[FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: The physics of flying is entirely mainstream physics Oh really! First of all it assumes that consciousness is the unified field. No it doesn't. Not even necessary. It does Off I've seent the video and the theory states that when transcended the mind is operating from the level of unifictaion, and when a desire is from the deepest level of nature it instructs every level above to change it's quantum probable state so the desire is complied with. A pretty big assumption considering there is not only no examples of any of MMYs sidhis but because there are so many easier ways to explain what we experience. I did them for ten years so I kind of know what they are all about. We need someone to levitate first and then you can argue about what is happening. and levitation due to super-conductor properties is even investigated by the US and other governments in different ways, but the same basic concept. I don't think yogic flying and superconductors are the same concept by a million miles. You may think that, and you may even be correct. Who knows. I was just stating the rationale of Hagelin's THEORY in physics. That coherent systems can act independently of surroundings. Coherent systems that act independently or purify are found in every thing from biological systems, environmental systems, and chemical systems. So Hagelin theorizes that this could happen with the human body at a powerful level Now if someone could actually fly that would be a proof that JH is right. There is no proof. He is talking about a theory of why it could be possible. Do you see the difference? He sees the correlations and is not closed minded on it. It is a THEORY of his, and he has a lot of rational and physics to back it up. I would love to see him in a fair and balanced telivised debate with Penrose, Hawkings, and Hawkins (the biologist guy) With maybe Fred travis involved I think it would be the most fascinating debate ever. I agree it would be fantastic TV, but possibly not for the reasons you think. For a start Hagelin has NOT finished Einsteins work and if he were ever to claim so in public he would be lynched, I don't really think people get how revered Einstien is amongst physicists. JHs ideas on astrology and SV having soemthingto do with QP are a joke even I can see that. I can confidently soeak for Dawkins though, he would simply ask what evidence there was for the ideas and that would be that, that's if you could get him onto the show. He refuses to debate ID because he doesn't want to give it any publicity in case people think it's a viable alternative, because it is an attempt by fundamentalist christians to sow the seeds of doubt by misrepresenting scientific principles to apparently support their own beliefs. Which is where we came in A coherent system of energy can act independently of less coherent systems. This is basic and well accepted science. Hagalin merely points this out, and asks why would you draw the line for such coherence outside the human brain? According to Roger Penrose consciousness may be a quantum state because the organising power of the sub atomic world may give the brain the flexibility it needs. Howver, because of the localised nature of QP the coherence created wouldn't survive very far from it's source, and by very far he means billionths of an inch. At the Quantum level, as Penrose should know, action at a great distance, even light years, is mainstream accepted science, Again, we're not actually talking about the same thing here. Action at a distance involves seperating sub-atomic particles and changing them mechanically it doesn't happen without human intervention it's jusy a demonstration of how the quantum world is linked. To say this is the same as what is happening in YF is just the sort of misrepresentation I'm trying to get across.
[FairfieldLife] Miracles of St. Padre Pio
from A Catholic Life website: He had the gift of Bilocation: Among the most remarkable of the documented cases of bilocation was the Padre's appearance in the air over San Giovanni Rotondo during World War II. While southern Italy remained in Nazi hands American bombers were given the job of attacking the city of San Giovanni Rotondo. However, when they appeared over the city and prepared to unload their munitions a brown-robed friar appeared before their aircraft. All attempts to release the bombs failed. In this way Padre Pio kept his promise to the citizens that their town would be spared. Later on, when an American airbase was established at Foggia a few miles away, one of the pilots of this incident visited the friary and found to his surprise the little friar he had seen in the air that day over San Giovanni. (Source: EWTN) There are numerous other bilocation miracles that have been confirmed by numerous eyewitnesses. Read about them here. In order to attract us, the Lord grants us many graces that we believe can easily obtain Heaven for us. We do not know, however, that in order to grow, we need hard bread: the cross, humiliation, trials and denials. Padre Pio He had the Gift of Levitation: In his life, St. Padre Pio was a miracle worker. He also could levitate. On one occassion, St. Padre Pio levitated through the air in order to reach the Confessional without being seen and stopped. He immediately began to receive penitents. A man in the church was amazed how the priest had gotten to the confessional because so many people were outside of his door waiting to talk with him. St. Padre Pio said to him that God made him invisible and he walked on their heads to the confessional. He healed others: In 1919, St. Padre Pio received a pentitent using two canes. The doctors could not help the 62-year-old man, but after Confession St. Padre Pio said, Stand up and go away! You have to throw away these canes. The man could walk perfectly again. There have been numerous other healings too. He had the Gift of Perfume: Sometimes God allows saints to emit a beautiful perfume in order to draw more people to Himself and holiness. This perfume is smelt only by a priveldged few, not all. St. Padre Pio had this gift and the smell of roses, incense, ammonia, and others was emitted from him. He said to some inquiring about them: They are only a sign of my presence. Father Agostino of San Marco in Lamis had a malfunctioned olfactory gland and could only smell strong odors. He said, I smelt a number of times the perfume that many people smell. Even when I was distant from San Giovanni Rotondo I smelt it. The Gift of Perfume continued after St. Padre Pio's death. Not just places connected with him but also places in American and distant places of the world smelt the distinct perfume. The Gift of Light: On October 5, 125, Dr. Giorgio Festa operated on St. Padre Pio for a hernia. Before he had to stitch the would, the doctor noticed St. Pio had lost consciousness. He took advantage of this and look at his left side - the place of Jesus's wound from his stigmata. And, he was the wound was fresh and of a vermilion red and in the shape of a cross...From the edges of the wound emitted small but unmistakable rays of light. Dr. Giorgio put on the bandage and St. Padre Pio regained his senses. He also had the Gift of Visions, the spirit of Prophesy, Clairvoyance, the power to read hearts in Confession, and Xenoglossy (The ability to write, speak, or understand an unknown language). This is a great part of our Faith - that we have saints like Padre Pio to pray for us. St. Padre Pio, pray for us all. posted by Seminarian Matthew at 6:13 AM 3 Comments:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: The physics of flying is entirely mainstream physics Oh really! First of all it assumes that consciousness is the unified field. Not only is this not known it is also considered unlikely, and I mean unlikely to the point that it only gets mentioned in disparaging terms in physics. It *used* to be accepted as a possibility because experiments suggest that consciousness collapses waveforms in QP but as any other interaction can too the CasUF has been pushed back to the status of untestable oddity believed in by the What the bleep crowd because it's weird and spooky. So... what do you think consciousness IS in the context of the unified field? I don't know and nor does anyone else. ANd obviously, you've never read John's expositions on the topic. Unfortunately I have. Go from JH to a few more sober books on the subject and you see where he is bullshitting, and I KNOW that to claim he has finished Einsteins work is the purest BS, nobody knows what he claims to be fact which isn't how to endear yourself to the scientific community. Not that they are paying any attention to him they moved on from consciousness a long time ago. In fact, in all my most recent books on QP it's only mentioned once and that is to dispargae the idea. Most don't consider consciousness to be important because there are simpler ways of explaining subatomic events, Occams razor and all that. Currently all theories about the ultimate state of reality come down to personal preference because it is unknown what is going on down there. JH is perfectly entitled to his ideas but maybe he should acknowledge that that is what they are. And stop the bullshit about jyotish and QP etc. The only comment I could find about the vedic/quantum correleation is that JH has twisted the facts to fit his theory. Why do you think that the only people to claim JH is the greatest physicist of his generation are himself, MMY and Bevan Morris? I'm not rooting for the guy, he's too arrogant. And John's claim is that the parallels between the two, unified field theories and Vedic Cosmology, are one-to-one all the way down the line. In fact, according to HIM, his original contribution to Flipped SU(5) was to attempt consciously to make the two theories even more congruent. When he did so, he found that the resulting modifications to FLipped SU(5) made it a better theory from a Western perspective. He faxed the preliminary modifications to Ellis at CERN with the note Isn't this the sweetest little theory? and Ellis contacted Nanapolis, and the three collaborated for many years on the topic, publishing some extremely famous theoretical papers. So extremely famous I can't find them anywhere? I've been looking too, I know what the original SU (5) theory was before Hagelin flipped it and it doesn't have anything to do with consciousness. It is one of the great ideas about unification though, and by unification they mean seeing that two things are really just different aspects of one thing. SU(5) was an attempt to demonstrate that there was a way that two types of particle (quarks and leptons) were originally the same. The name apparently refers to Symmetry Unification and the number 5 to the number of particle, 3 quarks and 2 leptons. They loved the theory because it was the most elegant way of doing the job and because it could be tested. In order for a field to creat quarks and leptons a proton has to decay, which would be detectable. So they built proton detectors all over the world, huge swimming pools full of ultrapure water down deep mines surrounded by detectors and they waited, and waited for 25 years and not a single proton decay was detected. Theory disproved you would think, and you'd be right except they liked it so much they tried to work out ways in which the subatomic world hid the results they didn't want from them. Seems a bit sad that they had a great idea for understanding nature which experiment disproved but they hang on to because they can't think of anything else and spend years coming up with ways that nature hides the result from them by adjusting constants and inventing new dimensions for the protons to fall into instead of being detected by us. Is this good science? That's what the LHC at CERN was built to discover. Funny thing no-one has a clue whether they are on the right track with current unification ideas or not. Trouble is, because everyone likes string theory so much it's apparently hard to get a job in theoreticla physics so the only people talking to the press are stringers and they seem reluctant to admit that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ruth: Fair enough. I think I care what people think because I truly want to change how certain people think. Hopeless endeavor, eh? Just typing out my own perspective seems like a lower but achievable bar for me. Well said. That's why I'm here. I studied for a while with a spiritual teacher who was also a Ph.D. in English. He felt that having a hazy, imprecise view of what you believed was lazy, and that it trapped you in lazy, imprecise thinking. So he advised writing about one's beliefs and experiences as an ongoing exercise in clarifying and refining them. I write to try to clarify my own thoughts here on FFL, and at the same time, clarify my own thinking. It often comes out of the juxtaposition with someone else's post. Indeed it does. Someone says something, and that starts off a train of thought for me, and I follow it, and try to write down what it brings up in me. I rarely have any goal in mind for the post, and I almost never have any preaching in mind. I never have enough info on people here to understand what their beliefs mean to their happiness and sanity to assume that they need to change theirs. Yup. Even though Michael and Nabby and Judy keep claiming that I'm an anti-TMer, or that I am trying to change other people's minds about things, it just isn't true. I'm trying to change my *own* mind, challenge my own ideas and see which ones stand the test of time, and which don't. That's why my summer reading project is so fasc- inating for me. I'm rereading Philip K. Dick, who if nothing else was one of the most *self-honest* writers in history. He had some weird experiences, and flipped in and out of some weird mindstates. But, unlike lesser writers and lesser thinkers, he never assumed that his present point of view was right or The Truth. He was willing to challenge *anything* that he thought or experienced. He was even willing to entertain the notion that he himself was insane. That's refreshing in a world in which so many think that they are the only sane ones in a world of crazies. Even when I consider some POVs as completely fucking nuts! Indeed. For example, I may think that Lou Valentino is a couple of cans short of a six-pack, in-touch-with- reality-wise, but I love reading his posts. There is an ex-Rama student on another forum who is *completely* 'round the bend IMO, writing Proust-sized volumes of craziness on a daily basis, *without anyone listening to him* because he's been so abusive that they put him on a write only forum, where no one else can reply to him. (They did this for his own good, because when people did reply to him, he got abusive, and started making threats that were literally against the law and dangerous for him.) In my opinion he's completely cooked, mental toast, but I read his stuff anyway from time to time to see what being toast is LIKE. People hold beliefs for so many psychological reasons that the epistemological solidity of a position is often irrelevant to the humanistic relevance. I like that: humanistic relevance. That's sorta the bottom line for me. Does what this person believe benefit anyone on the planet except them? Is it *only* self-serving, or is there something of selflessness in it? That comes off as somewhat condescending, but I'm sure many view my own beliefs as just as removed from reality. Well I don't. I think you're pretty sane. Except for the boozing and having sex with women and enjoying music stuff, of course. That's just nuts. :-) So the playing field is even, we all circle each other with our better perspective. Or even our different perspective. THAT is the thing that makes some posters here much easier (and more pleasurable) to read than others. They throw out a different point of view on a subject, without declaring that it's better. And, in general, people react well to that. On the other hand, some seemingly *have* to present their point of view as better, and people *don't* react so well to that, for what should be obvious reasons. (Obvious, that is, to everyone but them.) That works for me. For me, too. I can feel as right as I want as long as I take into account that this is the same perspective everyone else has. It connects me to people who I totally disagree with. We are both humans enjoying being right. Or, in my case or PKD's case, just humans enjoying playing with ideas, with no earthly idea whether they are right or not. While unable to understand how full of shit we are in our blind spots! Ain't it grand! Yup. One of the things I like most about your posts, and your perspective, Curtis, is that you are often searching FOR your blind spots. You *like* becoming aware of them, noticing them, and dealing with them. Others are so terrified of their own blind spots that they claim -- over and over and over and over -- that they don't *have* any
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- On Tue, 7/1/08, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is no joke to even get close to interacting with that level of a person's identity. Yes it is. You really have to be trained well and very clear in your own psyche. I've seen some deprogrammers do some serious damage to people by tearing down belief structures simply because they had a need to make others think like themselves. Gotta agree with Dr. Pete on this one. While I admit that some in the counseling profession have good intentions and benign motives, this was not always the case. Because the Rama guy was so publicly contro- versial, some parents of students involved with him got freaked out and hired deprogrammers to get their sons and daughters back. The problem was that these deprogrammers were NOT trained in any kind of counseling or psychological techniques, and were in it for the money. (They charged the parents $50,000 to kidnap their kids and deprogram them.) As it turns out (I testified in a court case in which we put a couple of them behind bars) more than a few of them were ex-cons who had gotten into the deprog- ramming business because it WAS a business, and a low- risk business at that. What they did (kidnapping) was illegal, but in the anti-cult mindset of the times, the likelihood of them doing hard time was low. (The two guys we prosecuted got six months each, for kidnapping a young girl and holding her hostage for two weeks.) Hopefully those anti-cult hysteria days are now behind us, and more of the exit counselors these days are in fact well-intentioned and better trained. But it wasn't always the case. Many of them were motivated by money, and many of the ones who weren't were motivated just as Pete says below, by a need to impose their POV on others, to somehow validate it. Not saying you did this, Curtis, but I saw some former MIU guys do this sort of thing to some vulnerable people. It was all ego on the MIU guys' part. This is one of the reasons I try so hard NOT to try to change people's beliefs on this forum. I don't KNOW The Truth, and have seen far too many people who claimed to, and who did damage to others trying to make *them* know as well. To me, whether the person trying to impose his POV on someone else is part of a cult or trying to get someone out of a cult doesn't really matter -- the bottom line is that they are trying to impose their POV on someone else.
[FairfieldLife] Re: And Now... Competitive Restful Alertness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: This is cool! - a ball game based on brain waves where the most relaxed opponent (=alpha/theta waves measurement) gets to triumph. A sort of tug of war between relaxees. http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/06/30/mindball_videogame/ TM is actually cheaper. And has the decided advantage of never actually testing whether the benefits are real or not. :-) My first reactions to seeing this game was to think 1) TMers would probably not do well at it, because they don't have the experience in mind- fulness that allows them to choose a state of attention and stick with it for a while (long enough to win the game), and 2) that most of them would never play the game in the first place, for fear of doing badly at it, and thus revealing that their impressions of how evolved they are are bullshit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: The fundamental interactions of the Unified Field ARE consciousness according to John. Not some human-like, version, but just interactions on the level of the unified field itself. The point is that in Vedic Cosmology, consciousness interacts with itself because that is all there is for it to interact with. Likewise, with unified field theories. Not some human like version. This is the key here, do you think MMY meant something else when he said that when we transcend we experience the unified field of physics? He meant that the world is entirely subjective and that we can access the ground state with our minds. Didn't he? I don't see how it could imply anything else. And we even act from the UF, as JH claims in his physics of YF video. I thought the whole idea was crap from day one. My first though when I heard the lecture was So how do I get past the strong nuclear force without exploding? I think the explanation of refining our minds back to actually experience the UF demonstrates that the vedic viewpoint is analogous to the *some* currently unpopular ideas of how the universe works. For human consciousness to be different from the UF type is to call the vedic UF different from the physicists one, and seems to suggest that we can't be experiencing the UF when meditating so JH must be contradicting MMY! He seems to want to have it both ways, for the human mind to be able to operate and cause levitation it must be the vedic UF and not Einsteins. If JH is calling the vacuum state of the universe conciousnes isn't this just another way of trying to fit current ideas into vedic cosmology where they may not belong? Seems to have a few inconsistencies.
[FairfieldLife] From where do great people get inspired? Here it is, in their own words…
Moderators don’t you want to see your friends successful in life, don’t you like to inspire them, if yes then please pass this on so that they can know what was the source of inspiration of great people When doubts haunt me, when disappointments stare me in the face, and I see not one ray of hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad-Gita and find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those who meditate on the Gita will derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day. - Mahatma Gandhi The Bhagavad-Gita calls on humanity to dedicate body, mind and soul to pure duty and not to become mental voluptuaries at the mercy of random desires and undisciplined impulses. - Mahatma Gandhi When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous. - Albert Einstein We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another. - Robert Oppenheimer The Bhagavad-Gita has a profound influence on the spirit of mankind by its devotion to God which is manifested by actions. - Dr. Albert Schweitzer The Bhagavad-Gita is the most systematic statement of spiritual evolution of endowing value to mankind. It is one of the most clear and comprehensive summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed; hence its enduring value is subject not only to India but to all of humanity. - Aldous Huxley The Bhagavad-Gita is a true scripture of the human race a living creation rather than a book, with a new message for every age and a new meaning for every civilization. - Sri Aurobindo In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the Bhagavad-Gita, in comparison with which our modern world and its literature seems puny and trivial. - Henry David Thoreau The marvel of the Bhagavad-Gita is its truly beautiful revelation of lifes wisdom which enables philosophy to blossom into religion. - Herman Hesse The Bhagavad-Gita deals essentially with the spiritual foundation of human existence. It is a call of action to meet the obligations and duties of life; yet keeping in view the spiritual nature and grander purpose of the universe. - Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad-Gita. It was the first of books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy, but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same questions which exercise us. - Ralph Waldo Emerson The Bhagavad-Gita is an empire of thought and in its philosophical teachings Krishna has all the attributes of the full-fledged montheistic deity and at the same time the attributes of the Upanisadic absolute. - Ralph Waldo Emerson In order to approach a creation as sublime as the Bhagavad-Gita with full understanding it is necessary to attune our soul to it. - Rudolph Steiner The Bhagavad-Gita is not seperate from the Vaisnava philosophy and the Srimad Bhagavatam fully reveals the true import of this doctrine which is transmigation of the soul. On perusal of the first chapter of Bhagavad-Gita one may think that they are advised to engage in warfare. When the second chapter has been read it can be clearly understood that knowledge and the soul is the ultimate goal to be attained. On studying the third chapter it is apparent that acts of righteousness are also of high priority. If we continue and patiently take the time to complete the Bhagavad-Gita and try to ascertain the truth of its closing chapter we can see that the ultimate conclusion is to relinquish all the conceptualized ideas of religion
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- On Wed, 7/2/08, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony Abu-Nader spends most of his time meditating on the Pursha team, I believe. Bevan and Hagelin both are doing what their guru told them was the right thing for them to do. A guru never tells you what to do. That would serve no purpose whatsoever. A guru facilitates your liberation.
[FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- On Wed, 7/2/08, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony Abu-Nader spends most of his time meditating on the Pursha team, I believe. Bevan and Hagelin both are doing what their guru told them was the right thing for them to do. A guru never tells you what to do. That would serve no purpose whatsoever. A guru facilitates your liberation. I completely agree. And, interestingly, so did Maharishi. Once upon a time. The first time I ever saw him, at the Greek Theater in L.A. in 1967, someone in the audience asked Maharishi what he should do about a problem. Maharishi's answer (paraphrased, of course, but later repeated on both of the Squaw Valley courses I attended with him) was, I never tell a student what to do or how to handle a particular situation in his life. To do that would make him *weaker*, not stronger, because the *next* time some problem came up, he would be expecting me to tell him what to do again. The point is to help him become strong so he can make his *own* decisions. Good answer. He should have stuck with it. Compare this answer -- and this philosophy of teaching -- with what Maharishi *turned into*, dictating every aspect of his students' behavior -- on courses and off. And, in my opinion, he was correct back in 1067. It just made them weaker, and unable to make their own decisions.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dana Sawyer
On Jul 1, 2008, at 10:04 PM, william108wm wrote: What is the name of the other forum mentioned here that Dana Sawyer posted to??? Anyone know?? It was a private group Rick has.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dana Sawyer
On Jul 1, 2008, at 11:10 PM, Peter wrote: Rick would know. I can't remember and don't know if its still active. Its been a few years. Spiritual Chat. Still there, but very little activity.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
On Jul 2, 2008, at 12:12 AM, sparaig wrote: That's why it might be a good idea for you to review the Univ. of Alberta a study on meditation research and the recent medical reviews on TM research which shows it's really just bad science. After decades of attempting research, they're still putting out pilot studies and exaggerating insignificant findings and ignoring obvious bias issues. Then you wouldn't make the mistake of assuming TM research--even that which happens to find it's way accidentally into a journal--is really science worth listening to. That's the nice thing about science, we can use legitimate science to weed out the pseudo-scientific, then we know what to avoid. Of course, what Vaj conveniently forgets is that the same reviewer found that the studies on mindfulness meditatioo studies were equally as bad as the TM studies. No, I've mentioned this before. This is true for earlier, pilot studies for the most part. However Mindfulness research is growing at an exponential rate according to Jon Kabat-Zinn. They've now moved beyond pilot studies and are producing good to excellent second and third generation studies, along with the occasional new pilot study-- so much so that Mindfulness for depression is now covered by some insurers in the UK and it's now also being used in US schools successfully for ADHD. There's a new tack in Mindfulness that is even looking at the bane of child psychiatric diagnoses, Reactive Attachment Disorder. I strongly suspect we'll see meditational techniques which focus on neuroplastic re-wiring of the nine circuits of the prefrontal cortex if research continues. But so far it's going remarkably well--it's now quite common to find Mindfulness taught in many (if not most) major hospitals. Since the science is good and it works, hospitals (and insurers) are glad to back it. One thing to keep in mind is that this particular research specializes in debunking. In fact, virtually every study he's ever published has been designed to debunk as in, evaluate new age claims and he always, always finds them wanting.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
On Jul 2, 2008, at 12:22 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:42 AM, off_world_beings wrote: That study can't found. How convenient Vaj. You should try looking. It's been mentioned and linked to here several times: Link Here's a synopsis: http://www.expressnews.ualberta.ca/article.cfm?id=8572 Ah, OK my bad. I was thinking of a different study, BUT, did you note that the study says that ALL meditative practices (with the possible exception of Tai Chi) have no verifiable positive effect on health? That also includes buddhist meditation. Careful what you cite, Vaj. Some of Buddhist meditation, actually the ones that were poor were primarily early pilot studies. Many have since moved on to further, more definitive research which was able to verify various claims. Thus we now see Mindfulness as a staple in American hospitals and getting reimbursement in the UK. These are great signs as to the current level of the science and the efficacy of these techniques.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer
What is the name of the other forum mentioned here that Dana Sawyer posted to??? Anyone know?? It was a private group Rick has. Yes, very exclusive you know. Must be an academic, or other high placeed personage. Just joking. I know nothing about it. But, my impression of Dana was, the more exclusive the better. He may be the most informed source on his subject matter as far as I know, but I am sure he enjoys being viewed as an authority on the matter.
[FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- On Wed, 7/2/08, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Tony Abu-Nader spends most of his time meditating on the Pursha team, I believe. Bevan and Hagelin both are doing what their guru told them was the right thing for them to do. A guru never tells you what to do. That would serve no purpose whatsoever. A guru facilitates your liberation. I completely agree. And, interestingly, so did Maharishi. Once upon a time. The first time I ever saw him, at the Greek Theater in L.A. in 1967, someone in the audience asked Maharishi what he should do about a problem. Maharishi's answer (paraphrased, of course, but later repeated on both of the Squaw Valley courses I attended with him) Two Squaw Valley Courses with MMY? August of 1968. When was the second? The next SV course AFIR was summer 1969 with Sattynad, not MMY. Summer 1970 the big Humbolt courses started. And August of 67, MMY was busy with the Beatles. as, I never tell a student what to do or how to handle a particular situation in his life. To do that would make him *weaker*, not stronger, because the *next* time some problem came up, he would be expecting me to tell him what to do again. The point is to help him become strong so he can make his *own* decisions. Good answer. He should have stuck with it. Compare this answer -- and this philosophy of teaching -- with what Maharishi *turned into*, dictating every aspect of his students' behavior -- on courses and off. And, in my opinion, he was correct back in 1067. It just made them weaker, and unable to make their own decisions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 1, 2008, at 11:10 PM, Peter wrote: Rick would know. I can't remember and don't know if its still active. Its been a few years. Spiritual Chat. Still there, but very little activity. Retreated into deep silence ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: The fundamental interactions of the Unified Field ARE consciousness according to John. Not some human-like, version, but just interactions on the level of the unified field itself. The point is that in Vedic Cosmology, consciousness interacts with itself because that is all there is for it to interact with. Likewise, with unified field theories. Not some human like version. This is the key here, do you think MMY meant something else when he said that when we transcend we experience the unified field of physics? He meant that the world is entirely subjective and that we can access the ground state with our minds. Didn't he? I don't see how it could imply anything else. And we even act from the UF, as JH claims in his physics of YF video. I thought the whole idea was crap from day one. My first though when I heard the lecture was So how do I get past the strong nuclear force without exploding? Tip toe through it. Just like that filed of sleeping elephants. I think the explanation of refining our minds back to actually experience the UF demonstrates that the vedic viewpoint is analogous to the *some* currently unpopular ideas of how the universe works. For human consciousness to be different from the UF type is to call the vedic UF different from the physicists one, and seems to suggest that we can't be experiencing the UF when meditating so JH must be contradicting MMY! He seems to want to have it both ways, for the human mind to be able to operate and cause levitation it must be the vedic UF and not Einsteins. If JH is calling the vacuum state of the universe conciousnes isn't this just another way of trying to fit current ideas into vedic cosmology where they may not belong? Seems to have a few inconsistencies. J is a true vacuum state salesman.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer
On Jul 2, 2008, at 9:00 AM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 1, 2008, at 11:10 PM, Peter wrote: Rick would know. I can't remember and don't know if its still active. Its been a few years. Spiritual Chat. Still there, but very little activity. Retreated into deep silence ? Like a marmot into it's hole as a Tibetan yogi once said.
[FairfieldLife] No Exptectation About Outcomes -- What CAN be, over What SHOULD Be
I heard an interview recently of George Carlin. He said when he started hi observational humor, it would bum him out because the revealed truth was often so depressing. He said he by letting go of how things should be, and just acknowledging / observing outcomes, he was able to go deeper into his humor, and yet not be unglued by the resulting insights. His approach seemed distinct from either burying his head in the sand, or panglossian best of all possible worlds sugar-coated optimism. It occurred to me that to be upset about outcomes, individual or global, is like being upset that the apple smashed into pieces when it fell to earth. Or upset if the proton did or did not decay. There is a reaction to any action. The reaction may be hard to understand, or way too complex to predict, but all outcomes are natural and plausible result of one or multiple reactions that preceded it. Nothing comes from nothing. Drop an apple form high enough, it smashes into pieces. What did you expect? Similar to any outcome -- what did you expect? I looked at the headlines. More US deaths in Afganistan since the war began. Sad? A lost opportunity in Afganistan? But GWB was president with a miscast set of ideologues in key poistions in the administration. What did you expect? The US, as well as many / most countries, have less than stellar education and many people grow up without critical thinking skills, subject to massive cognitive errors and logical fallacies. 50% think Saddam blew up the towers. And then GWB got elected? What did you expect? We underpay teachers, many (not all) of the best and brightest go into other professions, schools have primarily become training centers to take standardized tests, kids read far less than even the low reading patterns of past generations. An then, the population, as a whole, does not have sharp critical thinking skills -- what did you expect? This chain of what did you expect? can be taken back forever -- or towards first causes 9if such exists). I have found that exercise of chaining back what did you expect helps make one accepting of the obvious: things ARE the way they are And that things got this way by one thing leading to another -- actions creating reactions and all the complex intermingling. What did you expect? This is NOT a clarion call for passivity. Or deep non-attachment to hte more ugly sides of life. That is NOT to say we can't change things. And that is NOT to say by creating change we are envisioning and trying to impose our vision of what SHOULD be. Its more neti neti. Not this, not that. This is the way to educate an entire generation? Neti Neti. I may not know, or have a vision of what should be, and I can accept things got this way in a natural way -- action and reaction -- but I do have a sense we can do better. Not this educational system, lets try a new action and see the resulting reactions: double teacher pay, double the number of teachers, motivate and incentivize mentoring at all levels. Thats not to say things SHOULD be like that, but that things CAN be like that. Or CAN be improved. Where things end up by taking the above three initiatives -- hard to predict -- other than it probably will be an improvement over what has come to pass thus far. And hopefully, after such efforts, another GWB will not come to pass. And a bungled foreign domestic and energy policy will not come to pass.
[FairfieldLife] What Did you Expect? What CAN BE over What SHOULD be
I heard an interview recently of George Carlin. He said when he started his observational humor, it would bum him out because the revealed truth was often so depressing. He said he by letting go of how things should be, and just acknowledging / observing outcomes, he was able to go deeper into his humor, and yet not be unglued by the resulting insights. His approach seemed distinct from either burying his head in the sand, or panglossian best of all possible worlds sugar-coated optimism. It occurred to me that to be upset about outcomes, individual or global, is like being upset that the apple smashed into pieces when it fell to earth. Or upset if the proton did or did not decay. There is a reaction to any action. The reaction may be hard to understand, or way too complex to predict, but all outcomes are natural and plausible result of one or multiple reactions that preceded it. Nothing comes from nothing. Drop an apple form high enough, it smashes into pieces. What did you expect? Similar to any outcome -- what did you expect? I looked at the headlines. More US deaths in Afghanistan since the war began. Sad? A lost opportunity in Afghanistan? But GWB was president with a miscast set of ideologues in key positions in the administration. What did you expect? The US, as well as many / most countries, have less than stellar education and many people grow up without critical thinking skills, subject to massive cognitive errors and logical fallacies. 50% think Saddam blew up the towers. And then GWB got elected? What did you expect? We underpay teachers, many (not all) of the best and brightest go into other professions, schools have primarily become training centers to take standardized tests, kids read far less than even the low reading patterns of past generations. An then, the population, as a whole, does not have sharp critical thinking skills -- what did you expect? This chain of what did you expect? can be taken back forever -- or towards first causes 9if such exists). I have found that exercise of chaining back what did you expect helps make one accepting of the obvious: things ARE the way they are And that things got this way by one thing leading to another -- actions creating reactions and all the complex intermingling. What did you expect? This is NOT a clarion call for passivity. Or deep non-attachment to hte more ugly sides of life. That is NOT to say we can't change things. And that is NOT to say by creating change we are envisioning and trying to impose our vision of what SHOULD be. Its more neti neti. Not this, not that. This is the way to educate an entire generation? Neti Neti. I may not know, or have a vision of what should be, and I can accept things got this way in a natural way -- action and reaction -- but I do have a sense we can do better. Not this educational system, lets try a new action and see the resulting reactions: double teacher pay, double the number of teachers, motivate and incentivize mentoring at all levels. Thats not to say things SHOULD be like that, but that things CAN be like that. Or CAN be improved. Where things end up by taking the above three initiatives -- hard to predict -- other than it probably will be an improvement over what has come to pass thus far. And hopefully, after such efforts, another GWB will not come to pass. And a bungled foreign domestic and energy policy will not come to pass.
[FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- On Wed, 7/2/08, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Tony Abu-Nader spends most of his time meditating on the Pursha team, I believe. Bevan and Hagelin both are doing what their guru told them was the right thing for them to do. A guru never tells you what to do. That would serve no purpose whatsoever. A guru facilitates your liberation. I completely agree. And, interestingly, so did Maharishi. Once upon a time. The first time I ever saw him, at the Greek Theater in L.A. in 1967, someone in the audience asked Maharishi what he should do about a problem. Maharishi's answer (paraphrased, of course, but later repeated on both of the Squaw Valley courses I attended with him) was, I never tell a student what to do or how to handle a particular situation in his life. To do that would make him *weaker*, not stronger, because the *next* time some problem came up, he would be expecting me to tell him what to do again. The point is to help him become strong so he can make his *own* decisions. Good answer. He should have stuck with it. Compare this answer -- and this philosophy of teaching -- with what Maharishi *turned into*, dictating every aspect of his students' behavior -- on courses and off. And, in my opinion, he was correct back in 1067. It just made them weaker, and unable to make their own decisions. And shall we count the ways in which, in later years, he told TMers what to do? It's almost like being a Hasidic Jew, who have dictums for practically every second of the day: Who to vote for (NLP); What kind of house to buy and live in (Shtapatya Veda); What kind of food to eat (Maharishi agriculture, Honey, etc.) What kind of health care to have (Maharishi Ayurveda) What political and philosophical opinions to hold (weekly pronouncements on current affairs, etc.) Which religious practises to adopt to better your life (Yagyas and all that) How to dress (well, what's to explain all those pastel-colored suits all the men began to wear about 15 years ago) The above is not an exhaustive list and I'm sure I'm leaving some out. The only rational explanation I can come up with for why Maharishi took a 180 degree turn on instructions for the outward stroke of life (ie, living in the relative) is that he had so many sycophants around him all the time insisting that he play guru to them that after repeating the correct instructions (as Barry reproduced, above) to them for 25 years about how to live in the relative, he just threw his hands up, declared that they wore him down, and gave them what they wanted. Who knows? Whatever the reason, one thing is for sure: it's not the TM Program. Anyone indulging in all this other stuff may be doing the TM Technique but they aren't doing the TM Program. They're doing Hasidic TM or Guru TM or Cult TM...call it what you will, it ain't the TM Program...and that goes for 90% of the TBers living in Fairfield and Holland.
[FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who to vote for (NLP); What kind of house to buy and live in (Shtapatya Veda); What kind of food to eat (Maharishi agriculture, Honey, etc.) What kind of health care to have (Maharishi Ayurveda) What political and philosophical opinions to hold (weekly pronouncements on current affairs, etc.) Which religious practises to adopt to better your life (Yagyas and all that) How to dress (well, what's to explain all those pastel-colored suits all the men began to wear about 15 years ago) ... They're doing Hasidic TM or Guru TM or Cult TM...call it what you will, it ain't the TM Program...and that goes for 90% of the TBers living in Fairfield and Holland. The US has been infiltrated -- more like has cultivated, a Christian taliban. And the TMO, as other groups, has cultivated, in some segments of its sects, a Hindu Taliban.
[FairfieldLife] Spiritually HOT; Fairfield on FIRE!!!
FW: Dear Fairfield friends, Yesterday I attended the Homa (fire ceremony) with Karunamayi here in Chicago. It was really and truly one of the most powerful experiences I've ever had. It was just like being in India in the presence of the Divine Mother - but more comfortable!! This year Mother's swami is doing homas not only to Saraswati, Lakshmi, Shiva, and Ganesh but he is also doing one to vitiate the effects of the the planet Jupiter and one for world peace and mother earth. If you've been to Mother's homas before you know how powerful they are and how much they shift your life but this year's seemed to me to be extra spectacular. You do participate individually in that you put your desires (sanculpa) into the fire at the beginning and then Swami guides you in specific chants throughout the homa to enliven Lakshmi, etc. in your own life. Of course there is no charge unless you choose to be a sponsor for $108 in which case you receive a gold plated mandala for your home and a beautiful garnet mala. All sponsorship money goes to Amma's project of building houses for the poor in rural Andhra Pradesh who were forced from their homes and not given any place to relocate when the government built a new dam. I'm attaching a list of Karunamayi's programs, all of which are wonderful but even if you can't come to any others, don't miss the fire - and of course individual blessings. I know the fire is on the same day as Ammachi's Devi Bhava celebration but the fire is in the morning and Devi Bhava is at night...What day that will be!!! love you all, debra Fire info: http://www.karunamayi.org/tour/Tour-Homa-Description.html Entire Fairfield schedule: http://www.karunamayi.org/tour/2008Fairfield.shtml
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
On Jul 2, 2008, at 9:07 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: How to dress Basically, anything that made the women look like uptight frumps, and the men like uptight nerds. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Spiritually HOT; Fairfield on FIRE!!!
On Jul 2, 2008, at 9:22 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Dear Fairfield friends, Yesterday I attended the Homa (fire ceremony) with Karunamayi here in Chicago. It was really and truly one of the most powerful experiences I've ever had. It was just like being in India in the presence of the Divine Mother - but more comfortable!! This year Mother's swami is doing homas not only to Saraswati, Lakshmi, Shiva, and Ganesh but he is also doing one to vitiate the effects of the the planet Jupiter and one for world peace and mother earth. If you've been to Mother's homas before you know how powerful they are and how much they shift your life but this year's seemed to me to be extra spectacular. You do participate individually in that you put your desires (sanculpa) into the fire at the beginning and then Swami guides you in specific chants throughout the homa to enliven Lakshmi, etc. in your own life. Of course there is no charge unless you choose to be a sponsor for $108 in which case you receive a gold plated mandala for your home and a beautiful garnet mala. All sponsorship money goes to Amma's project of building houses for the poor in rural Andhra Pradesh who were forced from their homes and not given any place to relocate when the government built a new dam. I'm attaching a list of Karunamayi's programs, all of which are wonderful but even if you can't come to any others, don't miss the fire - and of course individual blessings. I know the fire is on the same day as Ammachi's Devi Bhava celebration but the fire is in the morning and Devi Bhava is at night...What day that will be!!! And the English translation will follow in the next post... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only rational explanation I can come up with for why Maharishi took a 180 degree turn on instructions for the outward stroke of life (ie, living in the relative) is that he had so many sycophants around him all the time insisting that he play guru to them that after repeating the correct instructions (as Barry reproduced, above) to them for 25 years about how to live in the relative, he just threw his hands up, declared that they wore him down, and gave them what they wanted. I must admit - that's crossed my mind too. Perhaps you get the Guru you deserve? Or create? I dunno. It sure as hell puzzles me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:07 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: The only rational explanation I can come up with for why Maharishi took a 180 degree turn on instructions for the outward stroke of life (ie, living in the relative) is that he had so many sycophants around him all the time insisting that he play guru to them that after repeating the correct instructions (as Barry reproduced, above) to them for 25 years about how to live in the relative, he just threw his hands up, declared that they wore him down, and gave them what they wanted. The Occam's razor answer to your question would be that he was in it for the money and a avaricious businessman disguised as a yogi. Pretty simple really.
[FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:07 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: The only rational explanation I can come up with for why Maharishi took a 180 degree turn on instructions for the outward stroke of life (ie, living in the relative) is that he had so many sycophants around him all the time insisting that he play guru to them that after repeating the correct instructions (as Barry reproduced, above) to them for 25 years about how to live in the relative, he just threw his hands up, declared that they wore him down, and gave them what they wanted. The Occam's razor answer to your question would be that he was in it for the money and a avaricious businessman disguised as a yogi. Pretty simple really. Since when did Occam's razor == glib?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
Yes it is. You really have to be trained well and very clear in your own psyche. I've seen some deprogrammers do some serious damage to people by tearing down belief structures simply because they had a need to make others think like themselves. Gotta agree with Dr. Pete on this one. While I admit that some in the counseling profession have good intentions and benign motives, this was not always the case. Because the Rama guy was so publicly contro- versial, some parents of students involved with him got freaked out and hired deprogrammers to get their sons and daughters back. The problem was that these deprogrammers were NOT trained in any kind of counseling or psychological techniques, and were in it for the money. (They charged the parents $50,000 to kidnap their kids and deprogram them.) As it turns out (I testified in a court case in which we put a couple of them behind bars) more than a few of them were ex-cons who had gotten into the deprog- ramming business because it WAS a business, and a low- risk business at that. What they did (kidnapping) was illegal, but in the anti-cult mindset of the times, the likelihood of them doing hard time was low. (The two guys we prosecuted got six months each, for kidnapping a young girl and holding her hostage for two weeks.) That matches my understanding of the forceful deprogrammers committing crimes like kidnapping. They were also using some very creepy brainwashing style techniques. Bu the time I had gotten involved there was a strong reaction against these practices. All my sessions were voluntary and the person could walk out at any moment. But like a drug intervention, the family made it clear that financial support would be cut off if they would not at least listen to another POV. Hopefully those anti-cult hysteria days are now behind us, and more of the exit counselors these days are in fact well-intentioned and better trained. But it wasn't always the case. Many of them were motivated by money, and many of the ones who weren't were motivated just as Pete says below, by a need to impose their POV on others, to somehow validate it. I only worked with a small number of them so I can't speak for the whole group. But the ones I worked with were sincere in their desire to restore choice to a person whose belief system had become rigid. It was content free and did not involve instilling a POV. Most people have plenty of their own once they have the choice. It is similar to the dysfunctional family model where a persons role in the family and self-identity becomes so rigid that they can't function in another role, say as NOT the family fuck-up who needs constant rescuing. The cases I was on didn't involve people whose lives were working fine but with a belief system the parent's didn't agree with. We were on cases of people living more like drug addicts whose lives were only sustainable by soaking their parents long into their adulthood. It became a manipulative cycle of dependence. To see a person come to the realization that they have choices for their identity and life was beautiful. But this does not apply to the majority of happy believers whose lives work fine under their own terms and self support skills. Those aren't the kind of people who exit counselors work with even if the family wants to throw money on them to change their kid back to the one they could control. There is a long process that exit counselors go though with the parents before they will take on a case. They turn down many more than they take. Not saying you did this, Curtis, but I saw some former MIU guys do this sort of thing to some vulnerable people. It was all ego on the MIU guys' part. This is one of the reasons I try so hard NOT to try to change people's beliefs on this forum. I don't KNOW The Truth, and have seen far too many people who claimed to, and who did damage to others trying to make *them* know as well. To me, whether the person trying to impose his POV on someone else is part of a cult or trying to get someone out of a cult doesn't really matter -- the bottom line is that they are trying to impose their POV on someone else.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gotta agree with Dr. Pete on this one. While I admit that some in the counseling profession have good intentions and benign motives, this was not always the case. Because the Rama guy was so publicly contro- versial, some parents of students involved with him got freaked out and hired deprogrammers to get their sons and daughters back. The problem was that these deprogrammers were NOT trained in any kind of counseling or psychological techniques, and were in it for the money. (They charged the parents $50,000 to kidnap their kids and deprogram them.) As it turns out (I testified in a court case in which we put a couple of them behind bars) more than a few of them were ex-cons who had gotten into the deprog- ramming business because it WAS a business, and a low- risk business at that. What they did (kidnapping) was illegal, but in the anti-cult mindset of the times, the likelihood of them doing hard time was low. (The two guys we prosecuted got six months each, for kidnapping a young girl and holding her hostage for two weeks.) That matches my understanding of the forceful deprogrammers committing crimes like kidnapping. They were also using some very creepy brainwashing style techniques. Like forcing their abductees to watch videos from Jonestown 24/7, depriving them of sleep and food, etc. It was pretty icky. And my friend was one of the lucky ones; a Scientologist kid- napped by these same guys claimed to have been raped repeatedly by one of them. You might think, Oh...that's just Scientology bullshit, but the guy in question *was* an ex-con, and what he had done time for was multiple counts of rape. Some credentials for an exit counselor, eh? Bu the time I had gotten involved there was a strong reaction against these practices. All my sessions were voluntary and the person could walk out at any moment. But like a drug intervention, the family made it clear that financial support would be cut off if they would not at least listen to another POV. Just to let you know, that wasn't the case with the Rama students abducted. In the case of the woman I saw grabbed and thrown into a van (and later testified to in court), she *was* involved with the Rama guy, and yeah, one could make a case that it was a cult, but at the same time she was a successful computer consultant on Wall St., making more money than her parents. She was also 30 and well beyond being a minor, and they had her kidnapped anyway. She held out for two weeks, pretending to go along with the deprogramming until the ex-cons who had kidnapped her dropped their guard, and then she made a successful break for it. She was back with the police before they realized she was gone. And these assholes *still* only got six months each. The saddest part in a way is that she has not spoken with her family since. In their over- protective zeal to get her back, they wound up pushing her away forever. She has vowed to not even attend their funerals because of some of the things that were done to her, things that her own parents commissioned and paid for. I understand that it wasn't always like this, and that some of the exit counselors were indeed prin- cipled. I'm just bringing it up to let you know that not all of them were. There was MONEY to be made in the forcible deprogramming business back then, and that attracted the same scum that any illegal activity does that has very little down side if you get caught.
[FairfieldLife] 'Be In The World/But Not of It' (seriously?)
Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 12:19 PM So, why would one want to retreat to a cave, and give up everything of the 'World'... Why would one want to give up all of the worldly pleasures, Especially, sex, food, wine, and so on... Why would one wish to give up on material weath, The power of green, gold, beautiful bathrooms, french furniture... The Houses, real estate, political discussion, Buying and selling, movies, CD's + I-Pods Why would one seek to go deep within, and forget all about the world. Marriage, Children, Grandmother's and Grandfather's, Sisters, Brothers, friends, and so on. Why would one intend to take a path such such as this? Especially when living in Rome? Or for that matter, go off to die in a war, of blow themselves up for some 'cause'?
[FairfieldLife] 'Be In The World/But Not of It' (seriously?)
Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 12:19 PM So, why would one want to retreat to a cave, and give up everything of the 'World'... Why would one want to give up all of the worldly pleasures, Especially, sex, food, wine, and so on... Why would one wish to give up on material weath, The power of green, gold, beautiful bathrooms, french furniture... The Houses, real estate, political discussion, Buying and selling, movies, CD's + I-Pods Why would one seek to go deep within, and forget all about the world. Marriage, Children, Grandmother's and Grandfather's, Sisters, Brothers, friends, and so on. Why would one intend to take a path such such as this? Especially when living in Rome? Or for that matter, go off to die in a war, of blow themselves up for some 'cause'?
[FairfieldLife] more Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda Swamiji on youtube
Jaya Guru Datta I have uploaded three more videos of Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda Swamiji to youtube.com A 5 minute excerpt from a discourse of Sri Swamiji's from Trinidad/2006. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-126lviZtUfmt=18 Also two music videos from Bhakti Dhara DVD that I have subtitled. Tere Ghar Ham http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-AKwUtvfesfmt=18 Krishna Majhi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdcJZ7EjTX4fmt=18 Many times in youtube there is the option to Watch in high quality Click on it. Enjoy! Sri Guru Datta Hanuman
Re: [FairfieldLife] more Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda Swamiji on youtube
On Jul 2, 2008, at 12:31 PM, sriswamijisadhaka wrote: Tere Ghar Ham Is that anything like Honey Roasted Ham? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: more Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda Swamiji on youtube
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2008, at 12:31 PM, sriswamijisadhaka wrote: Tere Ghar Ham Is that anything like Honey Roasted Ham? It's probably just Teri Garr's recipe for it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: more Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda Swamiji on youtube
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jul 2, 2008, at 12:31 PM, sriswamijisadhaka wrote: Tere Ghar Ham Is that anything like Honey Roasted Ham? It's probably just Teri Garr's recipe for it. That may explain the dialog from Young Frankenstein: Inga: You haven't even touched your food. [Frederick explodes and slaps on his food] Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: There. Now I've touched it. Happy? And now that you've got me started, some other great moments: [From inside the haycart] Inga: Hallo. Vould you like a roll in ze hay? [Dr. Frankenstein stutters] Inga: It's fun. [She begins to roll in the hay] Inga: Roll, roll, roll in ze hay. [Frankenstein, Igor and Inga in front of HUGE castle doors] Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: What knockers. Inga: Oh, thank you doctor. Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Well, dear, are you ready? Inga: Yes, Doctor. Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Elevate me. Inga: Now? Right here? Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Yes, yes, raise the platform. Inga: Oh. Ze platform. Oh, zat, yah, yah... yes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
On Jul 2, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Richard M wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:07 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: The only rational explanation I can come up with for why Maharishi took a 180 degree turn on instructions for the outward stroke of life (ie, living in the relative) is that he had so many sycophants around him all the time insisting that he play guru to them that after repeating the correct instructions (as Barry reproduced, above) to them for 25 years about how to live in the relative, he just threw his hands up, declared that they wore him down, and gave them what they wanted. The Occam's razor answer to your question would be that he was in it for the money and a avaricious businessman disguised as a yogi. Pretty simple really. Since when did Occam's razor == glib? It didn't, it just may be too blatantly honest for TB's. Try this TB version then: Since Maharishi had encultured the nervous systems of his students with silence and direct knowledge of the Absolute through TM, seeing the continued suffering of humanity he decided to give the world the gift of 200% of life and thus brought out Pure Knowledge of the relative aspects of life.
[FairfieldLife] Chicago
CHICAGO by Carl Sandburg HOG Butcher for the World, Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat, Player with Railroads and the Nation's Freight Handler; Stormy, husky, brawling, City of the Big Shoulders: They tell me you are wicked and I believe them, for I have seen your painted women under the gas lamps luring the farm boys. And they tell me you are crooked and I answer: Yes, it is true I have seen the gunman kill and go free to kill again. And they tell me you are brutal and my reply is: On the faces of women and children I have seen the marks of wanton hunger. And having answered so I turn once more to those who sneer at this my city, and I give them back the sneer and say to them: Come and show me another city with lifted head singing so proud to be alive and coarse and strong and cunning. Flinging magnetic curses amid the toil of piling job on job, here is a tall bold slugger set vivid against the little soft cities; Fierce as a dog with tongue lapping for action, cunning as a savage pitted against the wilderness, Bareheaded, Shoveling, Wrecking, Planning, Building, breaking, rebuilding, Under the smoke, dust all over his mouth, laughing with white teeth, Under the terrible burden of destiny laughing as a young man laughs, Laughing even as an ignorant fighter laughs who has never lost a battle, Bragging and laughing that under his wrist is the pulse. and under his ribs the heart of the people, Laughing! Laughing the stormy, husky, brawling laughter of Youth, half-naked, sweating, proud to be Hog Butcher, Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat, Player with Railroads and Freight Handler
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony Abu-Nader spends most of his time meditating on the Pursha team, I believe. Bevan and Hagelin both are doing what their guru told them was the right thing for them to do. I don't see much difference, as far as justification for their activities, between Invincible America course participants or the TM leadership. L. One thing to lie to yourself. Another thing to lie to yourself and to a lot of other people. Hagelin was trained as a scientist, presents himself as a scientist, but no longer is a scientist. Nader was (is?) an MD and has had scientific training. He was awared his weight in gold for his discovery that the Veda and Vedic Literature, the structure and function of Natural Law which is the managing intelligence of the universe, is at the basis of the human physiology. This isn't science. They use there credentials to promote their beliefs. Their beliefs probably are sincere, I have no reason not to think so, but I don't respect them at all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--right on...not even following in the footsteps of Guru Dev. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Tony Abu-Nader spends most of his time meditating on the Pursha team, I believe. Bevan and Hagelin both are doing what their guru told them was the right thing for them to do. I don't see much difference, as far as justification for their activities, between Invincible America course participants or the TM leadership. L. One thing to lie to yourself. Another thing to lie to yourself and to a lot of other people. Hagelin was trained as a scientist, presents himself as a scientist, but no longer is a scientist. Nader was (is?) an MD and has had scientific training. He was awared his weight in gold for his discovery that the Veda and Vedic Literature, the structure and function of Natural Law which is the managing intelligence of the universe, is at the basis of the human physiology. This isn't science. They use there credentials to promote their beliefs. Their beliefs probably are sincere, I have no reason not to think so, but I don't respect them at all.
[FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
--Still waiting for the 2nd 100%, and the rest of the first 100% - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Richard M wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:07 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: The only rational explanation I can come up with for why Maharishi took a 180 degree turn on instructions for the outward stroke of life (ie, living in the relative) is that he had so many sycophants around him all the time insisting that he play guru to them that after repeating the correct instructions (as Barry reproduced, above) to them for 25 years about how to live in the relative, he just threw his hands up, declared that they wore him down, and gave them what they wanted. The Occam's razor answer to your question would be that he was in it for the money and a avaricious businessman disguised as a yogi. Pretty simple really. Since when did Occam's razor == glib? It didn't, it just may be too blatantly honest for TB's. Try this TB version then: Since Maharishi had encultured the nervous systems of his students with silence and direct knowledge of the Absolute through TM, seeing the continued suffering of humanity he decided to give the world the gift of 200% of life and thus brought out Pure Knowledge of the relative aspects of life.
[FairfieldLife] Indoor algae farm
I don't know if anyone has posted this link. I thought the video was interesting. http://www.valcent.net/i/misc/Vertigro/index.html Happy 4th.
[FairfieldLife] Laws for Creations
by Walt Whitman: LAWS for Creations, For strong artists and leadersfor fresh broods of teachers, and perfect literats for America, For noble savans, and coming musicians. All must have reference to the ensemble of the world, and the compact truth of the world; There shall be no subject too pronouncedAll works shall illustrate the divine law of indirections. 5 What do you suppose Creation is? What do you suppose will satisfy the Soul, except to walk free, and own no superior? What do you suppose I would intimate to you in a hundred ways, but that man or woman is as good as God? And that there is no God any more divine than Yourself? And that that is what the oldest and newest myths finally mean? 10 And that you or any one must approach Creations through such laws
[FairfieldLife] 'Space Time/Windy Intercourse'
Before too long, everything will change. Real Change to Believe in. Integration of Faith. A feeling of 'Oneness' The return of the 'Eternal Moment' The end of Time as we have experienced it. Space is more mysterious? What is space? Where is it? Are you too spaced to follow this? At the deepest core of Self, Lives a giant, as big as the universe itself. It expands in all directions at once. All things happen there: rain, sun, moon, thunder, electric lightning; High altitude winds, jet stream, gets pulled to earth, to cleanse, and spins in a negative counterclockwise direction. The heat air rises up to the jet stream and the two winds, Hot and cold, rise and fall, creating a kind wind intercourse. Sometimes, with messy results Although the original intention was good...] R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Space Time/Windy Intercourse'
--- A noiseless patient spider, I mark'd where on a little promontory it stood isolated, Mark'd how to explore the vacant vast surrounding, It launch'd forth filament, filament, filament, out of itself, Ever unreeling them, ever tirelessly speeding them. And you O my soul where you stand, Surrounded, detached, in measureless oceans of space, Ceaselessly musing, venturing, throwing, seeking the spheres to connect them, Till the bridge you will need be form'd, till the ductile anchor hold, Till the gossamer thread you fling catch somewhere, O my soul. --Walt Whitman In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before too long, everything will change. Real Change to Believe in. Integration of Faith. A feeling of 'Oneness' The return of the 'Eternal Moment' The end of Time as we have experienced it. Space is more mysterious? What is space? Where is it? Are you too spaced to follow this? At the deepest core of Self, Lives a giant, as big as the universe itself. It expands in all directions at once. All things happen there: rain, sun, moon, thunder, electric lightning; High altitude winds, jet stream, gets pulled to earth, to cleanse, and spins in a negative counterclockwise direction. The heat air rises up to the jet stream and the two winds, Hot and cold, rise and fall, creating a kind wind intercourse. Sometimes, with messy results Although the original intention was good...] R.G.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
On Jul 2, 2008, at 3:20 PM, tertonzeno wrote: --Still waiting for the 2nd 100%, and the rest of the first 100% Clear your credit card balance dude, it's coming.
[FairfieldLife] 1K pundits in VC by end of July
33 new Maharishi Sthapatya Veda houses arriving at Vedic Pandit campus in Maharishi Vedic City, USA by Global Good News staff writer Global Financial Capital of New York 2 July 2008 Presenting slides of the production and delivery of the Maharishi Sthapatya Veda houses for the Vedic Pandit campus in Maharishi Vedic City, Iiowa, USA, Raja Robert Wynne, Mayor of Maharishi Vedic City, and Raja of New Zealand and other countries for the Global Country of World Peace explained how the houses are prepared and transported to the campus. Raja Wynne reported that in order to accomplish the buildings for 650 Vedic Pandits in Maharishi Vedic City by the end of July, companies have been hired to 'produce the houses in assembly lines inside factories where it doesn't rain'. The houses are delivered to the campus via the highway'one house a day will be arriving until the end of July, or until these 33 houses are completed,' he said. It then takes one day to set up one house, which is 76 feet [23 metres] long, and 32 feet [9.5 metres] wide. They are delivered in two halves, 16 feet by 76 feet each. All the bedrooms, carpet, and equipment are already in place; only the carpet that covers the central corridor has to be laid, after the house has been put together. The pipes and utilities are then connected to the ground; and the roof 'topping' put on where the two halves of the roof are joined. These buildings are all built according to Vastu Vidya, Maharishi Sthapatya Veda, and every ingredient that goes into the houses has been vetted by the toxologists of the Global Country of World Peace so that there is nothing harmful to those who live in the buildings. By the end of July, all of the 340 Vedic Pandits currently living on the campus of Maharishi University of Management will have moved into these new houses in Maharishi Vedic City; the 250 still to come from India will also be out there by that time. 'So all the Vedic Pandits will be together,' said Raja Wynne. 'This is very heart-warming, because the Pandits also want to [be] all together; all one thousand dining in the same building and all one thousand [practising Yogic Flying] at the same time morning and evening.' They would like the Mandap buildings for the Vedic Yagyas [special peace-creating performances] to be separate, because different Vedic performances require different numbers of Vedic Pandits: some require 120 Vedic Pandits, others might be 50, and still others 25. 'So we take [the Pandits'] advice, it is their campus,' said Raja Wynne, 'and the campus is becoming really idyllic.' There are cricket and volleyball fields, and the Pandits enjoy walking all around their 80-acre [32-hectare] campus; plans include planting very large trees, which grow rapidly, so there will be forests as well as playing fields; and of course these new homes that are completely aligned with Natural Law. © Copyright 2008 Global Good News®
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Space Time/Windy Intercourse'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before too long, everything will change. Real Change to Believe in. Integration of Faith. A feeling of 'Oneness' The return of the 'Eternal Moment' The end of Time as we have experienced it. Space is more mysterious? What is space? Where is it? Are you too spaced to follow this? At the deepest core of Self, Lives a giant, as big as the universe itself. It expands in all directions at once. All things happen there: rain, sun, moon, thunder, electric lightning; High altitude winds, jet stream, gets pulled to earth, to cleanse, and spins in a negative counterclockwise direction. The heat air rises up to the jet stream and the two winds, Hot and cold, rise and fall, creating a kind wind intercourse. Sometimes, with messy results Although the original intention was good...] R.G. No shit?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip Again, you're missing the point and trying to divert the issue which is that MMY praised a brutal dictator Mugabe, So, answer the question Off: Was MMY correct in praising Mugabe? In keeping with his overall strategy, I think he was consistent in praising Mugabe-- hoping to succeed as he did rarely with national governments to get them to adopt TM within the government (I think this only worked with Costa Rica and...was it Mozambique?). He certainly wouldn't have gotten very far just outright condemning them, so he tried flattery instead. So the end justifies the means. Flattery is something that is such an awful behavior that it needs to be lumped in with wars and so on? Really. I mean really. If flattery leads to the betterment of a country (not claiming that it does), then what of it? Now, selling bombs and so no, that would be another matter. But flattery? What harm if the flattery is misguided? Your need to find fault with the TMO is showing bigtime Lawson No, but your need to defend MMY and the TMO against overwhelming evidence of wrong action sure is. By pointing out that MMY's flattering a dictator in hopes of getting some benefit that he believes might better the entire country doesnt' justify the remark about end justifies the means? Lawson I made the remark the end justifies the means in reference to the theory that MMY only praised brutal dictators in order to accomplish something. So the end, accomplishing something, is justified by the means, praising a brutal dictator. It was wrong to praise a brutal dictator like Mugabe in a press release. It gave MMYs followers the impression that MMY approved of what the dictator was doing. It is also wrong because MMY lied, and did not think that the dictators were praiseworthy, or he actually believed that dictators like Mugabe were praiseworthy, which is reprehensible, or he didn't know the bad things Mugabe did and praised him anyway, which is also reprehensible. This isn't even a tough call. It isn't like TM would put food on peoples' tables, or enlighten the population in the matter of days, weeks, months or years, or do anything else tangible in a reasonable period of time. Alpha wave coherence or a small drop in BP does not justify praising a brutal dictator.
[FairfieldLife] Deepockets off the deep end.
by Jody of Guruphiliac.: Deepockets Off The Deep End File under: Gurubusting and The Siddhi of PR Deepak Chopra, hot off his cameo in the recent flop, The Love Guru, lets us into his wacky world in an extensive interview in Newsweek: In a shopping mall in London, Chopra is explaining the connection between a journalist and his coffee cup. This is you,'' he says, pointing to the cup. You think it's a cup, but it isn't.'' Dressed in workout clothes, with no cell phone or watch, Chopra seems admirably at ease in the mall, so much so that he doesn't even check his placement at the bookstore. It's the conscious energy field that is manifesting as the cup and yourself. The same field.'' On the five-day silent'' retreats he takes every three months, sometimes with his wife, Rita, Chopra says he can actually see this field. Another day, another guru feeding us absolute nonsense about nondual truth. Not that there isn't a shared source of being between a person and a cup, just that it's never been something anyone would be able to see, outside the projection of their own imaginings about it. But that is the New Age way, and Deepockets is the most Indian New Age guru, so it makes perfect sense he'd spew a gaffe like this in Newsweek, despite our disappointment at finding out just how full of it he really is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 1, 2008, at 11:10 PM, Peter wrote: Rick would know. I can't remember and don't know if its still active. Its been a few years. Spiritual Chat. Still there, but very little activity. Retreated into deep silence ? Deep stuffiness more likely.
[FairfieldLife] Re: more Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda Swamiji on youtube
Jaya Guru Deva Datta I'm sorry if you attempted to watch Swamiji's discourse and it wasn't available. Settings have been rectified and it is viewable. This is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-126lviZtUfmt=18 Sri Guru Datta Hanuman
[FairfieldLife] Good News!-Largest Graduating Class in 20 Years more
July 2, 2008http://www.mum.edu/ http://mum.edu/Home http://mum.edu/donations/welcome.shtmlDonations Development Office Maharishi University of Management Fairfield, IA 52557 641-472-1180 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Email Us http://mum.edu/goodnews/welcome.htmlGood News! Archive Largest Graduating Class in 20 Years Howard and Alice Settle Receive Honorary Doctorates Agata Sidorkiewicz, Valedictorian The mood was festive at Commencement 2008, with the largest graduating class in 20 years receiving their degrees: 243 students from 34 countries. There were 188 graduate students and 55 undergrads. The youngest was 20 and the most senior graduate was 88 years old. A highlight of the event was the awarding of honorary Doctorates of World Peace to Howard and Alice Settle, who have committed to donate $1 million per month to fund a permanent peace-creating group for an Invincible America in the Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City community. The Settles are also supporting groups of Vedic Pandits in India. They are also exemplary in their incorporation of Maharishi's technologies in their professional activities and personal lives. Rodney Franz (left) and Asher Fergusson, Co-Salutatorians Dr. Settle is President and Chief Executive Officer of RAAM Global Energy Company and has interests in oil production and exploration in the U.S., the U.K., and Australia. He has constructed two Maharishi Peace Palaces in Kentucky and Texas where his corporate offices are housed. He learned the Transcendental Meditation® program in 1972 and, with Alice, enrolled in the first TM-Sidhi® program course offered at their local center. They studied with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in 2002 in The Netherlands where they participated in two Enlightenment Conferences. Dr. Alice (Mickey) Settle currently works part time at RAAM Global Energy Company and is Vice President and Treasurer of the Howard and Alice Settle Foundation for an Invincible America. She enjoyed a 30-year career as an English teacher and speech team coach and also achieved success as a musician, touring the nation with several bands as a vocalist. Dr. Howard Settle presented an inspiring Commencement address, telling the graduates that they are the most fortunate graduating class in the history of the world. They are fortunate, he said, because they've received the knowledge of the Transcendental Meditation technique, which allows them to manage eternal silence - their own simplest state of awareness - as well as the knowledge of other technologies that help them manage the full range of creation, including the Maharishi Vedic Approach to HealthSM, Maharishi VedicSM architecture, Maharishi JyotishSM, and Maharishi Yagya®. And in addition, they are graduating at a time when they enjoy the worldwide influence of the Invincible America Assembly, allowing them to begin their careers propelled by an extraordinary wave of coherence. He then gave the students some parting advice: be really good at your chosen field, persevere, avoid the two most dangerous words in English I can't and instead ask, How Can I? Also, he said, Think big thoughts and have big dreams. And most important, use all of the programs that Maharishi has offered. He ended by telling the graduates that peace and prosperity for all mankind, invincibility for every nation, and Heaven on Earth are within their grasp. ®Transcendental Meditation, TM-Sidhi, Maharishi Vedic Approach to Health, Maharishi Yagya, Maharishi Jyotish, Maharishi Vedic City, Maharishi Peace Palace, Maharishi Vedic, and Maharishi University of Management are registered or common law trademarks licensed to Maharishi Vedic Education Development Corporation and used under sublicense or with permission.
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On Jul 2, 2008, at 7:03 PM, Dick Mays wrote: Largest Graduating Class in 20 Years Howard and Alice Settle Receive Honorary Doctorates Subtitled: We gave these idiots $20 million, and all we got were these lousy certificates?? Sal
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Good News!-Largest Graduating Class in 20 Years more
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2008, at 7:03 PM, Dick Mays wrote: Largest Graduating Class in 20 Years Howard and Alice Settle Receive Honorary Doctorates Subtitled: We gave these idiots $20 million, and all we got were these lousy certificates?? Sal Irritating how MUM gives honorary doctorates out like candy and then forever refers to the recipient as doctor so and so. That just isn't done in polite company. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good News!-Largest Graduating Class in 20 Years more
I guess just anything will do when you want to take a potshot at the Movement. It must be really irritating for you to have to read that the graduating class is the biggest in 20 years. So you pick on some small thing to feed your irritation and no doubt hope to garner a few supportive posts from your fellow malcontents on this board. You so much want MUM and the Movement to fail, but alas, it's not happening! Must be very painful for you to read about success. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jul 2, 2008, at 7:03 PM, Dick Mays wrote: Largest Graduating Class in 20 Years Howard and Alice Settle Receive Honorary Doctorates Subtitled: We gave these idiots $20 million, and all we got were these lousy certificates?? Sal Irritating how MUM gives honorary doctorates out like candy and then forever refers to the recipient as doctor so and so. That just isn't done in polite company. :)
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On Jul 2, 2008, at 7:25 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: Irritating how MUM gives honorary doctorates out like candy and then forever refers to the recipient as doctor so and so. That just isn't done in polite company. :) It's downright embarrassing, actually. Using phony degrees in order to gain phony titles is like living is an alternate reality. My personal favorite was: Dr. Doug Henning Sal
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On Jul 2, 2008, at 7:32 PM, feste37 wrote: I guess just anything will do when you want to take a potshot at the Movement. You got it, feste. Takes you a while, but eventually you catch on. :) Come on, those phony degrees are pathetic. And using them to gain titles is coasting along the edge of unethical. If any other group were doing that, you'd undoubtedly be laughing your head off. Bob Dylan has something like 20 honorary degrees, when was the last time you heard anyone refer to him as Dr. Bob Dylan? He'd be the first to hoot at that one. It must be really irritating for you to have to read that the graduating class is the biggest in 20 years. Not at all, I know why most of those students are there, and it isn't because of MUM's stellar reputation. So you pick on some small thing to feed your irritation and no doubt hope to garner a few supportive posts from your fellow malcontents on this board. You so much want MUM and the Movement to fail, but alas, it's not happening! Not at all, I don't want FF to be without MUM...where would we get our entertainment from if it went under. Must be very painful for you to read about success. I wish them much. And hopefully they will continue to provide us with many more moments of merriment. Thanks for asking. :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good News!-Largest Graduating Class in 20 Years more
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess just anything will do when you want to take a potshot at the Movement. It must be really irritating for you to have to read that the graduating class is the biggest in 20 years. So you pick on some small thing to feed your irritation and no doubt hope to garner a few supportive posts from your fellow malcontents on this board. You so much want MUM and the Movement to fail, but alas, it's not happening! Must be very painful for you to read about success. Sorry, I did not mean to give offense. I just have a problem with calling people doctor who have honorary degrees. It just isn't done and so it ends up sounding misleading. Actually, it seems like MUM has had some success through its foreign student programs. How many students actually are on site? Anyone know?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good News!-Largest Graduating Class in 20 Years more
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2008, at 7:25 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: Irritating how MUM gives honorary doctorates out like candy and then forever refers to the recipient as doctor so and so. That just isn't done in polite company. :) It's downright embarrassing, actually. Using phony degrees in order to gain phony titles is like living is an alternate reality. My personal favorite was: Dr. Doug Henning Sal Doctor: Next please. Name? Watson: Er, Watson. Doctor: (writing it down) Mr Watson. Watson: Ah, no, Doctor. Doctor: Ah, Mr Doctor. Watson: No, not Mr, Doctor. Doctor: Oh, Doctor, Doctor. Watson: No, Doctor Watson. Doctor: Oh, Doctor Watson Doctor. Watson: Oh, just call me darling. Doctor: Hello, Mr Darling. Watson: No, Doctor. Doctor: Hello Doctor Darling. (thanks to Monty Python)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Deepockets off the deep end.
One of the few times I agree with Jody. As usual Deepak confounds intellectual understanding with experience. --- On Wed, 7/2/08, tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Deepockets off the deep end. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 7:15 PM by Jody of Guruphiliac.: Deepockets Off The Deep End File under: Gurubusting and The Siddhi of PR Deepak Chopra, hot off his cameo in the recent flop, The Love Guru, lets us into his wacky world in an extensive interview in Newsweek: In a shopping mall in London, Chopra is explaining the connection between a journalist and his coffee cup. This is you,'' he says, pointing to the cup. You think it's a cup, but it isn't.'' Dressed in workout clothes, with no cell phone or watch, Chopra seems admirably at ease in the mall, so much so that he doesn't even check his placement at the bookstore. It's the conscious energy field that is manifesting as the cup and yourself. The same field.'' On the five-day silent'' retreats he takes every three months, sometimes with his wife, Rita, Chopra says he can actually see this field. Another day, another guru feeding us absolute nonsense about nondual truth. Not that there isn't a shared source of being between a person and a cup, just that it's never been something anyone would be able to see, outside the projection of their own imaginings about it. But that is the New Age™ way, and Deepockets is the most Indian New Age™ guru, so it makes perfect sense he'd spew a gaffe like this in Newsweek, despite our disappointment at finding out just how full of it he really is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Spiritually Hot in FF, Meditating with Karunamayi
Dateline FF 7.2.08: It was a Fairfield meditating community thing today. Meditation retreat with Karunamayi. Lady-saint from India. Room full of Fairfield meditators, group meditations, some shakti pot, some spiritual discourse. Unbelievable good experience. Didn't need no belief, it just was experience. Had to be there to experience It. The shakti pot was the holy spirit descending. Divine. Sorry you missed it, you ought to have been there. Would have lightened the heart of even non-meditators. Just another day in Fairfield life, the Sadgurus coming through. Jai Karunamayi, -Doug in FF P.S., Swami Ram Kripalu tonite. Tomorrow morning homa fire ceremonies with Karunamayi, tomorrow night, Devi Bhava with Ammachi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually Hot in FF, Meditating with Karunamayi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some shakti pot. Better than Maui Waui? (sorry)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good News!-Largest Graduating Class in 20 Years more
On Jul 2, 2008, at 8:32 PM, feste37 wrote: I guess just anything will do when you want to take a potshot at the Movement. It must be really irritating for you to have to read that the graduating class is the biggest in 20 years. So you pick on some small thing to feed your irritation and no doubt hope to garner a few supportive posts from your fellow malcontents on this board. You so much want MUM and the Movement to fail, but alas, it's not happening! Must be very painful for you to read about success. Dr. Settle did look really sattvic in that gold graduation gown.
[FairfieldLife] Sar Bachan by Shiv Dayal Singh
0 Seeker! Every moment remain engrossed in the practice of Surat- Shabd-Yoga [union of the attention-faculty of the soul with Divine Light and Sound within during meditation] for there is no other comrade like the Word. Close your outer ears and then listen to the reverberations of the Word inside. The Word will drive I-ness (arrogance, self-centeredness, ego) out of you. Gain access to the Word and then you'll attain to steadiness and control of mind. After that you'll perceive the glowing and brilliant light of the flame and remain rapturous in the resonance of the Word every moment. You will then feel sick, disgusted and satiated with the objects of pleasures and forsake all of them for you would have soared high and heard the sonorous and resonant sound of the Word that is rich, deep and impressively loud. The guru directs that you must remain contented and engrossed in that Sound; and then you will hear the diapason and crescendo of the sound (glorious and harmonious burst of musical sound and gradual increase in its volume). Then the surat [soul] rises from there rapidly, as if walking with heavy or noisy footsteps, impressively, and arrives at Sunn (Spirit-Sphere) hearing the euphonious tinkling sound. Thereafter, you will hear the sound produced by overtones rather than volume and pitch -- that of timbrel and tambourine; what shall I say about the majesty of the Sound which is infinite and unlimited. Whatever I may talk about it, it will be found wanting. This is a matter which is enigmatic and mysterious; how can I unravel its mystery. The surat [soul] now gains access to the depths and dimensions of the Spaceless and Timeless (Adhar). It now sits with her beloved Lord enjoying his perennial blissful company. All the darkness and dirt of the inner recess of the heart is now eradicated; showers of Sound are falling like murmuring rain. Inside you, as the light spreads, drops of ambrosia fall as the drops of dew. The mind has become fed up (annoyed and bored) with all other modes and methods (except Surat-Shabd-Yoga); the surat is now constantly applying to its wounds the healing and soothing balm of the Word (Sound). I now surrender my body and mind and all to the guru; Radhasoami [Lord of the Soul] speaks in this wise, time and again, with every breath. -- Swami Ji Maharaj Sar Bachan Radhasoami Poetry, Volume One The Quintessential Discourse Radhasoami Translated by M.G. Gupta M.G. Publishers, Agra
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepockets off the deep end.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the few times I agree with Jody. As usual Deepak confounds intellectual understanding with experience. Agreed- that Deepak is full of it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good News!-Largest Graduating Class in 20 Years more
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2008, at 7:25 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: Irritating how MUM gives honorary doctorates out like candy and then forever refers to the recipient as doctor so and so. That just isn't done in polite company. :) It's downright embarrassing, actually. Using phony degrees in order to gain phony titles is like living is an alternate reality. My personal favorite was: Dr. Doug Henning Sal Its a little bit of marketing is all. Even a real degree doesn't mean much these days-- there's that guy Bush wrecking our economy as we speak; record deficits, printing play money, record oil prices, and the guy has an MBA from Yale, a pretty prestigous degree by any measure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually Hot in FF, Meditating with Karunamayi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dateline FF 7.2.08: It was a Fairfield meditating community thing today. Meditation retreat with Karunamayi. Lady-saint from India. Room full of Fairfield meditators, group meditations, some shakti pot, some spiritual discourse. Unbelievable good experience. Didn't need no belief, it just was experience. Had to be there to experience It. This is a curious claim. How could you know that no belief was needed? No one was in the room without a lot of beliefs in place. The claim is an attempt to elevate your own experience, which is fine on its own without the attempt to make it seem as if everyone's beliefs were not a critical component of the experience. Why? Isn't is enough that with all the belief prep you guys had a great time? Do you really need to attempt to make an epistemological claim that is not only not known, I'm not sure it is even knowable in any practical sense? This is my beef with a lot of spiritual stuff. Enjoy it! Just don't think that you can make it sound more than it is scientifically or empirically. Despite Maharishi's attempts all these years to market spirituality as science, you really can't have it both ways. Once you make a claim like this you get buttholes like me speaking up pointing out that you have no basis for this claim other than the truthiness buzz you get by claiming it. The shakti pot was the holy spirit descending. Divine. Sorry you missed it, you ought to have been there. Would have lightened the heart of even non-meditators. Just another day in Fairfield life, the Sadgurus coming through. Jai Karunamayi, -Doug in FF P.S., Swami Ram Kripalu tonite. Tomorrow morning homa fire ceremonies with Karunamayi, tomorrow night, Devi Bhava with Ammachi.
[FairfieldLife] neat pics - vicinity of Arunachala
pics taken by Richard Clarke or his wife - vicinity of Arunachala. http://luthar.com/2008/06/20/arunachala-pradakshina-june-2008-full-moon- part-one/
[FairfieldLife] 'McCain has no chance to win'
[FairfieldLife] 'McCain has no chance to win'
'It Don't Take a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows... Bobby Dylan
[FairfieldLife] complete set of Clarke's pics -
at http://www.luthar.com (index at right) Along with the Song of Ribhu. For those not familiar with Arunachala, this is the Hill which Ramana Maharshi lived on, or near; after arriving there in 1896, until his death in 1950.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good News!-Largest Graduating Class in 20 Years more
On Jul 2, 2008, at 9:45 PM, sandiego108 wrote: Its a little bit of marketing is all. Even a real degree doesn't mean much these days-- there's that guy Bush wrecking our economy as we speak; record deficits, printing play money, record oil prices, and the guy has an MBA from Yale, a pretty prestigous degree by any measure. George Bush has nothing whatsoever to do with what we were talking about. As usual, Jim, you miss the point entirely while sounding like a complete dope. But thanks for sharing. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good News!-Largest Graduating Class in 20 Years more
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2008, at 9:45 PM, sandiego108 wrote: Its a little bit of marketing is all. Even a real degree doesn't mean much these days-- there's that guy Bush wrecking our economy as we speak; record deficits, printing play money, record oil prices, and the guy has an MBA from Yale, a pretty prestigous degree by any measure. George Bush has nothing whatsoever to do with what we were talking about. As usual, Jim, you miss the point entirely while sounding like a complete dope. But thanks for sharing. Sal How exclusive of you Sal- you sound pretty mean and dopey yourself.
[FairfieldLife] Bush Tours America To Survey Damage Caused By His Disastrous Presidency
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/bush_tours_america_to_survey
[FairfieldLife] Bush Tours America To Survey Damage Caused By His Disastrous Presidency
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/bush_tours_america_to_survey
[FairfieldLife] 'The Weather/Attunement to Subtlety'
Part of the way to Enlighenment which Maharishi described; Involved the refinement of perception, beyone the usual surface type. So, I have found, in my studies, that finding an 'Element' of the natural world... Is good to 'attune to'... So, if you feel that water is your thing, then let it be water. Or air, or thunder, or fire or sun energy, and so on... The Elders always considered themselves to be intune with nature, In some ways that gave them 'powers' beyond the usual perceptions... Much of this subtlety is lost in our culture, fixated on the superficial, sexosry overload... So, sometime you may feel a storm brewing; and for me, I love storms... So, it's very easy for me, to attune to the sound of Indra, and see how that aligns with the actuality of the spark of lightning, and accompanying thunder... Also, I have found doing tai chi, and breath techniques to increase the shakti, or chi, is also an adjunct to feeling the depth of energy contained in these natural phenomana... I would imagine, someone interested in the fire element, would love to witness a Volcano? And so, Perhaps one finds themselves more attuned to the element of earth, or metal, even... Then those elements could be used to ground the unbounded energy...of CC. So, when the weather is 'out of balance' because of stuff Then it is also or responsiblity, to take take time and attune to your element, To learn about it, and to sooth it and yourself. To heal the Earth- In So Many Words... But when it rains, it pours; perhaps all the sadness coming out? 'The Crying of Humanity, 'tis then when the Hurdy Gurdy Man. R.g.
[FairfieldLife] Hurdy Gurdy Man
Hurdy Gurdy Man ringtone Thrown like a star in my vast sleep I open my eyes to take a peep To find that I was by the sea Gazing with tranquillity. 'Twas then when the Hurdy Gurdy Man Came singing songs of love, Then when the Hurdy Gurdy Man Came singing songs of love. Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy he sang. Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy he sang. Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy he sang. Histories of ages past Unenlightened shadows cast Down through all eternity The crying of humanity. 'Tis then when the Hurdy Gurdy Man Comes singing songs of love, Then when the Hurdy Gurdy Man Comes singing songs of love. Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy he sang. Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy. Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy he sang. Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy he sang. Here comes the roly poly man and he's singing songs of love, Roly poly, roly poly, roly poly, poly he sang. Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy he sang, Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy he sang
[FairfieldLife] typical Neo-Advaitin I-Nome
Recently I was on a bus and a rather nice looking young lady came on, and passing a seated couple (apparently husband and wife); the wife said keep it in. I thought that was rather amusing, and indeed; might be applicable to many popular Gurus who put on a show of disinterest in such things. This dude has been around for a long time: I-Nome. Check him out. http://www.tinyurl.com/5kfnjz
[FairfieldLife] Re: typical Neo-Advaitin I-Nome - Samadhi definitions
-Nirvikalpa Samadhi (Definition from the Glossary of The Song of Ribhu, English translation by Dr. H Ramamoorthy and Nome. Published by SAT.) Nirvikalpa Samadhi, in which the meditator makes himself free from all thoughts and distinctions, free of all differentiations such as the knower, knowledge, and the known, and in which the mind ceases to be active. It may be divided into two subcategories: 1. Subjective: Here the mind is steady like an unflickering flame in a windless place, indifferent to both objects and sounds and in which the ideas that arise in Savikalpa Samadhi are absent. It is likened to an empty pitcher placed in the sky having nothing inside or outside. 2. Objective: Here the meditator, plunged in bliss, perceives no external objects. He is completely absorbed in the contemplation of Brahman; all illusory phenomena are merged in Brahman; he is indifferent to the manifest world and also to such ideas as akhanda (the undivided), eka rasa (the single essence), and such. It is likened to a pitcher placed in the sea with water inside and out. Sri Ramana Maharshi refers to nirvikalpa samadhi as complete absorption in the Self with resultant oblivion to the manifested world, as a state of blissful trance but not permanent, like a bucket of water lowered into a well. In the bucket is the water (the mind) that is merged with the water in the well (which is the Self), but the rope and the bucket still exist to draw it out again. Sahaja Samadhi (Definition from the Glossary of The Song of Ribhu) The Maharshi declares that Sahaja Samadhi is pure, uninterrupted Consciousness, transcending the mental and physical plane, yet (to an observer), with awareness of a manifested world, and full use of mental and physical faculties; Sahaja is a state of perfect equilibrium, perfect harmony, beyond even bliss, comparable to the waters of a river merged in those of the ocean. Sahaja signifies what is effortless, natural, and innate. It is the state of Being the Self and the Self Alone. This article was written by Richard Clarke, who has attended satsang with Nome since 1990. Much help and guidance in the writing was provided by Sarasvati. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I was on a bus and a rather nice looking young lady came on, and passing a seated couple (apparently husband and wife); the wife said keep it in. I thought that was rather amusing, and indeed; might be applicable to many popular Gurus who put on a show of disinterest in such things. This dude has been around for a long time: I-Nome. Check him out. http://www.tinyurl.com/5kfnjz
[FairfieldLife] Alan Jacobs explains the many Neo-Advaitin fallacies blind leading the blind.
at http://www.tinyurl.com/5zpvf4 (explained from the pov of Ramana Maharshi's Self Enquiry): The Neo-Advaitins claim there is no one there to make any effort. This is absurd. The energy for the wish for liberation arises and the intelligent part of the `phantom ego' begins Self Enquiry and its support practices leading to one pointedness. If there was no one there to make effort, how does any work get achieved on this planet at all? Self Enquiry needs preparation, as David Frawley has pointed out in his excellent books on Advaita and articles in the Mountain Path. Self Enquiry may not yield an immediate perceivable result. It commences a graceful process of removing the obstacle of obscuration to the Realisation of the Real Self. To borrow metaphors from the Gospels, the Kingdom of Heaven within is the pearl of great price. It has to be earned by earnest enquiry and surrender. The real purpose of Life in this birth is not merely to enjoy oneself in sensual pleasure but to summon the necessary effort to remove the phantom ego's sense of separation and identification with the mind, thoughts feelings and body. If the blind lead the blind both shall fall into the ditch. It is truly a marvel of Maya that some Neo-Advaita teachers can state personal views which suggest that their knowledge is more profound than that of the Maharshi
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'McCain has no chance to win'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'It Don't Take a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows... Bobby Dylan At this point, who cares? As a conservative, I had been mentally and emotionally preparing for a possible Obama presidency. Everyone on the right kept insisting that he was not only on the left but the EXTREME left. Yet ever since Obama secured the nomination, he has, on an almost daily basis shifted not just to the center but the center-right. Verily, shall we count the ways? - FISA. - Gun-ownership. - Death penalty. - Federal-funding of his campaign. - NAFTA. - Tripping over himself to pander to Israel while at AIPAC. - No Moslems in photos surrounding him. - Responsible, GRADUAL, withdrawal from Iraq (exact quote from Obama from the speech at Unity, NH, making his Iraq stance almost the same as John McCain's) - And the latest: faith-based programs! George W.'s favorite to hell with separation of church and state initiative. Obama has morphed into John McCain/George W. Bush knowing that America is, at its heart, conservative and that no one can be elected president without representing that core constituency. Obama saw that the Clinton presidency was the one of the most -- if not THE most conservative -- of the 20th century (NAFTA, balanced budget, welfare reform, Defense of Marriage Act, executing retarded people, etc.) -- and is, wisely, following in his footsteps. So I am much more relaxed now...I've even been fantasizing that Obama's next repositioning will be to endorse the flat tax and once he does that (and who's to say he won't) I will actually CAMPAIGN for him! But I feel sorry for you suckers on the left who supported Obama in the primaries thinking he was the second coming...yeah, second coming of George Bush! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good News!-Largest Graduating Class in 20 Years more
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its a little bit of marketing is all. Even a real degree doesn't mean much these days-- there's that guy Bush wrecking our economy as we speak; record deficits, printing play money, record oil prices, and the guy has an MBA from Yale, a pretty prestigous degree by any measure. G.W. Bush's Yale degree was a BA in history. After not being accepted to the U of Texas Law School, he earned an MBA from Harvard.
[FairfieldLife] another witless Neo-Advaitin zombie: Tim
from his website, http://www.omkaradatta.info pic at http://www.tinyurl.com/6gjsgd to quote: I will be speaking here about deeper subjects - life itself. My guru is Nisargadatta Maharaj. I did not meet his body, it was a meeting of minds and hearts - of lives. Like he did with his guru, I listened to his words and did what he said: Just BE. Every word he said turned out to be true. People hesitate to use the word enlightened - as if there were something egoic about it, something self-centered. To me, it means lightened, light. The load has dropped, ego-momentum is finished. I am all there is - inclusively. It is amazing - when other goes, all are my Self - we are all the same Being. You are really me. The world is myself. Samsara is Nirvana. This is the final understanding. -- -- Current Reflection (24 April) - Morning Ruminations This has been a most unusual incarnation - most unusual. I have explored nearly every boundary there is to explore, within the confines of physicality. I have been manic, depressed, psychotic, panicky, obsessive-compulsive, homeless, drug-addicted. I have experienced successes and failures, relationships and aloneness, noise and silence. If I died tomorrow, I would have to admit this life has been exceedingly full and remarkable. So what have I learned? That is the mystery. I haven't learned anything of note, except perhaps that attachment is what binds us here as physical beings. Life remains a mystery to be lived, not a puzzle to be figured out. I have no further conclusions, nothing to add beyond this. The more I continue to explore, the deeper the mystery becomes. Life cannot be contained by thought or thinking, cannot be expressed in words, cannot be put into a box. It is about interdependence and independence, and it is about love. As far as consciousness goes, I continue to be the witness. As Reality, I continue on forever as the Supreme Self. I watch, I smile, I enjoy. And I relate to you - relationship is my very nature. Thank you for reading.
[FairfieldLife] 'How it all got started' (back in the day...)
Eyes of a Muse Pattie Boyd talks about her life as a 1960s icon, her fabled rock-and-roll marriages, and her view from both sides of the camera. By Jack Crager June 30, 2008 © Patti Boyd Click photo to see more images. Most classic-rock fans know at least a couple of things about Pattie Boyd: She's Layla and she's Something. Those are but two of the hit songs that Boyd inspired, written by her former husbands, Eric Clapton and George Harrison, respectively. Boyd acquired instant fame when she started dating Harrison at the height of Beatlemania: They met when she had a bit part in the 1964 film A Hard Day's Night and married in 1966. Then the 1970s love triangle between Boyd, Harrison, and George's fellow guitarist and best friend Clapton became the stuff of rock-and-roll legend. Boyd and Clapton wed in 1979 and divorced ten years later. This member of British rock royalty spent many years in front of the camera, both as a celebrity and as a fashion model, and also behind it as a serious photographer. I've had the experience of photographs being snatched from me by the paparazzi, and I've also deliberately stood and had my picture taken, Boyd says. I'd much rather be taking pictures. I'm actually quite shy. American Photo caught up with Boyd during her visit to New York City's Morrison Hotel Gallery, where an exhibition of her images recently went up. The work has also been shown at Morrison Hotel Galleries in Los Angeles and La Jolla, California (visit morrisonhotelgallery.com or pattieboyd.co.uk). Now 64, still vivacious and beautiful, Boyd candidly recalls her colorful past -- much of which came to light in her revelatory 2007 book, Wonderful Tonight (Harmony Books, $26), named after another hit song written about Boyd by Clapton. I liked the book title fine, she says, but the publisher chose it. I wanted it to be called I Went to the Cinema with Elvis. She's alluding to an anecdote from the book, and also to the happenstance manner in which she met Harrison on the set of A Hard Day's Night. Boyd had been given her film part (she played a schoolgirl) by director Richard Lester, whom she'd met while shooting television commercials. I never had a desire to be an actress, so that was my first and last film part, she says with a laugh. I mean, how do you top that? Boyd was surprised when Harrison asked her out; she told him about her boyfriend, a photographer who had been helping her start a modeling career. But soon after, she dumped the photographer and started dating the Beatle -- giving her a ticket to ride in the hippest circles of swinging London in the mid-1960s. I absolutely loved it, she recalls of the scene. It was so buzzy, with interesting people -- mad and fun and eccentric. All the creative people seemed to congregate: designers, painters, filmmakers, and of course musicians. Boyd's modeling career also took off, with appearances on Vogue covers. She says she didn't regard being a celebrity as a burden, though she notes that Harrison did. George was never very comfortable with that level of fame, she says. The Beatles had experiences where they realized, on tour, that they were trapped in their hotel room. They couldn't go anywhere. That's when George realized what fame had done to them, and he didn't like it. He didn't understand why he was famous. Why him and not somebody else? For her part, Boyd recalls fans interrupting her and George as they dined out, intrusive autograph-seekers, and the ever-present paparazzi. They were invasive and irritating, she says of the latter. Our lives would be spent trying to hide from them. How ludicrous is that? Boyd remembers one nightmarish crowd scene when she and Harrison visited San Francisco's Haight-Ashbury area in 1967, during the Summer of Love. That put us off forever, really, she says. When all these drugged-out people in the Haight saw George, I think they thought he'd appeared like a messiah, and they wanted to make him responsible for whatever state they were in. There were a lot of dropouts and bums and scraggly people. The crowd got out of control, and it was an eye-opener. Seeking a lifestyle change, Boyd became curious about transcendental meditation courses taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi; she was joined in this pursuit by Harrison and the other Beatles. The band and wives and friends famously studied with the Maharishi in India in 1968, which Boyd calls the most enlightening time of my life. © Patti Boyd Click photo to see more images. Around this period, Harrison gave Boyd her first serious camera, a Nikon F, and she began shooting portraits. I took several photos of the group in India and then I discovered the
