[FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazing to me that people blame someone else when they lack moral character. It must be the movement's fault that I didn't keep my promise. Somehow this justifies my lack of ethics. It's a broad excuse to justify anything and everything. Just look at what you wrote, I don't believe that the TMO should get away scot-free, so therefore YOU are going to be the one chosen to deliver whatever you deem fair recompense for (again broad undescribable term)the TMO. Anything goes right? Maybe there could be some level of honor and still maintain a discussion without lowering yourself to breaking of legal contracts that you signed. Ok, time to call bullshit. There is one and *only* one reason for the secrecy agreements that you and anyone else here had to sign -- protection of corporate secrets and profit. Protecting the purity of the teaching has nothing to do with it. Some of my advanced techniques were taught to me directly by Maharishi in a grand total of 30 seconds -- no puja, no nothing...just pay your money (the important part, from his POV), stand in line, and have him whisper a word that *he* stole from open source religion into your ear. Maharishi neither invented any of this nor deserves sole credit or sole profits from it. He took open source spiritual software and threw a trademark on it for Westerners who were too clueless to realize that it was open source software. And then he tried to bully those who had paid for the stuff he got for free and resold for a profit into keeping quiet about the nature of what they'd paid for. And bullying it was, and is. Legal contract my ass. Whatever the contract, it's not legal unless you get a copy of it. Do you have your copy? Right. Neither do I. Neither does anyone else. The contract was and still is a quasi- legal bluff. Towards the end of my time in the TMO, no one could even *find* the worthless pieces of paper signed by millions of TMers; they had been placed in boxes in some storage facility somewhere, and literally *no one* in the U.S. National movement at that time could remember or figure out where they were. They dropped several potential trademark infringe- ment lawsuits for exactly this reason. So don't pull this attempted guilt trip on US, asshole. We had enough of it from Maharishi himself, for far too many years, and we're not about to stand for it from some putz who still wants to play I'm more moral than you games. Some of us *like* being whistleblowers. We are *proud* to stand up and tell it like it really was, so that it isn't able to *continue* being what it was. If you want to hold on to your cherished illusions of what it was, so be it. But don't you *dare* come roaring in here trying to make people who now value truth over falsity feel bad about doing so.
[FairfieldLife] The L-word
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just sour grapes. Quite absurd actually. Hillary lost under the same constraints as Obama. Hillary also shot herself in the foot over and over again and revealed her true selfish character as she is doing now by refusing to concede the race to Obama. A profoundly selfish woman who doesn't give a shit about the Democratic party, but only HERSELF. Hillary's stance is all about one word. It has been dogging her since college, and all the way through her political life. She has been unable to ever put that word *into* words and apply it to herself, even when it fits. She lives in a world of illusion, in which What Hillary wants is all-important and nothing else matters, even the fate of her political party and her country. She's more than willing to flush both down the toilet rather than speaking the word and applying it to herself. Time to name names and stop pussy-footing around the issue. The L-word that Hillary is afraid to apply to herself is finally, and blessedly, obvious to everyone around her, and everyone in the nation. Loser.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:45 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: 44. What is meant by restraint in the centre of the brow? The left and right in the central channel. Seems like the translator doesn't know Sanskrit syntax very well. The last word of that suutra is a compound word: savyaapasavyasauSumneSu (savya-apasavya-sauSumneSu). Actually Mike is fluent in Sanskrit, although I never really liked his translation of the SS. Have you got any favourite translation of the above suutra?
[FairfieldLife] TM'ing Algerian artist!
http://www.vimeo.com/1041351?pg=embedsec=1041351 Must say I'm not a great fan of that kind of art...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of m2smart4u2000 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:02 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Which ones have I broken? Confidentiality of the techniques. You are the moderator of this website so you can delete things that break that promise. I am sure you promised not to reveal the techniques and that you accepted that you were not guaranteed that you would be satisfied with the results of them. Even if you divorce yourself from someone,you don't go speak all their secrets. I have seen, in the past that you are careful to not reveal names of people who you have suggested had inappropriate relations, and yet you allow the techniques that you promised to protect to be discussed in full. Your point is not without merit. I do feel a bit squeamish when people start revealing mantras and techniques. I have occasionally deleted posts when something was said that left a permanent record on the net embarrassing someone. For instance, there was a fellow in town who had some mental problems and there were some posts about him here which his mother didn't want him to find. So she asked me to delete them and I did. I also have to contact the webmaster of a mirror site and have him delete stuff, which is an imposition. But if I agreed to delete everything which the TMO didn't want posted, it would be a full-time job. That info about the mantras and techniques is posted elsewhere on the web, in numerous places, so having it on FFL is merely redundant. I want to maintain freedom of speech here, and that means that very few things are going to qualify for censorship. I understand your desire for freedom of speech but the limit comes with your responsibility to the promises you made and the intention of this website. Alot of the stuff I don't really care about, people vent,have different opinions about ayurveda, chopra, stapatya veda etc. If those opinions bothered me, I wouldn't read the messages here.Allowing posting of the details of techniques makes you squeamish for a reason. Listen to your gut reaction and keep the promises you agreed to. I realize that that imformation is available on certain other sights, however the point of those sites is extremely anti TM. They want to completely destroy the movement and the revelations are intentionally to hurt. That is not the object of this website. And just who are you to tell us what the purpose of this site is? I think you need to examine where your need to control a bunch of free-thinking people you've never met actually comes from.This isn't a TM approved site, quite the opposite actually, and you are out of favour with them just for reading this. Most people on here respect each others views but obviously mantras come up, so what? It's not going to kill you and it doesn't do any damage to the TMO so what's the big deal? If you fear that reading your mantra will remove it's power, relax it's just the TM conditioning taking over. Vaj explained what mine meant and it still worked, though I was anxious that I knew as suddenly it wasn't a meaningless word anymore, shock horror! Fascinating to think my mind has been manipulated to feel guilt about things like that without my being aware of it. BTW I apologised for printing my mantra because I don't like offending peoples sensibilities, but does it bother me? No, if it does you, I think you must be in the wrong place. Or maybe if you stick around and think about it you will end up with a healthier way of looking at things. I think Listen to your gut reaction sounds suspiciously like guilt manipulation. Religions are rather good at this, because why would Rick feel squeemish unless he has a guilty conscience and the only place he would have got that is by being controlled by the TMO, being trained to think in a certain way about a bunch of freely available words that are apparently our birth-right (for a fee and your signature on the correct legal document of course). Guilt is powerful stuff and so good for controlling people. So give Rick a break he's doing just fine with this place.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics - Karmic implications
Maybe this is common knowledge but I recently came across a statement in a TMO website (I'd have to find it again..) that warned people not to teach TM outside the organization because doing so karmically binds the teacher to the student until the latter reaches enlightenment; whereas the promise of enlightenment and responsibility to fulfil this promise is shouldered by the TMO if the technique is taught on behalf of the organization. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of m2smart4u2000 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 2:48 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Promises and Ethics Does it matter whether or not you belive Marharishi did this thing or that? Does some accusation on your part, invalidate your word? Rick, you were on Maharishi's team for a long time. You sound a little like MacLellan. A little late to complain about Maharishi's actions. You were an adult at the time no? Why don't you delete those posts? Where is your level of responsibility? Where are your ethical standards? The only person you can control is yourself, so the responsibilty to do the right things lies with you. I admire what McLellan did. Better late than never. When I was in the TMO, I wasn't aware of a lot of the stuff that was going on. Had I been, I probably would have left sooner. Having said that, I still appreciate tremendously the good TM has done me and others. But nonetheless, I don't believe that the TMO should get away scot-free with some of the shit it has pulled. I Amazing to me that people blame someone else when they lack moral character. It must be the movement's fault that I didn't keep my promise. Somehow this justifies my lack of ethics. It's a broad excuse to justify anything and everything. Just look at what you wrote, I don't believe that the TMO should get away scot-free, so therefore YOU are going to be the one chosen to deliver whatever you deem fair recompense for (again broad undescribable term)the TMO. Anything goes right? Maybe there could be some level of honor and still maintain a discussion without lowering yourself to breaking of legal contracts that you signed. It is my understanding that the following 'promise' which TM initiators were asked to sign, is not a legal document. The fact that no copy was issued to the initiator further makes it legally non- binding. As far as I know the TMO hasn't hesitated in the past to seek legal redress in legitimate cases, but I've never heard of any such cases with regard to claimed violations of this particular 'promise'. Further, it is my view that the TMO under Maharishi became a corrupt organization - and because of that, any 'promises' made to Maharishi and his organization in terms of that agreement were rendered to be meaningless. TO HIS HOLINESS MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI It is my privilege, Maharishi, to promise to teach the Principles and Practice of Transcendental Meditation only as a teacher-employee of [IMS, SIMS, SRM, or other TM movement front group]___ which accepts me as such; that I will always hold the teaching in trust for you, dear Maharishi, and [IMS, SIMS, etc.]__; that I will never use the teaching except as a teacher in [IMS, SIMS, etc.]___ or other organisations founded by you for the purpose of carrying on your work of spreading Transcendental Meditation for the good of Mankind; that as a teacher in [IMS, SIMS, etc.] _ I shall receive such compensation as shall be agreed between myself and [IMS, SIMS, etc.]__ in writing and, except as agreed in writing I expect to receive no monetary compensation but am fully compensated by the love and joy that I receive from the work, by the alleviation of suffering that I may accomplish, and by the Wisdom that I obtain, expound, and cherish. In furtherance of the pledge I acknowledge that prior to receiving the training I had no prior knowledge of such system of Teaching; that there is no other available source where the knowledge of such teaching may be obtained; that such training is secret and unique. I am a link in the chain of organisations that you have founded; and that to retain the purity of the teaching and movement, you have laid down the wise rule that, should I ever cease to teach in [IMS, SIMS, etc.]__ or other organisations founded by you for the purpose of teaching Transcendental Meditation, I may be restrained by appropriate process from using this secret Teaching of Transcendental Meditation imparted to me. It is my fortune, Guru Dev [the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics - Karmic implications
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe this is common knowledge but I recently came across a statement in a TMO website (I'd have to find it again..) that warned people not to teach TM outside the organization because doing so karmically binds the teacher to the student until the latter reaches enlightenment; whereas the promise of enlightenment and responsibility to fulfil this promise is shouldered by the TMO if the technique is taught on behalf of the organization. This has been discussed here earlier. I think that the general consensus at the time was that in order to make this true, it would require a full-time staff of gods, goddesses, and Karma Enforcement devas to police this activity and make sure that the karma for initiating the person and leaving him/her in a state of ignorance is delivered to the right party. This can be seen as overly taxing on the Micromanagement Division of the Department of Redundancy Dept. of the already-overworked Laws Of Nature. An alternative explanation is that this rap is just bullshit to convince the gullible that the TMO *takes* any responsibility for leaving its initiates in a state of ignorance. On the other hand, given the large number of TM practitioners who have either died already in ignorance or have walked away from the TMO in disgust, it would be nice to think that there really IS a mechanism out there to deliver to the TMO the karma it deserves. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of m2smart4u2000 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 2:48 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Promises and Ethics Does it matter whether or not you belive Marharishi did this thing or that? Does some accusation on your part, invalidate your word? Rick, you were on Maharishi's team for a long time. You sound a little like MacLellan. A little late to complain about Maharishi's actions. You were an adult at the time no? Why don't you delete those posts? Where is your level of responsibility? Where are your ethical standards? The only person you can control is yourself, so the responsibilty to do the right things lies with you. I admire what McLellan did. Better late than never. When I was in the TMO, I wasn't aware of a lot of the stuff that was going on. Had I been, I probably would have left sooner. Having said that, I still appreciate tremendously the good TM has done me and others. But nonetheless, I don't believe that the TMO should get away scot-free with some of the shit it has pulled. I Amazing to me that people blame someone else when they lack moral character. It must be the movement's fault that I didn't keep my promise. Somehow this justifies my lack of ethics. It's a broad excuse to justify anything and everything. Just look at what you wrote, I don't believe that the TMO should get away scot-free, so therefore YOU are going to be the one chosen to deliver whatever you deem fair recompense for (again broad undescribable term)the TMO. Anything goes right? Maybe there could be some level of honor and still maintain a discussion without lowering yourself to breaking of legal contracts that you signed. It is my understanding that the following 'promise' which TM initiators were asked to sign, is not a legal document. The fact that no copy was issued to the initiator further makes it legally non- binding. As far as I know the TMO hasn't hesitated in the past to seek legal redress in legitimate cases, but I've never heard of any such cases with regard to claimed violations of this particular 'promise'. Further, it is my view that the TMO under Maharishi became a corrupt organization - and because of that, any 'promises' made to Maharishi and his organization in terms of that agreement were rendered to be meaningless. TO HIS HOLINESS MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI It is my privilege, Maharishi, to promise to teach the Principles and Practice of Transcendental Meditation only as a teacher-employee of [IMS, SIMS, SRM, or other TM movement front group]___ which accepts me as such; that I will always hold the teaching in trust for you, dear Maharishi, and [IMS, SIMS, etc.]__; that I will never use the teaching except as a teacher in [IMS, SIMS, etc.]___ or other organisations founded by you for the purpose of carrying on your work of spreading Transcendental Meditation for the good of Mankind; that as a teacher in [IMS, SIMS, etc.] _ I shall receive such
[FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics - Karmic implications
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe this is common knowledge but I recently came across a statement in a TMO website (I'd have to find it again..) that warned people not to teach TM outside the organization because doing so karmically binds the teacher to the student until the latter reaches enlightenment; whereas the promise of enlightenment and responsibility to fulfil this promise is shouldered by the TMO if the technique is taught on behalf of the organization. They really are on the offensive about indie TM teachers in the UK, because there are so many of them and they teach for so little. The fact they don't have to put up with controlling crap like this is probably a blessing for them. I can see a few court cases for copyright infringement coming up too, how spiritual! You'd have thought they would be happy that people were learning to meditate but no, the money has to go to the right people. Some of the people who left were the most popular course leaders you see and they took their flock with them. Serves the TMO right for all the Scorpion bullshit, God what a load of crap that was, one of the dumbest things I ever heard anybody say. Other things that the TMO says about rogue teachers (their expression) is that they experiment with the mantras. I know an indie teacher and he says it's rubbish, they do it by the book and the people taught have exactly the same experiences as people taught by the org. A funny thing one indie I know says is that it's so refreshing running courses outside the TMO because you get genuine spiritual seekers having a great time rather than people moaning about movement politics etc. Perhaps we should envy them for learning in a non-TMO environment. Unless the person who taught them can't carry their karma and they all die or whatever happens. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of m2smart4u2000 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 2:48 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Promises and Ethics Does it matter whether or not you belive Marharishi did this thing or that? Does some accusation on your part, invalidate your word? Rick, you were on Maharishi's team for a long time. You sound a little like MacLellan. A little late to complain about Maharishi's actions. You were an adult at the time no? Why don't you delete those posts? Where is your level of responsibility? Where are your ethical standards? The only person you can control is yourself, so the responsibilty to do the right things lies with you. I admire what McLellan did. Better late than never. When I was in the TMO, I wasn't aware of a lot of the stuff that was going on. Had I been, I probably would have left sooner. Having said that, I still appreciate tremendously the good TM has done me and others. But nonetheless, I don't believe that the TMO should get away scot-free with some of the shit it has pulled. I Amazing to me that people blame someone else when they lack moral character. It must be the movement's fault that I didn't keep my promise. Somehow this justifies my lack of ethics. It's a broad excuse to justify anything and everything. Just look at what you wrote, I don't believe that the TMO should get away scot- free, so therefore YOU are going to be the one chosen to deliver whatever you deem fair recompense for (again broad undescribable term)the TMO. Anything goes right? Maybe there could be some level of honor and still maintain a discussion without lowering yourself to breaking of legal contracts that you signed. It is my understanding that the following 'promise' which TM initiators were asked to sign, is not a legal document. The fact that no copy was issued to the initiator further makes it legally non- binding. As far as I know the TMO hasn't hesitated in the past to seek legal redress in legitimate cases, but I've never heard of any such cases with regard to claimed violations of this particular 'promise'. Further, it is my view that the TMO under Maharishi became a corrupt organization - and because of that, any 'promises' made to Maharishi and his organization in terms of that agreement were rendered to be meaningless. TO HIS HOLINESS MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI It is my privilege, Maharishi, to promise to teach the Principles and Practice of Transcendental Meditation only as a teacher-employee of [IMS, SIMS, SRM, or other TM movement front group]___ which accepts me as such; that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras
On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:04 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:45 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: 44. What is meant by restraint in the centre of the brow? The left and right in the central channel. Seems like the translator doesn't know Sanskrit syntax very well. The last word of that suutra is a compound word: savyaapasavyasauSumneSu (savya-apasavya-sauSumneSu). Actually Mike is fluent in Sanskrit, although I never really liked his translation of the SS. Have you got any favourite translation of the above suutra? Shiva Sutras: The Supreme Awakening by Swami Lakshmanjoo He was the last living acharya of that tradition.
Re: [FairfieldLife] typical Neo-Advaitin nonsense from U.G. Krishnamurti
Doesn't sound very neo-advaitin to me! Also, why is it nonsense? He's talking about living and reacting out of concept rather than experience. --- yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from a website: (U.G. Krishnamuri believed that thought is the enemy). A: As I said the last time, this separateness from the totality of things around us, and the idea that the whole thing is created for our benefit and that we are created for a grander and nobler purpose than all the other species on this, planet, are the causes of this destruction. This powerful use of thought is what is destructive. Thought is a self-protective mechanism. So anything that is born out of thought is destructive -- whether it is religious thought or scientific thought or political thought -- all of them are destructive. But we are not ready to accept that it is thought that is our enemy. We don't know how to function in this world without the use of thought. You can invent all kinds of things and try to free yourself from this stranglehold of thought, but there is no way we can accept the fact that that is not the instrument to help us to function sanely and intelligently in this world. Thought is a self- perpetuating mechanism. It controls, moulds, shapes our ideas and actions. Idea and action -- they are one and the same. All our actions are born out of ideas. Our ideas are thoughts passed on to us from generation to generation. Thought is not the instrument to help us to live in harmony with the life around us. That is why you create all these ecological problems, problems of pollution, and the problem of possibly destroying ourselves with the most destructive weapons that we have invented. So, there is no way out. You may say that I am a pessimist, that I am a cynic, or that I am this, that, and the other. But I hope one day we will realize that the mistakes we have made will destroy everything. The planet is not in danger. We are in danger To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pranava Veda
Same name, different text. On Jun 6, 2008, at 12:23 AM, yifuxero wrote: --(more ascended Master stuff from the Theosophists - so much for the 10,000 year old Scripture).: from Wiki: The Pranava-Vada of Gargyayana (pranava-vâda is the Sanskrit for uttering of Pranava (AUM)) is a book by Bhagavan Das, published in three volumes in years 1910-1913 by the Theosophical Society, Adyar with notes by Annie Besant. Das alleges that the work is a summarised translation of an otherwise unknown ancient text by a sage called Gargyayana. Das states that the text was dictated to him from memory by one Pandit Dhanaraja, a theosophist friend of his who was blind in both eyes and had died before the book's publication.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics
Interesting advanced technique story: a TM teacher I know had gotten his 2nd or 3rd technique directly from MMY. When he went to get his next advanced tech from Lillian (remember her?) and they had just finished the puja, she asked him his current technique in preparation for giving him the next. When he told her his current technique, she blew up, into a huge rage you could hear throughout the center. She screamed that he could not possibly have that technique since it was a more advanced one than she was about to give! He tried to explain that this was what MMY had given to him. She continued to scream and shriek and the teacher ran out of the room, down the stairs and out the center door, totally freaked out and angry. I believe the coordinators (who were pretty upset themselves at her behavior but did not have the courage to confront her), after he called and requested it, agreed to tear up his payment check. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 no_reply@ wrote: Amazing to me that people blame someone else when they lack moral character. It must be the movement's fault that I didn't keep my promise. Somehow this justifies my lack of ethics. It's a broad excuse to justify anything and everything. Just look at what you wrote, I don't believe that the TMO should get away scot-free, so therefore YOU are going to be the one chosen to deliver whatever you deem fair recompense for (again broad undescribable term)the TMO. Anything goes right? Maybe there could be some level of honor and still maintain a discussion without lowering yourself to breaking of legal contracts that you signed. Ok, time to call bullshit. There is one and *only* one reason for the secrecy agreements that you and anyone else here had to sign -- protection of corporate secrets and profit. Protecting the purity of the teaching has nothing to do with it. Some of my advanced techniques were taught to me directly by Maharishi in a grand total of 30 seconds -- no puja, no nothing...just pay your money (the important part, from his POV), stand in line, and have him whisper a word that *he* stole from open source religion into your ear. Maharishi neither invented any of this nor deserves sole credit or sole profits from it. He took open source spiritual software and threw a trademark on it for Westerners who were too clueless to realize that it was open source software. And then he tried to bully those who had paid for the stuff he got for free and resold for a profit into keeping quiet about the nature of what they'd paid for. And bullying it was, and is. Legal contract my ass. Whatever the contract, it's not legal unless you get a copy of it. Do you have your copy? Right. Neither do I. Neither does anyone else. The contract was and still is a quasi- legal bluff. Towards the end of my time in the TMO, no one could even *find* the worthless pieces of paper signed by millions of TMers; they had been placed in boxes in some storage facility somewhere, and literally *no one* in the U.S. National movement at that time could remember or figure out where they were. They dropped several potential trademark infringe- ment lawsuits for exactly this reason. So don't pull this attempted guilt trip on US, asshole. We had enough of it from Maharishi himself, for far too many years, and we're not about to stand for it from some putz who still wants to play I'm more moral than you games. Some of us *like* being whistleblowers. We are *proud* to stand up and tell it like it really was, so that it isn't able to *continue* being what it was. If you want to hold on to your cherished illusions of what it was, so be it. But don't you *dare* come roaring in here trying to make people who now value truth over falsity feel bad about doing so.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics
I agree with Peter here. I promised that I wouldn't reveal details of the TM teaching process, and I never would. It's a matter of integrity, of keeping one's word. You could waterboard me and I wouldn't tell. (Well, maybe I might, but I would say that my mantra is ka-ching). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My attitude is that I made a promise not to reveal certain things and I won't regardless of what the other person does regarding that promise. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand your desire for freedom of speech but the limit comes with your responsibility to the promises you made and the intention of this website. No teacher promised to suppress this information expressed by others. Exposing details of the practice has nothing to do with the movement destroying itself. IMO the attitude that information must be suppressed is a much bigger threat to the movement than someone talking about their advanced technique. Everybody has their own relationship with promises made it the past and sometimes people feel that the integrity of those promises was broken by the movement. Expecting someone who no longer values the movement to abide by promises made when they were in it seems so unrealistic. It can be very liberating to discuss secrets openly. I think it is polite to include a spoiler alert for people who don't want to read such posts but deleting posts is a dark path IMO. Stay true to your beliefs about such things. But leave people alone who don't share your values. There are way too many POVs being expressed here to have any deletion policy be fair and unbiased. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of m2smart4u2000 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:02 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Which ones have I broken? Confidentiality of the techniques. You are the moderator of this website so you can delete things that break that promise. I am sure you promised not to reveal the techniques and that you accepted that you were not guaranteed that you would be satisfied with the results of them. Even if you divorce yourself from someone,you don't go speak all their secrets. I have seen, in the past that you are careful to not reveal names of people who you have suggested had inappropriate relations, and yet you allow the techniques that you promised to protect to be discussed in full. Your point is not without merit. I do feel a bit squeamish when people start revealing mantras and techniques. I have occasionally deleted posts when something was said that left a permanent record on the net embarrassing someone. For instance, there was a fellow in town who had some mental problems and there were some posts about him here which his mother didn't want him to find. So she asked me to delete them and I did. I also have to contact the webmaster of a mirror site and have him delete stuff, which is an imposition. But if I agreed to delete everything which the TMO didn't want posted, it would be a full-time job. That info about the mantras and techniques is posted elsewhere on the web, in numerous places, so having it on FFL is merely redundant. I want to maintain freedom of speech here, and that means that very few things are going to qualify for censorship. I understand your desire for freedom of speech but the limit comes with your responsibility to the promises you made and the intention of this website. Alot of the stuff I don't really care about, people vent,have different opinions about ayurveda, chopra, stapatya veda etc. If those opinions bothered me, I wouldn't read the messages here.Allowing posting of the details of techniques makes you squeamish for a reason. Listen to your gut reaction and keep the promises you agreed to. I realize that that imformation is available on certain other sights, however the point of those sites is extremely anti TM. They want to completely destroy the movement and the revelations are intentionally to hurt. That is not the object of this website. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click
[FairfieldLife] Levitation is being figured out by scientists in Great Britain
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1559579/Physicists-have-%27solved%27- mystery-of-levitation.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Levitation is being figured out by scientists in Great Britain
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics
Waterboarding I could resist, but if someone put women's panties on my head, that'd be it. I'd sing like a canary. --- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Peter here. I promised that I wouldn't reveal details of the TM teaching process, and I never would. It's a matter of integrity, of keeping one's word. You could waterboard me and I wouldn't tell. (Well, maybe I might, but I would say that my mantra is ka-ching). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My attitude is that I made a promise not to reveal certain things and I won't regardless of what the other person does regarding that promise. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand your desire for freedom of speech but the limit comes with your responsibility to the promises you made and the intention of this website. No teacher promised to suppress this information expressed by others. Exposing details of the practice has nothing to do with the movement destroying itself. IMO the attitude that information must be suppressed is a much bigger threat to the movement than someone talking about their advanced technique. Everybody has their own relationship with promises made it the past and sometimes people feel that the integrity of those promises was broken by the movement. Expecting someone who no longer values the movement to abide by promises made when they were in it seems so unrealistic. It can be very liberating to discuss secrets openly. I think it is polite to include a spoiler alert for people who don't want to read such posts but deleting posts is a dark path IMO. Stay true to your beliefs about such things. But leave people alone who don't share your values. There are way too many POVs being expressed here to have any deletion policy be fair and unbiased. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of m2smart4u2000 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:02 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Which ones have I broken? Confidentiality of the techniques. You are the moderator of this website so you can delete things that break that promise. I am sure you promised not to reveal the techniques and that you accepted that you were not guaranteed that you would be satisfied with the results of them. Even if you divorce yourself from someone,you don't go speak all their secrets. I have seen, in the past that you are careful to not reveal names of people who you have suggested had inappropriate relations, and yet you allow the techniques that you promised to protect to be discussed in full. Your point is not without merit. I do feel a bit squeamish when people start revealing mantras and techniques. I have occasionally deleted posts when something was said that left a permanent record on the net embarrassing someone. For instance, there was a fellow in town who had some mental problems and there were some posts about him here which his mother didn't want him to find. So she asked me to delete them and I did. I also have to contact the webmaster of a mirror site and have him delete stuff, which is an imposition. But if I agreed to delete everything which the TMO didn't want posted, it would be a full-time job. That info about the mantras and techniques is posted elsewhere on the web, in numerous places, so having it on FFL is merely redundant. I want to maintain freedom of speech here, and that means that very few things are going to qualify for censorship. I understand your desire for freedom of speech but the limit comes with your responsibility to the promises you made and the intention of this website. Alot of the stuff I don't really care about, people vent,have different opinions about ayurveda, chopra, stapatya veda etc. If those opinions bothered me, I wouldn't read the messages here.Allowing posting of the details of techniques makes you squeamish for a reason. Listen to your gut reaction and keep the promises you agreed to. I realize that that imformation is available on certain other sights, however the point of those sites is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics
That truly was Lillian. A temper to beat the band! Very nice woman, but don't get her pissed-off. --- wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting advanced technique story: a TM teacher I know had gotten his 2nd or 3rd technique directly from MMY. When he went to get his next advanced tech from Lillian (remember her?) and they had just finished the puja, she asked him his current technique in preparation for giving him the next. When he told her his current technique, she blew up, into a huge rage you could hear throughout the center. She screamed that he could not possibly have that technique since it was a more advanced one than she was about to give! He tried to explain that this was what MMY had given to him. She continued to scream and shriek and the teacher ran out of the room, down the stairs and out the center door, totally freaked out and angry. I believe the coordinators (who were pretty upset themselves at her behavior but did not have the courage to confront her), after he called and requested it, agreed to tear up his payment check. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 no_reply@ wrote: Amazing to me that people blame someone else when they lack moral character. It must be the movement's fault that I didn't keep my promise. Somehow this justifies my lack of ethics. It's a broad excuse to justify anything and everything. Just look at what you wrote, I don't believe that the TMO should get away scot-free, so therefore YOU are going to be the one chosen to deliver whatever you deem fair recompense for (again broad undescribable term)the TMO. Anything goes right? Maybe there could be some level of honor and still maintain a discussion without lowering yourself to breaking of legal contracts that you signed. Ok, time to call bullshit. There is one and *only* one reason for the secrecy agreements that you and anyone else here had to sign -- protection of corporate secrets and profit. Protecting the purity of the teaching has nothing to do with it. Some of my advanced techniques were taught to me directly by Maharishi in a grand total of 30 seconds -- no puja, no nothing...just pay your money (the important part, from his POV), stand in line, and have him whisper a word that *he* stole from open source religion into your ear. Maharishi neither invented any of this nor deserves sole credit or sole profits from it. He took open source spiritual software and threw a trademark on it for Westerners who were too clueless to realize that it was open source software. And then he tried to bully those who had paid for the stuff he got for free and resold for a profit into keeping quiet about the nature of what they'd paid for. And bullying it was, and is. Legal contract my ass. Whatever the contract, it's not legal unless you get a copy of it. Do you have your copy? Right. Neither do I. Neither does anyone else. The contract was and still is a quasi- legal bluff. Towards the end of my time in the TMO, no one could even *find* the worthless pieces of paper signed by millions of TMers; they had been placed in boxes in some storage facility somewhere, and literally *no one* in the U.S. National movement at that time could remember or figure out where they were. They dropped several potential trademark infringe- ment lawsuits for exactly this reason. So don't pull this attempted guilt trip on US, asshole. We had enough of it from Maharishi himself, for far too many years, and we're not about to stand for it from some putz who still wants to play I'm more moral than you games. Some of us *like* being whistleblowers. We are *proud* to stand up and tell it like it really was, so that it isn't able to *continue* being what it was. If you want to hold on to your cherished illusions of what it was, so be it. But don't you *dare* come roaring in here trying to make people who now value truth over falsity feel bad about doing so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics
I think the point is that we each have to decide for ourselves how we relate this promise. Such agreements are always context dependent, they don't exist in some magical space of promise land, they are an aspect of the relationship itself. I am against people being censored for talking about the so called secrets on an open forum. People who don't want to discuss such things don't have to. Turq brought up many good points about the nature of this agreement. With the unequal power balance, and the legal bluff aspect, I don't view this agreement as the same thing a promise to a friend or family member. In the case of equals, promises for confidentiality bind you together and enhance trust and intimacy between you. This was never the case with the movement's agreements which were veiled threats for revealing corporate secrets. That said, if the movement had gone about it in a legal above board manor (giving us a copy for one) they would have the legal protection of the law. Instead they did it with their typical disregard for the law, invented their own rules for a contractual relationship, and tried to frighten legally naive followers. Not by using it as a tool for intimacy, but under veiled threats, showing that you were not trusted. Going on courses we also signed away the right to sue if we were injured. Again, not given a copy of the secret document which invalidated it for legal purposes. But its purpose was an act of bluff and bullying as Turq pointed out. It was a creepy trick. If they had done it in a legal way they would have had to give up the document for others to see and the secrecy obsession always rules in the movement. They would rather have an invalid agreement than let the world actually shine a light on what their documents. Very Catholic church IMO. The same secrecy dominated martial arts for centuries. Only very recently can anyone could learn the secrets of the systems of fighting around the world without pledging total allegiance to the master. And you know what such openness brought? The most amazing renaissance of the fighting arts in history. Bullshit techniques are exposed for what they are, and what is emerging is mixed martial arts were only the best techniques prevail. Such openness might help us figure out which meditation practices have the most to offer beyond the followers strong biases in a cloud of secrets. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Peter here. I promised that I wouldn't reveal details of the TM teaching process, and I never would. It's a matter of integrity, of keeping one's word. You could waterboard me and I wouldn't tell. (Well, maybe I might, but I would say that my mantra is ka-ching). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: My attitude is that I made a promise not to reveal certain things and I won't regardless of what the other person does regarding that promise. --- curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I understand your desire for freedom of speech but the limit comes with your responsibility to the promises you made and the intention of this website. No teacher promised to suppress this information expressed by others. Exposing details of the practice has nothing to do with the movement destroying itself. IMO the attitude that information must be suppressed is a much bigger threat to the movement than someone talking about their advanced technique. Everybody has their own relationship with promises made it the past and sometimes people feel that the integrity of those promises was broken by the movement. Expecting someone who no longer values the movement to abide by promises made when they were in it seems so unrealistic. It can be very liberating to discuss secrets openly. I think it is polite to include a spoiler alert for people who don't want to read such posts but deleting posts is a dark path IMO. Stay true to your beliefs about such things. But leave people alone who don't share your values. There are way too many POVs being expressed here to have any deletion policy be fair and unbiased. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of m2smart4u2000 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:02 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Which ones have I broken? Confidentiality of the techniques. You are the moderator of this website so you can delete
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics
On Jun 6, 2008, at 8:55 AM, feste37 wrote: I agree with Peter here. I promised that I wouldn't reveal details of the TM teaching process, and I never would. It's a matter of integrity, of keeping one's word. You could waterboard me and I wouldn't tell. (Well, maybe I might, but I would say that my mantra is ka-ching). And that would be the complete truth, feste. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Peter here. I promised that I wouldn't reveal details of the TM teaching process, and I never would. It's a matter of integrity, of keeping one's word. You could waterboard me and I wouldn't tell. (Well, maybe I might, but I would say that my mantra is ka-ching). I wonder if the sound Ka-Ching could actually have any meaning as a mantra, Vaj?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of m2smart4u2000 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:02 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Which ones have I broken? Confidentiality of the techniques. You are the moderator of this website so you can delete things that break that promise. I am sure you promised not to reveal the techniques and that you accepted that you were not guaranteed that you would be satisfied with the results of them. Even if you divorce yourself from someone,you don't go speak all their secrets. I have seen, in the past that you are careful to not reveal names of people who you have suggested had inappropriate relations, and yet you allow the techniques that you promised to protect to be discussed in full. Your point is not without merit. I do feel a bit squeamish when people start revealing mantras and techniques. I have occasionally deleted posts when something was said that left a permanent record on the net embarrassing someone. For instance, there was a fellow in town who had some mental problems and there were some posts about him here which his mother didn't want him to find. So she asked me to delete them and I did. I also have to contact the webmaster of a mirror site and have him delete stuff, which is an imposition. But if I agreed to delete everything which the TMO didn't want posted, it would be a full-time job. That info about the mantras and techniques is posted elsewhere on the web, in numerous places, so having it on FFL is merely redundant. I want to maintain freedom of speech here, and that means that very few things are going to qualify for censorship. I understand your desire for freedom of speech but the limit comes with your responsibility to the promises you made and the intention of this website. Alot of the stuff I don't really care about, people vent,have different opinions about ayurveda, chopra, stapatya veda etc. If those opinions bothered me, I wouldn't read the messages here.Allowing posting of the details of techniques makes you squeamish for a reason. Listen to your gut reaction and keep the promises you agreed to. I realize that that imformation is available on certain other sights, however the point of those sites is extremely anti TM. They want to completely destroy the movement and the revelations are intentionally to hurt. That is not the object of this website. Authoritarian fundamentalism rears its ugly head.
[FairfieldLife] Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say: This sure ain't no ordinary politician. You buying it?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL nl=fix nl=fix
[FairfieldLife] Re: ADVANCED TECNIQUES NUNBER 6
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bigoted. You guys sold water down by the river for years! You lied your heads off in the employ of the Marshy. You don't know what you're talking about. I was never a TM teacher. to this forum by Sal or the Gullible Fool; Once more, it's 'gullible fool', in lower case. It's not capitalized because it is not a name or even a pseudonym of anyone, rather it is a term that applies to everyone that ever got suckered by the TMO. Most of the people on this forum not me-- I caught on to the suckers (Governors of the A of E) before they could turn the equation in their favor, well meaning as they were.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say: This sure ain't no ordinary politician. You buying it?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL nl=fix nl=fix I don't know asbout that, but he carries a silence and presence about him that I recognized instantly. Pretty powerful guy.
[FairfieldLife] Breaking Hillary News
Jay Leno: Today, Hillary Clinton's camp said she is not actively seeking the vice presidential nomination. And then her pantsuit caught on fire.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics
On Jun 6, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Hugo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Peter here. I promised that I wouldn't reveal details of the TM teaching process, and I never would. It's a matter of integrity, of keeping one's word. You could waterboard me and I wouldn't tell. (Well, maybe I might, but I would say that my mantra is ka-ching). I wonder if the sound Ka-Ching could actually have any meaning as a mantra, Vaj? Ka represents kama or desire and relates to Kama-deva, the goddess of love according to several mantra dictionaries. Cim is a Sanskrit word which means cause or reason. So Ka-Ching would mean the 'cause of love' or the cause of desire, attachment, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Hugo wrote: I wonder if the sound Ka-Ching could actually have any meaning as a mantra, Vaj? Ka represents kama or desire and relates to Kama-deva, the goddess of love according to several mantra dictionaries. Cim is a Sanskrit word which means cause or reason. So Ka-Ching would mean the 'cause of love' or the cause of desire, attachment, etc. Nice one Vaj, sounds pretty good to me. Might just give it a try.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say: This sure ain't no ordinary politician. You buying it?
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sandiego108 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:04 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say: This sure ain't no ordinary politician. You buying it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL nl=fix nl=fix I don't know asbout that, but he carries a silence and presence about him that I recognized instantly. Pretty powerful guy. I got a chance to ask him a question when he came to FF, from about 10 feet away. I found his presence, his awareness, his focus of attention, insofar as I could judge it, very impressive. He really seemed to light up the room. Of course, all these guys get jazzed by the crowd attention. I also saw Edwards and Biden face to face. But Obama had a sense of silent awareness about him that was palpable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say: This sure ain't no ordinary politician. You buying it?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sandiego108 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:04 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say: This sure ain't no ordinary politician. You buying it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL nl=fix nl=fix I don't know asbout that, but he carries a silence and presence about him that I recognized instantly. Pretty powerful guy. I got a chance to ask him a question when he came to FF, from about 10 feet away. I found his presence, his awareness, his focus of attention, insofar as I could judge it, very impressive. He really seemed to light up the room. Of course, all these guys get jazzed by the crowd attention. I also saw Edwards and Biden face to face. But Obama had a sense of silent awareness about him that was palpable. I just hope the comparison to JFK and MLK only extends to presence and not to prescience.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say: This sure ain't no ordinary politician. You buying it?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sandiego108 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:04 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say: This sure ain't no ordinary politician. You buying it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL nl=fix nl=fix I don't know asbout that, but he carries a silence and presence about him that I recognized instantly. Pretty powerful guy. I got a chance to ask him a question when he came to FF, from about 10 feet away. I found his presence, his awareness, his focus of attention, insofar as I could judge it, very impressive. He really seemed to light up the room. Of course, all these guys get jazzed by the crowd attention. I also saw Edwards and Biden face to face. But Obama had a sense of silent awareness about him that was palpable. I just hope the comparison to JFK and MLK only extends to presence and not to prescience. God, that makes no sense at all, I'm having a shit day post-wise. How about: I just hope the likeness to JFK and MLK only extends as far as his presence and isn't prescient. Hmm a bit better...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras
Vaj wrote: He was the last living acharya In fact, the tradition of Laksmanjoo is carried on by his successor, Virish Hughes, who recieved the transmission directly from Swami Laksmanjoo in Kashmir. The main tantric yoga practice in Kashmir Shaivism is a meditation that is transcendental, utilizing a series of bija mantras. From what I've read, this technique was taught to Swami Lakshmanjoo by the Marshy himself. Kashmere Shaivism is a form of absolute idealistic monism. It is similar to the Sri Vidya tradition of Karnataka, and resembles the Adwaita Vedanta of Sri Shankaracharya, who once visited Kashmere and established the Sri Yantra with the TM bija mantras inscribed thereon. of that tradition. Apparently the Shiva Sutras may no longer be extant. Having been authored by Lord Shiva himself, it would be doubtful if the sutras ever existed on actual paper, since it was for years a strictly esoteric oral tradition. (Not to be confused with the 'Shiva Sutras' which are phonemic notations was used to organize the Sanskrit grammar of Panini.) Apparently Vasagupta, author of the 'Shiva Sutras', transcirbed the present sutras in writing directly from Lord Shiva on Mt. Kailas in a dream or a trance induction state sometime in the 8th or 9th century AD. That means that the 'Shiva Sutras' as a 'doctrine' are not part of the original Vedic literature, but rather contained in the 'Spanda' literature in the Trika system of Kashmere Tantrism. Shiva Sutras: According to John Hughes, a TM Teacher, (TTC 1968, Rishikesh), Kashmir Tantrism agrees with many of Maharishi's teachings concerning meditation, bija mantras, and siddha yoga. The system shows many affinities with the description of the yoga philosophy given by Maharishi. Theos Bernard, author of 'Penthouse of the Gods', 'Hatha Yoga', and 'Heaven Lies Within You', has written a lucid review of all the Hindu systems in his book 'Philosophical Foundations of Hinduism', which includes a definitive introduction to the philosophy of Kashmir Shaivism. Works cited: 'Philosophical Foundations of India' by Theos. Bernard Rider, 1945 'Shiva Sutras: The Supreme Awakening' by Swami Lakshmanjoo AuthorHouse 2007 http://tinyurl.com/43t7cd 'Zen Flesh Zen Bones' A Collection of Zen and pre-zen writings including 'Centering' by Laksmanjoo by Paul Reps and Nyogen Senzaki Doubleday Anchor, 1961 Other titles of interst: 'An Introduction to Hinduism' by Gavin Flood, Ph.D. Cambridge University Press, 1996 Note: I have posted two exerpts from my sources in a seperate thread: one is called 'Centering', a translation by the Swami Laksmanjoo, and the second is an excerpt from Theos Bernard. You can also read my report on my website 'Flying Beyond'. 'Centering: The Supreme Awakening' http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/centering.htm Read more: Subject: The most complete analysis of nature yet devised Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Thurs, Feb 9 2006 http://tinyurl.com/3jwbx3 Subject: Maharishi and the last living guru of Kashmir Saivism Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Fri, Jan 6 2006 http://tinyurl.com/44z87r
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics
On Jun 6, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Hugo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Hugo wrote: I wonder if the sound Ka-Ching could actually have any meaning as a mantra, Vaj? Ka represents kama or desire and relates to Kama-deva, the goddess of love according to several mantra dictionaries. Cim is a Sanskrit word which means cause or reason. So Ka-Ching would mean the 'cause of love' or the cause of desire, attachment, etc. Nice one Vaj, sounds pretty good to me. Might just give it a try. And if it works, Hugo, you can just send your $2500 to me. Email me for an address. :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] More on Clintons' character
Rep. Rob Andrews, who supported Hillary Clinton throughout the primary season, disclosed he received a phone call shortly before the April 22 Pennsylvania primary from a top member of Clinton's organization and that the caller explicitly discussed a strategy of winning Jewish voters by exploiting tensions between Jews and African-Americans. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/06/superdelegate_says_clinton_cam.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics
You could tell how to practice this mantra ? (ka-ching) - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics On Jun 6, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Hugo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Peter here. I promised that I wouldn't reveal details of the TM teaching process, and I never would. It's a matter of integrity, of keeping one's word. You could waterboard me and I wouldn't tell. (Well, maybe I might, but I would say that my mantra is ka-ching). I wonder if the sound Ka-Ching could actually have any meaning as a mantra, Vaj? Ka represents kama or desire and relates to Kama-deva, the goddess of love according to several mantra dictionaries. Cim is a Sanskrit word which means cause or reason. So Ka-Ching would mean the 'cause of love' or the cause of desire, attachment, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ADVANCED TECNIQUES NUNBER 6
You guys sold water down by the river for years! You lied your heads off in the employ of the Marshy. gullible fool wrote: You don't know what you're talking about. This in itself, is a TMO status claim. Otherwise you'd probably have no reason to post messages here in the first place. How would you be knowing anything about 'Advanced Techniques' unless you paid thousands of dollars over a period of years in order to fatten the TMO coffers? I was never a TM teacher. Maybe so, but either way, you're still a bigot and guilty of selling water down by the river, even if you never took a dime and gave it to the Marshy to send to his relatives in India. You once lied your head off, even if you were not in the employ of the Marshy. You're still lying your head off as an anonymous informant. You have surely not contributed one single message that would help any of us understand the mechanics of consciousness. That's my point.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say: This sure ain't no
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL Having lived through the days of JFK, RFK and MLK, I saw them as carrying a Mantle of Light that infused a whole generation. And I also saw [and *felt*] the tragedy of their murders and what happened afterwards... seen in the faces of the people I *also* saw Maharishi carrying such a mantle and scrabbled to become a direct part of that massively transformative influx of light. And in that case, though still fully valuing my 'connection to the Absolute', I saw that whole effort turn into a pile of shit externally. It went metaphorically from replacing the Beatles with Rick Stanley and ended up with music from the Monkees. That Mantle of Light went out - decades ago. Mark Morford's words summarize the many varied phrases that have recently described the phenomenon of Barack Obama. I share Morford's views. But from past experience, I almost expect tragedy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Hugo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Hugo wrote: I wonder if the sound Ka-Ching could actually have any meaning as a mantra, Vaj? Ka represents kama or desire and relates to Kama-deva, the goddess of love according to several mantra dictionaries. Cim is a Sanskrit word which means cause or reason. So Ka-Ching would mean the 'cause of love' or the cause of desire, attachment, etc. Nice one Vaj, sounds pretty good to me. Might just give it a try. And if it works, Hugo, you can just send your $2500 to me. Email me for an address. :) Sal Gladly Sal, but did someone say Gurus have to carry your Karma until enlightenment? I hope you're strong.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics
I wonder if the sound Ka-Ching could actually have any meaning as a mantra, Vaj? Vaj wrote: Ka represents kama or desire and relates to Kama-deva, the goddess of love according to several mantra dictionaries. Cim is a Sanskrit word which means cause or reason. So Ka-Ching would mean the 'cause of love' or the cause of desire, attachment, etc. Marcelo wrote: You could tell how to practice this mantra ? (ka-ching) Any word or phrase can be a mantra, Marcelo. But a 'bija mantra' is only a 'mantra' when given in an initiation, otherwise it's just like repeating non-sense gibberish or thinking about the sound 'pop' of a two-cylinder motor rikshaw heard all over Old Delhi. But bija mantras have no semantic meaning - they are not found in any standard Sanskrit lexicon, because bija mantras are not words, they are just sounds used a a mnemonic device for transcending. But you don't even need a bija mantra to practice a meditation that is transcendental. You could just sit down, close your eyes and and 'be aware of being aware'. That's the 'Direct Path' to Self realization - you don't need any other detailed instructions or practices to perform. Just sit and be aware - just sitting and being aware of being aware, IS enlightenment. You are not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going to get. All you have to do is stop your striving. Read more: 'The Direct Path' Creating a Personal Journey to the Divine Using the World's Spiritual Traditions by Andrew Harvey Broadway, 2001 Amazon Reviews: http://tinyurl.com/3rm5rg
[FairfieldLife] Black Family in the White House?
Can we do this thing? Why, yes. We can. Photo: http://www.iamtrex.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/obamafamily.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Insanity of the Age of Enlightment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ruth wrote: What is unstressing? TM unstressing doctrine says that these bad experiences are merely the result of deep-rooted stresses that are being released by the deep rest experienced during the practice of TM. Source: 'Falling down the rabbit hole' By Joe Kellett http://www.suggestibility.org/catch22.htm This is the question I am trying to explore more deeply. Can deep rooted stresses be released by meditating? Is unstressing or bad feelings during or after meditating actually indicative of something good happening? I have expressed my doubts. Thank you though for the link to Joe Kellett's article. That article has a link to a discussion of unstressing and checking procedures. Maybe a teacher/former teacher among you can tell me if the link has accurate info, but it rings familiar to me: http://web.archive.org/web/20050305213821/www.trancenet.org/secrets/chec\ king/3day2.shtml Some interesting things from this link: The activity of release of stress is physical activity in the nervous system. This produces corresponding mental activity. This mental activity is a thought. Thus we find that a thought is an indication that some stress has already been released. Stress in the system is a foreign material40 http://web.archive.org/web/20050305213821/http://www.trancenet.org/secr\ ets/checking/overview2.shtml#foreign and the nervous system is so constructed that it wants to throw out any deposit of foreign material. This is the nature of the nervous system. Charming ideas, but I don't see how a thought or a feeling is a release of buried stress. Arguably, a thought or a sensation could be a result of stress and be perceived as stressful, but a release? The article goes on to state: 1. What we mean by stress and how it got there: Physiological abnormality at the material or structural level caused by undo pressure of experience (overload). 2. How it can be dissolved: The natural and most effective way of eliminating stress is through rest. The rest gained during sleep is valuable in eliminating the normal fatigue of the day. The deeper and more significant rest gained during TM allows the body spontaneously to throw off the deeper accumulated stresses. 3. What happens during this process: When this process of release of stress occurs, there is an increase in physiological activity in the nervous system. This produces a corresponding increase in mental activity, which is experienced as thoughts in meditation. With this knowledge about the mechanics of TM we now have a basis for understanding all our experiences during meditation. So, the conclusion is that all experiences during meditation are arguably good experiences because it is a release of stress. This is a theory I just cannot buy. I might be charmed by a theory that meditation can (but not always) result in new and positive mental habits, a purification in that sense. But I do not buy that thoughts and sensations during meditation are unstressing. I do not buy that these thoughts and sensations necessarily mean something good is happening. An example is the head twitching and vocalizations all my meditator friends made when learning the sidhis, which they perceived as a release of stress. I perceived it differently. Most of it I thought was due to suggestibility (stress is going to be released, others made noise, I make noise, others twitch, I twitch). Some may have been due to the stress (yes I said stress) of too much meditating. So, instead of perceiving it as unstressing, I perceived it as a problem resulting from too much meditation or too much group suggestibility. Richard, the rest of your post is irrelevant to the points I was trying to make and you are still confusing unstressing with stress.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics
Sal wrote: And if it works, Hugo, you can just send your $2500 to me. But Sal, you can't spend British Pounds in Fairfield, IA. Better sign up for Pay Pal. But it was Marcelo, not Hugo, who wanted to learn the 'advanced technique'. Hugo probably already has enough advanced techniques to last him several lifetimes. So, why should anyone send you money for a 'mantra' that you obviously stole out of a comic book? Did you use to be a Pawn Broker? That's the trouble with some of you TM teachers - always trying to screw some poor student out of a few lousy bucks for a silly word or phrase, a potion, a massage, or an astrology prediction.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say: This sure ain't no ordinary politician. You buying it?
As Byron Nelson (PGA golfer 1912-2006) might have said of Obama, he's a different breed of cat. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sandiego108 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:04 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say: This sure ain't no ordinary politician. You buying it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL nl=fix nl=fix I don't know asbout that, but he carries a silence and presence about him that I recognized instantly. Pretty powerful guy. I got a chance to ask him a question when he came to FF, from about 10 feet away. I found his presence, his awareness, his focus of attention, insofar as I could judge it, very impressive. He really seemed to light up the room. Of course, all these guys get jazzed by the crowd attention. I also saw Edwards and Biden face to face. But Obama had a sense of silent awareness about him that was palpable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Insanity of the Age of Enlightment
This is a great topic Ruth, thanks for pursuing it. I believe it reveals the epistemological basis for the whole system: authority. This theory (which was first proposed by Maharishi including dual nervous systems, one to maintain pure consciousness and one to support activity until he was persuaded that this was just too wacky) was something that Maharishi cooked up as an explanation for Westerners. True to form he does not reveal its source which may be a hodge podge of traditional teachings about Samskaras with more modern ideas about stress. It isn't a bad belief as far as the practice of meditation goes. In fact it was very useful in getting students off a fascination with the content of their thoughts which I think is really a problem in some spiritual traditions. It shuts down the crazy notion that God gave you a message and you need to deliver it to everyone. Maharishi said If God himself comes and sits on your lap, just go back to the mantra. So in that sense it is useful, but is it true in a more profound sense? I doubt it. Judging by the source, I think it was an expedient concept without any regard to its accuracy. Maharishi was such a pragmatist in the early days that I think he would say anything to just keep the ball rolling. (a bigger and bigger organization) It doesn't connect to any modern understanding of how the nervous system works. It melts together an ancient esoteric tradition with sciency sounding terms for marketing purposes. I never saw a sincere desire in Maharishi to actually test any of this theories in a falsifiable form. He said it, we believed it, and that was good enough for a pretty long while. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Ruth wrote: What is unstressing? TM unstressing doctrine says that these bad experiences are merely the result of deep-rooted stresses that are being released by the deep rest experienced during the practice of TM. Source: 'Falling down the rabbit hole' By Joe Kellett http://www.suggestibility.org/catch22.htm This is the question I am trying to explore more deeply. Can deep rooted stresses be released by meditating? Is unstressing or bad feelings during or after meditating actually indicative of something good happening? I have expressed my doubts. Thank you though for the link to Joe Kellett's article. That article has a link to a discussion of unstressing and checking procedures. Maybe a teacher/former teacher among you can tell me if the link has accurate info, but it rings familiar to me: http://web.archive.org/web/20050305213821/www.trancenet.org/secrets/chec\ king/3day2.shtml Some interesting things from this link: The activity of release of stress is physical activity in the nervous system. This produces corresponding mental activity. This mental activity is a thought. Thus we find that a thought is an indication that some stress has already been released. Stress in the system is a foreign material40 http://web.archive.org/web/20050305213821/http://www.trancenet.org/secr\ ets/checking/overview2.shtml#foreign and the nervous system is so constructed that it wants to throw out any deposit of foreign material. This is the nature of the nervous system. Charming ideas, but I don't see how a thought or a feeling is a release of buried stress. Arguably, a thought or a sensation could be a result of stress and be perceived as stressful, but a release? The article goes on to state: 1. What we mean by stress and how it got there: Physiological abnormality at the material or structural level caused by undo pressure of experience (overload). 2. How it can be dissolved: The natural and most effective way of eliminating stress is through rest. The rest gained during sleep is valuable in eliminating the normal fatigue of the day. The deeper and more significant rest gained during TM allows the body spontaneously to throw off the deeper accumulated stresses. 3. What happens during this process: When this process of release of stress occurs, there is an increase in physiological activity in the nervous system. This produces a corresponding increase in mental activity, which is experienced as thoughts in meditation. With this knowledge about the mechanics of TM we now have a basis for understanding all our experiences during meditation. So, the conclusion is that all experiences during meditation are arguably good experiences because it is a release of stress. This is a theory I just cannot buy. I might be charmed by a theory that meditation can (but not always) result in new and positive mental habits, a purification in that sense. But I do not buy that thoughts and sensations during meditation are unstressing. I do not buy that these thoughts and sensations necessarily mean
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say: This sure ain't no ordinary politician. You buying it?
Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sandiego108 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:04 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say: This sure ain't no ordinary politician. You buying it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL nl=fix nl=fix I don't know asbout that, but he carries a silence and presence about him that I recognized instantly. Pretty powerful guy. I got a chance to ask him a question when he came to FF, from about 10 feet away. I found his presence, his awareness, his focus of attention, insofar as I could judge it, very impressive. He really seemed to light up the room. Of course, all these guys get jazzed by the crowd attention. I also saw Edwards and Biden face to face. But Obama had a sense of silent awareness about him that was palpable. **end You don't make the type of waves at a place like Harvard law like Obama did unless you've really got something going on that's above the ordinary. Schools like that, any of the top-ten law schools, draw a student population that are (for the most part) the next generation of leaders and policy makers, and many *intend* to be jus that. To stand out in that demographic is a big deal and Obama stood out. In this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eVdrBch7nQ Michelle Obama talks about meeting and falling in love with Barack and she comments about how, before she met him, the big, corporate law firm where she was a first-year associate and where Barack, as a first year law student doing a stint as a summer associate between his first and second year, was abuzz about this guy. At the end of the short video she talks about how Barack took her to a community organizing event on the South Side and how she knew that he was special. Not many people elicit that reaction, and fewer yet from their spouse of many years. I read Morford's article in the Chronicle and it parallels what lots of well-informed and politically connected folks (who have more reasons, and more experience, to be cynical of such gushing) have said about Barack as well. I'm like Edg, in that I have hero worshipping tendencies. It's one of the things that drew me to Maharishi, and it was difficult, and it took awhile, to allow myself to accept that he wasn't the hero that I projected him to be (though that doesn't matter in the long run, 'cause I can still love him for who he was and what he *did* accomplish). So I can anticipate that Barack will have shortcomings and failures that, to one degree or another, will bring him down a peg or two (or more, perhaps) in my estimation should he assume the presidency. That's allright and to be expected. But, as Morford points out in his essay, he seems to be a lightning rod for the best in folks who are looking for the best in themselves and in their country; and he seems emminently suited for the role of hero in this particular time and in this particular drama. Jai Obama
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras
It never ceases to amaze me how much dis- and mis-information you can squeeze into just one email. On Jun 6, 2008, at 11:57 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: He was the last living acharya In fact, the tradition of Laksmanjoo is carried on by his successor, Virish Hughes, who recieved the transmission directly from Swami Laksmanjoo in Kashmir. The main tantric yoga practice in Kashmir Shaivism is a meditation that is transcendental, utilizing a series of bija mantras. From what I've read, this technique was taught to Swami Lakshmanjoo by the Marshy himself. gracious snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Insanity of the Age of Enlightment
Ruth wrote: An example is the head twitching and vocalizations all my meditator friends made when learning the sidhis, which they perceived as a release of stress. We are not discussiong the 'TM-Sidhi Program', Ruth, we're just talking about plain old 'TM', a simple meditation that is transcendental. Plain TM is for relief of stress and strain - the siddhis are for obtaining an energizing enthusiasm AFTER you have practiced plain TM for about twenty minutes. ...the rest of your post is irrelevant to the points I was trying to make and you are still confusing unstressing with stress. Maybe so, but I don't think so, Ruth. In a nutshell, there's really no such thing as 'stress', in psychotherapy or medicine, that's just a word made up by Han Selye. There's no 'eu-tress', or Marshy 'unstress' - these are just phrases used by people in order to facilitate communications in a discussion. There's no medical definition of 'stress'. In reality, there's only 'suffering', that is, lamentation and grief, brought on by karma or the samskaras of everyday life. All these apparent maladies can be corrected and erased by *dispelling* the illusion of an individual *soul-monad*. When you realize this, all discontent and mental suffering come to an end, you are liberated: you know that you are free and immortal. You don't have to be reborn or come back anymore. If you understand this one lesson, you will be an adept, a Siddha, fully realized, no matter what practice or action you take until you leave your body, never to return again. The yoga techniques do not, in themselves, bring the enlightened state. The enlightened state is an already present fact, all you need to do is burn up, through tapas, the remaining karmic residue left over from this and previous lives. Then, the Being, the Transcendental Person, will shine of its own accord, like a beacon - a healing 'Light' - you will be liberated from suffering. According to Abraham Maslow, this one event could be the turning point in your life - a 'peak experience' - after that, you just perform good actions, without being concerned with the fruits of your actions, and work out your remaining karma with diligence. It's a simple as that. Abraham Maslow believed that people who have reached 'self-actualization' or had a peak experience, will sometimes experience a state of 'transcendence', a state in which they become aware of not only their own 'fullest potential', but the fullest potential of all human beings. Work cited: 'Religions, Values and Peak-experiences' by Abraham Maslow, Ph.D. Ohio State University Press, 1964 Titles of interest: 'Meditations for Overcoming Life's Stresses and Strains' by Bernie Siegel, M.D. Hay House, 2004 Amazon Reviews: http://tinyurl.com/66g9p6 Other titles of interest: 'If You Meet the Buddha on the Road, Kill Him! The pilgrimage of psychotherapy patients by Sheldon Kopp Bantam, 1976 Resource links: About Bernie Siegel: http://www.berniesiegelmd.com/bernie_siegel.htm About Abraham Maslow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Maslow
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:04 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:45 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: 44. What is meant by restraint in the centre of the brow? The left and right in the central channel. Seems like the translator doesn't know Sanskrit syntax very well. The last word of that suutra is a compound word: savyaapasavyasauSumneSu (savya-apasavya-sauSumneSu). Actually Mike is fluent in Sanskrit, although I never really liked his translation of the SS. Have you got any favourite translation of the above suutra? Shiva Sutras: The Supreme Awakening by Swami Lakshmanjoo He was the last living acharya of that tradition. My favorite translation of III 45 goes like this: 3-45 Concentrating on the center within the nose, what use are the left and the right channels or suSumna? naasikaantarmadhyasaMyamaat kimatra savyaapasavyasauSumNeSu 3-45 Concentrating (saMyamaat: ~performing saMyama) on the center within the nose (naasikaa+antar-madhya), what use are (kim atra: what here?) the left (savya: iDaa?) and the right (apasavya: pin.galaa?) channels or suSumna (sauSumNeSu)? http://www.shaivam.org/ssshivasuutra.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras
--(from below): - When you realize this, all discontent and mental suffering come to an end, you are liberated: you know that you are free and immortal. You don't have to be reborn or come back anymore. My comment: I haven't seen much evidence that all discontent is eliminated. Also, Ramakrishna and Ramana died of cancer. Ramakrishna looked like one of those Andersonville prisoners of war toward the end. I can't figure how this (E) puts an end to physical suffering,...which you didn't mention. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:04 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:45 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: 44. What is meant by restraint in the centre of the brow? The left and right in the central channel. Seems like the translator doesn't know Sanskrit syntax very well. The last word of that suutra is a compound word: savyaapasavyasauSumneSu (savya-apasavya-sauSumneSu). Actually Mike is fluent in Sanskrit, although I never really liked his translation of the SS. Have you got any favourite translation of the above suutra? Shiva Sutras: The Supreme Awakening by Swami Lakshmanjoo He was the last living acharya of that tradition. My favorite translation of III 45 goes like this: 3-45 Concentrating on the center within the nose, what use are the left and the right channels or suSumna? naasikaantarmadhyasaMyamaat kimatra savyaapasavyasauSumNeSu 3-45 Concentrating (saMyamaat: ~performing saMyama) on the center within the nose (naasikaa+antar-madhya), what use are (kim atra: what here?) the left (savya: iDaa?) and the right (apasavya: pin.galaa?) channels or suSumna (sauSumNeSu)? http://www.shaivam.org/ssshivasuutra.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say: This sure ain't no ordinary politician. You buying it?
Is Obama enlightened? I believe Barack Obama is not your ordinary guy. The light that radiated from him the first time we saw him on national television we saw that Obama illuminated an awareness that went behind his words that emanated a perspective that made everyone ask WHO IS THIS? As someone who wrote Senator Hillary Clinton in 2004 begging her to run for President I was surprised by this Senatorial Candidate introducing Senator Kerry. When he was pondering his run for President, I suggested that he wait. My reasons were that he didn't have a lot of national political exposure and the Bush regime has made such a mess of things I believed it better he wait so no to be the fall guy. Obama knew he had a mission. As I have watched him grow over the last 15 months I have seen his ability to take the high road, to think the high road to be the high road if it takes some level of enlightenment to do that then I would say Barack Obama is enlightened sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Byron Nelson (PGA golfer 1912-2006) might have said of Obama, he's a different breed of cat. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sandiego108 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:04 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say: This sure ain't no ordinary politician. You buying it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer wrote: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL nl=fix nl=fix I don't know asbout that, but he carries a silence and presence about him that I recognized instantly. Pretty powerful guy. I got a chance to ask him a question when he came to FF, from about 10 feet away. I found his presence, his awareness, his focus of attention, insofar as I could judge it, very impressive. He really seemed to light up the room. Of course, all these guys get jazzed by the crowd attention. I also saw Edwards and Biden face to face. But Obama had a sense of silent awareness about him that was palpable. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Insanity of the Age of Enlightment
On Jun 6, 2008, at 12:38 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: An example is the head twitching and vocalizations all my meditator friends made when learning the sidhis, which they perceived as a release of stress. I perceived it differently. Most of it I thought was due to suggestibility (stress is going to be released, others made noise, I make noise, others twitch, I twitch). Some may have been due to the stress (yes I said stress) of too much meditating. So, instead of perceiving it as unstressing, I perceived it as a problem resulting from too much meditation or too much group suggestibility. These twitchings and vocalizations are talked of in traditional literature and often referred to as kriyas or purificatory actions. It refers to the spontaneous purification of the nadis--much like acupuncture meridians in traditional Chinese acupuncture clearing themselves of blockages in the flow of chi. This idea of subtle body purification was popularized by Swami Muktananda in the west and the idea of this may have crept into the TM org mythos. But this is not a random thing where you just thrash around and start babbling though, it's believed to be the way the bodies innate intelligence, prana, unravels it's path in a spontaneously intelligent manner. Consequently, yogis whose teachers jump start them through shaktipat can spontaneously begin unusual breathing patterns and rates along with spontaneous yoga asanas which roto-rooter out the quantum mechanical body, the subtle illusory/imaginary body that allegedly underlies the physical nervous system. But not everyone goes through something necessarily obvious externally. In an org like the TMO where the knowledge is given in a very sketchy and incomplete manner, it leaves a place where subliminal ideas like this can take root and spread subconsciously, almost like a subliminal virus. At the level of the materialistic brain and nervous system, as one progresses from relaxation states (alpha waves) to deep meditation (delta and gamma) this challenges the brain to follow new neural nets and pathways to accommodate these different states of mind/ consciousness. As this occurs, it places a stress on the brain and nervous system to adapt to a new way of coping with these new patterns. A neuroplastic mechanism in the brain begins a slow process of change over months of time as the brain essentially rewires itself to allow these more integrated functioning's of the nervous system. Cerebral perfusion patterns likely begin to change as well. So this could explain some of the things that happen with deep meditators, but where you have a technique that languishes (for many people) in alpha relaxation stages, the neural nets change, but not necessarily in an evolutionary direction in terms of a changing and more integrated consciousness. In a case like that you end up falling asleep during meditation a lot and you become susceptible to subtle moodmakings since the cogitating mind isn't moving towards a place where thought cessation can occur as a engrained habit and lateral hemispheric predominance cannot shift away from left brain patterns. I always found it interesting that kriyas and some TMSP pathologies actually resemble certain certain disease processes. It's as if one gets Tourette's like syndromes which some people can never fully recover from without further help. That's not to say some don't benefit, some can, but no meditation technique should be taught if the further practices which rescue one from unassailable problems (like the TMSPers which got a long-term Tourette's like symptoms) cannot be applied. It's simply unethical IMO. I can almost hear some TM teacher guessing his way through an explanation where the student is told they probably had Tourette's as a latent tendency in their nervous system and it was their genetic karmic to go through this level of purification. It's a good thing. A little knowledge, too little knowledge, can be a dangerous thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say: This sure ain't no ordinary politician. You buying it?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sandiego108 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:04 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say: This sure ain't no ordinary politician. You buying it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL nl=fix nl=fix I don't know asbout that, but he carries a silence and presence about him that I recognized instantly. Pretty powerful guy. I got a chance to ask him a question when he came to FF, from about 10 feet away. I found his presence, his awareness, his focus of attention, insofar as I could judge it, very impressive. He really seemed to light up the room. Of course, all these guys get jazzed by the crowd attention. I also saw Edwards and Biden face to face. But Obama had a sense of silent awareness about him that was palpable. **end You don't make the type of waves at a place like Harvard law like Obama did unless you've really got something going on that's above the ordinary. Schools like that, any of the top-ten law schools, draw a student population that are (for the most part) the next generation of leaders and policy makers, and many *intend* to be jus that. To stand out in that demographic is a big deal and Obama stood out. In this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eVdrBch7nQ Michelle Obama talks about meeting and falling in love with Barack and she comments about how, before she met him, the big, corporate law firm where she was a first-year associate and where Barack, as a first year law student doing a stint as a summer associate between his first and second year, was abuzz about this guy. At the end of the short video she talks about how Barack took her to a community organizing event on the South Side and how she knew that he was special. Not many people elicit that reaction, and fewer yet from their spouse of many years. I read Morford's article in the Chronicle and it parallels what lots of well-informed and politically connected folks (who have more reasons, and more experience, to be cynical of such gushing) have said about Barack as well. I'm like Edg, in that I have hero worshipping tendencies. It's one of the things that drew me to Maharishi, and it was difficult, and it took awhile, to allow myself to accept that he wasn't the hero that I projected him to be (though that doesn't matter in the long run, 'cause I can still love him for who he was and what he *did* accomplish). So I can anticipate that Barack will have shortcomings and failures that, to one degree or another, will bring him down a peg or two (or more, perhaps) in my estimation should he assume the presidency. That's allright and to be expected. But, as Morford points out in his essay, he seems to be a lightning rod for the best in folks who are looking for the best in themselves and in their country; and he seems emminently suited for the role of hero in this particular time and in this particular drama. Jai Obama Something I noticed after Obama's I am the nominee speech was that I was watching a news show and the panel members, instead of their usual sober, noisy and windy analysis were all beaming and laughing and really high from the experience. It was as if Obama had awakened something within each one of them that they had forgetten. Can't say enough good about the guy. I am not into hero worship at all, and yet this one is transcendentally different.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics
Send Sal the $2500 and communicate directly and privately. She prolly doesn't wish to go public and jeopardize the purity of the teaching. Any chance yas needs some discount Jyotish gemstones Marcelo? I have a convenient account on the Turks and Caicos Islands we can use. My Nigerian partners guarantee the quality. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could tell how to practice this mantra ? (ka-ching) - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics On Jun 6, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Hugo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I agree with Peter here. I promised that I wouldn't reveal details of the TM teaching process, and I never would. It's a matter of integrity, of keeping one's word. You could waterboard me and I wouldn't tell. (Well, maybe I might, but I would say that my mantra is ka-ching). I wonder if the sound Ka-Ching could actually have any meaning as a mantra, Vaj? Ka represents kama or desire and relates to Kama-deva, the goddess of love according to several mantra dictionaries. Cim is a Sanskrit word which means cause or reason. So Ka-Ching would mean the 'cause of love' or the cause of desire, attachment, etc.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras
On Jun 6, 2008, at 2:01 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:04 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:45 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: 44. What is meant by restraint in the centre of the brow? The left and right in the central channel. Seems like the translator doesn't know Sanskrit syntax very well. The last word of that suutra is a compound word: savyaapasavyasauSumneSu (savya-apasavya-sauSumneSu). Actually Mike is fluent in Sanskrit, although I never really liked his translation of the SS. Have you got any favourite translation of the above suutra? Shiva Sutras: The Supreme Awakening by Swami Lakshmanjoo He was the last living acharya of that tradition. My favorite translation of III 45 goes like this: 3-45 Concentrating on the center within the nose, what use are the left and the right channels or suSumna? naasikaantarmadhyasaMyamaat kimatra savyaapasavyasauSumNeSu 3-45 Concentrating (saMyamaat: ~performing saMyama) on the center within the nose (naasikaa+antar-madhya), what use are (kim atra: what here?) the left (savya: iDaa?) and the right (apasavya: pin.galaa?) channels or suSumna (sauSumNeSu)? http://www.shaivam.org/ssshivasuutra.htm As I believe I've explained here before, in an agama like this one, samyama has a different meaning than it does in yoga-darshana. In fact, many different technical terms have different meanings in different darshanas or ways-of-seeing. In the samyama of this school, there is no outward stroke (vyutthana).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras
When you realize this, all discontent and mental suffering come to an end, you are liberated: you know that you are free and immortal. You don't have to be reborn or come back anymore. My comment: I haven't seen much evidence that all discontent is eliminated. Also, Ramakrishna and Ramana died of cancer. We're not talking about medical condition, such as cancer or physical suffering due to disease or accidents. This discussion, or at least I thought it was, is about mental anguish, mental discontent and distraction brought about by heavy stress of everyday living. Although, from what I've read heavy stress can be the cause of a pathological condition, which might require therapy of some kind. If so, then I have cited numerous points of evidence to support my theory of stress reduction through yogic means - Patanjali and Marshy. My theory is supprted by several medical experts that I mentioned: Hans Selye, MD., Ph.D. Abraham Maslow, Ph.D. Bernie Siegel, M.D. Herbert Benson, M.D. Did anybody here suggest that cancer or a broken leg could be healed using the power of positive thinking? I think not. Even Antohony Robbins doesn't make these kinds of claims.
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[FairfieldLife] How Hillary Lost the Nomination
To All: Please, read the article below. Given the comments made here about her, I still believe the gender issue was very much a factor to her loss. That goes to show the Americans are still not ready for a female president. JR Hillary Clinton shattered a political glass ceiling By Linda Feldmann Fri Jun 6, 4:00 AM ET Washington - Many of the factors that led Hillary Rodham Clinton's historic presidential campaign to fall short are by now well- cataloged. The New York senator based her initial message on inevitability, toughness, and experience when the public was clamoring for change. She underestimated the importance of small caucus states, barely competing in some, and allowed Barack Obama to rack up a lead in pledged delegates that proved impossible to overcome.She assumed she would have the nomination wrapped up on Feb. 5, Super Tuesday, and when she didn't, had to scramble to organize and raise more money. She got beaten by Senator Obama in Internet fundraising and organizing. And her husband, the former president, proved at crucial times to be a liability. But with Senator Clinton prepared to suspend her campaign Saturday, gender does not belong on that list, analysts say. Certainly, she encountered sexism on the trail and in media coverage, and a quick cruise around the Web could have found some of the crudest examples of misogyny imaginable aimed at her. But being female did not cost her the nomination. No, it was a good thing, says Dianne Bystrom, director of the Carrie Chapman Catt Center for Women and Politics at Iowa State University. I think she got support because she's a woman. I think Barack Obama is getting support because he's African-American. It's because people want something different. Both campaigns are historic, and the [simultaneous] timing is unfortunate. A new CBS News poll shows most voters think that by making a serious run for the Democratic nomination, Clinton made it easier for other women to run for president. Sixty percent of men and 76 percent of women agree with that statement. Among Democrats, 75 percent agree; among Republicans, it's 63 percent. Overall, 88 percent of voters agree with the statement I am glad to see a woman as a serious contender for president. In 1984, when Geraldine Ferraro made history as the first female vice-presidential nominee for a major party, a CBS poll found only 62 percent of voters were glad that a woman was nominated. Earlier this year, Ms. Ferraro made headlines again when she suggested that Obama's race gave him an advantage, and in a column in The Boston Globe, she spoke of Democratic women's anger over how sexism hurt Clinton's candidacy. Kathleen Hall Jamieson, director of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania, says key gender-related moments on the eve of the New Hampshire primary led women to rush to her side and handed her a narrow victory, saving her campaign. I think four moments put together signaled to women something was happening here that was unfair, and they rallied, says Ms. Jamieson. One was when Clinton was asked about her likability in the ABC-TV debate. She quipped that the question had hurt her feelings, says Jamieson, while Obama peevishly called her likable enough. Another episode came at a Clinton event in Salem, N.H., when a young man yelled Iron my shirt. Third was the moment at a New Hampshire diner, when Clinton teared up over a question about the rigors of the campaign. And fourth was a response by Democratic candidate John Edwards questioning Clinton's ability to hold up as commander in chief. In the Iowa caucuses, where Clinton came in third, entrance polls showed 35 percent of women voters favored Obama, versus 30 percent for Clinton. Five days later in New Hampshire, which Clinton won by just 2 points, 46 percent of white women voted for her and 33 percent for Obama. Still, Jamieson believes Clinton's campaign was hurt at other times by unequal media treatment. On Feb. 10, CBS's 60 Minutes featured interviews with both Clinton and Obama. In the Clinton interview, Katie Couric asked soft questions some of them inappropriately gender-specific, Jamieson says. One example: Someone told me your nickname in school was Miss Frigidaire. Is that true? Obama, in his interview with Scott Pelley, was asked about policy. Examples of sexist language aimed at Clinton in the media during the campaign are legion. Conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh asked: Will Americans want to watch a woman get older before their eyes? MSNBC host Chris Matthews had to apologize on-air for a comment he had made suggesting Clinton wouldn't be contending for the presidency if husband Bill hadn't fooled around with Monica Lewinsky. Another MSNBC reporter, David Shuster, was suspended temporarily after joking that the campaign was pimping out Clinton's daughter, Chelsea. Bill Carrick,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Black Family in the White House?
Why is Obama's skin color so important to you, do.rflex? Can't you judge a person solely on the basis of the content of their character? In my opinion, you reduce their humanity by putting such an emphasis on race. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we do this thing? Why, yes. We can. Photo: http://www.iamtrex.com/wp- content/uploads/2008/06/obamafamily.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras
Vaj wrote: It never ceases to amaze me how much dis- and mis-information you can squeeze into just one email. Indeed! Centering - An excerpt from the Shiva Sutra, translated by Swami by Lakshmanjoo: 7. Devi, imagine the Sanskrit letters in these honey-filled foci of awareness, first as letters, then more subtly as sounds, then as most subtle feeling. Then, leaving them aside, be free. 14. Bathe in the center of sound, as in the continuous sound of a waterfall. Or, by putting fingers in ears, hear the sound of sounds. 19. Intone a sound audibly, then less and less audible as feeling deepens into this silent harmony. Source: 'Zen Flesh Zen Bones' A Collection of Zen and pre-zen writings including 'Centering' by Laksmanjoo by Paul Reps and Nyogen Senzaki Doubleday Anchor, 1961 The main tantric yoga practice in Kashmir Shaivism is a meditation that is transcendental, utilizing a series of bija mantras.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say: This sure ain't no ordinary politician. You buying it?
One thing I heard a while back- It was a past life reading, and it was said that John Kennedy, Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy were disciples of Jesus- More than spiritual purpose, they seemed to be on a mission, going the extra mile, and not afraid of death. Barack Obama falls into this same catogory for me. He is driven in a way to not only radiate enlightenment, but to go into the world and wake it up- Something we are all here to do, really, but these certain individuals seem to have something above and beyond the usual call to duty. It's like these leaders had a destiny that transcended anything we have seem or felt from other more ordinary folks. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras
--- Right, stress can be reduced, as well as overall suffering (if one can even measure such things). However, I take issue with the Neo- Advaitin claim that suffering is eliminated. The main problem with Neo-Advaitinism is that is allows for no gradations or progressions of evolution. It seems: one has just to get it; and with an AHA!; all sufferings vanish. Remarkable! In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you realize this, all discontent and mental suffering come to an end, you are liberated: you know that you are free and immortal. You don't have to be reborn or come back anymore. My comment: I haven't seen much evidence that all discontent is eliminated. Also, Ramakrishna and Ramana died of cancer. We're not talking about medical condition, such as cancer or physical suffering due to disease or accidents. This discussion, or at least I thought it was, is about mental anguish, mental discontent and distraction brought about by heavy stress of everyday living. Although, from what I've read heavy stress can be the cause of a pathological condition, which might require therapy of some kind. If so, then I have cited numerous points of evidence to support my theory of stress reduction through yogic means - Patanjali and Marshy. My theory is supprted by several medical experts that I mentioned: Hans Selye, MD., Ph.D. Abraham Maslow, Ph.D. Bernie Siegel, M.D. Herbert Benson, M.D. Did anybody here suggest that cancer or a broken leg could be healed using the power of positive thinking? I think not. Even Antohony Robbins doesn't make these kinds of claims.
[FairfieldLife] Smart Cars Hit America
I saw one of these parked downtown the other day. Would you buy one? If they only get 40 mpg why wouldn't one by a Toyota Yaris instead which gets 40 mpg too and is only $12K plus more room? Plus they're more readily available, well maybe on a list now as when I pass the local dealership there aren't any parked there nor Prius model like there were last year. Looks like it being handled like yuppie fad. http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras
Vaj wrote: As I believe I've explained here before, Well no, you haven't explained much of anything here before. In fact, you've been deliberatly trying to obsfucate, so far as I can tell. And you're always trying to trash the Marshy. For what purpose? in an agama like this one, samyama has a different meaning than it does in yoga-darshana. In fact, many different technical terms have different meanings in different darshanas or ways-of-seeing. No it doesn't - many of the terms used in Kashmere Shaivism mean the very same thing as in the Raja Yoga system of Patanjali. In addition, with the exception of the concept of 'Maya', many of the terms used in Kashmere Shaivism mean the very same thing in the Adwaita Vedanta espoused by the Adi Shankaracharya. In the samyama of this school, there is no outward stroke (vyutthana). This is almost a totally meaningless statement, Vaj. 'Samyama' is the combined, simultaneous practice of dharana, dhyana, and samadhi. That's TM you idiot! It's the very same thing in the Hindu Tantras. Samyama is activated subconsciously in non-structured form by any thinking activity and experiencing deep levels of trance induction or meditation. Kashmere Shaivism is a form of transcendental, realistic idealism; a form of absolute monism. According to Kashmere Shaivism, 'Cit' is pure consciousness - the One reality. Kashmir Shaivism resembles Hindu tantra, and both have as their key symbol the Shri Yantra, as I previously stated, which was established by the Adi Shankara in Kashmere and at the four principle mathas - Sringeri, Puri, Jyotir, Dwarka, and at Kanchi. In Kashmere Shaivism, the 'aham' bija mantra is considered to be a non-dual interior space of Lord Shiva, which supports the entire manifestation. 'Aham' in Kashmere Shaivism is the 'Supreme' bija mantra and is identical to Shakti. There should be repetition of it, and meditation on it. Kashmere Shaivism is called 'trika' based on the three fundamental states of consciousness: 1. ja-grat - waking state 2. svapna - dreaming 3. sus.upti - dreamless sleep Turiya is the fourth, which is pure consciousness, which is indescribable.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Smart Cars Hit America
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 2:42 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Smart Cars Hit America I saw one of these parked downtown the other day. Would you buy one? If they only get 40 mpg why wouldn't one by a Toyota Yaris instead which gets 40 mpg too and is only $12K plus more room? Plus they're more readily available, well maybe on a list now as when I pass the local dealership there aren't any parked there nor Prius model like there were last year. Looks like it being handled like yuppie fad. http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/ I saw one on Good Morning America the other day that gets 300 MPG. It can go from NYC to LA on one 10-gallon tank of gas. Costs in the high $20K's. Don't remember the name of it. Very streamlined and far-out looking.
[FairfieldLife] Is Bush Going to Throw the Election with Iran War?
I would not put it past that piece of human filth, Bush, to launch a war on Iran. Possibly following the strikes that we hear that those crazy Israelis are about to launch on Iran since there will probably be retaliation. The May 8 letter from U.S. Rep. John Conyers Jr., D-Mich., chair of the House Judiciary Committee, to George W. Bush received virtually no media coverage, in spite of the fact that it warned the president that an attack on Iran without Congressional approval would be grounds for impeachment. Rumor has it several senators have been briefed about the possibility of war with Iran. Something is afoot. Just what is not clear, but over the past several months, several moves by the White House strongly suggest that the Bush administration will attack Iran sometime in the near future. According to the Asia Times, a former assistant secretary of state still active in the foreign affairs community said an air attack will target the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Quds Force garrisons. Not even the White House is bonkers enough to put troops on the ground amid 65 million Iranians. More here: http://www.alternet.org/story/87079/ There is also a little reported item about chucklenuts (Bush) also declaring something short of Iraq being a US territory. I heard this morning that CBS news reported that Iraqis are taking to the streets over this (imagine Americans ever taking to the streets about anything the sheeple cowards): A secret deal being negotiated in Baghdad would perpetuate the American military occupation of Iraq indefinitely, regardless of the outcome of the US presidential election in November. The terms of the impending deal, details of which have been leaked to The Independent, are likely to have an explosive political effect in Iraq. Iraqi officials fear that the accord, under which US troops would occupy permanent bases, conduct military operations, arrest Iraqis and enjoy immunity from Iraqi law, will destabilise Iraq's position in the Middle East and lay the basis for unending conflict in their country. More here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/revealed-secret-plan-to-keep-iraq-under-us-control-840512.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras
I take issue with the Neo-Advaitin claim that suffering is eliminated. Well, I wasn't referring to 'Neo-Awaitin' claims - whatever they may be. But it's a fact that all but one system of Indian philosophy agrees with the Sankhya notion that life is essentially marked by suffering, with the exception of Mimamsa. This notion is based on the doctrine espoused by the historical Buddha, Shakya the Muni, and outlined in the 'Twelvefold Chain of Causation' and in the 'Four Noble Truths'. It's a fact that Patanjali begins the Yoga Sutras by declaring that life is essentially suffering caused by ignorance. But, the practice of any of the limbs of yoga does not bring the liberation. The main problem with Neo-Advaitinism is that is allows for no gradations or progressions of evolution. It seems: one has just to get it; and with an AHA!; all sufferings vanish. Remarkable! It's very remarkable, because apparently all we have to do is *realize* the truth of the non-dual. It's not a deep philosophical doctrine, in fact, it's dirt simple: 'There are not two; there is only One'. Only a sophist, a deluded, deep thinker would even entertain the idea of a complicated metaphysics that proposed a multitude of realities. Only a rascally group of city-slicker priests would dream up a fanciful cosmos filled with various spirits, jinns, and demons all hanging from a Jambudvipa tree, all trying to confuse the poor people and get in their pant pockets. It is an 'AHA' moment, as you say; it is a *realization* that there is only One Self, not a multitude of individual soul-monads, re-incarnating in various forms including humans, and sometimes, dwarfs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Black Family in the White House?
Sí se puede. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we do this thing? Why, yes. We can. Photo: http://www.iamtrex.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/obamafamily.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Black Family in the White House?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is Obama's skin color so important to you, do.rflex? Can't you judge a person solely on the basis of the content of their character? Who said it was important to 'me', Magoo? It's a *major* historic accomplishment that in the USA with it's ignorant racists and racist past that such an event can happen. In my opinion, you reduce their humanity by putting such an emphasis on race. Racist assholes are still abundant if you hadn't noticed, Magoo. Intersestingly, the right wing GOP Bush administration's approval rating among African Americans was not too long ago at 2%. No surprise there. A Polling Free-Fall Among Blacks By Dan Froomkin Washington Post, October 13, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/c59v5 In what may turn out to be one of the biggest free-falls in the history of presidential polling, President Bush's job-approval rating among African Americans has dropped to 2 percent, according to a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll. The drop among blacks drove Bush's overall job approval ratings to an all-time low of 39 percent in this poll. By comparison, 45 percent of whites and 36 percent of Hispanics approve of the job Bush is doing. A few months after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found Bush's approval rating among blacks at 51 percent. As recently as six months ago, it was at 19 percent
[FairfieldLife] 3 A.M. For Feminism
by Michelle Goldberg, The New Republic, 6.06.08 http://snipurl.com/2ec8o [www_tnr_com] An excellent analysis; a salient excerpt: For these supporters, Clinton's portrayal during the campaign has been anything but inspirational. They say the press has demonized and degraded her, and almost any zealous supporter can reel off a list of journalistic insults. The media is the real target of their rage, while the anger at Obama comes from the sense that he's benefited from it and failed to denounce misogyny the way he does racism. We thought we'd gotten past a lot of this stuff, and it turns out that we were deluding ourselves, Black says. When CNN calls Hillary a white bitch, when they talk about her cleavage, when the metaphor to describe her presentation is, oh, she reminds me of my wife when she's angry and tells me to take out the garbage, or when they mock that Hillary has the support of white women . . . I've been stunned by it. I've been flabbergasted by it. (CNN, of course, did not call Clinton a white bitch. The GOP consultant and McCain adviser Alex Castellanos did, or kind of did, on the network. But the way many Clinton supporters retell it is itself indicative of their distress.) Of course, Clinton has encountered straight-up misogyny--lots of it. At the same time, anger at obvious instances of sexism has expanded to encompass every setback she's faced, every jab thrown her way--the cut and thrust of any normal campaign. Several of her feminist defenders, for example, interpreted calls for Clinton to drop out, lest she cause a party rift, as expressions of condescending gender bias. The first woman ever to win a presidential primary is supposed to stop competing, to curtsy and exit stage right, Ellen Malcolm, founder and president of Emily's List, wrote in The Washington Post on May 10. But that wasn't anti-woman or even anti-Clinton; it was just Democratic politics. Similar worries were aired about Edward Kennedy in 1980--a Christian Science Monitor story claimed his to- the-bitter-end candidacy already may be irreparably splitting the Democratic Party--and about Jerry Brown in 1992, once Bill Clinton came near a mathematical lock on the nomination. Indeed, Clinton has never been just a victim of her gender. When it came to the deeper narratives of the campaign, Clinton benefited, as do many women in politics, from her good fortune of having married a successful political man. Hillary Clinton has spent only four more years than Obama in the Senate, but she was consistently assumed to be a more plausible commander-in-chief than her rival based on her time as First Lady. At the same time, it's been widely assumed that she's been entirely vetted, leaving many parts of her life--her disastrous leadership style on health care reform, her role in trying to silence and discredit Bill's mistresses, her husband's post-White House financial dealings--unexamined. The slimy right-wing rumor mill that tormented the Clintons in the '90s has directed its venom toward Obama: He's the one who has been depicted as a Muslim Manchurian candidate in a smear campaign that has gotten a dispiriting degree of traction.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 2:01 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:04 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:45 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: 44. What is meant by restraint in the centre of the brow? The left and right in the central channel. Seems like the translator doesn't know Sanskrit syntax very well. The last word of that suutra is a compound word: savyaapasavyasauSumneSu (savya-apasavya-sauSumneSu). Actually Mike is fluent in Sanskrit, although I never really liked his translation of the SS. Have you got any favourite translation of the above suutra? Shiva Sutras: The Supreme Awakening by Swami Lakshmanjoo He was the last living acharya of that tradition. My favorite translation of III 45 goes like this: 3-45 Concentrating on the center within the nose, what use are the left and the right channels or suSumna? naasikaantarmadhyasaMyamaat kimatra savyaapasavyasauSumNeSu 3-45 Concentrating (saMyamaat: ~performing saMyama) on the center within the nose (naasikaa+antar-madhya), what use are (kim atra: what here?) the left (savya: iDaa?) and the right (apasavya: pin.galaa?) channels or suSumna (sauSumNeSu)? http://www.shaivam.org/ssshivasuutra.htm As I believe I've explained here before, in an agama like this one, samyama has a different meaning than it does in yoga-darshana. In fact, many different technical terms have different meanings in different darshanas or ways-of-seeing. In the samyama of this school, there is no outward stroke (vyutthana). You seem to imply that e.g. in Patañjali's saMyama there is vyutthaana. IMO, the description of saMyama in the first four suutras of vibhuuti-paada doesn't seem to support that kind of view. Furthermore: sarvaarthaikaagratayoH kSayodayau cittasya samaadhi-pariNaamaH (*kSaya* of sarvaarthataa and *udaya* of ekaagrataa?)
[FairfieldLife] double your gas mileage with water ?
any expert mechanics here? does this work ? http://ezinearticles.com/?Water-4-Fuel---Double-Your-Gas-Mileageid=1018\ 731
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Insanity of the Age of Enlightment
Curtis wrote: It doesn't connect to any modern understanding of how the nervous system works. It melts together an ancient esoteric tradition with sciency sounding terms for marketing purposes. Isn't this just amazing - Ruth and Curtis don't see the connections, but I connect the dots every time I think about this. This is what is so infuriating about some deniers - almost every pronouncement they make is strictly anecdotal, or worse, totally made up on the spot. It makes me very suspicious that they have some kind of axe to grind. It's like, instead of forward thinking, logical analysis, it's almost reactionary! Why is that? I never saw a sincere desire in Maharishi to actually test any of this theories in a falsifiable form. Maybe so, but every theory doesn't have to be a double-blind scientific study. In fact, the vast majority of studies in the field of psychotherapy are not double-blind studies. He said it, we believed it, and that was good enough for a pretty long while. You're not the only on who believed it. From what I've read, the Marshy was pretty much spot on in his general analysis! As a method of stress reduction, meditation is often used in hospitals in cases of chronic or terminal illness to reduce complications associated with increased stress including a depressed immune system. There is growing agreement in the medical community that mental factors such as stress significantly contribute to a lack of physical health, and there is a growing movement in mainstream science to fund research in this area. Dr. Herbert Benson of the Mind-Body Medical Institute, which is affiliated with Harvard and several Boston hospitals, reports that meditation induces a host of biochemical and physical changes in the body collectively referred to as the 'relaxation response.' The relaxation response includes changes in metabolism, heart rate, respiration, blood pressure and brain chemistry. Benson and his team have also done clinical studies at Buddhist monasteries in the Himalayan Mountains. Source: Meditation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meditation Other references: Reference: 'The Mystery of Consciousness' By Steven Pinker Time Magazine, Friday, Jan. 19, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/3ck5qe 'The Science of Meditation' Time Magazine Cover Story, August 4, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/63xac5 'Just say Om' by Joel Stein Time Magazine, Sunday, Jul. 27, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/icu6 Links: The Mind Science Foundation 17 West El Prado Drive San Antonio, Texas http://www.mindscience.org/index.cfm Titles of interest: 'Meditation and Psychotherapy' A rationale for the integration of dynamic psychotherapy, the relaxation response, and mindfulness meditation. By H. Benson, I. Kutz and J. Borysenko American Journal of Psychiatry, 1985 PubMed abstract PMID 3881049 'Mind Science' by Charles T Tart, Ph.D Origin Press, 2000
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Bush Going to Throw the Election with Iran War?
Bhairitu wrote: I would not put it past that piece of human filth, Bush.. You sound really scared of the Bush, but you sound even more scared of fighting back against the terrorists. Why is that, Barry? The U.S. Congress has declared the Iranian Revolutionary Guards to be state sponsored terrorists. ...to launch a war on Iran. Well I would hope so - it may be the last chance we get, since the human doves may be taking office soon. But Obama has promised to do *everything* he can to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. The sad fact is, that if Obama takes office, he may wait until it's to late to do anything about it. You are going to vote for Obama, right? The amendment passed the Senate 76-22 on September 26 with many Democrats including Hillary Clinton voting in its favor. Kyl-Lieberman Amendment: http://tinyurl.com/2v9ybb Read more: 'Opportunism knocks, part 2' Posted by Scott Johnson Powerline, June 6, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5erboj At his speech on Wednesday to the America Israel Public Affairs Committee, Sen. Obama left behind his earlier limply dovish views and began issuing unconditionally hawkish statements: 'As president I will never compromise when it comes to Israeli security,' he said, and later declared: 'I will do everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Everything.' Read more: 'When in Israel ...' National Review Editorial, June 6, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5ovq68
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Bush Going to Throw the Election with Iran War?
Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: I would not put it past that piece of human filth, Bush.. You sound really scared of the Bush, but you sound even more scared of fighting back against the terrorists. You mean you aren't scared he might start a nuclear holocaust? I'm really just annoyed that Bush is even in office. And just who are the terrorists, Richard? Do you still believe in this war on terror or is it war on terra? Why is that, Barry? The U.S. Congress has declared the Iranian Revolutionary Guards to be state sponsored terrorists. Congress also recently declared war on MP3 downloaders. So are these Revolutionary Guards hiding under your bed or bridge? ...to launch a war on Iran. Well I would hope so - it may be the last chance we get, since the human doves may be taking office soon. But Obama has promised to do *everything* he can to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. The sad fact is, that if Obama takes office, he may wait until it's to late to do anything about it. Why do you think that? You are going to vote for Obama, right? Already did once. The amendment passed the Senate 76-22 on September 26 with many Democrats including Hillary Clinton voting in its favor. Kyl-Lieberman Amendment: http://tinyurl.com/2v9ybb Read more: 'Opportunism knocks, part 2' Posted by Scott Johnson Powerline, June 6, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5erboj At his speech on Wednesday to the America Israel Public Affairs Committee, Sen. Obama left behind his earlier limply dovish views and began issuing unconditionally hawkish statements: 'As president I will never compromise when it comes to Israeli security,' he said, and later declared: 'I will do everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Everything.' Read more: 'When in Israel ...' National Review Editorial, June 6, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5ovq68 We'll hold him to his pledge that he won't except contributions from lobbyists and that would surely include AIPAC. Israel can go its own way. We don't need to send them anymore tax payer dollars when its needed here for our infrastructure. I'm sure you'd agree on that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Insanity of the Age of Enlightment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a great topic Ruth, thanks for pursuing it. I believe it reveals the epistemological basis for the whole system: authority. This theory (which was first proposed by Maharishi including dual nervous systems, one to maintain pure consciousness and one to support activity until he was persuaded that this was just too wacky) was something that Maharishi cooked up as an explanation for Westerners. True to form he does not reveal its source which may be a hodge podge of traditional teachings about Samskaras with more modern ideas about stress. It isn't a bad belief as far as the practice of meditation goes. In fact it was very useful in getting students off a fascination with the content of their thoughts which I think is really a problem in some spiritual traditions. It shuts down the crazy notion that God gave you a message and you need to deliver it to everyone. Maharishi said If God himself comes and sits on your lap, just go back to the mantra. So in that sense it is useful, but is it true in a more profound sense? I doubt it. Judging by the source, I think it was an expedient concept without any regard to its accuracy. Maharishi was such a pragmatist in the early days that I think he would say anything to just keep the ball rolling. (a bigger and bigger organization) It doesn't connect to any modern understanding of how the nervous system works. It melts together an ancient esoteric tradition with sciency sounding terms for marketing purposes. I never saw a sincere desire in Maharishi to actually test any of this theories in a falsifiable form. He said it, we believed it, and that was good enough for a pretty long while. Thanks for bringing it back to MMY and I truly appreciate your background knowledge of him. My thoughts are similar to yours. The concept truly was useful so that people did not focus on their thoughts. It was also useful for people to believe bad thoughts were not the result of meditation and were not in and of themselves important. But the concept (1) is not scientifically sounds and (2) goes too far and leads to people drawing inappropriate conclusions about their thoughts and sensations. You might feel bad because you are depressed, not because you are unstressing. You might be thinking the same thoughts over and over because you are obsessive, not because you are unstressing. Or, your wife wonders why you are irritable all the time and spending too much time with the TMO and not enough time completing your education and deep down inside you know you are headed for divorce so you feel bad. This isn't unstressing, this isn't enlightenment, this is fucking up your life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Bush Going to Throw the Election with Iran War?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would not put it past that piece of human filth, Bush, to launch a war on Iran. Possibly following the strikes that we hear that those crazy Israelis are about to launch on Iran since there will probably be retaliation. The May 8 letter from U.S. Rep. John Conyers Jr., D-Mich., chair of the House Judiciary Committee, to George W. Bush received virtually no media coverage, in spite of the fact that it warned the president that an attack on Iran without Congressional approval would be grounds for impeachment. Rumor has it several senators have been briefed about the possibility of war with Iran. Something is afoot. Just what is not clear, but over the past several months, several moves by the White House strongly suggest that the Bush administration will attack Iran sometime in the near future. According to the Asia Times, a former assistant secretary of state still active in the foreign affairs community said an air attack will target the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Quds Force garrisons. Not even the White House is bonkers enough to put troops on the ground amid 65 million Iranians. More here: http://www.alternet.org/story/87079/ There is also a little reported item about chucklenuts (Bush) also declaring something short of Iraq being a US territory. I heard this morning that CBS news reported that Iraqis are taking to the streets over this (imagine Americans ever taking to the streets about anything the sheeple cowards): A secret deal being negotiated in Baghdad would perpetuate the American military occupation of Iraq indefinitely, regardless of the outcome of the US presidential election in November. The terms of the impending deal, details of which have been leaked to The Independent, are likely to have an explosive political effect in Iraq. Iraqi officials fear that the accord, under which US troops would occupy permanent bases, conduct military operations, arrest Iraqis and enjoy immunity from Iraqi law, will destabilise Iraq's position in the Middle East and lay the basis for unending conflict in their country. More here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/revealed-secret- plan-to-keep-iraq-under-us-control-840512.html * http://tinyurl.com/5k5h7e Israel would like to bomb Iran now ( a replay of their bombing of Iraq's nuclear reactor in 1981 http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/bstephens/?id=110010619 ), but I don't think they are capable of carrying out a mission of this size, which would require long-distance strikes at multiple targets, some possibly underground, requiring heavy munitions which Israeli planes could not carry at such distances, since they could not carry all that fuel and heavy munitions ( http://tinyurl.com/476mr2 ). So it would probably require a U.S. bombing raid on Iran (and it's likely to be an all-U.S. show since the Israelis have nothing to offer in a mission like this except intel), but I don't see Bush doing this before the election, as it would definitely hurt McCain overall (although he would pick up votes in FL). The most likely timing for such a bombing raid would be after the election, in Bush's remaining few weeks, when he could not damage McCain's electability or make McCain the heavy right out of the gate after he wins by having to launch the attack after Jan 20 2009).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Insanity of the Age of Enlightment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a great topic Ruth, thanks for pursuing it. I believe it reveals the epistemological basis for the whole system: authority. This theory (which was first proposed by Maharishi including dual nervous systems, one to maintain pure consciousness and one to support activity until he was persuaded that this was just too wacky) was something that Maharishi cooked up as an explanation for Westerners. True to form he does not reveal its source which may be a hodge podge of traditional teachings about Samskaras with more modern ideas about stress. It isn't a bad belief as far as the practice of meditation goes. In fact it was very useful in getting students off a fascination with the content of their thoughts which I think is really a problem in some spiritual traditions. It shuts down the crazy notion that God gave you a message and you need to deliver it to everyone. Maharishi said If God himself comes and sits on your lap, just go back to the mantra. So in that sense it is useful, but is it true in a more profound sense? I doubt it. Judging by the source, I think it was an expedient concept without any regard to its accuracy. Maharishi was such a pragmatist in the early days that I think he would say anything to just keep the ball rolling. (a bigger and bigger organization) It doesn't connect to any modern understanding of how the nervous system works. It melts together an ancient esoteric tradition with sciency sounding terms for marketing purposes. I never saw a sincere desire in Maharishi to actually test any of this theories in a falsifiable form. He said it, we believed it, and that was good enough for a pretty long while. Thanks for bringing it back to MMY and I truly appreciate your background knowledge of him and other traditions. My thoughts are similar to yours. The concept was useful so that people did not focus on their thoughts. It was also useful for people to believe bad thoughts were not the result of meditation and were not in and of themselves important. But the concept (1) is not scientifically sound and (2)leads to some people drawing inappropriate conclusions about their thoughts and sensations. You might feel bad because you are depressed, not because you are unstressing. You might be thinking the same thoughts over and over because you are obsessive, not because you are unstressing. Or, your wife wonders why you are irritable all the time and spending too much time with the TMO and not enough time completing your education and deep down inside you know you are headed for divorce so you feel bad. This isn't unstressing, this isn't enlightenment, this is fucking up your life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Insanity of the Age of Enlightment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 12:38 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: An example is the head twitching and vocalizations all my meditator friends made when learning the sidhis, which they perceived as a release of stress. I perceived it differently. Most of it I thought was due to suggestibility (stress is going to be released, others made noise, I make noise, others twitch, I twitch). Some may have been due to the stress (yes I said stress) of too much meditating. So, instead of perceiving it as unstressing, I perceived it as a problem resulting from too much meditation or too much group suggestibility. These twitchings and vocalizations are talked of in traditional literature and often referred to as kriyas or purificatory actions. It refers to the spontaneous purification of the nadis--much like acupuncture meridians in traditional Chinese acupuncture clearing themselves of blockages in the flow of chi. This idea of subtle body purification was popularized by Swami Muktananda in the west and the idea of this may have crept into the TM org mythos. But this is not a random thing where you just thrash around and start babbling though, it's believed to be the way the bodies innate intelligence, prana, unravels it's path in a spontaneously intelligent manner. Consequently, yogis whose teachers jump start them through shaktipat can spontaneously begin unusual breathing patterns and rates along with spontaneous yoga asanas which roto-rooter out the quantum mechanical body, the subtle illusory/imaginary body that allegedly underlies the physical nervous system. But not everyone goes through something necessarily obvious externally. In an org like the TMO where the knowledge is given in a very sketchy and incomplete manner, it leaves a place where subliminal ideas like this can take root and spread subconsciously, almost like a subliminal virus. At the level of the materialistic brain and nervous system, as one progresses from relaxation states (alpha waves) to deep meditation (delta and gamma) this challenges the brain to follow new neural nets and pathways to accommodate these different states of mind/ consciousness. As this occurs, it places a stress on the brain and nervous system to adapt to a new way of coping with these new patterns. A neuroplastic mechanism in the brain begins a slow process of change over months of time as the brain essentially rewires itself to allow these more integrated functioning's of the nervous system. Cerebral perfusion patterns likely begin to change as well. So this could explain some of the things that happen with deep meditators, but where you have a technique that languishes (for many people) in alpha relaxation stages, the neural nets change, but not necessarily in an evolutionary direction in terms of a changing and more integrated consciousness. In a case like that you end up falling asleep during meditation a lot and you become susceptible to subtle moodmakings since the cogitating mind isn't moving towards a place where thought cessation can occur as a engrained habit and lateral hemispheric predominance cannot shift away from left brain patterns. I always found it interesting that kriyas and some TMSP pathologies actually resemble certain certain disease processes. It's as if one gets Tourette's like syndromes which some people can never fully recover from without further help. That's not to say some don't benefit, some can, but no meditation technique should be taught if the further practices which rescue one from unassailable problems (like the TMSPers which got a long-term Tourette's like symptoms) cannot be applied. It's simply unethical IMO. I can almost hear some TM teacher guessing his way through an explanation where the student is told they probably had Tourette's as a latent tendency in their nervous system and it was their genetic karmic to go through this level of purification. It's a good thing. A little knowledge, too little knowledge, can be a dangerous thing. Interesting comments. My impression was that the tics generally just disappeared in time, especially if the meditator was not practicing group meditation. I wondered at the time if the tics could be suppressed without later blow back.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Black Family in the White House?
I know rednecks that call themselves conservatives who are nuts about the prospects of pig feet eating watermellon slurping blacks gon be eatin water mellon in the white house satvadude108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sí se puede. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex wrote: Can we do this thing? Why, yes. We can. Photo: http://www.iamtrex.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/obamafamily.jpg To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Jai MahaLakshmi.....was/Black Family in the White House?
The current Whitehouse is the extreme end of the darkness. Obama is a bright light by comparison. Apart from Ron Paul he is the only one of the contenders who, like many laypersons here, had the correct attitude about the Iraq war from the beginning. Go OBAMA ! ! ! Jai MahaLakshmi. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we do this thing? Why, yes. We can. Photo: http://www.iamtrex.com/wp- content/uploads/2008/06/obamafamily.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Kirpal Singh on Life beyond Death
from http://www.santhakar.tripod.com (Kirpal Singh - died 1974 on exiting from the physical body at will). This is an advanced Sidhi in the Kriya Yoga tradition. Life Beyond Death Saints say that Nature has designed man to leave his physical body at will, transcend to higher spiritual planes, and then return to the body. They help each aspirant personally and each receives a practical experience, however little it may be, during the very first sitting at the time of Initiation. A person who is competent to give a man this Personal experience of withdrawal or separation (temporary) from the body, and who can thus put him on the way back to God, is a genuine Master, Saint or Satguru. The heads of different religious organizations were intended to do just this, but we may judge for ourselves their efficacy today. The first-hand experience we receive, through the kindness of a real Saint, is in itself the solution to the problem of death. According to the Bible, 'Unless you are born anew, you cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven'. So to be born anew is to leave one's body and enter into the beyonda transition from the physical to the astral plane. Some day we have to leave this temporary structure, which like a building of bricks and mortar, deteriorates with time. There is no appeal to the Laws of Nature against the 'Death Sentence. We fear death because of the agony and suffering which it brings, and also about the uncertainty that lies ahead in the Beyond. We fear illness because it brings us near death's door; so we struggle to live though we know that our end is certain. No soothing words from doctors, friends, relatives or priests can bring peace and comfort to our minds at the time that Nature's destructive process commences. This is the natural course of things and we cannot deceive Nature. What then is the remedy? There is only one way out of this abyss of despair, which is to adopt and accustom ourselves, during our lifetime, to Nature's process of the withdrawal of the spirit current from the body, while still in a conscious state. This may be done with the help of a Master, and may be accomplished without any suffering or trouble whatsoever. This is not only a possibility but is a remarkable fact. Our joy will know no bounds when we come into possession of the secret that has baffled man for so many centuries. We become Supermen, having possession of a key to peace and heaven, the life of which we had till then only read about in sacred scriptures. Arise, therefore, and awake! before it is too late to put this Science into practice. If we observe closely the process of death in a dying man, we see the pupils of his eyes turn upwards a little (afterwards they may return to normal), and then he becomes senseless. But when they draw upwards too much, he dies. Life ebbs out via the root of the eyes and becomes disconnected from the ties of the physical body and the sense organs. Knowledge of this process and the method by which we may travel this Way during our very lifetime, is the solution to the problem of death. No physical exercises are necessary; there are no drugs to swallow and no blind faith to cultivate. The mystery of life and death is solved easily with the help of a Master-Saint, who will give you an experience of the process and put you on the highway to the inner realms. Even when acting indirectly through an authorized agent, he still remains the responsible power. Distance is immaterial to the Masters. What is there to be gained by this process? This cannot be described in words. At the time of Initiation, the aspirant sees the real Light within him, whereas normally the inner eye iscovered by a thick veil of darkness. He then realizes that the tradition of the lighted candle found in churches and temples is to remind him of the Divine Light of Heaven within. This Light grows to the radiance of several suns put together as he advances on the Way. He understands that the unceasing internal Sound he contacts within is the Divine Link called 'Word' by Christ, 'Kalma' and 'Nida-i-Asmani' in the Quran, 'Nad' in the Vedas, 'Udgit' in the Upanishads, 'Sarosha' by the Zoroastrians and 'Naam and Shabd' by the Saints and Masters. In time, he meets the Master within, talks to him face to face and is henceforth certain of his grace, guidance and protection wherever he may go, even to the other end of the world. With such evident proofs before him, he is now confident of himself and of the Science. Only then can he be called a theist in the true sense of the word and can smile at those who talk of religion as a fool's paradise, a phantom conjured up by crafty priests, and the opium of the masses. He has found a sure ingress through the doorway of heaven in this life, and is on the threshold of viewing, both internally and externally, the secrets of Nature. He is verily 'knocking at the door of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Insanity of the Age of Enlightment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ruth wrote: An example is the head twitching and vocalizations all my meditator friends made when learning the sidhis, which they perceived as a release of stress. We are not discussiong the 'TM-Sidhi Program', Ruth, we're just talking about plain old 'TM', a simple meditation that is transcendental. Plain TM is for relief of stress and strain - the siddhis are for obtaining an energizing enthusiasm AFTER you have practiced plain TM for about twenty minutes. ...the rest of your post is irrelevant to the points I was trying to make and you are still confusing unstressing with stress. Maybe so, but I don't think so, Ruth. In a nutshell, there's really no such thing as 'stress', in psychotherapy or medicine, that's just a word made up by Han Selye. There's no 'eu-tress', or Marshy 'unstress' - these are just phrases used by people in order to facilitate communications in a discussion. There's no medical definition of 'stress'. Oh Richard, you are so patronizing. I would blow off your post, but there is a nugget below that I want to discuss: In reality, there's only 'suffering', that is, lamentation and grief, brought on by karma or the samskaras of everyday life. All these apparent maladies can be corrected and erased by *dispelling* the illusion of an individual *soul-monad*. When you realize this, all discontent and mental suffering come to an end, you are liberated: you know that you are free and immortal. You don't have to be reborn or come back anymore. snip- you will be liberated from suffering. snip It's a simple as that. I am of the belief that what makes humans great is empathy. I also believe that there is no empathy without pain. I loved my parents. They suffered and died and I felt their suffering and I felt grief when they died. And I know it is the way of the world and one day I may suffer the same and certainly one day I shall die. I do not believe that enlightenment is life without pain. Instead, maybe just maybe, you realize that there is no love without pain and that pain is OK. The greatest flaw of MMY appears to me to be his lack of empathy.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics
Spiritual techniques are free for all humans. They've been published long, long ago and are all in the public domain. If there's one reason it should be known, it should be to show how megalomaniacal bhogis distort tradition. That's the only thing being hidden here (well, and a thousand other foibles). Hi Vaj I agree with you !!! the spiritual knowledge should be liberates - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Promises and Ethics On Jun 5, 2008, at 8:54 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Jun 5, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Amazing to me that people blame someone else when they lack moral character. It must be the movement's fault that I didn't keep my promise. Somehow this justifies my lack of ethics. It's a broad excuse to justify anything and everything. Just look at what you wrote, I don't believe that the TMO should get away scot-free, so therefore YOU are going to be the one chosen to deliver whatever you deem fair recompense for (again broad undescribable term)the TMO. Anything goes right? Maybe there could be some level of honor and still maintain a discussion without lowering yourself to breaking of legal contracts that you signed. Which ones have I broken? JOOC, what brought on this whole rant? Surely it couldn't have been my obvious joke about the 6th AT. And what makes her think you've broken any promises? And why single out just you? Spiritual techniques are free for all humans. They've been published long, long ago and are all in the public domain. If there's one reason it should be known, it should be to show how megalomaniacal bhogis distort tradition. That's the only thing being hidden here (well, and a thousand other foibles).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ADVANCED TECNIQUES NUNBER 6
How would you be knowing anything about 'Advanced Techniques' unless you paid thousands of dollars over a period of years in order to fatten the TMO coffers? I gave money for techniques, I did not take money as a teacher...I think we all thought the latter was the point you were trying to hammer home before. anonymous informant. You have surely not contributed one single message that would help any of us understand the mechanics of consciousness. You have read ever one of my messages, including ones from earlier IDs? --- On Fri, 6/6/08, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: ADVANCED TECNIQUES NUNBER 6 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 12:09 PM You guys sold water down by the river for years! You lied your heads off in the employ of the Marshy. gullible fool wrote: You don't know what you're talking about. This in itself, is a TMO status claim. Otherwise you'd probably have no reason to post messages here in the first place. How would you be knowing anything about 'Advanced Techniques' unless you paid thousands of dollars over a period of years in order to fatten the TMO coffers? I was never a TM teacher. Maybe so, but either way, you're still a bigot and guilty of selling water down by the river, even if you never took a dime and gave it to the Marshy to send to his relatives in India. You once lied your head off, even if you were not in the employ of the Marshy. You're still lying your head off as an anonymous informant. You have surely not contributed one single message that would help any of us understand the mechanics of consciousness. That's my point. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Obama an enlightened being? / Spiritual wise ones say: This sure ain't no ordinary politician. You buying it?
I also read or heard someone's interpretation of a portion of the 'Dead Sea Scrolls'... And it went like this: The premise of a lot of the narrative of the Dead Sea Scrolls, is that the 'Son's of Light' confront the 'Sons of darkness'... So, that is the theme of the whole deal. In Jesus time, since he was an essene, this tribe was very much in contrast to the tribes in Jerusulam, who were more like the Roman power structure. So, in this time, the scrolls mention that in this time we are in now; That we would have a leader who 'Would lead people astray with his lieing toungue'... And that this lying snake would be replaced with a 'Righteous Leader, who would lead people into the light'... So, on a grand scale, Barack Obama is that person: a righteous person, who will lead people in the truth. It's a new world, like it or not... R.G. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL nl=fix nl=fix I don't know asbout that, but he carries a silence and presence about him that I recognized instantly. Pretty powerful guy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Insanity of the Age of Enlightment
--I'm sure Jesus Christ would agree with you, Ruth. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Ruth wrote: An example is the head twitching and vocalizations all my meditator friends made when learning the sidhis, which they perceived as a release of stress. We are not discussiong the 'TM-Sidhi Program', Ruth, we're just talking about plain old 'TM', a simple meditation that is transcendental. Plain TM is for relief of stress and strain - the siddhis are for obtaining an energizing enthusiasm AFTER you have practiced plain TM for about twenty minutes. ...the rest of your post is irrelevant to the points I was trying to make and you are still confusing unstressing with stress. Maybe so, but I don't think so, Ruth. In a nutshell, there's really no such thing as 'stress', in psychotherapy or medicine, that's just a word made up by Han Selye. There's no 'eu-tress', or Marshy 'unstress' - these are just phrases used by people in order to facilitate communications in a discussion. There's no medical definition of 'stress'. Oh Richard, you are so patronizing. I would blow off your post, but there is a nugget below that I want to discuss: In reality, there's only 'suffering', that is, lamentation and grief, brought on by karma or the samskaras of everyday life. All these apparent maladies can be corrected and erased by *dispelling* the illusion of an individual *soul-monad*. When you realize this, all discontent and mental suffering come to an end, you are liberated: you know that you are free and immortal. You don't have to be reborn or come back anymore. snip- you will be liberated from suffering. snip It's a simple as that. I am of the belief that what makes humans great is empathy. I also believe that there is no empathy without pain. I loved my parents. They suffered and died and I felt their suffering and I felt grief when they died. And I know it is the way of the world and one day I may suffer the same and certainly one day I shall die. I do not believe that enlightenment is life without pain. Instead, maybe just maybe, you realize that there is no love without pain and that pain is OK. The greatest flaw of MMY appears to me to be his lack of empathy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Bush Going to Throw the Election with Iran War?
- Sounds like a reasonable plan Bob, thanks -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I would not put it past that piece of human filth, Bush, to launch a war on Iran. Possibly following the strikes that we hear that those crazy Israelis are about to launch on Iran since there will probably be retaliation. The May 8 letter from U.S. Rep. John Conyers Jr., D-Mich., chair of the House Judiciary Committee, to George W. Bush received virtually no media coverage, in spite of the fact that it warned the president that an attack on Iran without Congressional approval would be grounds for impeachment. Rumor has it several senators have been briefed about the possibility of war with Iran. Something is afoot. Just what is not clear, but over the past several months, several moves by the White House strongly suggest that the Bush administration will attack Iran sometime in the near future. According to the Asia Times, a former assistant secretary of state still active in the foreign affairs community said an air attack will target the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Quds Force garrisons. Not even the White House is bonkers enough to put troops on the ground amid 65 million Iranians. More here: http://www.alternet.org/story/87079/ There is also a little reported item about chucklenuts (Bush) also declaring something short of Iraq being a US territory. I heard this morning that CBS news reported that Iraqis are taking to the streets over this (imagine Americans ever taking to the streets about anything the sheeple cowards): A secret deal being negotiated in Baghdad would perpetuate the American military occupation of Iraq indefinitely, regardless of the outcome of the US presidential election in November. The terms of the impending deal, details of which have been leaked to The Independent, are likely to have an explosive political effect in Iraq. Iraqi officials fear that the accord, under which US troops would occupy permanent bases, conduct military operations, arrest Iraqis and enjoy immunity from Iraqi law, will destabilise Iraq's position in the Middle East and lay the basis for unending conflict in their country. More here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/revealed- secret- plan-to-keep-iraq-under-us-control-840512.html * http://tinyurl.com/5k5h7e Israel would like to bomb Iran now ( a replay of their bombing of Iraq's nuclear reactor in 1981 http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/bstephens/?id=110010619 ), but I don't think they are capable of carrying out a mission of this size, which would require long-distance strikes at multiple targets, some possibly underground, requiring heavy munitions which Israeli planes could not carry at such distances, since they could not carry all that fuel and heavy munitions ( http://tinyurl.com/476mr2 ). So it would probably require a U.S. bombing raid on Iran (and it's likely to be an all-U.S. show since the Israelis have nothing to offer in a mission like this except intel), but I don't see Bush doing this before the election, as it would definitely hurt McCain overall (although he would pick up votes in FL). The most likely timing for such a bombing raid would be after the election, in Bush's remaining few weeks, when he could not damage McCain's electability or make McCain the heavy right out of the gate after he wins by having to launch the attack after Jan 20 2009).
[FairfieldLife] Posts Rollover Time
Most everyone was well behaved this week. Willy stepped over by 1 only. New week starts now or 7 PM CDT. Start Date (UTC): Sat May 31 00:00:00 2008 End Date (UTC): Sat Jun 7 00:00:00 2008 -- Searching... 628 messages as of (UTC) Fri Jun 6 23:44:15 2008 Member Posts Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 51 authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 50 TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]49 sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]38 Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] 32 Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]31 curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] 31 off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 26 Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED]26 shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22 Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19 cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18 yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17 bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15 Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15 do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15 ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED]14 Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]13 Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED]11 dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]9 Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8 gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7 boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED]7 sgrayatlarge [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6 Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]6 Marcelo [EMAIL PROTECTED]6 tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5 feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED]5 m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5 amarnath [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4 artkonrad [EMAIL PROTECTED]4 Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4 satvadude108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4 R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED]3 new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 marciohal [EMAIL PROTECTED]3 nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED]2 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com2 Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]2 John [EMAIL PROTECTED]2 sriswamijisadhaka [EMAIL PROTECTED]2 yermama472 [EMAIL PROTECTED]2 aztjbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 Brian Horsfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 seekliberation [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 okpeachman2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]1 lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 Richard M [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED]1 Zoran Krneta [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED]1 pranamoocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 michael [EMAIL PROTECTED]1 mukesh bhatia [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 Terton Zeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED]1 drjmercay [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 posters: 64
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Insanity of the Age of Enlightment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --I'm sure Jesus Christ would agree with you, Ruth. Yes, I thought of the Christ analogy. Oddly, I am not a Christian and do not come from a Christian background. And I certainly do not believe that Christ's suffering or your own suffering buys you anything.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 3 A.M. For Feminism
Has anyone seen the new republican add. Oh Boy. But the thing that makes it good is that they are very bad at timing . They are coming out strong in the beginning after three or four debates people will forget about this add. Yet they will not forget when they make McCain look like he has some sort of brain defect on national television. They wont forget when he does not remember his own votes. Then they should make a commercial showing Reagan in the last years of his second term, George Bush Jr. Telling people he had to avenge his daddy and McCain DA! I did not vote on that bill Da! I dont remember Da1 I voted but it doesn't matter 100 years..DA! If you have not seen the add you can see it at www.Thismuchleft.com It is a good kick in the stomach but the timing sucks. especially because Obama has already won the nomination. Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by Michelle Goldberg, The New Republic, 6.06.08 http://snipurl.com/2ec8o [www_tnr_com] An excellent analysis; a salient excerpt: For these supporters, Clinton's portrayal during the campaign has been anything but inspirational. They say the press has demonized and degraded her, and almost any zealous supporter can reel off a list of journalistic insults. The media is the real target of their rage, while the anger at Obama comes from the sense that he's benefited from it and failed to denounce misogyny the way he does racism. We thought we'd gotten past a lot of this stuff, and it turns out that we were deluding ourselves, Black says. When CNN calls Hillary a white bitch, when they talk about her cleavage, when the metaphor to describe her presentation is, oh, she reminds me of my wife when she's angry and tells me to take out the garbage, or when they mock that Hillary has the support of white women . . . I've been stunned by it. I've been flabbergasted by it. (CNN, of course, did not call Clinton a white bitch. The GOP consultant and McCain adviser Alex Castellanos did, or kind of did, on the network. But the way many Clinton supporters retell it is itself indicative of their distress.) Of course, Clinton has encountered straight-up misogyny--lots of it. At the same time, anger at obvious instances of sexism has expanded to encompass every setback she's faced, every jab thrown her way--the cut and thrust of any normal campaign. Several of her feminist defenders, for example, interpreted calls for Clinton to drop out, lest she cause a party rift, as expressions of condescending gender bias. The first woman ever to win a presidential primary is supposed to stop competing, to curtsy and exit stage right, Ellen Malcolm, founder and president of Emily's List, wrote in The Washington Post on May 10. But that wasn't anti-woman or even anti-Clinton; it was just Democratic politics. Similar worries were aired about Edward Kennedy in 1980--a Christian Science Monitor story claimed his to- the-bitter-end candidacy already may be irreparably splitting the Democratic Party--and about Jerry Brown in 1992, once Bill Clinton came near a mathematical lock on the nomination. Indeed, Clinton has never been just a victim of her gender. When it came to the deeper narratives of the campaign, Clinton benefited, as do many women in politics, from her good fortune of having married a successful political man. Hillary Clinton has spent only four more years than Obama in the Senate, but she was consistently assumed to be a more plausible commander-in-chief than her rival based on her time as First Lady. At the same time, it's been widely assumed that she's been entirely vetted, leaving many parts of her life--her disastrous leadership style on health care reform, her role in trying to silence and discredit Bill's mistresses, her husband's post-White House financial dealings--unexamined. The slimy right-wing rumor mill that tormented the Clintons in the '90s has directed its venom toward Obama: He's the one who has been depicted as a Muslim Manchurian candidate in a smear campaign that has gotten a dispiriting degree of traction. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [FairfieldLife] Posts Rollover Time
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:47 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Posts Rollover Time Most everyone was well behaved this week. Willy stepped over by 1 only. New week starts now or 7 PM CDT. LET'S ROLL! I really appreciate your doing this Bhairitu.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras
---You still haven't provided any evidence (aside from your usual appeal to dead Authorities) that Self-Realization eliminates suffering DURING one's physical lifetime. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I take issue with the Neo-Advaitin claim that suffering is eliminated. Well, I wasn't referring to 'Neo-Awaitin' claims - whatever they may be. But it's a fact that all but one system of Indian philosophy agrees with the Sankhya notion that life is essentially marked by suffering, with the exception of Mimamsa. This notion is based on the doctrine espoused by the historical Buddha, Shakya the Muni, and outlined in the 'Twelvefold Chain of Causation' and in the 'Four Noble Truths'. It's a fact that Patanjali begins the Yoga Sutras by declaring that life is essentially suffering caused by ignorance. But, the practice of any of the limbs of yoga does not bring the liberation. The main problem with Neo-Advaitinism is that is allows for no gradations or progressions of evolution. It seems: one has just to get it; and with an AHA!; all sufferings vanish. Remarkable! It's very remarkable, because apparently all we have to do is *realize* the truth of the non-dual. It's not a deep philosophical doctrine, in fact, it's dirt simple: 'There are not two; there is only One'. Only a sophist, a deluded, deep thinker would even entertain the idea of a complicated metaphysics that proposed a multitude of realities. Only a rascally group of city-slicker priests would dream up a fanciful cosmos filled with various spirits, jinns, and demons all hanging from a Jambudvipa tree, all trying to confuse the poor people and get in their pant pockets. It is an 'AHA' moment, as you say; it is a *realization* that there is only One Self, not a multitude of individual soul-monads, re-incarnating in various forms including humans, and sometimes, dwarfs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Clintons' character
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rep. Rob Andrews, who supported Hillary Clinton throughout the primary season, disclosed he received a phone call shortly before the April 22 Pennsylvania primary from a top member of Clinton's organization and that the caller explicitly discussed a strategy of winning Jewish voters by exploiting tensions between Jews and African-Americans. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/06/superdelegate_says_clinton_cam. html WTF? There's nothing on that page.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Clintons' character
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: Rep. Rob Andrews, who supported Hillary Clinton throughout the primary season, disclosed he received a phone call shortly before the April 22 Pennsylvania primary from a top member of Clinton's organization and that the caller explicitly discussed a strategy of winning Jewish voters by exploiting tensions between Jews and African-Americans. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/06/superdelegate_says_clinton_cam. html WTF? There's nothing on that page. OK, now there is. Looks to me like it's a lot more about Andrews's character than Clinton's.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The L-word
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Hillary's stance is all about one word. It has been dogging her since college, and all the way through her political life. She has been unable to ever put that word *into* words and apply it to herself, even when it fits. She lives in a world of illusion, in which What Hillary wants is all-important and nothing else matters, even the fate of her political party and her country. She's more than willing to flush both down the toilet rather than speaking the word and applying it to herself. Time to name names and stop pussy-footing around the issue. The L-word that Hillary is afraid to apply to herself is finally, and blessedly, obvious to everyone around her, and everyone in the nation. Loser. Poor Barry. I mean, he's far away from the action, but it's still hard to believe he could be *this* out of touch--not just about Hillary now, but about her entire career, for most of which he was still living in this country. From the article Marek posted an excerpt of, by Michelle Goldberg in The New Republic: One of the central premises of [second-wave feminism] was that women had been artificially set against each other, and that, if they could unite behind their common interests, they could revolutionize their roles in the world. In the mid-'70s, elite young women were already pondering who could break the ultimate glass ceiling, and among their candidates was an impassioned young lawyer, Hillary Rodham, deemed an icon of her generation by Life magazine after her 1969 Wellesley commencement speech. In his biography of Hillary Clinton, Carl Bernstein describes Betsey Wright, later Bill Clinton's gubernatorial chief of staff, imploring Bill not to marry Hillary, take her off to Arkansas, and thus spoil her chance at becoming the first female president. I really started in on how he couldn't do that. He shouldn't do that, Wright said. That he could find anybody he wanted to be a political wife, but we'd . . . never find anyone like her to run for office ...For many of those who remember Hillary Rodham, her reemergence as a political power in her own right seems a kind of generational redemption. She's the candidate that I have wanted for decades, says Allida Black. I had heard about Hillary for a good fifteen years before Bill ran in '92, and I was for Bill because of Hillary. From an email by Ellen Malcolm, president of EMILY's List, to the group's members: For months we have watched two extraordinary, history-making Democratic candidates battle it out for the presidential nomination. Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton competed in every state, unleashing a tidal wave of enthusiasm and support. Hillary Clinton has honored all women with her historic campaign. She stood up against all odds and harsh criticism with courage, grace, and dignity. At every turn in this long journey she has filled me with tremendous pride. And now that it is over, I wholeheartedly congratulate Barack Obama. What a triumph for our new leader! He has inspired millions of Americans and shown that he is more than ready to take on John McCain. While women still face serious hurdles in reaching the highest levels of elected office, Hillary has laid to rest any doubts about whether a woman has what it takes to run for president. She showed Americans and the world that she has the strength, intelligence, determination, and passion to handle the enormous responsibilities of the presidency, including those of commander-in-chief. When the media predicted her doom, she never faltered. In every debate she was eloquent and persuasive. Her resilience under the harsh national spotlight will make it easier for every woman candidate who follows her. Voters in every state and territory were drawn to Hillary's message of progressive change, and they turned out in force, giving her almost 18 million votes -- more than any presidential primary candidate in history. She emerges from this campaign an even more powerful national leader. And I know she will use that power to help Democrats, including Sen. Obama, win, and to make a profound difference on issues like health care reform, energy independence, and economic policy. As I've spoken to EMILY's List members, especially recently, I know we have experienced this primary from different perspectives. Those who supported Sen. Obama are tremendously exhilarated that he is our nominee. I respect your choice and congratulate you for being part of an historic campaign. Those of us who have been wholehearted supporters of Sen. Clinton feel disappointment and sadness, even anger, that this opportunity to elect a fine candidate and the first woman president is passing us by. So many EMILY's List members put their all into this campaign -- money, yes, but also time and energy traveling to primary states, working phone banks, and canvassing precincts. My heart is with you, as I am
[FairfieldLife] Re: The L-word
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Time to name names and stop pussy-footing around the issue. The L-word that Hillary is afraid to apply to herself is finally, and blessedly, obvious to everyone around her, and everyone in the nation. Loser. A Girl Worth Fighting For What Hillary did right. By Bruce Reed Friday, June 6, 2008 The Fight of Her Life: Ten years ago, at a White House farewell for a favorite staff member, Hillary Clinton described the two kinds of people in the world: born optimists like her husband who see the glass as half-full, and born realists like herself who can see the glass is half-empty. As she ends her campaign and throws her support behind Barack Obama's remarkable quest, Hillary could be forgiven for seeing her glass as, quite literally, half-empty. The two candidates traded primary after primary down the stretch, two titans matching each other vote for vote. In the closest race in the modern era, she and Obama split the Democratic wishbone nearly right down the middle, but she's not the one who got her wish. Yet for Hillary and the 18 million of us who supported her, there is no shame in one historic campaign coming up just short against another. History is a great deal wiser than Chris Matthews, and will be kinder, too. The 2008 contest has been one for the ages, and the annals will show that Hillary Clinton has gained far more than she lost. The Obama-Clinton match will go down as the longest, closest, most exciting, most exhausting ever. Obama ran an inspired campaign and seized the moment. Clinton came close, and by putting up a tough fight now, helped fortify him for the fight ahead. Our campaign made plenty of mistakes, none of which has gone unreported. But Hillary is right not to dwell on woulda, coulda, shoulda. From New Hampshire to South Dakota, the race she ran earned its own place in the history books. While the way we elect presidents leaves a lot to be desired, it has one redeeming virtue, as the greatest means ever invented to test what those who seek the job are made of. In our lifetimes, we'll be hard-pressed to find a candidate made of tougher stuff than Hillary Clinton. Most candidates leave a race diminished by it. Hillary is like tempered steel: the more intense the heat, the tougher she gets. And has any candidate had to face fiercer, more sustained heat? As a frontrunner, she expected a tough ride, and as Hillary Clinton, she was accustomed to it. But if she was used to the scrutiny, she could not have anticipated and did not deserve the transparent hostility behind it. In much the same way the right wing came unglued when her husband refused to die in the '90s, the media lost its bearings when she defied and survived them. Slate at least held off on its noxious Hillary Deathwatch until March; most of the press corps began a breathless Clinton Deathwatch last Thanksgiving. The question that turned her campaign around in New Hampshire How do you do it? brought Hillary to tears out of sheer gratitude that someone out there had noticed. For a few searing days in New Hampshire, we watched her stare into the abyss. Any other candidate forced to read her own obituary so often would have come to believe it. But as she went on to demonstrate throughout this campaign, Hillary had faith that there is life after political death, and the wherewithal to prove it. In New Hampshire, she discarded the frontrunner mantle and found her voice. For a race that was largely won or lost in Iowa, the discovery came a few days too late. But the grit Clinton showed with her back to the wall all those months will make her a force with a following for years to come. The chief hurdle for Clinton's presidential bid wasn't whether she could do the job; Democrats never doubted she would make a good president. Ironically, the biggest question she faced for much of the race is one she answered clearly by the time she left it: whether America was ready for a woman president. No one asks that question any longer. For all the sexism she encountered as the first woman with a serious shot at the White House, voters themselves made clear they were ready. The longer the race went on, the more formidable she looked in the general election. In this week's CBS News poll, she was beating John McCain by nine points, even as she was losing the Democratic nomination. Last year, the press and other campaigns insisted that Clinton was too polarizing and that half the country was united against her. Now, a woman who was supposed to be one of the most polarizing figures in America leaves the race with handsome leads over McCain in places like North Carolina, a state her husband never carried. When her campaign started, aides often described Hillary as the least known, least understood famous person in America. During this campaign, it became clear that in certain quarters she's the most deliberately misunderstood person as
[FairfieldLife] Inspirational Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD-JBOB-JtA
[FairfieldLife] Re: The L-word
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Time to name names and stop pussy-footing around the issue. The L-word that Hillary is afraid to apply to herself is finally, and blessedly, obvious to everyone around her, and everyone in the nation. Loser. From the American Prospect's TAPPED blog: Seven Ways Hillary Clinton Changed Our Politics Political writers and policy thinkers weigh in. Hillary Clinton will announce tomorrow that she is suspending her presidential campaign. We asked seven leading political writers and policy thinkers to tell us one key way Clinton affected the 2008 Election, and progressive politics, over the course of the primary. Here's what they had to say: K.A. Geier: She Was a Front-runner, and She Stood Up For Women's Rights http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles? article=seven_ways_hillary_clinton_changed_our_politics#geier http://tinyurl.com/69nlnz Christopher Hayes: She Made Us Talk About Sexism http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles? article=seven_ways_hillary_clinton_changed_our_politics#hayes http://tinyurl.com/69nlnz Ed Kilgore: She Helped Create a United Democratic Front on Iraq http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles? article=seven_ways_hillary_clinton_changed_our_politics#kilgore http://tinyurl.com/69nlnz Paul Starr: She Figured Out Health Care http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles? article=seven_ways_hillary_clinton_changed_our_politics#starr http://tinyurl.com/69nlnz Rebecca Traister: She Kept Voters, and the Candidates, Engaged Until the End http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles? article=seven_ways_hillary_clinton_changed_our_politics#traister http://tinyurl.com/69nlnz Moira Whelan: She Provided Leadership on National Security Issues http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles? article=seven_ways_hillary_clinton_changed_our_politics#whelan http://tinyurl.com/69nlnz
[FairfieldLife] Re: Daily Show - Bizarre Interview with Clinton Spokesperson Terry McAuliffe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 4, 2008, at 1:39 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Senator Clinton Spokesperson Terry McAuliffe assures Jon Stewart that Hillary is going to the White House. Watch via: http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=10535 John, you have outdone yourself. This is one of the funniest things I have ever seen. I just can't *wait* for Judy to spin this one. I get the feeling he was kidding, but what do I know. He was funny though. Barry always burbles about how he admires people who can laugh at themselves, but apparently he doesn't know it when he sees it. And it's one thing to be able to laugh at yourself; it's quite another to be able to do it when your heart is breaking, as McAuliffe's was. For anyone who is familiar with McAuliffe, that was a very funny, but also a very poignant video.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's first test: Handling Hillary
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I look forward to Obama handling his detractors with assurance and finality in the coming months. If you've noticed, he is quite an effectve and subtle street fighter. Yes, his tactic of having his campaign and surrogates falsely smear the Clintons as race-baiters was extremely effective. So was his collaboration with the media to portray Hillary as having indicated she was staying in the race in the hope that Obama would be assassinated. Among other things. That's a really fine person you've hung your hopes on there. Such character; such integrity.
