[FairfieldLife] Re: The Not Happening Happening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do.rflex wrote: The best two movies I've seen in a very long time: 'There Will be Blood' and 'Atonement' But did you feel that Atonement was set in the late 1930s? It felt and seemed like an earlier period (until the war scenes of course). I kinda suspect that that was your misperception of the fashions involved, if it was the costumes that led you to believe that. By chance, I wound up having a conversation with a couple of gay Australian tourists in the cafe across the street from my house the other day. They needed to know how to connect to the WiFi in the cafe and we got to talking, and it came up that I was a movie freak and reviewed movies, and that one of them was a costume designer who had worked on Atonement and many other movies (including Gladiator and the new Ridley Scott movie, about to start film- ing). Nice guy, who talked a little about the process of trying to design costumes for a period piece, spending weeks pouring through the maga- zines of the era, trying to do it right. They may have screwed up the sets or the props, but if this guy was being...uh...straight about the amount of research that went into the costumes, Atone- ment was probably authentic on that level. The new Ridley Scott movie is a completely new take on Robin Hood. Sounds interesting.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, koesje1958 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This bad weather, etc. should not be happening, if the ME is valid. I sincerely believe there is a real possibility those young 19 year old Pandits needs a serious Meditation Checking as they may be straining in their TM Sidhi practice, doing some kind of migiven Concentration technique and thereby producing 0 ME. Isn't this a fascinating statement? First he says (paraphrased), If the bad weather is happening in Iowa, given what the TMO has said about the nature of the ME, then the ME itself is not valid. And THEN his conclusion is that there must be some- thing wrong with the way that the pundits are prac- ticing TM and the TM-siddhis. It's *unthinkable* that the ME itself is not valid. My suggestion is that you rethink your second para- graph or leave it out and stick with the first one. That's what people who are not desperately trying to shore up their belief in something they've bought into for years as Truth would do. Your approach is the same as that used to explain away serious side effects of TM practice in the past -- blame someone for not doing it right rather than to look into the practice itself. This technique was used to explain away hundreds of heavy unstressers at courses in Fiuggi, it was used to explain away a murder on the MUM campus, and it will be used in the future to explain away anything that doesn't jibe with the TM dogma. Another approach is to question the TM dogma. Occam's Razor, dude. The simplest explanation is most likely the correct explanation.
[FairfieldLife] Religious fanaticism squared (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, koesje1958 koesje1958@ wrote: This bad weather, etc. should not be happening, if the ME is valid. * The ME was a attempt to point out that rising consciousness did have a positive influence beyond the individuals participating in consciousness expansion through TM. This is a legitimate explanation for the sudden appearance of happy trends in a world awash in negative trends. As is randomicity and chaos theory. However, it never happens... And I know that this never happens because I know it. So there. ...that there is a smooth, laminar transformation of a world from chaos to order (Kali Yuga is near- total chaos, and Sat Yuga is near-perfect order, a complete contrast). There are always... Ditto. Those of us who know these things simply know them. Sages have told us so, so what we know is The Truth. Any other explanation is unthinkable. ...elements that do not fit into an orderly world, and if they are incapable of getting on the make-nice program, they have to go -- and natural disasters and wars etc are the mechanisms by which this happens. And compassion be damned. They don't know the things that WE know, so they're expendable. Just as a question, Bob, how do you explain the MUM student who had to go because one of the other MUM students stabbed him? Was HE incapable of getting on the make-nice program? From the Yogavasistha: However, when the people become predominately sinful, Yama the god of death sometimes engages himself in meditation for some years, druing which the population increases and explodes. The gods, frightened by this population explosion, resort to various devices to reduce it. All this has happened again and again countless times. Again, did Lord Yama decide that the student who was murdered at Ground Zero of ME-generation had to go? How do you justify THAT one? It's one thing to suggest -- as you have done and continue to do -- that the floods hitting other communities in Iowa are happening because those communities are full of wrongdoers who must be punished for their lack of compliance with Natural Law. But what about the MUM student? Did Lord Yama smite his ass as an example, or was it random? Tell us, oh Sage, because it's pretty clear that you believe that you know. http://tinyurl.com/6xndt , p.397 Lord Krishna, just before His departure from earth, even had to exterminate the Yadavas, His own group: This might explain the MUM student. He was expend- able because some greater lesson had to be taught. Krishna then explained why the Yadavas had to be exterminated, Made insolent by prowess, heroism and fortune, and inclined to take possession of the whole world, this celebrated race of Yadu has been kept in check by Me as the ocean by its shore. If I depart (from this world) without destroying the huge race of the Yadus, who have grown insolent the entire humanity will meet its destruction... http://www.thehindu.com/2006/07/26/stories/2006072606020900.htm Is there any evidence that the murdered MUM student had been made insolent by prowess, heroism and fortune, and inclined to take possession of the whole world? More than your average TM TB, that is? :-) The ME is true... And I know this because...becausewell, because I just know. ...but unfortunately, there will be a majority of people who will want to continue to live as mad dogs (and made even madder by the growing evolutionary trends they note in the environment), and they will just have to go... Was THAT the problem with the MUM student who was murdered by one of his fellow ME-generating buddies? He wanted to continue living as a mad dog? Curious minds want to know. ...they won't choose to fit into the peace and love character of the Sat Yuga. Now let me get this straight. They don't choose to fit into peace and love character of Sat Yuga that you have just defined as being willing to waste whoever the fuck gets in its way? So, although we will see many nifty things... Nifty things? Nifty? Bob, are you *really* going on record here as saying that you see floods and thousands of people homeless and the *extermination* of whole groups of people as being part of the peace and love character of Sat Yuga? And that such things are nifty? The original poster suggested that the pundits need to have their meditation checked. I'm suggesting that you need to have your sanity checked. ...because of the Pundit yagyas and TMers, natural processes will have to sharply reduce the human biomass if the Sat Yuga is going to happen... Doncha just love how religious fanatics find a way to never refer to the *victims* of what they are saying is God's will or Nature's will as PEOPLE? They're expendable human biomass. The MUM student murdered in the cafeteria was mere human biomass. Those in the future
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the TM dogma. Another approach is to question the TM dogma. Occam's Razor, dude. The simplest explanation is most likely the correct explanation. Read my lips: There has not been, and never will be a day in the life of the Turq without TM-bashing. Even though he left the TMO more than THIRTY years ago and claims he mooved on.
[FairfieldLife] Religious fanaticism squared (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where did the murdered MUM student go, Bob? Usually several times a day
[FairfieldLife] Religious fanaticism squared (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: snip ...elements that do not fit into an orderly world, and if they are incapable of getting on the make-nice program, they have to go -- and natural disasters and wars etc are the mechanisms by which this happens. And compassion be damned. They don't know the things that WE know, so they're expendable. Just as a question, Bob, how do you explain the MUM student who had to go because one of the other MUM students stabbed him? Was HE incapable of getting on the make-nice program? snip Again, did Lord Yama decide that the student who was murdered at Ground Zero of ME-generation had to go? How do you justify THAT one? snip But what about the MUM student? Did Lord Yama smite his ass as an example, or was it random? snip This might explain the MUM student. He was expend- able because some greater lesson had to be taught. snip Is there any evidence that the murdered MUM student had been made insolent by prowess, heroism and fortune, and inclined to take possession of the whole world? More than your average TM TB, that is? :-) snip Was THAT the problem with the MUM student who was murdered by one of his fellow ME-generating buddies? He wanted to continue living as a mad dog? snip The MUM student murdered in the cafeteria was mere human biomass. snip Where did the murdered MUM student go, Bob? Barry, it's one thing to question the concept Bob is articulating. But if your whole counterargument is based on what happened to this MUM student, it's, um, pretty unconvincing. You're claiming that the example of this one very unfortunate student, who was presumably doing his best to bring about Satyuga, disproves Bob's thesis. But Bob did NOT say that *every last person* who goes during this period has been taken out because they were resisting Satyuga, nor did he suggest that everybody who is working to bring it about is somehow protected from death. So, although we will see many nifty things... Nifty things? Nifty? Bob, are you *really* going on record here as saying that you see floods and thousands of people homeless and the *extermination* of whole groups of people as being part of the peace and love character of Sat Yuga? And that such things are nifty? Looks to me as though he's contrasting nifty things with unfortunate things, both being the consequence of the coming of Satyuga. In other words, for Satyuga with its peace and love characterto arrive, unfortunate things will happen to those who oppose it, while at the same time some nifty things will happen as well--in other words, different sets of occurrences, one negative and one positive. The original poster suggested that the pundits need to have their meditation checked. I'm suggesting that you need to have your sanity checked. Perhaps, but you might want to get a logic check as well. snip I'm a little sorry (but not much) to light into your ass this way No, you aren't sorry at all, nor should you be; why deny it? However, if you're going to light into him, you need to revise your approach and bag all your complaints about the murdered MUM student, because they make no sense in this context.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Religious fanaticism squared (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
On Jun 18, 2008, at 4:02 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, koesje1958 koesje1958@ wrote: This bad weather, etc. should not be happening, if the ME is valid. * The ME was a attempt to point out that rising consciousness did have a positive influence beyond the individuals participating in consciousness expansion through TM. This is a legitimate explanation for the sudden appearance of happy trends in a world awash in negative trends. As is randomicity and chaos theory. However, it never happens... And I know that this never happens because I know it. So there. ...that there is a smooth, laminar transformation of a world from chaos to order (Kali Yuga is near- total chaos, and Sat Yuga is near-perfect order, a complete contrast). There are always... Ditto. Those of us who know these things simply know them. Sages have told us so, so what we know is The Truth. Any other explanation is unthinkable. ...elements that do not fit into an orderly world, and if they are incapable of getting on the make-nice program, they have to go -- and natural disasters and wars etc are the mechanisms by which this happens. And compassion be damned. They don't know the things that WE know, so they're expendable. Just as a question, Bob, how do you explain the MUM student who had to go because one of the other MUM students stabbed him? Was HE incapable of getting on the make-nice program? From the Yogavasistha: However, when the people become predominately sinful, Yama the god of death sometimes engages himself in meditation for some years, druing which the population increases and explodes. The gods, frightened by this population explosion, resort to various devices to reduce it. All this has happened again and again countless times. Again, did Lord Yama decide that the student who was murdered at Ground Zero of ME-generation had to go? How do you justify THAT one? It's one thing to suggest -- as you have done and continue to do -- that the floods hitting other communities in Iowa are happening because those communities are full of wrongdoers who must be punished for their lack of compliance with Natural Law. But what about the MUM student? Did Lord Yama smite his ass as an example, or was it random? Tell us, oh Sage, because it's pretty clear that you believe that you know. http://tinyurl.com/6xndt , p.397 Lord Krishna, just before His departure from earth, even had to exterminate the Yadavas, His own group: This might explain the MUM student. He was expend- able because some greater lesson had to be taught. Krishna then explained why the Yadavas had to be exterminated, Made insolent by prowess, heroism and fortune, and inclined to take possession of the whole world, this celebrated race of Yadu has been kept in check by Me as the ocean by its shore. If I depart (from this world) without destroying the huge race of the Yadus, who have grown insolent the entire humanity will meet its destruction... http://www.thehindu.com/2006/07/26/stories/2006072606020900.htm Is there any evidence that the murdered MUM student had been made insolent by prowess, heroism and fortune, and inclined to take possession of the whole world? More than your average TM TB, that is? :-) The ME is true... And I know this because...becausewell, because I just know. ...but unfortunately, there will be a majority of people who will want to continue to live as mad dogs (and made even madder by the growing evolutionary trends they note in the environment), and they will just have to go... Was THAT the problem with the MUM student who was murdered by one of his fellow ME-generating buddies? He wanted to continue living as a mad dog? Curious minds want to know. ...they won't choose to fit into the peace and love character of the Sat Yuga. Now let me get this straight. They don't choose to fit into peace and love character of Sat Yuga that you have just defined as being willing to waste whoever the fuck gets in its way? So, although we will see many nifty things... Nifty things? Nifty? Bob, are you *really* going on record here as saying that you see floods and thousands of people homeless and the *extermination* of whole groups of people as being part of the peace and love character of Sat Yuga? And that such things are nifty? The original poster suggested that the pundits need to have their meditation checked. I'm suggesting that you need to have your sanity checked. ...because of the Pundit yagyas and TMers, natural processes will have to sharply reduce the human biomass if the Sat Yuga is going to happen... Doncha just love how religious fanatics find a way to never refer to the *victims* of what they are saying is God's will or Nature's will as PEOPLE? They're expendable human biomass. The MUM student murdered in the cafeteria was mere human biomass. Those in the future whom Bob will
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: The ME was always used as a marketing tool. Perhaps it started out as a legit scientific inquiry, but it was quickly co-opted by MMY and the TMO to promote an agenda as you say. Real shame actually. Me old Unitarian Universalist minister had a slightly different take. He felt that MMY's hype of Yogic Flying and so on wasn't merely marketing of TM or the Sidhis techniques themslves, but a marketing of the *concepts* as part of a larger strategy to bring about a global paradigm shift. The evidence that your pastor was right is found in the media's illustrative depiction of meditation: editors consistently choose illustrations of someone floating in the air in a lotus position, no matter which meditation technique the article is covering. See, for instance, this recent picture from New York Times article on mindfulness meditation and therapy: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/27/health/research/27budd.html or http://tinyurl.com/4vppr8 As interesting as this meme is, it's separate from the question of correlating consciousness with stuff that happens in the physical world, which is what I was getting at. Maharishi correlated development of consciousness with an improved life in relative terms. That's a dicey correlation with individuals, and becomes dicier still when applied across large populations. I'm not saying there's no correlation. On the contrary, I believe there's evidence of some correlation. But it's not consistent or rigorous. Maybe it can never be so. But it would be interesting to see the question pursued.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
This occurance of the floods is a pretty big splash in the face for those who are invested in group program. According to everything we know about the ME, this should not have happened. And now (new) cracks are starting to appear, forcing people to grasp for far fetched explanations. Jim postulated a little ways back, that the ME was just a ploy by M to get people to focus on their program, and personal development, and really had little to do with changing the world. It may be that those who were practicing under this assumption, will either have to update their belief system, or take their leave. As well, the stock market should not be where it is, according to the pronouncements. Nothing wrong with group program, or focusing on your PE. I did it for many years. It's just, how do you get your head around this latest deal. I always enjoy hearing Bob's explanation. Rising world consciousness is not a linear rise. It always has plenty of detours. That's fine, but the ME effect hasn't exactly demonstrated strong correlations between cause and effect. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, koesje1958 koesje1958@ wrote: This bad weather, etc. should not be happening, if the ME is valid. I sincerely believe there is a real possibility those young 19 year old Pandits needs a serious Meditation Checking as they may be straining in their TM Sidhi practice, doing some kind of migiven Concentration technique and thereby producing 0 ME. Isn't this a fascinating statement? First he says (paraphrased), If the bad weather is happening in Iowa, given what the TMO has said about the nature of the ME, then the ME itself is not valid. And THEN his conclusion is that there must be some- thing wrong with the way that the pundits are prac- ticing TM and the TM-siddhis. It's *unthinkable* that the ME itself is not valid. My suggestion is that you rethink your second para- graph or leave it out and stick with the first one. That's what people who are not desperately trying to shore up their belief in something they've bought into for years as Truth would do. Your approach is the same as that used to explain away serious side effects of TM practice in the past -- blame someone for not doing it right rather than to look into the practice itself. This technique was used to explain away hundreds of heavy unstressers at courses in Fiuggi, it was used to explain away a murder on the MUM campus, and it will be used in the future to explain away anything that doesn't jibe with the TM dogma. Another approach is to question the TM dogma. Occam's Razor, dude. The simplest explanation is most likely the correct explanation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
TurquoiseB wrote: Another approach is to question the TM dogma. Occam's Razor, dude. The simplest explanation is most likely the correct explanation. ...Master Fwap told me that most people who have been enlightened in their previous incarnations would normally begin to regain their past-life enlightenment-if they lived at sea level-at around the age of twenty-nine, when their astrological Saturn return took place. He said that living in or near sacred mountains, because of their beneficial auric influences, often made past-life returns happen even faster. 'Surfing the Himalayas: A Spiritual Adventure' by Frederick Lenz St. Martin's Press, 1997
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So, although we will see many nifty things because of the Pundit yagyas and TMers If you want to see a super nifty thing, check out this slide show on Yahoo! News of the marriage in San Francisco two days ago between two octogenarian lesbians who have been together for 55 years: http://tinyurl.com/3vplhb
[FairfieldLife] Re: Realization-- from the FFL archives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stumbled across this in the vast archive of FFL messages, and thought it was worth a copy and paste (its not mine): Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. I'm trying to get us to stop talking about devotion, free will, etc. from the waking state (the relative), and start talking about it from the Absolute side of the fence. Why? In CC the surrender of infinity to a larger infinity is real. Total bullshit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
Bob, when the population reductions described below come about, do they only cull the people violating natural law, or do wide swaths of the innocent get killed collaterally? I'm thinking of Chinese schoolchildren crushed in an earthquake and Burmese mothers drowned by a cyclone. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: it never happens that there is a smooth, laminar transformation of a world from chaos to order (Kali Yuga is near- total chaos, and Sat Yuga is near-perfect order, a complete contrast). There are always elements that do not fit into an orderly world, and if they are incapable of getting on the make-nice program, they have to go -- and natural disasters and wars etc are the mechanisms by which this happens. From the Yogavasistha: However, when the people become predominately sinful, Yama the god of death sometimes engages himself in meditation for some years, druing which the population increases and explodes. The gods, frightened by this population explosion, resort to various devices to reduce it. All this has happened again and again countless times. http://tinyurl.com/6xndt , p.397 Lord Krishna, just before His departure from earth, even had to exterminate the Yadavas, His own group: Krishna then explained why the Yadavas had to be exterminated, Made insolent by prowess, heroism and fortune, and inclined to take possession of the whole world, this celebrated race of Yadu has been kept in check by Me as the ocean by its shore. If I depart (from this world) without destroying the huge race of the Yadus, who have grown insolent the entire humanity will meet its destruction... http://www.thehindu.com/2006/07/26/stories/2006072606020900.htm The ME is true, but unfortunately, there will be a majority of people who will want to continue to live as mad dogs (and made even madder by the growing evolutionary trends they note in the environment), and they will just have to go -- they won't choose to fit into the peace and love character of the Sat Yuga. So, although we will see many nifty things because of the Pundit yagyas and TMers, natural processes will have to sharply reduce the human biomass if the Sat Yuga is going to happen -- the TM movement will turn on the light, and those who cannot live in the light will find somewhere else to go.
[FairfieldLife] From Coal to Fuel
From Coal to Fuel By Vasko Kohlmayer FrontPageMagazine.com | Wednesday, June 18, 2008 Apart from engendering economic turmoil and worries of many kinds, the skyrocketing price of oil has also done something momentously beneficial: It has created conditions for America's oil independence by making it economical to extract fuels from coal, our most abundant energy resource. A sedimentary rock, coal is primarily made up of carbon. Carbon most commonly occurs in stable compounds but when combined with hydrogen it forms volatile substances known as hydrocarbons. Of those, crude oil is the most useful, because when refined it yields flammable fluids such as diesel and gasoline which are used in combustion engines. As demand for oil began to rise early in the 20th century, scientists became intrigued with the possibility of converting carbon-rich coal into hydrocarbon liquids as a potential replacement for petroleum- derived fuels. Franz Fischer and Hans Tropsch, two German scientists, accomplished the feat in the 1920s. Named after its inventors, the Fischer-Tropsch method is a multistage process during which coal is transformed through gasification and liquefaction into synthetic diesel and jet grade kerosene. The method's practical viability was first seriously tested in the 1940s. Lacking adequate access to oilfields during World War II, Germany built twenty-five coal-to-liquid plants to boost its fuel supplies. The enterprise proved a success and by 1944 the plants were discharging 144,000 barrels of synthetic fuels a day, enough to cover half of the country's wartime needs. Some two decades later, South Africa began using the same technology to soften the hardships of its Apartheid isolation. It proved so successful that the program was continued even after the embargo was no longer an issue. Today almost all diesel engines on South Africa's roads are powered by synthetic coal fuel. But even after Germany and South Africa demonstrated its efficiency and reliability, the coal-to-fuel technology failed to find wider use. The reason was cost. Historically the cost of producing a gallon of synthetic fuel has been higher than what it could fetch on the market. Conversion only becomes profitable when crude passes $55 a barrel, because at that price diesel and kerosene begin to sell for more than what it costs to obtain them from coal. Since until quite recently the price of oil was below that mark, coal- to-fuel conversion was not commercially viable. This is the reason why it was only done in countries that for one reason or another lacked adequate access to petroleum-based products. The roof-shattering march of crude, however, has changed this situation. At today's prices, conversion would be not only economically practical, but also decidedly profitable. The combination of current market conditions and long-term outlook thus creates a powerful incentive for the private sector to channel money, capital and entrepreneurial energy into the coal liquefaction enterprise. This should be great news for the United States which with nearly 270 billion tons of recoverable coal leads the world in reserves. To put it in perspective, U.S. coal deposits contain more energy than that of all the planet's oil reserves put together. So vast is their potential that at a standard conversion rate of two barrels of liquids per one metric ton of coal, America's fuel needs would be taken care of for well over a century. This in effect means that as long as the price of crude oil remains above $55 a barrel and there is every reason to believe it will America can enjoy fuel self-sufficiency for as long as the eye can see. It is important to grasp the full import of this: Unlike all the other ideas and proposals for achieving oil independence, coal conversion represents no false hope or wishful thinking but an eminently feasible and realistic possibility. No new inventions, no technological breakthroughs, no extensive infrastructure modifications, no lengthy testing, no public investment or government incentives are required to make it happen. Everything is already in place to bring it about: America possesses abundant supplies of coal Proven technology exists to convert coal into fuel Market conditions make conversion commercially practical While the first two conditions have been true for a long time, the third did not come into play until last year. With the rise in price, however, all the necessary prerequisites for America's fuel self- sufficiency have been met. All that needs to be done is to remove any artificially imposed impediments that may stand in the way. Most of them are in the form of environmental rules and regulations which make energy production such a difficult and problematic enterprise in this country. As far as the environment is concerned, coal conversion and its derivatives are cleaner than their crude oil counterparts.
[FairfieldLife] Use the razor on your beliefs, not just your tonsure.
The subject line is a quote from 14th-century English logician and Franciscan friar William of Ockham. Suffice it to say that he was con- sidered a bit Off The Program by some of his Franciscan brothers. From Wikipedia: His principle, Occam's razor, states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable pred- ictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. The principle is often expressed in Latin as the lex parsimoniae (law of parsimony or law of succinctness): entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem, roughly translated as entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity. This is often paraphrased as All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best. In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities. It is in this sense that Occam's razor is usually understood. Now, applying this to TM dogma such as the ME, is it more likely that the best explanation for the rains and flooding in Iowa, despite the ME numbers having been achieved, is: 1. The ME is working as expected, bringing about an age of peace and love and sattva, but to do this it needs to clear the way for this new age by removing wrongdoers and those who refuse to live by rules they've never heard of that were laid down centuries ago by sages who knew The Truth, and that this clearing the way process requires any number of mechanisms in the Laws Of Nature to *handle* determining which people get killed or flooded out of their homes (the wrong- doers) and which do not (the Good Guys), and that anyone who IS killed or flooded out of his or her home *deserved* it, because Nature and the ME don't make mistakes, so if a Bad Thing happens to these people, they are by definition Bad Persons and deserve it, or at the very least, they are human biomass that can be eliminated by Nature because they don't really count. 2. The ME is bullshit, and always was. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm gonna go with Door Number Two. Then again, unlike many here, I don't have any- thing invested in it being true, much less Truth. I *always* thought it was bullshit. Still do. What fascinates me is the LENGTHS to which other- wise sane and sometimes logical people will go to to find tortured explanations for these floods in Iowa and a murder on the MUM campus and the stock market being in the toilet and all of the other things they have to find tortured explan- ations for to continue believing that the ME *isn't* bullshit. All of these tortured explanations and excuses are the very *definition* of the unnecessary assumptions and multiplied entities that Friar William warned against. *HE* would have looked at the two possible theories or explanations above and wouldn't have hesitated for a heartbeat in saying which explanation is more likely to be true. Then again, he was famous for being willing and able to say those three magic words when shaving his own Christian beliefs down to their essentials, and using his metaphorical razor to eliminate the bullshit from them: I was wrong. Why is it so hard for TMers to say -- or even THINK -- those three words?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
- --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: Lord Krishna, just before His departure from earth, even had to exterminate the Yadavas, His own group: So much for bio-diversity an dsavig all endangered species. The ME is true, but unfortunately, there will be a majority of people who will want to continue to live as mad dogs (and made even madder by the growing evolutionary trends they note in the environment), and they will just have to go -- they won't choose to fit into the peace and love character of the Sat Yuga. So, although we will see many nifty things because of the Pundit yagyas and TMers, natural processes will have to sharply reduce the human biomass if the Sat Yuga is going to happen -- the TM movement will turn on the light, and those who cannot live in the light will find somewhere else to go. You could have gotten a sweet PR job with the Third Reich.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
On Jun 18, 2008, at 12:03 AM, bob_brigante wrote: From the Yogavasistha: However, when the people become predominately sinful That's right, Bob, and as everyone knows, Iowa has always been one of the most sinful places on the face of the earth. I mean, when people want to do some serious sinning, 3 cities always come to mind: Paris, San Francisco...and Des Moines. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, when the population reductions described below come about, do they only cull the people violating natural law, or do wide swaths of the innocent get killed collaterally? I'm thinking of Chinese schoolchildren crushed in an earthquake and Burmese mothers drowned by a cyclone. Well he seems to be on the same page as Doug Hamilton. According to Doug, in message 180161, all non-meditators will be crushed by natural law in the coming disasters/purification/Natural Law TMJihad. Maybe after that, they'll fight it out with the 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses ruling at the right hand of christ to see who is the ultimate winner. Patrick, by definition there are no 'innocents' who are not with them. Only the righteous survive. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/180161 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, no, no, nay hermandan0. Is Science, either you are with natural law, or you're against it. Those who are against it, like non- meditators, will be crushed by it. Are you with us? Jai Guru Dev. In Natural Law TMJihad, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, when the population reductions described below come about, do they only cull the people violating natural law, or do wide swaths of the innocent get killed collaterally? I'm thinking of Chinese schoolchildren crushed in an earthquake and Burmese mothers drowned by a cyclone. From the Yogavasistha: However, when the people become predominately sinful, Yama the god of death ...snip These kids were sinning by their birth outside the caste system, literally outcastes. Add that to the lack of East facing entrances on the schools, some twice cooked sweet and sour holy cow for lunch over rice, never repeating a Hindu deity's name along with the word for bowing down, and they were practically begging to Yama to open up a can of Wup ass on them! (or was it Yahweh this time with the righteous blood lust? I get my mass murdering deities mixed up sometimes) But here is the good news. Certain humans know exactly what God wants from us so he doesn't have to kill our kids. Those special people can tell you what you must do specifically to avoid pissing off the invisible sociopath in the sky. God had humans write down his detailed instructions in another language on another continent so you might want to grow up privileged enough to be able to study foreign scriptures instead of like, you know, hauling fish into your boat from a net on a commercial fishing boat, or being a plumber in trade school. (sorry blue color guys, God doesn't really have much room for you in his plan, he is partial to upper middle class guys whose families give them liberal arts educations.) Sure beats admitting that humans don't have a clue why this stuff happens doesn't it? It's got the the satisfaction of truthiness and the state of perfect knowingnessinhoodedmentitude, don't it? And if you follow all the rules God might, just might deliver unfathomable karma on your ass anyway, cuzz he da boss man an you ain't. I hope that helps Pat. The kids had it coming and we know this from old books. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: it never happens that there is a smooth, laminar transformation of a world from chaos to order (Kali Yuga is near- total chaos, and Sat Yuga is near-perfect order, a complete contrast). There are always elements that do not fit into an orderly world, and if they are incapable of getting on the make-nice program, they have to go -- and natural disasters and wars etc are the mechanisms by which this happens. From the Yogavasistha: However, when the people become predominately sinful, Yama the god of death sometimes engages himself in meditation for some years, druing which the population increases and explodes. The gods, frightened by this population explosion, resort to various devices to reduce it. All this has happened again and again countless times. http://tinyurl.com/6xndt , p.397 Lord Krishna, just before His departure from earth, even had to exterminate the Yadavas, His own group: Krishna then explained why the Yadavas had to be exterminated, Made insolent by prowess, heroism and fortune, and inclined to take possession of the whole world, this celebrated race of Yadu has been kept in check by Me as the ocean by its shore. If I depart (from this world) without destroying the huge race of the Yadus, who have grown insolent the entire humanity will meet its destruction... http://www.thehindu.com/2006/07/26/stories/2006072606020900.htm The ME is true, but unfortunately, there will be a majority of people who will want to continue to live as mad dogs (and made even madder by the growing evolutionary trends they note in the environment), and they will just have to go -- they won't choose to fit into the peace and love character of the Sat Yuga. So, although we will see many nifty things because of the Pundit yagyas and TMers, natural processes will have to sharply reduce the human biomass if the Sat Yuga is going to happen -- the TM movement will turn on the light, and those who cannot live in the light will find somewhere else to go.
[FairfieldLife] The Bottom Line (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: Bob, when the population reductions described below come about, do they only cull the people violating natural law, or do wide swaths of the innocent get killed collaterally? I'm thinking of Chinese schoolchildren crushed in an earthquake and Burmese mothers drowned by a cyclone. From the Yogavasistha: However, when the people become predominately sinful, Yama the god of death ...snip These kids were sinning by their birth outside the caste system, literally outcastes. Add that to the lack of East facing entrances on the schools, some twice cooked sweet and sour holy cow for lunch over rice, never repeating a Hindu deity's name along with the word for bowing down, and they were practically begging to Yama to open up a can of Wup ass on them! (or was it Yahweh this time with the righteous blood lust? I get my mass murdering deities mixed up sometimes) But here is the good news. Certain humans know exactly what God wants from us so he doesn't have to kill our kids. Those special people can tell you what you must do specifically to avoid pissing off the invisible sociopath in the sky. God had humans write down his detailed instructions in another language on another continent so you might want to grow up privileged enough to be able to study foreign scriptures instead of like, you know, hauling fish into your boat from a net on a commercial fishing boat, or being a plumber in trade school. (sorry blue color guys, God doesn't really have much room for you in his plan, he is partial to upper middle class guys whose families give them liberal arts educations.) Sure beats admitting that humans don't have a clue why this stuff happens doesn't it? It's got the the satisfaction of truthiness and the state of perfect knowingnessinhoodedmentitude, don't it? And if you follow all the rules God might, just might deliver unfathomable karma on your ass anyway, cuzz he da boss man an you ain't. I hope that helps Pat. The kids had it coming and we know this from old books. Well said, Curtis. But y'know the problem with over-the-top satire of what people believe is that the people who really DO believe all this stuff -- implicitly if not consciously -- can write it off in their heads as satire, or as griping from someone who isn't as highly evolved as they are, and not think that it applies to them. Me, I think that a lot of people on this forum really DO believe the things that you wrote above. And I even know a way to prove it. Remember the post I made at the beginning of the week (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/179958) that said: It seems to me that Fairfield is currently experiencing one of those where the rubber meets the road tests of its supposed spirit- uality. If, as has been reported here, people are sandbagging everywhere in Iowa but Fair- field, and the reason for that is that you don't have a river, what are the people of Fairfield doing to help those in Iowa who are less fortunate than they are? That post was hurriedly followed up a few cover our asses posts by Dick Mays and Judy Stein and a couple of others, suggesting ways that Fairfield TMers *could* help out. In the case of Judy's post, she suggested ways that they could help their neighbors in Iowa without even getting off the asses they were covering to do so. My suggestion for a Bottom Line: Who did it? Step up to the plate, you FFL denizens who live in Fairfield, and answer these questions: * Which of you actually went out and helped in a neighboring city with the sandbagging? * Which of you contributed money or food or clothing to the relief effort? * Which of you did something else *physical* (in other words, something more substantial than wishing them well) to help? If you can't raise your hand and answer Me to any of those three, I'm going to have to assume that Curtis' caricature above isn't that far off the mark in accurately describing you and your beliefs. Either that or Curtis' caricature does NOT reflect your true beliefs, and you're a total hypocrite without an ounce of compassion for your fellow man. Your call.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 18, 2008, at 12:03 AM, bob_brigante wrote: From the Yogavasistha: However, when the people become predominately sinful That's right, Bob, and as everyone knows, Iowa has always been one of the most sinful places on the face of the earth. I mean, when people want to do some serious sinning, 3 cities always come to mind: Paris, San Francisco...and Des Moines. Sal You forgot Las Vegas. But Iowa has all those industrial grade hog-farms. (Also God just doesn't like the weather there )
[FairfieldLife] Re: Use the razor on your beliefs, not just your tonsure.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The subject line is a quote from 14th-century English logician and Franciscan friar William of Ockham. Suffice it to say that he was con- sidered a bit Off The Program by some of his Franciscan brothers. From Wikipedia: His principle, Occam's razor, states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable pred- ictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. The principle is often expressed in Latin as the lex parsimoniae (law of parsimony or law of succinctness): entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem, roughly translated as entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity. This is often paraphrased as All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best. In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities. It is in this sense that Occam's razor is usually understood. Now, applying this to TM dogma such as the ME Actually, you can't apply Occam's Razor to the ME theory, at least if you want to use it as Occam intended, according to Wikipedia: to evaluate theories whose predictions have been shown to be correct and which have not been falsified. Scientifically, the ME theory doesn't even rise to the level of Occam's Razor. You can use it in a sort of bastardized folk- wisdom manner, but in that case you also need to bear in mind that it can work only in an adequate frame of reference. It's not clear that we even have *that* for the ME theory. To pretend that Occam's Razor somehow proves the ME theory is bullshit, in other words, is nonsense. It may well *be* bullshit, but Occam's Razor doesn't help you draw that conclusion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama exact birthtime /Lou Valentino
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Obama exact birthtime /Lou Valentino Dear friends of Fairfield, And I hope it is a Fairfield. I wanted those who are into astrology to have Barack Obama's exact birth information he has put up on one of his many websites. He was born on August 4, 1961 at 7:24PM in Honolulu, Hawaii. From the German astro.com -site: Short Report - Forecast from June 2008 for Barack Obama, born on 4 August 1961 Text by Robert Hand, Copyright © Astrodienst AG 2008 Send page Introduction A time of readjustment Saturn square Moon: End of September 2007 until end of June 2008: Confinements Saturn conjunction Pluto: End of October 2007 until beginning of August 2008: Varying techniques Pluto opposition Venus: End of February 2008 until mid December 2009: Ethical standards Jupiter trine Mars: Mid April 2008 until beginning of December 2008: Psychological explosions Uranus opposition Mars: Beginning of May 2008 until mid January 2010: The Data Page Introduction This report is a short edition of the Forecast Horoscope. It is meant as a sample and advertisement for the full version of the Forecast Horoscope which can be ordered from Astrodienst as a bound report of about 15 - 20 pages. Ordering Information Yearly Horoscope Analysis Your personal forecast for the next 12 months, by Liz Greene. EUR 46.95, US$ 54.95 Order it now Transits of the Year Forecast for 12 months based on your transits, by Robert Hand. EUR 43.95, US$ 51.95 Order it now Forecast Horoscope The inexpensive 12-month forecast. EUR 19.95, US$ 22.95 Order it now In the short edition, only a few, but nevertheless important transits over your natal chart are considered. It is likely however that some important transits of this six month period have been omitted in this abbreviated report. If you are interested in the full pattern of relevant themes, please order the full version of this report. Your best choice of report will be Liz Greene's Yearly Horoscope Analysis or Robert Hand's Transits of the Year. These reports will select the really relevant themes of a 12-month period for you, and deal with them in depth and style. The report was generated for 6 months starting from June 2008 with the following birth data: male, born on 4 August 1961 at 7:24 pm in Honolulu, Hawaii. Your sun sign is Leo. This is the sign in which the Sun is in your birth chart. Your Ascendant is in Aquarius, and your Moon is in Gemini. Saturn square Moon: A time of readjustment End of September 2007 until end of June 2008: This period can be quite a difficult time for your personal and domestic life. On the psychological level you may feel lonely and isolated from others. You may feel depressed and undeserving of love. Sometimes remembered past actions make you feel guilty that you have not lived up to your own expectations. Externally this influence can create difficulties in personal relationships, especially with women, because your emotional communication seems to be cut off. Your job may make demands that conflict with your domestic responsibilities, so that you are forced to neglect one or the other. Your parents may also be a source of concern at this time. The conflict at this time is between the structure of your ego, your sense of individuality and uniqueness and your need for connections and roots. Somehow it is difficult to be yourself and do what you must, to maintain your relationships and get much-needed emotional support and reinforcement from your loved ones. These elements of your life are not truly in conflict, for they are complementary principles that need to be properly balanced with each other. The problem is that one element has got out of control at the expense of the other, so a time of readjustment is at hand. This situation is the underlying cause of the loneliness and depression that often accompany this influence. You may have to make important changes in your life priorities. You may have to deemphasize your work in favor of your emotional and personal life, or you may have to break off a relationship that has interfered unnecessarily with your work. In either case, you must restore the balance between these two aspects of your life so that your life will run smoothly again. Saturn conjunction Pluto: Confinements End of October 2007 until beginning of August 2008: During this time you may have fewer resources available for doing what you want, and you may have to focus the available resources on more restricted and concentrated objectives. The effects of this influence are several. First, structure in your life will change significantly, but not suddenly or without warning. The changes brought about during this time are inherent in what is being changed, if you look carefully. It is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Religious fanaticism squared (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
On Jun 18, 2008, at 3:02 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: ...they won't choose to fit into the peace and love character of the Sat Yuga. Now let me get this straight. They don't choose to fit into peace and love character of Sat Yuga that you have just defined as being willing to waste whoever the fuck gets in its way? So according to Bob, people who don't get with the make-nice and peace and love programs, must be exterminated. I mean, with logic like that, it's no wonder he thinks McCain is winning. Sal
[FairfieldLife] The Bottom Line (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
As always, Turq, your armchair rallies to volunteerism are inspirational. Again, what volunteer work did you spend your weekend doing? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That post was hurriedly followed up a few cover our asses posts by Dick Mays and Judy Stein and a couple of others, suggesting ways that Fairfield TMers *could* help out. In the case of Judy's post, she suggested ways that they could help their neighbors in Iowa without even getting off the asses they were covering to do so. My suggestion for a Bottom Line: Who did it? Step up to the plate, you FFL denizens who live in Fairfield, and answer these questions: * Which of you actually went out and helped in a neighboring city with the sandbagging? * Which of you contributed money or food or clothing to the relief effort? * Which of you did something else *physical* (in other words, something more substantial than wishing them well) to help? If you can't raise your hand and answer Me to any of those three, I'm going to have to assume that Curtis' caricature above isn't that far off the mark in accurately describing you and your beliefs. Either that or Curtis' caricature does NOT reflect your true beliefs, and you're a total hypocrite without an ounce of compassion for your fellow man. Your call.
[FairfieldLife] The Bottom Line (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Remember the post I made at the beginning of the week (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/179958) that said: It seems to me that Fairfield is currently experiencing one of those where the rubber meets the road tests of its supposed spirit- uality. If, as has been reported here, people are sandbagging everywhere in Iowa but Fair- field, and the reason for that is that you don't have a river, what are the people of Fairfield doing to help those in Iowa who are less fortunate than they are? That post was hurriedly followed up a few cover our asses posts by Dick Mays and Judy Stein and a couple of others, suggesting ways that Fairfield TMers *could* help out. In the case of Judy's post, she suggested ways that they could help their neighbors in Iowa without even getting off the asses they were covering to do so. We'll know for absolute certain that the ME is working when Barry finally stops lying about my (and others') posts. My suggestion, of course (making a financial donation to Feed the Children or the Red Cross), wasn't directed to Fairfield TMers but to *anyone* who wasn't in a position to help with local sandbagging in Iowa (i.e., many if not most of us on this forum). And, of course, it wasn't a follow-up to Barry's post; it was a response to Dick Mays's post reproducing an email being sent around to Fairfield and Iowa City volunteer groups, asking for help with sandbagging in Keosauqua and Iowa City for sandbagging volunteers.
[FairfieldLife] Seven Plagues That Now Face America ...
I know many of you have read from this site. But you have not read this page, it will sure give you cause to think. http://www.theamericannightmare.org/7_PLAGUES__G-G-G.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Another approach is to question the TM dogma. Occam's Razor, dude. The simplest explanation is most likely the correct explanation. ...Master Fwap told me that most people who have been enlightened in their previous incarnations would normally begin to regain their past-life enlightenment-if they lived at sea level-at around the age of twenty-nine, when their astrological Saturn return took place. He said that living in or near sacred mountains, because of their beneficial auric influences, often made past-life returns happen even faster. 'Surfing the Himalayas: A Spiritual Adventure' by Frederick Lenz St. Martin's Press, 1997 Recognize Richard that Turq will always sacrific integrity for attention. He has said and done it many times here. A recent example was his plea to share stories of surrender and compassion, providing his own example as his intention to piss on a tree during a drought. So pointing out contradictions in his positions plays into his game. I am not saying there is anything wrong with it, just see that whatever he says is more to elicit reaction than to take seriously. React, provoke, react, provoke, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Religious fanaticism squared (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 18, 2008, at 3:02 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: ...they won't choose to fit into the peace and love character of the Sat Yuga. Now let me get this straight. They don't choose to fit into peace and love character of Sat Yuga that you have just defined as being willing to waste whoever the fuck gets in its way? So according to Bob, people who don't get with the make-nice and peace and love programs, must be exterminated. You are missing the big picture Sal. Thats understandable, the Vedic Gods did not intend women folk to be thinking big thoughts. Many of those that have to go, are actually quite saintly. But have weakness in their nervous system and physiology. So Snuff the Rough(ess) is the clarion call in heaven these days. These deserving souls can now be born of true yogic parents -- like those vital radiant glorious specimens of human beings-- like you see entering the domes, or just walking around FF. So on the surface it looks like a bad snuff film, in the bigger picture, its very kewl. So Sal, take off your shoes, get back to the kitchen, and do your womanly duty. (and cool it on disrupting your delicate nervous system with Big Thoughts that only men can handle.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
My understanding of the ME is Things don't get bright and shiny overnight just because a large group of meditators are there, but it is supposed to get gradually better, eg. instead of 100 accidents, crimes, disasters, etc. there will be less, perhaps 60 accidents, crimes, disasters, etc. and you will still feel the negative results of this. The ME works to soften the blow of negative karma from the planets, perhaps Fairfield was protected and it could have been much worse than simply a flooding in the neighboorhood cities. I wrote a detailed article on how Mars opposite Rahu (The Moon's North Node) negatively effects the world and was directly involved in the 3 greatest Stockmarket crashes of all time. http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/TimeandCycles/message/28483 (If that doesn't work plmk, I'll repost it here if there is interest) Mars is now Debilitated (in Vedic astrology, this is Mars's weakest position and can cause more havoc than normal) is opposite Rahu from 5/5/08 onwards, is exact on 6/14/08 and ends on 6/21/08. And Stockmarkets?, they should see a huge rally in July. Either that, or Mars transiting Saturn, could be negating some of the more positive aspects of the ME. On the other hand, if Uranus goes in retograde, it could, in some backward way, magnify the ME. It will all probably be a lot clearer after the fact. On the other hand Amma visiting the State could either add to the postive momentum, or possibly, if the influence is so too strong, she could provoke a fresh round of intense purification. I don't know. I just don't want to go on the record with any exact predictions at this time. I'm sorry, but I'm just not comfortable doing so. I hope this isn't too disappointing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, koesje1958 koesje1958@ wrote: This bad weather, etc. should not be happening, if the ME is valid. I sincerely believe there is a real possibility those young 19 year old Pandits needs a serious Meditation Checking as they may be straining in their TM Sidhi practice, doing some kind of migiven Concentration technique and thereby producing 0 ME. What are the super radiance numbers these days? I've read posts from people supporting or lambasting the Maharishi Effect, but no one has correlated dome numbers with Iowa's spring weather. Here, the New York Times remarks on the larger ramifications of Iowa's weather: http://tinyurl.com/3sqzx9 Editorial Iowaâs Disasters Published: June 14, 2008 The heaviest rains in Iowa this past week fell in the northern part of the state â a torrential downpour in many cases, following the third-wettest May on the books. That water has been draining out of fields â washing away soil and crops as it goes â and into the rivers, which in the eastern half of the state flow predominantly to the southeast. Des Moines, Iowa City and Cedar Rapids have all watched as floods have approached, but it has been impossible to turn them away. Cedar Rapids and Iowa City have been engulfed. Fifty-five of Iowaâs 99 counties have been declared a disaster. (more) http://tinyurl.com/3sqzx9
[FairfieldLife] The Bottom Line (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As always, Turq, your armchair rallies to volunteerism are inspirational. Again, what volunteer work did you spend your weekend doing? Well, first I signed over my check for a movie review writing assignment to one of the relief efforts mentioned in Judy's post. And my week- end was already booked *writing* the last few of those reviews, so I spent Monday in Barcelona working with the Buddhist group I mentioned when you first brought this up to distribute fresh food to the elderly, who had been a little hard hit by the truckers' strike in Spain when their local markets couldn't get any produce. Now your turn. What did YOU do? Did you even send off any money? anticipating the inevitable answer Why not? and one last question Don't you ever get tired of this passive-aggressive pseudo-intellectual act of yours and DO something of worth for someone other than yourself for a change? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: That post was hurriedly followed up a few cover our asses posts by Dick Mays and Judy Stein and a couple of others, suggesting ways that Fairfield TMers *could* help out. In the case of Judy's post, she suggested ways that they could help their neighbors in Iowa without even getting off the asses they were covering to do so. My suggestion for a Bottom Line: Who did it? Step up to the plate, you FFL denizens who live in Fairfield, and answer these questions: * Which of you actually went out and helped in a neighboring city with the sandbagging? * Which of you contributed money or food or clothing to the relief effort? * Which of you did something else *physical* (in other words, something more substantial than wishing them well) to help? If you can't raise your hand and answer Me to any of those three, I'm going to have to assume that Curtis' caricature above isn't that far off the mark in accurately describing you and your beliefs. Either that or Curtis' caricature does NOT reflect your true beliefs, and you're a total hypocrite without an ounce of compassion for your fellow man. Your call.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven Plagues That Now Face America ...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, barbara_thomas73 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know many of you have read from this site. But you have not read this page, it will sure give you cause to think. http://www.theamericannightmare.org/7_PLAGUES__G-G-G.html It causes me to think that not all of the crazies in the world are in the TM movement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Realization-- from the FFL archives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Flaws in your interesting discourse... (by way of example): doesn't explain how an Enlightened person like A (mentioned before) can still be Enlightened and be a child molestor. It appears that some would attempt to render Paramatma [God] insignificant in order feel comfortable in their amorality and faux 'enlightenment'. The way of the group of those who believe in nirguNa [without qualities alone] spread more wickedness because these people do not accept the manifest form of Bhagavan [God] and suppose that the niraakaara [formless] cannot see or hear. So they do their mind's desires; they have no concern for what is wicked and what is sacred. ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati - Guru Dev [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 88 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: I stumbled across this in the vast archive of FFL messages, and thought it was worth a copy and paste (its not mine): Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. I'm trying to get us to stop talking about devotion, free will, etc. from the waking state (the relative), and start talking about it from the Absolute side of the fence. Why? Because I've heard Maharishi say, on numerous occasions, that devotion is meaningless until CC (Self-realization) has dawned. Before that, he says, who is surrendering? We don't even know who we are, so how can we sur- render? We are unreal, so what are we giving up? What are we surrender- ing. Surrender only has meaning when something significant is to be given up, surrendered. Surrender is only meaningful from a place of strength. Only in CC do we know who we are. THEN surrender has some meaning. Before CC, all action is already being performed by the Self, but the in- dividual, unenlightened ego claims credit for everything. It claims to be surrendering, just like a prisoner in a prison might say in his de- lusion I'm here voluntarily. But no matter what he says, he is there at the control of a higher power. If he continues to insist that he has free will, those who know the reality will just smile and call him deluded. In ignorance, no individual is making any choices. They just PRETEND they are, and then they have discussions about the mechanics of making the best choice, and what will be the effects of my various choices. But it's all delusion. In CC, when we stop identifying with that ignorant individuality, and realize that we are the Self, then, for the first time, we realize that we actually DO have free will, because we are the One Self that exercises ALL the free will, we are finally The Doer. We are finally free, and only in freedom is free will possible. The prisoner in our example may decide to stay in jail, be locked in his cell to sleep at lights out, take a shower at 8am, etc. He may decide to surrender to the higher authority of the prison warden. But you and I know that he is going to do those things whether he thinks he believes that he's decided to surrender to them or not. Only, with one set of beliefs, his life will be full of pain and suffering, and with the other set of beliefs, he will flow with the reality THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY. Even his choice of which prison warden has control over him is out of his hands. He doesn't choose his prison, or his warden. The system sends him where it thinks he will do best. Same with the choice of a guru. The system chooses for us, runs us around through life till we are brought to where we are meant to be. And from the outside, our actions may look like we've been exercising our own judgment, but we are in the matrix, and the program is being run by the Self (or by Nature, or God, or karma...) In CC, the decision to surrender to something even bigger can have mean- ing. In CC the surrender of infinity to a larger infinity is real. In waking state, the surrender of a finite dreamer, of a delusional exis- tence, to infinity is meaningless, is an illusion, and does not happen the way the ego would like to claim it does. The ignorant, relative ego is totally moved by the Self. It is just a wave of the Self. All thought, speech, and action is powered by the Self. 1. The resistance to That by the ego, the claim to be a separate power, is the actual content of ignorance, IS the ignorance. 2. The acceptance of That by the ego, IS the awakening, is Self- realiza- tion. The Self that we were pretending is less real than the ego, now becomes more real. It is real-ized.
[FairfieldLife] The Bottom Line (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now your turn. What did YOU do? Did you even send off any money? anticipating the inevitable answer Why not? and one last question Don't you ever get tired of this passive-aggressive pseudo-intellectual act of yours and DO something of worth for someone other than yourself for a change? Great Peter imitation. You must be getting close to the Exalted state.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Use the razor on your beliefs, not just your tonsure.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it so hard for TMers to say -- or even THINK -- those three words? Quite often TM-bashing will occupy the attention of the Turq ALL day looong. It's become a fulltime endeavor.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
My complaint is that there is a serious lack of sin in Iowa. When I want to sin (which is frequently) I have to travel for it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 18, 2008, at 12:03 AM, bob_brigante wrote: From the Yogavasistha: However, when the people become predominately sinful That's right, Bob, and as everyone knows, Iowa has always been one of the most sinful places on the face of the earth. I mean, when people want to do some serious sinning, 3 cities always come to mind: Paris, San Francisco...and Des Moines. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But Iowa has all those industrial grade hog-farms. If I were God, the misery and cruelty inflicted on those poor hogs would make me very, VERY angry.
[FairfieldLife] The Bottom Line (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Now your turn. What did YOU do? Did you even send off any money? anticipating the inevitable answer Why not? and one last question Don't you ever get tired of this passive-aggressive pseudo-intellectual act of yours and DO something of worth for someone other than yourself for a change? Great Peter imitation. You must be getting close to the Exalted state. And you avoided the question about what YOU con- tributed by pretending it was never asked. Great Jim imitation. So, however, has Judy and Dick Mays and everyone else here so far, so I guess you're in good com- pany, and you're ALL imitating Jim. :-) I still think that whether Fairfielders chose to help out during a crisis in Iowa or not is a pretty good measure of their supposed spirituality. Those who did help out know who you are. Deep bow to you all. Those who did not *also* know who you are. Uplifted middle finger to you all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
On Jun 18, 2008, at 8:11 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So, although we will see many nifty things because of the Pundit yagyas and TMers If you want to see a super nifty thing, check out this slide show on Yahoo! News of the marriage in San Francisco two days ago between two octogenarian lesbians who have been together for 55 years: And I'm sure that's just what Bob had in mind, Judy. :) Right, Bob? Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Not Happening Happening
sandiego108 wrote: Thamks for the review-- I'll steer clear. Bummer-- I was looking forward to seeing Marky-Mark... Do yourself a favor and rent Be Kind Rewind which came out on DVD and BluRay this week. It is hilarious and stars Jack Black, Mos Def, Danny Glover and Mia Farrow. It's a very creative film by Michel Gondry (Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Not Happening Happening
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do.rflex wrote: The best two movies I've seen in a very long time: 'There Will be Blood' and 'Atonement' But did you feel that Atonement was set in the late 1930s? It felt and seemed like an earlier period (until the war scenes of course). I kinda suspect that that was your misperception of the fashions involved, if it was the costumes that led you to believe that. Nope, it wasn't the costumes. It was the culture of time as presented compared against the way that time has been presented in other films.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
On Jun 18, 2008, at 10:43 AM, feste37 wrote: My complaint is that there is a serious lack of sin in Iowa. When I want to sin (which is frequently) I have to travel for it. Well, you've obviously been missing the boat, feste, so to speak, because according to Bob, there's some serious sinning to be had in them there cornfields. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Iowa Under Martial Law?
Shocking footage out of Cedar Rapids Iowa shows cops and government employee strike teams breaking into houses of flood victims and threatening anyone who questions their actions in complete violation of the 4th amendment right that protects against unlawful search and seizure. No warrant, no knock home invasions are being carried out on the flimsy pretext of checking for structural damage as cops harass and threaten with arrest people who refuse to have their homes ransacked by thugs in uniforms. http://www.infowars.com/?p=2722
[FairfieldLife] Re: Realization-- from the FFL archives
--Thanks, right on target! - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: --Flaws in your interesting discourse... (by way of example): doesn't explain how an Enlightened person like A (mentioned before) can still be Enlightened and be a child molestor. It appears that some would attempt to render Paramatma [God] insignificant in order feel comfortable in their amorality and faux 'enlightenment'. The way of the group of those who believe in nirguNa [without qualities alone] spread more wickedness because these people do not accept the manifest form of Bhagavan [God] and suppose that the niraakaara [formless] cannot see or hear. So they do their mind's desires; they have no concern for what is wicked and what is sacred. ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati - Guru Dev [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 88 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: I stumbled across this in the vast archive of FFL messages, and thought it was worth a copy and paste (its not mine): Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. I'm trying to get us to stop talking about devotion, free will, etc. from the waking state (the relative), and start talking about it from the Absolute side of the fence. Why? Because I've heard Maharishi say, on numerous occasions, that devotion is meaningless until CC (Self-realization) has dawned. Before that, he says, who is surrendering? We don't even know who we are, so how can we sur- render? We are unreal, so what are we giving up? What are we surrender- ing. Surrender only has meaning when something significant is to be given up, surrendered. Surrender is only meaningful from a place of strength. Only in CC do we know who we are. THEN surrender has some meaning. Before CC, all action is already being performed by the Self, but the in- dividual, unenlightened ego claims credit for everything. It claims to be surrendering, just like a prisoner in a prison might say in his de- lusion I'm here voluntarily. But no matter what he says, he is there at the control of a higher power. If he continues to insist that he has free will, those who know the reality will just smile and call him deluded. In ignorance, no individual is making any choices. They just PRETEND they are, and then they have discussions about the mechanics of making the best choice, and what will be the effects of my various choices. But it's all delusion. In CC, when we stop identifying with that ignorant individuality, and realize that we are the Self, then, for the first time, we realize that we actually DO have free will, because we are the One Self that exercises ALL the free will, we are finally The Doer. We are finally free, and only in freedom is free will possible. The prisoner in our example may decide to stay in jail, be locked in his cell to sleep at lights out, take a shower at 8am, etc. He may decide to surrender to the higher authority of the prison warden. But you and I know that he is going to do those things whether he thinks he believes that he's decided to surrender to them or not. Only, with one set of beliefs, his life will be full of pain and suffering, and with the other set of beliefs, he will flow with the reality THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY. Even his choice of which prison warden has control over him is out of his hands. He doesn't choose his prison, or his warden. The system sends him where it thinks he will do best. Same with the choice of a guru. The system chooses for us, runs us around through life till we are brought to where we are meant to be. And from the outside, our actions may look like we've been exercising our own judgment, but we are in the matrix, and the program is being run by the Self (or by Nature, or God, or karma...) In CC, the decision to surrender to something even bigger can have mean- ing. In CC the surrender of infinity to a larger infinity is real. In waking state, the surrender of a finite dreamer, of a delusional exis- tence, to infinity is meaningless, is an illusion, and does not happen the way the ego would like to claim it does. The ignorant, relative ego is totally moved by the Self. It is just a wave of the Self. All thought, speech, and action is powered by the Self. 1. The resistance to That by the ego, the claim to be a separate power, is the actual content of ignorance, IS the ignorance. 2. The acceptance of That by the ego, IS the
[FairfieldLife] New Crop Circle, Wiltshire
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/ridgeway/ridgeway2008a.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Use the razor on your beliefs, not just your tonsure.
I was wrong Why is it so hard for TMers to say -- or even THINK -- those three words? This is a very important point, and in keeping with the rest of the post is nicely succinct. A good scientist should dump at least one cherished belief a day. That's what defines the difference between science and religion. It's not what you believe, it's how you change your beliefs as new and better knowledge becomes available. In science if new and better knowledge conflicts with prior beliefs then you dump the beliefs, in religion you ignore the new and better knowledge and hold on to the beliefs. The TMO thinks it's science based, but when new and better information becomes available, like the information that there doesn't appear to be any magical protective effect due to the presence of coherence creating groups of people living in ideal vastu homes and the weather just carries on as if they don't exist, then they try anything and everything to massage, distort and re-interpret the data to sustain the belief. This is why TM a religion, not the Hindu gods and all that stuff. But why is it so hard for people to say I was wrong in the face of the evidence? The simple fact is that people like to believe stories that make them out to be more important than other people. Everyone does this, and it's an insidious habit that's hard to break. The notio n of Invicibility being created by an elite group is hard to get rid of if you're part of that imagined elite. This kind of stuff has been well researched in the sociology literature, there are well known symptoms, and the TMO displays every single symptom of classic group pathology. The simple answer is that they're caught up in classic group madness, like Tulipomania, or many, many other popular delusions which even sane people get caught up in e.g. christian fundamentalism. If you talk to someone who has seriously lost the plot you'll recognise how hard it can be to get them to reconnect with reality. Collectively the TMO has lost the plot, and the people in it behave accordingly even though many of them as individuals are quite sane. The way to deal with delusional people is to find some tiny area where they can accept that their thinking isn't quite right and then gently build on that. There will be a growing group of people having doubts about the ME, those doubts will grow as the years go by and the evidence fails to stack up. If the Large Hadron Collider in CERN doesn't find supersymmetric particles the whole JH's Unified Field thing falls apart, presently there is a worrying lack of evidence for SUSY. Even though the TMO is at present a religion, because it does attempt to build a tenuous connection with science, eventually the evidence can't be denied and a lot of beliefs will have to be revised. When beliefs are revised in accord with the evidence the TMO will earn the right to be called science based. Getting back to succinctness; even sane people will get delusional when they get caught up in a group with delusional ideas.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Religious fanaticism squared (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
On Jun 18, 2008, at 10:01 AM, new.morning wrote: So according to Bob, people who don't get with the make-nice and peace and love programs, must be exterminated. You are missing the big picture Sal. Thats understandable, the Vedic Gods did not intend women folk to be thinking big thoughts. I know. But sometimes the logic is just so...compelling, I can't help myself. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Republicans push for Oil
Peter DeFazio, a Senator from Oregon was just on Thom Hartmann and this is what they said. There's a big push by the Republicans about Anwar and trying to bully the Democrats and blame them for the oil shortage and gas prices. Actually the gas prices are due to Bush's policies. If the dollar weren't so low, we'd be paying $2.12 per gallon. BUT, here's the skinny. The oil companies have 10,000 drilling permits where they can drill, and 44 MILLION acres leases where they can drill in. In the Naval Petroleum Reserve alone there is a HUGE amount of oil (13.5 BILLION barrels). The gas companies are sitting on enough oil to supply us with oil for 20 years! They drilled the Naval Petroleum Reserve (in Alaska) and capped it. There is another big field in Alaska that is on the other side of the pipeline opposite Anwar, which they have leases on and have drilled and capped them too. Like I said, they have enough oil and leases to supply us for 20 years. Why aren't they in production? Why are they pushing for more leases? Because they HAVE that land, they can wait until peak production is reached in the world and THEN bring that oil out and make a lot more money from you and me. And they want our government to give them more of our land to drill on so they'll have more later. It may make sense for THEM, but they are dribbling it out to us so they can keep the price up and make you and me pay as much as they can get from us. Is that what you want?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lord Krishna, just before His departure from earth, even had to exterminate the Yadavas, His own group: Krishna then explained why the Yadavas had to be exterminated, Made insolent by prowess, heroism and fortune, and inclined to take possession of the whole world, this celebrated race of Yadu has been kept in check by Me as the ocean by its shore. If I depart (from this world) without destroying the huge race of the Yadus, who have grown insolent the entire humanity will meet its destruction... http://www.thehindu.com/2006/07/26/stories/2006072606020900.htm Genocide.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Realization-- from the FFL archives
...people do not accept the manifest form of Bhagavan [God] and suppose that the niraakaara [formless] cannot see or hear. Hindu Deities: http://tinyurl.com/4e2urv
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
Curtis wrote: Certain humans know exactly what God wants from us so he doesn't have to kill our kids. Very, very trollish, Curtis.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Republicans push for Oil
Interesting, as I suspected something like this. Drill, drill, drill is all you hear on the radio and on TV. I can't actually believe this would reduce the price of gas, but it most certainly would increase profits for the oil companies. And the destruction of the US economy is precisely what Bin Laden and Co. wanted: and they succeeded beyond their wildest dreams--it's like a newer version of Charlie Wilson's War, except in this case it's the US not the USSR that they bled. And now thanks to terrorists Bush and Cheney (and Co.) they'll have support for terrorist recruiting for decades. On Jun 18, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Peter DeFazio, a Senator from Oregon was just on Thom Hartmann and this is what they said. There's a big push by the Republicans about Anwar and trying to bully the Democrats and blame them for the oil shortage and gas prices. Actually the gas prices are due to Bush's policies. If the dollar weren't so low, we'd be paying $2.12 per gallon. BUT, here's the skinny. The oil companies have 10,000 drilling permits where they can drill, and 44 MILLION acres leases where they can drill in. In the Naval Petroleum Reserve alone there is a HUGE amount of oil (13.5 BILLION barrels). The gas companies are sitting on enough oil to supply us with oil for 20 years! They drilled the Naval Petroleum Reserve (in Alaska) and capped it. There is another big field in Alaska that is on the other side of the pipeline opposite Anwar, which they have leases on and have drilled and capped them too. Like I said, they have enough oil and leases to supply us for 20 years. Why aren't they in production? Why are they pushing for more leases? Because they HAVE that land, they can wait until peak production is reached in the world and THEN bring that oil out and make a lot more money from you and me. And they want our government to give them more of our land to drill on so they'll have more later. It may make sense for THEM, but they are dribbling it out to us so they can keep the price up and make you and me pay as much as they can get from us. Is that what you want?
[FairfieldLife] The Bottom Line (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
Turq wrote: ...so I spent Monday in Barcelona working with the Buddhist group I mentioned when you first brought this up to distribute fresh food to the elderly, who had been a little hard hit by the truckers' strike in Spain when their local markets couldn't get any produce. So, what did the Barcelona Buddhist group have to say about Master Fwap?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read my lips: There has not been, and never will be a day in the life of the Turq without TM-bashing. Even though he left the TMO more than THIRTY years ago and claims he mooved on. What does it mean to move on and why should a TB care if a non-TB moves on or not? I have seen this move on argument used by other TBs in the past when faced with criticism of the movement. One could easily move on to other things from the TM movement and still criticize what they perceive as problems with the movement. There could be any number of motivations. They might just like talking about things they once were involved with. They might want to warn others. Yes, one possibility is residual anger or distress that they have not moved beyond. But that is their business, isn't it? So what if they are still angry?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
On Jun 18, 2008, at 12:44 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lord Krishna, just before His departure from earth, even had to exterminate the Yadavas, His own group: Krishna then explained why the Yadavas had to be exterminated, Made insolent by prowess, heroism and fortune, and inclined to take possession of the whole world, this celebrated race of Yadu has been kept in check by Me as the ocean by its shore. If I depart (from this world) without destroying the huge race of the Yadus, who have grown insolent the entire humanity will meet its destruction... http://www.thehindu.com/2006/07/26/stories/2006072606020900.htm Genocide. But it's Vedic genocide, which is vastly different from your ordinary garden-variety genocide. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, koesje1958 koesje1958@ wrote: This bad weather, etc. should not be happening, if the ME is valid. * The ME was a attempt to point out that rising consciousness did have a positive influence beyond the individuals participating in consciousness expansion through TM. This is a legitimate explanation for the sudden appearance of happy trends in a world awash in negative trends. However, it never happens that there is a smooth, laminar transformation of a world from chaos to order (Kali Yuga is near- total chaos, and Sat Yuga is near-perfect order, a complete contrast). There are always elements that do not fit into an orderly world, and if they are incapable of getting on the make-nice program, they have to go -- and natural disasters and wars etc are the mechanisms by which this happens. From the Yogavasistha: However, when the people become predominately sinful, Yama the god of death sometimes engages himself in meditation for some years, druing which the population increases and explodes. The gods, frightened by this population explosion, resort to various devices to reduce it. All this has happened again and again countless times. http://tinyurl.com/6xndt , p.397 Lord Krishna, just before His departure from earth, even had to exterminate the Yadavas, His own group: Krishna then explained why the Yadavas had to be exterminated, Made insolent by prowess, heroism and fortune, and inclined to take possession of the whole world, this celebrated race of Yadu has been kept in check by Me as the ocean by its shore. If I depart (from this world) without destroying the huge race of the Yadus, who have grown insolent the entire humanity will meet its destruction... http://www.thehindu.com/2006/07/26/stories/2006072606020900.htm The ME is true, but unfortunately, there will be a majority of people who will want to continue to live as mad dogs (and made even madder by the growing evolutionary trends they note in the environment), and they will just have to go -- they won't choose to fit into the peace and love character of the Sat Yuga. So, although we will see many nifty things because of the Pundit yagyas and TMers, natural processes will have to sharply reduce the human biomass if the Sat Yuga is going to happen -- the TM movement will turn on the light, and those who cannot live in the light will find somewhere else to go. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Reduce the human biomass. Jai Guru Dev!
[FairfieldLife] The Bottom Line (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Now your turn. What did YOU do? Did you even send off any money? anticipating the inevitable answer Why not? and one last question Don't you ever get tired of this passive-aggressive pseudo-intellectual act of yours and DO something of worth for someone other than yourself for a change? Great Peter imitation. You must be getting close to the Exalted state. And you avoided the question about what YOU con- tributed by pretending it was never asked. Great Jim imitation. So, however, has Judy and Dick Mays and everyone else here so far, so I guess you're in good com- pany, and you're ALL imitating Jim. :-) In fact, Barry is pretending he asked a question that was never asked. His Bottom Line question was addressed to FFLers *living in Fairfield*. If he'd stop pretending he asked everyone on FFL and actually *ask* them, maybe he'd get more responses. But Barry has such enormous difficulty admitting he made a mistake/being disingenuous (hard to tell the difference with him), most likely he won't *ever* ask the question he's pretending he asked. And he'll continue to pretend that those who didn't answer the question he never asked didn't do anything to help. Look, he's still putting the issue in terms of *Fairfielders*, not FairfieldLifers: I still think that whether Fairfielders chose to help out during a crisis in Iowa or not is a pretty good measure of their supposed spirituality.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 18, 2008, at 12:44 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Lord Krishna, just before His departure from earth, even had to exterminate the Yadavas, His own group: Krishna then explained why the Yadavas had to be exterminated, Made insolent by prowess, heroism and fortune, and inclined to take possession of the whole world, this celebrated race of Yadu has been kept in check by Me as the ocean by its shore. If I depart (from this world) without destroying the huge race of the Yadus, who have grown insolent the entire humanity will meet its destruction... http://www.thehindu.com/2006/07/26/stories/2006072606020900.htm Genocide. But it's Vedic genocide, which is vastly different from your ordinary garden-variety genocide. It's a kinder, gentler, more sattvic genocide. They do puja first.
[FairfieldLife] Religious fanaticism squared (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: snip Nifty things? Nifty? Bob, are you *really* going on record here as saying that you see floods and thousands of people homeless and the *extermination* of whole groups of people as being part of the peace and love character of Sat Yuga? And that such things are nifty? Looks to me as though he's contrasting nifty things with unfortunate things, both being the consequence of the coming of Satyuga. In other words, for Satyuga with its peace and love characterto arrive, unfortunate things will happen to those who oppose it, while at the same time some nifty things will happen as well--in other words, different sets of occurrences, one negative and one positive. It doesn't look like that to me at all, I ask myself why it would to you. Perhaps because you have a vested interest in their being some truth to all this BOLLOCKS and the fact that Bob has quoted from official sources must make it difficult for a True Believer to take it at face value hence your rather desperate rationalisation of Bobs post. Unfortunate things will happen to those who oppose it Jesus, I'm so glad I'm out of the TM mental hospital. The original poster suggested that the pundits need to have their meditation checked. I'm suggesting that you need to have your sanity checked. Perhaps, but you might want to get a logic check as well. Is this ironic? I can't tell.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: the TM dogma. Another approach is to question the TM dogma. Occam's Razor, dude. The simplest explanation is most likely the correct explanation. Read my lips: There has not been, and never will be a day in the life of the Turq without TM-bashing. If there weren't so many targets maybe we wouldn't bother.
[FairfieldLife] 'The door of Unity Consciousness by Papaji'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1YEK43iD4c
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: the TM dogma. Another approach is to question the TM dogma. Occam's Razor, dude. The simplest explanation is most likely the correct explanation. Read my lips: There has not been, and never will be a day in the life of the Turq without TM-bashing. If there weren't so many targets maybe we wouldn't bother. Targets are only in your frustrated mind brother ! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: the TM dogma. Another approach is to question the TM dogma. Occam's Razor, dude. The simplest explanation is most likely the correct explanation. Read my lips: There has not been, and never will be a day in the life of the Turq without TM-bashing. If there weren't so many targets maybe we wouldn't bother. Targets are only in your frustrated mind brother ! :-) Good answer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Read my lips: There has not been, and never will be a day in the life of the Turq without TM-bashing. Even though he left the TMO more than THIRTY years ago and claims he mooved on. What does it mean to move on and why should a TB care if a non-TB moves on or not? I have seen this move on argument used by other TBs in the past when faced with criticism of the movement. One could easily move on to other things from the TM movement and still criticize what they perceive as problems with the movement. Day in and day out, month after month, year after year - 30 years after he left ? No, then it has become pathological. Or perhaps some other agenda.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Crop Circle, Wiltshire
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/ridgeway/ridgeway2008a.html Isn't it amazing what two men can do in one night with a piece of rope and lawn roller.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Religious fanaticism squared (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
On Jun 18, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Hugo wrote: Unfortunate things will happen to those who oppose it Jesus, I'm so glad I'm out of the TM mental hospital. But you're clearly *not,* Hugo, if you're still posting here. Nice try, though. :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Religious fanaticism squared (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 18, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Hugo wrote: Unfortunate things will happen to those who oppose it Jesus, I'm so glad I'm out of the TM mental hospital. But you're clearly *not,* Hugo, if you're still posting here. Nice try, though. :) Sal I can't resist peeping round the door to see if anything has changed. I hope the orderlies don't think I'm one of the inmates and put me back in the padded room.
[FairfieldLife] Religious fanaticism squared (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: snip Nifty things? Nifty? Bob, are you *really* going on record here as saying that you see floods and thousands of people homeless and the *extermination* of whole groups of people as being part of the peace and love character of Sat Yuga? And that such things are nifty? Looks to me as though he's contrasting nifty things with unfortunate things, both being the consequence of the coming of Satyuga. In other words, for Satyuga with its peace and love characterto arrive, unfortunate things will happen to those who oppose it, while at the same time some nifty things will happen as well--in other words, different sets of occurrences, one negative and one positive. It doesn't look like that to me at all, I ask myself why it would to you. Perhaps because you have a vested interest in their being some truth to all this BOLLOCKS and the fact that Bob has quoted from official sources must make it difficult for a True Believer to take it at face value hence your rather desperate rationalisation of Bobs post. You're utterly clueless about my position on the ME, and for you to think there's even the tiniest chance that by nifty things Bob meant misery and death for millions of people is a clear sign of derangement. Unfortunate things will happen to those who oppose it Jesus, I'm so glad I'm out of the TM mental hospital. I was never *in* it, at least not in that wing. Like Barry, you get very confused between This is what X said and What X said is true. The original poster suggested that the pundits need to have their meditation checked. I'm suggesting that you need to have your sanity checked. Perhaps, but you might want to get a logic check as well. Is this ironic? I can't tell. Did you find anything wrong with my analysis of Barry's illogic? If so, perhaps you'd be willing to get specific. But I suspect you belong in the same category as Barry.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Republicans push for Oil
We ought to either nationalize the oil companies or break them up into small powerless corporations. We are seeing the evils of runaway capitalism and it must be crushed. I also thought that going into Afghanistan was just as fool hardy thing for the US to do as it was for the Russians. We have the technology and know how (or did until the started getting kids more interested in sports and less in academics) to devise a non oil based economy all localized to the US. But anyone who knows anything about the typical business puke knows they have one thing on their mind: how to make as much money as possible in the cheapest easiest way regardless of the effect on society and the environment. Vaj wrote: Interesting, as I suspected something like this. Drill, drill, drill is all you hear on the radio and on TV. I can't actually believe this would reduce the price of gas, but it most certainly would increase profits for the oil companies. And the destruction of the US economy is precisely what Bin Laden and Co. wanted: and they succeeded beyond their wildest dreams--it's like a newer version of Charlie Wilson's War, except in this case it's the US not the USSR that they bled. And now thanks to terrorists Bush and Cheney (and Co.) they'll have support for terrorist recruiting for decades.
[FairfieldLife] Religious fanaticism squared (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ Like Barry, you get very confused between This is what X said and What X said is true. Then perhaps X should stop talking unless X means what X says. The original poster suggested that the pundits need to have their meditation checked. I'm suggesting that you need to have your sanity checked. Perhaps, but you might want to get a logic check as well. Is this ironic? I can't tell. Did you find anything wrong with my analysis of Barry's illogic? If so, perhaps you'd be willing to get specific. Yes and No, I'm going to see a movie tonight, I've no doubt it will come up again though. But I suspect you belong in the same category as Barry. Fine by me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Republicans push for Oil
On Jun 18, 2008, at 3:07 PM, Bhairitu wrote: We ought to either nationalize the oil companies or break them up into small powerless corporations. We are seeing the evils of runaway capitalism and it must be crushed. Boy I couldn't agree more with that. I also thought that going into Afghanistan was just as fool hardy thing for the US to do as it was for the Russians. We have the technology and know how (or did until the started getting kids more interested in sports and less in academics) to devise a non oil based economy all localized to the US. But anyone who knows anything about the typical business puke knows they have one thing on their mind: how to make as much money as possible in the cheapest easiest way regardless of the effect on society and the environment. Yep er. We recently have had our former Independent Governor, Angus King, pushing for large implementation of wind farms in Maine. If he succeeds, it could rescue an already poor state from high oil prices. I'm not sure how people on low incomes will survive otherwise. There is perhaps some hope that our next president will make nice with Hugo Chavez and get us cheap oil. After all, Hugo isn't nearly as corrupt as the House of Saud and Saudis, right?
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Crop Circle, Wiltshire
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/ridgeway/ridgeway2008a.html Isn't it amazing what two men can do in one night with a piece of rope and lawn roller. If you are serious you have no idea how many thouusands of men would be needed. Some of these where made in 20 minutes.
[FairfieldLife] Religious fanaticism squared (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 18, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Hugo wrote: Unfortunate things will happen to those who oppose it Jesus, I'm so glad I'm out of the TM mental hospital. But you're clearly *not,* Hugo, if you're still posting here. Nice try, though. :) Sal I can't resist peeping round the door to see if anything has changed. I hope the orderlies don't think I'm one of the inmates and put me back in the padded room. Haven't you figured out yet its a circular door?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: snip So, although we will see many nifty things because of the Pundit yagyas and TMers If you want to see a super nifty thing, check out this slide show on Yahoo! News of the marriage in San Francisco two days ago between two octogenarian lesbians who have been together for 55 years: http://tinyurl.com/3vplhb Yes I saw this. It was sweet.
[FairfieldLife] Religious fanaticism squared (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
---Right...not only a circular door but a Chinese box (or Russian doll): those that have jumped a quantum leap beyond ignorance of Self could very well be in another box; while ignoring the possibilities of another quantum leap to a world beyond with unimaginable possibilities. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 18, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Hugo wrote: Unfortunate things will happen to those who oppose it Jesus, I'm so glad I'm out of the TM mental hospital. But you're clearly *not,* Hugo, if you're still posting here. Nice try, though. :) Sal I can't resist peeping round the door to see if anything has changed. I hope the orderlies don't think I'm one of the inmates and put me back in the padded room. Haven't you figured out yet its a circular door?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans push for Oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We ought to either nationalize the oil companies or break them up into small powerless corporations. We are seeing the evils of runaway capitalism and it must be crushed. Hey, here's a novel idea: WHY DON'T YOU JUST STOP USING OIL BASED PRODUCTS YOURSELF? I also thought that going into Afghanistan was just as fool hardy thing for the US to do as it was for the Russians. We have the technology and know how (or did until the started getting kids more interested in sports and less in academics) to devise a non oil based economy all localized to the US. But anyone who knows anything about the typical business puke knows they have one thing on their mind: how to make as much money as possible in the cheapest easiest way regardless of the effect on society and the environment. Vaj wrote: Interesting, as I suspected something like this. Drill, drill, drill is all you hear on the radio and on TV. I can't actually believe this would reduce the price of gas, but it most certainly would increase profits for the oil companies. And the destruction of the US economy is precisely what Bin Laden and Co. wanted: and they succeeded beyond their wildest dreams--it's like a newer version of Charlie Wilson's War, except in this case it's the US not the USSR that they bled. And now thanks to terrorists Bush and Cheney (and Co.) they'll have support for terrorist recruiting for decades.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Use the razor on your beliefs, not just your tonsure.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But why is it so hard for people to say I was wrong in the face of the evidence? The simple fact is that people like to believe stories that make them out to be more important than other people. Everyone does this, and it's an insidious habit that's hard to break. I really don't think it has to do with self importance at all. In large part I think it has to do with the way we are wired. I suggest reading the excellent book Mistakes were Made (But not by me). http://www.amazon.com/Mistakes-Were-Made-But-Not/dp/0151010986 To err is human, to rationalize even more so. Now, thanks to this brilliant book, we can finally see how and why even the best meaning people may justify terrible behavior. Mistakes Were Made will not turn us into angels, but it is hard to think of a better -- or more readable -- guide to the mind''s most devilish tricks. (David Callahan ) It has a good discussion, backed up by the research, of how unreliable our memories are and how we become blind to contrary evidence after our minds are made up on an issue. Reading the part on alien abductions is especially interesting, as ordinary, mentally healthy people, even in the face of contrary evidence, will absolutely believe that they were abducted by aliens and experimented upon. It is a good reminder of our fallibility.
[FairfieldLife] The Bottom Line (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Now your turn. What did YOU do? Did you even send off any money? anticipating the inevitable answer Why not? and one last question Don't you ever get tired of this passive-aggressive pseudo-intellectual act of yours and DO something of worth for someone other than yourself for a change? Great Peter imitation. You must be getting close to the Exalted state. And you avoided the question about what YOU con- tributed by pretending it was never asked. Great Jim imitation. So, however, has Judy and Dick Mays and everyone else here so far, so I guess you're in good com- pany, and you're ALL imitating Jim. :-) I still think that whether Fairfielders chose to help out during a crisis in Iowa or not is a pretty good measure of their supposed spirituality. Those who did help out know who you are. Deep bow to you all. Those who did not *also* know who you are. Uplifted middle finger to you all. I didn't help with anything regarding the floods. I do other charitable things though. In fact, I don't get paid in my job. I am a volunteer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Use the razor on your beliefs, not just your tonsure.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip reading the excellent book Mistakes were Made (But not by me). http://www.amazon.com/Mistakes-Were-Made-But-Not/dp/0151010986 snip Reading the part on alien abductions is especially interesting, as ordinary, mentally healthy people, even in the face of contrary evidence, will absolutely believe that they were abducted by aliens and experimented upon. Contrary evidence? Such as what? You can't have read much of such accounts to think there could be contrary evidence debunking them, or that ordinary human fallibility could explain them. Anybody who tries to brush them off simply hasn't engaged with the evidence that these are very real experiences. (I'm not of the little green men from Alpha Centauri school. I think what these abduction experiences represent is something far, FAR stranger, and no, I don't have any idea what it is.) Same with crop circles, by the way. And both cases are excellent examples of what I said earlier about Occam's Razor working only in an adequate frame of reference.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Not Happening Happening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The best two movies I've seen in a very long time: 'There Will be Blood' and 'Atonement' I am such a child when it comes to movies. My favorites of late were Iron Man and Prince Caspian. The new Indiana Jones is OK, but damn, Harrison Ford, like the rest of us is getting old and the kid who plays his son just doesn't do it for me. Sex and violence. That is what I like when it comes to movies.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Use the razor on your beliefs, not just your tonsure.
Actually, you can't apply Occam's Razor to the ME theory, at least if you want to use it as Occam intended, according to Wikipedia: to evaluate theories whose predictions have been shown to be correct and which have not been falsified. Scientifically, the ME theory doesn't even rise to the level of Occam's Razor. You can use it in a sort of bastardized folk- wisdom manner, but in that case you also need to bear in mind that it can work only in an adequate frame of reference. It's not clear that we even have *that* for the ME theory. To pretend that Occam's Razor somehow proves the ME theory is bullshit, in other words, is nonsense. It may well *be* bullshit, but Occam's Razor doesn't help you draw that conclusion. That was really excellent Judy. bastardized folk- wisdom manner is the phrase of the day! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The subject line is a quote from 14th-century English logician and Franciscan friar William of Ockham. Suffice it to say that he was con- sidered a bit Off The Program by some of his Franciscan brothers. From Wikipedia: His principle, Occam's razor, states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable pred- ictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. The principle is often expressed in Latin as the lex parsimoniae (law of parsimony or law of succinctness): entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem, roughly translated as entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity. This is often paraphrased as All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best. In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities. It is in this sense that Occam's razor is usually understood. Now, applying this to TM dogma such as the ME Actually, you can't apply Occam's Razor to the ME theory, at least if you want to use it as Occam intended, according to Wikipedia: to evaluate theories whose predictions have been shown to be correct and which have not been falsified. Scientifically, the ME theory doesn't even rise to the level of Occam's Razor. You can use it in a sort of bastardized folk- wisdom manner, but in that case you also need to bear in mind that it can work only in an adequate frame of reference. It's not clear that we even have *that* for the ME theory. To pretend that Occam's Razor somehow proves the ME theory is bullshit, in other words, is nonsense. It may well *be* bullshit, but Occam's Razor doesn't help you draw that conclusion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis wrote: Certain humans know exactly what God wants from us so he doesn't have to kill our kids. Very, very trollish, Curtis. Oh I didn't know you were one of those people who knows what God wants so he won't kill our kids Richard. I'll be more sensitive next time. Other wise you are, again, mistaking your own personal identity with an idea. But let's get back to people who make such claims. Do you believe that any human knows what God wants to the extent that if his advise is followed it would stop God from killing children for our sins?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Use the razor on your beliefs, not just your tonsure.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: snip reading the excellent book Mistakes were Made (But not by me). http://www.amazon.com/Mistakes-Were-Made-But-Not/dp/0151010986 snip Reading the part on alien abductions is especially interesting, as ordinary, mentally healthy people, even in the face of contrary evidence, will absolutely believe that they were abducted by aliens and experimented upon. Contrary evidence? Such as what? You can't have read much of such accounts to think there could be contrary evidence debunking them, or that ordinary human fallibility could explain them. Anybody who tries to brush them off simply hasn't engaged with the evidence that these are very real experiences. (I'm not of the little green men from Alpha Centauri school. I think what these abduction experiences represent is something far, FAR stranger, and no, I don't have any idea what it is.) Same with crop circles, by the way. And both cases are excellent examples of what I said earlier about Occam's Razor working only in an adequate frame of reference. Read the book. There is no evidence that I am aware of beyond people's recounting of their experience. Although I have not read the book since it came out, IIRC people who had such experiences were often tired and under stress at the time and their mind easily began to play tricks on them. Firmly believing something does not make it true. If you don't buy the alien abduction example because of the difficulty in proving something did not happen, there are plenty of examples in the book of situations where the contrary evidence is clear but that people are nevertheless unable to change their minds and usually do not see the contrary evidence.I have seen this operate in medicine. A person firmly believes that the cause of their illness is X, but it is Y or is unknown but there is no known way that X could be true. For example, patient has ovarian cancer in her 50s. The patient was raped when she was in her teens. Patient firmly believes the rape caused the cancer. I can watch the patient become more and more intractable in her opinion, even to the extent of telling the story of her illness a different way each time, in a way that tries to favor her interpretation. The patient simply refuses to believe the most likely cause is something else or cannot be pinpointed. Seems odd, but it is quite human. People like the world to make sense with clear causes and clear effects. Instead, cause and effect is most often a case of probabilities.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Use the razor on your beliefs, not just your tonsure.
I suppose you still think that smoking is not bad for you, and the world is flat too. Really Turq. your methods belong in the characterization of Flat- Earther. Research published in peer-reviewed scientific journals is as close to occams razor as anyone can get. Including you. Unless you prefer to go by personal opinion??? Ok, here's my opinion. It works because I have felt it very powerfully. You on the other hand...obviously have not, and are in a life-long grump about that. Science always wins Turq. and YOU cannot admit you are wrong in the face of more than 20 studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals. You are the one unable to use the razor. You are the Flat-Earther ignorant fool on your hill. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The subject line is a quote from 14th-century English logician and Franciscan friar William of Ockham. Suffice it to say that he was con- sidered a bit Off The Program by some of his Franciscan brothers. From Wikipedia: His principle, Occam's razor, states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable pred- ictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. The principle is often expressed in Latin as the lex parsimoniae (law of parsimony or law of succinctness): entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem, roughly translated as entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity. This is often paraphrased as All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best. In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities. It is in this sense that Occam's razor is usually understood. Now, applying this to TM dogma such as the ME, is it more likely that the best explanation for the rains and flooding in Iowa, despite the ME numbers having been achieved, is: 1. The ME is working as expected, bringing about an age of peace and love and sattva, but to do this it needs to clear the way for this new age by removing wrongdoers and those who refuse to live by rules they've never heard of that were laid down centuries ago by sages who knew The Truth, and that this clearing the way process requires any number of mechanisms in the Laws Of Nature to *handle* determining which people get killed or flooded out of their homes (the wrong- doers) and which do not (the Good Guys), and that anyone who IS killed or flooded out of his or her home *deserved* it, because Nature and the ME don't make mistakes, so if a Bad Thing happens to these people, they are by definition Bad Persons and deserve it, or at the very least, they are human biomass that can be eliminated by Nature because they don't really count. 2. The ME is bullshit, and always was. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm gonna go with Door Number Two. Then again, unlike many here, I don't have any- thing invested in it being true, much less Truth. I *always* thought it was bullshit. Still do. What fascinates me is the LENGTHS to which other- wise sane and sometimes logical people will go to to find tortured explanations for these floods in Iowa and a murder on the MUM campus and the stock market being in the toilet and all of the other things they have to find tortured explan- ations for to continue believing that the ME *isn't* bullshit. All of these tortured explanations and excuses are the very *definition* of the unnecessary assumptions and multiplied entities that Friar William warned against. *HE* would have looked at the two possible theories or explanations above and wouldn't have hesitated for a heartbeat in saying which explanation is more likely to be true. Then again, he was famous for being willing and able to say those three magic words when shaving his own Christian beliefs down to their essentials, and using his metaphorical razor to eliminate the bullshit from them: I was wrong. Why is it so hard for TMers to say -- or even THINK -- those three words?
[FairfieldLife] Religious fanaticism squared (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
Like other missionaries their goal is the same: mass conversion. *** Conversion not to any narrow vision of the world, but conversion to happiness, and not by any human process, but through the naturally occurring cycle in which Kali Yuga is converted to Sat Yuga every 4.3 million years (we're nudging that schedule up a bit).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Use the razor on your beliefs, not just your tonsure.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: snip reading the excellent book Mistakes were Made (But not by me). http://www.amazon.com/Mistakes-Were-Made-But-Not/dp/0151010986 snip Reading the part on alien abductions is especially interesting, as ordinary, mentally healthy people, even in the face of contrary evidence, will absolutely believe that they were abducted by aliens and experimented upon. Contrary evidence? Such as what? You can't have read much of such accounts to think there could be contrary evidence debunking them, or that ordinary human fallibility could explain them. Anybody who tries to brush them off simply hasn't engaged with the evidence that these are very real experiences. (I'm not of the little green men from Alpha Centauri school. I think what these abduction experiences represent is something far, FAR stranger, and no, I don't have any idea what it is.) Same with crop circles, by the way. And both cases are excellent examples of what I said earlier about Occam's Razor working only in an adequate frame of reference. Read the book. There is no evidence that I am aware of beyond people's recounting of their experience. Although I have not read the book since it came out, IIRC people who had such experiences were often tired and under stress at the time and their mind easily began to play tricks on them. Firmly believing something does not make it true. If you don't buy the alien abduction example because of the difficulty in proving something did not happen, there are plenty of examples in the book of situations where the contrary evidence is clear but that people are nevertheless unable to change their minds and usually do not see the contrary evidence.I have seen this operate in medicine. A person firmly believes that the cause of their illness is X, but it is Y or is unknown but there is no known way that X could be true. For example, patient has ovarian cancer in her 50s. The patient was raped when she was in her teens. Patient firmly believes the rape caused the cancer. I can watch the patient become more and more intractable in her opinion, even to the extent of telling the story of her illness a different way each time, in a way that tries to favor her interpretation. The patient simply refuses to believe the most likely cause is something else or cannot be pinpointed. Seems odd, but it is quite human. People like the world to make sense with clear causes and clear effects. Instead, cause and effect is most often a case of probabilities. One thing I thought I would add is that experiences like alien abduction seem to vary depending on the century. Alien abduction is very 20th century. Being raped by the devil is very middle ages.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
I always enjoy hearing Bob's explanation. Rising world consciousness is not a linear rise. It always has plenty of detours. That's fine, but the ME effect hasn't exactly demonstrated strong correlations between cause and effect. ** Doesn't matter. The success of the TMO in tickling the Sat Yuga into an early onset (which is possible because the Kali Yuga, like an evil person, is easily overcome and brought to an early demise) is not predicated on convincing anybody of anything: Maharishi also said that his strength is that darkness does not have to disappear in order to bring in the light. We create coherence, and disharmony goes away. We create peace, and the warmongers will disappearjust as we bring in the light and the darkness disappears. http://www.mou.org/media/pr/summary/2002_07_10.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My complaint is that there is a serious lack of sin in Iowa. When I want to sin (which is frequently) I have to travel for it. I know, ever since Pop-a-Top closed in Ottumwa the sinnin' has never been the same!
[FairfieldLife] The Bottom Line (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
I think Barry should stop attacking people he doesn't even know. He lives in Spain and knows nothing of Fairfield. Could he even find it on a map? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Now your turn. What did YOU do? Did you even send off any money? anticipating the inevitable answer Why not? and one last question Don't you ever get tired of this passive-aggressive pseudo-intellectual act of yours and DO something of worth for someone other than yourself for a change? Great Peter imitation. You must be getting close to the Exalted state. And you avoided the question about what YOU con- tributed by pretending it was never asked. Great Jim imitation. So, however, has Judy and Dick Mays and everyone else here so far, so I guess you're in good com- pany, and you're ALL imitating Jim. :-) In fact, Barry is pretending he asked a question that was never asked. His Bottom Line question was addressed to FFLers *living in Fairfield*. If he'd stop pretending he asked everyone on FFL and actually *ask* them, maybe he'd get more responses. But Barry has such enormous difficulty admitting he made a mistake/being disingenuous (hard to tell the difference with him), most likely he won't *ever* ask the question he's pretending he asked. And he'll continue to pretend that those who didn't answer the question he never asked didn't do anything to help. Look, he's still putting the issue in terms of *Fairfielders*, not FairfieldLifers: I still think that whether Fairfielders chose to help out during a crisis in Iowa or not is a pretty good measure of their supposed spirituality.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, when the population reductions described below come about, do they only cull the people violating natural law, or do wide swaths of the innocent get killed collaterally? I'm thinking of Chinese schoolchildren crushed in an earthquake and Burmese mothers drowned by a cyclone. ** Somebody asked MMY one time how it could be that a plane could crash and hundreds of people would die at the same time. MMY said that many people are dying all the time anyway, under the influence of their karma. Whatsoever a man sows, that same shall he reap, sooner or later. People who are unable to understand the concept of karma and rebirth think that little kids must be innocent -- but Jyotish charts would reveal what good and bad in their past lives have shaped their current destiny. Nature declares war on people all the time. Just from one disease, smallpox (which now exists only in labs), 300 million people died in the 20th Century, ~ three times as many as died in wars and civil conflicts during that same hundred years. This is not cruelty or randomness on the part of Nature, but is part of the always functioning Divine Plan to carrot and stick humans into living expanded awareness, which is the only portable thing and only thing worth having when you consider the transitory nature of all things material. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: it never happens that there is a smooth, laminar transformation of a world from chaos to order (Kali Yuga is near- total chaos, and Sat Yuga is near-perfect order, a complete contrast). There are always elements that do not fit into an orderly world, and if they are incapable of getting on the make-nice program, they have to go -- and natural disasters and wars etc are the mechanisms by which this happens. From the Yogavasistha: However, when the people become predominately sinful, Yama the god of death sometimes engages himself in meditation for some years, druing which the population increases and explodes. The gods, frightened by this population explosion, resort to various devices to reduce it. All this has happened again and again countless times. http://tinyurl.com/6xndt , p.397 Lord Krishna, just before His departure from earth, even had to exterminate the Yadavas, His own group: Krishna then explained why the Yadavas had to be exterminated, Made insolent by prowess, heroism and fortune, and inclined to take possession of the whole world, this celebrated race of Yadu has been kept in check by Me as the ocean by its shore. If I depart (from this world) without destroying the huge race of the Yadus, who have grown insolent the entire humanity will meet its destruction... http://www.thehindu.com/2006/07/26/stories/2006072606020900.htm The ME is true, but unfortunately, there will be a majority of people who will want to continue to live as mad dogs (and made even madder by the growing evolutionary trends they note in the environment), and they will just have to go -- they won't choose to fit into the peace and love character of the Sat Yuga. So, although we will see many nifty things because of the Pundit yagyas and TMers, natural processes will have to sharply reduce the human biomass if the Sat Yuga is going to happen -- the TM movement will turn on the light, and those who cannot live in the light will find somewhere else to go.
[FairfieldLife] Religious fanaticism squared (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Right...not only a circular door but a Chinese box (or Russian doll): those that have jumped a quantum leap beyond ignorance of Self could very well be in another box; while ignoring the possibilities of another quantum leap to a world beyond with unimaginable possibilities. Doesn't that presuppose knowledge of the Self is both static and limited, which it isn't and it isn't? Anyone established in the Self spends eternity continuing to discover eternity; the Self.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: Lord Krishna, just before His departure from earth, even had to exterminate the Yadavas, His own group: So much for bio-diversity an dsavig all endangered species. The ME is true, but unfortunately, there will be a majority of people who will want to continue to live as mad dogs (and made even madder by the growing evolutionary trends they note in the environment), and they will just have to go -- they won't choose to fit into the peace and love character of the Sat Yuga. So, although we will see many nifty things because of the Pundit yagyas and TMers, natural processes will have to sharply reduce the human biomass if the Sat Yuga is going to happen -- the TM movement will turn on the light, and those who cannot live in the light will find somewhere else to go. You could have gotten a sweet PR job with the Third Reich. I'm not talking here about the narrow human ambitions of some Nazi or other type gangsters, but of the recurring cycle of establishing periods of high consciousness (Sat Yuga) on earth after a stretch when life is lived in miserable conditions. You got an argument with God, bring it up with Him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa Under Martial Law?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shocking footage out of Cedar Rapids Iowa shows cops and government employee strike teams breaking into houses of flood victims and threatening anyone who questions their actions in complete violation of the 4th amendment right that protects against unlawful search and seizure. No warrant, no knock home invasions are being carried out on the flimsy pretext of checking for structural damage as cops harass and threaten with arrest people who refuse to have their homes ransacked by thugs in uniforms. http://www.infowars.com/?p=2722 *** Cops frequently go too far, of course, but there has to be a balance between individual freedoms and the greater social interest, and when push comes to shove, the cops have to win, or you have a situation like in Mexico, where whole police depts have quit under the threat of slaughter, and it is a foolishly brave man who agrees to become chief of police in many Mexican towns: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,356532,00.html There is a big problem with looting in these disaster areas, so heavy handed police presence becomes necessary sometimes. There is also the question of having to mount difficult rescues of people who enter still dangerous areas, thus risking the lives of their rescuers as well as their own.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Republicans push for Oil
The report DeFazio was referring to. http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/images/stories/Documents/truth_about_ame ricas_energy.pdf
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
(snip) That's right, Bob, and as everyone knows, Iowa has always been one of the most sinful places on the face of the earth. I mean, when people want to do some serious sinning, 3 cities always come to mind: Paris, San Francisco...and Des Moines. Sal I have heard that Iowans have the highest percentage of 'Playboy' magazine subscriptions per capita than any other state in the Union. Could be just the 'pent-up' Shakti? Who can say, really, what's up these days?
[FairfieldLife] House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries
Urgent: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries Per Pergram-Capitol Hill House Democrats responded to President's Bush's call for Congress to lift the moratorium on offshore drilling. This was at an on-camera press conference fed back live. Among other things, the Democrats called for the government to own refineries so it could better control the flow of the oil supply. http://www.foxnews.com/urgent_queue/index.html#a54ef44,2008-06-18
[FairfieldLife] Religious fanaticism squared (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Like Barry, you get very confused between This is what X said and What X said is true. Then perhaps X should stop talking unless X means what X says. X means exactly what he says. That you think by nifty he means misery and death for millions reflects negatively on you, not on him. As do your nitwit notions about what I believe.
[FairfieldLife] Religious fanaticism squared (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
---No. Another quantum leap could well include knowledge of relative fields, on a Celestial/Glorified level. I see no indication that you have evolved into that level. But if so, describe your experiences of GC (as opposed to CC); which confirm to MMY's usage of the terms Glorified and Celestial. Thanks. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno tertonzeno@ wrote: ---Right...not only a circular door but a Chinese box (or Russian doll): those that have jumped a quantum leap beyond ignorance of Self could very well be in another box; while ignoring the possibilities of another quantum leap to a world beyond with unimaginable possibilities. Doesn't that presuppose knowledge of the Self is both static and limited, which it isn't and it isn't? Anyone established in the Self spends eternity continuing to discover eternity; the Self.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa Under Martial Law?
bob_brigante wrote: There is a big problem with looting in these disaster areas, so heavy handed police presence becomes necessary sometimes. There is also the question of having to mount difficult rescues of people who enter still dangerous areas, thus risking the lives of their rescuers as well as their own. I believe the issue here was breaking doors when it wasn't necessary. It's a gonzo attitude we don't need with cops. The last time I had a confrontation with a cop was about a year and a half ago when one of the local ones was blocking a roadway. Since I was headed down that road I stopped to ask basically if the road was blocked or he wanted me just to go around the two cop cars that were parked. There was a second cop car with the trunk ajar and for all I could tell there had been an accident involving that car and he wanted me to go around. But he got very upset that I stopped and asked and when I asked him what was going on he replied, you don't need to know. What a rude statement! As a tax payer I contribute to that guy's pay. He should have been trained to say I'm not at liberty to say which is not offensive to the citizen and is a proper answer. I should have written a letter to the police chief and told him train them that way. They seem to have brainwashed a lot of these cops with a 'tude to act more gonzo than the need to be and I find that offensive.
[FairfieldLife] Slang terms of future Fairfield Pundits
bo-bos: prison-issued tennis shoes. bone yard: trailers used for conjugal visits brake fluid: psychiatric meds such as liquid Thorazine Buck Rogers time: a sentence with parole unimaginably far in the future. chalk: prison moonshine chin check: to punch an inmate in the jaw to see if he'll fight back clavo: (Spanish for nail), danterous contraband diaper sniper: child molester diesel therapy: a lengthy bus trip, used as a punishment. ding wing: mental health ward erasers: chunks of processed chicken high class: hepatitis C iron pile: weightlifting equipment jack book: any magazine with pictures of women the monster: HIV ninja turtles: guards dressed in riot gear robocop: guard who writes up every infraction, no matter how small six-five: warning that a guard is approaching. stainless-steel ride: lethal injection 13 1/2: 12 jurors, 1 judge, and 1/2 a chance; seen in prison tattoos. by Jen Phillips, Mother Jones, July/Aug 2008, p. 63.
