[FairfieldLife] Feedback for Curtis (was: Re: Turq the analy retentive Ru)
Curtis, In reply to your musings yesterday about how the first reaction of some people here is to lash out with personal invective when presented with an idea that challenges theirs or presents a different light on it, may I present the following rant by Off. ( bottom- dwelling in this post, as is he :-) I suggest that this reaction is many-fold. First, there is the cognitive dissonance I've been rapping about lately. All I did was echo back to him the implications of what he himself said -- that a boss should not get down in the shit with his underlings, and he loses it completely. A second trait is projection. Please note that what Off accuses me of is *exactly* what we've come to know him as on this forum -- being a hater. He also does some *wonderful* stuff like claim that he is not a follower of Maharishi and that I am, immediately after having posted, Your post makes me feel really fortunate to have been a follower of Maharishi. This must be the kind of stuff that in Off's mind separates the loosers [sic] from the big boys. :-) Also telling is the fact that he snipped what I said about inverse elitism, and then goes off on a tirade that couldn't be more elitist if it tried. He's one of the big boys, you see, and I'm a mere Ru, even though he's the one who described himself as a follower of Maharishi and I dumped Maharishi 30 years ago. And last, and most important, it's the *attachment* level of the gotta hit back mentality on this forum that amazes, the way that the people lost in it not only hold onto a grudge for years, but *take pride in holding onto the grudge,* as if that were a good thing. You've been having an ongoing discussion with one of these long-term grudge-holders, and here Off presents himself as another. He says that when I finally realize that he was right, You will deny it at first.but later you will cry it out on these boards. No-one will care...except me. This is the real crux of the mentality. What they long for is for someone to admit publicly that they were wrong and that the elitist grudge holder was right. It's the driving mechanism of the whole mentality. Look back over the long conversation you've been having with the Judester and count the number of times she has tried to make you admit that you were wrong and that she was right in that conversation. It's the Inquisition Mindset. It's not enough to burn you at the stake...we must make you *confess* your sins first. It's also really pathetic. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The guy I heard it from was there too. Anyways, with all her money she can't afford plumbers? .Jeez... I hate it when bosses jump in the shit for a few minutes to show you how great they are at it, Then expect someone else to do it without complaining all the rest of the time. Its like the boss from 'The Office'...Its bullshit. I never saw Maharishi jump in the shit to prove an existential point, with dictatorial/communistic polar opposites as overtones in social structure. Your post makes me feel really fortunate to have been a follower of Maharishi. Turq. I feel sorry for you. You're playing with the big boys here. You will loosse. Read on. Off obviously *likes* the idea of having a boss who tells his lessers to do things. God forbid the boss should ever do any of them himself. You have always been more of a Ru than me Turq.. I do not follow Maharishi, but your extreme prejudice assumes I do. It is a blindness you have given yourself. You, like most of the obsessive-compulsive posters here, are completely driven by hate and fear, like Bush and Cheney. And, as I say these words to youyou look deeply into yourself... and realize ...these words are true. Then, you try to answer with a shallow and 'witty' retort, but your guts knot up inside knowing how false you are being to yourself. Either that, or you fail to respond to this altogether, and try to avoid your inadequacies in the face of a mind far more attuned to truth than you can even dream of in your wildest child-like dreams. You cannot make it up this mountain Turq. It is far bigger than you have a chance to comprehend. You are falling, hopelessly now, in the knowldege that you are a real Ru...and I am nothing more than a humble knower of reality. You are the slave to convention. On your brightest day, you are barely able to touch the freedom of mind I have known since birth. I do not follow convention. You are a child and you are lost, you are feeling that loneliness more and more, because you do not know how to deal with the failure of your life. The truth hurts, but you know deep down that what I say is true. You will deny it at first.but later you
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
You nailed how I felt about it Raunchy. I am such a Bush-hater but I felt personally offended by this act. He could have shown the soles of his shoes if he wanted to diss our president. But he threw them for real at our president's head and the difference between that an an assassination attempt of only one of degree. Turning this guy into a hero reminds me how pissed off I am that we have brought our country to its financial knees spending money in that part of the world. The fact that he was not roundly denounced for his actions speaks volumes about our different values. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: The brother of the Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at US President George W Bush has said that the reporter has been beaten in custody. Muntadar al-Zaidi has suffered a broken hand, broken ribs and internal bleeding, as well as an eye injury, his older brother, Dargham, told the BBC. [...] I'm no fan of Bush, but there was no excuse for Zaidi's shoe throwing tantrum. Only Bush's quick reflexes kept him from getting beaned, and possibly an emergency trip to the hospital. He made light of the incident, but I believe an attack on a country's leader, no matter who it is, is an attack on the country. ...the previously little-known journalist from the private Cairo-based al-Baghdadia TV has become a hero to many, not just in Iraq but across the Arab world, for what many saw as a fitting send-off for a deeply unpopular US president. As he flung the shoes, Mr Zaidi shouted: This is a goodbye kiss from the Iraqi people, dog. [...] Mr Zaidi said his actions were for Iraqi widows and orphans. [...] The shoes themselves are said to have attracted bids from around the Arab world. According to unconfirmed newspaper reports, the former coach of the Iraqi national football team, Adnan Hamad, has offered $100,000 (£65,000) for the shoes, while a Saudi citizen has apparently offered $10m (£6.5m). Once again an obscure misanthrope from the Arab world becomes a hero, and rises to the status of Osama Ben Laden. The Iraqi authorities have said the 28-year-old will be prosecuted under Iraqi law, although it is not yet clear what the charges might be. Iraqi lawyers have speculated that he could face charges of insulting a foreign leader and the Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri Maliki, who was standing next to President Bush during the incident. The offence carries a maximum penalty of two years in jail. [...] Mr Zaidi, who lives in Baghdad, has worked for al-Baghdadia for three years. Muzhir al-Khafaji, programming director for the channel, described him as a proud Arab and an open-minded man. He said that Mr Zaidi was a graduate of communications from Baghdad University. He has no ties with the former regime. His family was arrested under Saddam's regime, he said. Mr Zaidi has previously been abducted by insurgents and held twice for questioning by US forces in Iraq. [...] Zaidi's presumed emotional scars from allegedly despicable treatment is still no excuse for his behavior. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7785338.stm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: The Iraqi authorities have said the 28-year-old will be prosecuted under Iraqi law, although it is not yet clear what the charges might be... Who knows? But on the question of the sentance, he should be required to do community service in the form of training for the 2012 Olympics in a sport as yet not specified. How many of you soft bellied MIU students could hurl a fairly heavy, out of balance and aerodynamically dreadful object at a target 9 diameter, with accuracy, and twice within as many seconds over a considerable range? Uns.
[FairfieldLife] 60 Minutes: Second Mortgage Disaster Looming On The Horizon
As correspondent Scott Pelley reports, it turns out the abyss is deeper than most people think because there is a second mortgage shock heading for the economy. In the executive suites of Wall Street and Washington, you're beginning to hear alarm about a new wave of mortgages with strange names that are about to become all too familiar. If you thought sub-primes were insanely reckless wait until you hear what's coming. Watch: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4668112n
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's Delusions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/12/chopras_delusions.html . Today's Arjunas, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert (We are tired of fighting and winning.) and President-Elect Barack Obama, appear genuinely dedicated to doing everything possible to achieve peace. But will all this peace include removing the 250,000 illegal Israeli settlers from the West Bank and giving the Palestinian refugees the right of return (theirs under UN law)? Just treating the locals like human beings would be nice. This is a good test for Obama; change or the usual submission to the Jewish lobby. He should make it illegal for Americans to build homes on stolen land in Palestine, that would be a good start.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: 'Which god you like?' - USA 1959
You are wrong again Vaj. Vaj wrote: That's also why worshipping gods or goddesses does not move you out of suffering... Almost all Buddhists, throughout the world, meditate and use mnemonic devices in their meditation practice, such as bija mantras, images, or symbols such as mandalas or yantras. Most practicing Buddhists consider that the universe contains more beings in it than are normally visible to humans. Buddhists have no objection to the existence of the Hindu gods. Nevertheless, Buddhists can't take refuge in the gods because the gods are not Buddhas. There are no 'gods' in nirvana because the gods are not enlightened. For Buddhists, the gods do not have the liberating insight. But none of this entails the belief that the gods do not exist or that the gods cannot exert a powerful influence over our lives. Thus, the Buddhist has no problem with the gods. Meditation is just what Buddhists do - if they are able to transcend, then they're practicing TM - with or without the assistance of the gods.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
Maybe if Bush had lost friends and family or had them maimed by cluster bombs or illegally detained and tortured in Gitmo he might have understood the man's anger and not made a joke out of it. But humility is the last thing I would expect from that fratboy retard. He won't be missed. And I agree with you too Richard. I understand the hatred. But attempted assault is not cool. He is a president whose polices I hate, but he represents our country in another country. Hold up signs, tell him off, show him the soles of your shoes. But if someone tries to physically hurt our commander in chief then it is a danger to our country and we can't afford any more trouble right now. I am very disappointed that the guy got off a second shoe. Where were our the secret service agents who are supposed to be defending the president? The guy should have been at the bottom of a man heap after the first shoe. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: The brother of the Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at US President George W Bush has said that the reporter has been beaten in custody. Muntadar al-Zaidi has suffered a broken hand, broken ribs and internal bleeding, as well as an eye injury, his older brother, Dargham, told the BBC. [...] I'm no fan of Bush, but there was no excuse for Zaidi's shoe throwing tantrum. Only Bush's quick reflexes kept him from getting beaned, and possibly an emergency trip to the hospital. He made light of the incident, but I believe an attack on a country's leader, no matter who it is, is an attack on the country. Aw, Poor old Bush having to face up to the reality of how people in Iraq actually think about him. I would think that if every world leader had to mix with the people on the receiving end of their policies the world would be a different, and much better, place. Maybe if Bush had lost friends and family or had them maimed by cluster bombs or illegally detained and tortured in Gitmo he might have understood the man's anger and not made a joke out of it. But humility is the last thing I would expect from that fratboy retard. He won't be missed.
[FairfieldLife] Feedback for Curtis (was: Re: Turq the analy retentive Ru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: On the other hand, look at those who usually do NOT indulge in personal invective, or who do so primarily to get a laugh. *They* don´t tend to be on-the-program TMers. Barry, Thanks for the biggest guffaw of the morning. I assumed you intended to put yourself in the category of non-TMer, but how can you say with a straight face you do NOT indulge in personal invective By your definition of all that is foul about TMer's wouldn't that put you in the category of TMer? Or are you suggesting that indulging in personal invective is acceptable as long as you're doing it to get a laugh? It seems to me the purpose of personal invective IS to get a laugh.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: You nailed how I felt about it Raunchy. I am such a Bush-hater but I felt personally offended by this act. He could have shown the soles of his shoes if he wanted to diss our president. But he threw them for real at our president's head and the difference between that an an assassination attempt of only one of degree. Turning this guy into a hero ... A rich hero. He has been offered 10 million pounds (so far) for the shoes themselves. We differ on this one, Curtis. As Judy pointed out, the insult in this case was symbolic -- nothing on earth could express more contempt from an Arab than throwing their shoes at someone. In that culture, it's far worse than spitting on them. And I, for one, think it was appropriate. The leader of a country gets the level of respect he or she EARNS. Respect doesn't come with the title of President, and shouldn't. Personally, I think that the mass moonings through- out Scandinavia *before* 9/11 were a more effective form of protest, and of the protesters showing him exactly what they thought of him, and America. In several countries, 400-500 people at a time dropped trou in front of Bush and mooned him. In one instance he was giving a speech in Sweden and 200 people were mooning him from the front rows, and BUSH NEVER NOTICED. His handlers had to tell him about it afterwards. That's how bright and aware of things he is. At least a shoe flying at him got his attention.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: Maybe if Bush had lost friends and family or had them maimed by cluster bombs or illegally detained and tortured in Gitmo he might have understood the man's anger and not made a joke out of it. But humility is the last thing I would expect from that fratboy retard. He won't be missed. And I agree with you too Richard. I understand the hatred. But attempted assault is not cool. He is a president whose polices I hate, but he represents our country in another country. Hold up signs, tell him off, show him the soles of your shoes. But if someone tries to physically hurt our commander in chief then it is a danger to our country and we can't afford any more trouble right now. I am very disappointed that the guy got off a second shoe. Where were our the secret service agents who are supposed to be defending the president? The guy should have been at the bottom of a man heap after the first shoe. Apparently there is lack of a man heap defending Bush in the media as well. http://tinyurl.com/5s76mr What is wrong with these people? When the WaPo, the NY Times and AP piles on Bush and makes excuses for Zaidi, IMO we have reached a new low as self-loathing Americans. If we don't respect our own country, it invites others to piss on us.
[FairfieldLife] US Snubbed by Latin American Summit As Russia, China Loom
Dec. 15 (Bloomberg) -- Latin American and Caribbean leaders gathering in Brazil tomorrow will mark a historic occasion: a region-wide summit that excludes the United States. Almost two centuries after President James Monroe declared Latin America a U.S. sphere of influence, the region is breaking away. From socialist-leaning Venezuela to market-friendly Brazil, governments are expanding military, economic and diplomatic ties with potential U.S. adversaries such as China, Russia and Iran. Monroe certainly would be rolling over in his grave, says Julia Sweig, director of the Latin America program at the Council of Foreign Relations in Washington and author of the 2006 book Friendly Fire: Losing Friends and Making Enemies in the Anti-American Century. The U.S., she says, is no longer the exclusive go-to power in the region, especially in South America, where U.S. economic ties are much less important. [...] While the U.S. remains aloof from a region it no longer sees as relevant to its strategic interests, other countries are making unprecedented, serious moves to fill the void, says Luiz Felipe Lampreia, Brazil's foreign minister from 1995 until 2001. Countries in the region are more aware than ever that they live in a globalized, post-American world. [...] Latin American leaders are looking to Obama to restore relations after the Bush presidency's initial pledges of greater engagement gave way to a focus on the 9/11 terror attacks and wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yet the honeymoon with Obama may be short-lived, says Michael Shifter, vice president of the Inter- American Dialogue in Washington. He says that the issues that have dominated Latin American relations -- including Cuba, immigration and U.S. trade barriers on agricultural products -- may remain in dispute. Latin America wants the U.S. to be engaged, but in very different terms that it has in the past, says Shifter. In any case, they're not waiting around for the U.S. to change its mindset. Full article: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=a0a8IQrfwSFUrefer=worldwide http://snipurl.com/8flym
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: Maybe if Bush had lost friends and family or had them maimed by cluster bombs or illegally detained and tortured in Gitmo he might have understood the man's anger and not made a joke out of it. But humility is the last thing I would expect from that fratboy retard. He won't be missed. And I agree with you too Richard. I understand the hatred. But attempted assault is not cool. He is a president whose polices I hate, but he represents our country in another country. Hold up signs, tell him off, show him the soles of your shoes. But if someone tries to physically hurt our commander in chief then it is a danger to our country and we can't afford any more trouble right now. I think what annoyed me was the smirk Bush had on his face after the guy threw his first shoe, it betrayed a total lack of empathy with what he is responsible for creating. An acknowledgement that he understood why the guy was annoyed and sympathised with the appalling mess Iraq is in might have gone a long way to easing the mistrust people have of him. But then if he wasn't how he is people wouldn't throw shoes at him. Lets face it, he got off lightly. It could have been much worse. I think I'm right about it being a necessarily rude awakening. I remember reading that English MPs, before the Victorian age, used to *have* to live amongst their electorate and often in the same boarding houses. Thus, if they made a dubious decision in the houses of parliament they had the actual people they affected to deal with when they got home!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
We differ on this one, Curtis. As Judy pointed out, the insult in this case was symbolic -- nothing on earth could express more contempt from an Arab than throwing their shoes at someone. In that culture, it's far worse than spitting on them. I think the velocity of the throw was what tipped me over from symbolic protest to don't assault our leader. In our country slapping someones face in the what my neighbors call a bitch slap is also a sign of disrespect, but I don't want to see any of us slapping foreign leaders when they visit. The mooning and the shouting, all of that is fair game IMO. Bush as Richard pointed out has earned this disrespect in the world. I join them in their disgust for his policies. But physically hurting him is over the line and that guy was throwing those shoes with everything he had. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: You nailed how I felt about it Raunchy. I am such a Bush-hater but I felt personally offended by this act. He could have shown the soles of his shoes if he wanted to diss our president. But he threw them for real at our president's head and the difference between that an an assassination attempt of only one of degree. Turning this guy into a hero ... A rich hero. He has been offered 10 million pounds (so far) for the shoes themselves. We differ on this one, Curtis. As Judy pointed out, the insult in this case was symbolic -- nothing on earth could express more contempt from an Arab than throwing their shoes at someone. In that culture, it's far worse than spitting on them. And I, for one, think it was appropriate. The leader of a country gets the level of respect he or she EARNS. Respect doesn't come with the title of President, and shouldn't. Personally, I think that the mass moonings through- out Scandinavia *before* 9/11 were a more effective form of protest, and of the protesters showing him exactly what they thought of him, and America. In several countries, 400-500 people at a time dropped trou in front of Bush and mooned him. In one instance he was giving a speech in Sweden and 200 people were mooning him from the front rows, and BUSH NEVER NOTICED. His handlers had to tell him about it afterwards. That's how bright and aware of things he is. At least a shoe flying at him got his attention.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
Too bad the shoe throws missed. Remember that this occurred in Baghdad, where the locals are wise to the propaganda GWB was pushing. The sad reality is that despite the negative symbolism of an affront to our leader, what's worse is GWB probably gets a perverse pleasure knowing that he has infuriated the locals. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: You nailed how I felt about it Raunchy. I am such a Bush-hater but I felt personally offended by this act. He could have shown the soles of his shoes if he wanted to diss our president. But he threw them for real at our president's head and the difference between that an an assassination attempt of only one of degree. Turning this guy into a hero reminds me how pissed off I am that we have brought our country to its financial knees spending money in that part of the world. The fact that he was not roundly denounced for his actions speaks volumes about our different values. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: The brother of the Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at US President George W Bush has said that the reporter has been beaten in custody. Muntadar al-Zaidi has suffered a broken hand, broken ribs and internal bleeding, as well as an eye injury, his older brother, Dargham, told the BBC. [...] I'm no fan of Bush, but there was no excuse for Zaidi's shoe throwing tantrum. Only Bush's quick reflexes kept him from getting beaned, and possibly an emergency trip to the hospital. He made light of the incident, but I believe an attack on a country's leader, no matter who it is, is an attack on the country. ...the previously little-known journalist from the private Cairo-based al-Baghdadia TV has become a hero to many, not just in Iraq but across the Arab world, for what many saw as a fitting send-off for a deeply unpopular US president. As he flung the shoes, Mr Zaidi shouted: This is a goodbye kiss from the Iraqi people, dog. [...] Mr Zaidi said his actions were for Iraqi widows and orphans. [...] The shoes themselves are said to have attracted bids from around the Arab world. According to unconfirmed newspaper reports, the former coach of the Iraqi national football team, Adnan Hamad, has offered $100,000 (£65,000) for the shoes, while a Saudi citizen has apparently offered $10m (£6.5m). Once again an obscure misanthrope from the Arab world becomes a hero, and rises to the status of Osama Ben Laden. The Iraqi authorities have said the 28-year-old will be prosecuted under Iraqi law, although it is not yet clear what the charges might be. Iraqi lawyers have speculated that he could face charges of insulting a foreign leader and the Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri Maliki, who was standing next to President Bush during the incident. The offence carries a maximum penalty of two years in jail. [...] Mr Zaidi, who lives in Baghdad, has worked for al-Baghdadia for three years. Muzhir al-Khafaji, programming director for the channel, described him as a proud Arab and an open-minded man. He said that Mr Zaidi was a graduate of communications from Baghdad University. He has no ties with the former regime. His family was arrested under Saddam's regime, he said. Mr Zaidi has previously been abducted by insurgents and held twice for questioning by US forces in Iraq. [...] Zaidi's presumed emotional scars from allegedly despicable treatment is still no excuse for his behavior. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7785338.stm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: I think what annoyed me was the smirk Bush had on his face after the guy threw his first shoe, it betrayed a total lack of empathy with what he is responsible for creating. An acknowledgement that he understood why the guy was annoyed and sympathised with the appalling mess Iraq is in might have gone a long way to easing the mistrust people have of him. But then if he wasn't how he is people wouldn't throw shoes at him. Lets face it, he got off lightly. It could have been much worse. I think I'm right about it being a necessarily rude awakening. I remember reading that English MPs, before the Victorian age, used to *have* to live amongst their electorate and often in the same boarding houses. Thus, if they made a dubious decision in the houses of parliament they had the actual people they affected to deal with when they got home! I think it would be a good rule to institute nowadays as well. Imagine what Washington D.C. would be like (and how quickly it would change) if the lawmakers were forced to live in its slums (among the worst in America) instead of in fancy houses behind gates in Georgetown and other swanky neighborhoods. As for the rude awakening thing, and the protests here about the lack of respect shown to Bush and/or the United States, well WAKE THE FUCK UP. This IS what the world thinks of you. The only reason that most countries ever put on a show of respect is out of FEAR of America and what it might have once been able to do to them, econ- omically or via its enormous cache of weapons. Now the U.S. is bankrupt and a laughing stock economically, and can't afford to actually *use* any of its weapons any more. America is being treated like the third world bully it is. Get used to it. Bullies can only command respect as long as they are the biggest kid on the playground. America can't even afford to attend the school any more, much less dominate its playground.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
I think what annoyed me was the smirk Bush had on his face after the guy threw his first shoe, it betrayed a total lack of empathy with what he is responsible for creating. An acknowledgement that he understood why the guy was annoyed and sympathised with the appalling mess Iraq is in might have gone a long way to easing the mistrust people have of him. But then if he wasn't how he is people wouldn't throw shoes at him. Lets face it, he got off lightly. It could have been much worse. The guy is Mad Magazine's Alfred E. Neuman, what can I say. http://msa4.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/alfred_e_neuman.jpg He is our worst president in history and has done untold damage to our country and the world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Maybe if Bush had lost friends and family or had them maimed by cluster bombs or illegally detained and tortured in Gitmo he might have understood the man's anger and not made a joke out of it. But humility is the last thing I would expect from that fratboy retard. He won't be missed. And I agree with you too Richard. I understand the hatred. But attempted assault is not cool. He is a president whose polices I hate, but he represents our country in another country. Hold up signs, tell him off, show him the soles of your shoes. But if someone tries to physically hurt our commander in chief then it is a danger to our country and we can't afford any more trouble right now. I think what annoyed me was the smirk Bush had on his face after the guy threw his first shoe, it betrayed a total lack of empathy with what he is responsible for creating. An acknowledgement that he understood why the guy was annoyed and sympathised with the appalling mess Iraq is in might have gone a long way to easing the mistrust people have of him. But then if he wasn't how he is people wouldn't throw shoes at him. Lets face it, he got off lightly. It could have been much worse. I think I'm right about it being a necessarily rude awakening. I remember reading that English MPs, before the Victorian age, used to *have* to live amongst their electorate and often in the same boarding houses. Thus, if they made a dubious decision in the houses of parliament they had the actual people they affected to deal with when they got home!
[FairfieldLife] Exclusive: Rachel Maddow interviews NSA whistleblower
~Bush's illegal Big Brother apparatus spying on regular Americans~ Rachel Maddow w/ above Top Secret guest Thomas Tamm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akKeLNj9OUI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
This IS what the world thinks of you. The only reason that most countries ever put on a show of respect is out of FEAR of America and what it might have once been able to do to them, econ- omically or via its enormous cache of weapons. Now the U.S. is bankrupt and a laughing stock economically, and can't afford to actually *use* any of its weapons any more. I think the people who didn't vote for Bush or support his policies are aware of all that. But I don't believe that other countries show us respect only out of fear. Among the immigrants I live with there is a deep love for the opportunity America offers people who come here. Even in our shitty economic times my neighbors are happy to live here. And so am I. I know our faults and have traveled enough to know that other county's have got faults too. We are both the worst of the worst and the best of the best in the world. I accept that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: I think what annoyed me was the smirk Bush had on his face after the guy threw his first shoe, it betrayed a total lack of empathy with what he is responsible for creating. An acknowledgement that he understood why the guy was annoyed and sympathised with the appalling mess Iraq is in might have gone a long way to easing the mistrust people have of him. But then if he wasn't how he is people wouldn't throw shoes at him. Lets face it, he got off lightly. It could have been much worse. I think I'm right about it being a necessarily rude awakening. I remember reading that English MPs, before the Victorian age, used to *have* to live amongst their electorate and often in the same boarding houses. Thus, if they made a dubious decision in the houses of parliament they had the actual people they affected to deal with when they got home! I think it would be a good rule to institute nowadays as well. Imagine what Washington D.C. would be like (and how quickly it would change) if the lawmakers were forced to live in its slums (among the worst in America) instead of in fancy houses behind gates in Georgetown and other swanky neighborhoods. As for the rude awakening thing, and the protests here about the lack of respect shown to Bush and/or the United States, well WAKE THE FUCK UP. This IS what the world thinks of you. The only reason that most countries ever put on a show of respect is out of FEAR of America and what it might have once been able to do to them, econ- omically or via its enormous cache of weapons. Now the U.S. is bankrupt and a laughing stock economically, and can't afford to actually *use* any of its weapons any more. America is being treated like the third world bully it is. Get used to it. Bullies can only command respect as long as they are the biggest kid on the playground. America can't even afford to attend the school any more, much less dominate its playground.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The guy I heard it from was there too. Anyways, with all her money she can't afford plumbers? .Jeez... I hate it when bosses jump in the shit for a few minutes to show you how great they are at it, Then expect someone else to do it without complaining all the rest of the time. Its like the boss from 'The Office'...Its bullshit. I never saw Maharishi jump in the shit to prove an existential point, with dictatorial/communistic polar opposites as overtones in social structure. Your post makes me feel really fortunate to have been a follower of Maharishi. Ruth, here's one answer to your question about why people keep meditating, at least TM-style: they *get off* on being considered peons. Off obviously *likes* the idea of having a boss who tells his lessers to do things. God forbid the boss should ever do any of them himself. It's a kind of inverse elitism: Yes, we may be peons, but we're the 'best' peons because we do the grunt work for the 'best' boss. Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in?
[FairfieldLife] Davy Graham - A Tribute
R.I.P. Davy Graham. The most influencial English guitarist? http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2008/dec/16/davy-graham-video- tribute Or even: http://tinyurl.com/5uo7p4
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: This IS what the world thinks of you. The only reason that most countries ever put on a show of respect is out of FEAR of America and what it might have once been able to do to them, econ- omically or via its enormous cache of weapons. Now the U.S. is bankrupt and a laughing stock economically, and can't afford to actually *use* any of its weapons any more. I think the people who didn't vote for Bush or support his policies are aware of all that. But I don't believe that other countries show us respect only out of fear. Among the immigrants I live with there is a deep love for the opportunity America offers people who come here. Even in our shitty economic times my neighbors are happy to live here. And so am I. I know our faults and have traveled enough to know that other county's have got faults too. We are both the worst of the worst and the best of the best in the world. I accept that. Curtis, I have traveled enough, and have lived in other countries enough, to know that America is NEITHER the best NOR the worst, in any sense at all. What the immigrants are glomming onto is the MYTH of America. And that myth has NEVER been true, and certainly isn't today. Equal oppor- tunity for all? Give me a break. Highest standard of living in the world? Laughable. One of the reasons that Americans are becoming so defensive about slights to its honor like this shoe-tossing is that they're starting to *realize* how much of the American Dream is a myth. A million more people are out of work this month than last. Some say that four million more will be out of work by the time Obama takes office. As The Onion suggested, a black man really *was* given the worst job in the world. Fortunately, I think he's up to the task, but *what* a job he has ahead of him. The Myth Of America is -- and in my considered opinion has always been -- glammer. Buying into it is like meeting a woman in a bar who looks really hot and well-built when viewed through beer goggles and hope springing eternal. Then you wake up the next morning alongside a hag who somehow aged 20 years when the layers of her troweled-on makeup wore off, and whose build was achieved via falsies and girdles. The grass is greener will always inspire many, many people to pick up and move to other countries for the better opportunities that they provide. The test is whether those opportunities still look as hot in the morning.
[FairfieldLife] Feedback for Curtis (was: Re: Turq the analy retentive Ru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Could it be that this is the real legacy of TM? snip What I continue to find fascinating is that this Turq-fellow, even 30 years after he was kicked out of the TM-Movement STILL has not gotten over it and moved on. Year after year he goes on and on about the TMO here on FFL and probably other forums, sending private messages to active TM'ers on the side, trying to convince them that TM is a bad, bad thing after first trying to gain their confidence, like Vaj also actively is doing. What is this, some manic focus ? Or simply lost Buddhists ?
[FairfieldLife] was: Shoe thrower; now: Bush self-loathing.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... wrote: Too bad the shoe throws missed. Remember that this occurred in Baghdad, where the locals are wise to the propaganda GWB was pushing. The sad reality is that despite the negative symbolism of an affront to our leader, what's worse is GWB probably gets a perverse pleasure knowing that he has infuriated the locals. Do you, as I, ponder GWB's prime motivation while at the helm of the great decline of America? Could GWB have harbored such intense resentment toward his class, and privilaged upbringing, that he intentionally destroyed America, its financial institutions, and its reputation world-wide ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq the analy retentive Ru ----- was// Letters From
You are playing with fire now... From: John Manning Subject: Re: Super Petrus Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2002-08-06 16:45:54 PST To personally single out; insult and mock others who do not hold your views is an example of 'spiritual growth' in TM? You, *ALL* of you who have supported this, express your *lack* of spiritual 'results' with TM. That is my point. There are none - (spiritual 'results') - with you creeps. You're not much different than Mormons who say, I KNOW that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, and that he restored the one true church in these end times. And then they claim that their detractors are from the devil.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? The social reinforcement and conditioning. Early on I got into helping at the center and attending residence courses and the like, and you pretty much had to be regular in your prac- tice to do that or you got bad-vibed by the teachers. And, to be honest, in the beginning I really did perceive benefits from the practice. True, they coincidentally happened to be the very benefits I had been told to expect, so they could well have been imagined on my part, but I did perceive them to be happening. Later, as a TM teacher, the social conditioning and reinforcement were even stronger -- you couldn't very well tell people to meditate 2X daily if you weren't doing it yourself. But at a certain point I realized that the supposed benefits for which I had theoretically started TM in the first place had plateaued or leveled out, and that nothing was happening on the level of higher states of consciousness either. Like someone who realizes that they're in a bad marriage years before they do anything about leaving it, I hung in there some time longer. But then even the so-called social benefits began to drag on me, as I realized that the people I was staying a TMer and a TM teacher to be around were NOT people I liked being around. They were increasingly isolated, they developed an increas- ingly us vs. them mentality, and they weren't even nice to *each other*. It was the last one that finally pushed me over the edge and out of the TM movement -- seeing TM teachers blackballing other teachers and kicking them out of centers or keeping them from attending courses for the sin of reading books by other teachers or living with their significant others out of wedlock. I split. Even then I kept meditating, mainly out of habit. But it wasn't until I ran into another teacher and was taught several other forms of meditation that I actually began *enjoying* meditation again. Meditation was FUN again. Things like samadhi actually happened while practicing it; things like rapidly-shifting states of consciousness happened after practicing it. But I'd have to say that the main thing that kept me meditating during my TM days was the social conditioning and the PR. And a little of the negative propaganda. Like many, I had actually come to believe that Bad Things would happen to me if I quit TM, or tried some other meditation. Interestingly, only Good Things happened when I finally did.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
I guess there is a question of who to compare the US to. Smaller countries with more homogeneous populations don't share many of our problems. Countries with comparable or bigger populations don't show up as very inspiring. So perhaps comparing countries for good or bad is bogus on the outset. But the people in my neighborhood are not here because of a myth. The countries they came from genuinely sucked and they are not only doing much better here,they are sending home billions of dollars to improve the life of their families back home. We are living in the next morning reality, and they are not going home. I grew up with a more critical eye on the US but that has been tempered by living in the international communities around D.C. As an expat yourself I can understand your preferences to live abroad. But I love my country, and will be able to be proud of it with our new president I hope. Anything you want to say about America is probably valid to a degree. Concepts like equal opportunity for all are ideals beyond the reach of any country. But we have made a bit of progress and Obama symbolizes that for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: This IS what the world thinks of you. The only reason that most countries ever put on a show of respect is out of FEAR of America and what it might have once been able to do to them, econ- omically or via its enormous cache of weapons. Now the U.S. is bankrupt and a laughing stock economically, and can't afford to actually *use* any of its weapons any more. I think the people who didn't vote for Bush or support his policies are aware of all that. But I don't believe that other countries show us respect only out of fear. Among the immigrants I live with there is a deep love for the opportunity America offers people who come here. Even in our shitty economic times my neighbors are happy to live here. And so am I. I know our faults and have traveled enough to know that other county's have got faults too. We are both the worst of the worst and the best of the best in the world. I accept that. Curtis, I have traveled enough, and have lived in other countries enough, to know that America is NEITHER the best NOR the worst, in any sense at all. What the immigrants are glomming onto is the MYTH of America. And that myth has NEVER been true, and certainly isn't today. Equal oppor- tunity for all? Give me a break. Highest standard of living in the world? Laughable. One of the reasons that Americans are becoming so defensive about slights to its honor like this shoe-tossing is that they're starting to *realize* how much of the American Dream is a myth. A million more people are out of work this month than last. Some say that four million more will be out of work by the time Obama takes office. As The Onion suggested, a black man really *was* given the worst job in the world. Fortunately, I think he's up to the task, but *what* a job he has ahead of him. The Myth Of America is -- and in my considered opinion has always been -- glammer. Buying into it is like meeting a woman in a bar who looks really hot and well-built when viewed through beer goggles and hope springing eternal. Then you wake up the next morning alongside a hag who somehow aged 20 years when the layers of her troweled-on makeup wore off, and whose build was achieved via falsies and girdles. The grass is greener will always inspire many, many people to pick up and move to other countries for the better opportunities that they provide. The test is whether those opportunities still look as hot in the morning.
[FairfieldLife] Come Together
Cassandra Wilson and Diane Reeves [this is nice...] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cGwrlGzwcM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
Hugo wrote: But humility is the last thing I would expect from that fratboy retard. He won't be missed. Yeah, the fact that there are TWO democracies in the Middle East now, is the reason the reporter CAN throw a shoe at someone in Iraq. What happens in all the other 14 Islamic nations when a reporter acts up? Obama's decision to keep on Defense Secretary Robert Gates has angered the anti-war left, as it signals that Obama is prepared to drop his pledge to withdraw U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months - two brigades per month -- of taking office. I'm thrilled. Gates would not agree to stay if he expected a precipitous troop withdrawal. Read more: 'Obama and His New Crew' By Debra Saunders http://tinyurl.com/55nuvp
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
TurquoiseB wrote: America is being treated like the third world bully it is. Get used to it. Bullies can only command respect as long as they are the biggest kid on the playground. America can't even afford to attend the school any more, much less dominate its playground... As far as I'm concerned, Europe can defend itself from now on, if it can, which I doubt. Let's see them raise an army to fight off the Russians. Let's see how long the Europeans can last being dependent on Russian oil and gas. From what I've read, the Russians will be owning Europe in just a few years, if the Iranians don't blow the EU off the map before then. Does France even have an army anymore? The U.S. could make an alliance with India to wipe out the terrorists in Pakistan - who needs a bunch of feckless soldiers from Spain to fight a war? I'd vote to for the U.S. to pull out of NATO and let the EU fend for itself. We saved their butts three times already - maybe it's about time for the Europeans to defend themselves and raise an army of their own.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Hugo wrote: But humility is the last thing I would expect from that fratboy retard. He won't be missed. Yeah, the fact that there are TWO democracies in the Middle East now, is the reason the reporter CAN throw a shoe at someone in Iraq. What happens in all the other 14 Islamic nations when a reporter acts up? I don't think people are *allowed* to throw shoes at visiting heads of state even in a democracy, and the guy did a get a kicking for his trouble, which wouldn't happen in a democracy like ours, not without a public inquiry anyway. But do you really think Iraq is a successful democracy in that it won't just fall apart when the troops leave? And after five years of hell? Let's face it it's hardly the wonderful New American Century as planned by the hawks in the White house. And Afghanistan isn't any better. Obama's decision to keep on Defense Secretary Robert Gates has angered the anti-war left, as it signals that Obama is prepared to drop his pledge to withdraw U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months - two brigades per month -- of taking office. I'm thrilled. Gates would not agree to stay if he expected a precipitous troop withdrawal. Read more: 'Obama and His New Crew' By Debra Saunders http://tinyurl.com/55nuvp
[FairfieldLife] Images of the Universe from Hubble
[Click Full at lower right hand corner of screen for full screen] http://www.slideshare.net/viveremalegria/imagens-do-universo-pelo-hubble/ http://snipurl.com/8g6c4 Mind boggling video on Hubble images and size of Universe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epOzDJvqWYY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: America is being treated like the third world bully it is. Get used to it. Bullies can only command respect as long as they are the biggest kid on the playground. America can't even afford to attend the school any more, much less dominate its playground... As far as I'm concerned, Europe can defend itself from now on, if it can, which I doubt. Let's see them raise an army to fight off the Russians. Let's see how long the Europeans can last being dependent on Russian oil and gas. From what I've read, the Russians will be owning Europe in just a few years, if the Iranians don't blow the EU off the map before then. Does France even have an army anymore? The U.S. could make an alliance with India to wipe out the terrorists in Pakistan - who needs a bunch of feckless soldiers from Spain to fight a war? I'd vote to for the U.S. to pull out of NATO and let the EU fend for itself. We saved their butts three times already - maybe it's about time for the Europeans to defend themselves and raise an army of their own. Three times?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Attention Vampire: An occult theory of energy management
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: Veru nice little story, thanks. It depends. For example, what if dad was a Christian Scientist telling his diabetic daughter that prayer will heal her, and he gives her detailed explanations of the theories over and over again. He may even have a personal experience where he was sick and was better after prayer. She becomes angry and stomps off in a huff. Dad throws up his hands and laughs. Dad doesn't come off so good in this story. You can understand some theories and not agree with them. The diabetic daughter may understand everything dad is saying but disagree. As well she should. There may be more support for one theory or another and sometimes so much support that a theory can be discarded. The earth is not flat. You will die from diabetes if it is not treated. Sometimes there is wiggle room and people can just disagree. Find God by accepting Jesus? Find God by meditating? Find God by doing good? Find God by stimulating your brain with electrodes? I, ex-meditator may understand what MMY said, and said again and again, but disagree or have different theories than Nabby the meditator, but it doesn't make me laughable and it doesn't make you laughable. I may understand Off when he talks about consciousness research but I may disagree with the conclusions he draws. It doesn't make either of us laughable. I believe that the TM initiation process puts people into a suggestible state, so the meditation is more likely to be relaxing. Pat, my teacher, believed that the initiation process enlivens the mantra and shows respect for tradition. We had different theories, neither of us are laughable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
Curtis wrote: He is our worst president in history and has done untold damage to our country and the world... Although it is especially repugnant to seek political gain by promising to lose a war, it is also common for presidential candidates to make unrealistic promises, especially on foreign policy, and disregard them once elected. Obama thus is carrying on a long tradition of making empty and irresponsible promises. While he may deliver victory in Iraq, his war against cynicism has already been lost. Read more: 'Muted by Reality' By James Taranto Wall Street Journal, December 4, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6rslx5
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? And, to be honest, in the beginning I really did perceive benefits from the practice. True, they coincidentally happened to be the very benefits I had been told to expect, so they could well have been imagined on my part, but I did perceive them to be happening. Can you tell me what those benefits were? Thanks for responding.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: I guess there is a question of who to compare the US to. A good point. Smaller countries with more homogeneous populations don't share many of our problems. I think the days of homegeneous populations are over. Immigration and the changes it brings to a country are worldwide issues now. Countries with comparable or bigger populations don't show up as very inspiring. True. Can you imagine living on the economy in China or India? Not for me, thanks. So perhaps comparing countries for good or bad is bogus on the outset. You have no disagreement from me on that one. :-) But the people in my neighborhood are not here because of a myth. The countries they came from genuinely sucked and they are not only doing much better here,they are sending home billions of dollars to improve the life of their families back home. We are living in the next morning reality, and they are not going home. Cool. Good to hear. I guess my last experience in the U.S. (New Mexico) was atypical in that it was the second-poorest state in the nation. Native-born Americans had a tough time getting by there, let alone immigrants. Again, the issue becomes Can these places really be validly compared? I grew up with a more critical eye on the US but that has been tempered by living in the international communities around D.C. It's hard to believe, but my critical eye on America has been equally tempered by living in Spain and in France. I'm much easier on the U.S. now than I was when I moved here. As an expat yourself I can understand your preferences to live abroad. For me it's about lifestyle. What are the *priorities* of most of the people who live in that country? If the items at the top of the country's Priority List are making more money and accum- ulating the trappings of material success, I would probably not be happy there long-term, even if I were materially successful there. But if the items at the top of the country's Priority List are things like spending time with their families, having significant paid vacation time (6-8 weeks), enjoying travel and good food and good drink and spending a lot of time in cafes, I'm there. Hmmm. Come to think of it, I *am* there. :-) But I love my country, and will be able to be proud of it with our new president I hope. I think I honestly got over taking pride in any country a while back. Especially when it comes to fuzzy areas like loyalty. One of my favorite quotes is from E.M Forster: If I am ever asked to betray my friend or my country, I should hope that I have the guts to betray my country. Anything you want to say about America is probably valid to a degree. Concepts like equal opportunity for all are ideals beyond the reach of any country. But we have made a bit of progress and Obama symbolizes that for me. And for me. I feel a genuine optimism about the future of America with him at the helm. What inspires me the most is the way he does business. It's just way cool, and I think that it may just work to turn things around. Unfor- tunately, there is a great deal to turn around.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: You nailed how I felt about it Raunchy. I am such a Bush-hater but I felt personally offended by this act. He could have shown the soles of his shoes if he wanted to diss our president. But he threw them for real at our president's head and the difference between that an an assassination attempt of only one of degree. Thus spoke a true Hillbilly ! Congratulation curtis; it is no longer for me tease you with your upbringing now that you have once and forever revealed your true roots.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
We saved their butts three times already - maybe it's about time for the Europeans to defend themselves and raise an army of their own. Hugo wrote: Three times? Bill Clinton bombed the shit out of Serbia. Apparently the Europeans can't even prevent a genocide right in their own back yard, much less win a war in Iraq or Afghanistan. Feckless communists and socialists in Europe should be left to defend themselves from now on. The EU government can't even put down a student riot anymore. http://tinyurl.com/5g9lws From what I've read, Europe will be an Islamic state in less than five years and they will be getting ALL their oil from Russia and Iran. So, why should the U.S. keep any troops in England and Germany - the European economy won't support an army anymore, so why should the U.S. have troops over there, when people like you won't fight in a war and don't respect America's efforts to win the war?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: The brother of the Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at US President George W Bush has said that the reporter has been beaten in custody. Muntadar al-Zaidi has suffered a broken hand, broken ribs and internal bleeding, as well as an eye injury, his older brother, Dargham, told the BBC. [...] I'm no fan of Bush, but there was no excuse for Zaidi's shoe throwing tantrum. Only Bush's quick reflexes kept him from getting beaned, and possibly an emergency trip to the hospital. He made light of the incident, but I believe an attack on a country's leader, no matter who it is, is an attack on the country. Aw, Poor old Bush having to face up to the reality of how people in Iraq actually think about him. I would think that if every world leader had to mix with the people on the receiving end of their policies the world would be a different, and much better, place. Maybe if Bush had lost friends and family or had them maimed by cluster bombs or illegally detained and tortured in Gitmo he might have understood the man's anger and not made a joke out of it. But humility is the last thing I would expect from that fratboy retard. He won't be missed.
[FairfieldLife] Chopra's Delusions
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/12/chopras_delusions.html Unlike those who consider Deepak Chopra a New Age charlatan, I admire the work that brought him acclaim and success. This only makes his unintentionally callous comments about India's own 9/11 -- and his earlier libel against Israel -- all the more disturbing. Chopra presented ancient Hindu wisdom in an easy-to-understand way that many people feel has enriched their lives. Alan Scherr, the 58- year-old Virginia-based meditation teacher who was killed in Mumbai along with his 13-year-old daughter Naomi, also spent most of his life bringing India's spiritual riches to Americans, and he did it brilliantly. I had already begun writing about Chopra's comments when I learned that the attacks struck close to home with the loss of Alan, whom I met when I was about 7 years old and he was about 10, living on the same street in Baltimore. At that time the guys on the block formed a club, and I remember Alan, one of the older guys, as the leader. All I remember about the club was the one activity I missed, when the guys went to see the horror movie The Fly and later had nightmares about it. Alan went on to teach transcendental meditation, working closely with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. He taught photography at Loyola College in Baltimore and art at the University of Maryland. A few years ago, I ordered a meditation tape from Synchronicity Foundation, unaware that Alan was working there. One day I received a call that began, Hi, Ed, this is a voice from your past... During that and subsequent conversations, Alan provided wise guidance about meditation. I last saw him and Naomi at the funeral of his father Oscar, where my father was one of the pallbearers. At the memorial service for Alan and Naomi at Etz Chaim Jewish Center, a tiny Orthodox synagogue where his sister Susan is a member, I saw his brother Marc recall that Alan had been derided as strange and weird, mostly by me, describe food fights in childhood when the two very different brothers clashed, and say he now sees his brother as a leader and a visionary. Naomi was remembered as bright, lively, and innocent. She read Twilight and Harry Potter, and wrote to Harry Potter actor Daniel Radcliffe, who sent her an autographed picture for her birthday. Take all this horror and multiply it by the hundreds of Mumbai victims of multiple nationalities, races, and religions. Each day brings new atrocities. On the same Black Friday I learned the news about my old friend, a suicide bomber killed 12 people and wounded 23 at a mosque in Musayyib, Iraq. The world does not seem to have noticed or cared. What kind of mindset does it take to target random civilians in a House of God? Chopra said on Hannity and Colmes, ...unless we understand the root causes of this, we're going to perpetuate this violence over and over again. Yes, we're going to. Did he forget that US troops fought and died to rescue Muslims in Kuwait, Bosnia, and Somalia, and that a huge portion of the Islamic world already was at war with us before the birth of Israel, and before the birth of George W. Bush? They were already inflamed -- by enthusiasm to join Hitler's war against us, bonding over a shared excitement over exterminating Jews that, for jihadists, goes back centuries. Chopra wants to do something, anything, to calm down Islamic terrorist rage. We all do. Ultimately the [terrorists'] message is always toward Washington, he said. Yet even if the US and Israel were to disappear, there would be no shortage of Islamic extremist rage -- at Buddhist schoolgirls they behead in Thailand; at Christians persecuted for being the wrong religion; at schoolchildren in Beslan, Russia; at blacks they enslave, rape, and kill in genocidal numbers in Sudan; at the Dalai Lama, who is under a death fatwa; at the five fishermen the Mumbai terrorists killed at the start of their mission; at fellow terrorists summarily executed in Palestinian infighting; at their own women who they dispose of in honor killings; at their own children who are hanged to death in Iran on suspicion of being gay. It takes no more than a mere cartoon to trigger deadly rage. Chopra's terror-excuse-seeking comments were not an uncharacteristic lapse, but the continuation of a pattern. Last year, in his article Peace Through the Back Door, he condemned Israel's self-defense against the Hezbollah attack the previous year as an exercise in pure arrogance, a devastating assault on a defenseless neighbor, with the pretext being the capture of two Israeli soldiers. Chopra's astonishing charge that Israel wished to inflict death and destruction, and eagerly seized a pretext to do so, joins the list of modern blood libels -- apartheid, ethnic cleansing, genocide, etc -- endlessly repeated by the bigoted and the ignorant. This defamation was
[FairfieldLife] Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
The brother of the Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at US President George W Bush has said that the reporter has been beaten in custody. Muntadar al-Zaidi has suffered a broken hand, broken ribs and internal bleeding, as well as an eye injury, his older brother, Dargham, told the BBC. [...] ...the previously little-known journalist from the private Cairo-based al-Baghdadia TV has become a hero to many, not just in Iraq but across the Arab world, for what many saw as a fitting send-off for a deeply unpopular US president. As he flung the shoes, Mr Zaidi shouted: This is a goodbye kiss from the Iraqi people, dog. [...] Mr Zaidi said his actions were for Iraqi widows and orphans. [...] The shoes themselves are said to have attracted bids from around the Arab world. According to unconfirmed newspaper reports, the former coach of the Iraqi national football team, Adnan Hamad, has offered $100,000 (£65,000) for the shoes, while a Saudi citizen has apparently offered $10m (£6.5m). The Iraqi authorities have said the 28-year-old will be prosecuted under Iraqi law, although it is not yet clear what the charges might be. Iraqi lawyers have speculated that he could face charges of insulting a foreign leader and the Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri Maliki, who was standing next to President Bush during the incident. The offence carries a maximum penalty of two years in jail. [...] Mr Zaidi, who lives in Baghdad, has worked for al-Baghdadia for three years. Muzhir al-Khafaji, programming director for the channel, described him as a proud Arab and an open-minded man. He said that Mr Zaidi was a graduate of communications from Baghdad University. He has no ties with the former regime. His family was arrested under Saddam's regime, he said. Mr Zaidi has previously been abducted by insurgents and held twice for questioning by US forces in Iraq. [...] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7785338.stm
[FairfieldLife] Feedback for Curtis (was: Re: Turq the analy retentive Ru)
TurquoiseB wrote: But the bottom line is that what they are actually DOING, and consistently, is attacking other people, for the crime of believing something different than they believe... From: Uncle Tantra Subject: Re: Question for Delia -- Catharism Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Thurs, Sep 11 2003 http://tinyurl.com/66eu52 I'm not interested in cheap, cheezy shit you can find on the Net about the Cathars, most of it fiction...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: You nailed how I felt about it Raunchy. I am such a Bush-hater but I felt personally offended by this act. He could have shown the soles of his shoes if he wanted to diss our president. But he threw them for real at our president's head and the difference between that an an assassination attempt of only one of degree. Thus spoke a true Hillbilly ! Congratulation curtis; it is no longer for me tease you with your upbringing now that you have once and forever revealed your true roots. Attempting to cast aspersions on someone's birth background is so European. And an ignorance of what American terms like hillbilly actually refer to is equally ignorant European. It is one of the reasons why you are typing your childish insults using a technology we invented here in the US. While you guys were running around checking people's class pedigrees we have been taking all the best minds in the world to create new stuff that we can sell to you. And our inventions have transformed how the whole world communicates. But your personal attack on me for my post against violent acts against visiting national leaders is all on you Nabby. Your attempt to insult me by insulting my family, which you know nothing about, reveals your nature.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: And, to be honest, in the beginning I really did perceive benefits from the practice. True, they coincidentally happened to be the very benefits I had been told to expect, so they could well have been imagined on my part, but I did perceive them to be happening. Can you tell me what those benefits were? Thanks for responding. The most valuable I retain to this day, calm. I haven't been startled in decades. The same car backfiring that causes hearts around me to race doesn't cause any reaction in me at all except to check out what the loud noise was. I have always been a somewhat laid-back person, not given to overreaction, but I definitely noticed that trait (which I consider a good thing) increased as a result of TM practice. Meditation was always easy for me, and so I actually enjoyed the sessions while they were going on. They were relaxing, and occasionally (that is to say rarely) they were profound. I believed at the time that my energy levels increased, but looking back that could easily have been suggestibility on my part. I also noticed that cravings for things that were not necessarily good for me decreased. Spontaneously, as the TM sales pitch said they would. I could easily have continued dabbling in drugs because they were all around me, but I didn't. And to tell the truth, one of the major benefits for me was probably having a formal spiritual path that I could (at the time) respect and really get into. Christianity hadn't done it for me, and my dabbles into drugs had convinced me that that was a dead end, and my experiments with Zen hadn't really attracted me. But the TM thing was a kind of spiritual groove I could get into. I went on that first Squaw Valley month-long course in 1968, and I really DUG it. (Courses were fun back then.) They were so much fun that I started thinking about becoming a TM teacher, because the way I figured, if being just a rank-and-file TMer was this much fun, then being a TM teacher would be even more fun. Boy, was I young. :-) But young or not, TM really *did* hold my inter- est for many years. Four years of regular 2X daily meditation before I became a TM teacher, same after- wards until I split. In retrospect, I would have to say that the thing that probably had the most effect on my regular practice was the residence courses. I really *liked* the long meditations, and that allowed me to enjoy the shorter ones at home. That, and the fact that on those courses I was bombarded with enough dogma to choke an elephant. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
Curtis, this is my 50th; I'll get to our other ongoing discussion on Friday or Saturday. I'll be referring to the posts Barry has disingenuously styled as Feedback to Curtis, if you want to keep them in mind in the interim. In the meantime, I wanted to make a few comments re the shoe-thrower. I understand the hatred. But attempted assault is not cool. He is a president whose polices I hate, but he represents our country in another country. As far as I'm concerned, Bush does not represent *my* country. I'm against assaults on anybody by anybody, so I don't condone this one. But I'm not any more opposed to this one than to any other (and I'm distinctly *less* opposed to it than I am to the apparent brutal assaults on the journalist in Iraqi police custody). BTW, I'm sensing a lot more outrage from you over this journalist's action than I have from your take on Ayers's actions during the Vietnam War. Again, seems like something of a double standard. From another post of yours on the same topic: In our country slapping someones face in the what my neighbors call a bitch slap is also a sign of disrespect, but I don't want to see any of us slapping foreign leaders when they visit. You might feel differently if the foreign leader were the leader of a country whose forces had defeated and then occupied the United States, doing it and its people ghastly damage in the process (and who was standing there explaining to you as if you were a third-grader how We'll continue to work together to achieve...[blank expression; what was that word again? Oh, yes]... peace). Bush isn't just another foreign leader as far as Iraq is concerned. But if someone tries to physically hurt our commander in chief For the record, he isn't *your* commander in chief. He works for us, he doesn't command us. The only people to whom he is commander in chief are members of the armed forces in time of war, and that only because he is commanded by us to take that position. It's a misnomer for a U.S. civilian to refer to the president as our commander in chief. snip I am very disappointed that the guy got off a second shoe. Where were our the secret service agents who are supposed to be defending the president? The guy should have been at the bottom of a man heap after the first shoe. He was too fast; they couldn't get to him in time. This was a roomful of journalists who had already been searched for weapons and their identities verified as legitimate journalists. Security for such a group is never as tight as when the president is in front of the public. To have gotten to him before he threw the second shoe, they'd have to have had agents lined up all up and down the aisles. That's just too hostile an atmosphere for a press conference. The real question is why an agent didn't tackle Bush and throw him to the floor behind the podium, covering him with his body, immediately after the first shoe (or preferably before). None, apparently, was close enough; that may change in the future, from what I'm reading that the Secret Service is saying. Finally, I want to get this off my chest: Some people (not here) have remarked on how cool and collected Bush was. As much as I loathe him, I was impressed by that at first as well. But then it occurred to me how typical it was of his What, me worry? attitude about everything. That he apparently wasn't frightened was *abnormal*, completely unrealistic. Instead of just standing in place and dodging the first shoe, he should have ducked down behind the podium when he saw it coming at him and stayed there until he was told it was safe to stand up. But that, it seems, would have wounded his macho vanity. He essentially risked his life when he didn't have to. The next thing thrown could have been a grenade or something else truly lethal, for all he knew. It's the same recklessness that has characterized his entire presidency.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
ruthsimplicity wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in? What about folks who didn't keep up TM day after day but are still meditating but with other techniques? I sort of gave up on TM several years after TTC and Sidhis because I was unsure of my advanced technique and received no help from the movement on the matter other than write Maharishi for a mantra check which I did twice with no results. I was interested in ayurveda before Maharishi Ayuverda came into existence, paid $185 for what was essentially an intro lecture on ayurveda that I could have given myself at that point. That was in 1985 and when I walked away from the TMO. Doubt about the TM method itself came later though even by then I had read an article or two, especially one from a son of an Indian guru that presented an argument that mantras like TM without Omkara were not a good practice. There was also a book by a chiropractor who presented strong arguments that meditation itself was only good for certain kinds of people and other might benefit more from exercise instead. Fuller knowledge of this subject came from attending jyotish and ayurvedic workshops and seminars and just hanging out with folks from other traditions. I also was a patient of an MD who practiced ayurveda and also TM who, being a psychiatrist, was critical of the way TM handled roughness and even had some techniques he taught patients with such problems to reduce the problem. I was also interested in why the techniques themselves caused roughness with some practitioners. Much later I made the acquaintance of an Indian tantric who has taught much about mantra shastra as well as very advanced and powerful techniques. These techniques make TM rather lightweight in comparison. So I still meditate but with other techniques and siddhis.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: The brother of the Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at US President George W Bush has said that the reporter has been beaten in custody. Muntadar al-Zaidi has suffered a broken hand, broken ribs and internal bleeding, as well as an eye injury, his older brother, Dargham, told the BBC. [...] I'm no fan of Bush, but there was no excuse for Zaidi's shoe throwing tantrum. Only Bush's quick reflexes kept him from getting beaned, and possibly an emergency trip to the hospital. He made light of the incident, but I believe an attack on a country's leader, no matter who it is, is an attack on the country. ...the previously little-known journalist from the private Cairo-based al-Baghdadia TV has become a hero to many, not just in Iraq but across the Arab world, for what many saw as a fitting send-off for a deeply unpopular US president. As he flung the shoes, Mr Zaidi shouted: This is a goodbye kiss from the Iraqi people, dog. [...] Mr Zaidi said his actions were for Iraqi widows and orphans. [...] The shoes themselves are said to have attracted bids from around the Arab world. According to unconfirmed newspaper reports, the former coach of the Iraqi national football team, Adnan Hamad, has offered $100,000 (£65,000) for the shoes, while a Saudi citizen has apparently offered $10m (£6.5m). Once again an obscure misanthrope from the Arab world becomes a hero, and rises to the status of Osama Ben Laden. The Iraqi authorities have said the 28-year-old will be prosecuted under Iraqi law, although it is not yet clear what the charges might be. Iraqi lawyers have speculated that he could face charges of insulting a foreign leader and the Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri Maliki, who was standing next to President Bush during the incident. The offence carries a maximum penalty of two years in jail. [...] Mr Zaidi, who lives in Baghdad, has worked for al-Baghdadia for three years. Muzhir al-Khafaji, programming director for the channel, described him as a proud Arab and an open-minded man. He said that Mr Zaidi was a graduate of communications from Baghdad University. He has no ties with the former regime. His family was arrested under Saddam's regime, he said. Mr Zaidi has previously been abducted by insurgents and held twice for questioning by US forces in Iraq. [...] Zaidi's presumed emotional scars from allegedly despicable treatment is still no excuse for his behavior. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7785338.stm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in? Simple; his ego convinced him he could become a big shot in the Movement. He seriously thought the Movement would eventually see his greatness, give him positions. Being thrown out head and heals from the TMO due to lack of personal qualities, which several contributors here from time to time has confirmed, his ego simply cracked. As he confirmes here on FFL every day: 7 days of the week with 50 (!) long posts every week mainly trying to deflaim the TMO. This is what the Turq is mainly doing in life today. The story of the Turq is a story of a personal tragedy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom's accent?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: What is your connection to the TMO? Governor? TMer? TMer and retired siddha. I don't like the rather tight-ass attitude of the local TMO people. That's why I prefer writing here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
John wrote: The brother of the Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at US President George W Bush has said that the reporter has been beaten in custody... Well, I would hope so - the guy could have hit the President in the eye with the shoe - and blinded him, or someone else - it was a very stupid and juvenile thing for the reporter to do. If I had been Bush, I would have grabbed the guy by his necktie and slapped him good, or at least throw the reporter to the floor and then kicked him real good when he was down. The dumb reporter should get his ass whipped by someone, that's fer sure! Under Saddam, if a reporter threw a shoe at the President, the reporter would probably have been shot between his eyes or hanged on the spot, and his wife and daughters taken to the rape room. But from what I've read, the whole event was staged for Bush, so he could show the world how much progress has been made in Iraq. Only a few years ago the Iraqis were invading their neighbors and killing millions, and supporting terrorists that hijacked ships, now they throw shoes at a lame duck?
[FairfieldLife] Feedback for Curtis (was: Re: Turq the analy retentive Ru)
On the other hand, look at those who usually do NOT indulge in personal invective, or who do so primarily to get a laugh. *They* don´t tend to be on-the-program TMers. raunch wrote: By your definition of all that is foul about TMer's wouldn't that put you in the category of TMer? Let's just say that Barry would suck as a cult exit counselor - he probably sucked as a teacher as well. Fer sure he sucks as an cult informant! http://www.rickross.com/groups/lenz.html From: Uncle Tantra Subject: Open Letter To Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2003-08-06 http://tinyurl.com/6qg6ub Willy, since fucking prairie dogs or whatever you do with your time doesn't seem to fill enough of it lately...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Ruth, here's another factor that kicked in at the 5-year mark for me, on TTC. While on that course I and a few people I knew started having some realization experiences. They mapped one-to-one to Maharishi's descriptions of CC, so I assumed that's what they were. And, because that had been the dogma I'd heard for so long, I assumed that these experiences would be permanent. They weren't. Bummer. Now I had tasted (as far as I could tell) enlightenment, and the chef had moved to another restaurant that I obviously did not know the name of. So part of the reason I was so regular in my meds and went to more courses after that was to see whether these experiences -- which WERE cool -- would repeat themselves. They never did, interestingly enough, until I left the TM movement and stopped doing TM, and started doing another form of meditation. But that's definitely something you might want to factor in as you ask these questions of other TMers. How many of them stuck around and were regular in their practice because they were trying to recapture some flashy experiences from the early days of their practice?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in? Nabby dear, I didn't meant chime in about Turq. I would like it if people would share their own reasons why they kept or keep meditating. How about you? When you started meditating, what kept you going? What was positive?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Attention Vampire: An occult theory of energy management
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: I know people who think Shakespeare is boring, that opera is just a lot of screeching, and that anybody could splatter paint on a piece of canvas and create a painting as good as anything Jackson Pollock ever did. Here, I'm reminded of nothing so much as an occasion on which my best friend's genius husband tried to explain the Schroedinger's Cat thought experiment to their teenage daughter (herself extremely bright). She was utterly contemptuous: It made no sense whatsoever, was utterly idiotic, and anybody who thought it was of any significance even as a thought experiment couldn't have much in the way of mental capacity. Veru nice little story, thanks. Her father was very patient and worked at it for quite awhile--explaining it very clearly, I thought--but finally had to give up in the face of his daughter's scorn. All you could do at that point was throw up your hands and laugh helplessly.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Biggest Bullshiter on FFL --- /// --- was: Letters From an Enlightened Man
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:29 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Biggest Bullshiter on FFL --- /// --- was: Letters From an Enlightened Man --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:06 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Biggest Bullshiter on FFL --- /// --- was: Letters From an Enlightened Man Who is the biggest BS'r on FFL? OffWorld 1) Vaj 2) The Turq 3) PornoSal :-) Jeez, Nabby. Does this mean you love me? No, relax. Though your level of BS does not reach the level of Vaj, an impossible task anyway, you could easily fill the nr 3 spot if you had been more active. PS occupies this level simply because of her massive dedication on a daily basis. Alas, Nabby, I have to work full-time. If I didn't, I'm confident I could out-sling Sal any day of the week.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in? What about folks who didn't keep up TM day after day but are still meditating but with other techniques? I sort of gave up on TM several years after TTC and Sidhis because I was unsure of my advanced technique and received no help from the movement on the matter other than write Maharishi for a mantra check which I did twice with no results. I was interested in ayurveda before Maharishi Ayuverda came into existence, paid $185 for what was essentially an intro lecture on ayurveda that I could have given myself at that point. That was in 1985 and when I walked away from the TMO. Doubt about the TM method itself came later though even by then I had read an article or two, especially one from a son of an Indian guru that presented an argument that mantras like TM without Omkara were not a good practice. There was also a book by a chiropractor who presented strong arguments that meditation itself was only good for certain kinds of people and other might benefit more from exercise instead. Fuller knowledge of this subject came from attending jyotish and ayurvedic workshops and seminars and just hanging out with folks from other traditions. I also was a patient of an MD who practiced ayurveda and also TM who, being a psychiatrist, was critical of the way TM handled roughness and even had some techniques he taught patients with such problems to reduce the problem. I was also interested in why the techniques themselves caused roughness with some practitioners. Much later I made the acquaintance of an Indian tantric who has taught much about mantra shastra as well as very advanced and powerful techniques. These techniques make TM rather lightweight in comparison. So I still meditate but with other techniques and siddhis. Thank you. How about early on? What kept you going long enough to go get the advanced techniques and the siddhis?
[FairfieldLife] Feedback for Curtis (was: Re: Turq the analy retentive Ru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Curtis, In reply to your musings yesterday about how the first reaction of some people here is to lash out with personal invective when presented with an idea that challenges theirs or presents a different light on it... Also, just to continue rapping about this fascinating (at least to me) subject, have you ever noticed what it is that so many of the people who tend to react to ideas that challenge their own beliefs by personally attacking those who present those ideas *have in common*? Well, one thing they have in common is that they are all (presumably) human, and thus all prone to cognitive dissonance when they run across ideas that are contrary to their own. But, interestingly, a LOT of the people who react this way would characterized themselves as strong TMers. They are people who have been practicing the TM technique, and regularly, for over 30 years. So how does this relate to what you were saying about how TM teachers were carefully *taught* to not only characterize any other teaching or teachers as lesser, but to go out of their way to *demonize* those teachings and teachers? And to demonize those TMers who indulge in such heretical ideas? Just recently we've seen Nabby trotting out a derogatory quote from Maharishi about Mother Meera, and him hoping fervently that Paul Mason will burn in hell for doing (essentially) the same thing Maharishi did, but outside the auspices of the TMO. It's not that the people who regularly indulge in trying to demonize the people they disagree with are doing it *only* because they are TM TBs. I think we both know that some of them have some pretty deep personal issues that cause them to lash out at pretty much *everyone* they interact with, sooner or later. They´ll attempt to rip a fellow TB a new asshole in an instant the minute they think they´re deviating from the ¨purity¨ of vision that *they* have about MMY´s teachings. But isn't it interesting that the people they choose to develop long-term grudges against, and mount multi-year crusades against just happen (coincidentally, of course) to be those who walked away from TM and Maharishi? They may *claim* that they are doing this for reasons of fairness or intellectual honesty, but just LOOK at their track records. The ones they tend to demonize just happen to be those who have said the most things critical of TM and the TMO and Maharishi. Examples? Well, of course, Judy with John Knapp and Andrew Skolnick and Vaj and me and you. Nabby with anyone who says *anything* that is not 100% movement-sanctioned. Off is more ecumenical, and just lashes out at pretty much everyone :-), but at the same time he often finds a way of suggesting that the *reason* that the people he´s calling lowlives *are* lowlives is that they strayed from the TM teachings. On the other hand, look at those who usually do NOT indulge in personal invective, or who do so primarily to get a laugh. *They* don´t tend to be on-the-program TMers. Interesting, eh? Also interesting, in my opinion, is that the TMers who *do* lash out at others tend to say that what they´re doing is a Good Thing. They are ¨standing up for fairness¨ when they attack someone personally. They are ¨defending¨ someone or some principle when they do it. But the bottom line is that what they are actually DOING, and consistently, is attacking other people, for the crime of believing something different than they believe. Could it be that this is the real legacy of TM?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom's accent?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Just saw Tom Jones on Jimmy Kimmel Live! I've heard American ladies find British accent sexy, but I'd be surprised if that applied to Tom's Welsh accent, too. :D I thought you lived in Finland...they have Jimmy Kimmel Live! there? Oh yeah! We are fortunate enough to have it! On JIMtv (JIM = Jotain Ihan Muuta: Something Totally Different), LOL! http://www.jimtv.fi/sarjat19.asp And how come your English (your written English, anyway) is so friggin' good...is it your first language? You write it like a native... Why, thank you! It isn't my first language, and I often feel quite uncertain as to articles and prepositions. I feel like I'm overusing especially the 'the'... : ] In high school, English was my 5th language. Swedish was my second, Latin third, German fourth. But in addition to Finnish, English is the only one I can use in written communication somewhat fluently. Speaking of English, when you talk it, do you have a Finnish accent? Actually, I don't speak any language very well, not even Finnish. In speaking time is a crucial factor, whereas when writing you can ponder on an expression as long you like without annoying the listener. But I think very few people can speak a foreign language without an accent unless they have learned it very young. Well, I think I can speak for all the native English speakers on this forum when I say that your written English is flawless. I've always assumed that you were brought up here or another English-speaking country and moved to Finland in adulthood or something. What is your connection to the TMO? Governor? TMer?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: And, to be honest, in the beginning I really did perceive benefits from the practice. True, they coincidentally happened to be the very benefits I had been told to expect, so they could well have been imagined on my part, but I did perceive them to be happening. Can you tell me what those benefits were? Thanks for responding. The most valuable I retain to this day, calm. I haven't been startled in decades. The same car backfiring that causes hearts around me to race doesn't cause any reaction in me at all except to check out what the loud noise was. I have always been a somewhat laid-back person, not given to overreaction, but I definitely noticed that trait (which I consider a good thing) increased as a result of TM practice. Meditation was always easy for me, and so I actually enjoyed the sessions while they were going on. They were relaxing, and occasionally (that is to say rarely) they were profound. I believed at the time that my energy levels increased, but looking back that could easily have been suggestibility on my part. I also noticed that cravings for things that were not necessarily good for me decreased. Spontaneously, as the TM sales pitch said they would. I could easily have continued dabbling in drugs because they were all around me, but I didn't. And to tell the truth, one of the major benefits for me was probably having a formal spiritual path that I could (at the time) respect and really get into. Christianity hadn't done it for me, and my dabbles into drugs had convinced me that that was a dead end, and my experiments with Zen hadn't really attracted me. But the TM thing was a kind of spiritual groove I could get into. I went on that first Squaw Valley month-long course in 1968, and I really DUG it. (Courses were fun back then.) They were so much fun that I started thinking about becoming a TM teacher, because the way I figured, if being just a rank-and-file TMer was this much fun, then being a TM teacher would be even more fun. Boy, was I young. :-) But young or not, TM really *did* hold my inter- est for many years. Four years of regular 2X daily meditation before I became a TM teacher, same after- wards until I split. In retrospect, I would have to say that the thing that probably had the most effect on my regular practice was the residence courses. I really *liked* the long meditations, and that allowed me to enjoy the shorter ones at home. That, and the fact that on those courses I was bombarded with enough dogma to choke an elephant. :-) Interesting. In contrast, I found residence courses unbearable. It seems like a number of people here have had good things to say about the courses. (Food issues aside. :))
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who done it (?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Anybody know who dun-it? Just wondering. Om, to collude. What were they thinking? On Dec 14, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Marek Reavis wrote: Sal, that's what everyone says, and it's true to my experience, too. criminal clients (I mean the ones charged with serious crimes, as opposed to standard DUIs and petty theft, and low-level type misdemeanors), on the other hand, are generally very composed and often very easy-going and well-tempered. I trust almost all of them completely. That's within the confines of our relationship, of course, but it is no less authentic. I'm sincerely there to help them and they pick up on the vibe pretty quickly. Particularly so if the person is an experienced con; those guys are acutely adept at reading people. It's a mandatory prison skill. Marek, Good insight to a mind, thanks. Is interesting to see and hear the straight dishonest lie as it comes from some of the people in the middle here as a means. Cultivated at times. cultural. -Doug in FF who all among them helped move that money around? what were they thinking as they did it? Apparently the money bounced around between various accounts and shells in the US some and thence to offshore, Europe and then on to India. Some several folks certainly were doing the bidding pulling the levers. How did it go? Did Maharishi turn to Beven saying, let's get that money. Beven then calling on his lieutenants, that eschelon of those Brookes, Wins, or Millets in the Presidents Office, to have them go visit the bank and shunt that money out of there? Or was it Maharishi turning to that German finance guy and he contacting some guys down on Purusha in charge of the Purusaha accounting? Or Maharishi to his Nephew, thence to the movement lawyers in New Jersey? Nankashore was proly sent away by then so proly not him; not being family, and too many scruples? Dr. Hagelin, proly not his part of the business. To Mayor Win, attorney with movement, presidents office, client privileges at that level. Fingers in a lot of pies? Any of them, what were they thinking when they were doing it? Seems was a singular moment and a watershed by some scale. Just wondering how it went and, what in the world were they thinking? Anybody know the story? 'would like to know more about this. e- mail me on the side... dhamiltony2k5 at yahoo.com JGD, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Not defending them, just nit-picking for accuracy. Lawson yeah, it would still be interesting to know what in the world they were thinking as they were doing it. It wasn't pocket change those guys were moving around while Earl was then up at the front door soliciting people in for the million dollar Enlightenment course not looking behind. Like, what kind of conscience do these people have? These are people one would want to work with? JGD, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Not a cult? That is good. What were the guys thinking when they went in and pulled the levers to take the Kaplan money and shuttle it around? That what Maharishi and they were doing was more important than anything else? Like theft? Jai Guru Dev? If it was out and out theft, he could and should have taken them to court over it. MY understanding was that he verbally told them that certain donations were earmarked for specific projects and they transferred the funds somewhere else. Had he put it in writing, he cold have taken them to court and likely won. Not defending them, just nit-picking for accuracy. Lawson om om x
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: You nailed how I felt about it Raunchy. I am such a Bush-hater but I felt personally offended by this act. He could have shown the soles of his shoes if he wanted to diss our president. But he threw them for real at our president's head and the difference between that an an assassination attempt of only one of degree. Thus spoke a true Hillbilly ! Congratulation curtis; it is no longer for me tease you with your upbringing now that you have once and forever revealed your true roots. Attempting to cast aspersions on someone's birth background is so European. And an ignorance of what American terms like hillbilly actually refer to is equally ignorant European. It is one of the reasons why you are typing your childish insults using a technology we invented here in the US. While you guys were running around checking people's class pedigrees we have been taking all the best minds in the world to create new stuff that we can sell to you. Yes you have been selling well. last thing I heard is that you even managed to sell an attackplane that has not even yet been built to naive Norwegians. Quite a feat ! But your personal attack on me for my post against violent acts against visiting national leaders is all on you Nabby. Your attempt to insult me by insulting my family, which you know nothing about, reveals your nature. I have no reason to attack you or your family. Unless ofcourse you consider that war-criminal Bush, the Hillbilly of Hillbillies, this war-agressive fool of fools your family. You don't, do you ? Unfortunatley you do. However I do find it fascinating that you do not hesitate to insult the one who brought TM and Transcendence into your life; often several times a week.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
I have no reason to attack you or your family. Yes you do. It is because I goof on your fantasy daddy and you can't separate criticizing him with a criticism of you. Unless ofcourse you consider that war-criminal Bush, the Hillbilly of Hillbillies, this war-agressive fool of fools your family. You don't, do you ? Unfortunatley you do. Nice try to cover your petty personal attack. No sale. However I do find it fascinating that you do not hesitate to insult the one who brought TM and Transcendence into your life; often several times a week. The real reason you had to get me back personally. How enlightened of you. Perhaps you confused the word vengeance for one of the magically ineffective virtue sidhis. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: You nailed how I felt about it Raunchy. I am such a Bush-hater but I felt personally offended by this act. He could have shown the soles of his shoes if he wanted to diss our president. But he threw them for real at our president's head and the difference between that an an assassination attempt of only one of degree. Thus spoke a true Hillbilly ! Congratulation curtis; it is no longer for me tease you with your upbringing now that you have once and forever revealed your true roots. Attempting to cast aspersions on someone's birth background is so European. And an ignorance of what American terms like hillbilly actually refer to is equally ignorant European. It is one of the reasons why you are typing your childish insults using a technology we invented here in the US. While you guys were running around checking people's class pedigrees we have been taking all the best minds in the world to create new stuff that we can sell to you. Yes you have been selling well. last thing I heard is that you even managed to sell an attackplane that has not even yet been built to naive Norwegians. Quite a feat ! But your personal attack on me for my post against violent acts against visiting national leaders is all on you Nabby. Your attempt to insult me by insulting my family, which you know nothing about, reveals your nature. I have no reason to attack you or your family. Unless ofcourse you consider that war-criminal Bush, the Hillbilly of Hillbillies, this war-agressive fool of fools your family. You don't, do you ? Unfortunatley you do. However I do find it fascinating that you do not hesitate to insult the one who brought TM and Transcendence into your life; often several times a week.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's Delusions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/12/chopras_delusions.html . Today's Arjunas, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert (We are tired of fighting and winning.) and President-Elect Barack Obama, appear genuinely dedicated to doing everything possible to achieve peace. But will all this peace include removing the 250,000 illegal Israeli settlers from the West Bank and giving the Palestinian refugees the right of return (theirs under UN law)? Just treating the locals like human beings would be nice. This is a good test for Obama; change or the usual submission to the Jewish lobby. He should make it illegal for Americans to build homes on stolen land in Palestine, that would be a good start. Dream on. Thankfully, President-elect Obama has surrounded himself with Zionists. This is causing the anti-Semites to go ballistic as evidenced by the following: Obama is surrounded by Zionists, from his veepee Joseph Biden (You don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist) down to his lowly (ex-IDF volunteer) White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel. His domestic policy will be presided over by Zionists Timothy Geithner, Lawrence Summers, Paul Volker, Peter Orszag, Jason Furman, not to mention the founder of Rubinomics, the great Robert Rubin himself. http://www.albawabaforums.com/read.php3?f=3i=321108t=321108
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's Delusions
Vaj -- I love the Arjuna reference. Perfect! Great site...thanks for turning me on to it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/12/chopras_delusions.html Unlike those who consider Deepak Chopra a New Age charlatan, I admire the work that brought him acclaim and success. This only makes his unintentionally callous comments about India's own 9/11 -- and his earlier libel against Israel -- all the more disturbing. Chopra presented ancient Hindu wisdom in an easy-to-understand way that many people feel has enriched their lives. Alan Scherr, the 58- year-old Virginia-based meditation teacher who was killed in Mumbai along with his 13-year-old daughter Naomi, also spent most of his life bringing India's spiritual riches to Americans, and he did it brilliantly. I had already begun writing about Chopra's comments when I learned that the attacks struck close to home with the loss of Alan, whom I met when I was about 7 years old and he was about 10, living on the same street in Baltimore. At that time the guys on the block formed a club, and I remember Alan, one of the older guys, as the leader. All I remember about the club was the one activity I missed, when the guys went to see the horror movie The Fly and later had nightmares about it. Alan went on to teach transcendental meditation, working closely with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. He taught photography at Loyola College in Baltimore and art at the University of Maryland. A few years ago, I ordered a meditation tape from Synchronicity Foundation, unaware that Alan was working there. One day I received a call that began, Hi, Ed, this is a voice from your past... During that and subsequent conversations, Alan provided wise guidance about meditation. I last saw him and Naomi at the funeral of his father Oscar, where my father was one of the pallbearers. At the memorial service for Alan and Naomi at Etz Chaim Jewish Center, a tiny Orthodox synagogue where his sister Susan is a member, I saw his brother Marc recall that Alan had been derided as strange and weird, mostly by me, describe food fights in childhood when the two very different brothers clashed, and say he now sees his brother as a leader and a visionary. Naomi was remembered as bright, lively, and innocent. She read Twilight and Harry Potter, and wrote to Harry Potter actor Daniel Radcliffe, who sent her an autographed picture for her birthday. Take all this horror and multiply it by the hundreds of Mumbai victims of multiple nationalities, races, and religions. Each day brings new atrocities. On the same Black Friday I learned the news about my old friend, a suicide bomber killed 12 people and wounded 23 at a mosque in Musayyib, Iraq. The world does not seem to have noticed or cared. What kind of mindset does it take to target random civilians in a House of God? Chopra said on Hannity and Colmes, ...unless we understand the root causes of this, we're going to perpetuate this violence over and over again. Yes, we're going to. Did he forget that US troops fought and died to rescue Muslims in Kuwait, Bosnia, and Somalia, and that a huge portion of the Islamic world already was at war with us before the birth of Israel, and before the birth of George W. Bush? They were already inflamed -- by enthusiasm to join Hitler's war against us, bonding over a shared excitement over exterminating Jews that, for jihadists, goes back centuries. Chopra wants to do something, anything, to calm down Islamic terrorist rage. We all do. Ultimately the [terrorists'] message is always toward Washington, he said. Yet even if the US and Israel were to disappear, there would be no shortage of Islamic extremist rage -- at Buddhist schoolgirls they behead in Thailand; at Christians persecuted for being the wrong religion; at schoolchildren in Beslan, Russia; at blacks they enslave, rape, and kill in genocidal numbers in Sudan; at the Dalai Lama, who is under a death fatwa; at the five fishermen the Mumbai terrorists killed at the start of their mission; at fellow terrorists summarily executed in Palestinian infighting; at their own women who they dispose of in honor killings; at their own children who are hanged to death in Iran on suspicion of being gay. It takes no more than a mere cartoon to trigger deadly rage. Chopra's terror-excuse-seeking comments were not an uncharacteristic lapse, but the continuation of a pattern. Last year, in his article Peace Through the Back Door, he condemned Israel's self-defense against the Hezbollah attack the previous year as an exercise in pure arrogance, a devastating assault on a defenseless neighbor, with the pretext being the capture of two Israeli soldiers. Chopra's astonishing
[FairfieldLife] The real climate deniers
December 16, 2008 The Real Climate Deniers By Brian Sussman Last week, soon-to-be President Barack Obama met with former Vice President Al Gore to discuss global warming. In a brief presser following their closed-door rendezvous, Obama proclaimed, the time for denial is over. Ironically, as Obama yammered, Louisiana hurriedly prepared for a powerful cold front which would arrive the following night. The wintry storm ultimately dumped 6 inches of snow in Livingston Parish and dusted New Orleans with its earliest snowfall since records were accurately established in 1850. And the deep-south cold snap was not an isolated event. For most of the United States and much of the world, this has been one of the colder autumns in well over a decade, with reports of unseasonable snowfalls and plummeting temperatures from the American Great Plains to the Alps of Europe and into the inner reaches of Asia. Even China's official news agency reported that Tibet had suffered its worst snowstorm ever in October. In the U.S., the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 years. In fact, it's likely that 2008 will go down as the coldest year since in the United States since 1997. So who's in denial? Obama's inverted hyperbole hardly anomalous. Similar blunders splatter in the faces of the global whiners regularly. On February 13th of last year the Midwest was getting hammered with an unusual dose of bitter Arctic air. Minneapolis, Minnesota, woke up to -4°. Chicago had snow and a temperature of 19°. So ferocious was the weather that Maryville College in St. Louis was forced to cancel its screening of Al Gore's global warming manifesto, An Inconvenient Truth. As the storm quickly raced east, Washington, D.C. braced for its biggest snowfall of the season. Coincidently both the House and Senate had planned major climate convocations for the following day. Alarmed by the weather forecast, a notice was fired off to BlackBerrys across Capital Hill: The [House] Subcommittee on Energy and Air Quality hearing scheduled for Wednesday, February 14, 2007, at 10:00 a.m. in room 2123 of the Rayburn House Office Building has been postponed due to inclement weather. The title of the scheduled hearing was, Climate Change: Are Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Human Activities Contributing to a Warming of the Planet? Despite the House of Representatives' move to bag their global warming meeting because of non-global warming weather, undaunted, the Senate blindly went forward with theirs. Foreign bigwigs had been called to Washington for this summit and cancelling it would have created great inconvenience-and embarrassment for their Senate host, Senator John McCain. As the dignitaries cruised from their D.C. hotels through the snow-covered city in gas-guzzling 4-wheel drive Suburbans, they witnessed the fluffy white evidence of the biggest snowfall of the season. In addition, the temperature was a stunning 11° below normal. Acting oblivious to the reality outdoors, McCain foolishly addressed the assembled group and said, The debate is over, my friends. The question is, what do we do? What you should do, Messer's Obama, Gore and McCain, is realize the debate is over -- there is no global warming. Yes, between 1970 and 1998 there was a minor warming of a mere .34°F, as verified by the NASA satellite records. However, there has been no notable increase in the global temperature since 1998, (humiliatingly confirmed even by the United Nations). Furthermore, your designer greenhouse gas- carbon dioxide-is neither a pollutant nor a problem. However, the facts are not getting in the way of their agenda. Obama's plan to stop global warming is the same one that's been touted by Gore, and identical to the plan rolled out last week by the California Air Resources Board (CARB). Without a vote of the people or the state legislature, CARB approved a roadmap for how California would implement its goal of reducing greenhouse gas emissions to 1990 levels by the year 2020. It's a liberty-sucking roadmap complete with new taxes, economic inflation and a heavy dose of Big Brother. The centerpiece of the plan in an elaborate cap and trade scheme which will punish businesses with increased costs -- costs that will be passed on to the consumer. Automobile CAFE standards will be increased and the production of plug-in vehicles mandated, thus forcing upon the struggling car dealers contraptions that will not be embraced by the consumer. Building codes, already a major pain for anyone doing any construction in the Golden State, will become more imposing in order to appear green. Worse yet, utility companies will have to provide 33% of their electricity from non-fossil sources. This extreme provision is
[FairfieldLife] Blago should appoint himself senator
Why not? 1) The Illinois legislature is probably going to impeach him anyway...better appoint himself while he's still Governor. 2) He should then announce that he did absolutely nothing different than what virtually every single one of the other 99 Senators in the U.S. Senate do in the course of the horse-trading that is part and parcel of American political life and if the Senate tries to censor him or prevent him from entering the chamber, Blago should devote himself to uncovering all the quid pro quo arrangements they all engaged in throughout their political lives. Damn, he should start a website inviting citizens to submit their examples of it. 3) Blago was just honest and politically incorrect in the way he went about doing it! It is the height of utter hypocrisy that everyone is knocking him for it!
Re: [FairfieldLife] The real climate deniers
On Dec 16, 2008, at 2:23 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: So who's in denial? It's probably too soon to tell. Weather is understood by a huge mathematical formulae which are not linear--it's a chaos complexity system--and thus what happens when you add energy to a chaotic system? It get's more chaotic: summers with lots of rain or no rain, too cold or too hot, warm winters and bizarrely cold winters. What you are seeing is probably the result of an increasingly chaotic system that keeps getting more and more energy (heat/global warming) added to it's overall equation. Deniers either ignore this fact or they simply don't have enough savvy to even know it exists. Thus they end up looking like dolts when they say stuff like it snowed in Texas more than it ever did-- as if that disproves global climate change--in fact, it's a good example of chaos in an increasingly chaotic system.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
ruthsimplicity wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Much later I made the acquaintance of an Indian tantric who has taught much about mantra shastra as well as very advanced and powerful techniques. These techniques make TM rather lightweight in comparison. So I still meditate but with other techniques and siddhis. TM and the TM-Siddhi program are supposed to (1) establish a person in Being, and (2) cultivate the ability to maintain that awareness in activity. Bhairitu, Barry and anyone else who's thinking of leaping into this thread, do your post-TM techniques aspire toward the same ends? Thanks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
ruthsimplicity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in? What about folks who didn't keep up TM day after day but are still meditating but with other techniques? I sort of gave up on TM several years after TTC and Sidhis because I was unsure of my advanced technique and received no help from the movement on the matter other than write Maharishi for a mantra check which I did twice with no results. I was interested in ayurveda before Maharishi Ayuverda came into existence, paid $185 for what was essentially an intro lecture on ayurveda that I could have given myself at that point. That was in 1985 and when I walked away from the TMO. Doubt about the TM method itself came later though even by then I had read an article or two, especially one from a son of an Indian guru that presented an argument that mantras like TM without Omkara were not a good practice. There was also a book by a chiropractor who presented strong arguments that meditation itself was only good for certain kinds of people and other might benefit more from exercise instead. Fuller knowledge of this subject came from attending jyotish and ayurvedic workshops and seminars and just hanging out with folks from other traditions. I also was a patient of an MD who practiced ayurveda and also TM who, being a psychiatrist, was critical of the way TM handled roughness and even had some techniques he taught patients with such problems to reduce the problem. I was also interested in why the techniques themselves caused roughness with some practitioners. Much later I made the acquaintance of an Indian tantric who has taught much about mantra shastra as well as very advanced and powerful techniques. These techniques make TM rather lightweight in comparison. So I still meditate but with other techniques and siddhis. Thank you. How about early on? What kept you going long enough to go get the advanced techniques and the siddhis? I got the advanced technique on TTC in 1976 and that was less than 3 years after starting TM. The Sidhis were two years later in 1978 (on a Citizen's Course). Unlike some folks here I didn't run into any problems with the local or national organization. Nobody bugged me about my music profession. In fact I offered to teach daytime courses at the main center for those who couldn't do evening classes. I also ran one center for some of the teachers in that area who had day jobs. But this was Seattle which overall had a bunch of TM teachers who were probably a bit more grounded and less prone to making things like a cult. We had a few folks who were TB'ers but they were regarded as jokes. A friend who was a TM'er but got a technique from the Muktananda group gave me and empowered booklet from Muktananda that had the Shiva mantra in it and I slowly replaced TM with that. My income improved and I in general felt better). It was far better to practice a technique I could be sure of than one I had a doubt about. That was in the early 1980's.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's Delusions
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/12/chopras_delusions.html . Today's Arjunas, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert (We are tired of fighting and winning.) and President-Elect Barack Obama, appear genuinely dedicated to doing everything possible to achieve peace. But will all this peace include removing the 250,000 illegal Israeli settlers from the West Bank and giving the Palestinian refugees the right of return (theirs under UN law)? Just treating the locals like human beings would be nice. This is a good test for Obama; change or the usual submission to the Jewish lobby. He should make it illegal for Americans to build homes on stolen land in Palestine, that would be a good start. Dream on. Thankfully, President-elect Obama has surrounded himself with Zionists. This is causing the anti-Semites to go ballistic as evidenced by the following: Obama is surrounded by Zionists, from his veepee Joseph Biden (You don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist) down to his lowly (ex-IDF volunteer) White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel. His domestic policy will be presided over by Zionists Timothy Geithner, Lawrence Summers, Paul Volker, Peter Orszag, Jason Furman, not to mention the founder of Rubinomics, the great Robert Rubin himself. http://www.albawabaforums.com/read.php3?f=3i=321108t=321108 Why is it good that Zionists who are fascists are in Obama's administration? Oh, that's right I must've forgot momentarily that Shemp is a fascist. Many progressives were upset at bringing Rahm Emanuel into his administration, BTW. We don't want any special treatment for Israel. And since I believe that all religions are shit anyway why would I think that piece of land is anything special. It is unwise to go looking for trouble but setting up Israel as country was just looking to start trouble. The author of the original article does not get the scope of what Chopra was saying. That article is about as biased as Fox News.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 60 Minutes: Second Mortgage Disaster Looming On The Horizon
do.rflex wrote: As correspondent Scott Pelley reports, it turns out the abyss is deeper than most people think because there is a second mortgage shock heading for the economy. In the executive suites of Wall Street and Washington, you're beginning to hear alarm about a new wave of mortgages with strange names that are about to become all too familiar. If you thought sub-primes were insanely reckless wait until you hear what's coming. Watch: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4668112n The Bush Great Depression will last at least 10 years. There are already economists pointing this out. How many here have enough savings or the ability to survive that long? Don't let anyone tell you things will be better in 6 months or a year. That is BS. Anyone who says that does not know economics or is lying through their teeth. The Great Depression didn't end until WWII but many remained in poverty from the Depression until some of the 1950's work projects came along. In my small town after the war many didn't have work. Many found work building dams in the area and the interstate highway system.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
I want a Free Muntadar al-Zaidi bumper sticker! do.rflex wrote: The brother of the Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at US President George W Bush has said that the reporter has been beaten in custody. Muntadar al-Zaidi has suffered a broken hand, broken ribs and internal bleeding, as well as an eye injury, his older brother, Dargham, told the BBC. [...] ...the previously little-known journalist from the private Cairo-based al-Baghdadia TV has become a hero to many, not just in Iraq but across the Arab world, for what many saw as a fitting send-off for a deeply unpopular US president. As he flung the shoes, Mr Zaidi shouted: This is a goodbye kiss from the Iraqi people, dog. [...] Mr Zaidi said his actions were for Iraqi widows and orphans. [...] The shoes themselves are said to have attracted bids from around the Arab world. According to unconfirmed newspaper reports, the former coach of the Iraqi national football team, Adnan Hamad, has offered $100,000 (£65,000) for the shoes, while a Saudi citizen has apparently offered $10m (£6.5m). The Iraqi authorities have said the 28-year-old will be prosecuted under Iraqi law, although it is not yet clear what the charges might be. Iraqi lawyers have speculated that he could face charges of insulting a foreign leader and the Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri Maliki, who was standing next to President Bush during the incident. The offence carries a maximum penalty of two years in jail. [...] Mr Zaidi, who lives in Baghdad, has worked for al-Baghdadia for three years. Muzhir al-Khafaji, programming director for the channel, described him as a proud Arab and an open-minded man. He said that Mr Zaidi was a graduate of communications from Baghdad University. He has no ties with the former regime. His family was arrested under Saddam's regime, he said. Mr Zaidi has previously been abducted by insurgents and held twice for questioning by US forces in Iraq. [...] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7785338.stm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's Delusions
On Dec 16, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Why is it good that Zionists who are fascists are in Obama's administration? Oh, that's right I must've forgot momentarily that Shemp is a fascist. Many progressives were upset at bringing Rahm Emanuel into his administration, BTW. We don't want any special treatment for Israel. And since I believe that all religions are shit anyway why would I think that piece of land is anything special. It is unwise to go looking for trouble but setting up Israel as country was just looking to start trouble. The author of the original article does not get the scope of what Chopra was saying. That article is about as biased as Fox News. Unfortunately since 80% of America are adherents of the Religion of Blood, they want Israel so Jesus has a place to come back to. He's supposedly coming soon!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
---http://www.askganesha.com/mantra/mritunjaya_mantra.asp In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Much later I made the acquaintance of an Indian tantric who has taught much about mantra shastra as well as very advanced and powerful techniques. These techniques make TM rather lightweight in comparison. So I still meditate but with other techniques and siddhis. TM and the TM-Siddhi program are supposed to (1) establish a person in Being, and (2) cultivate the ability to maintain that awareness in activity. Bhairitu, Barry and anyone else who's thinking of leaping into this thread, do your post-TM techniques aspire toward the same ends? Thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? I meditated regularly because I got the usual benefits - rejuvenation, clarity, happiness. The Transcendental Meditation technique, despite claims that it is not a sleep substitute, is a terrific sleep substitute, so I meditated because I cheated on sleep, and needed the deep rest. In addition to these daily benefits, I aspired to self-actualization, which I believed TM would cultivate. I became less regular in my practice when these conclusions piled up: - My personal enlightenment - cosmic consciousness - is in thrall to collective consciousness, hence there's not much point in throwing too much individual time and energy against that goal. - Full enlightenment - unity - comes by grace and not by my actions. - When I sit with my eyes closed I prefer to let my awareness go to awareness itself (which I understand to be the whole point of meditation), and a mantra is just another thought that interferes with that practice. - I can replicate the practical benefits of meditation by being present in the moment. - I was frustrated at not being enlightened after 32 years of TM. I still do the TM-Siddhis, sans hopping, at points in the course of the week, but my program these days consists of eating intelligently, exercising and avoiding caffeine. When I do those things and get to bed on time I can sleep eight or nine hours a night, enjoying sweet dreams and productive days.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real climate deniers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: December 16, 2008 The Real Climate Deniers By Brian Sussman Last week, soon-to-be President Barack Obama met with former Vice President Al Gore to discuss global warming. In a brief presser following their closed-door rendezvous, Obama proclaimed, the time for denial is over. Sussman, a former TV weatherman and current fringe racist, right wing talk radio host and global warming denier doesn't seem to be able to grasp the concept that climate *change* includes periods of abnormal weather events - all addressed and predicted by legitimate climate change science. Here's an example of this hateful freak on his radio show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFndkPStSNE
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: You nailed how I felt about it Raunchy. I am such a Bush-hater but I felt personally offended by this act. He could have shown the soles of his shoes if he wanted to diss our president. But he threw them for real at our president's head and the difference between that an an assassination attempt of only one of degree. Turning this guy into a hero ... A rich hero. He has been offered 10 million pounds (so far) for the shoes themselves. We differ on this one, Curtis. As Judy pointed out, the insult in this case was symbolic -- nothing on earth could express more contempt from an Arab than throwing their shoes at someone. In that culture, it's far worse than spitting on them. And I, for one, think it was appropriate. The leader of a country gets the level of respect he or she EARNS. Respect doesn't come with the title of President, and shouldn't. Personally, I think that the mass moonings through- out Scandinavia *before* 9/11 were a more effective form of protest, and of the protesters showing him exactly what they thought of him, and America. In several countries, 400-500 people at a time dropped trou in front of Bush and mooned him. In one instance he was giving a speech in Sweden and 200 people were mooning him from the front rows, and BUSH NEVER NOTICED. His handlers had to tell him about it afterwards. That's how bright and aware of things he is. At least a shoe flying at him got his attention. And no one in the US is allowed to get anywhere near that close to Der Fuhrer to even toss a spit wad.
[FairfieldLife] Introducing: Mac OS-X Vista!
http://tinyurl.com/6yrwl8 Mac OS X 10.5.6 Users Report Crashes, Blue Screens Support forums indicate that Apple's Leopard update is wreaking havoc on users' systems. By Paul McDougall, InformationWeek Dec. 16, 2008 Apple's latest update to its Leopard operating system, OS X 10.5.6, appears to be creating more problems than it's fixing on users' Macs. A day after the software was released via Apple's download service, users flooded the company's online support forum with hundreds of complaints about the upgrade. Most centered around OS freezes and so-called Blue Screens of Death. The latest version of Leopard (10.5.6) downloaded automatically via Software Update. However, when I attempted to install, the process hangs on 'configuring setup,' wrote a user logged in under the name Davald. I have owned dozens of Apple computers since my first purchase in 1977, and I also have the OS X 10.5.6 update problem, reported a user named Jim Needham. User 'Dr. Nick' said, Have to add that my iMac is playing up. Upgraded, and can't get past the screen where you type your password, the screen goes blue, and it cycles through a slightly different shade of blue to take me to the login screen again. Another, going by the online handle Xapplimatic, said his problems weren't limited to a single machine. All 7 of my Macs (Intel PPC) are all hung on the installation. None of them have gotten past configuring installation and it's been over an hour... I'm really worried, he wrote. Others reported that installation of the update caused problems with Bluetooth connections, the Safari Web browser, sound settings, energy-saving settings, and a host of other Mac features. Apple on Monday cautioned users to proceed cautiously with the update. You may experience unexpected results if you have third-party system software modifications installed, or if you have modified the operating system through other means, Apple said in a note on its Web site. Users could also have trouble if you have moved applications from their default locations, Apple said. The free download for existing Leopard users was supposed to offer a wealth of performance, convenience, and security updates. iChat users supposedly will see fixes for an issue that causes an encryption alert to appear in the chat window and for a glitch where users that set their status to invisible are automatically logged out of iChat. For gamers, the update includes modifications designed to improve performance of a number of games and fix image distortions that occur with some ATI graphics cards. Mail users should see a fix for a problem that causes messages identified as junk to remain in the inbox, while Mobile Me fans are supposed to get faster synching for contacts, calendars, and bookmark lists. Graphics pros will get improved performance with Adobe's C3 application suite, according to Apple. Mac OS X 10.5.6 is, among other things, also designed to improve performance and fix bugs in Apple's Time Machine archiving system, Safari Web browser, DVD Player, and TrackPad portable input system. Apple on its Web site has published a full list of the issues that the update is designed to address. Apple debuted OS X 10.5, or Leopard, last year. Its slick interface, along with some business-friendly security features, have helped Apple make inroads against Microsoft Windows in consumer and business computing markets.
Re: [FairfieldLife] was: Shoe thrower; now: Bush self-loathing.
mainstream20016 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... wrote: Too bad the shoe throws missed. Remember that this occurred in Baghdad, where the locals are wise to the propaganda GWB was pushing. The sad reality is that despite the negative symbolism of an affront to our leader, what's worse is GWB probably gets a perverse pleasure knowing that he has infuriated the locals. Do you, as I, ponder GWB's prime motivation while at the helm of the great decline of America? Could GWB have harbored such intense resentment toward his class, and privilaged upbringing, that he intentionally destroyed America, its financial institutions, and its reputation world-wide ? I agree. It's like he's so psychologically screwed up that he wants to go down in history as the destroyer of the US. Oliver Stone's biopic really shows what a fuck up he's been through life. Selecting him for the office was like leading a bull into a china shop.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real climate deniers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 16, 2008, at 2:23 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: So who's in denial? It's probably too soon to tell. Weather is understood by a huge mathematical formulae which are not linear--it's a chaos complexity system--and thus what happens when you add energy to a chaotic system? It get's more chaotic: summers with lots of rain or no rain, too cold or too hot, warm winters and bizarrely cold winters. What you are seeing is probably the result of an increasingly chaotic system that keeps getting more and more energy (heat/global warming) added to it's overall equation. Deniers either ignore this fact or they simply don't have enough savvy to even know it exists. Thus they end up looking like dolts when they say stuff like it snowed in Texas more than it ever did-- as if that disproves global climate change--in fact, it's a good example of chaos in an increasingly chaotic system. What pseudo-scientific codswallop. The fact that you say Weather is understood by a huge mathematical formulae gives the game away. You should at least know the difference between climate and weather if you are going to pose with such apparent profundities. And of course you are just playing the trick of collapsing from the interesting, but falsifiable (and currently being falsified) conjecture of global warming into the true but unfalsifiable and empty concept of climate change. For a thoughtful look at the issue why not check out this: http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/12/08/just-what-are-falling-temperatures-evidence-of/ http://tinyurl.com/6jt9lb
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
Bhairitu wrote: That's because you're a Texas cracker... So, it all comes down to where people are born - that's why you two Barrys don't like anyone from Texas. I always thought so.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real climate deniers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: December 16, 2008 The Real Climate Deniers By Brian Sussman Last week, soon-to-be President Barack Obama met with former Vice President Al Gore to discuss global warming. In a brief presser following their closed-door rendezvous, Obama proclaimed, the time for denial is over. Sussman, a former TV weatherman and current fringe racist, right wing talk radio host and global warming denier doesn't seem to be able to grasp the concept that climate *change* includes periods of abnormal weather events - all addressed and predicted by legitimate climate change science. Here's an example of this hateful freak on his radio show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFndkPStSNE Is this do-able without the boring ad-hominems? Can you point me to where the flatlining of temperatures in this century were predicted by your consensus of computer modellers? And predicted BEFORE the event and not after it?. (Quite why you should flirt so naively with the treacherous notion of consensus beats me. How did consensus fare in predicting the current economic situation? Empirical evidence trumps consensus any day.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'
Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: That's because you're a Texas cracker... So, it all comes down to where people are born - that's why you two Barrys don't like anyone from Texas. I always thought so. I don't like California crackers either, nor Vermont, Illinois, Florida... Trader Joe's crackers are okay though. Cracker was the defining term.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
Patrick Gillam wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Much later I made the acquaintance of an Indian tantric who has taught much about mantra shastra as well as very advanced and powerful techniques. These techniques make TM rather lightweight in comparison. So I still meditate but with other techniques and siddhis. TM and the TM-Siddhi program are supposed to (1) establish a person in Being, and (2) cultivate the ability to maintain that awareness in activity. Bhairitu, Barry and anyone else who's thinking of leaping into this thread, do your post-TM techniques aspire toward the same ends? Thanks. Yes, in fact even the technique for the public my tantric guru first gave me a month or more before he gave me the guru mantra cultivated the experience of unity. Some others who were TM teachers (including one Purusha member) also had similar experiences. The tantric meditation with the guru mantra even more so and the same with the tantric siddhis. With the TM techniques I mainly got the experiences of duality not 'unity.
[FairfieldLife] Sock And Awe -- the game
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The real climate deniers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: December 16, 2008 The Real Climate Deniers By Brian Sussman Last week, soon-to-be President Barack Obama met with former Vice President Al Gore to discuss global warming. In a brief presser following their closed-door rendezvous, Obama proclaimed, the time for denial is over. Sussman, a former TV weatherman and current fringe racist, right wing talk radio host and global warming denier doesn't seem to be able to grasp the concept that climate *change* includes periods of abnormal weather events - all addressed and predicted by legitimate climate change science. Here's an example of this hateful freak on his radio show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFndkPStSNE I agree that the white girl comment was over the line and, yes, racist. But what in the dickens does that have to do with climate change? Hitler was a racist and an anti-Semite (like you). Does that negate the fact that he was wrong about cigarette smoking, which he was against, and for vegetarianism, which he was for?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real climate deniers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: [snip] (Quite why you should flirt so naively with the treacherous notion of consensus beats me. How did consensus fare in predicting the current economic situation? Empirical evidence trumps consensus any day.) Consensus means that everyone gets to vote on scientific knowledge and if a majority agrees, then it becomes scientific fact. For example, if we want the law of gravity to be suspended for all objects over 1,000 pounds (to make it easier to transport heavy objects so as to cut down costs) all we have to do is take a consensus and -- Voila! -- this will become the reality.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 60 Minutes: Second Mortgage Disaster Looming On The Horizon
Bhairitu wrote: The Bush Great Depression will last at least 10 years. There are already economists pointing this out. So, can you cite any economists who claim that the current economical situation is the result of Bush policies? It doesn't appear that Obama's team has much criticism of the Bush administration's economic policies, particularly those that have been pursued during the current financial crisis. Politics can indeed be very strange. Who would have guessed, a few months ago, that when Obama announced his administration's economic team, some conservatives would be disappointed that so little change from the policies of the Bush administration appears in prospect? Read more: 'Change? Not Much' Posted by John Hindraker Powerline, November 24, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6daxge
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real climate deniers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: Hitler was a racist and an anti-Semite (like you). Does that negate the fact that he was wrong about cigarette smoking, which he was against, and for vegetarianism, which he was for? Shemp, off the topic (which I ain't gonna touch), but do you believe cigarette smoking isn't bad for you or was this a typo?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real climate deniers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: December 16, 2008 The Real Climate Deniers By Brian Sussman Last week, soon-to-be President Barack Obama met with former Vice President Al Gore to discuss global warming. In a brief presser following their closed-door rendezvous, Obama proclaimed, the time for denial is over. Sussman, a former TV weatherman and current fringe racist, right wing talk radio host and global warming denier doesn't seem to be able to grasp the concept that climate *change* includes periods of abnormal weather events - all addressed and predicted by legitimate climate change science. Here's an example of this hateful freak on his radio show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFndkPStSNE Is this do-able without the boring ad-hominems? Can you point me to where the flatlining of temperatures in this century were predicted by your consensus of computer modellers? And predicted BEFORE the event and not after it?. Where did I say anything about flatlining of temperatures? I said that they predicted abnormal weather events. And I haven't seen *any* IPCC claims that temperatures would flatline. The consensus is that global temperatures are rising and that along with abnormal weather patterns, fluctuations in temperature along the way would be expected. flatline -intransitive verb 1 a: to register on an electronic monitor as having no brain waves or heartbeat b: die 2 a: to be in a state of no progress or advancement b: to come to an end (Quite why you should flirt so naively with the treacherous notion of consensus beats me. How did consensus fare in predicting the current economic situation? Empirical evidence trumps consensus any day.) A massive body of empirical evidence *is* the basis of the consensus within the vast 133 nation IPCC scientific community.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real climate deniers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: December 16, 2008 The Real Climate Deniers By Brian Sussman Last week, soon-to-be President Barack Obama met with former Vice President Al Gore to discuss global warming. In a brief presser following their closed-door rendezvous, Obama proclaimed, the time for denial is over. Sussman, a former TV weatherman and current fringe racist, right wing talk radio host and global warming denier doesn't seem to be able to grasp the concept that climate *change* includes periods of abnormal weather events - all addressed and predicted by legitimate climate change science. Here's an example of this hateful freak on his radio show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFndkPStSNE I agree that the white girl comment was over the line and, yes, racist. But what in the dickens does that have to do with climate change? Hitler was a racist and an anti-Semite (like you). Does that negate the fact that he was wrong about cigarette smoking, which he was against, and for vegetarianism, which he was for? It's interesting that you would take commentary of noted global warming denier, whom you just compared to Hitler, as a legitimate and reliable spokesperson. It characterizes the quality of the sources you have to rely on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's Delusions
Bhairitu wrote: We don't want any special treatment for Israel... Obama seems to agree with most of the western world that there should be a two-state solution, with the creation of 'Palestine'. But there's a problem: there's no such thing as 'Palestine'. If there was, then the Israelis could be termed 'Palestinians', since they live in Judea too. But the bottom line is this: What the Palestinians and most other Arabs really want is to wipe the Jewish state of Israel out of existence. Read more: From: Delia Subject: Re: For Muslim hater Delia Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Fri, Oct 31 2003 2:19 pm http://tinyurl.com/2vs7lq
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real climate deniers
John wrote: A massive body of empirical evidence *is* the basis of the consensus within the vast 133 nation IPCC scientific community... Is the 'Scientific Consensus' on Global Warming a myth? The scientists profiled are too eminent and their research too devastating to allow simplistic views of global warming--like Al Gore's--to survive. Is the earth really warming or is it beginning to cool? Read more: 'The Deniers' The World Renowned Scientists Who Stood Up Against Global Warming Hysteria, Political Persecution, and Fraud**And those who are too fearful to do so by Lawrence Solomon Vigilante Books, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5mq443 Energy probe: http://energy.probeinternational.org/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real climate deniers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: [snip] (Quite why you should flirt so naively with the treacherous notion of consensus beats me. How did consensus fare in predicting the current economic situation? Empirical evidence trumps consensus any day.) Consensus means that everyone gets to vote on scientific knowledge and if a majority agrees, then it becomes scientific fact. Which is another indication you don't have a clue how it's done - or that it's based on a massive body of empirical scientific evidence that all points to the same conclusions. For example, if we want the law of gravity to be suspended for all objects over 1,000 pounds (to make it easier to transport heavy objects so as to cut down costs) all we have to do is take a consensus and -- Voila! -- this will become the reality.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Introducing: Mac OS-X Vista!
The nice thing about Mac OS 10.5.x is that it has TimeMachine built in, which means when you have a problem, you just go back to the last copy before the update. I recently had a power spike that caused some problems. I just went back to my last saved version. Works for individual files and applications too. Need that old email you deleted 6 months ago?, open Mail and then launch TimeMachine and you can retrieve back as far as you've saved, quite easily. On Dec 16, 2008, at 3:51 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: http://tinyurl.com/6yrwl8 Mac OS X 10.5.6 Users Report Crashes, Blue Screens Support forums indicate that Apple's Leopard update is wreaking havoc on users' systems. By Paul McDougall, InformationWeek Dec. 16, 2008 Apple's latest update to its Leopard operating system, OS X 10.5.6, appears to be creating more problems than it's fixing on users' Macs. A day after the software was released via Apple's download service, users flooded the company's online support forum with hundreds of complaints about the upgrade. Most centered around OS freezes and so-called Blue Screens of Death. The latest version of Leopard (10.5.6) downloaded automatically via Software Update. However, when I attempted to install, the process hangs on 'configuring setup,' wrote a user logged in under the name Davald. I have owned dozens of Apple computers since my first purchase in 1977, and I also have the OS X 10.5.6 update problem, reported a user named Jim Needham. User 'Dr. Nick' said, Have to add that my iMac is playing up. Upgraded, and can't get past the screen where you type your password, the screen goes blue, and it cycles through a slightly different shade of blue to take me to the login screen again. Another, going by the online handle Xapplimatic, said his problems weren't limited to a single machine. All 7 of my Macs (Intel PPC) are all hung on the installation. None of them have gotten past configuring installation and it's been over an hour... I'm really worried, he wrote. Others reported that installation of the update caused problems with Bluetooth connections, the Safari Web browser, sound settings, energy-saving settings, and a host of other Mac features. Apple on Monday cautioned users to proceed cautiously with the update. You may experience unexpected results if you have third-party system software modifications installed, or if you have modified the operating system through other means, Apple said in a note on its Web site. Users could also have trouble if you have moved applications from their default locations, Apple said. The free download for existing Leopard users was supposed to offer a wealth of performance, convenience, and security updates. iChat users supposedly will see fixes for an issue that causes an encryption alert to appear in the chat window and for a glitch where users that set their status to invisible are automatically logged out of iChat. For gamers, the update includes modifications designed to improve performance of a number of games and fix image distortions that occur with some ATI graphics cards. Mail users should see a fix for a problem that causes messages identified as junk to remain in the inbox, while Mobile Me fans are supposed to get faster synching for contacts, calendars, and bookmark lists. Graphics pros will get improved performance with Adobe's C3 application suite, according to Apple. Mac OS X 10.5.6 is, among other things, also designed to improve performance and fix bugs in Apple's Time Machine archiving system, Safari Web browser, DVD Player, and TrackPad portable input system. Apple on its Web site has published a full list of the issues that the update is designed to address. Apple debuted OS X 10.5, or Leopard, last year. Its slick interface, along with some business-friendly security features, have helped Apple make inroads against Microsoft Windows in consumer and business computing markets. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real climate deniers
John wrote: Which is another indication you don't have a clue how it's done - or that it's based on a massive body of empirical scientific evidence that all points to the same conclusions. We are basing our decisions on speculation, not evidence. Proponents are pressing their views with more PR than scientific data. Indeed, we have allowed the whole issue to be politicizedred vs blue, Republican vs Democrat. This is in my view absurd. Data aren't political. Data are data. Politics leads you in the direction of a belief. Data, if you follow them, lead you to truth.' Read more: 'The case for skepticism on global warming' by Michael Crichton: http://tinyurl.com/5c9lmu
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real climate deniers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: December 16, 2008 The Real Climate Deniers By Brian Sussman Last week, soon-to-be President Barack Obama met with former Vice President Al Gore to discuss global warming. In a brief presser following their closed-door rendezvous, Obama proclaimed, the time for denial is over. Sussman, a former TV weatherman and current fringe racist, right wing talk radio host and global warming denier doesn't seem to be able to grasp the concept that climate *change* includes periods of abnormal weather events - all addressed and predicted by legitimate climate change science. Here's an example of this hateful freak on his radio show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFndkPStSNE Is this do-able without the boring ad-hominems? Can you point me to where the flatlining of temperatures in this century were predicted by your consensus of computer modellers? And predicted BEFORE the event and not after it?. Where did I say anything about flatlining of temperatures? I said that they predicted abnormal weather events. And I haven't seen *any* IPCC claims that temperatures would flatline. Quite right you didn't see the IPCC claiming that. And that's the problem! Are you not aware that in this century the global temperature has been steady rather than rising at an alarming rate? My question is, why didn't your UN experts see that coming if their theories are, as you seem to think, so rock solid and beyond question (except by perverted right wing nuts)? And.. Since when do we need a UN quango to arbitrate in scientific matters? Can we not establish the truth of ,say, Ohm's law without setting up an IPCC? Or IPEC - UN International Panel on Electrical Change? The reason is that it has become politics and not science. And Science is the big, big loser.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: A friend who was a TM'er but got a technique from the Muktananda group gave me and empowered booklet from Muktananda that had the Shiva mantra in it and I slowly replaced TM with that. My income improved and I in general felt better). It was far better to practice a technique I could be sure of than one I had a doubt about. That was in the early 1980's. Could you share with us this Shiva mantra?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Much later I made the acquaintance of an Indian tantric who has taught much about mantra shastra as well as very advanced and powerful techniques. These techniques make TM rather lightweight in comparison. So I still meditate but with other techniques and siddhis. TM and the TM-Siddhi program are supposed to (1) establish a person in Being, and (2) cultivate the ability to maintain that awareness in activity. Bhairitu, Barry and anyone else who's thinking of leaping into this thread, do your post-TM techniques aspire toward the same ends? Very much so. The difference is that the later techniques deliver.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real climate deniers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: December 16, 2008 The Real Climate Deniers By Brian Sussman Last week, soon-to-be President Barack Obama met with former Vice President Al Gore to discuss global warming. In a brief presser following their closed-door rendezvous, Obama proclaimed, the time for denial is over. Sussman, a former TV weatherman and current fringe racist, right wing talk radio host and global warming denier doesn't seem to be able to grasp the concept that climate *change* includes periods of abnormal weather events - all addressed and predicted by legitimate climate change science. Here's an example of this hateful freak on his radio show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFndkPStSNE Is this do-able without the boring ad-hominems? Can you point me to where the flatlining of temperatures in this century were predicted by your consensus of computer modellers? And predicted BEFORE the event and not after it?. Where did I say anything about flatlining of temperatures? I said that they predicted abnormal weather events. And I haven't seen *any* IPCC claims that temperatures would flatline. Quite right you didn't see the IPCC claiming that. And that's the problem! Are you not aware that in this century the global temperature has been steady rather than rising at an alarming rate? According to the massive body of empirical evidence from the IPCC, that statement is false. My question is, why didn't your UN experts see that coming if their theories are, as you seem to think, so rock solid and beyond question (except by perverted right wing nuts)? And.. Since when do we need a UN quango to arbitrate in scientific matters? Can we not establish the truth of ,say, Ohm's law without setting up an IPCC? Or IPEC - UN International Panel on Electrical Change? The reason is that it has become politics and not science. And Science is the big, big loser. You've drawn a false conclusion from a another false assertion. The IPCC based its consensus on a massive body of empirical evidence that all points in the same direction. It did not arbitrate scientific conclusions.
