences. Concepts of collective consciousness have been 
proposed by
 some of the founders of the social sciences, such as Fechner's
 transcendental basis of perception, Durkheim's conscience 
collective, and
 Jung's collective unconscious. 
 
  
 
 Gustav Fechner is best known for developing methods of measuring 
sensory
 thresholds, which are the least amounts of energy that the senses 
can
 detect. What motivated his studies of thresholds was his experience 
of a
 single transcendental continuum of general consciousness 
underlying the
 discontinuities of numerous localized individual minds associated 
with
 different people. He illustrated the idea with a model in which 
individual
 minds were likened to separate islands in the water. But if the 
level of the
 water were lowered sufficiently, the islands would be seen to 
actually be
 mountains that are connected at their base by the ground. Like 
that, if the
 perceptual threshold were insensitive, as is usually the case, then 
each
 individual mind would experience itself as isolated from other 
minds. But if
 the sensory threshold were sufficiently refined, Fechner believed, 
the
 individual would experience the continuity of consciousness at the 
basis of
 all minds. Fechner felt that such a lowering of the sensory 
threshold was
 what happened to him when he himself had a direct experience of 
what he
 called the general consciousness.
 
  
 
 Physics. Many of the founders of modern physics have expressed their
 insights that, like the perennial philosophy, the ultimate reality 
is a
 field of consciousness. Although the remarks of great scientists 
are not
 formally a part of science, it is significant that those who 
understand the
 scientific paradigm most clearly have made such statements. For 
example, Sir
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rationale for the Maharishi Effect

[Vaj]

On Apr 1, 2008, at 8:04 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:


Om, their grand experiment...  What could they possibly do to get the
numbers they need for their utopia?  People seem to be staying
outside or not coming back in.  What could they do to change that
direction?



Import aliens desperate to get into America via their university  
front and outsource meditators from India by using Vedic pundits.


Since nature no longer supports TM/TMSP and the TMO, maybe they could  
waterboard mother nature in some Vedic way?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality...what a concept

[tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis]

Barry writes snipped:
 Have fun. TOm

Always. You, too, I trust...

TomT:
It seems that is our purpose or so it seems. Anyway it seems a lot
that laughter is the constant and that being around people is the
source of amusement. The recognition there is only one of us and it
has our flavor because we are the experiencer is a real hoot after all
these years of chasing, seeking and being on the path and to find we
are IT. Thanks for all the joy that comes from reading all the ways I
can express myself. Tom 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[Vaj]

On Mar 31, 2008, at 8:10 PM, gruntlespam wrote:


Sorry - not sure why my lines are wrapping, I'm on a Mac.

Click on the subject at the top of my post, then show msg info,  
then unwrap lines.


What's the secret to no line wrapping on a Mac??

Note - Stephen Fry is not in the show at all. Could be another show.



Use Apple Mail, not the Yahoo!-based website.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality...what a concept

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Barry writes snipped:
  Have fun. 
 
 Always. You, too, I trust...
 
 TomT:
 It seems that is our purpose or so it seems. 

This could be interpreted as a throwaway comment
on your part, but I don't see it as one, because
I thoroughly agree. I think that fun is one of
the most misunderstood principles in the universe,
and the one that can show us the most about whether
we're as on the path as we think we are.

 Anyway it seems a lot
 that laughter is the constant and that being around 
 people is the source of amusement. The recognition 
 there is only one of us and it has our flavor because 
 we are the experiencer is a real hoot after all these 
 years of chasing, seeking and being on the path and 
 to find we are IT. Thanks for all the joy that comes 
 from reading all the ways I can express myself. Tom

Indeed. 

There was an old seminal science fiction novel
that I liked called The Sheep Look Up. In it,
there is a character who is perpetually stoned
on the designer psychedelics of the day. His
idea of fun is looking at the TV News and saying
over and over, Wow! What an *imagination* I've
got!  :-)

If all of you guys and gals are me, we are 
doing a fine job of being entertaining and 
amusing IMO.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality...what a concept

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
  No, it's a value judgment, yet another instance
  of your exalting your own spiritual development
  and denigrating that of others. 
snip
 
 As opposed to say, *denigrating* another
 person's spiritual development and/or character
 constantly.

This is funny. Barry repeats my exact words and
prefaces them with as opposed to, as if he
thought he had changed them to their opposite.

I'll take that as his inadvertent acquiescence
to what I wrote about him.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[gruntlespam]

On a side note, what's interesting about this BBC synopsis on the show,
and the BBC show it self - is how the BBC now feel the need to dumb-down
everything and add drama all the time.

They make it seem like research is just starting, when it's been going on
for years. And the point about interest in meditation [could] turn out to be
a passing fad is just moronically funny - yeah, like a fad lasting 5,000
years or more.

But as I mention above, the research about part of the cortex actually 
thickening
by around .1mm to .2mm is simply astonishing. A demostratable physical change
of substance - not just lines on a graph or MRI scans.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Good synopsis and points. Actually the TM part seemed rather 
 insubstantial and the general impression came across that all the 
 scientific claims for TM (for cardiovascular effects, for instance)
 did not amount to much when properly reviewed. The following piece 
 from BBC Health News is all about the programme and there is not even 
 a mention of TM  
 
 Scientists probe meditation secrets 
 By Naomi Law  
 
 Scientists are beginning to uncover evidence that meditation has a 
 tangible effect on the brain. 
 
 Sceptics argue that it is not a practical way to try to deal with the 
 stresses of modern life. 
 
 But the long years when adherents were unable to point to hard 
 science to support their belief in the technique may finally be 
 coming to an end. 
 
 When Carol Cattley's husband died it triggered a relapse of the 
 depression which had not plagued her since she was a teenager. 
 
 I instantly felt as if I wanted to die, she said. I couldn't think 
 of what else to do. 
 
 Carol sought medical help and managed to control her depression with 
 a combination of medication and a psychological treatment called 
 Cognitive Behavioural Therapy. 
 
 However, she believes that a new, increasingly popular course called 
 Mindfulness Based Cognitive Therapy (MBCT) - which primarily consists 
 of meditation - brought about her full recovery. 
 
 It is currently available in every county across the UK, and can be 
 prescribed on the NHS. 
 
 One of the pioneers of MBCT is Professor Mark Williams, from the 
 Department of Psychiatry at the University of Oxford. 
 
 He helps to lead group courses which take place over a period of 
 eight weeks. He describes the approach as 80% meditation, 20% 
 cognitive therapy. 
 
 New perspective 
 
 He said: It teaches a way of looking at problems, observing them 
 clearly but not necessarily trying to fix them or solve them. 
 
 It suggests to people that they begin to see all their thoughts as 
 just thoughts, whether they are positive, negative or neutral. 
 
 MBCT is recommended for people who are not currently depressed, but 
 who have had three or more bouts of depression in their lives. 
 
 Trials suggest that the course reduces the likelihood of another 
 attack of depression by over 50%. 
 
 Professor Williams believes that more research is still needed. 
 
 He said: It is becoming enormously popular quite quickly and in many 
 ways we now need to collect the evidence to check that it really is 
 being effective. 
 
 However, in the meantime, meditation is being taken seriously as a 
 means of tackling difficult and very modern challenges. 
 
 Scientists are beginning to investigate how else meditation could be 
 used, particularly for those at risk of suicide and people struggling 
 with the effects of substance abuse. 
 
 What is meditation? 
 
 Meditation is difficult to define because it has so many different 
 forms. 
 
 
  By meditating, you can become happier, you can concentrate more 
 effectively and you can change your brain in ways that support that 
 Dr Richard Davidson  
 
 Broadly, it can be described as a mental practice in which you focus 
 your attention on a particular subject or object. 
 
 It has historically been associated with religion, but it can also be 
 secular, and exactly what you focus your attention on is largely a 
 matter of personal choice. 
 
 It may be a mantra (repeated word or phrase), breathing patterns, or 
 simply an awareness of being alive. 
 
 Some of the more common forms of meditative practices include 
 Buddhist Meditation, Mindfulness Meditation, Transcendental 
 Meditation, and Zen Meditation. 
 
 The claims made for meditation range from increasing immunity, 
 improving asthma and increasing fertility through to reducing the 
 effects of aging. 
 
 Limited research 
 
 Research into the health claims made for meditation has limitations 
 and few conclusions can be reached, partly because meditation is 
 rarely isolated - it is often practised alongside other lifestyle 
 changes such as diet, or exercise, or as part of group therapy. 
 
 So should we dismiss it as quackery? Studies from the field of 
 neuroscience suggest not. 
 
 It is a new area of research, but indications are intriguing and 
 suggest 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[Vaj]

On Apr 1, 2008, at 10:05 AM, claudiouk wrote:


Yes I think the cortex thikening is interesting. I must say I had
assumed that the evidence of health benefits of TM was well
established. But I came across this 2007 independent review which
doesn't appear to rate any of the meditation research.. (same one
cited on the programme?):
http://www.ahrq.gov/downloads/pub/evidence/pdf/meditation/medit.pdf
Surely this is just too negative?



Nope, it's actually an excellent review of the science used in  
meditation research and just how scientific it is.


But really, much of what's touted by TM researchers was disproved way  
back in the 80's. In some cases the TM researchers didn't even bother  
to respond when independent researchers pointed out the errors in  
their research! If anything, TMO-based meditation research is a good  
example of how NOT to do meditation research!


Another nice review of meditation research can be found in The  
Cambridge Handbook of Consciousness, a textbook for neuroscientists  
from Cambridge University. It's section on meditation and  
neurosceince objectively reviews some of the exaggerated claims by TM  
cult researchers, esp. the specious claim of coherence during TM.  
It turns out what they've been touting for years now is statistically  
insignificant and often seen in normal waking state!


This paper can be found at:

http://www.box.net/shared/kcnprcg5fq

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[claudiouk]

Yes I think the cortex thikening is interesting. I must say I had 
assumed that the evidence of health benefits of TM was well 
established. But I came across this 2007 independent review which 
doesn't appear to rate any of the meditation research.. (same one 
cited on the programme?):
http://www.ahrq.gov/downloads/pub/evidence/pdf/meditation/medit.pdf
Surely this is just too negative?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gruntlespam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On a side note, what's interesting about this BBC synopsis on the 
show,
 and the BBC show it self - is how the BBC now feel the need to dumb-
down
 everything and add drama all the time.
 
 They make it seem like research is just starting, when it's been 
going on
 for years. And the point about interest in meditation [could] turn 
out to be
 a passing fad is just moronically funny - yeah, like a fad 
lasting 5,000
 years or more.
 
 But as I mention above, the research about part of the cortex 
actually thickening
 by around .1mm to .2mm is simply astonishing. A demostratable 
physical change
 of substance - not just lines on a graph or MRI scans.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ 
wrote:
 
  Good synopsis and points. Actually the TM part seemed rather 
  insubstantial and the general impression came across that all the 
  scientific claims for TM (for cardiovascular effects, for 
instance)
  did not amount to much when properly reviewed. The following 
piece 
  from BBC Health News is all about the programme and there is not 
even 
  a mention of TM  
  
  Scientists probe meditation secrets 
  By Naomi Law  
  
  Scientists are beginning to uncover evidence that meditation has 
a 
  tangible effect on the brain. 
  
  Sceptics argue that it is not a practical way to try to deal with 
the 
  stresses of modern life. 
  
  But the long years when adherents were unable to point to hard 
  science to support their belief in the technique may finally be 
  coming to an end. 
  
  When Carol Cattley's husband died it triggered a relapse of the 
  depression which had not plagued her since she was a teenager. 
  
  I instantly felt as if I wanted to die, she said. I couldn't 
think 
  of what else to do. 
  
  Carol sought medical help and managed to control her depression 
with 
  a combination of medication and a psychological treatment called 
  Cognitive Behavioural Therapy. 
  
  However, she believes that a new, increasingly popular course 
called 
  Mindfulness Based Cognitive Therapy (MBCT) - which primarily 
consists 
  of meditation - brought about her full recovery. 
  
  It is currently available in every county across the UK, and can 
be 
  prescribed on the NHS. 
  
  One of the pioneers of MBCT is Professor Mark Williams, from the 
  Department of Psychiatry at the University of Oxford. 
  
  He helps to lead group courses which take place over a period of 
  eight weeks. He describes the approach as 80% meditation, 20% 
  cognitive therapy. 
  
  New perspective 
  
  He said: It teaches a way of looking at problems, observing them 
  clearly but not necessarily trying to fix them or solve them. 
  
  It suggests to people that they begin to see all their thoughts 
as 
  just thoughts, whether they are positive, negative or neutral. 
  
  MBCT is recommended for people who are not currently depressed, 
but 
  who have had three or more bouts of depression in their lives. 
  
  Trials suggest that the course reduces the likelihood of another 
  attack of depression by over 50%. 
  
  Professor Williams believes that more research is still needed. 
  
  He said: It is becoming enormously popular quite quickly and in 
many 
  ways we now need to collect the evidence to check that it really 
is 
  being effective. 
  
  However, in the meantime, meditation is being taken seriously as 
a 
  means of tackling difficult and very modern challenges. 
  
  Scientists are beginning to investigate how else meditation could 
be 
  used, particularly for those at risk of suicide and people 
struggling 
  with the effects of substance abuse. 
  
  What is meditation? 
  
  Meditation is difficult to define because it has so many 
different 
  forms. 
  
  
   By meditating, you can become happier, you can concentrate more 
  effectively and you can change your brain in ways that support 
that 
  Dr Richard Davidson  
  
  Broadly, it can be described as a mental practice in which you 
focus 
  your attention on a particular subject or object. 
  
  It has historically been associated with religion, but it can 
also be 
  secular, and exactly what you focus your attention on is largely 
a 
  matter of personal choice. 
  
  It may be a mantra (repeated word or phrase), breathing patterns, 
or 
  simply an awareness of being alive. 
  
  Some of the more common forms of meditative practices include 
  Buddhist Meditation, Mindfulness Meditation, Transcendental 
  Meditation, and Zen Meditation. 
  
  The claims made 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[Vaj]

On Apr 1, 2008, at 9:08 AM, gruntlespam wrote:

On a side note, what's interesting about this BBC synopsis on the  
show,
and the BBC show it self - is how the BBC now feel the need to dumb- 
down

everything and add drama all the time.

They make it seem like research is just starting, when it's been  
going on

for years.


While pilot-style research has been going on for years, really good  
research is just starting by and large. I haven't really seen any  
good research from the TMO, with controls, lack of bias, etc. There  
has however been some good independent research on TM since the  
heyday of the TMO, but it sadly reverses many of the specious claims  
of the TMO.



And the point about interest in meditation [could] turn out to be
a passing fad is just moronically funny - yeah, like a fad  
lasting 5,000

years or more.


:-)



But as I mention above, the research about part of the cortex  
actually thickening
by around .1mm to .2mm is simply astonishing. A demostratable  
physical change

of substance - not just lines on a graph or MRI scans.


It was a major step forward for neuroplasticity as a real phenomenon.  
Some of the new research from that same lab is just astounding and  
seeing publication in major, highly reputed journals. Hold onto your  
seat as in the next two years you're going to be seeing the results  
of the most detailed research on meditation yet, with controls,  
excellent study design and no bias.

[FairfieldLife] Re: File - FFL Acronyms

[Richard J. Williams]

Marshy - Maharishi
TM - Transcendental Meditation
MUM - Maharishi University of Management
SBAL - Science of Being and Art of Living
CBG - Commentary on Bhagavad Gita
YS - Yoga Sutra
AofE - Age of Enlightenment
ATC - Advanced Technology Center
CCP - Conciousness Creating Program
TMer - someone who practices TM twice a day
EDG - see shitheel
SOB - son of a bitch
GTH - go to hell
WM - war monger, U.S. voter
CUR - See War Monger
NC - nut case, willytex
AMT - usenet meditation forum
OT - off topic post

Favorite phreases:

Sick Twister - see nut case
Shitheel - see troll
Diddled - fucked up and over
Troll - someone you disagree with
Raksasa - nigger devil or black demon
Scumbucket - truth purveyer
Junk Yard Dog - a kind of snapper

[snip]

 BC - Brahman Consciousness
 BN - Bliss Ninny or Bliss Nazi
 CC - Cosmic Consciousness
 GC - God Consciousness
 MMY - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
 OTP - Off the Program 
 POV - Point of View
 SBS - Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Maharishi's master
 SCI – Science of Creative Intelligence
 SOC - State of Consciousness
 SSRS - Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (Pundit-ji)
 SV - Stpathya Ved (Vedic Architecture)
 TB - True Believer (in TM doctrines)
 TNB - True Non-Believer
 TMO - The Transcendental Meditation organization
 TTC – TM Teacher Training Course
 UC - Unity Consciousness
 YMMV = Your Mileage may vary

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[uns_tressor]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I thought she should have learned TM as she tried the 
 others, but you don't know what went on behind the scenes,
 she may have asked to film 
 the teaching or asked for a freebie...

The fee would not have been an issue. The Beeb has deep 
pockets. Don't forget that the programme was pitched for
the layman, although she touched on advanced topics.

The tragedy is that the price structure and organisation
in the UK is not capable of making the most of the event.

What is Vedic City ? MIU? Is so, a bit pretentious. Anyway,
where is your cathedral?  Tell me it isn't the dome.
Uns.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[hugheshugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo 
richardhughes103@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gruntlespam 
gruntlespam@ 
  wrote:
 


 Quantum physics and jyotish nuff said. 
 
 
 Well, most people who push the Consciousness as teh Unified Field 
idea don't understand 
 Hagelin's writings about it. For that matter, those that COULD 
understand Hagelin's ideas 
 about it, haven't read his more serious essays on the subject.
 
 Have you? I mean the original math-laden papers, not the What the 
Bleep sound bites, or 
 the lectures he gives to the TM faithful at MUM.
 

The lectures he gives to the faithful are the same stuff he tries to 
get published aren't they? Or if you think that isn't the case you'd 
better ask why not. Isn't it good enough?

I heard that Lawrence Domash said to MMY about no-one knowing if 
consciousness was the UF and MMY said WE are the leaders of this 
field How far would any of them have got in the TMO if they'd put 
their foot down and said let's stick to the facts?

And if I can tell his quantum physics of yogic flying and jyotish is 
a load of crap what do you think Stephen Hawking is going to say?

Do you honestly think the rest of the scientific world are trailing 
in his wake? He comes over as a nice guy but he has clearly abandoned 
science, he wouldn't even hand over his data on the washington study 
on the ME. No wonder he got the Ignoble prize.

I've always thought his job is to hoodwink the party faithful by 
blinding them with little understood, but vaguely familiar, 
scientific concepts into thinking the knowledge is on stable 
ground. Even I know that quantum tunnelling has got nothing to do 
with astrology. Hell, my dog could probably work that out. There 
aren't even the right number of planets in the vedic horoscope! It's 
so awful I can't believe it.


 
 
 And its not like the rest of Hagelin's friends in the Ellis-Hagelin-
Nanapolous collaboration 
 on Flipped SU(5) were completely silent about consciousness and the 
unified field.
 
 For example:
 
 http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/9510003v1
 
 ON A POSSIBLE CONNECTION OF NON-CRITICAL STRINGS TO 
 CERTAIN ASPECTS OF QUANTUM BRAIN FUNCTION 
 D.V. Nanopoulosa,  (speaker) and N. E. Mavromatosb 
 
 
 
 Lawson


Fascinating paper, I'm familiar with this quantum microtubule theory 
of consciousness from Roger Penrose, most researchers into 
consciousness poo-poo the idea but I can't see the harm in 
speculating as the brain would obviously have exploited any physical 
system to give it an advantage in it's evolution. In fact most of the 
objections to this idea come from people who think it's unnecessary 
to involve the Planck level in the brain at the moment. As 
consciousness is so poorly understood why make it more complex than 
it needs to be just because you can cram the math in there somehow? 
But until they come up with an alternative explanation that obviates 
the need for it the possibility will remain as an intruiging idea. A 
scientific truth? Not yet, not by a long way.

But unless my quick read through missed something it doesn't actually 
mention the unified field. Did I miss it? I think not as quantum 
events at the Planck scale are well understood and not remotely 
mysterious unlike the Vedic idea of reality which, lets face it, is 
what JH is trying to get us to believe, and without evidence.

I think the idea that consciousness came before anything else is 
going to be tricky to fit into a theory of how the brain evolved to 
be conscious. It's a religious idea and I don't think many are ready 
to go there as not only is there no evidence but plenty of 
explanations that make consciousness redundant in collapsing 
waveforms which is how it got there in the first place. 

For instance, have you heard of David Deutsch? He leads a team at 
Oxford doing research into a new multiple universe theory.

Treat yourself to the book;

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140146903/drdaviddeutsch

It's a good one, mind-blowing actually. Just might be all you ever 
need to know. It's uphill all the way but he's a great communicator, 
the chapter on Youngs double slit theory kept me awake all night.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 Another nice review of meditation research can be found in
 The Cambridge Handbook of Consciousness, a textbook for 
 neuroscientists from Cambridge University. It's section on 
 meditation and neurosceince objectively reviews some of the 
 exaggerated claims by TM cult researchers, esp. the specious
 claim of coherence during TM. It turns out what they've
 been touting for years now is statistically insignificant
 and often seen in normal waking state!

As Vaj knows but doesn't tell you, there are several
*very* serious problems with the treatment of TM research
in this study, including that the authors didn't bother
to look at the most recent *20 years* of research on TM.

See, for instance, posts #168345, #168474, and #168493
for more. The problems with the study have been discussed
extensively here.

Vaj is most definitely not an objective evaluator of TM
research (note his phrase TM cult researchers above,
just for an obvious and immediate example). He likes to
pretend that all TM research has been *disproved*, but
of course that isn't the case at all. It hasn't been
confirmed either, but the point is that the jury is
still out; no definitive verdict has been rendered.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reviews of Miller's Book

[s3raphita]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steveemming [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Has Anyone read Jon Michael Millers' Book? It's called A Wave on 
the 
 Ocean: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Transcendental Meditation, Mallory 
and 
 Me. Please submit a review. This one book came out and I must of 
missed 
 it.

Jon Michael Miller was a former Governor-cum-Ambassador in the TM 
movement through the 1970s and has penned an autobiographical account 
of his ups and downs. (His book is on the Lulu label – a print-on-
demand, self-publishing outfit.) 
Be aware that the first half of the book has no reference to TM 
whatsoever but is an account of Miller's journey from poor country 
boy origins (Pennsylvania way) through to college lecturer in English 
(which doesn't prevent a lot of literals in the text, such as Jane 
AustIn and GinsbUrg). Mostly though we learn of his complicated 
love life. His very complicated love life. He alternates between 
hedonistic periods involving a succession of liberated ladies while 
pining for a more committed and meaningful relationship and then 
marrying more suitable (?) women (plural) who he then quickly tires 
of. Eventually Miller develops a habit of using porn on the one hand 
(no pun intended) and on the other romantically fixating on a former 
idealised lover - and fellow TMer - the Mallory of the book's 
title. It's not her real name but as his lady love used to teach 
Sanskrit at MIT and still lives in Fairfield, with the help of other 
details in the book she shouldn't be hard to identify for locals. As 
the lady doesn't approve of Miller's book, however, no doubt she 
deserves to be left in peace.
Miller lacks the dry humour and eye for telling detail of Gilpin's 
recent Maharishi Effect or the insider celebrity goss of Nancy Cooke 
de Herrera's All You Need Is Love (both those are surely essential 
reads for Fairfield Lifers?). However he tells a (painfully) honest 
tale and for a reader who wants an alternative slant on the Movement 
during its period of greatest public exposure this could be worth a 
read. Miller had an interesting encounter with Aryan security supremo 
Peter Heubner (aka Hubner) at Seelisberg and he later worked for the 
TV channel KSCI when it first launched. Miller eventually left the 
Movement at the end of the seventies disillusioned with the elitism 
and the emphasis on siddhis and he seems to have also eventually 
abandoned meditation to return to his beloved Keats and Wordsworth. 
His admiration for Maharishi is undimmed however. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've always thought his job is to hoodwink the party faithful by 
 blinding them with little understood, but vaguely familiar, 
 scientific concepts into thinking the knowledge is on stable 
 ground. 

Bingo. There is no need to sell this crap to
the public. First, they wouldn't fall for it.
Second, they don't pay the bills. The party
faithful do.

 Even I know that quantum tunnelling has got nothing to do 
 with astrology. Hell, my dog could probably work that out. There 
 aren't even the right number of planets in the vedic horoscope! 
 It's so awful I can't believe it.

This is one of the reasons I'm actually looking
forward to the book that King Tony said he's
going to release -- whatever the heck it was.
Something about relating the Ramayana to physi-
ology?

I'm looking forward to some fitting of physi-
ological square pegs into Vedic round holes,
myself. For example, if some complicated theory 
requires six arms of yoga, are we suddenly all 
going to have six arms?  

Personally, I'm looking forward to his explan-
ation of the physiology of Krishna boinking all 
the gopis, and simultaneously. I suspect that 
Pfizer (maker of Viagra) will be interested, too.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[Vaj]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 snip
  Another nice review of meditation research can be found in
  The Cambridge Handbook of Consciousness, a textbook for 
  neuroscientists from Cambridge University. It's section on 
  meditation and neurosceince objectively reviews some of the 
  exaggerated claims by TM cult researchers, esp. the specious
  claim of coherence during TM. It turns out what they've
  been touting for years now is statistically insignificant
  and often seen in normal waking state!
 
 As Vaj knows but doesn't tell you, there are several
 *very* serious problems with the treatment of TM research
 in this study, including that the authors didn't bother
 to look at the most recent *20 years* of research on TM.


And of course, this is incorrect. There was TM research as recent as the year 
of 
publication. And of course the study in question only lists the studies they 
specifically 
refer to! This is part of what is known as the APA style, common in almost all 
research for 
publication.

Really since as early as the 1980's it was known and shown--and replicated 
sometimes as 
many as 3 times--that TM claims were and still are fallacious. Really after 
that was proven 
and replicated repeatedly, there wasn't much reason to emphasize the newer 
bogus 
research, but there is absolutely no indication whatsoever that these leading 
researchers 
are missing anything at all worth mentioning. Fortunately the Alberta study 
does show for 
us the continuing poor quality as it does show that TM research still is pretty 
much still 
just bad marketing research.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
snip
  Well, most people who push the Consciousness as teh Unified
  Field idea don't understand Hagelin's writings about it. For
  that matter, those that COULD understand Hagelin's ideas 
  about it, haven't read his more serious essays on the subject.
  
  Have you? I mean the original math-laden papers, not the What
  the Bleep sound bites, or the lectures he gives to the TM 
  faithful at MUM.
 
 The lectures he gives to the faithful are the same stuff he
 tries to get published aren't they?

Has had published, in major physics journals. (This
was pre-MUM, but Lawson's point is that he was already
doing professional-level work in this area.)

 Or if you think that isn't the case you'd 
 better ask why not. Isn't it good enough?

You have to be kidding. You can't give an advanced
physics lecture to people who aren't well schooled
in physics.

 I heard that Lawrence Domash said to MMY about no-one knowing if 
 consciousness was the UF and MMY said WE are the leaders of this 
 field How far would any of them have got in the TMO if they'd put 
 their foot down and said let's stick to the facts?

What are you supposed to do if you have a new
fact nobody else knows about yet? Discard it?

snip
 Do you honestly think the rest of the scientific world are
 trailing in his wake? He comes over as a nice guy but he has 
 clearly abandoned science, he wouldn't even hand over his data
 on the washington study on the ME. No wonder he got the Ignoble
 prize.

Er, the data for the D.C. study were from public
records. You weren't aware of that?

[FairfieldLife] What the American people are up against

[do.rflex]

http://tinyurl.com/yqkv4d

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Power Of Myth

[Gary Smith]

Hi Turq,
 
I appreciate the detailed response. I'm leaning towards a consultation. I've
spent enough time guessing which supplements are going to aid me in my
healing. I'll let you know how it turns out.
 
Thanks!
Gary

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reviews of Miller's Book

[s3raphita]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steveemming 
steveemming@ 
 wrote:
 
  Has Anyone read Jon Michael Millers' Book? It's called A Wave on 
 the 
  Ocean: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Transcendental Meditation, Mallory 
 and 
  Me. Please submit a review. This one book came out and I must of 
 missed 
  it.
 
 Jon Michael Miller was a former Governor-cum-Ambassador in the TM 
 movement through the 1970s and has penned an autobiographical 
account 
 of his ups and downs. (His book is on the Lulu label – a print-on-
 demand, self-publishing outfit.) 
 Be aware that the first half of the book has no reference to TM 
 whatsoever but is an account of Miller's journey from poor country 
 boy origins (Pennsylvania way) through to college lecturer in English 
 (which doesn't prevent a lot of literals in the text, such as Jane 
 AustIn and GinsbUrg). Mostly though we learn of his complicated 
 love life. His very complicated love life. He alternates between 
 hedonistic periods involving a succession of liberated ladies while 
 pining for a more committed and meaningful relationship and then 
 marrying more suitable (?) women (plural) who he then quickly tires 
 of. Eventually Miller develops a habit of using porn on the one hand 
 (no pun intended) and on the other romantically fixating on a former 
 idealised lover - and fellow TMer - the Mallory of the book's 
 title. It's not her real name but as his lady love used to teach 
 Sanskrit at MIT and still lives in Fairfield, with the help of other 
 details in the book she shouldn't be hard to identify for locals. As 
 the lady doesn't approve of Miller's book, however, no doubt she 
 deserves to be left in peace.
 Miller lacks the dry humour and eye for telling detail of Gilpin's 
 recent Maharishi Effect or the insider celebrity goss of Nancy Cooke 
 de Herrera's All You Need Is Love (both those are surely essential 
 reads for Fairfield Lifers?). However he tells a (painfully) honest 
 tale and for a reader who wants an alternative slant on the Movement 
 during its period of greatest public exposure this could be worth a 
 read. Miller had an interesting encounter with Aryan security supremo 
 Peter Heubner (aka Hubner) at Seelisberg and he later worked for the 
 TV channel KSCI when it first launched. Miller eventually left the 
 Movement at the end of the seventies disillusioned with the elitism 
 and the emphasis on siddhis and he seems to have also eventually 
 abandoned meditation to return to his beloved Keats and 
Wordsworth. 
 His admiration for Maharishi is undimmed however.

Sorry -my literal! Should read: his lady love used to teach Sanskrit at 
MIU and still lives in Fairfield And not Sanskrit at MIT - unless they're 
getting wise to Vedic anticipations of the unified field, of course. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
  snip
   Another nice review of meditation research can be found in
   The Cambridge Handbook of Consciousness, a textbook for 
   neuroscientists from Cambridge University. It's section on 
   meditation and neurosceince objectively reviews some of the 
   exaggerated claims by TM cult researchers, esp. the specious
   claim of coherence during TM. It turns out what they've
   been touting for years now is statistically insignificant
   and often seen in normal waking state!
  
  As Vaj knows but doesn't tell you, there are several
  *very* serious problems with the treatment of TM research
  in this study, including that the authors didn't bother
  to look at the most recent *20 years* of research on TM.
 
 And of course, this is incorrect. There was TM research as
 recent as the year of publication.

We've already covered this, as you know. Your assertion
is disingenuous.

Again: See posts #168345, #168474, and #168493.

 And of course the study in question only lists the studies
 they specifically refer to! This is part of what is known
 as the APA style, common in almost all research for 
 publication.

More disingenuity. The *problem* is that they did not
refer to those later studies *because they did not
look at them*.

 Really since as early as the 1980's it was known and shown--and
 replicated sometimes as many as 3 times--that TM claims were and
 still are fallacious.

It was not known and shown in the 1980s that TM claims
post-1980s are fallacious, obviously.

Again, the Buddhist researchers *did not look at any
of the TM research* post-1986 in the areas they
were discussing.

 Really after that was proven and replicated repeatedly, there 
 wasn't much reason to emphasize the newer bogus research

Obviously, you can't tell whether research is
bogus until you've examined it. The Buddhist
researchers did not examine post-1986 TM research.

 but there is absolutely no indication whatsoever that these
 leading researchers are missing anything at all worth
 mentioning.

What an extraordinarily empty assertion.

Again, see my posts #168345, #168474, and #168493.

 Fortunately the Alberta study does show for 
 us the continuing poor quality as it does show that TM 
 research still is pretty much still just bad marketing
 research.

Unfortunately, Vaj fails to mention that the Alberta
study found that *all* research on the 11 different
practices studied (including Vipassana, Mindfulness,
Zen, and TM) was of what it deemed to be poor quality.

The point of that study was to point out that
meditation research *as a whole* needs to be refined
and improved. Here's the conclusion:

The field of research on meditation practices and their
therapeutic applications is beset with uncertainty. The
therapeutic effects of meditation practices cannot be
established based on the current literature. Further
research needs to be directed toward the ways in which
meditation may be defined, with specific attention paid
to the kinds of definitions that are created. A clear
conceptual definition of meditation is required and
operational definitions should be developed. The lack of
high-quality evidence highlights the need for greater care
in choosing and describing the interventions, controls,
populations, and outcomes under study so that research
results may be compared and the effects of meditation
practices estimated with greater reliability and 
validity. Firm conclusions on the effects of meditation
practices in healthcare cannot be drawn based on the
available evidence. It is imperative that future studies
on meditation practices be rigorous in the design,
execution, analysis, and reporting of the results.

[FairfieldLife] where are vedic city pundits?

[boo_lives]

Raja Wynne recently said how happy he was to be back in vedic city
with the 621 pundits.  I recently drove through the pundit camp there
and didn't see any pundits at all outside.  It's possible they were
all inside but it was a nice sunny afternoon so I doubt it.  The whole
compound, which looks like a concentration camp, seemed deserted actually.

Maybe someone else from ffld could drive out there and see what they
can find???  Did they move the pundits out of the vedic city trailers
which FEMA has now admitted are too toxic to live in and are buying back?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beautiful, sweet, innocent -- but a creepy zombie nonetheless.

[Duveyoung]

Stu,

I keep thinking you don't like me, and because I'm a quality mind of
another addict, because I love your posts, this totally sucks.  Help!

First to the issue in this thread:

When you define iron age as an era when folks were ignorant and when
they often used a word like soul as some sort of uggabugga
abracadabra magic word, I'm over here getting the same message from
you that I got from Steven Pinker and Douglas Hofstadter: anyone who
believes in soul is illogical and/or ignorant of facts that,
what?, science? has uncovered about the human mind and physiology. 
I'm assuming you've read Godel, Escher, Bach, but maybe you've not
read Pinker's stuff, but you seem to be firmly in their camps.

I'm betting you agree with my take on you above.

Yet, clearly seen in your writing skills in your posts here, you are
most excellently capable of understanding the poetic use of words and
symbols, but you have taken umbrage -- more than once -- with my,
what? haphazard? loose? unexamined? right to use such poetic
expansions of words to better impact a reader -- that, or I'm paranoid
to a degree that I should seek professional help -- a very real
possibility.

If I ask you if a dog has consciousness, you'll say, Yes, but if I
ask if a dog has soul, it seems you would say, No.  Yet, meeting
even a single dog will give anyone a distinct feeling that inside the
dog is a mind, an individual, a personality, a history, a concluding
entity, a set of intents, DNA driven emotions, a learner, a seeker of
sex, food, sleep, water, territory, progeny, and companionship, a mind
that is capable of loyalty, love, concern, happiness, fulfillment,
playfulness, excitement, temporal planning, logic, anger, fear,
suspicion, and on and on.

Wouldn't it be easier for communication's sake to simply say the dog
has a soul?

Going from a virus to a bacterium to a multicellular organism and
onwards to the heights of complexity, I cannot say where the use of
the word soul starts to be handy, but it's well below dogville for
me.  I've seen films of amoebas moving with arrogance and panache I
tells ya!

My Advaita training has me instinctively seeing the effervescence of
form.  Ultimately, the soul is logically considered an illusion, but
if this illusion is not entirely pierced by the nanosecond, it becomes
practical to work with it as if it is real.

Any physicist can tell you that any thing is merely waves in space
-- talk about your uggabugga -- and yet they are obsessed with
examining where the boundaries of definitions are -- where particle
becomes wave, where time meets space, where Schrodinger's Cat lives,
where priests and scientists have a cup of coffee and jaw with each other.

But, it seems that you are not so concerned about the delicacies
above, but are, instead, well, angry at me? It's an intuitive red flag
that keeps coming up over here in my nervous system.  

My best bet is that when I get on my high horse and roast the War
Monger or Atheists or Sexual Predators over the coals of my disdain,
that I simply went too far into rage, or that I exceeded Stu's
personal limit on how much a writer is allowed to scourge fellow
posters, or that I was too graphic, too visceral, too ucky, too
crass, too low-vibed for polite company?  

You tell me, but I keep getting that I've offended your standards of
decency.  Which is strange, because, with the world's condition being
what it is, you'd think that the truly dark indecencies that so abound
in the headlines would capture your attention before you'd focus on my
wrongful abuse of my poetic license.  

I have not a jot of intent to coddle a person who espouses state
sponsored murder, or a guy who bar hops hoping to get lucky with far
less mature personalities, or someone who knee-jerkingly hates
religion like some folks hate non-white races.  I get rough on them,
cuz the world seems to be so inured to these dynamics of modern life
that they are not challenged, and well, there they are in my face, so
smack 'em sez moi.  

It's my job?  

I saw this cartoon where a wife is nagging her husband to come to bed
cuz it's late, but he says, I can't right now, someone is wrong on
the Internet!  I resonated with the guy way too much -- Judy and
Turq, Vaj and TM research, Off vs All, etc. seem to have the same
obsession/compulsion, and you too seem to be locking into just gotta
fight about it about certain concepts.  This I understand, but, I'm
asking you straight out to set me straight: Have I become a symbol for
you like the War Monger has become for me?  Stu, am I getting my karma
back for reducing complex human beings into mere cartoon-icons?  

Just wondering!

Edg
PS  I do agree that giving a story amps up the illusion of
sentiencethanks for that insight about continuity being the meat
and potatoes of an ego's defense of its reality.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I do this for a living.  I make inanimate objects have emotions and
 appear as if they 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[Angela Mailander]

Can you cite studies that these folks have missed that
do show methodologies and results they would accept
for any meditation practice?


--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend
 jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
 vajradhatu@ wrote:
   snip
Another nice review of meditation research can
 be found in
The Cambridge Handbook of Consciousness, a
 textbook for 
neuroscientists from Cambridge University.
 It's section on 
meditation and neurosceince objectively
 reviews some of the 
exaggerated claims by TM cult researchers,
 esp. the specious
claim of coherence during TM. It turns out
 what they've
been touting for years now is statistically
 insignificant
and often seen in normal waking state!
   
   As Vaj knows but doesn't tell you, there are
 several
   *very* serious problems with the treatment of TM
 research
   in this study, including that the authors didn't
 bother
   to look at the most recent *20 years* of
 research on TM.
  
  And of course, this is incorrect. There was TM
 research as
  recent as the year of publication.
 
 We've already covered this, as you know. Your
 assertion
 is disingenuous.
 
 Again: See posts #168345, #168474, and #168493.
 
  And of course the study in question only lists the
 studies
  they specifically refer to! This is part of what
 is known
  as the APA style, common in almost all research
 for 
  publication.
 
 More disingenuity. The *problem* is that they did
 not
 refer to those later studies *because they did not
 look at them*.
 
  Really since as early as the 1980's it was known
 and shown--and
  replicated sometimes as many as 3 times--that TM
 claims were and
  still are fallacious.
 
 It was not known and shown in the 1980s that TM
 claims
 post-1980s are fallacious, obviously.
 
 Again, the Buddhist researchers *did not look at any
 of the TM research* post-1986 in the areas they
 were discussing.
 
  Really after that was proven and replicated
 repeatedly, there 
  wasn't much reason to emphasize the newer bogus
 research
 
 Obviously, you can't tell whether research is
 bogus until you've examined it. The Buddhist
 researchers did not examine post-1986 TM research.
 
  but there is absolutely no indication whatsoever
 that these
  leading researchers are missing anything at all
 worth
  mentioning.
 
 What an extraordinarily empty assertion.
 
 Again, see my posts #168345, #168474, and #168493.
 
  Fortunately the Alberta study does show for 
  us the continuing poor quality as it does show
 that TM 
  research still is pretty much still just bad
 marketing
  research.
 
 Unfortunately, Vaj fails to mention that the Alberta
 study found that *all* research on the 11 different
 practices studied (including Vipassana, Mindfulness,
 Zen, and TM) was of what it deemed to be poor
 quality.
 
 The point of that study was to point out that
 meditation research *as a whole* needs to be refined
 and improved. Here's the conclusion:
 
 The field of research on meditation practices and
 their
 therapeutic applications is beset with uncertainty.
 The
 therapeutic effects of meditation practices cannot
 be
 established based on the current literature. Further
 research needs to be directed toward the ways in
 which
 meditation may be defined, with specific attention
 paid
 to the kinds of definitions that are created. A
 clear
 conceptual definition of meditation is required and
 operational definitions should be developed. The
 lack of
 high-quality evidence highlights the need for
 greater care
 in choosing and describing the interventions,
 controls,
 populations, and outcomes under study so that
 research
 results may be compared and the effects of
 meditation
 practices estimated with greater reliability and 
 validity. Firm conclusions on the effects of
 meditation
 practices in healthcare cannot be drawn based on the
 available evidence. It is imperative that future
 studies
 on meditation practices be rigorous in the design,
 execution, analysis, and reporting of the results.
 
 
 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beautiful, sweet, innocent -- but a creepy zombie nonetheless.

[Angela Mailander]

Dearest Edg,
I know your letter was addressed to Stu, and you know
I don't dislike you, but I thought I'd respond anyway.

I totally sympathize with your rants about the cruelty
of man to man.  But when I see you advocating the
public torture of Mr. Bush, I recoil in the same
horror you profess to feel when you hear of the
torture of Iraqi children--of which we, as a people,
are guilty.

And yet, are we guilty?  In another sense, we are not.
 Even Bush may not be guilty in a sense.  I have
studied in great depth and detail the story of how
Hitler was created in the ashram of Thule Society. 
Yes, they did look for a certain kind of talent or
predisposition among the membership of professed
seekers.  But my reading of psychology tells me that
just about any human being can be made to push a
button in a laboratory that will cause another human
being great pain.  

And the German people, how did they allow the things
that did happen to go on?  That was harder to learn
than how a man like Hitler could be created.  And I
did not learn the final lessons about that until I saw
America walk down that same road.  I watched this
happen since the late fifties because our current
political scene was predicted by European commentators
as far back as that.  I did not believe them, but the
JFK assassination was a wake-up call.  By the late
sixties, I noticed that while Russia took Communism
everywhere she went, America did not take democracy
everywhere she went, and, instead, installed evil
fascist dictators all over the place.  

The American people did not object and continued to
vote their pocketbooks in blissful ignorance.  I saw
over my life-time exactly how easy a task social
engineering really is and how even the so-called
intellectuals are easily guided to think what
higher-ups want them to think.  So I cannot blame
the American people anymore than I can really blame
the German people.  By the time enough people know
what's really going on, it is too late to mount large
scale protests.  By that time the laws are in place
that will allow mass crack-downs and torture.

Think about how a mindless phrase like conspiracy
theory keeps people from actually looking carefully
at evidence.  And that's just one of the many things
that happen to create a sheeple.  It begins in
kindergarten with learning the pledge of allegiance. 
a



--- Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Stu,
 
 I keep thinking you don't like me, and because I'm a
 quality mind of
 another addict, because I love your posts, this
 totally sucks.  Help!
 
 First to the issue in this thread:
 
 When you define iron age as an era when folks were
 ignorant and when
 they often used a word like soul as some sort of
 uggabugga
 abracadabra magic word, I'm over here getting the
 same message from
 you that I got from Steven Pinker and Douglas
 Hofstadter: anyone who
 believes in soul is illogical and/or ignorant of
 facts that,
 what?, science? has uncovered about the human mind
 and physiology. 
 I'm assuming you've read Godel, Escher, Bach, but
 maybe you've not
 read Pinker's stuff, but you seem to be firmly in
 their camps.
 
 I'm betting you agree with my take on you above.
 
 Yet, clearly seen in your writing skills in your
 posts here, you are
 most excellently capable of understanding the poetic
 use of words and
 symbols, but you have taken umbrage -- more than
 once -- with my,
 what? haphazard? loose? unexamined? right to use
 such poetic
 expansions of words to better impact a reader --
 that, or I'm paranoid
 to a degree that I should seek professional help --
 a very real
 possibility.
 
 If I ask you if a dog has consciousness, you'll say,
 Yes, but if I
 ask if a dog has soul, it seems you would say, No.
  Yet, meeting
 even a single dog will give anyone a distinct
 feeling that inside the
 dog is a mind, an individual, a personality, a
 history, a concluding
 entity, a set of intents, DNA driven emotions, a
 learner, a seeker of
 sex, food, sleep, water, territory, progeny, and
 companionship, a mind
 that is capable of loyalty, love, concern,
 happiness, fulfillment,
 playfulness, excitement, temporal planning, logic,
 anger, fear,
 suspicion, and on and on.
 
 Wouldn't it be easier for communication's sake to
 simply say the dog
 has a soul?
 
 Going from a virus to a bacterium to a multicellular
 organism and
 onwards to the heights of complexity, I cannot say
 where the use of
 the word soul starts to be handy, but it's well
 below dogville for
 me.  I've seen films of amoebas moving with
 arrogance and panache I
 tells ya!
 
 My Advaita training has me instinctively seeing
 the effervescence of
 form.  Ultimately, the soul is logically considered
 an illusion, but
 if this illusion is not entirely pierced by the
 nanosecond, it becomes
 practical to work with it as if it is real.
 
 Any physicist can tell you that any thing is
 merely waves in space
 -- talk about your uggabugga -- and yet they are
 obsessed with
 examining where the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[claudiouk]

How about:
Transcendental Meditation Effective In Reducing High Blood Pressure, 
Study Shows

ScienceDaily (Dec. 5, 2007) — People with high blood pressure may 
find relief from transcendental meditation, according to a definitive 
new meta-analysis of 107 published studies on stress reduction 
programs and high blood pressure, which will be published in the 
December issue of Current Hypertension Reports. 

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071204121953.htm


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can you cite studies that these folks have missed that
 do show methodologies and results they would accept
 for any meditation practice?
 
 
 --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
  vajradhatu@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend
  jstein@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
  vajradhatu@ wrote:
snip
 Another nice review of meditation research can
  be found in
 The Cambridge Handbook of Consciousness, a
  textbook for 
 neuroscientists from Cambridge University.
  It's section on 
 meditation and neurosceince objectively
  reviews some of the 
 exaggerated claims by TM cult researchers,
  esp. the specious
 claim of coherence during TM. It turns out
  what they've
 been touting for years now is statistically
  insignificant
 and often seen in normal waking state!

As Vaj knows but doesn't tell you, there are
  several
*very* serious problems with the treatment of TM
  research
in this study, including that the authors didn't
  bother
to look at the most recent *20 years* of
  research on TM.
   
   And of course, this is incorrect. There was TM
  research as
   recent as the year of publication.
  
  We've already covered this, as you know. Your
  assertion
  is disingenuous.
  
  Again: See posts #168345, #168474, and #168493.
  
   And of course the study in question only lists the
  studies
   they specifically refer to! This is part of what
  is known
   as the APA style, common in almost all research
  for 
   publication.
  
  More disingenuity. The *problem* is that they did
  not
  refer to those later studies *because they did not
  look at them*.
  
   Really since as early as the 1980's it was known
  and shown--and
   replicated sometimes as many as 3 times--that TM
  claims were and
   still are fallacious.
  
  It was not known and shown in the 1980s that TM
  claims
  post-1980s are fallacious, obviously.
  
  Again, the Buddhist researchers *did not look at any
  of the TM research* post-1986 in the areas they
  were discussing.
  
   Really after that was proven and replicated
  repeatedly, there 
   wasn't much reason to emphasize the newer bogus
  research
  
  Obviously, you can't tell whether research is
  bogus until you've examined it. The Buddhist
  researchers did not examine post-1986 TM research.
  
   but there is absolutely no indication whatsoever
  that these
   leading researchers are missing anything at all
  worth
   mentioning.
  
  What an extraordinarily empty assertion.
  
  Again, see my posts #168345, #168474, and #168493.
  
   Fortunately the Alberta study does show for 
   us the continuing poor quality as it does show
  that TM 
   research still is pretty much still just bad
  marketing
   research.
  
  Unfortunately, Vaj fails to mention that the Alberta
  study found that *all* research on the 11 different
  practices studied (including Vipassana, Mindfulness,
  Zen, and TM) was of what it deemed to be poor
  quality.
  
  The point of that study was to point out that
  meditation research *as a whole* needs to be refined
  and improved. Here's the conclusion:
  
  The field of research on meditation practices and
  their
  therapeutic applications is beset with uncertainty.
  The
  therapeutic effects of meditation practices cannot
  be
  established based on the current literature. Further
  research needs to be directed toward the ways in
  which
  meditation may be defined, with specific attention
  paid
  to the kinds of definitions that are created. A
  clear
  conceptual definition of meditation is required and
  operational definitions should be developed. The
  lack of
  high-quality evidence highlights the need for
  greater care
  in choosing and describing the interventions,
  controls,
  populations, and outcomes under study so that
  research
  results may be compared and the effects of
  meditation
  practices estimated with greater reliability and 
  validity. Firm conclusions on the effects of
  meditation
  practices in healthcare cannot be drawn based on the
  available evidence. It is imperative that future
  studies
  on meditation practices be rigorous in the design,
  execution, analysis, and reporting of the results.
  
  
  
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[dhamiltony2k5]

Great summary links.  Thanks.

With all those descriptive parts directly written about other 
techniques in these papers, anyone in the dome probably ought to have 
their badges revoked immediately for just reading these papers.  

Worst than confusing, this material is outright corrupting to the 
security of the teaching.  ..have you ever visited any research of 
other spiritual technologies?  

-Doug in FF

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Apr 1, 2008, at 10:05 AM, claudiouk wrote:
 
  Yes I think the cortex thikening is interesting. I must say I had
  assumed that the evidence of health benefits of TM was well
  established. But I came across this 2007 independent review 
which
  doesn't appear to rate any of the meditation research.. (same one
  cited on the programme?):
  

http://www.ahrq.gov/downloads/pub/evidence/pdf/meditation/medit.pdf


  Surely this is just too negative?
 
 
 Nope, it's actually an excellent review of the science used in  
 meditation research and just how scientific it is.
 
 But really, much of what's touted by TM researchers was disproved 
way  
 back in the 80's. In some cases the TM researchers didn't even 
bother  
 to respond when independent researchers pointed out the errors in  
 their research! If anything, TMO-based meditation research is a 
good  
 example of how NOT to do meditation research!
 
 Another nice review of meditation research can be found in The  
 Cambridge Handbook of Consciousness, a textbook for 
neuroscientists  
 from Cambridge University. It's section on meditation and  
 neurosceince objectively reviews some of the exaggerated claims by 
TM  
 cult researchers, esp. the specious claim of coherence during 
TM.  
 It turns out what they've been touting for years now is 
statistically  
 insignificant and often seen in normal waking state!
 


 This paper can be found at:
 
 http://www.box.net/shared/kcnprcg5fq

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Guru Dev Photo

[nsm108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Rick, I can't access this photo.  Have you posted it in the photo 
section?


 http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/e93e?b=20
 
 
 Dear Friends,
 
 Jai Guru Dev. A Purusha from our Ashram was recently in Mussourie
 having some dental work done. He took a jpeg of Guru Dev and 
Maharishi
 in to a photo shop there for development there and when he returned 
to
 pick it up the shop owner asked him if his picture was of the
 Shankaracharya? My friend answered more preciously, He was
 Shankaracharya previously. The man then reached off the shelf 
behind
 him a photo of Guru Dev that his father had taken in Mussourie and 
had
 hand colored, which I don't believe anyone has seen before. You may
 recall seeing one of the photos of Guru Dev we have see for years of
 Guru Dev on an elephant in Mussourie, near the library, with 
Maharishi
 below just before the crowd. This was taken probably around that 
same
 time, although Guru Dev evidently went to Mussourie several times 
during
 his tours of Northern India as Shankaracharya. Any way I thought 
you'd
 appreciate seeing it. There are probably more such treasures out 
there
 to emerge as time passes and coherence rises.
 
 Wishing you all the best and highest from these holy mountains.
 
 Tim
 
  
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Neuroscience of Meditation Objectively Reviewed

[dhamiltony2k5]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 if you plan to post links the FFL way, you have
 to do it the FFL way, which means link only, no
 conversation, no description beyond what's in the
 subject line, like so:

http://www.box.net/shared/kcnprcg5fq

[FairfieldLife] Meditation Health Research, 2007 Independent Science Review

[dhamiltony2k5]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 if you plan to post links the FFL way, you have
 to do it the FFL way, which means link only, no
 conversation, no description beyond what's in the
 subject line, like so:

http://www.ahrq.gov/downloads/pub/evidence/pdf/meditation/medit.pdf

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Guru Dev Photo

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of nsm108
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:04 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Guru Dev Photo

 

--- In HYPERLINK
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick
Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Rick, I can't access this photo. Have you posted it in the photo 
section?

 HYPERLINK
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/e93e?b=20http:/
/ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/e93e?b=20
 
yes. if that link doesn’t work, although it does for me, it’s #20 in the
Gurus/Guru Dev section.

 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can you cite studies that these folks have missed that
 do show methodologies and results they would accept
 for any meditation practice?

It would be up to them to accept them or not,
obviously.




 
 
 --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
  vajradhatu@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend
  jstein@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
  vajradhatu@ wrote:
snip
 Another nice review of meditation research can
  be found in
 The Cambridge Handbook of Consciousness, a
  textbook for 
 neuroscientists from Cambridge University.
  It's section on 
 meditation and neurosceince objectively
  reviews some of the 
 exaggerated claims by TM cult researchers,
  esp. the specious
 claim of coherence during TM. It turns out
  what they've
 been touting for years now is statistically
  insignificant
 and often seen in normal waking state!

As Vaj knows but doesn't tell you, there are
  several
*very* serious problems with the treatment of TM
  research
in this study, including that the authors didn't
  bother
to look at the most recent *20 years* of
  research on TM.
   
   And of course, this is incorrect. There was TM
  research as
   recent as the year of publication.
  
  We've already covered this, as you know. Your
  assertion
  is disingenuous.
  
  Again: See posts #168345, #168474, and #168493.
  
   And of course the study in question only lists the
  studies
   they specifically refer to! This is part of what
  is known
   as the APA style, common in almost all research
  for 
   publication.
  
  More disingenuity. The *problem* is that they did
  not
  refer to those later studies *because they did not
  look at them*.
  
   Really since as early as the 1980's it was known
  and shown--and
   replicated sometimes as many as 3 times--that TM
  claims were and
   still are fallacious.
  
  It was not known and shown in the 1980s that TM
  claims
  post-1980s are fallacious, obviously.
  
  Again, the Buddhist researchers *did not look at any
  of the TM research* post-1986 in the areas they
  were discussing.
  
   Really after that was proven and replicated
  repeatedly, there 
   wasn't much reason to emphasize the newer bogus
  research
  
  Obviously, you can't tell whether research is
  bogus until you've examined it. The Buddhist
  researchers did not examine post-1986 TM research.
  
   but there is absolutely no indication whatsoever
  that these
   leading researchers are missing anything at all
  worth
   mentioning.
  
  What an extraordinarily empty assertion.
  
  Again, see my posts #168345, #168474, and #168493.
  
   Fortunately the Alberta study does show for 
   us the continuing poor quality as it does show
  that TM 
   research still is pretty much still just bad
  marketing
   research.
  
  Unfortunately, Vaj fails to mention that the Alberta
  study found that *all* research on the 11 different
  practices studied (including Vipassana, Mindfulness,
  Zen, and TM) was of what it deemed to be poor
  quality.
  
  The point of that study was to point out that
  meditation research *as a whole* needs to be refined
  and improved. Here's the conclusion:
  
  The field of research on meditation practices and
  their
  therapeutic applications is beset with uncertainty.
  The
  therapeutic effects of meditation practices cannot
  be
  established based on the current literature. Further
  research needs to be directed toward the ways in
  which
  meditation may be defined, with specific attention
  paid
  to the kinds of definitions that are created. A
  clear
  conceptual definition of meditation is required and
  operational definitions should be developed. The
  lack of
  high-quality evidence highlights the need for
  greater care
  in choosing and describing the interventions,
  controls,
  populations, and outcomes under study so that
  research
  results may be compared and the effects of
  meditation
  practices estimated with greater reliability and 
  validity. Firm conclusions on the effects of
  meditation
  practices in healthcare cannot be drawn based on the
  available evidence. It is imperative that future
  studies
  on meditation practices be rigorous in the design,
  execution, analysis, and reporting of the results.
  
  
  
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
 mailander111@ wrote:
 
  Can you cite studies that these folks have missed that
  do show methodologies and results they would accept
  for any meditation practice?
 
 It would be up to them to accept them or not,
 obviously.

P.S.: They didn't miss the two decades of later TM
studies. They just made a decision to look only at
the earlier ones.

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Guru Dev Photo

[matrixmonitor]

---at http://www.tinyurl.com/2avb72


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nsm108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
 Rick, I can't access this photo.  Have you posted it in the photo 
 section?
 
 
  http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/e93e?
b=20
  
  
  Dear Friends,
  
  Jai Guru Dev. A Purusha from our Ashram was recently in Mussourie
  having some dental work done. He took a jpeg of Guru Dev and 
 Maharishi
  in to a photo shop there for development there and when he 
returned 
 to
  pick it up the shop owner asked him if his picture was of the
  Shankaracharya? My friend answered more preciously, He was
  Shankaracharya previously. The man then reached off the shelf 
 behind
  him a photo of Guru Dev that his father had taken in Mussourie 
and 
 had
  hand colored, which I don't believe anyone has seen before. You 
may
  recall seeing one of the photos of Guru Dev we have see for years 
of
  Guru Dev on an elephant in Mussourie, near the library, with 
 Maharishi
  below just before the crowd. This was taken probably around that 
 same
  time, although Guru Dev evidently went to Mussourie several times 
 during
  his tours of Northern India as Shankaracharya. Any way I thought 
 you'd
  appreciate seeing it. There are probably more such treasures out 
 there
  to emerge as time passes and coherence rises.
  
  Wishing you all the best and highest from these holy mountains.
  
  Tim
  
   
  
  
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Dr. Feldman, Kuberaji, is the Minister of Finance and Planning of the
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Central Bank of the Global Country of World Peace and founding trustee
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150 different locations in India.

Drs. Feldman and Shrivastava, global leaders of Maharishi's world-wide
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Beautiful, sweet, innocent -- but a creepy zombie nonetheless.

[Duveyoung]

Angela,

Thanks for the wisdom.  I felt it.

I suppose we should all talk about what is allowed when it comes to
poetic flourishes.

When I wrote up the concept of Bush being tortured, please
understand that I fully knew that I was, well, being Bushy myself if I
really meant the words, and further, that I knew I didn't have the
omniscience to know how Bush should be punished -- or rewarded -- for
his actions, and also that I well understand how words can fly at
ground level under folks' radars and suddenly there they are with 
yucky stuff in their minds that are then subject to an unwanted
cascade of untoward emotions, imagery, and concepts.

I'm a writer -- writers know that Robert Frost said that one was only
allowed the use of the word love three times when one takes up the
job of writer, and so, I say, Well, I got to be creative in how I
express a concept that's been bandied in 30 posts already.  It costs
me a lot of time to come up with something that's all mine, and,
sorry, but it's fun for me to see if I can actually come up with yet
another way to express disgust for war, predation and racism.

If I'm kidding myself when I think I'm being merely ordinarily
enraged just as any decent person would be, then tell me so -- if
anyone here can, you can.  But right now, I only have to have in my
mind one image of carnage to know that I have never written any words
that cause even as much discomfort as a paper cut.  Yet when the
carnage is DAILY there in the headlines, and we're just, you know,
counting angels on pinheads, it grinds me hard that no voice here
decries the war mongering even if it's by a person who in all
likelihood is kookoonuts.

I sometimes think I'm the only sighted person here.  Don't images --
whether seen in words or photos, doesn't matter -- get entered into by
you folks out there?

I know the hearts here enough to say that even the War Monger would
screech his car to a halt if he saw a toddler walking along a highway
without an adult nearby, but when that same person can espouse
genocide with a bigass smirk, I cannot see how this happens.  I
understand racism and cruelty, but to have a mind so able to
compartmentalize and disconnect carnage-on-babies seems sociopathic at
the least.  

When I see so little resonance here with my excoriation of abusive
immoralists, I feel like, hey, someone's gotta say sumptin' and if it
ain't me, who's it gunna be?

If the War Monger or the Young Woman Predator or the Atheists who toss
out spirituality with religion's bathwater, would just stop regularly
glorifying in their malignancies, I wouldn't be posting my vitriol.

I am not harping here about TONS of issues that should be harped about
-- merely because there's no one posting here who's stupid or immoral
or evil enough to support those issues. If there was a pedophile
posting here, why, I wouldn't have to write a single word cuz there'd
be such a flurry of attacks upon the creep.

As Christ said, The poor you will always have.  So, yeah, let's make
merry and ignore that tomorrow another 50 Arabs will not be able to
ever make merry again.  As Clint Eastwood said, When you kill a man,
you not only take everything he owns, but all the things he could ever
own.

Sorry, but mood making myself into a positive emotion, seems sick in
the face of the daily news.  

To me, every toddler in the Middle East is my own child standing on a
major highway in the dark, in the rain, in abject terror.  Even if I
know the next car behind me is going to stop, I cannot help myself
from stopping first.  

I'm trying to help stop the tolling of the world's bells, for thee, ya
know?

Well, okay, it's for me, but thee gets the benefit too, eh?

Edg



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dearest Edg,
 I know your letter was addressed to Stu, and you know
 I don't dislike you, but I thought I'd respond anyway.
 
 I totally sympathize with your rants about the cruelty
 of man to man.  But when I see you advocating the
 public torture of Mr. Bush, I recoil in the same
 horror you profess to feel when you hear of the
 torture of Iraqi children--of which we, as a people,
 are guilty.
 
 And yet, are we guilty?  In another sense, we are not.
  Even Bush may not be guilty in a sense.  I have
 studied in great depth and detail the story of how
 Hitler was created in the ashram of Thule Society. 
 Yes, they did look for a certain kind of talent or
 predisposition among the membership of professed
 seekers.  But my reading of psychology tells me that
 just about any human being can be made to push a
 button in a laboratory that will cause another human
 being great pain.  
 
 And the German people, how did they allow the things
 that did happen to go on?  That was harder to learn
 than how a man like Hitler could be created.  And I
 did not learn the final lessons about that until I saw
 America walk down that same road.  I watched this
 happen since the late fifties because our current

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[Angela Mailander]

Presumably you've read the thing and know what their
criteria were for rejecting the ones they did reject. 
They've got a whole list and they state their reasons
briefly.  Criteria also emerge from their own
procedures.  If you're knowledgeable about these
things, why not just cite the studies?



--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
 Mailander 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Can you cite studies that these folks have missed
 that
  do show methodologies and results they would
 accept
  for any meditation practice?
 
 It would be up to them to accept them or not,
 obviously.
 
 
 
 
  
  
  --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
   vajradhatu@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 authfriend
   jstein@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
   vajradhatu@ wrote:
 snip
  Another nice review of meditation research
 can
   be found in
  The Cambridge Handbook of Consciousness, a
   textbook for 
  neuroscientists from Cambridge University.
   It's section on 
  meditation and neurosceince objectively
   reviews some of the 
  exaggerated claims by TM cult researchers,
   esp. the specious
  claim of coherence during TM. It turns
 out
   what they've
  been touting for years now is
 statistically
   insignificant
  and often seen in normal waking state!
 
 As Vaj knows but doesn't tell you, there are
   several
 *very* serious problems with the treatment
 of TM
   research
 in this study, including that the authors
 didn't
   bother
 to look at the most recent *20 years* of
   research on TM.

And of course, this is incorrect. There was TM
   research as
recent as the year of publication.
   
   We've already covered this, as you know. Your
   assertion
   is disingenuous.
   
   Again: See posts #168345, #168474, and #168493.
   
And of course the study in question only lists
 the
   studies
they specifically refer to! This is part of
 what
   is known
as the APA style, common in almost all
 research
   for 
publication.
   
   More disingenuity. The *problem* is that they
 did
   not
   refer to those later studies *because they did
 not
   look at them*.
   
Really since as early as the 1980's it was
 known
   and shown--and
replicated sometimes as many as 3 times--that
 TM
   claims were and
still are fallacious.
   
   It was not known and shown in the 1980s that
 TM
   claims
   post-1980s are fallacious, obviously.
   
   Again, the Buddhist researchers *did not look at
 any
   of the TM research* post-1986 in the areas they
   were discussing.
   
Really after that was proven and replicated
   repeatedly, there 
wasn't much reason to emphasize the newer
 bogus
   research
   
   Obviously, you can't tell whether research is
   bogus until you've examined it. The Buddhist
   researchers did not examine post-1986 TM
 research.
   
but there is absolutely no indication
 whatsoever
   that these
leading researchers are missing anything at
 all
   worth
mentioning.
   
   What an extraordinarily empty assertion.
   
   Again, see my posts #168345, #168474, and
 #168493.
   
Fortunately the Alberta study does show for 
us the continuing poor quality as it does show
   that TM 
research still is pretty much still just bad
   marketing
research.
   
   Unfortunately, Vaj fails to mention that the
 Alberta
   study found that *all* research on the 11
 different
   practices studied (including Vipassana,
 Mindfulness,
   Zen, and TM) was of what it deemed to be poor
   quality.
   
   The point of that study was to point out that
   meditation research *as a whole* needs to be
 refined
   and improved. Here's the conclusion:
   
   The field of research on meditation practices
 and
   their
   therapeutic applications is beset with
 uncertainty.
   The
   therapeutic effects of meditation practices
 cannot
   be
   established based on the current literature.
 Further
   research needs to be directed toward the ways in
   which
   meditation may be defined, with specific
 attention
   paid
   to the kinds of definitions that are created. A
   clear
   conceptual definition of meditation is required
 and
   operational definitions should be developed. The
   lack of
   high-quality evidence highlights the need for
   greater care
   in choosing and describing the interventions,
   controls,
   populations, and outcomes under study so that
   research
   results may be compared and the effects of
   meditation
   practices estimated with greater reliability and
 
   validity. Firm conclusions on the effects of
   meditation
   practices in healthcare cannot be drawn based on
 the
   available evidence. It is imperative that future
   studies
   on meditation practices be rigorous in the
 design,
   execution, analysis, and reporting of the
 results.
   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beautiful, sweet, innocent -- but a creepy zombie nonetheless.

[Stu]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Stu,

 I keep thinking you don't like me, and because I'm a quality mind of
 another addict, because I love your posts, this totally sucks.  Help!

I found your post thought provoking and my post reflected those provoked
thoughts.

I very much enjoy reading your posts. I like stimulating some discussion
on these issues.  Its not like we are from different irreconcilable
worlds, we have much in common and any disagreements are discussions of
fine points and definition of terms.

 First to the issue in this thread:

 When you define iron age as an era when folks were ignorant and when
 they often used a word like soul as some sort of uggabugga
 abracadabra magic word, I'm over here getting the same message from
 you that I got from Steven Pinker and Douglas Hofstadter: anyone who
 believes in soul is illogical and/or ignorant of facts that,
 what?, science? has uncovered about the human mind and physiology.
 I'm assuming you've read Godel, Escher, Bach, but maybe you've not
 read Pinker's stuff, but you seem to be firmly in their camps.

 I'm betting you agree with my take on you above.

No, thats not the problem.  To me the term soul has no meaning because
it has so many meanings.  I had a talk with a Mormon who defined soul as
I would define personality.  He thought the soul lived on in heaven as
an intact personality.  If we were Mormons, you and I could by finish up
this discussion after we died.

On the other end of the spectrum is the Plotinus version of soul which
is something like Jung's collective consciousness.  Has nothing to do
with our personal nature.

The biblical description of soul includes a body, the Greek description
comes from the word Psyche.  And what a contrast to Atman and other
eastern concepts.

So when you use the word soul it raises a flag.  I am not clear on the
meaning.  For example, creepy CGI girl doesn't have a soul  is
meaningless to me.  As far as I can tell I don't have a soul either. 
But I do experience consciousness, a mental life, personality,
connection to common memes, and so on.

The very usage of soul is skewed.  The very idea that anyone HAS a soul
is obscene.  What kind of possession is a soul?

snip-complements on my writing skills.  Thank you very much - you are a
pretty good writer yourself.

 If I ask you if a dog has consciousness, you'll say, Yes, but if I
 ask if a dog has soul, it seems you would say, No.  Yet, meeting
 even a single dog will give anyone a distinct feeling that inside the
 dog is a mind, an individual, a personality, a history, a concluding
 entity, a set of intents, DNA driven emotions, a learner, a seeker of
 sex, food, sleep, water, territory, progeny, and companionship, a mind
 that is capable of loyalty, love, concern, happiness, fulfillment,
 playfulness, excitement, temporal planning, logic, anger, fear,
 suspicion, and on and on.

 Wouldn't it be easier for communication's sake to simply say the dog
 has a soul?

No, a statement like that is meaningless without the previous paragraph.
To me, it suggests that the dog is capable of salvation, a purification
of his psyche in some form.  However if by soul you mean a dog has a
personality I would agree.

snip

 Any physicist can tell you that any thing is merely waves in space
 -- talk about your uggabugga -- and yet they are obsessed with
 examining where the boundaries of definitions are -- where particle
 becomes wave, where time meets space, where Schrodinger's Cat lives,
 where priests and scientists have a cup of coffee and jaw with each
other.

I am completely with you here.  There is no physical universe only
energy in different forms.  With that premise everything is soul.  In a
world of energy were does soul end and the physical begin.

The non-dualist approach negates the concept of soul (unless by soul you
mean personality or a collective consciousness).


 But, it seems that you are not so concerned about the delicacies
 above, but are, instead, well, angry at me? It's an intuitive red flag
 that keeps coming up over here in my nervous system.

I liked your post.  If I was angry I would probably ignore it.  Nobody
needs to come to the internet to get angry - life is too short.

snip
Have I become a symbol for
 you like the War Monger has become for me?  Stu, am I getting my karma
 back for reducing complex human beings into mere cartoon-icons?

No, just challenging some concepts.  Not looking for a fight.

 Just wondering!

 Edg
 PS  I do agree that giving a story amps up the illusion of
 sentiencethanks for that insight about continuity being the meat
 and potatoes of an ego's defense of its reality.

That is exactly the point of my post.  What makes us human is not some
ethereal ill-defined notion called soul.  Our
individuality/character/self/personality comes out of story. Every
sentient being has a unique story.  The story shapes our mental life,
behavior, our existence.

I would leave 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Special Dome Event Tonight

[TurquoiseB]

Call me an old hippie cynic, but when I read this,
Frank Zappa's version of the Pomp And Circumstance
theme for a high school pageant leapt to mind as 
suitable background music as the heavenly-annointed 
as they entered the holy hall. For the equally bent, 
here it is: Peaches en regalia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnZrbFL9ImM


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 Everyone is invited to come to the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome of
 Pure Knowledge Tuesday evening at 8:15 to welcome and honor Dr. Benjamin
 Feldman and Dr. Prakash Shrivastava on their historic visit to Maharishi
 Vedic City and Maharishi University of Management. They will be
 introduced by Raja Wynne of Maharishi Vedic City.
 
 Dr. Feldman, Kuberaji, is the Minister of Finance and Planning of the
 Global Country of World Peace and a member of the Executive Committee of
 the Brahmanand Saraswati Trust. Dr. Shrivastava is Chairman of the
 Central Bank of the Global Country of World Peace and founding trustee
 of Maharishi Veda Vigyan Vidya Peetham Trust and has been responsible
 for the training of tens of thousands of Maharishi Vedic Pandits in over
 150 different locations in India.
 
 Drs. Feldman and Shrivastava, global leaders of Maharishi's world-wide
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[Vaj]

On Apr 1, 2008, at 1:02 PM, authfriend wrote:



And of course the study in question only lists the studies
they specifically refer to! This is part of what is known
as the APA style, common in almost all research for
publication.


More disingenuity. The *problem* is that they did not
refer to those later studies *because they did not
look at them*.



As in previous desperate attempts to somehow make a state of the art  
paper look bad, this one falls on all but other TB ears as BS Judy. In  
no decently written papers of this kind have I seen wanton referral to  
research that is not directly linked to something included in the  
paper. And, true to APA form, these writers refer to each and every  
point they are making by a parenthetical citation. All others--in  
other different meditation studies--need not be included as they are  
quite able to cover all their assertions with what they are currently  
using. It makes no sense whatsoever to include studies for the sake of  
writing their names as references. And of course such strawman  
thinking does also not support your rather odd claim that 'because TM  
studies are omitted, they haven't read them'. They had all the  
citations needed.


Of course if the actual purpose of the paper was to examine all TM  
studies, then they could be in error. But that is clearly not the case  
with this paper.

[FairfieldLife] 1969 BBC interview with MMY

[bob_brigante]

Maharishi Interview with Leslie Smith.
BBC Radio 4, UK. October 14, 1969. 

Part 1 - What Transcendental Meditation is. 

Maharishi: Transcendental Meditation is a process of experiencing 
consciously the subtle state of thinking and getting to the source of 
thinking, and the source of thinking is a reservoir of energy and 
intelligence. Thought flows, due to energy, and it takes a direction, 
due to intelligence. [...] When the mind goes deep within, the 
thinking process... 

Smith: ... as in sleep, you mean? 

Maharishi: Not in sleep. In sleep the mind is tired [...] and remains 
on the same level. Here, in Transcendental Meditation, the mind 
becomes sharper and sharper and it experiences the finer states of 
thought, and by the time it explores the source of thought, it gains 
bliss consciousness. 

Smith: What has the word 'transcendental' got to do with this? 

Maharishi: 'Transcendental' means: the mind [...] 'transcends' the 
experience of thought[...], gets through the [...] finest state of 
thought and thereby it is 'transcending' the field of thought. That's 
why we call it 'Transcendental Meditation'. 


Part 2 - How to practice Transcendental Meditation. 

Smith: Suppose [...] I say: please tell me how to meditate 
transcendentally. What advice would you give me? 

Maharishi: I'll suggest to you... one syllable. 

Smith: A syllable? What you mean? 

Maharishi: By syllable I mean some sound... 

Smith: ... like 'rose', for example, 'room'... ? 

Maharishi: No, some sound which will not have any meaning. Its value 
will be just the sound. 

Smith: Well, could you give me an example of such a sound? 

Maharishi: [...] When we say a rose, then the mind goes on the rose 
and the mind floats on the horizontal level [...]: thinking, 
contemplating something, is the horizontal activity of the mind... 

Smith: ... can you give me an example of such a syllable? 

Maharishi: Examples? We don't give [...] 

Smith: So you keep it a secret. 

Maharishi: It's a secret. Everyone is told to keep that sound, on 
which he experiences the subtle states [...], to keep it in himself. 


Part 3 - Why someone would want to meditate. 

Smith: Suppose I come to you and I say: Why should I meditate 
transcendentally? , what answer would you offer me? 

Maharishi: ... For the expansion of the mind. Mind should expand. In 
psychology we know that the man uses only a small portion of his 
mind. 

Smith: So, the benefit would be to myself. 

Maharishi: Of course. 

Smith: Nobody else? 

Maharishi: [...] On the social behavior: when one has an expanded 
state of consciousness, when he is happier and he thinks clearer, 
whatever he does and how he behave is on a much improved level. 

Smith: How can you be sure that this state will make a better person? 

Maharishi: Because, if a man uses a small portion of mind, he must be 
small in his understanding, in his thinking, in his feeling, in his 
behavior. And, if he uses a bigger portion of mind, he must be a man 
of much clearer thinking, more powerful thought, more refined and 
more accomplishing in the field of action, with sweet behavior in 
love and harmony... 

Smith: It doesn't follow that he will be a better person: he might be 
a worse person, because he might use a greater portion of his mind to 
do the harmful things than the smaller portion of his mind has 
already let in to do. 

Maharishi: Ha ha... But the thing is that the source of thought, 
where is the source of energy and intelligence, is bliss 
consciousness. 

Smith: What do you mean with bliss consciousness? 

Maharishi: Bliss consciousness creates a very happy, jolly mood. 

Smith: The sort of happy, jolly mood that people claim to get from a 
bottle of whisky? 

Maharishi: And then, the after effects of whisky are disasters, but 
the after effects of meditation are much more natural, because one 
comes out with a happy mood, and then he enjoys the world better and 
behaves much better, the actions are more profound. 

Smith: But why should he behave much better? I mean: are you teaching 
him the different between right and wrong? 

Maharishi: No, we don't teach him the difference between right and 
wrong. We improve his level of consciousness, and then he sees what 
right is and what wrong would be, and then he behaves better within 
himself. 

Smith: Has nothing to do with God at all, has it? 

Maharishi: The whole creation and everything has to do with God, but 
belief in God has nothing to do with Transcendental Meditation [...]. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: where are vedic city pundits?

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Raja Wynne recently said how happy he was to be back in vedic city
 with the 621 pundits.  I recently drove through the pundit camp there
 and didn't see any pundits at all outside.  It's possible they were
 all inside but it was a nice sunny afternoon so I doubt it.  The whole
 compound, which looks like a concentration camp, seemed deserted
actually.

 Maybe someone else from ffld could drive out there and see what they
 can find???  Did they move the pundits out of the vedic city trailers
 which FEMA has now admitted are too toxic to live in and are buying
back?


**

The FEMA trailer idea never went through -- the TMO bought new
manufactured housing.  Pundits spend their day doing pundit things:
Rudra Bhishek, multiple TM/Siddhi routines.


The current count is 632 pundits, with more on the way:

Raja Wynne said that another 400 Vedic Pandits will be coming soon, so
that there will then be over 1,000 Vedic Pandits in the United States at
Maharishi Vedic City.

http://new.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=120604421740896788
http://new.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=120604421740896788\

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[Vaj]

On Apr 1, 2008, at 2:29 PM, claudiouk wrote:


How about:
Transcendental Meditation Effective In Reducing High Blood Pressure,
Study Shows

ScienceDaily (Dec. 5, 2007) — People with high blood pressure may
find relief from transcendental meditation, according to a definitive
new meta-analysis of 107 published studies on stress reduction
programs and high blood pressure, which will be published in the
December issue of Current Hypertension Reports.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071204121953.htm



As with many pieces of TM research Claudia, this one hinges on the  
fact that most people will be fooled by an exaggerated conclusion.  
We'd really need to examine the data closely as TM researchers in the  
past have been very clever at the way the hide things and deceive.  
Given a past history of fraudulent conclusions, how do we know they  
just haven't got trickier and found more clever ways to fudge their  
data and parse conclusion statements which are quickly pushed out the  
door as press releases? We'd need to closely look at the controls and  
really try to look at just simple relaxation by itself, with the same  
motivations as TMers, twice a day and see whether or not you see the  
same thing there. As per usual, the results they're touting aren't any  
big deal, although their spin sounds like 'wow, I need to try this'-- 
which is of course what any good marketer will do.


What it highlights for me is that we live in a day and age where we  
can have biofeedback cults (Scientology) and science cults with  
research and pseudoscience as their obsessions (TM)--and often highly  
questionable research--and this is part and parcel of their new dogma,  
their belief system and comfort blanket.


That's not to say that TM is necessarily bad or even harmful for  
many people. What it is saying is that it's really not that much  
different from anyone who decides to take some time out of their day  
and relax, 2 x 20, every day as part of their lifestyle. Rigorous  
independent research discovered this years ago, that there was no real  
difference (and it was replicated). There also have been studies which  
have shown how bad use of controls in TM can actually reverse the  
findings! There are many ways to fudge data.


Such research on BP has already been done and replicated years ago, so  
if this study varies with previous independent research, it's probably  
suspect. What some TB's will often attempt to assert is 'there's new  
science and new technology and newer TM research' but the truth is,  
when studying blood pressure and common meditational research  
parameters, we've been able to measure them precisely for many years.  
It's also a way unscrupulous researchers from a scientific research  
cult can reshuffle the deck and let them re-throw the dice. In a  
scientific cult, they keep trying to re-throw the dice till they get  
one little positive thing--then they spin it. The more times they re- 
throw the dice, the more chances they get to tell you how great they  
think they are.


IIRC correctly this particular study had one parameter which up-ticked  
positively, that's all. Again, another exaggeration.


Perhaps when Ruth returns we can examine it more closely.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Special Dome Event Tonight

[WLeed3]

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In a message dated 4/1/2008 5:04:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Call me  an old hippie cynic, but when I read this,
Frank Zappa's version of the  Pomp And Circumstance
theme for a high school pageant leapt to mind as  
suitable background music as the heavenly-annointed 
as they entered  the holy hall. For the equally bent, 
here it is: Peaches en  regalia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnZrbFL9ImM


--- In  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

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 Pure Knowledge Tuesday evening at  8:15 to welcome and honor Dr. Benjamin
 Feldman and Dr. Prakash  Shrivastava on their historic visit to Maharishi
 Vedic City and  Maharishi University of Management. They will be
 introduced by Raja  Wynne of Maharishi Vedic City.
 
 Dr. Feldman, Kuberaji, is the  Minister of Finance and Planning of the
 Global Country of World Peace  and a member of the Executive Committee of
 the Brahmanand Saraswati  Trust. Dr. Shrivastava is Chairman of the
 Central Bank of the Global  Country of World Peace and founding trustee
 of Maharishi Veda Vigyan  Vidya Peetham Trust and has been responsible
 for the training of tens  of thousands of Maharishi Vedic Pandits in over
 150 different  locations in India.
 
 Drs. Feldman and Shrivastava, global  leaders of Maharishi's world-wide
 movement, will be giving news and  inspiration from around the world. No
 one will want to miss this  historic event.
 
 Jai Guru Dev
 
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Everyone is invited to  come to the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome of
Pure Knowledge Tuesday  evening at 8:15 to welcome and honor Dr. Benjamin
Feldman and Dr. Prakash  Shrivastava on their historic visit to Maharishi
Vedic City and Maharishi  University of Management. They will be
introduced by Raja Wynne of  Maharishi Vedic City.

Dr. Feldman, Kuberaji, is the Minister of Finance  and Planning of the
Global Country of World Peace and a member of the  Executive Committee of
the Brahmanand Saraswati Trust. Dr. Shrivastava is  Chairman of the
Central Bank of the Global Country of World Peace and  founding trustee
of Maharishi Veda Vigyan Vidya Peetham Trust and has been  responsible
for the training of tens of thousands of Maharishi Vedic  Pandits in over
150 different locations in India.

Drs. Feldman and  Shrivastava, global leaders of Maharishi's world-wide
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Presumably you've read the thing and know what their
 criteria were for rejecting the ones they did reject. 
 They've got a whole list and they state their reasons
 briefly.  Criteria also emerge from their own
 procedures.  If you're knowledgeable about these
 things, why not just cite the studies?

Angela, Vaj has apparently managed to confuse you
thoroughly with his flimflam.

The only issue here is that there is two decades'
worth of TM research that the Buddhist authors of
this so-called study completely ignored. Instead,
they examined the *first* decade of TM research,
when the studies were much cruder and more 
exploratory. The TM researchers got better at
doing such research as they went along.

If you're going to evaluate a body of research to
see whether certain claims hold water, you look 
at the best and most recent studies, not the oldest
ones.

It's entirely possible that if these authors had
looked at the more recent TM research, they'd have
been equally as critical of it as of the older
research--but we have no way of knowing that,
because they didn't examine it.

It's not necessary to know their evaluation criteria
or the quality of the later studies vis-a-vis those
criteria; that's *your* red herring. I never claimed
to be knowledgeable enough to do that, but it's
irrelevant anyway.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Apr 1, 2008, at 1:02 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
 
  And of course the study in question only lists the studies
  they specifically refer to! This is part of what is known
  as the APA style, common in almost all research for
  publication.
 
  More disingenuity. The *problem* is that they did not
  refer to those later studies *because they did not
  look at them*.
 
 As in previous desperate attempts to somehow make a state of
 the art paper look bad, this one falls on all but other TB ears
 as BS Judy. In no decently written papers of this kind have I
 seen wanton referral to research that is not directly linked to 
 something included in the paper.

No, this is yet more disingenuity.

One more time: The Buddhist researchers purport
to have evaluated TM research, but they ignored
the two most recent decades' worth of published
studies.

That's absurd on its face. Has nothing to do with
APA form, as you know, or any of the other red
herrings and flimflam you've tried to throw in.

It would have made sense for them to have ignored
the *earier* studies and focused entirely on the
most recent ones that dealt with the topics they
chose to discuss.

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Guru Dev Photo

[lurkernomore20002000]

What a build up and..let down.  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 On Behalf Of nsm108
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 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Guru Dev Photo
 
  
 
 --- In HYPERLINK
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 Archer rick@ wrote:
 
 Rick, I can't access this photo. Have you posted it in the photo 
 section?
 
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 yes. if that link doesn't work, although it does for me, it's #20 
in the
 Gurus/Guru Dev section.
 
  
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] where are vedic city pundits?

[Sal Sunshine]

On Apr 1, 2008, at 12:02 PM, boo_lives wrote:


Raja Wynne recently said how happy he was to be back in vedic city
with the 621 pundits.  I recently drove through the pundit camp  
there and didn't see any pundits at all outside.  It's possible  
they were all inside but it was a nice sunny afternoon so I doubt  
it.  The whole compound, which looks like a concentration camp,  
seemed deserted actually.


Maybe someone else from ffld could drive out there and see what they
can find???  Did they move the pundits out of the vedic city  
trailers which FEMA has now admitted are too toxic to live in and  
are buying back?


They're too toxic?  Hadn't heard any of that.  I'll try to take a  
ride out there tomorrow and see if I can sight any intelligent life  
out there, my own excepted of course. :)


Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality...what a concept

[endlessrainintoapapercup]

TurqB., you're a bit of a wild man,
but that's all part of your charm.
I enjoyed our conversation yesterday,
but remain puzzled by the apparent
lack of any congruence and 
understanding between us regarding
the subject of reality/Reality. That's
okay. I don't perceive myself to be
any kind of authority on the subject,
and have no vested interest in
convincing you that there is any
validity in anything I say. But I'd like
to point out that the way you appear
to be interpreting my words on the
subject of reality does not actually
represent my perspective at all.
Maybe you are referring to another
conversation you had with someone
else...? If it is our conversation you are
referring to, you haven't actually 
understood what I said. Not that you're 
short on understanding, but words, 
such as reality, convey different
conceptual meanings to each of us.
I read the words you write, which
appear to be an inferred representation
of my understanding of reality/Reality,
and they honestly don't represent my
perception at all. When you speak
back what you think I'm saying, it
becomes something else entirely.
I'll make an effort to communicate
more clearly and not assume that
there is any kind of shared understanding
in regard to future topics. And maybe
you could resist the impulse to 
make statements about what you think
I believe and experience? Unless that's
too much to ask. Like I said, your
wildness is part of your charm.





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@
 wrote:
 
  --- In 
  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis 
  tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote:
  
Barry writes snipped:
I'm completely *comfortable* with the notion of there
being a Saganesque billions and billions of realities. 
That poses no problem for me whatsoever. 
   
   TomT:
   For me it appears to be a Baskin and Robbins store with trillions 
   of flavors and ultimately the only thing you can know is the 
   flavor of you the perceiver. It has your flavor as it is filtered 
   through the DNA you are made of. You impart the flavor by the act 
   of perceiving.
   Have fun. TOm
  
  so the Saganesque and Baskin and Robbins store containers 
  are what each of you conceptually use as your metaphors for 
  reality with a capital R. 
 
 What I think we are saying (I hope Tom will
 forgive me for speaking for him) is that we
 don't feel any need to delude ourselves into
 thinking that 1) there is such a thing as
 Reality with a capital R, or 2) that we know
 what it is. reality (or realities) with a 
 lowercase r is just fine for us.
 
 The point I've been trying to make is that
 reality is merely a *concept*. It can't stand
 on its own; it does not and cannot have an
 existence independent of a perceiver. It needs 
 a perceiver to *perceive* reality, or to 
 distinguish it from (if such a thing existed) 
 non-reality. It's a codependent relationship. :-)
 
 And the moment you bring a perceiver into the
 equation, you have Point Of View. That POV, in
 the perceiver, has to color the nature of the
 perceived. Some claim that they can attain a
 state of consciousness or POV that is color-
 less, and that as a result what they perceive
 is accurate -- Reality. I don't buy it. (As an
 aside, you may feel that your SOC is colorless,
 but it took less than two days for most people
 here to figure out who you were when you began
 posting under another ID. How colorless is that?)
 
 I feel that the state of consciousness of UC or 
 BC is *just* as colored as any other, and that 
 what beings in that state of consciousness perceive
 from the POV of UC or BC is *just* as much a
 consensual reality based on interdependent
 origination as the reality perceived by someone
 in total ignorance. It's just a *different*
 reality, that's all.
 
 I don't get the seeming need to believe that
 one knows what Reality (capital R) is, or to
 claim that one perceives it. It seems to be just
 another way of saying, I'm the best. I'm content
 with enjoying the parade of realities as they go by.
 
  As someone said recently somewhere else, its a lot 
  like ignorance, only with that 'darned' fullness.
 
 It's EXACTLY like ignorance, INCLUDING the fullness.
 The fullness is present in ignorance as well. And
 neither state has anything whatsoever to do with
 Reality IMO. Just one more reality. Chop wood,
 carry water, ad infinitum.
 
 If you bristle at this idea, doncha think it might
 have something to do with being attached to not 
 only thinking that you know Reality but convincing
 others that you know it?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Apr 1, 2008, at 2:29 PM, claudiouk wrote:
 
  How about:
  Transcendental Meditation Effective In Reducing High Blood 
Pressure,
  Study Shows
 
  ScienceDaily (Dec. 5, 2007) — People with high blood pressure may
  find relief from transcendental meditation, according to a 
definitive
  new meta-analysis of 107 published studies on stress reduction
  programs and high blood pressure, which will be published in the
  December issue of Current Hypertension Reports.
 
  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071204121953.htm
 
 
 As with many pieces of TM research Claudia, this one hinges on
 the fact that most people will be fooled by an exaggerated 
 conclusion. We'd really need to examine the data closely as TM 
 researchers in the past have been very clever at the way the
 hide things and deceive. Given a past history of fraudulent 
 conclusions

There is no such past history, as Vaj knows. That's *his*
highly biased conclusion, not an established fact.

[FairfieldLife] Ayurvedic herbs

[yifuxero]

under Ayurvedic at:
http://www.tinyurl.com/22rhmp

Andrographis

Ashwagandha

Bacopa

Boswellia

Coleus

Fenugreek

Ginger

Gotu Kola

Guggul
 Gymnema

Licorice

Myrrh

Neem

Phyllanthus

Picrorhiza

Psyllium

Turmeric

Tylophora
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eckhart Tolle and Winfrey, a Mass Secular Sprituality

[dhamiltony2k5]

Forthwith: about that Tolle Secular Spiritual Technology.  
Henceforth; if, you are applying for a dome program badge or any 
campus or TMmovement program and have also ever visited Oprah.com you 
will need to sign a statement recanting everything you might have 
seen there and promise that you will never ever go back to visit that 
site or any other holy, spiritual or saint ever again before you can 
join the dome program.   

Other than that the campus is always very pleased to have you as part 
of their practice of TM and TM-Sidhis program.  Jai Guru Dev. 

p.s., please bring a certified copy of your internet log for the last 
five weeks from your ISP.

Jai Guru Dev,


11 million people last nite?  




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Eckhart Tolle and Oprah transform a world?  Ex-pats, you seen what 
is 
 going on with them in America?  
 
 Secular spiritual teaching and secular spiritual counseling to 
modern 
 culture.   700,000 people the first nite.  A million or more for 
the 
 second.  5 million and then again.  
 
 'Attentive' viewers getting spiritual teaching  spiritual practice 
 that you would recognize if you are of the old TMmovement.   Pretty 
 incredible in a way of the new media.  An hour and a half at a 
time.  
 Is more secular spiritual teaching and more people taught spiritual 
 practice than even Maharishi accomplished in 50 years.  Is proly 
 quite more an impact as a social phenomena than a bunch of guys 
 (rajas) in burger king hats and robes to compete with.
 
 
 If you have not caught what is going on, you might back up and view 
 the archive `classes' with Eckhart and Oprah.  Can find it on 
 Oprah.comIs quite a thing going on there.As it goes along 
is 
 also a dyana type advaitan/buddhist meditation taught without any 
 cultural filter or overlay.  Even a led meditation on television.  
Is 
 a Secular spirituality.  Starts off in the first hour with them 
 giving a very 'transcendentalist' secular definition to 
spirituality 
 and then bloody noses to doctrinal religion by contrast.   Goes on 
to 
 really a pretty good transcendentalist's social criticism with very 
 little jargon of religion.  
 
 http://www.oprah.com
 
 click through the various links to find the archive download-able 
 link to the classes' that have happened.  The week's class with 
them 
 is every Monday nite.  That becomes available the next day by noon 
to 
 download.  Is excellent secular spiritual teaching/counseling 
 throughout.  Pretty incredible bump it gives to modern culture 
using 
 the facility of all that is internet.
 
 
http://www.oprah.com/obc_classic/webcast/archive/archive_watchnow.jsp
 
 
 This is a new thing on the internet to have so many people signing 
on 
 at the same time to view one thing together.  Is work in progress 
as 
 far as the connection to the live broadcast.  They have it figured 
 out pretty well now after several weeks.  Live interactive video 
all 
 around the globe.  You can download the archive classes though for 
 free.
 
 Something seems is going on.  Take a look at it if you have not.
 
 Jai Guru Dev,
 
 -Doug in FF

[FairfieldLife] An Indexing to FairfieldLife

[dhamiltony2k5]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/171980

[FairfieldLife] Re: FF Directory, Active Spiritual Practice Groups

[dhamiltony2k5]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/171981

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[Angela Mailander]

well, then, I'd like an
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
 Mailander 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Presumably you've read the thing and know what
 their
  criteria were for rejecting the ones they did
 reject. 
  They've got a whole list and they state their
 reasons
  briefly.  Criteria also emerge from their own
  procedures.  If you're knowledgeable about these
  things, why not just cite the studies?
 
 Angela, Vaj has apparently managed to confuse you
 thoroughly with his flimflam.
 
 The only issue here is that there is two decades'
 worth of TM research that the Buddhist authors of
 this so-called study completely ignored. Instead,
 they examined the *first* decade of TM research,
 when the studies were much cruder and more 
 exploratory. The TM researchers got better at
 doing such research as they went along.
 
 If you're going to evaluate a body of research to
 see whether certain claims hold water, you look 
 at the best and most recent studies, not the oldest
 ones.
 
 It's entirely possible that if these authors had
 looked at the more recent TM research, they'd have
 been equally as critical of it as of the older
 research--but we have no way of knowing that,
 because they didn't examine it.
 
 It's not necessary to know their evaluation criteria
 or the quality of the later studies vis-a-vis those
 criteria; that's *your* red herring. I never claimed
 to be knowledgeable enough to do that, but it's
 irrelevant anyway.
 
 
 
 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] What the American people are up against

[gullible fool]

The artist did a great job, but he obviously doesn't
play chess.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Guru Dev Photo

[Peter]

Was this found in the state of Missouri? Why can't
Purusha spell? ;-)

--- lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 What a build up and..let
 down.  
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of nsm108
  Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:04 PM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Guru Dev Photo
  
   
  
  --- In HYPERLINK
  mailto:FairfieldLife%
 40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 Rick
  Archer rick@ wrote:
  
  Rick, I can't access this photo. Have you posted
 it in the photo 
  section?
  
   HYPERLINK
 

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/e93e?
 b=20http:/
 

/ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/e93e?b=20
   
  yes. if that link doesn't work, although it does
 for me, it's #20 
 in the
  Gurus/Guru Dev section.
  
   
  
  
  No virus found in this outgoing message.
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 Release Date: 
 3/31/2008
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield on the BBC!

[Angela Mailander]

Sorry, about that last truncated message that got sent
by accident before I finished typing it. 

So, what I was gonna say was Well, then, I'd like an
explanation for why they would just ignore twenty
years worth of research.  If true, that is suspect on
the face of it. 

Whaddaya say, Vaj?

 
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
 Mailander 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Presumably you've read the thing and know what
 their
  criteria were for rejecting the ones they did
 reject. 
  They've got a whole list and they state their
 reasons
  briefly.  Criteria also emerge from their own
  procedures.  If you're knowledgeable about these
  things, why not just cite the studies?
 
 Angela, Vaj has apparently managed to confuse you
 thoroughly with his flimflam.
 
 The only issue here is that there is two decades'
 worth of TM research that the Buddhist authors of
 this so-called study completely ignored. Instead,
 they examined the *first* decade of TM research,
 when the studies were much cruder and more 
 exploratory. The TM researchers got better at
 doing such research as they went along.
 
 If you're going to evaluate a body of research to
 see whether certain claims hold water, you look 
 at the best and most recent studies, not the oldest
 ones.
 
 It's entirely possible that if these authors had
 looked at the more recent TM research, they'd have
 been equally as critical of it as of the older
 research--but we have no way of knowing that,
 because they didn't examine it.
 
 It's not necessary to know their evaluation criteria
 or the quality of the later studies vis-a-vis those
 criteria; that's *your* red herring. I never claimed
 to be knowledgeable enough to do that, but it's
 irrelevant anyway.
 
 
 
 


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[FairfieldLife] Big Spring

[sandiego108]

- an original composition. enjoy!
All music copyrighted by Jim Flanegin

http://www.mediamax.com/sandiego108/Hosted/Big%20Spring.mp3

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beautiful, sweet, innocent -- but a creepy zombie nonetheless.

[Angela Mailander]

Edg, 
I wish every person in the world were as outraged as
you are over the killing that goes on daily and the
torturing of children for the sake of money.  If we
were, if we truly were, then wars would not be
possible. 

Think of Nero.  Even he, as cruel and depraved as he
was, had to stop using elephants in the arena to be
slaughtered in various ways because whenever an
elephant was hurt, all the other elephants would
grieve so much that even Nero could not bear it.  

And so yes, I do wish everyone were like elephants or
like you on this planet.  


--- Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Angela,
 
 Thanks for the wisdom.  I felt it.
 
 I suppose we should all talk about what is allowed
 when it comes to
 poetic flourishes.
 
 When I wrote up the concept of Bush being
 tortured, please
 understand that I fully knew that I was, well, being
 Bushy myself if I
 really meant the words, and further, that I knew I
 didn't have the
 omniscience to know how Bush should be punished --
 or rewarded -- for
 his actions, and also that I well understand how
 words can fly at
 ground level under folks' radars and suddenly there
 they are with 
 yucky stuff in their minds that are then subject
 to an unwanted
 cascade of untoward emotions, imagery, and concepts.
 
 I'm a writer -- writers know that Robert Frost said
 that one was only
 allowed the use of the word love three times when
 one takes up the
 job of writer, and so, I say, Well, I got to be
 creative in how I
 express a concept that's been bandied in 30 posts
 already.  It costs
 me a lot of time to come up with something that's
 all mine, and,
 sorry, but it's fun for me to see if I can actually
 come up with yet
 another way to express disgust for war, predation
 and racism.
 
 If I'm kidding myself when I think I'm being merely
 ordinarily
 enraged just as any decent person would be, then
 tell me so -- if
 anyone here can, you can.  But right now, I only
 have to have in my
 mind one image of carnage to know that I have never
 written any words
 that cause even as much discomfort as a paper cut. 
 Yet when the
 carnage is DAILY there in the headlines, and we're
 just, you know,
 counting angels on pinheads, it grinds me hard that
 no voice here
 decries the war mongering even if it's by a person
 who in all
 likelihood is kookoonuts.
 
 I sometimes think I'm the only sighted person here. 
 Don't images --
 whether seen in words or photos, doesn't matter --
 get entered into by
 you folks out there?
 
 I know the hearts here enough to say that even the
 War Monger would
 screech his car to a halt if he saw a toddler
 walking along a highway
 without an adult nearby, but when that same person
 can espouse
 genocide with a bigass smirk, I cannot see how this
 happens.  I
 understand racism and cruelty, but to have a mind so
 able to
 compartmentalize and disconnect carnage-on-babies
 seems sociopathic at
 the least.  
 
 When I see so little resonance here with my
 excoriation of abusive
 immoralists, I feel like, hey, someone's gotta say
 sumptin' and if it
 ain't me, who's it gunna be?
 
 If the War Monger or the Young Woman Predator or the
 Atheists who toss
 out spirituality with religion's bathwater, would
 just stop regularly
 glorifying in their malignancies, I wouldn't be
 posting my vitriol.
 
 I am not harping here about TONS of issues that
 should be harped about
 -- merely because there's no one posting here who's
 stupid or immoral
 or evil enough to support those issues. If there was
 a pedophile
 posting here, why, I wouldn't have to write a single
 word cuz there'd
 be such a flurry of attacks upon the creep.
 
 As Christ said, The poor you will always have. 
 So, yeah, let's make
 merry and ignore that tomorrow another 50 Arabs will
 not be able to
 ever make merry again.  As Clint Eastwood said,
 When you kill a man,
 you not only take everything he owns, but all the
 things he could ever
 own.
 
 Sorry, but mood making myself into a positive
 emotion, seems sick in
 the face of the daily news.  
 
 To me, every toddler in the Middle East is my own
 child standing on a
 major highway in the dark, in the rain, in abject
 terror.  Even if I
 know the next car behind me is going to stop, I
 cannot help myself
 from stopping first.  
 
 I'm trying to help stop the tolling of the world's
 bells, for thee, ya
 know?
 
 Well, okay, it's for me, but thee gets the benefit
 too, eh?
 
 Edg
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
 Mailander
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Dearest Edg,
  I know your letter was addressed to Stu, and you
 know
  I don't dislike you, but I thought I'd respond
 anyway.
  
  I totally sympathize with your rants about the
 cruelty
  of man to man.  But when I see you advocating the
  public torture of Mr. Bush, I recoil in the same
  horror you profess to feel when you hear of the
  torture of Iraqi children--of which we, as a
 people,
  are guilty.
  
  And yet, are we guilty?  In another sense, we are
 not.
   

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Guru Dev Photo

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ---at http://www.tinyurl.com/2avb72


Very atypical photo of SBS, interesting though!

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/e93e?b=20

[FairfieldLife] Ballad of the Spiritual Soldiers

[yifuxero]

Ballad of the Green Beret.
From an internet website:

 

Fighting soldiers from the sky
Fearless men who jump and die
Men who mean just what they say
The brave men of the Green Beret.



Silver Wings upon their chest
These are men, America's best
One hundred men will test today
But only three win the Green Beret.



Trained to live off nature's land
Trained in combat, hand to hand
Men who fight by night and day
Courage picked from the Green Beret.



Silver Wings upon their chest
These are men, America's best
One hundred men will test today
But only three win the Green Beret.



Back at home a young wife waits
Her Green Beret has met his fate
He has died for those oppressed
Leaving her his last request.



Put Silver Wings on my son's chest
Make him one of America's best
He'll be a man they'll test one day
Have him win the Green Beret.

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM rendered obsolete. Oprah Tolle Eclipse dead Maharishi and TMorg

[dhamiltony2k5]

  fflmod@ wrote:
  if you plan to post links the FFL way, you have
  to do it the FFL way, which means link only, no
  conversation, no description beyond what's in the
  subject line, like so:
 
 
 
 
http://www.oprah.com/obc_classic/webcast/archive/archive_watchnow.jsp


No, No, No.

Forthwith: about that Tolle Secular Spiritual Technology.
Henceforth; if, you are applying for a dome program badge or any
campus or TMmovement program and have also ever visited Oprah.com you
will need to sign a statement recanting everything you might have
seen there and promise that you will never ever go back to visit that
site or any other holy, spiritual or saint ever again before you can
join the dome program.

Other than that the campus is always very pleased to have you as part
of their practice of TM and TM-Sidhis program. Jai Guru Dev.

p.s., please bring a certified copy of your internet log for the last
five weeks from your ISP.

Jai Guru Dev,


11 million people last nite?

[FairfieldLife] TM Tru-believers?

[dhamiltony2k5]

Would you trust your Spiritual life, to a TM-TB'er now?

[FairfieldLife] Obama's Oil Spill

[authfriend]

From FactCheck.org:

Obama's Oil Spill
March 31, 2008

Obama says he doesn't take money from oil companies. We say that's a 
little too slick.

Summary
In a new ad, Obama says, I don't take money from oil companies.

Technically, that's true, since a law that has been on the books for 
more than a century prohibits corporations from giving money directly 
to any federal candidate. But that doesn't distinguish Obama from his 
rivals in the race.

We find the statement misleading:

Obama has accepted more than $213,000 from individuals who work for 
companies in the oil and gas industry and their spouses. 

Two of Obama's bundlers are top executives at oil companies and are 
listed on his Web site as raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for 
the presidential hopeful. 

Read more:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_oil_spill.html
http://tinyurl.com/35s7f5

New politics, my Aunt Cornelia.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Tru-believers?

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Would you trust your Spiritual life, to a TM-TB'er now?

well, I trusted my spiritual life to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the 
biggest TM-TB'er of them all...so does that answer your question?

[FairfieldLife] Straight Shooting from Tuzla

[authfriend]

April 1, 2008
Op-Ed Contributor
Straight Shooting From Tuzla 
By LISSA MUSCATINE and MELANNE VERVEER
Washington

AS staff members who traveled with the first lady, Hillary Rodham 
Clinton, to Bosnia in March 1996, we have followed with more than 
passing interest the extensive news coverage of her landing in Tuzla. 
Video footage clearly shows that Mrs. Clinton's assertions that she 
landed under fire and that the arrival ceremony was canceled were 
wrong. She said so herself last week. 

Yet even since she acknowledged her mistake, the commentary has 
continued unabated. Reports are now being embellished (to borrow the 
term du jour) to suggest that Bosnia was not really a danger zone. 
Her visiting American troops on a peacekeeping mission in a hostile 
environment is now being treated as if it were a trip to the beach. 
During a week of nonstop coverage, few journalists went beyond the 
irresistible video footage to ask what else happened on this trip and 
how Mrs. Clinton might have erred in the details about the landing in 
Tuzla. So here are some facts that provide context:

We flew in a C-17 cargo plane from Germany to Bosnia precisely 
because it was capable of steep descents and ascents into and out of 
areas of conflict. We were issued flak jackets on the plane before 
landing in Tuzla and were told the tarmac ceremony might be canceled 
or curtailed due to sniper fire from the surrounding hillsides. The 
first lady and Chelsea Clinton were moved to the armored cockpit for 
the landing. Armored vehicles were placed around the tarmac, and 
Apache helicopters hovered overhead.

In a recent e-mail message to a British blogger, Ejup Ganic, who was 
the acting president of Bosnia during Mrs. Clinton's visit, wrote: I 
remember that visit quite well. Although the NATO troops were in 
Tuzla, we still believed that some positions on the hills were 
occupied by radical Serbs, so I was worried about the overall 
safety. The planned welcoming ceremony was shortened, he said, but 
it still lasted a bit longer than expected because a nongovernment 
group brought along a little girl to sing to the first lady.

Later, Mrs. Clinton flew from Tuzla to two military outposts by 
helicopter, escorted by Apache gunships.

As has been reported, Mrs. Clinton's trip to Bosnia included a U.S.O. 
component with the comedian Sinbad and the singer Sheryl Crow. The 
helicopters that carried them to performances at American base camps 
zigzagged just above the trees to avoid potential ground fire, 
according to Carey Cavanaugh, who was then a State Department 
official traveling with Sinbad, and helicopters flew alongside to 
deal with the threat of anti-aircraft fire or snipers. These facts 
explain why many of us, including the first lady, believed that the 
conditions on the ground were precarious. We were worried about 
sniper fire and were prepared to rush off the tarmac when we landed.

In their single-minded focus on the landing in Tuzla, reporters and 
commentators have omitted any discussion of what Mrs. Clinton 
accomplished on her trip. In addition to showing support for our 
troops and for the peace accords in Bosnia, Mrs. Clinton met with 
Bosnian religious leaders, women and community activists and, when 
she returned to Washington, was able to give administration officials 
her firsthand assessment of the nascent reconstruction effort. 

After leaving Bosnia, she met with leaders of Turkey and Greece and 
in those countries promoted efforts on behalf of international 
development and democracy. In Istanbul, five years before 9/11, Mrs. 
Clinton presciently convened representatives of some of the world's 
major religions to advance a dialogue about religious reconciliation 
and ways to counter religious extremism. 

The video of her arrival on the tarmac in Bosnia may be great theater 
and easy fodder for commentators, but it shouldn't be allowed to 
obscure what else was happening on this important trip when the 
cameras weren't rolling. 

Lissa Muscatine was the chief speechwriter and Melanne Verveer was 
the chief of staff for Hillary Rodham Clinton when she was first 
lady. Ms. Muscatine is an adviser to Mrs. Clinton's presidential 
campaign. 

Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company 

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/01/opinion/01muscatine.html?ref=opinion
http://tinyurl.com/yrn6pd

[FairfieldLife] The Dome Numbers

[dhamiltony2k5]

The numbers.  I got introduced to someone who had lunch with Howard 
Settle last week.  Howard is wondering, why are there so few 
Fairfield meditators in the domes?  

What would you tell Howard about this?

I told the person to tell Howard that he ought to come up here and 
have coffee off-campus with folks in town (Fairfield -not Vedic City) 
to find out the answer. -D


Om, their grand experiment... What could they possibly do to get the
numbers they need for their utopia? People seem to be staying
outside or not coming back in. What could they do to change that
direction?

Jai Guru Dev,

-Doug in FF

163190






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Om, their grand experiment...  What could they possibly do to get 
the 
 numbers they need for their utopia?  People seem to be staying 
 outside or not coming back in.  What could they do to change that 
 direction?
 
 Jai Guru Dev,
 
 -Doug in FF
 
 163190
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  From: David Orme-Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 12:08 PM
  To: David Orme-Johnson
  Subject: Rationale for the Maharishi Effect
  
   
  
  Dear Colleagues,
  
   
  
  The rationale for the Maharishi Effect, which holds that we exist 
 in a field
  of consciousness through which everyone is connected, is a very 
old 
 idea
  with a high pedigree. Even more exciting is that the modern seers 
 who know
  natural law the best, the greatest physicists of our time, have 
 been lead by
  their discoveries to the realization that consciousness is the 
most
  fundamental level of natural law. 
  
   
  
  I just added a rationale section to TruthAboutTM.com, snappily 
 entitled
  HYPERLINK
  http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/SocietalEffects/Rationale-
 Research/index.
  cfm#rationaleSome Conceptual Precedents for a Field Theoretic 
View 
 of
  Consciousness from the Perennial Philosophy, Social Sciences, and 
 Quantum
  Physics.
  
   
  
  You can go to the link above to view the whole thing, and/or here 
 are some
  excerpts. 
  
   
  
  Perennial Philosophy. The suggestion that individuals interact 
 directly at a
  distance through an underlying common field of consciousness has 
a 
 long
  history. Indeed, it is embedded in the perennial philosophy, 
the 
 term
  Aldous Huxley (1945) first applied to the universal system of 
 thought that
  has persisted throughout history in all parts of the world and 
which
  continues to be seriously discussed by major thinkers, as 
 documented by
  Sheer (1994). The key tenets of the perennial philosophy can be 
 stated as:
  (1) the phenomenal world is a manifestation of an unmanifest 
 transcendental
  ground, a field of consciousness or Being, which is the infinite 
 organizing
  power structuring all forms and phenomena in the universe; (2) 
the 
 human
  mind also has a transcendental ground, which is the silent level 
of
  transcendental consciousness at the basis of all thought and 
 perception; (3)
  transcendental consciousness is the direct experience by the 
 individual of
  the transcendental ground of the universe; and (4), this 
experience
  organizes individual and collective life to be fully 
evolutionary, 
 creative,
  harmonious, and problem-free. From this perspective, the key to 
 creating an
  ideal society is a technology that promotes transcending from the 
 waking
  state mind to experience transcendental consciousness (Maharishi, 
 1977). The
  physiological correlates of transcendental consciousness through 
 Maharishi's
  Transcendental Meditation technique have been extensively studied 
 (e.g.,
  Wallace, 1970; Travis  Pearson, 1999; Travis, Tecce, Arenander, 
 
 Wallace,
  2002).
  
   
  
  The transcendental ground of the universe is conceived of in 
terms 
 of a God
  concept in many cultures. In others, like Taoism and Vedanta, it 
is 
 simply
  regarded as an abstract field of pure consciousness.
  
   
  
  Social Sciences. Concepts of collective consciousness have been 
 proposed by
  some of the founders of the social sciences, such as Fechner's
  transcendental basis of perception, Durkheim's conscience 
 collective, and
  Jung's collective unconscious. 
  
   
  
  Gustav Fechner is best known for developing methods of measuring 
 sensory
  thresholds, which are the least amounts of energy that the senses 
 can
  detect. What motivated his studies of thresholds was his 
experience 
 of a
  single transcendental continuum of general consciousness 
 underlying the
  discontinuities of numerous localized individual minds associated 
 with
  different people. He illustrated the idea with a model in which 
 individual
  minds were likened to separate islands in the water. But if the 
 level of the
  water were lowered sufficiently, the islands would be seen to 
 actually be
  mountains that are connected at their base by the ground. Like 
 that, if the
  perceptual threshold were 

[FairfieldLife] I Am a Strange Loop

[tertonzeno]

In Hofstadter's POV, a person's existence existence is an endless 
loop.
A defining event - some years ago - was the unfortunate death of his 
young daughter. Hofstadter seems to have difficulty grappling with 
her departure.  He states that the entity that made up his 
Daughter's persona is a collection of experiences that he can 
currently tune into. Therefore, from his materialist POV, she's still 
present somehow.
 There's no room at all for a Transcendent Reality in his worldview. 
But of course, one can grok the Transcendent without believing in an 
afterlife state; and visa versa. Here's a synopsis.:
[note: by consciousness Hofstadter admits that people are 
consciousness, but there's no room for Being (per MMY's definition) 
outside of the body/mind and especially the endless loop of thoughts.



StoryCode says: click here to see more stories like this one.

Synopsis:This is Douglas R Hofstadter's long-awaited return to the 
themes of Godel, Escher, Bach - an original and controversial 
view of the nature of consciousness and identity. Why do we say I? 
Can thought arise out of matter? By thought we mean not mere 
calculation, the manipulation of algorithms and patterns according to 
fixed rules, but something deeper: experience, self-awareness, 
consciousness. I Am a Strange Loop argues that the key to 
understanding the level on which consciousness operates is the 
feedback loop. After introducing the reader to simple feedback 
systems like a flush toilet, the ever-popular thermostat and his own 
experiments with a video camera pointed at its own monitor, he 
Hofstadter turns to the idea of strange loops - feedback loops, 
which exist on two levels of meaning, a theory, which Kurt Godel 
employed in the mathematical statements constructed for his 
famous Incompleteness Theorem. Like Godel's logical statements, the 
brain also exists on at least two levels: a deterministic level of 
atoms and neurons, and a higher level of large mental structures we 
call symbols. One of these symbols, perhaps the central one which 
relates to all others in our minds, is the strange loop we call I. 
By the time we reach adulthood, Hofstadter writes, I is an endless 
hall of mirrors, encompassing everything that has ever happened to 
us, vast numbers of counterfactual replays of important episodes in 
our lives, invented memories and expectations. But is it real? And if 
so, what does it consist of? Douglas Hofstadter's first book-length 
essay on a scientific subject since Godel, Escher, Bach, I Am 
a Strange Loop is a journey to the cutting edge of ideas about 
consciousness - a bold and provocative argument that is informed by 
the author's unique verbal whimsy and eye for the telling example. 
Compulsively readable and endlessly thought-provoking, this is the 
book Hofstadter's many readers have been waiting for.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Tru-believers?

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  Would you trust your Spiritual life, to a TM-TB'er now?
 
 well, I trusted my spiritual life to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the 
 biggest TM-TB'er of them all...so does that answer your question?


No, it didn't.  He is dead.  Thanks for answering though.  -D

[FairfieldLife] Would You Sign This?

[dhamiltony2k5]

 Would you trust your Spiritual life, to a TM-TB'er now?


If you had the time to read and think about this, would you sign this?

course o the A of  E Agreement

4. I understand that the practice of the programs does not require 
the acceptance of any belief or lifestyle.

6. I understand that the organizations teaching the programs and 
Advanced Courses of the AoE are non-profit organizations dedicated to 
benefiting the individual, society and the world and that all of 
their resources and energy are used to fulfill these valuable 
purposes.

These organizations shall be entitled to enforce this provision of 
the Agreement by injunctive relief as well as be entitled to any 
other legal or equitable remedy.

17.  I also agree that the organizations offering this Course may 
intervene at any time in any proceeding involving a teacher, or an 
organization in order to enforce the provisions of this agreement for 
the benefit of itself, the teacher or other organization.  The 
organization conducting this Course shall have the right, without my 
consent, to transfer its rights and obligations contained in this 
Agreement to any other person or organization.

Jai Guru Dev,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Guru Dev Photo

[gullible fool]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mussoorie

I know I'm breaking FFL tradition here, but I'm going
to add some idle chatter to my link. Mussourie
should be spelled Mussoorie. It's an interesting
land far away from the show-me state.

--- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Was this found in the state of Missouri? Why can't
 Purusha spell? ;-)
 
 --- lurkernomore20002000
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  What a build up and..let
  down.  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick
 Archer
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   On Behalf Of nsm108
   Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:04 PM
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Guru Dev Photo
   

   
   --- In HYPERLINK
   mailto:FairfieldLife%
  40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  Rick
   Archer rick@ wrote:
   
   Rick, I can't access this photo. Have you posted
  it in the photo 
   section?
   
HYPERLINK
  
 

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/e93e?
  b=20http:/
  
 

/ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/e93e?b=20

   yes. if that link doesn't work, although it does
  for me, it's #20 
  in the
   Gurus/Guru Dev section.
   

   
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Beautiful, sweet, innocent -- but a creepy zombie nonetheless.

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I do this for a living.  I make inanimate objects have emotions and
 appear as if they are sentient beings.  Thats 90% of a film editor's
 work.
 
 Like many attempts to create the illusion of a human the CGI girl will
 never have a soul.  That is not the way to create the artifice of a
 human.  What works best for most artists is to give the figure a story. 
 CGI girl does not have a story.  Creepy.  Bad art.  Yech!
 
 I don't have a soul either.  I don't know what a soul is.  Its another
 one of those iron age terms ignorant people used.  In those days people
 thought the brain was an organ designed to cool the blood.  The idea of
 a soul compensated for lack of knowledge.
 
 I don't have a soul but I do have a story, and thats one of the things
 that makes me human.
 
 s.


That was really excellent Stu. I especially dug your soul description!
 I too have no soul, but I sure got soul!

I just played a blues show for a facility of Alzheimer and dementia
patients today. They had an amazing ability to appear as if they were
reacting.  Of course some were some of the time, but especially in
conversation the surface veneer of behavioral rapport fell apart. This
computer generated face reminded me so much of the vacuous appearance
of rapport they gave me.

Interestingly music is one of the first cerebral skills we gain and
last to go so I was able to  connect with them musically.  At least I
think I did!  It was all very challenging and confusing for me to
perform for them.  I've performed for autistic kids and other kids who
go to special facilities because they can't be educated in the school
system.  There were some similarities when I went into the audience
with my instruments to connect personally. 

The whole experience left me with a lot of questions about what it
means to be human.  I like your idea of the story.   That was one of
the things that was missing.

I guess the CGI chick is a first stage of something interesting.  But
I agree that right now the creepy factor is too high.  I did find that
if you hold down the control key and type out the letters HEAD she
will appear to give you oral.  It only took me about 4 hours to figure
out that trick but it was well worth it. 




 
 Mythos and Logos
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
 
  http://cubo.cc/
 
  Move your mouse around to see her move.
 
  This was created by CGI -- not a real girl.
 
  Here's the question:  what's missing that is needed to make the
  creepiness go away?
 
  A soul?
 
  Edg
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Guru Dev Photo

[off_world_beings]

He looks like Beelzebub.

OffWorld


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of nsm108
 Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:04 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Guru Dev Photo
 
  
 
 --- In HYPERLINK
 mailto:FairfieldLife%
40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick
 Archer rick@ wrote:
 
 Rick, I can't access this photo. Have you posted it in the photo 
 section?
 
  HYPERLINK
 http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/e93e?
b=20http:/
 /ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/e93e?b=20
  
 yes. if that link doesn't work, although it does for me, it's #20 
in the
 Gurus/Guru Dev section.
 
  
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Beautiful, sweet, innocent -- but a creepy zombie nonetheless.

[curtisdeltablues]

If the War Monger or the Young Woman Predator or the Atheists who
tossout spirituality with religion's bathwater, would just stop
regularly glorifying in their malignancies, I wouldn't be posting my
vitriol.

This shows such a lack of awareness of the people you are referring to
Edg.  Really lowbrow lack of insight.  I think you can do better.

BTW I'll see you at the religious rite for Zeus tonight right?  It is
the holiest day of the Zeus year and anyone who fails to attend will
be disrespecting God in his truest form.  You aren't going to tell me
that you view Zeus as a myth are you now Edg and expose your atheistic
heart concerning the only real god?  

Spirituality.  That word and $40 dollars will get ya blown in
Atlantic City.  Include the word God and another $40 and she'll take
you all the way around the world. Those are such powerful words.









--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Angela,
 
 Thanks for the wisdom.  I felt it.
 
 I suppose we should all talk about what is allowed when it comes to
 poetic flourishes.
 
 When I wrote up the concept of Bush being tortured, please
 understand that I fully knew that I was, well, being Bushy myself if I
 really meant the words, and further, that I knew I didn't have the
 omniscience to know how Bush should be punished -- or rewarded -- for
 his actions, and also that I well understand how words can fly at
 ground level under folks' radars and suddenly there they are with 
 yucky stuff in their minds that are then subject to an unwanted
 cascade of untoward emotions, imagery, and concepts.
 
 I'm a writer -- writers know that Robert Frost said that one was only
 allowed the use of the word love three times when one takes up the
 job of writer, and so, I say, Well, I got to be creative in how I
 express a concept that's been bandied in 30 posts already.  It costs
 me a lot of time to come up with something that's all mine, and,
 sorry, but it's fun for me to see if I can actually come up with yet
 another way to express disgust for war, predation and racism.
 
 If I'm kidding myself when I think I'm being merely ordinarily
 enraged just as any decent person would be, then tell me so -- if
 anyone here can, you can.  But right now, I only have to have in my
 mind one image of carnage to know that I have never written any words
 that cause even as much discomfort as a paper cut.  Yet when the
 carnage is DAILY there in the headlines, and we're just, you know,
 counting angels on pinheads, it grinds me hard that no voice here
 decries the war mongering even if it's by a person who in all
 likelihood is kookoonuts.
 
 I sometimes think I'm the only sighted person here.  Don't images --
 whether seen in words or photos, doesn't matter -- get entered into by
 you folks out there?
 
 I know the hearts here enough to say that even the War Monger would
 screech his car to a halt if he saw a toddler walking along a highway
 without an adult nearby, but when that same person can espouse
 genocide with a bigass smirk, I cannot see how this happens.  I
 understand racism and cruelty, but to have a mind so able to
 compartmentalize and disconnect carnage-on-babies seems sociopathic at
 the least.  
 
 When I see so little resonance here with my excoriation of abusive
 immoralists, I feel like, hey, someone's gotta say sumptin' and if it
 ain't me, who's it gunna be?
 
 If the War Monger or the Young Woman Predator or the Atheists who toss
 out spirituality with religion's bathwater, would just stop regularly
 glorifying in their malignancies, I wouldn't be posting my vitriol.
 
 I am not harping here about TONS of issues that should be harped about
 -- merely because there's no one posting here who's stupid or immoral
 or evil enough to support those issues. If there was a pedophile
 posting here, why, I wouldn't have to write a single word cuz there'd
 be such a flurry of attacks upon the creep.
 
 As Christ said, The poor you will always have.  So, yeah, let's make
 merry and ignore that tomorrow another 50 Arabs will not be able to
 ever make merry again.  As Clint Eastwood said, When you kill a man,
 you not only take everything he owns, but all the things he could ever
 own.
 
 Sorry, but mood making myself into a positive emotion, seems sick in
 the face of the daily news.  
 
 To me, every toddler in the Middle East is my own child standing on a
 major highway in the dark, in the rain, in abject terror.  Even if I
 know the next car behind me is going to stop, I cannot help myself
 from stopping first.  
 
 I'm trying to help stop the tolling of the world's bells, for thee, ya
 know?
 
 Well, okay, it's for me, but thee gets the benefit too, eh?
 
 Edg
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
 mailander111@ wrote:
 
  Dearest Edg,
  I know your letter was addressed to Stu, and you know
  I don't dislike you, but I thought I'd respond anyway.
  
  I totally sympathize with your rants about the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: where are vedic city pundits?

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Apr 1, 2008, at 12:02 PM, boo_lives wrote:
 
  Raja Wynne recently said how happy he was to be back in vedic city
  with the 621 pundits.  I recently drove through the pundit camp  
  there and didn't see any pundits at all outside.  It's possible  
  they were all inside but it was a nice sunny afternoon so I 
doubt  
  it.  The whole compound, which looks like a concentration camp,  
  seemed deserted actually.
 
  Maybe someone else from ffld could drive out there and see what 
they
  can find???  Did they move the pundits out of the vedic city  
  trailers which FEMA has now admitted are too toxic to live in 
and  
  are buying back?
 
 They're too toxic?  Hadn't heard any of that.  I'll try to take a  
 ride out there tomorrow and see if I can sight any intelligent 
life  
 out there, my own excepted of course. :)

They live underground in a giant underground compund that spans the 
whole of Jefferson county. There they convene with the Hadesians, 
Balrogs, Morlocks, and a giant UFO sneaks in the back door once a 
week, shuttling yogis and pundits back and fourth to the Andromeda 
Galaxy.

OffWorld




 Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

[off_world_beings]

If Heaven on Earth depends on 10,000 in one place always on the 
program, then LOL, get real peopleain't never going to happen. 
Only Mao Tze Tung could have made it happen, and those days are over 
for the world (which ironically could be considered a sign of AoE, 
except that BushTurd is still sliming around.) 

No worries, its just the third rock from the sun. Not very important 
reallyeven in its own small back-water sector of the universe.

OffWorld



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The numbers.  I got introduced to someone who had lunch with Howard 
 Settle last week.  Howard is wondering, why are there so few 
 Fairfield meditators in the domes?  
 
 What would you tell Howard about this?
 
 I told the person to tell Howard that he ought to come up here and 
 have coffee off-campus with folks in town (Fairfield -not Vedic 
City) 
 to find out the answer. -D
 
 
 Om, their grand experiment... What could they possibly do to get the
 numbers they need for their utopia? People seem to be staying
 outside or not coming back in. What could they do to change that
 direction?
 
 Jai Guru Dev,
 
 -Doug in FF
 
 163190
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  Om, their grand experiment...  What could they possibly do to get 
 the 
  numbers they need for their utopia?  People seem to be staying 
  outside or not coming back in.  What could they do to change that 
  direction?
  
  Jai Guru Dev,
  
  -Doug in FF
  
  163190
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
  
   From: David Orme-Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 12:08 PM
   To: David Orme-Johnson
   Subject: Rationale for the Maharishi Effect
   

   
   Dear Colleagues,
   

   
   The rationale for the Maharishi Effect, which holds that we 
exist 
  in a field
   of consciousness through which everyone is connected, is a very 
 old 
  idea
   with a high pedigree. Even more exciting is that the modern 
seers 
  who know
   natural law the best, the greatest physicists of our time, have 
  been lead by
   their discoveries to the realization that consciousness is the 
 most
   fundamental level of natural law. 
   

   
   I just added a rationale section to TruthAboutTM.com, snappily 
  entitled
   HYPERLINK
   http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/SocietalEffects/Rationale-
  Research/index.
   cfm#rationaleSome Conceptual Precedents for a Field Theoretic 
 View 
  of
   Consciousness from the Perennial Philosophy, Social Sciences, 
and 
  Quantum
   Physics.
   

   
   You can go to the link above to view the whole thing, and/or 
here 
  are some
   excerpts. 
   

   
   Perennial Philosophy. The suggestion that individuals interact 
  directly at a
   distance through an underlying common field of consciousness 
has 
 a 
  long
   history. Indeed, it is embedded in the perennial philosophy, 
 the 
  term
   Aldous Huxley (1945) first applied to the universal system of 
  thought that
   has persisted throughout history in all parts of the world and 
 which
   continues to be seriously discussed by major thinkers, as 
  documented by
   Sheer (1994). The key tenets of the perennial philosophy can be 
  stated as:
   (1) the phenomenal world is a manifestation of an unmanifest 
  transcendental
   ground, a field of consciousness or Being, which is the 
infinite 
  organizing
   power structuring all forms and phenomena in the universe; (2) 
 the 
  human
   mind also has a transcendental ground, which is the silent 
level 
 of
   transcendental consciousness at the basis of all thought and 
  perception; (3)
   transcendental consciousness is the direct experience by the 
  individual of
   the transcendental ground of the universe; and (4), this 
 experience
   organizes individual and collective life to be fully 
 evolutionary, 
  creative,
   harmonious, and problem-free. From this perspective, the key to 
  creating an
   ideal society is a technology that promotes transcending from 
the 
  waking
   state mind to experience transcendental consciousness 
(Maharishi, 
  1977). The
   physiological correlates of transcendental consciousness 
through 
  Maharishi's
   Transcendental Meditation technique have been extensively 
studied 
  (e.g.,
   Wallace, 1970; Travis  Pearson, 1999; Travis, Tecce, 
Arenander, 
  
  Wallace,
   2002).
   

   
   The transcendental ground of the universe is conceived of in 
 terms 
  of a God
   concept in many cultures. In others, like Taoism and Vedanta, 
it 
 is 
  simply
   regarded as an abstract field of pure consciousness.
   

   
   Social Sciences. Concepts of collective consciousness have been 
  proposed by
   some of the founders of the social sciences, such as Fechner's
   transcendental basis of perception, Durkheim's conscience 
  collective, and
   Jung's collective unconscious. 
   

   
   Gustav 

[FairfieldLife] Beelzebub

[off_world_beings]

Cardmeister might know the answer.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Tru-believers?

[lurkernomore20002000]

 sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 well, I trusted my spiritual life to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the 
 biggest TM-TB'er of them all...so does that answer your question?

This is so moving, (sniffle, sniffle). The Roman centurian stands 
boldly, thrusts his spear into the ground, and STATES HIS BELIEF.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Tru-believers?

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote:
 
  well, I trusted my spiritual life to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the 
  biggest TM-TB'er of them all...so does that answer your question?
 
 This is so moving, (sniffle, sniffle). The Roman centurian stands 
 boldly, thrusts his spear into the ground, and STATES HIS BELIEF.

John Wayne did it better though.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The numbers.  I got introduced to someone who had lunch with Howard 
 Settle last week.  Howard is wondering, why are there so few 
 Fairfield meditators in the domes?  
 
 What would you tell Howard about this?
 

***

Since paying dome fees is now entirely voluntary, that can't be an 
obstacle, but many people got used to not going to the dome when the 
monthly fees were a problem. Many people also prefer to meditate in 
the comfort of their Sthapathya Ved homes, and even those whose homes 
are not OK in vastu probably feel it's less of a hassle just to 
meditate at home, especially in the morning. There is also the 
substantial problem of work schedules -- people on campus have work 
schedules that work around dome times, but people in town have 
different commitments. Also, for people with kids, child care can be 
very expensive.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Tru-believers?

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote:
 
  well, I trusted my spiritual life to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the 
  biggest TM-TB'er of them all...so does that answer your question?
 
 This is so moving, (sniffle, sniffle). The Roman centurian stands 
 boldly, thrusts his spear into the ground, and STATES HIS BELIEF.

lol- funny-- nah, just finding a new and ironic definition for TM 
TB'er. hey is my spear really appearing that long to you? good to 
hear from you...you say some funny shit sometimes.

[FairfieldLife] Purusha Uttarkashi Addresses

[Rick Archer]

There are two facilities:

 

Maharishi Ashram Kunsi

New Barsali

Uttar Kashi 249193, Uttara Khand

India

 

and

 

Maharishi Ashram Gajoli

P.O. Box Kaldiyani, UttarKashi

Uttaranchal 249193

INDIA

 


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