[FairfieldLife] '2009= Change in Terrain'

[Robert]

http://eloheim.wordpress.com/2008/12/19/eloheim-3-spiritual-decisions/



  

[FairfieldLife] 'December Energy Into 2009'

[Robert]

http://eloheim.wordpress.com/2008/11/27/eloheim-energies-of-december-2008/


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM

[TurquoiseB]

Well said, Peter, and well thought out through. 
There is an element missing, however. How do
the people in the group react when the group, 
its  principles, its teachings, or its teacher 
are challenged? (And I pose this question with 
my experience with the Rama group as much in 
mind as my experience with TM).

In other words, I'm adding the notion of over-
identifying with the group to the mix. If a 
person tends to react *emotionally* to criticism
of the group, as if the criticism was of him or
her personally, then IMO that person has turned
the group they are part of into a cult.

It's not only does this person do everything 
the group or its leader or its dogma says, mind-
lessly? that determines its status as a cult
IMO. The additional factor is whether the group
actively fosters an *identification* with the
group and being a member of the group that is
unhealthy. I would say, having seen it often in
the world of business, that Microsoft qualifies
as a cult, because of the emotional (and often
angry and out-of-control) reaction of Microsoft
employees and fans when it or its products are
criticized. I would have to say the same thing 
about Apple, for the same reasons.

Again, as you said so well, not everyone who is
part of the group falls for this over-identification.
But if enough do so that people begin to perceive
an us vs. them mentality among a large percentage
of the group members, then IMO the group itself may
have strayed over the line into being a cult think-
ing enabler, if not being an actual cult.

The ability to identify with and feel empathy for
people *outside* the group is what determines more
than anything else whether a group has turned into
a cult and is fostering cult thinking. The more 
that members can identify with those who are not
part of the group, the less chance that they have
drifted into cult thinking. And conversely, the more
that they react emotionally to criticism or humor
aimed at the group, the greater the chance that they
have drifted into cult thinking. IMO, of course.

I post this because it covers the bases of a *type*
of cultist who doesn't really get involved with
the day-to-day operations of the group. They stay
somewhat separate, *so that* they can claim that 
they are not really part of the group, and thus 
preserve (in their own minds) their independence. 
But where the rubber meets the road is how they 
react when this group that they are independent 
from is challenged. If they become emotional and 
angry or insulting, then IMO they are bigger cultists 
than those who are high-ranking members of the group 
who *don't* over-react.

It's about *attachment* and *over-identification*,
not involvement on a day to day basis per se. One 
of these hangers on could be more attached than 
the actual priesthood of the group.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
 wrote:
 
 If the question is whether the TMO is a cult or not is too simple a 
 question. It makes it appear as if its an all or nothing question and 
 that doesn't reflect the broad experiential reality of people in 
 their various levels of involvement/identification with the TMO. For 
 some people the TMO functions as a cult in their life. By this I mean 
 they have very little independent thought outside of the conceptual 
 tools offered by the TMO. They conceptualize their experience through 
 these constructs. When something doesn't fit the constructs they also 
 have a means of dealing with it: unstressing, negativity. The 
 conceptual tool box becomes a dogma for them: it is solely a belief 
 system and not based on their personal experience. They are 
 emotionally repressed and intellectually inflexible because they have 
 traded their authentic experiencing for a system of 
 thoughts/concepts. This is one extreme. The opposite is someone who 
 does their program solely because of
   the experience they have. They have little or no investment in the 
 conceptual tools offered by the TMO as a personal identity. They use 
 any spiritual traditions' conceptual tools in a utilitarian manner to 
 conceptually elucidate their experiencing. Who said it is irrelevant. 
 Concepts only have value in their ability to intellectually clarify 
 authentic experiencing. There is very little if any blind belief in a 
 system of thoughts/constructs. They are not in a cult, although they 
 might be doing their program every day in the dome.

[FairfieldLife] The test we've been waiting for (Barack the Magic Negro song)

[TurquoiseB]

A few leftists are puffing up their we're so
affronted feathers over Chip Saltsman's Xmas
gift to other RNC members, a CD of parody music
that includes one song called Barack the Magic
Negro.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/rnc-candidate-distributes-controversial-obama-song-2008-12-26.html

In the past, some of our pseudo-feminists here
have claimed that supporters of Obama would be
as outraged over a racial slur aimed at him as
they are (or pretend to be) about so-called 
gender slurs aimed at Hillary. Well, we're 
about to find out.

It's possible that they are correct. Political
groupies almost always tend to be more stupid 
and less in control of their emotions than the
politicians they're groupie-ing for. And so it's
possible that a few haters on the left or in
the Democratic Party will try to turn this into 
a way to promote hate towards those on the right
or in the Republican Party. And if they do, that
will just be business as usual, and as stupid IMO
when they do it as the misogyny card rants
were when Hillary supporters played them.

But the key issue will be how Obama himself will
react, if he is forced by someone in the press
to do so. My bet is that he'll laugh it off and
tell people to GET OVER IT. That's what a 
real leader would do, and would encourage in 
his groupies. 

Only a loser would allow their groupies to not 
only get outraged over a silly affront, but to 
hang onto that outrage for months as if it were 
some kind of Big Deal. To do so would only get 
in the way of the big things they hoped to 
accomplish.

[FairfieldLife] Please don't divorce us slide show

[TurquoiseB]

In the spirit of Harvey Milk (and with a bust
of him present in one of the photos), here's
an interesting attempt to put human faces on
the attempts by Prop 8 supporters to nullify
same-sex marriages performed before it passed.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/couragecampaign/sets/72157611501972510/show/

These are just couples, and families, just 
like yours.

Get over the hate. It's not attractive.

[FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM

[TurquoiseB]

Tom the Dancing Bug's take on cult thinking
and how it develops:

http://www.salon.com/comics/boll/2008/12/25/boll/index.html

It starts small, with attempts to change the
language of mere belief into the language of
certainty or truth. This is followed up by
attempts to prove the truth. But in the end
it's still about belief.

[FairfieldLife] The secret of effective signage

[TurquoiseB]

Being able to visualize the results of ignoring the sign:

http://www.latimes.com/la-yourscene-bestof08-pg,0,6463826.photogallery?index=39

[FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 Well said, Peter, and well thought out through. 
 There is an element missing, however. How do
 the people in the group react when the group, 
 its  principles, its teachings, or its teacher 
 are challenged? (And I pose this question with 
 my experience with the Rama group as much in 
 mind as my experience with TM).
 
 In other words, I'm adding the notion of over-
 identifying with the group to the mix. If a 
 person tends to react *emotionally* to criticism
 of the group, as if the criticism was of him or
 her personally, then IMO that person has turned
 the group they are part of into a cult.
 
 It's not only does this person do everything 
 the group or its leader or its dogma says, mind-
 lessly? that determines its status as a cult
 IMO. The additional factor is whether the group
 actively fosters an *identification* with the
 group and being a member of the group that is
 unhealthy. I would say, having seen it often in
 the world of business, that Microsoft qualifies
 as a cult, because of the emotional (and often
 angry and out-of-control) reaction of Microsoft
 employees and fans when it or its products are
 criticized. I would have to say the same thing 
 about Apple, for the same reasons.
 
 Again, as you said so well, not everyone who is
 part of the group falls for this over-identification.
 But if enough do so that people begin to perceive
 an us vs. them mentality among a large percentage
 of the group members, then IMO the group itself may
 have strayed over the line into being a cult think-
 ing enabler, if not being an actual cult.
 
 The ability to identify with and feel empathy for
 people *outside* the group is what determines more
 than anything else whether a group has turned into
 a cult and is fostering cult thinking. The more 
 that members can identify with those who are not
 part of the group, the less chance that they have
 drifted into cult thinking. And conversely, the more
 that they react emotionally to criticism or humor
 aimed at the group, the greater the chance that they
 have drifted into cult thinking. IMO, of course.
 
 I post this because it covers the bases of a *type*
 of cultist who doesn't really get involved with
 the day-to-day operations of the group. They stay
 somewhat separate, *so that* they can claim that 
 they are not really part of the group, and thus 
 preserve (in their own minds) their independence. 
 But where the rubber meets the road is how they 
 react when this group that they are independent 
 from is challenged. If they become emotional and 
 angry or insulting, then IMO they are bigger cultists 
 than those who are high-ranking members of the group 
 who *don't* over-react.
 
 It's about *attachment* and *over-identification*,
 not involvement on a day to day basis per se. One 
 of these hangers on could be more attached than 
 the actual priesthood of the group.

THis is from vague memory. PRhaps from this gorup or another:

There once was a man who hated Lord SHiva. His hatred knew
no bounds. Eery day he woiuld trek to the shrine, wend his way to the 
front of the worshippers and spit. Then walk off. 

This went on for years. One day, during monsoon season, the rains
were so terrible that no-one came to the shrine, except that man.
As always,  he walked to the front and spit. As he turned to walk away,
Lord SHiva himself appeared and offered to grant any boon.

WHy, asked the man, since you know how I feel about you, do you
do such a thing?

Because, replied Shiva, of all My followers, thou art the most faithful.


It's not just the hangers on that can make a cult of something...


He/she who has ears, let him/her hear.




L.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Biohacking

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote:

 Wow, here's a great scenario for a sci-fi movie:
 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28390773/
 
 Countries race against time to save the planet as little 
 Jimmy's biohack experiment threatens to wipe out life on 
 Earth.

This is *far* more possible than one might
imagine, and interestingly enough, the possible
victims of such hack experiments might start with
the hackers themselves, or those who share their
gene pool.

When I lived in Santa Fe, I had a good friend 
who worked up at Sandia National Labs in Los
Alamos. He resigned and went whistleblower
when they tried to move him from his old research
position working on non-lethal weaponry to a new
multi-billion-dollar bioweapons lab started in
response to 9/11.

He pointed out in his exposes that 1) the Federal
government was throwing billions of dollars of
bioweapons funding at the *same* group of scientists
who had the *worst* record of handling nuclear mat-
erials in the entire country. They were about to
turn over the control of this new bioweapons facility
to people who had racked up more nuclear spills than
the rest of labs and private nuclear facilities in
the U.S. *combined*. His second point was the stated
goal of this new lab, which was 2) to develop viruses
and deadly bacterial agents that targeted specific
genetic groups. In other words, they were supposed
to develop viruses that killed only Chinese, or only
Arabs.

And third, and why this rap is relevant to the amateur
hackers, this fellow pointed out that 3) with sloppy
lab procedures and lack of proper controls, historically
there was a tendency for the gene pool of the *researchers*
themselves to contaminate the materials they were exper-
imenting with. Thus a team of sloppy caucasian researchers
would tend to contaminate the viruses they were working
with such that the result would kill *caucasians* just
like themselves.

That is what could happen with these biohackers. Working
in their kitchens with sloppy controls, they could easily
taint the things they were working on with genetic mat-
erials that would make them deadly to themselves, or
to those who shared their genetic background.

I agree that this scenario would make for compelling
fiction. Sadly, it's not fiction.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM

[Peter]

--- On Sat, 12/27/08, sparaig lengli...@cox.net wrote:

snip

 
 THis is from vague memory. PRhaps from this gorup or
 another:
 
 There once was a man who hated Lord SHiva. His hatred knew
 no bounds. Eery day he woiuld trek to the shrine, wend his
 way to the 
 front of the worshippers and spit. Then walk off. 
 
 This went on for years. One day, during monsoon season, the
 rains
 were so terrible that no-one came to the shrine, except
 that man.
 As always,  he walked to the front and spit. As he turned
 to walk away,
 Lord SHiva himself appeared and offered to grant any boon.
 
 WHy, asked the man, since you know how I
 feel about you, do you
 do such a thing?
 
 Because, replied Shiva, of all My
 followers, thou art the most faithful.
 
 
 It's not just the hangers on that can make a cult of
 something...
 
 
 He/she who has ears, let him/her hear.

Deep love or deep hatred are attachments that can lead to transcendence 
depending upon whom or what one is attached to. MMY said once that you can 
either hate or love your master. But then he added it was probably better to 
love your master because then you would do what he said.




 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Pink Floyd Shine On You Crazy Diamond Syd Barrett Tribute

[do.rflex]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyqgjCKm9nQfeature=related

[FairfieldLife] Funny Signs (was Re: The secret of effective signage)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 Being able to visualize the results of ignoring the sign:
 

http://www.latimes.com/la-yourscene-bestof08-pg,0,6463826.photogallery?index=39

When I lived in Toronto, there was a bookstore
along Yonge Street that had a sign posted that
I never forgot. It said:

Shoplifters will be apprehended, dragged
out into the alley, beaten senseless, and
left to die in a pool of blood.

A year before posting the sign, they lost half
of their yearly profit to shoplifting. A year
after posting the sign, they had experienced 
zero loss from shoplifting.  

Some pretty classic Funny Signs here:

http://www.funnysign.com/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM

[Peter]

--- On Sat, 12/27/08, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 5:03 AM
 Well said, Peter, and well thought out through. 
 There is an element missing, however. How do
 the people in the group react when the group, 
 its  principles, its teachings, or its teacher 
 are challenged? (And I pose this question with 
 my experience with the Rama group as much in 
 mind as my experience with TM).
 
 In other words, I'm adding the notion of over-
 identifying with the group to the mix. If a 
 person tends to react *emotionally* to criticism
 of the group, as if the criticism was of him or
 her personally, then IMO that person has turned
 the group they are part of into a cult.

Agreed. With identification/attachment comes a defense of whom or what one is 
invested in. Its automatic. But again, its not all or nothing, there are 
degrees of defensiveness. Thirty years ago I'd defend MMY and the TMO almost 
like a rabid dog. Now, I'd listen to the person and probably agree with most of 
what they said as long as they were speaking from their authentic experience. 
Rabidly hating the TMO and MMY is just as invested/attached/identified as 
rabidly loving it. 


 It's not only does this person do everything 
 the group or its leader or its dogma says, mind-
 lessly? that determines its status as a cult
 IMO. The additional factor is whether the group
 actively fosters an *identification* with the
 group and being a member of the group that is
 unhealthy. I would say, having seen it often in
 the world of business, that Microsoft qualifies
 as a cult, because of the emotional (and often
 angry and out-of-control) reaction of Microsoft
 employees and fans when it or its products are
 criticized. I would have to say the same thing 
 about Apple, for the same reasons.

Agreed. Some groups make it very easy to have a cult relationship with them, 
and some make it more difficult. Some foster this relationship deliberately and 
some are more innocent. For the most part the TMO is on the more innocent side 
of this scale, but when they want a donation or want you to do something they 
can ramp-up the cult mechanics to manipulate you to comply. But again, I don't 
see this as insidious on their part. Someone with a huge psychological 
investment in the group is speaking out of that investment to fan-the-flames of 
the lessor invested ones.


 Again, as you said so well, not everyone who is
 part of the group falls for this over-identification.
 But if enough do so that people begin to perceive
 an us vs. them mentality among a large
 percentage
 of the group members, then IMO the group itself may
 have strayed over the line into being a cult think-
 ing enabler, if not being an actual cult.

Sure. But, IMHO, cults are matters of degree, not all or nothing. I can't 
imagine a group that does not foster a cult mentality to some degree. It 
seems like we humans, with our biologically driven need to form social 
relationships, are susceptible to a group identity. Social psychology talks 
about this, especially Solomon Asch's research on conformity and Stanley 
Milgram's research on obedience.


 The ability to identify with and feel empathy for
 people *outside* the group is what determines more
 than anything else whether a group has turned into
 a cult and is fostering cult thinking. The more 
 that members can identify with those who are not
 part of the group, the less chance that they have
 drifted into cult thinking. And conversely, the more
 that they react emotionally to criticism or humor
 aimed at the group, the greater the chance that they
 have drifted into cult thinking. IMO, of course.

Excellent point, but so few with any degree of group identity can authentically 
do this. For example, the Christain elderly woman who lives next door to me 
is really bothered that I attended an Episcopal church. She's constantly giving 
me and my wife CD's with fundamentalist lectures from her pastor basically 
telling me that I'm wrong and how only members of her denomination will be 
saved. Hmmm, probably best for her not to see my puja table with pictures of 
Ramana Maharishi, Anandamoi-Ma, Buddha, Krishna, Shiva, Christ SSRS, MMY and 
Guru Dev on it!

I think a true test of cult-freeness would be how much do you see others as 
the same as you and not as other. What you have done to the least of these 
creatures, you have also done unto me. 


 I post this because it covers the bases of a *type*
 of cultist who doesn't really get involved
 with
 the day-to-day operations of the group. They stay
 somewhat separate, *so that* they can claim that 
 they are not really part of the group, and thus 
 preserve (in their own minds) their
 independence. 
 But where the rubber meets the road is how they 
 react when this group that they are independent
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote:

 --- On Sat, 12/27/08, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
  From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 5:03 AM
  Well said, Peter, and well thought out through. 
  There is an element missing, however. How do
  the people in the group react when the group, 
  its  principles, its teachings, or its teacher 
  are challenged? (And I pose this question with 
  my experience with the Rama group as much in 
  mind as my experience with TM).
  
  In other words, I'm adding the notion of over-
  identifying with the group to the mix. If a 
  person tends to react *emotionally* to criticism
  of the group, as if the criticism was of him or
  her personally, then IMO that person has turned
  the group they are part of into a cult.
 
 Agreed. With identification/attachment comes a defense of 
 whom or what one is invested in. Its automatic. But again, 
 its not all or nothing, there are degrees of defensiveness. 
 Thirty years ago I'd defend MMY and the TMO almost like a 
 rabid dog. Now, I'd listen to the person and probably agree 
 with most of what they said as long as they were speaking 
 from their authentic experience. Rabidly hating the TMO 
 and MMY is just as invested/attached/identified as rabidly 
 loving it. 

While I agree 100% with your last sentence,
I should point out that claiming that's what
critics of a group are really doing when
they criticize the group is a classic cult
technique in itself.

It's a variant of the They're just jealous
that they're not still with us manipulation
technique in that the target audience for the
claim is current members of the group, not 
those outside the group. 

[FairfieldLife] Shoplifting Dog caught on tape

[do.rflex]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PXJVkII-3g 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM

[Peter]

--- On Sat, 12/27/08, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 9:01 AM
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
 drpetersutp...@... wrote:
 
  --- On Sat, 12/27/08, TurquoiseB
 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
  
   From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES
 ON THE TM PROGRAM
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 5:03 AM
   Well said, Peter, and well thought out through. 
   There is an element missing, however. How do
   the people in the group react when the group, 
   its  principles, its teachings, or its teacher 
   are challenged? (And I pose this question with 
   my experience with the Rama group as much in 
   mind as my experience with TM).
   
   In other words, I'm adding the notion of
 over-
   identifying with the group to the mix. If a
 
   person tends to react *emotionally* to criticism
   of the group, as if the criticism was of him or
   her personally, then IMO that person has turned
   the group they are part of into a cult.
  
  Agreed. With identification/attachment comes a defense
 of 
  whom or what one is invested in. Its automatic. But
 again, 
  its not all or nothing, there are degrees of
 defensiveness. 
  Thirty years ago I'd defend MMY and the TMO almost
 like a 
  rabid dog. Now, I'd listen to the person and
 probably agree 
  with most of what they said as long as they were
 speaking 
  from their authentic experience. Rabidly hating the
 TMO 
  and MMY is just as invested/attached/identified as
 rabidly 
  loving it. 
 
 While I agree 100% with your last sentence,
 I should point out that claiming that's what
 critics of a group are really doing when
 they criticize the group is a classic cult
 technique in itself.
 
 It's a variant of the They're just jealous
 that they're not still with us manipulation
 technique in that the target audience for the
 claim is current members of the group, not 
 those outside the group.

They actually could have a point, but its being made in an inauthentic 
argument. If someone didn't have an attachment to a group identity, why would 
they endlessly criticize that group? They find a degree of value in the group 
identity, but they also find problems. They want the group identity, but 
without the problems. Like fag-bashers If you didn't have some sort of 
negative identity with being gay, why would you attack perfect strangers who 
you think are gay? So there is some legitimacy to the cultists claim.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The test we've been waiting for (Barack the Magic Negro song)

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 A few leftists are puffing up their we're so
 affronted feathers over Chip Saltsman's Xmas
 gift to other RNC members, a CD of parody music
 that includes one song called Barack the Magic
 Negro.
 

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/rnc-candidate-distributes-controversial-obama-song-2008-12-26.html
 
 In the past, some of our pseudo-feminists here
 have claimed that supporters of Obama would be
 as outraged over a racial slur aimed at him as
 they are (or pretend to be) about so-called 
 gender slurs aimed at Hillary. Well, we're 
 about to find out.

One thing to keep in mind is that David Ehrenstein, the guy who
originated the Barack the Magic Negro meme, is an African-American.

[FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote:

 --- On Sat, 12/27/08, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
   Rabidly hating the TMO and MMY is just as invested/
   attached/identified as rabidly loving it. 
  
  While I agree 100% with your last sentence,
  I should point out that claiming that's what
  critics of a group are really doing when
  they criticize the group is a classic cult
  technique in itself.
  
  It's a variant of the They're just jealous
  that they're not still with us manipulation
  technique in that the target audience for the
  claim is current members of the group, not 
  those outside the group.
 
 They actually could have a point, but its being made in an 
 inauthentic argument. 

And often without basis. Who here could
legitimately be characterized as rabidly
hating the TMO and Maharishi? I don't 
know of anyone here who could. But I know
of quite a few who have been accused of it.

 If someone didn't have an attachment to a group identity, 
 why would they endlessly criticize that group? 

Speaking of inauthentic arguments, Pete,
this is one. I'm not gay, but I find myself
being an active voice in criticizing the
haters who sponsored Proposition 8 and now
want to nullify same-sex marriages in CA.
I will criticize these assholes no end, but
I was never a part of the group they're
trying to take rights away from. Similarly,
there are some who criticize poor behavior
in spiritual groups because it's there and
shouldn't be, not because they were ever 
part of the group.

 They find a degree of value in the group identity, but 
 they also find problems. They want the group identity, 
 but without the problems. 

In all honesty, the only person I can think
of on this forum who falls into this category
is Nabby. We all suspect that he wouldn't be 
allowed within a mile of a real TM facility,
but he'd still like to be perceived as an
on-the-program TMer.

[FairfieldLife] Heaven for the Godless? 'Of course' say Americans

[do.rflex]

In June, the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life published a
controversial survey in which 70 percent of Americans said that they
believed religions other than theirs could lead to eternal life.

This threw evangelicals into a tizzy. After all, the Bible makes it
clear that heaven is a velvet-roped V.I.P. area reserved for
Christians. Jesus said so: I am the way, the truth and the life: no
man cometh unto the Father, but by me. But the survey suggested that
Americans just weren't buying that.

The evangelicals complained that people must not have understood the
question. The respondents couldn't actually believe what they were
saying, could they?

So in August, Pew asked the question again. (They released the results
last week.) Sixty-five percent of respondents said — again — that
other religions could lead to eternal life. But this time, to clear up
any confusion, Pew asked them to specify which religions. The
respondents essentially said all of them.

And they didn't stop there. Nearly half also thought that atheists
could go to heaven — dragged there kicking and screaming, no doubt —
and most thought that people with no religious faith also could go.

What on earth does this mean?

One very plausible explanation is that Americans just want good things
to come to good people, regardless of their faith. As Alan Segal, a
professor of religion at Barnard College told me: We are a
multicultural society, and people expect this American life to
continue the same way in heaven.

He explained that in our society, we meet so many good people of
different faiths that it's hard for us to imagine God letting them go
to hell. In fact, in the most recent survey, Pew asked people what
they thought determined whether a person would achieve eternal life.
Nearly as many Christians said you could achieve eternal life by just
being a good person as said that you had to believe in Jesus.

Also, many Christians apparently view their didactic text as flexible.

According to Pew's August survey, only 39 percent of Christians
believe that the Bible is the literal word of God, and 18 percent
think that it's just a book written by men and not the word of God at
all. In fact, on the question in the Pew survey about what it would
take to achieve eternal life, only 1 percent of Christians said living
life in accordance with the Bible.

Now, there remains the possibility that some of those polled may not
have understood the implications of their answers. As John Green, a
senior fellow at the Pew Forum, said, The capacity of ignorance to
influence survey outcomes should never be underestimated. But I don't
think that they are ignorant about this most basic tenet of their
faith. I think that they are choosing to ignore it ... for goodness sake.

~~Charles M Blow, New York Times - December 26, 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/27/opinion/27blow.html?_r=2ref=opinion


Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life - Survey here (pdf):
http://pewforum.org/newassets/images/reports/life/eternal-life-topline.pdf

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[Richard J. Williams]

There seems to be another 'glitch' in the 
FFL Post Counter. I wonder what's up with
that? Who cares?

Maybe we should just drop the counting rule 
- that's my vote. We need to have more posts 
by Barry and Judy - that seems to be the 
only interesting thing to read around here 
anymore. 

Apparently almost everyone here now is a 
troll, of one sort or another - hardly 
anyone seems to be able to carry on an 
extended dialog or conversation for longer 
than a few minutes a day. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The test we've been waiting for (Barack the Magic Negro song)

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stan...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  A few leftists are puffing up their we're so
  affronted feathers over Chip Saltsman's Xmas
  gift to other RNC members, a CD of parody music
  that includes one song called Barack the Magic
  Negro.
  
 

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/rnc-candidate-distributes-controversial-obama-song-2008-12-26.html
  
  In the past, some of our pseudo-feminists here
  have claimed that supporters of Obama would be
  as outraged over a racial slur aimed at him as
  they are (or pretend to be) about so-called 
  gender slurs aimed at Hillary. Well, we're 
  about to find out.
 
 One thing to keep in mind is that David Ehrenstein, the guy who
 originated the Barack the Magic Negro meme, is an African-American.


He's African-American but he did not originate the meme. Here are his
own words:

---The Magic Negro is a figure of postmodern folk culture, coined by
snarky 20th century sociologists, to explain a cultural figure who
emerged in the wake of Brown vs. Board of Education. He has no past,
he simply appears one day to help the white protagonist, reads the
description on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro .

He's there to assuage white guilt (i.e., the minimal discomfort they
feel) over the role of slavery and racial segregation in American
history, while replacing stereotypes of a dangerous, highly sexualized
black man with a benign figure for whom interracial sexual congress
holds no interest.

~~  David Ehrenstein, LA Times, March 19, 2007
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven for the Godless? 'Of course' say Americans

[Richard J. Williams]

John posted:
Nearly as many Christians said you could 
achieve eternal life by just being a good 
person as said that you had to believe in 
Jesus.

This doesn't even make any sense, John. Why
can't TMers have eternal life? 

From: John Manning 
Subject: Buying a stairway to heaven 
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: 2002-05-14 16:03:57 PST  

If there really was something like Sodom and 
Gomorrah (I really don't know), it represents 
to me, a metaphor of the spiritual emptiness 
of Maharishi and his agenda. And will reap, 
spiritually, the same results.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM

[Sal Sunshine]

On Dec 27, 2008, at 6:22 AM, sparaig wrote:

 THis is from vague memory. PRhaps from this gorup or another:

 There once was a man who hated Lord SHiva. His hatred knew
 no bounds. Eery day he woiuld trek to the shrine, wend his way to the
 front of the worshippers and spit. Then walk off.

 This went on for years. One day, during monsoon season, the rains
 were so terrible that no-one came to the shrine, except that man.
 As always,  he walked to the front and spit. As he turned to walk  
 away,
 Lord SHiva himself appeared and offered to grant any boon.

 WHy, asked the man, since you know how I feel about you, do you
 do such a thing?

 Because, replied Shiva, of all My followers, thou art the most  
 faithful.


 It's not just the hangers on that can make a cult of something...

He/she who has ears, let him/her hear.

Great story!

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rishikesh + sexy sadie

[dhamiltony2k5]

Was this a trip or an eye-witness account?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ysoy10li ysoy1...@... wrote:

 just saw this. What a trip !!
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYyTsi3By5w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Funny Signs (was Re: The secret of effective signage)

[Sal Sunshine]

On Dec 27, 2008, at 7:31 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 When I lived in Toronto, there was a bookstore
 along Yonge Street that had a sign posted that
 I never forgot. It said:

 Shoplifters will be apprehended, dragged
 out into the alley, beaten senseless, and
 left to die in a pool of blood.

 A year before posting the sign, they lost half
 of their yearly profit to shoplifting. A year
 after posting the sign, they had experienced
 zero loss from shoplifting.

Sign on a restaurant in Mexico frequented by tourists:

Broken English spoken perfectly.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: The test we've been waiting for (Barack the Magic Negro song)

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
 j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  
   A few leftists are puffing up their we're so
   affronted feathers over Chip Saltsman's Xmas
   gift to other RNC members, a CD of parody music
   that includes one song called Barack the Magic
   Negro.
   
  
 

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/rnc-candidate-distributes-controversial-obama-song-2008-12-26.html
   
   In the past, some of our pseudo-feminists here
   have claimed that supporters of Obama would be
   as outraged over a racial slur aimed at him as
   they are (or pretend to be) about so-called 
   gender slurs aimed at Hillary. Well, we're 
   about to find out.
  
  One thing to keep in mind is that David Ehrenstein, the guy who
  originated the Barack the Magic Negro meme, is an African-American.
 
 
 He's African-American but he did not originate the meme.

I didn't say he originated the Magic Negro meme. I was referring
specifically to Magic Negro as applied to Barack Obama, which the
Limbaugh crowd did, in fact, pick up from David Ehrenstein.

[FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM

[Richard J. Williams]

Peter wrote:
 Deep love or deep hatred are attachments that 
 can lead to transcendence depending upon whom 
 or what one is attached to. 

This doesn't even make any sense. How can an
'attachment' lead to transcendence? Anytime
that you have an attachment, you're that much
further from *isolating* the Purusha, the goal
of Yoga. 

If TMers were attached to their bija mantra, 
then they could never go beyond sense 
perception. The idea behing Yoga is to get 
burn off all attachments, including love and 
hate, to get rid of the samskaras.

You are not going to get anymore enlightenment
than you are going to get, so just stop all
the striving - don't become attached and 
identify with the prakriti - you need to 
isolate the Transcendental Person.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'How to trip up the ego...'

[Duveyoung]

Robert,

Can you put the below into your own words?  I'm betting you can't.

Reason being:  my experience with words like the below is that no one
really understands them without a tremendous amount of
extra-thinking about them.  If one doesn't dwell upon them for perhaps
dozens of iterations, the truths that the words are attempting to
target simply cannot be significantly experienced by the reader's
mind.  The below hardly even comes up to the status of poetry spouted
by a palm reader -- it can be interpreted many ways, and the listener
is encouraged to cherry pick a meaning out of a fuzzy construct, and
thus, the meaning comes from the reader not the writer in a Rorschach
projection.  

So, I ask why you posted this.  I'm willing to bet you don't know what
it meant to Abraham, or, for that matter, to yourself, or, even if it
really has any congruency with reality's dynamics. A one-time reading
of the below is absolutely certain to be of close to zero-significance
for almost all readers.  Only those on the precipice of an epiphany,
or the enlightened, or those willing to read and dwell upon the words
have any hope of garnering the least nugget of truth from the
belowand I would say such folks would be exceedingly rare, and,
able to get far deeper clarity from a million other spiritual messages
from other sources. Clarity means ability to place one's attention
on a precise spiritual axiom.

Thus I ask again, why post this?  It seems to be mere excelsior at
best and an attempt to inculcate in the reader an irritating psychic
urge that is doomed to be unrequited. In fact, it's just drivel --
even low class goofyassed drivel -- and poorly constructed by any
educational standard one could apply to it. 

Only the rarest of folks can use this kind of challenge, and the rest
of them, well, it comes off as you trying to put lipstick on the pig.
 It's like getting a Jesus loves you spam from your evangelical
relatives.

If I'm too hard on you, and you're just tossing things out to see if
anything gets one of us stimulated to react, well, don't count my
reaction as a reaction except as a thorn to remove a thorn.  Anyone
here can google spiritual and cut and paste from an infinity of
quotes from an infinity of gurus, and most of the quotes will come off
as far clearer than the mishmash below, yet, most of them will, too,
be of little use to any mind's advancement in clarity about the truths
the below embarrassingly diddles with.  

So why did you post this?  Do you expect others to be grateful,
instructed, moved deeply into a profound intellectual reverie? What?

Expecting no reply here, but if you do, please immediately tell me
what non-physical energy is.

Words, any of them, are bullets shot within a perfectly dark room in
an attempt to hit the light switch.

Yeah, I'm using words heresigh.

Edg


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote:

 Abraham on the Ego 
 
  
 ...your Ego is not a problem , in fact your Ego is essential to your
 fulfilling of your reason for being here. Because what we would
 describe your ego as, is as this physical countenance or ability to
 perceive.
 
 Your ego is your physical focusser and if you did not have this
 egotistical ability to focus, then you would not be of any advantage
 to the non-physical energy.
 
 So it is not having the Ego that is the problem its using the Ego to
 EXCLUDE that is the problem.
 
 It is using the Ego to talk about what you DON'T WANT. If you were
 an egotistical being talking about what you DO WANT purely you would
 stay in sync with that non-physical energy and you would fulfil your
 reason for being.
 
 Abraham-Hicks tape G-5-18-96

[FairfieldLife] Re: Navel Chakra

[Richard J. Williams]

John_jr_esq wrote:
 Patanjali mentioned that one can gain 
 a siddhi relating to the organization 
 of the body when one concentrates on 
 the navel chakra. 

Did Patanjali have anything to say about 
the 'chakras' - the hatha yoga came maybe
hundreds of years after Patanjali wrote
out the Yoga Sutras.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The test we've been waiting for (Barack the Magic Negro song)

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 A few leftists are puffing up their we're so
 affronted feathers over Chip Saltsman's Xmas
 gift to other RNC members, a CD of parody music
 that includes one song called Barack the Magic
 Negro.


Enjoy..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37V3fhV4vmw

[FairfieldLife] Re: The test we've been waiting for (Barack the Magic Negro song)

[raunchydog]

Act 3 Final Scene: Barry and Barack are having tea in the in the Rose
Garden:

Barry: Barack, didn't you just love that puffy little tune Barack the
Magic Negro? 

Obama: Yeah, right Barry. I'll blow it off in public but Mano a Mano
you need a whoopin, you insensitive twit.

Barry:  Come on Barack, get over yourself, you have a country in deep
doo-do and you can't possibly waste time feeling offended by a silly song.

Secrete Service Guy: Is the little guy in pink pajamas bothering you, Sir?

Barack: Get this jackass out of here.

A minor scuffle ensues as four big guys in suits move in on Barry. 
The stage goes dark.  The next morning Barack is on the phone sitting
behind his desk in the Oval Office.

Barack: Yes, that's right CENTCOM has full authority to make things go
puff No, you gotta be kidding. Really? Limbaugh retired? Who's his
replacement? Really? Yeah, it figures. We just threw his ass out of
here yesterday. 

If Barry thinks Obama should just laugh off Barack the Magic Dragon
he is in perfect simpatico with wing-nut dunderheads like Rush
Limbaugh who thinks he can get away with insulting a person for his
race under the banner of free speech. The people who are scrambling to
get a copy of We Hate America fear and hate an imagined America of
the future where white folks are in the minority. 

In the name of political correctness, these are just a few once
popular icons in the arts and the American lexicon now in the in the
trash bin of history for content considered controversial or offensive
to people of color:

Disney's Song of the South http://tinyurl.com/ym9l6d

…Based on the Uncle Remus cycle of stories by Joel Chandler Harris.
... Uncle Remus relates the folk tales of the adventures of Br'er
Rabbit and his friends…The film has never been released in its
entirety on home video in the USA[3] because of content which Disney
executives believe would be construed by some as racially insensitive
towards blacks…

Little Black Sambo http://tinyurl.com/y533gs

The book has a controversial history. The original illustrations by
Bannerman showed a caricatured Southern Indian or Tamil child. The
story may have contributed to the use of the word sambo as a racial
slur. The book's success led to many pirated, inexpensive, widely
available versions that incorporated popular stereotypes of black
people. In 1932 Langston Hughes criticised Little Black Sambo as a
typical pickaninny storybook which was hurtful to black children,
and gradually the book disappeared from lists of recommended stories
for children. 

Stepin Fetchit http://tinyurl.com/3d67h8

The prototypical movie coon was Stepin Fetchit, the slow-talking,
slow-walking, self-demeaning nitwit. It took his character almost a
minute to say: I'se be catchin' ma feets nah, Boss. Donald Bogle, a
cinema historian, lambasted the coon, as played by Stepin Fetchit and
others.

Blackface http://tinyurl.com/b2ju4

Stereotypes embodied in the stock characters of blackface minstrelsy
played a significant role in cementing and proliferating racist
images, attitudes and perceptions worldwide. In some quarters, the
caricatures that were the legacy of blackface persist to the present
day and are a cause of ongoing controversy.

Barack the Magic Negro http://tinyurl.com/8yso6t

Barack Gets It Right on Limbaugh's Parody by Karen Russell

Karen writes Obama is a class act for blowing off the parody, but
doesn't ignore the fact that Limbaugh's intention was to malign Obama
for his race and puts it in historical context by reminding us of the
racist attacks on Lincoln.

When I first read about Limbaugh's Halfrican American slur, I was
reminded of the slurs lobbed at President Abraham Lincoln. His
opponents tried to smear him by calling him Abraham Africanis and
implying that a vote for Lincoln was a vote for miscegenation.

Just because Obama blows off a racial attack, doesn't mean it's
acceptable. He had no choice in the matter.  But doing so gives people
like people Limbaugh permission to launch another attack like We Hate
America. The RNC couldn't have picked a better name as an example of
pure projection, Barry's forté.

raunchydog

[FairfieldLife] Re: The test we've been waiting for (Barack the Magic Negro song)

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  A few leftists are puffing up their we're so
  affronted feathers over Chip Saltsman's Xmas
  gift to other RNC members, a CD of parody music
  that includes one song called Barack the Magic
  Negro.
 
 
 Enjoy..
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37V3fhV4vmw


Tacit racism along with being a homophobic bigot. Impressive, Billy G.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Please don't divorce us slide show

[Richard J. Williams]

TurquoiseB wrote:
 In the spirit of Harvey Milk (and with a bust
 of him present in one of the photos), here's
 an interesting attempt to put human faces on
 the attempts by Prop 8 supporters to nullify
 same-sex marriages performed before it passed.
 
 Get over the hate. It's not attractive.

Just one minute - isn't Barak Obama opposed to 
same-sex marriages? You apparently voted for 
Obama. Judy says Obama does not agree with Prop 
8 - so is Obama going to 'roll back' the Defense 
of Marriage Act? How is he going to do that?
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/couragecampaign/sets/72157611501972510/sh
ow/
 
 These are just couples, and families, just 
 like yours.

No, Barry, I already told you, I'm not gay.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'How to trip up the ego...'

[enlightened_dawn11]

its a good quote-- what it means is that the state of natural grace 
is one of not resisting, of acceptance, and in order to live in that 
state requires an ego, a sense of self, an enjoyment of ourselves as 
individuals. However, this sense of ourselves can also be used prior 
to living this state of grace, to exclude ourselves from that which 
may be helpful.

not a bad quote, though it is vague with regards to any sort of 
guideline on how to act without getting in our own way. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote:

 Robert,
 
 Can you put the below into your own words?  I'm betting you can't.
 
 Reason being:  my experience with words like the below is that no 
one
 really understands them without a tremendous amount of
 extra-thinking about them.  If one doesn't dwell upon them for 
perhaps
 dozens of iterations, the truths that the words are attempting to
 target simply cannot be significantly experienced by the reader's
 mind.  The below hardly even comes up to the status of poetry 
spouted
 by a palm reader -- it can be interpreted many ways, and the 
listener
 is encouraged to cherry pick a meaning out of a fuzzy construct, 
and
 thus, the meaning comes from the reader not the writer in a 
Rorschach
 projection.  
 
 So, I ask why you posted this.  I'm willing to bet you don't know 
what
 it meant to Abraham, or, for that matter, to yourself, or, even if 
it
 really has any congruency with reality's dynamics. A one-time 
reading
 of the below is absolutely certain to be of close to zero-
significance
 for almost all readers.  Only those on the precipice of an 
epiphany,
 or the enlightened, or those willing to read and dwell upon the 
words
 have any hope of garnering the least nugget of truth from the
 belowand I would say such folks would be exceedingly rare, and,
 able to get far deeper clarity from a million other spiritual 
messages
 from other sources. Clarity means ability to place one's 
attention
 on a precise spiritual axiom.
 
 Thus I ask again, why post this?  It seems to be mere excelsior at
 best and an attempt to inculcate in the reader an irritating 
psychic
 urge that is doomed to be unrequited. In fact, it's just drivel --
 even low class goofyassed drivel -- and poorly constructed by any
 educational standard one could apply to it. 
 
 Only the rarest of folks can use this kind of challenge, and the 
rest
 of them, well, it comes off as you trying to put lipstick on the 
pig.
  It's like getting a Jesus loves you spam from your evangelical
 relatives.
 
 If I'm too hard on you, and you're just tossing things out to see 
if
 anything gets one of us stimulated to react, well, don't count my
 reaction as a reaction except as a thorn to remove a thorn.  Anyone
 here can google spiritual and cut and paste from an infinity of
 quotes from an infinity of gurus, and most of the quotes will come 
off
 as far clearer than the mishmash below, yet, most of them will, 
too,
 be of little use to any mind's advancement in clarity about the 
truths
 the below embarrassingly diddles with.  
 
 So why did you post this?  Do you expect others to be grateful,
 instructed, moved deeply into a profound intellectual reverie? 
What?
 
 Expecting no reply here, but if you do, please immediately tell me
 what non-physical energy is.
 
 Words, any of them, are bullets shot within a perfectly dark room 
in
 an attempt to hit the light switch.
 
 Yeah, I'm using words heresigh.
 
 Edg
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote:
 
  Abraham on the Ego 
  
   
  ...your Ego is not a problem , in fact your Ego is essential to 
your
  fulfilling of your reason for being here. Because what we would
  describe your ego as, is as this physical countenance or ability 
to
  perceive.
  
  Your ego is your physical focusser and if you did not have this
  egotistical ability to focus, then you would not be of any 
advantage
  to the non-physical energy.
  
  So it is not having the Ego that is the problem its using the 
Ego to
  EXCLUDE that is the problem.
  
  It is using the Ego to talk about what you DON'T WANT. If you 
were
  an egotistical being talking about what you DO WANT purely you 
would
  stay in sync with that non-physical energy and you would fulfil 
your
  reason for being.
  
  Abraham-Hicks tape G-5-18-96
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The test we've been waiting for (Barack the Magic Negro song)

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stan...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
  j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
   
A few leftists are puffing up their we're so
affronted feathers over Chip Saltsman's Xmas
gift to other RNC members, a CD of parody music
that includes one song called Barack the Magic
Negro.

   
  
 

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/rnc-candidate-distributes-controversial-obama-song-2008-12-26.html

In the past, some of our pseudo-feminists here
have claimed that supporters of Obama would be
as outraged over a racial slur aimed at him as
they are (or pretend to be) about so-called 
gender slurs aimed at Hillary. Well, we're 
about to find out.
   
   One thing to keep in mind is that David Ehrenstein, the guy who
   originated the Barack the Magic Negro meme, is an
African-American.
  
  
  He's African-American but he did not originate the meme.
 
 I didn't say he originated the Magic Negro meme. I was referring
 specifically to Magic Negro as applied to Barack Obama, which the
 Limbaugh crowd did, in fact, pick up from David Ehrenstein.


They picked it up from his article where he described where it came
from. There's a reason blacks don't vote for Republicans.

[FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 Well said, Peter, and well thought out through. 
 There is an element missing, however. How do
 the people in the group react when the group, 
 its  principles, its teachings, or its teacher 
 are challenged? (And I pose this question with 
 my experience with the Rama group as much in 
 mind as my experience with TM).
 
 In other words, I'm adding the notion of over-
 identifying with the group to the mix. If a 
 person tends to react *emotionally* to criticism
 of the group, as if the criticism was of him or
 her personally, then IMO that person has turned
 the group they are part of into a cult.

Another interesting question has to do with
whether the critic's charge that those who react
negatively to criticism of the group are doing so
emotionally is actually valid, or is only a way
to dismiss the negative reaction and/or put down
the person reacting negatively.

Such a charge is based on the assumption that the
criticism drawing the negative reaction is accurate
and fair, and therefore that a negative reaction
to it must be emotional rather than rational.

A corollary assumption is that an emotional negative
reaction is a function of unhealthy over-identification
with the group.

But both these assumptions may well be false in
any given case.

snip
 I post this because it covers the bases of a *type*
 of cultist who doesn't really get involved with
 the day-to-day operations of the group. They stay
 somewhat separate, *so that* they can claim that 
 they are not really part of the group, and thus 
 preserve (in their own minds) their independence. 
 But where the rubber meets the road is how they 
 react when this group that they are independent 
 from is challenged. If they become emotional and 
 angry or insulting, then IMO they are bigger cultists 
 than those who are high-ranking members of the group 
 who *don't* over-react.

This thesis works only if it's based on the assumption
that the criticism in question is fair and accurate.
There's not a thing abnormal about reacting angrily
to unfair or inaccurate criticism of any group; such a
reaction says nothing whatsoever about whether the
person reacting is genuinely independent of the group.

One might say, however, that such a person has an
overidentification with fairness and accuracy, if
one is personally indifferent to fairness and accuracy.

Whether such indifference is itself normal and healthy
is another question entirely.

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM] Gay rights?

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... 
wrote:
-snip-I'm not gay, but I find myself
 being an active voice in criticizing the
 haters who sponsored Proposition 8 and now
 want to nullify same-sex marriages in CA.
 I will criticize these assholes no end, but
 I was never a part of the group they're
 trying to take rights away from. -snip-

those against prop 8 aren't necessarily haters. as i've pointed out 
before, current california law recognizes gays as domestic partners 
with equal rights to those who are married. 

in fact a friend of mine in california had to pay nearly $400 per 
month for health insurance while unemployed because he was in a 
heterosexual relationship. he couldn't use his female partner's 
company health benefits because they had a heterosexual 
relationship. 

if he had been gay, he would've been able to declare a domestic 
partnership and have access to his partner's health insurance, 
saving $400 per month. unfortunately, you must be at least 62 to 
declare a heterosexual domestic partnership in california. if you 
are gay, the age is 18.

many of those opposed to prop 8 want marriage to be defined as 
between a man and a woman. it doesn't have anything to do about 
equal rights, at least in california.

so you can keep criticizing these assholes, but you might as well 
know what you are criticizing, and what you are not.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The test we've been waiting for (Barack the Magic Negro song)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
 j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   A few leftists are puffing up their we're so
   affronted feathers over Chip Saltsman's Xmas
   gift to other RNC members, a CD of parody music
   that includes one song called Barack the Magic
   Negro.
 
 http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/rnc-candidate-distributes-
controversial-obama-song-2008-12-26.html
   
   In the past, some of our pseudo-feminists here

There are no pseudo-feminists here. (At least not any
*female* pseudo-feminists.)

   have claimed that supporters of Obama would be
   as outraged over a racial slur aimed at him as
   they are (or pretend to be) about so-called 
   gender slurs aimed at Hillary. Well, we're 
   about to find out.

One wouldn't expect Barry to be aware of this, because
it's more complicated and nuanced than he likes to have
to deal with. But the interesting thing is that Magic
Negro isn't a racial slur at all, at least not one
directed at black people. It's a commentary on liberal
white racism.

  One thing to keep in mind is that David Ehrenstein,
  the guy who originated the Barack the Magic Negro
  meme, is an African-American.
 
 He's African-American but he did not originate the meme.
 Here are his own words:
 
 ---The Magic Negro is a figure of postmodern folk
 culture, coined by snarky 20th century sociologists,
 to explain a cultural figure who emerged in the wake
 of Brown vs. Board of Education. He has no past,
 he simply appears one day to help the white protagonist,
 reads the description on Wikipedia 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro .

Once this stereotype is identified as such, it's
appalling to realize how prevalent it is in this
culture, especially in film. Most of our best
black actors have played Magic Negro roles in major
films--Morgan Freeman, for example, in Shawshank
Redemption, Driving Miss Daisy, and Unforgiven
(among others).




 He's there to assuage white guilt (i.e., the
 minimal discomfort they feel) over the role of
 slavery and racial segregation in American history,
 while replacing stereotypes of a dangerous, highly
 sexualized black man with a benign figure for whom
 interracial sexual congress holds no interest.
 
 ~~  David Ehrenstein, LA Times, March 19, 2007
 http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-
ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story

[FairfieldLife] A Magoo cartoon

[do.rflex]

http://www.bartcop.com/sec-magoo.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson
nelsonriddle2001@
snip,
  snip,
 I find that ignoring the law of gravity can be
troublesome at
times.
 some of the laws of nature seem pretty real to me
  or am I
  missing
  something here?  N.
 
 
 And you assume that the Old Testament determines the
  laws of
  nature?
 Uh-huh.

  Equally relevant is the question- Why does a mouse
when it
spins.
   
   
   And that explains everything.
  
Just trying to follow the logic, thank you.
 
 
 Writing a coherent sentence might be a good start for you.

  as per your comment about the old testament, I didn,t think
 that was
the point.
   
   
   Then what -was- the point? 
   
   Are you claiming that homosexuality is against the 'laws of nature?'
   And if so, what was/is your basis for that claim, if not Billy G's
   Bible point of view?
  
I thought the point was pointless.
 
 
 Then maybe that's what you should have said, eh?
  
You are right- thanks.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The test we've been waiting for (Barack the Magic Negro song)

[raunchydog]

Magic Negro Cartoon: ME all-powerful black god-like figure, YOU pathetic
white underachiever mortal. Regardless, ME the servant, you the MASTA!



 
[http://academic.udayton.edu/race/2008ElectionandRacism/images/50_cartoo\
n_large.gif]


Examples
Examples of magical negroes as published by social commentators include:

* Uncle Remus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Remus  (James
Baskett http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Baskett ) in the film Song
of the South http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_of_the_South  (1946)
[10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-9
* Noah Cullen (Sidney Poitier
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Poitier ) in the film The Defiant
Ones http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Defiant_Ones  (1958)[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-strangehorizons-1
* The magical negro is a recurring archetype Stephen King
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_King 's novels
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novel  as well as some adaptations of his
work:
* Dick Hallorann in The Shining
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shining_%28novel%29  (1977), and in
both the 1980 film adaptation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shining_%28film%29  (Scatman Crothers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scatman_Crothers ) and the 1997 TV
miniseries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shining_%28mini-series%29 
(Melvin Van Peebles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvin_Van_Peebles
)[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-strangehorizons-1
* Mother Abagail in The Stand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stand  (1978), and the 1994 TV
adaptation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stand_%28TV_miniseries%29 
(Ruby Dee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Dee )[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-strangehorizons-1
* John Coffey in The Green Mile
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Mile_%28book%29  (1996), and
the 1999 film adaptation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Mile_%28film%29  (Michael
Clarke Duncan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Clarke_Duncan )[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-strangehorizons-1
[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-ejumpcut-4

* Moses the Clock Man (Bill Cobbs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cobbs ) in the film The Hudsucker
Proxy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hudsucker_Proxy  (1994) [11]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-10
* Cash (Don Cheadle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Cheadle ) in
the film The Family Man http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_Man 
(2000)[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-SpikeLee-2 [5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-ejumpcut-4
* Bagger Vance (Will Smith http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Smith
) in the film The Legend of Bagger Vance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Bagger_Vance  (2000)[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-strangehorizons-1
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-SpikeLee-2
[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-ejumpcut-4
[12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-11
* Gloria Dump (Cicely Tyson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicely_Tyson ) in the film Because of
Winn-Dixie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Because_of_Winn-Dixie_%28film%29 
(2005)[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-charlotteObs-12
* God (Morgan Freeman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Freeman )
in the film Bruce Almighty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Almighty
/Evan Almighty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Almighty .[14]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-13
* Eddie Scrap Iron Dupris (Morgan Freeman) in Million Dollar Baby
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Million_Dollar_Baby [15]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-14
* Morpheus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morpheus_%28The_Matrix%29 
(Laurence Fishburne http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Fishburne )
in The Matrix http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_series .[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-ejumpcut-4
* Lamont (Guy Torry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Torry ) in the
film American History X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_History_X .[16]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-15

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM

[Vaj]

On Dec 27, 2008, at 5:03 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 Well said, Peter, and well thought out through.
 There is an element missing, however. How do
 the people in the group react when the group,
 its  principles, its teachings, or its teacher
 are challenged? (And I pose this question with
 my experience with the Rama group as much in
 mind as my experience with TM).

 In other words, I'm adding the notion of over-
 identifying with the group to the mix. If a
 person tends to react *emotionally* to criticism
 of the group, as if the criticism was of him or
 her personally, then IMO that person has turned
 the group they are part of into a cult.


There's also the notion--and probably the most prevalent in non- 
hardcore TM-cultists--is that of brand name loyalty and superiority,  
whereby through a merely conditioned set of TM-instruction factoids  
(many of them patently false) one protects their brand name product,  
often as if their little lives depended on it! After all, they're  
saturated by these factoids by everyone involved in TM: certainly  
their TM teachers, but also by other previously indoctrinated folks.  
Some examples of conditioned but false (often unquestioned  
assumptions) are effortless meditation and all other meditations  
which uses balanced attentional skills are inferior and/or straining;  
we're the best, they showed me the research, it must be true; further  
more advanced states of consciousness will spontaneously just  
happen, etc.

It's a long list, but there are many brand-name superiority  
assumptions which are prevalent even at the level of the average Joe  
or Jane meditator. This IMO is the root of TM cultism, and not so  
much the dye-in-the-wool TMO True Believer that Peter describes, but  
in the acquisition of widespread brand-name falsehoods.

[FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
snip
 It's a long list, but there are many brand-name
 superiority assumptions which are prevalent even
 at the level of the average Joe or Jane
 meditator. This IMO is the root of TM cultism,
 and not so much the dye-in-the-wool TMO True
 Believer that Peter describes, but in the
 acquisition of widespread brand-name falsehoods.

By falsehoods, Vaj means, of course, stuff that
he doesn't agree with.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM

[I am the eternal]

On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Peter drpetersutp...@yahoo.com wrote:
 If the question is whether the TMO is a cult or not is too simple a question. 
 It makes it appear as if its an all or nothing question and that doesn't 
 reflect the broad experiential reality of people in their various levels of 
 involvement/identification with the TMO. For some people the TMO functions as 
 a cult in their life. By this I mean they have very little independent 
 thought outside of the conceptual tools offered by the TMO. They 
 conceptualize their experience through these constructs. When something 
 doesn't fit the constructs they also have a means of dealing with it: 
 unstressing, negativity. The conceptual tool box becomes a dogma for them: it 
 is solely a belief system and not based on their personal experience. They 
 are emotionally repressed and intellectually inflexible because they have 
 traded their authentic experiencing for a system of thoughts/concepts. This 
 is one extreme. The opposite is someone who does their program solely because 
 of
  the experience they have.

Sorry, Pete.  It's a cult.  Just like the Catholic Church is a
religion.  If I choose not to go to church, to confession, to Holy
Communion, the Catholic Church continues to be a religion.

I have no choice but to expose myself to and pass as a member of the
Cult of TM.  No way I'd be allowed in the Dome if I didn't pay lip
service to all the orthodoxy of the TMO, our king, our princes, our
global country, if I didn't show the proper reverence to the whole
puja to Guru Dev thing that goes on between rounds in the morning.

It may make you feel better to think that you are not a member of a
cult by declaring that you don't feel like you're a member and that
you don't do culty things.  But if you authentically practice TM and
the TM sidhis, you have a global country, a king and princes.  If we
don't have your current email and postal address, send it to us and
we'll put you on the list so you can reconnect with Cult Central.

[FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
snip
  If someone didn't have an attachment to a group identity, 
  why would they endlessly criticize that group? 
 
 Speaking of inauthentic arguments, Pete,
 this is one. I'm not gay, but I find myself
 being an active voice in criticizing the
 haters who sponsored Proposition 8 and now
 want to nullify same-sex marriages in CA.
 I will criticize these assholes no end, but
 I was never a part of the group they're
 trying to take rights away from.

Excellent point. Unfortunately, Barry is
incapable of understanding that it works in the
other direction as well. If Barry were to apply
the same standards to himself that he applies
to those who react angrily and with insults to
TM critics, he'd have to acknowledge that he
overidentifies with gays.

 Similarly,
 there are some who criticize poor behavior
 in spiritual groups because it's there and
 shouldn't be, not because they were ever 
 part of the group.

And some who manufacture criticisms of
nonexistent behavior, just as Rick Warren, for
example, has criticized the notion of legalizing
same-sex marriage because, he claimed, it would
result in restricting his freedom of speech from
the pulpit. Which is, of course, utter nonsense.

Bottom line: How somebody reacts to criticism
of a group--theirs or any other--has much more
to do with the accuracy and fairness of the
criticism than it does with the degree to which
the person reacting identifies with the group
being criticized.

Barry leaves the validity of the criticisms out
of his equation entirely.

  They find a degree of value in the group identity, but 
  they also find problems. They want the group identity, 
  but without the problems. 
 
 In all honesty, the only person I can think
 of on this forum who falls into this category
 is Nabby. We all suspect that he wouldn't be 
 allowed within a mile of a real TM facility,

Actually, I believe Barry is the only person
here who has ever suggested this. Barry has no
basis for claiming we all suspect it. I
certainly don't.

[FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote:

 
 
 
 --- On Sat, 12/27/08, sparaig lengli...@... wrote:
 
 snip
 
  
  THis is from vague memory. PRhaps from this gorup or
  another:
  
  There once was a man who hated Lord SHiva. His hatred knew
  no bounds. Eery day he woiuld trek to the shrine, wend his
  way to the 
  front of the worshippers and spit. Then walk off. 
  
  This went on for years. One day, during monsoon season, the
  rains
  were so terrible that no-one came to the shrine, except
  that man.
  As always,  he walked to the front and spit. As he turned
  to walk away,
  Lord SHiva himself appeared and offered to grant any boon.
  
  WHy, asked the man, since you know how I
  feel about you, do you
  do such a thing?
  
  Because, replied Shiva, of all My
  followers, thou art the most faithful.
  
  
  It's not just the hangers on that can make a cult of
  something...
  
  
  He/she who has ears, let him/her hear.
 
 Deep love or deep hatred are attachments that can lead to transcendence 
 depending 
upon whom or what one is attached to. MMY said once that you can either hate or 
love 
your master. But then he added it was probably better to love your master 
because then 
you would do what he said.
 

So the former TM crowd are practicing inverted Bhakti with MMY as their guru...


Interesting take.


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: The test we've been waiting for (Barack the Magic Negro song)

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  A few leftists are puffing up their we're so
  affronted feathers over Chip Saltsman's Xmas
  gift to other RNC members, a CD of parody music
  that includes one song called Barack the Magic
  Negro.
  
 
 http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/rnc-candidate-distributes-controversial-obama-
song-2008-12-26.html
  
  In the past, some of our pseudo-feminists here
  have claimed that supporters of Obama would be
  as outraged over a racial slur aimed at him as
  they are (or pretend to be) about so-called 
  gender slurs aimed at Hillary. Well, we're 
  about to find out.
 
 One thing to keep in mind is that David Ehrenstein, the guy who
 originated the Barack the Magic Negro meme, is an African-American.


Yes, but he did it in the context of an analysis of how whites were responding
to Obama, and of course, he may not have been correct, in whole, or in part.


L.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The test we've been waiting for (Barack the Magic Negro song)

[Patrick Gillam]

There's a school of thought which holds 
that God and/or Creation are at the bidding 
of our individual desires. In short, They exist to 
serve. Neal Donald Walsch's Conversations 
with God books are of this school. The 
Magical Negro seems to be a personification 
of this worldview.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog wrote:

 Magic Negro Cartoon: ME all-powerful black 
 god-like figure, YOU pathetic
 white underachiever mortal. Regardless, ME 
 the servant, you the MASTA!
 
 http://tinyurl.com/82q9jx
 
 Examples
 Examples of magical negroes as published by 
 social commentators include:
 
 * Uncle Remus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Remus  (James
 Baskett http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Baskett ) in the film Song
 of the South http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_of_the_South  (1946)
 [10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-9
 * Noah Cullen (Sidney Poitier
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Poitier ) in the film The Defiant
 Ones http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Defiant_Ones  (1958)[2]
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-strangehorizons-1
 * The magical negro is a recurring archetype Stephen King
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_King 's novels
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novel  as well as some adaptations of his
 work:
 * Dick Hallorann in The Shining
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shining_%28novel%29  (1977), and in
 both the 1980 film adaptation
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shining_%28film%29  (Scatman Crothers
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scatman_Crothers ) and the 1997 TV
 miniseries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shining_%28mini-series%29 
 (Melvin Van Peebles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvin_Van_Peebles
 )[2]
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-strangehorizons-1
 * Mother Abagail in The Stand
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stand  (1978), and the 1994 TV
 adaptation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stand_%28TV_miniseries%29 
 (Ruby Dee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Dee )[2]
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-strangehorizons-1
 * John Coffey in The Green Mile
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Mile_%28book%29  (1996), and
 the 1999 film adaptation
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Mile_%28film%29  (Michael
 Clarke Duncan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Clarke_Duncan )[2]
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-strangehorizons-1
 [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-ejumpcut-4
 
 * Moses the Clock Man (Bill Cobbs
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cobbs ) in the film The Hudsucker
 Proxy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hudsucker_Proxy  (1994) [11]
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-10
 * Cash (Don Cheadle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Cheadle ) in
 the film The Family Man http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_Man 
 (2000)[3]
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-SpikeLee-2 [5]
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-ejumpcut-4
 * Bagger Vance (Will Smith http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Smith
 ) in the film The Legend of Bagger Vance
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Bagger_Vance  (2000)[2]
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-strangehorizons-1
 [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-SpikeLee-2
 [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-ejumpcut-4
 [12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-11
 * Gloria Dump (Cicely Tyson
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicely_Tyson ) in the film Because of
 Winn-Dixie
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Because_of_Winn-Dixie_%28film%29 
 (2005)[13]
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-charlotteObs-12
 * God (Morgan Freeman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Freeman )
 in the film Bruce Almighty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Almighty
 /Evan Almighty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Almighty .[14]
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-13
 * Eddie Scrap Iron Dupris (Morgan Freeman) in Million Dollar Baby
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Million_Dollar_Baby [15]
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-14
 * Morpheus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morpheus_%28The_Matrix%29 
 (Laurence Fishburne http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Fishburne )
 in The Matrix http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_series .[5]
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-ejumpcut-4
 * Lamont (Guy Torry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Torry )
in the
 film American History X
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_History_X .[16]
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro#cite_note-15

[FairfieldLife] Re: The test we've been waiting for (Barack the Magic Negro song)

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
  j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
   
A few leftists are puffing up their we're so
affronted feathers over Chip Saltsman's Xmas
gift to other RNC members, a CD of parody music
that includes one song called Barack the Magic
Negro.

   
  
 
 http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/rnc-candidate-distributes-controversial-obama-
song-2008-12-26.html

In the past, some of our pseudo-feminists here
have claimed that supporters of Obama would be
as outraged over a racial slur aimed at him as
they are (or pretend to be) about so-called 
gender slurs aimed at Hillary. Well, we're 
about to find out.
   
   One thing to keep in mind is that David Ehrenstein, the guy who
   originated the Barack the Magic Negro meme, is an African-American.
  
  
  He's African-American but he did not originate the meme.
 
 I didn't say he originated the Magic Negro meme. I was referring
 specifically to Magic Negro as applied to Barack Obama, which the
 Limbaugh crowd did, in fact, pick up from David Ehrenstein.


Thereby transforming him into their own version of the Magic Negro,
that is, he's not really a person who achieves things on his own merits,
or a sign of their own lack thereof, but really just a caricature whose 
significance
is that he really has none.

Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 snip
  It's a long list, but there are many brand-name
  superiority assumptions which are prevalent even
  at the level of the average Joe or Jane
  meditator. This IMO is the root of TM cultism,
  and not so much the dye-in-the-wool TMO True
  Believer that Peter describes, but in the
  acquisition of widespread brand-name falsehoods.
 
 By falsehoods, Vaj means, of course, stuff that
 he doesn't agree with.


Goes both ways of course, but it IS funny to watch someone
present those two-edged swords hilt-first.

Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Magoo cartoon

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:



 http://www.bartcop.com/sec-magoo.jpg



Why waste people's time, Bongo?  Just paste the bloody cartoon here:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[I am the eternal]

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Richard J. Williams willy...@yahoo.com wrote:
 There seems to be another 'glitch' in the
 FFL Post Counter. I wonder what's up with
 that? Who cares?

 Maybe we should just drop the counting rule
 - that's my vote. We need to have more posts
 by Barry and Judy - that seems to be the
 only interesting thing to read around here
 anymore.

 Apparently almost everyone here now is a
 troll, of one sort or another - hardly
 anyone seems to be able to carry on an
 extended dialog or conversation for longer
 than a few minutes a day.

At first I thought the post count was a good idea.  No longer are
Peter and others using FFL as an IM, posting inanities every couple of
minutes, posting dozens in non-sequitors a day.  Now I see there's a
problem with some very enthusiastic posters (Judy comes to mind), who
come close to blowing their wad in the first couple of days after the
count is reset.

I wondered what it was about Fridays.  Did everyone leave town?  No,
it appears people have blown their wad or are close to it.  I don't
know what the solution is here.  If we doubled the limit to 100 we
might just get people in the same bind as before.  I thought that 50
was a righteous limit yet I felt the need to put my two cents in more
than usual last week and was shocked to see how fast my post count was
climbing to 50.  Rarely does Judy post something that interests me.
More often Raunch posts on varied topics.  I'd like to see these two
women get a greater allowance.  Heck, I'd be happy most weeks to give
my unused count to these two.

I'd vote for an Animal Farm approach to the post limits where
everybody gets an equal number of posts but some posters are more
equal than others.  I'm all for variable subtracting of posts
remaining based on bad post editing/pruning.  It gets a bit tedious
trying to find the one line response in a post which cites 6 previous
posters.  IMO if someone doesn't want to take the time to prune






then just subtract 5 from their weekly post limit.

[FairfieldLife] Israel be damned

[feste37]

Palestinian casualties in Gaza from Israeli air assault: 200 dead, 400
wounded.

In retaliation for:

Hamas rocket attacks on Israel. Israeli casualties: zero

U.S. response: Israel, our dearest friend, try and avoid civilian
casualties. If you can. If you can't, well, never mind. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[Bhairitu]

I am the eternal wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Richard J. Williams willy...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:
   
 There seems to be another 'glitch' in the
 FFL Post Counter. I wonder what's up with
 that? Who cares?

 Maybe we should just drop the counting rule
 - that's my vote. We need to have more posts
 by Barry and Judy - that seems to be the
 only interesting thing to read around here
 anymore.

 Apparently almost everyone here now is a
 troll, of one sort or another - hardly
 anyone seems to be able to carry on an
 extended dialog or conversation for longer
 than a few minutes a day.
 

 At first I thought the post count was a good idea.  No longer are
 Peter and others using FFL as an IM, posting inanities every couple of
 minutes, posting dozens in non-sequitors a day.  Now I see there's a
 problem with some very enthusiastic posters (Judy comes to mind), who
 come close to blowing their wad in the first couple of days after the
 count is reset.

 I wondered what it was about Fridays.  Did everyone leave town?  No,
 it appears people have blown their wad or are close to it.  I don't
 know what the solution is here.  If we doubled the limit to 100 we
 might just get people in the same bind as before.  I thought that 50
 was a righteous limit yet I felt the need to put my two cents in more
 than usual last week and was shocked to see how fast my post count was
 climbing to 50.  Rarely does Judy post something that interests me.
 More often Raunch posts on varied topics.  I'd like to see these two
 women get a greater allowance.  Heck, I'd be happy most weeks to give
 my unused count to these two.

 I'd vote for an Animal Farm approach to the post limits where
 everybody gets an equal number of posts but some posters are more
 equal than others.  I'm all for variable subtracting of posts
 remaining based on bad post editing/pruning.  It gets a bit tedious
 trying to find the one line response in a post which cites 6 previous
 posters.  IMO if someone doesn't want to take the time to prune

 
 
 
 

 then just subtract 5 from their weekly post limit.
Write up a PHP script for that then.  :-D

FYI, this has been suggested before and got a big thumbs down.  I wrote 
the script for the Post Count and yet I'm opposed to any kind of 
limit.   But then I read via email and so have all kinds of methods of 
being able to sort out the messages and when finished will sometime just 
hit Mark Folder Read which cleans up the list quite a bit since the 
email client ( Thunderbird) is set to Unread for the FFL folder.  You 
can't do those kind of things using the web site to read the group.

As for the counts, I know I spotted at least one duplicate set earlier 
this week for Judy.  People are allowed to challenge the number if they 
feel duplicates have been sent out.  Sometimes those also appear on the 
web site.  The count is done via reading headers off email.  I was 
hoping to add a line or two of code to check for duplicates but Yahoo 
actually bumps the message number if it sends out a duplicate so that 
was not possible.  Also it is possible that an FFL email can get could 
in the mail provider's spam filter.  I have occasionally found some 
stuck there by checking the web mail site.

To suggest that some get more posting limits than others would be rather 
fascist anyway.  The group is not a writing contest.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[gullible fool]

At first I thought the post count was a good idea.  No longer are
Peter and others using FFL as an IM, posting inanities every couple of
minutes, posting dozens in non-sequitors a day.
  
Yes, it was all Peter's doing! Uncontrolled, Peter would have indundated the 
good forum with many, many hundreds of posts per day! Much more during 
hurricane season!
 
Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love. 
 
- Amma  

--- On Sat, 12/27/08, I am the eternal l.shad...@gmail.com wrote:

From: I am the eternal l.shad...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 2:42 PM

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Richard J. Williams willy...@yahoo.com
wrote:
 There seems to be another 'glitch' in the
 FFL Post Counter. I wonder what's up with
 that? Who cares?

 Maybe we should just drop the counting rule
 - that's my vote. We need to have more posts
 by Barry and Judy - that seems to be the
 only interesting thing to read around here
 anymore.

 Apparently almost everyone here now is a
 troll, of one sort or another - hardly
 anyone seems to be able to carry on an
 extended dialog or conversation for longer
 than a few minutes a day.

At first I thought the post count was a good idea.  No longer are
Peter and others using FFL as an IM, posting inanities every couple of
minutes, posting dozens in non-sequitors a day.  Now I see there's a
problem with some very enthusiastic posters (Judy comes to mind), who
come close to blowing their wad in the first couple of days after the
count is reset.

I wondered what it was about Fridays.  Did everyone leave town?  No,
it appears people have blown their wad or are close to it.  I don't
know what the solution is here.  If we doubled the limit to 100 we
might just get people in the same bind as before.  I thought that 50
was a righteous limit yet I felt the need to put my two cents in more
than usual last week and was shocked to see how fast my post count was
climbing to 50.  Rarely does Judy post something that interests me.
More often Raunch posts on varied topics.  I'd like to see these two
women get a greater allowance.  Heck, I'd be happy most weeks to give
my unused count to these two.

I'd vote for an Animal Farm approach to the post limits where
everybody gets an equal number of posts but some posters are more
equal than others.  I'm all for variable subtracting of posts
remaining based on bad post editing/pruning.  It gets a bit tedious
trying to find the one line response in a post which cites 6 previous
posters.  IMO if someone doesn't want to take the time to prune






then just subtract 5 from their weekly post limit.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote:

 I am the eternal wrote:
snip
  I wondered what it was about Fridays.  Did 
  everyone leave town?  No, it appears people
  have blown their wad or are close to it.

Actually, most people have plenty of posts left
for the week.

snip
  I'm all for variable subtracting of posts
  remaining based on bad post editing/pruning.

Me too. Too many people are completely irresponsible
in this regard. Pain in the butt.

snip
 But then I read via email and so have all kinds
 of methods of being able to sort out the messages
 and when finished will sometime just hit Mark
 Folder Read which cleans up the list quite a bit
 since the email client ( Thunderbird) is set to
 Unread for the FFL folder.  

 You can't do those kind of things using the web
 site to read the group.

If you work from the Message List, it's very easy
to skip posts you don't want to read.

 As for the counts, I know I spotted at least one
 duplicate set earlier this week for Judy.  People
 are allowed to challenge the number if they feel
 duplicates have been sent out.

I already explained that I had a reply get posted
before I'd typed anything in the reply box; and that
reply was somehow posted three times. Alex told me
(publicly) that I could delete the three empty
replies and subtract three posts from what the Post
Count was registering. That's why my count was 53
this past week.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote:

 As for the counts, I know I spotted at least one duplicate set
 earlier this week for Judy.  People are allowed to challenge the
 number if they feel duplicates have been sent out.  

Judy accidentally sent off a post in which she hadn't yet written her
response, and it showed up three times, both in email and on the
website. So, I told her she could go to 53 this week: 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/202546

There are only a few people each week who hit 50 posts, so most
glitches like this one don't bump people over the 50 post limit. It's
not that big a deal to adjust for the occasional situation like this one. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[I am the eternal]

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Write up a PHP script for that then.  :-D

 FYI, this has been suggested before and got a big thumbs down.  I wrote
 the script for the Post Count and yet I'm opposed to any kind of
 limit.   But then I read via email and so have all kinds of methods of
 being able to sort out the messages and when finished will sometime just
 hit Mark Folder Read which cleans up the list quite a bit since the
 email client ( Thunderbird) is set to Unread for the FFL folder.  You
 can't do those kind of things using the web site to read the group.

 As for the counts, I know I spotted at least one duplicate set earlier
 this week for Judy.  People are allowed to challenge the number if they
 feel duplicates have been sent out.  Sometimes those also appear on the
 web site.  The count is done via reading headers off email.  I was
 hoping to add a line or two of code to check for duplicates but Yahoo
 actually bumps the message number if it sends out a duplicate so that
 was not possible.  Also it is possible that an FFL email can get could
 in the mail provider's spam filter.  I have occasionally found some
 stuck there by checking the web mail site.

 To suggest that some get more posting limits than others would be rather
 fascist anyway.  The group is not a writing contest.


Moi?  Write in PHP?  I am a citizen sidha of the Age of Enlightenment.
 I've been empowered by HH Maharishi Mahest Yogi to do nothing and
accomplish all.  Dirty my hands doing actual labor?

I don't see anything wrong with giving high post limits to Zionest,
leftists, feminazis, those using this forum to further the gay agenda
or whistle in the dark that they aren't actually part of a cult.  I
mean that's what this group's here for, isn't it?

Why shouldn't the people whose purpose here is to keep us thinking
correctly have more of an opportunity to do so?  I welcome instructive
posts from those who think more deeply and rightly than I do.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal 
l.shad...@... wrote:
snip
 At first I thought the post count was a good idea.
 No longer are Peter and others using FFL as an IM,
 posting inanities every couple of minutes, posting
 dozens in non-sequitors a day.

FWIW, I don't recall Peter *ever* doing this. He posts
plenty of inane one-liners, but hardly dozens a day.
And he rarely even comes close to the 50-post limit.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[I am the eternal]

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 2:18 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal
 l.shad...@... wrote:
 snip
 At first I thought the post count was a good idea.
 No longer are Peter and others using FFL as an IM,
 posting inanities every couple of minutes, posting
 dozens in non-sequitors a day.

 FWIW, I don't recall Peter *ever* doing this. He posts
 plenty of inane one-liners, but hardly dozens a day.
 And he rarely even comes close to the 50-post limit.


That's because you were posting as the Author's Friend on Usenet at
the time.  I don't quite remember the timeframe but it was perhaps 3
to 5 years ago.  But trust me, it was really bad.  I wondered what
Peter really did for a living he spammed this group so much, as did
others.  Rudra Joe was another of the heavily contributors at the
time.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal 
l.shad...@... wrote:

 On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 2:18 PM, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal
  L.Shaddai@ wrote:
  snip
  At first I thought the post count was a good idea.
  No longer are Peter and others using FFL as an IM,
  posting inanities every couple of minutes, posting
  dozens in non-sequitors a day.
 
  FWIW, I don't recall Peter *ever* doing this. He posts
  plenty of inane one-liners, but hardly dozens a day.
  And he rarely even comes close to the 50-post limit.
 
 That's because you were posting as the Author's
 Friend on Usenet at the time.  I don't quite
 remember the timeframe but it was perhaps 3 to 5
 years ago.  But trust me, it was really bad.

I trust you, but this would have been *long* before
the posting limit was imposed. That happened, what,
last year sometime.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Navel Chakra

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
willy...@... wrote:

 John_jr_esq wrote:
  Patanjali mentioned that one can gain 
  a siddhi relating to the organization 
  of the body when one concentrates on 
  the navel chakra. 
 
 Did Patanjali have anything to say about 
 the 'chakras' - the hatha yoga came maybe
 hundreds of years after Patanjali wrote
 out the Yoga Sutras.


Most people reading this sloka would think that Patanjali was talking 
about the chakras, which start from the bottom of the spinal cord to 
the top of the brain.  Based on my own experience, I believe that these 
chakras exist as well.

However, in reflecting the significance of this sloka to jyotish, I 
found that there's a very close resemblance between the birth horoscope 
and the navel chakra.  Therefore, we can assume that Patanjali was also 
an adept at jyotish.

IMO, it is possible get a closer magnification of the body parts to the 
cellular, DNA and even subatomic levels by analyzing the rashi chart 
(main chart) and the various vargas, or subsidiary charts.  The 
development of jyotish at the present time is still mainly at the 
surface level of phenomenal existence.  Jyotishis need to do more 
detailed work and research to validate their theories and findings.

[FairfieldLife] Meditations for Bliss by Osho

[arhatafreespeech]

  












Meditations for Bliss
　
Feel Your Body as Empty
Suppose your passive form to be an empty room with walls of skin…but inside, 
everything empty. This is one of the most beautiful techniques. Just sit in a 
meditative posture, relaxed, alone, your backbone straight and the whole body 
relaxed ? as if the whole body is hanging on the backbone. Then close your 
eyes. For a few moments go on feeling relaxed, more relaxed, becoming calmer 
and calmer and calmer. 
Do this for a few moments, just to be in tune. And then suddenly start feeling 
your body is just walls of skin and there is nothing inside, there is no one 
inside, the house is vacant. Sometimes you will feel thoughts passing, clouds 
of thoughts moving, but don't think that they belong to you.. You are not. Just 
think that they are roaming in a vacant sky ? they don't belong to anyone, they 
don't have any roots.
Really this is the case: thoughts are just like clouds moving in the sky. They 
don't have any roots and they don't belong to the sky, they simply roam in the 
sky. They come and they go and the sky remains untouched, uninfluenced. 
Feel that your body is just walls of skin and there is no one inside. Thoughts 
will still continue ? because of old habit, old momentum, old cooperation, 
thoughts will go on coming. But just think that they are rootless clouds moving 
in space ? they don't belong to you, they don't belong to anybody else. There 
is no one to whom they can belong ? you are empty. It will be difficult, but 
because of the old habits, nothing else. Your mind would like to catch some 
thought, be identified with it, move with it, enjoy it, indulge in it. 
Resist! 
Just say there is no one to indulge, there is no one to fight, there is no one 
to do anything with this thought.Within a few days, a few weeks, thoughts will 
slow down, they will become less and less. The clouds will start disappearing, 
or, even if they come, there will be great gaps of cloudless sky when there 
will be no thought. 
One thought will pass. Then another will not come for a period. Then another 
will come and then there will again be an interval. In those intervals you will 
know for the first time what emptiness is. And the very glimpse of it will fill 
you with such deep bliss you cannot imagine.
Think of Nothing
Thinking, you are separated from existence. Thinking is not a relation, it is 
not a bridge, it is not a communication ? it is a barrier. Non-thinking you are 
related, bridged; you are in communion. When you are talking to someone, you 
are not related. The very talk becomes a barrier. The more you talk, the 
further away you move.. If you are with someone in silence, you are related. If 
the silence is really deep and there are no thoughts in your mind and both the 
minds are totally silent, you are one.
Whenever you are silent with someone, you are one. 
When you are silent with existence, you are one with it.
This technique says be silent with existence and then you will know what God 
is. There is only one dialogue with existence and that is in silence. If you 
talk with existence, you miss. Then you are enveloped in your own thoughts.
Try this as an experiment. Try it with anything  even with a rock. Be silent 
with it  take it in your hand and be silent  and there will be a communion. You 
will move deep into the rock and the rock will move deep into you.
Your secrets will be revealed to the rock and the rock will reveal its secrets 
to you. But you cannot use language with it. The rock doesn't know any 
language.Confined in thoughts you will be in misery. Unconfined, beyond 
thoughts  alert, conscious, aware, but unclouded by thoughts  you will be joy, 
you will be bliss.

  




 

















  

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'How to trip up the ego...'

[Duveyoung]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@...
wrote:

 its a good quote--

And good means what to you?  Are you saying that this kind of text
message has any value of significance to daily life without there being
required a reader who is vastly prepared to resonate with it and,
indeed, have that blurb's  truth as handy as amalak fruit on the palm of
that reader's hand with which to project the meaning into the words? 
The words are useless without a prepared nervous system -- children or
bumpkins et al cannot be expected to be bettered by the reading of the
message, so unless there's a specific nervous system being targeted,
only sold-out Abraham followers could be expected to grok the purport of
the message.  And then, even then, only the s0-called enlightened ones
can be relied upon to really ferret out the purport -- no follower of
Abraham would think his message was so clearly understood that they
could write it out in their own words and have it be as authentic as
Abraham's statement -- just like TMers thinking only Maharishi could
comment on the Gita.  Hence, why post the blurb except as an attention
getter for Robert?

If all you're saying is that the text conveys a meaning that an ordinary
English speaking person can take a test on the content of the message
and get C+ or higher rating from Abraham, then the posting of the blurb
becomes  almost trollishwell, okay, trollish period.  Clearly, any
posting has the onus of being reasonably expected to deliver some sort
of edification/value, but what is that value to the unprepared, the
un-sold-outers, or  the sold-out-to-something-elsers?  Again, what is
good?  The reading of it cannot be scientifically measured to show
improvements of consciousness, so it would be an act of faith only to
read this message and hope to gain from the  reading of it.  The message
in no way instructs one how to apply this knowledge -- quick, how do you
get a gallon of non-physical energy to wash off the day's dirt from the
soul?  See?  Like my facecious question, it's gobbledeegook.

what it means is that the state of natural grace
 is one of not resisting, of acceptance,

Pure poetry -- snakeoil talk actually.   The best minds on the planet
cannot define the words of your statement with any consistency amongst
their various interpretations.  You're defending poety with merely more
poetry.  (Hey, you're not talking about congnative dissonance are you? 
Don't think so.)

  and in order to live in that
 state requires an ego,

So, even though the world's gurus are screaming dump the ego, kill
the ego, my ego is dead, etc., you're saying that the ego has a
spiritual functionality that is necessary.  Care to tussle  with the
great minds about which side of that fence one should adopt?  Don't
bother, because it's JUST WORDS.

a sense of self,

All the gurus say the self cannot be sensed.so again, this  is
poetry --  the words sense and self can have many meanings.

an enjoyment of ourselves as
 individuals.

Again, poetry; for how can the self enjoy the self -- are there two
selves such that we can posit one of them as the object of the other's
awareness?  Corelatively, are the selves of others somehow defined as
different from other selves such that they can be distinguished from
each other?  And if one self can be aware of other selves yet not be
expected to be enlightened and have a nervous system capable of this
astoundingly subtle feat, the whole logical structure is bogus.   How
can I know another if I don't know my own self purely?

However, this sense of ourselves can also be used prior
 to living this state of grace,

Poetry.  A state of grace is knowing the self, but you can have grace
without knowning the self -- to dwell upon this only makes sense if
we're in a Zen temple and doing a koan.  And how can a sense of anything
be used without decades of practice in an ashram in which one daily
tries to intergrate axiomatic values with personality?  And certainly,
you're not saying that the message takes one to the self; certainly the
message is a relative thing that requires effort to apply a value to a
system.  The message without an ashram and a guru is at best a pearl
tossed to swine -- defacto troll thrown rocks.

to exclude ourselves from that which
 may be helpful.

Geeze, that which may be helpful?  Talk about your fuzzy mean-anything
statements.

 not a bad quote, though it is vague with regards to any sort of
 guideline on how to act without getting in our own way.

Here you assume that there is an actor and a way.  Come on, are you
kidding me?  Do you opine that you can define these terms without
writing a huge tome of philosophical treatment that handles all the
side-issues of free will, truth, consciousness, conditioned
responses, et al?

I'm not even disagreeing with you or the blurb -- I'm just tired of
poets, in this case it's Abraham, pretending to be teachers -- worse,
poets pretending that words have spiritual merit for 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditations for Bliss by Osho

[dan]

 thanks i enjoyed











 Meditations for Bliss
 　
 Feel Your Body as Empty
 Suppose your passive form to be an empty room with walls of
skin…but inside, everything empty. This is one of the most
beautiful techniques. Just sit in a meditative posture, relaxed, alone,
your backbone straight and the whole body relaxed ? as if the whole body
is hanging on the backbone. Then close your eyes. For a few moments go
on feeling relaxed, more relaxed, becoming calmer and calmer and calmer.
 Do this for a few moments, just to be in tune. And then suddenly start
feeling your body is just walls of skin and there is nothing inside,
there is no one inside, the house is vacant. Sometimes you will feel
thoughts passing, clouds of thoughts moving, but don't think that they
belong to you.. You are not. Just think that they are roaming in a
vacant sky ? they don't belong to anyone, they don't have any roots.
 Really this is the case: thoughts are just like clouds moving in the
sky. They don't have any roots and they don't belong to the sky, they
simply roam in the sky. They come and they go and the sky remains
untouched, uninfluenced.
 Feel that your body is just walls of skin and there is no one inside.
Thoughts will still continue ? because of old habit, old momentum, old
cooperation, thoughts will go on coming. But just think that they are
rootless clouds moving in space ? they don't belong to you, they don't
belong to anybody else. There is no one to whom they can belong ? you
are empty. It will be difficult, but because of the old habits, nothing
else. Your mind would like to catch some thought, be identified with it,
move with it, enjoy it, indulge in it.
 Resist!
 Just say there is no one to indulge, there is no one to fight, there
is no one to do anything with this thought.Within a few days, a few
weeks, thoughts will slow down, they will become less and less. The
clouds will start disappearing, or, even if they come, there will be
great gaps of cloudless sky when there will be no thought.
 One thought will pass. Then another will not come for a period. Then
another will come and then there will again be an interval. In those
intervals you will know for the first time what emptiness is. And the
very glimpse of it will fill you with such deep bliss you cannot
imagine.
 Think of Nothing
 Thinking, you are separated from existence. Thinking is not a
relation, it is not a bridge, it is not a communication ? it is a
barrier. Non-thinking you are related, bridged; you are in communion.
When you are talking to someone, you are not related. The very talk
becomes a barrier. The more you talk, the further away you move.. If you
are with someone in silence, you are related. If the silence is really
deep and there are no thoughts in your mind and both the minds are
totally silent, you are one.
 Whenever you are silent with someone, you are one.
 When you are silent with existence, you are one with it.
 This technique says be silent with existence and then you will know
what God is. There is only one dialogue with existence and that is in
silence. If you talk with existence, you miss. Then you are enveloped in
your own thoughts.
 Try this as an experiment. Try it with anything  even with a rock.
Be silent with it  take it in your hand and be silent  and there
will be a communion. You will move deep into the rock and the rock will
move deep into you.
 Your secrets will be revealed to the rock and the rock will reveal its
secrets to you. But you cannot use language with it. The rock doesn't
know any language.Confined in thoughts you will be in misery.
Unconfined, beyond thoughts  alert, conscious, aware, but unclouded
by thoughts  you will be joy, you will be bliss.

[FairfieldLife] A Good Husband - great ending!!!

[Arhata Osho]

 A Good Husband 
Jack wakes up with a huge hangover after attending his company's 
party. Jack is not normally a drinker, but the drinks didn't taste 
like alcohol at all. He didn't even remember how he got home from the 
party. 

As bad as he was feeling, he wondered if he had done something 
wrong. Jack had to force himself to open his eyes, and the first thing 
he sees is a couple of aspirins next to a glass of water on the side 
table and next to them, a single red rose. Jack sits up and sees his 
clothing in front of him, all clean and pressed. He looks around the 
room and sees that it is in perfect order, spotlessly clean So is the 
rest of the house. He takes the aspirins and cringes when he sees a 
huge black eye staring back at him in the bathroom mirror. Then he 
notices a note hanging on the corner of the mirror written in red with 
little hearts on it and a kiss mark from his wife in lipstick: 'Honey, 
breakfast is on the stove, I left early to get groceries to make you 
your favorite dinner tonight. I love you, darling! Love, Jillian' 

He stumbles to the kitchen and sure enough, there is hot breakfast, 
steaming hot coffee and the morning newspaper. His 16 year old son is 
also at the table, eating. Jack asks, 'Son, what happened last night?' 
'Well, you came home after 3 A.M., drunk and out of your mind. You fell 
over the coffee table and broke it, then you puked in the hallway, and 
got that black eye when you ran into the door.' Confused, he asked his 
son, 'So, why is everything in such perfect order and so clean? I have 
a rose, and breakfast is on the table waiting for me??' 

His son replies, 'Oh, THAT... Mom dragged you to the bedroom last night, 
and when she tried to take your pants off, you screamed: 'Leave me 
alone bitch, I'm married!!!' 

Broken Coffee Table $239.99 
Hot Breakfast $4.20 
Two Aspirins $.38 
Saying the right thing, at the right time: PRICELESS


  

[FairfieldLife] GOP chair 'appalled' by 'Magic Negro' CD

[do.rflex]

The 2008 election was a wake-up call 
for Republicans to reach out and bring 
more people into our party. I am shocked 
and appalled that anyone would think 
this is appropriate as it clearly does 
not move us in the right direction.


--Republican National Committee Chairman Mike Duncan issued a
statement Saturday distancing the party's leadership from one of the
GOP's best-known operatives, Chip Saltsman, who distributed a CD
containing Barack the Magic Negro as part of his campaign to be
elected chairman of the Republican National Committee next month.

Duncan, who has served the campaigns of five presidents dating back to
Richard Nixon, is seeking reelection as the party's 60th chairman in a
hotly contested race that includes Saltsman and several other viable
candidates.

Saltsman, 40, was former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee's campaign
manager during the Republican presidential primaries.

Saltsman sent Republican National Committee members, who will choose
the next chairman, a CD by conservative political satirist Paul
Shanklin, We HATE the USA. It contains the controversial track,
which was popular on conservative radio. Shanklin's Web site promises
absolutely the best parodies in talk radio.

Duncan's statement, in full: The 2008 election was a wake-up call for
Republicans to reach out and bring more people into our party. I am
shocked and appalled that anyone would think this is appropriate as it
clearly does not move us in the right direction.

Saltsman's candidacy for national party chair is endorsed by Huckabee
and fellow Tennessean Bill Frist, the former Senate majority leader.

Saltsman defended his song selection to The Hill's Reid Wilson, who
first reported the gift.

Paul Shanklin is a longtime friend, and I think that RNC members have
the good humor and good sense to recognize that his songs for the Rush
Limbaugh show are light-hearted political parodies, Saltsman told The
Hill.

Saltsman's marketing campaign comes as Republicans grapple with ways
to offer a counterpoint to President-elect Obama at a time when the
country is largely supportive of his appointments and policies.

The national GOP ticket lost badly in November among many growing
voter groups – including young people, Hispanics and suburbanites.
Party officials says that a voter base consisting of the South plus
social conservatives is not a dependable way to win elections.

In the Republican Plan for Victory that is Saltsman's platform in
the chairman's race, he writes: I believe that countering an
emboldened Democratic Party, led by the Obama-Reid-Pelosi troika,
requires an aggressive national strategy. This campaign's message
cannot depend upon traditional media outlets or communication methods.
It will require building upon new media and developing and mastering
new tactics.

The disclosure by The Hill was met with an odd silence from Republican
leaders. The story was posted at 12:10 p.m. on Friday, was quickly
picked up by Talking Points Memo, and for a time was the banner
headline on The Huffington Post, later replaced by Israeli's strikes
on Gaza.

Duncan issued his statement after Politico noted the party's 22-hour
silence.

Politico has exchanged e-mails with an aide to Saltsman, and will post
a response when it arrives.

Saltsman is a former development director of the National Republican
Senatorial Committee, and was elected chairman of the Tennessee
Republican Party in 1998.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16876.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'How to trip up the ego...'

[TurquoiseB]

Edg, most of this just felt too painful and self-
absorbed for me to read, but from the little I did 
read in this post and the previous one, this doesn't 
seem to be about what you say it's about it all. It 
feels more like you're upset that something YOU 
wrote wasn't received the way you wanted it to be. 

This thing with your You have read it multiple times
and then ponder it before you can possibly understand
it thing wouldn't happen to be how you feel about 
your own writing, would it? Or about how you feel 
about what the reader owes to the writer he's 
reading? 

If so, might I suggest you spend a little time reading 
better writers? The good ones can say it so that pretty
much everyone gets what they're saying on the first
read, with no pondering required and no preparation 
required. I'm not defending this fellow's quote...I'm
just sayin' that I don't get the feeling that you're 
really talking about this fellow's quote. 
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@
 wrote:
 
  its a good quote--
 
 And good means what to you?  Are you saying that this kind of text
 message has any value of significance to daily life without there being
 required a reader who is vastly prepared to resonate with it and,
 indeed, have that blurb's  truth as handy as amalak fruit on the palm of
 that reader's hand with which to project the meaning into the words? 
 The words are useless without a prepared nervous system -- children or
 bumpkins et al cannot be expected to be bettered by the reading of the
 message, so unless there's a specific nervous system being targeted,
 only sold-out Abraham followers could be expected to grok the purport of
 the message.  And then, even then, only the s0-called enlightened ones
 can be relied upon to really ferret out the purport -- no follower of
 Abraham would think his message was so clearly understood that they
 could write it out in their own words and have it be as authentic as
 Abraham's statement -- just like TMers thinking only Maharishi could
 comment on the Gita.  Hence, why post the blurb except as an attention
 getter for Robert?
 
 If all you're saying is that the text conveys a meaning that an ordinary
 English speaking person can take a test on the content of the message
 and get C+ or higher rating from Abraham, then the posting of the blurb
 becomes  almost trollishwell, okay, trollish period.  Clearly, any
 posting has the onus of being reasonably expected to deliver some sort
 of edification/value, but what is that value to the unprepared, the
 un-sold-outers, or  the sold-out-to-something-elsers?  Again, what is
 good?  The reading of it cannot be scientifically measured to show
 improvements of consciousness, so it would be an act of faith only to
 read this message and hope to gain from the  reading of it.  The message
 in no way instructs one how to apply this knowledge -- quick, how do you
 get a gallon of non-physical energy to wash off the day's dirt from the
 soul?  See?  Like my facecious question, it's gobbledeegook.
 
 what it means is that the state of natural grace
  is one of not resisting, of acceptance,
 
 Pure poetry -- snakeoil talk actually.   The best minds on the planet
 cannot define the words of your statement with any consistency amongst
 their various interpretations.  You're defending poety with merely more
 poetry.  (Hey, you're not talking about congnative dissonance are you? 
 Don't think so.)
 
   and in order to live in that
  state requires an ego,
 
 So, even though the world's gurus are screaming dump the ego, kill
 the ego, my ego is dead, etc., you're saying that the ego has a
 spiritual functionality that is necessary.  Care to tussle  with the
 great minds about which side of that fence one should adopt?  Don't
 bother, because it's JUST WORDS.
 
 a sense of self,
 
 All the gurus say the self cannot be sensed.so again, this  is
 poetry --  the words sense and self can have many meanings.
 
 an enjoyment of ourselves as
  individuals.
 
 Again, poetry; for how can the self enjoy the self -- are there two
 selves such that we can posit one of them as the object of the other's
 awareness?  Corelatively, are the selves of others somehow defined as
 different from other selves such that they can be distinguished from
 each other?  And if one self can be aware of other selves yet not be
 expected to be enlightened and have a nervous system capable of this
 astoundingly subtle feat, the whole logical structure is bogus.   How
 can I know another if I don't know my own self purely?
 
 However, this sense of ourselves can also be used prior
  to living this state of grace,
 
 Poetry.  A state of grace is knowing the self, but you can have grace
 without knowning the self -- to dwell upon this only makes sense if
 we're in a Zen temple and doing a koan.  And how can a sense of anything
 be used without decades of practice in an 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'How to trip up the ego...'

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 Edg, most of this just felt too painful and self-
 absorbed for me to read, but from the little I did 
 read in this post and the previous one, this doesn't 
 seem to be about what you say it's about it all. It 
 feels more like you're upset that something YOU 
 wrote wasn't received the way you wanted it to be.

Translation: I haven't fulfilled my quota of bashing
people yet today, and I'm beginning to feel the
withdrawal symptoms I get when I haven't been able to
blast off enough of my bad feelings onto somebody else.

So even though I haven't read what Edg wrote and have
no idea what he was talking about, I'm just going to
make up something to bash him with. I can even use
something I've bashed him about before; I'm sure it's
still a sore spot, even if it isn't at all what he's
saying here.

After all, the point is to make him feel bad about
himself so that I can feel better about myself.

-

NOTE: No, there's nothing whatever in Edg's post
that suggests he's upset that something he wrote
wasn't received the way he wanted it to be. It's
about people posting blurbs from gurus that
aren't helpful out of context.

One even wonders whether Barry's post is really
about *Barry* being upset because something he
wrote wasn't received the way he wanted it to be.

[FairfieldLife] On Loving America

[do.rflex]

Joel Stein writes on how conservatives love America in The Los
Angeles Times, arguing that in a sense conservatives do love American
more than liberals. This love is in a tribalistic sense, out of
birthplace convenience.


I still think conservatives love America for the same tribalistic 
reasons people love whatever groups they belong to. These are the 
people who are sure Christianity is the only right religion, that 
America is the best country, that the Republicans have the only 
good candidates, that gays have cooties.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-stein26-2008dec26,0,5178459.column


The difference is that conservatives think loving one's country means
defending it no matter what. For example, a conservative responds to
reports of torture or violations of the Geneva Conventions by
attacking those who release such information and justifying the
actions, not by considering what America really stands for.

The love for America felt by liberals is a far more meaningful form of
love. Liberals love America despite knowing their country has faults,
and are willing to work to correct those faults. This is what it takes
to have a have and maintain a great country. 

The blind form of love expressed by conservatives is a pathway towards
decadence and destruction of what makes America great.

Liberals love the ideals America was founded upon, and hold our
current government to those ideals. This is exactly what the Founding
Fathers would have expected of us.

I love American because of the civil liberties which were guaranteed
by our Founding Fathers. Conservatives often attack those who defend
civil liberties out of a blind love for authority, which is not really
the same as loving America.

I love America for its heritage of separation of church and state as
promoted by the Founding Fathers when they formed a secular
government. While this view is clear in the writings of the Founding
Fathers, along with many court decisions, the religious right has been
promoting a revisionist history which denies this. Loving America
means respecting such important principles, not attempting to rewrite
our history.

I love our free market system which gives everyone the opportunity to
achieve wealth and prosperity. Therefore I oppose perversions of this
system which conservatives have promoted, such as Dick Cheney's Energy
Task Force and the K Street Project.

Liberals who love America responded to the 9/11 attack by seeking
bipartisan unity to defend the country and respond to those who
attacked us. 

Republicans instead took advantage of 9/11 as an excuse to pursue
their preexisting goals on foreign policy and restriction of civil
liberties while promoting a course which led to a weakening of
America's role in the world. For a group which claims to love America,
the right has done a remarkable job of undermining both our national
security and moral authority in the world.

The love for America felt by liberals, and the principles our country
was founded upon, is necessary to preserve our nation as envisioned by
the Founding Fathers. 

The tribalistic love for America felt by conservatives would give us
the America of McCarthyism. Nixon and Watergate, and the Bush/Cheney
years. This would be an American where civil liberties are ignored,
the free market is replaced by crony capitalism, and those who
disagree are told to either love their version of America or leave it.

~~ by Ron Chusid - http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=6340

[FairfieldLife] Physicists prefer the Mac OS

[Vaj]

 “When you look around a physics conference now, you see more Macs  
than anything else,” says Cox. “I think that's because they're  
essentially UNIX, and that makes it very easy for everybody who's used  
UNIX in particle physics for the past 20 or 30 years. There's a huge  
code base. We're still using programs written in Fortran quite a lot— 
programs that were written in the '70s and '80s—and they compile  
directly on the Mac. It's very easy to do, as opposed to Windows,  
where it's just a pain to compile all the old legacy programs.”


http://www.apple.com/science/profiles/briancox/?sr=hotnews

[FairfieldLife] Re: Physicists prefer the Mac OS

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

   When you look around a physics conference now, you see more Macs  
 than anything else, says Cox. I think that's because they're  
 essentially UNIX, and that makes it very easy for everybody who's used  
 UNIX in particle physics for the past 20 or 30 years. There's a huge  
 code base. We're still using programs written in Fortran quite a lot— 
 programs that were written in the '70s and '80s—and they compile  
 directly on the Mac. It's very easy to do, as opposed to Windows,  
 where it's just a pain to compile all the old legacy programs.
 
 http://www.apple.com/science/profiles/briancox/?sr=hotnews

Not really related...just two quotes about computing
I stumbled across today, by two of the inventors of
computing:

The question of whether computers can think is like 
the question of whether submarines can swim.
- Edsger Dijkstra 

I have always wished that my computer would be as 
easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. 
I no longer know how to use my telephone.
-- Bjarne Stroustrup, inventor of the C++ programming language

Re: [FairfieldLife] Physicists prefer the Mac OS

[Vaj]

On Dec 27, 2008, at 6:13 PM, Vaj wrote:

 “When you look around a physics conference now, you see more Macs  
than anything else,” says Cox. “I think that's because they're  
essentially UNIX, and that makes it very easy for everybody who's  
used UNIX in particle physics for the past 20 or 30 years. There's a  
huge code base. We're still using programs written in Fortran quite  
a lot—programs that were written in the '70s and '80s—and they  
compile directly on the Mac. It's very easy to do, as opposed to  
Windows, where it's just a pain to compile all the old legacy  
programs.”


http://www.apple.com/science/profiles/briancox/?sr=hotnews



I neglected to put Cox's TED talk link, which is quite good. I believe  
that's karma-yogi Larry Brilliant in the audience shot, sitting in the  
front row.


http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/brian_cox_on_cern_s_supercollider.html

LINK

[FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality spot found in brain

[dhamiltony2k5]

 Spirituality Spot Found in Brain
They
 then looked for 
correlations between brain region performance and  
the
 subjects' self-reported spirituality.

 that 'best' hard hitting meditation from
off the David Lynch TM site, http://tinyurl.com/8dh76d

Would the 'best' for your health also be spiritual in practice like 
some other meditation practice?  

Are TM-researchers measuring the wrong or a different thing?


paste 
Just as there are many kinds of medication, there are also many 
approaches that are termed `meditation.' 

The vast majority of the research on meditation has been on 
Transcendental Meditation—and the findings clearly indicate that TM 
works better than other researched mental techniques to promote 
health.

 If research shows that a specific medication helps treat a disorder, 
it would be irresponsible and illogical to conclude that all 
medications help treat that disorder. In the same way, research on TM 
should not be generalized to include other techniques also 
called `meditation.' We should intelligently choose what works and 
what is supported by research. Therefore I strongly support the 
introduction specifically of Transcendental Meditation into our 
nation's schools and health care systems.

http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/research/scientific-evidence-that-
the-program-works.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, min.pige min.p...@... wrote:

 Spirituality Spot Found in Brain
 
 By Robin Nixon
 Special to LiveScience
 LiveScience.com robin Nixon
 special To Livescience
 livescience.com †Wed Dec 24, 9:19 am ET
 
 What makes us feel spiritual? It could be the quieting of a small 
area
 in our brains, a new study suggests.
 
 The area in question - the right parietal lobe - is responsible for
 defining Me, said researcher Brick Johnstone of Missouri 
University.
 It generates self-criticism, he said, and guides us through physical
 and social terrains by constantly updating our self-knowledge: my
 hand, my cocktail, my witty conversation skills, my new love 
interest ...
 
 People with less active Me-Definers are more likely to lead 
spiritual
 lives, reports the study in the current issue of the journal Zygon.
 
 Most previous research on neuro-spirituality has been based on brain
 scans of actively practicing adherents (i.e. meditating monks, 
praying
 nuns) and has resulted in broad and inconclusive findings. (Is the
 brain area lighting up in response to verse or spiritual 
experience?)
 
 So Johnstone and colleague Bret Glass turned to the tried-and-true
 techniques of neuroscience's early days - studying brain-injured
 patients. The researchers tested brain regions implicated in the
 previous imaging studies with exams tailored to each area's 
expertise
 - similar to studying the prowess of an ear with a hearing test. 
They
 then looked for correlations between brain region performance and 
the
 subjects' self-reported spirituality.
 
 Among the more spiritual of the 26 subjects, the researchers
 pinpointed a less functional right parietal lobe, a physical state
 which may translate psychologically as decreased self-awareness and
 self-focus.
 
 The finding suggests that one core tenant of spiritual experience is
 selflessness, said Johnstone, adding that he hopes the study will
 help people think about spirituality in more specific ways.
 
 Spiritual outlooks have long been associated with better mental and
 physical health. These benefits, Johnstone speculated, may stem from
 being focused less on one's self and more on others - a natural
 consequence of turning down the volume on the Me-Definer.
 
 In addition to religious practices, other behaviors and experiences
 are known to hush the Definer of Me. Appreciation of art or nature 
can
 quiet it, Johnstone said, pointing out that people talk of losing
 themselves in a particularly beautiful song. Love, and even charity
 work, can also soften the boundaries of Me, he said.
 
 The greatest silencing of the Me-Definer likely happens in the 
deepest
 states of meditation or prayer, said Johnstone, when practitioners
 describe feeling seamless with the entire universe.
 That is, the highest point of spiritual experience occurs when Me
 completely loses its definition.
 
 If you look in the Torah, the Old Testament, the New Testament, in
 the Koran, a lot of Sufi writings, Buddhist writings, and Hindu
 writings, they all talk about selflessness, said Johnstone.
 
 We may be finding the neurological underpinnings of these writings, 
he
 said.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[Peter L Sutphen]

I feel so unloved! ;-)

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2008, at 3:22 PM, I am the eternal l.shad...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 2:18 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal
l.shad...@... wrote:
snip
At first I thought the post count was a good idea.
No longer are Peter and others using FFL as an IM,
posting inanities every couple of minutes, posting
dozens in non-sequitors a day.

FWIW, I don't recall Peter *ever* doing this. He posts
plenty of inane one-liners, but hardly dozens a day.
And he rarely even comes close to the 50-post limit.


That's because you were posting as the Author's Friend on Usenet at
the time.  I don't quite remember the timeframe but it was perhaps 3
to 5 years ago.  But trust me, it was really bad.  I wondered what
Peter really did for a living he spammed this group so much, as did
others.  Rudra Joe was another of the heavily contributors at the
time.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[I am the eternal]

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Peter L Sutphen
drpetersutp...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I feel so unloved! ;-)

 Sent from my iPhone


Yes, it's understandable, Pete.  People who buy iPhones (even if we
get an IRS write off for it) do so because they feel unloved.

[FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality spot found in brain

[dhamiltony2k5]

Are TM-researchers measuring the wrong or a different thing?


  Spirituality Spot Found in Brain

This study, along with other recent neuroradiological studies of 
Buddhist meditators and Francescan nuns, suggests that all 
individuals, regardless of cultural background or religion, 
experience the same neuropsychological functions during spiritual 
experiences, such as transcendence. Transcendence, feelings of 
universal unity and decreased sense of self, is a core tenet of all 
major religions. Meditation and prayer are the primary vehicles by 
which such spiritual transcendence is achieved.

The brain functions in a certain way during spiritual experiences,


  that 'best' hard hitting meditation from
 off the David Lynch TM site, http://tinyurl.com/8dh76d
 
 Would the 'best' for your health also be spiritual in practice like 
 some other meditation practice?  
 
 Are TM-researchers measuring the wrong or a different thing?
 
 
 paste 
 Just as there are many kinds of medication, there are also many 
 approaches that are termed `meditation.' 
 
 The vast majority of the research on meditation has been on 
 Transcendental Meditation—and the findings clearly indicate that TM 
 works better than other researched mental techniques to promote 
 health.
 
  If research shows that a specific medication helps treat a 
disorder, 
 it would be irresponsible and illogical to conclude that all 
 medications help treat that disorder. In the same way, research on 
TM 
 should not be generalized to include other techniques also 
 called `meditation.' We should intelligently choose what works and 
 what is supported by research. Therefore I strongly support the 
 introduction specifically of Transcendental Meditation into our 
 nation's schools and health care systems.
 
 http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/research/scientific-evidence-
that-
 the-program-works.html
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, min.pige min.pige@ wrote:
 
  Spirituality Spot Found in Brain
  
  By Robin Nixon
  Special to LiveScience
  LiveScience.com robin Nixon
  special To Livescience
  livescience.com †Wed Dec 24, 9:19 am ET
  
  What makes us feel spiritual? It could be the quieting of a small 
 area
  in our brains, a new study suggests.
  
  The area in question - the right parietal lobe - is responsible 
for
  defining Me, said researcher Brick Johnstone of Missouri 
 University.
  It generates self-criticism, he said, and guides us through 
physical
  and social terrains by constantly updating our self-knowledge: my
  hand, my cocktail, my witty conversation skills, my new love 
 interest ...
  
  People with less active Me-Definers are more likely to lead 
 spiritual
  lives, reports the study in the current issue of the journal 
Zygon.
  
  Most previous research on neuro-spirituality has been based on 
brain
  scans of actively practicing adherents (i.e. meditating monks, 
 praying
  nuns) and has resulted in broad and inconclusive findings. (Is the
  brain area lighting up in response to verse or spiritual 
 experience?)
  
  So Johnstone and colleague Bret Glass turned to the tried-and-true
  techniques of neuroscience's early days - studying brain-injured
  patients. The researchers tested brain regions implicated in the
  previous imaging studies with exams tailored to each area's 
 expertise
  - similar to studying the prowess of an ear with a hearing test. 
 They
  then looked for correlations between brain region performance and 
 the
  subjects' self-reported spirituality.
  
  Among the more spiritual of the 26 subjects, the researchers
  pinpointed a less functional right parietal lobe, a physical state
  which may translate psychologically as decreased self-awareness 
and
  self-focus.
  
  The finding suggests that one core tenant of spiritual experience 
is
  selflessness, said Johnstone, adding that he hopes the study will
  help people think about spirituality in more specific ways.
  
  Spiritual outlooks have long been associated with better mental 
and
  physical health. These benefits, Johnstone speculated, may stem 
from
  being focused less on one's self and more on others - a natural
  consequence of turning down the volume on the Me-Definer.
  
  In addition to religious practices, other behaviors and 
experiences
  are known to hush the Definer of Me. Appreciation of art or 
nature 
 can
  quiet it, Johnstone said, pointing out that people talk of losing
  themselves in a particularly beautiful song. Love, and even 
charity
  work, can also soften the boundaries of Me, he said.
  
  The greatest silencing of the Me-Definer likely happens in the 
 deepest
  states of meditation or prayer, said Johnstone, when practitioners
  describe feeling seamless with the entire universe.
  That is, the highest point of spiritual experience occurs 
when Me
  completely loses its definition.
  
  If you look in the Torah, the Old Testament, the New Testament, 
in
  the Koran, a lot of Sufi writings, Buddhist 

[FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality spot found in brain

[dhamiltony2k5]

Selflessness -- Core Of All Major World Religions -- Has
Neuropsychological Connection



Or directly from:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081217124156.htm

Also
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/202563




 Are TM-researchers measuring the wrong or a different thing?
 
 
   Spirituality Spot Found in Brain
 
 This study, along with other recent neuroradiological studies of 
 Buddhist meditators and Francescan nuns, suggests that all 
 individuals, regardless of cultural background or religion, 
 experience the same neuropsychological functions during spiritual 
 experiences, such as transcendence. Transcendence, feelings of 
 universal unity and decreased sense of self, is a core tenet of all 
 major religions. Meditation and prayer are the primary vehicles by 
 which such spiritual transcendence is achieved.
 
 The brain functions in a certain way during spiritual 
experiences,
 
 
   that 'best' hard hitting meditation from
  off the David Lynch TM site, http://tinyurl.com/8dh76d
  
  Would the 'best' for your health also be spiritual in practice 
like 
  some other meditation practice?  
  
  Are TM-researchers measuring the wrong or a different thing?
  
  
  paste 
  Just as there are many kinds of medication, there are also many 
  approaches that are termed `meditation.' 
  
  The vast majority of the research on meditation has been on 
  Transcendental Meditation—and the findings clearly indicate that 
TM 
  works better than other researched mental techniques to promote 
  health.
  
   If research shows that a specific medication helps treat a 
 disorder, 
  it would be irresponsible and illogical to conclude that all 
  medications help treat that disorder. In the same way, research 
on 
 TM 
  should not be generalized to include other techniques also 
  called `meditation.' We should intelligently choose what works 
and 
  what is supported by research. Therefore I strongly support the 
  introduction specifically of Transcendental Meditation into our 
  nation's schools and health care systems.
  
  http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/research/scientific-evidence-
 that-
  the-program-works.html
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, min.pige min.pige@ 
wrote:
  
   Spirituality Spot Found in Brain
   
   By Robin Nixon
   Special to LiveScience
   LiveScience.com robin Nixon
   special To Livescience
   livescience.com †Wed Dec 24, 9:19 am ET
   
   What makes us feel spiritual? It could be the quieting of a 
small 
  area
   in our brains, a new study suggests.
   
   The area in question - the right parietal lobe - is responsible 
 for
   defining Me, said researcher Brick Johnstone of Missouri 
  University.
   It generates self-criticism, he said, and guides us through 
 physical
   and social terrains by constantly updating our self-knowledge: 
my
   hand, my cocktail, my witty conversation skills, my new love 
  interest ...
   
   People with less active Me-Definers are more likely to lead 
  spiritual
   lives, reports the study in the current issue of the journal 
 Zygon.
   
   Most previous research on neuro-spirituality has been based on 
 brain
   scans of actively practicing adherents (i.e. meditating monks, 
  praying
   nuns) and has resulted in broad and inconclusive findings. (Is 
the
   brain area lighting up in response to verse or spiritual 
  experience?)
   
   So Johnstone and colleague Bret Glass turned to the tried-and-
true
   techniques of neuroscience's early days - studying brain-injured
   patients. The researchers tested brain regions implicated in the
   previous imaging studies with exams tailored to each area's 
  expertise
   - similar to studying the prowess of an ear with a hearing 
test. 
  They
   then looked for correlations between brain region performance 
and 
  the
   subjects' self-reported spirituality.
   
   Among the more spiritual of the 26 subjects, the researchers
   pinpointed a less functional right parietal lobe, a physical 
state
   which may translate psychologically as decreased self-awareness 
 and
   self-focus.
   
   The finding suggests that one core tenant of spiritual 
experience 
 is
   selflessness, said Johnstone, adding that he hopes the 
study will
   help people think about spirituality in more specific ways.
   
   Spiritual outlooks have long been associated with better mental 
 and
   physical health. These benefits, Johnstone speculated, may stem 
 from
   being focused less on one's self and more on others - a natural
   consequence of turning down the volume on the Me-Definer.
   
   In addition to religious practices, other behaviors and 
 experiences
   are known to hush the Definer of Me. Appreciation of art or 
 nature 
  can
   quiet it, Johnstone said, pointing out that people talk 
of losing
   themselves in a particularly beautiful song. Love, and even 
 charity
   work, can also soften the boundaries of Me, he said.
   
   The greatest silencing of the Me-Definer 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditations for Bliss by Osho

[yifuxero]

---.Thinking of Nothing (blank mind?)?
 There's no necessary connection to Transcendence.  Dead people have 
blank minds.

 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dan hawkeye422...@... wrote:

 
  thanks i enjoyed
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Meditations for Bliss
  　
  Feel Your Body as Empty
  Suppose your passive form to be an empty room with walls of
 skin…but inside, everything empty. This is one of the most
 beautiful techniques. Just sit in a meditative posture, relaxed, 
alone,
 your backbone straight and the whole body relaxed ? as if the whole 
body
 is hanging on the backbone. Then close your eyes. For a few moments 
go
 on feeling relaxed, more relaxed, becoming calmer and calmer and 
calmer.
  Do this for a few moments, just to be in tune. And then suddenly 
start
 feeling your body is just walls of skin and there is nothing inside,
 there is no one inside, the house is vacant. Sometimes you will feel
 thoughts passing, clouds of thoughts moving, but don't think that 
they
 belong to you.. You are not. Just think that they are roaming in a
 vacant sky ? they don't belong to anyone, they don't have any roots.
  Really this is the case: thoughts are just like clouds moving in 
the
 sky. They don't have any roots and they don't belong to the sky, 
they
 simply roam in the sky. They come and they go and the sky remains
 untouched, uninfluenced.
  Feel that your body is just walls of skin and there is no one 
inside.
 Thoughts will still continue ? because of old habit, old momentum, 
old
 cooperation, thoughts will go on coming. But just think that they 
are
 rootless clouds moving in space ? they don't belong to you, they 
don't
 belong to anybody else. There is no one to whom they can belong ? 
you
 are empty. It will be difficult, but because of the old habits, 
nothing
 else. Your mind would like to catch some thought, be identified 
with it,
 move with it, enjoy it, indulge in it.
  Resist!
  Just say there is no one to indulge, there is no one to fight, 
there
 is no one to do anything with this thought.Within a few days, a few
 weeks, thoughts will slow down, they will become less and less. The
 clouds will start disappearing, or, even if they come, there will be
 great gaps of cloudless sky when there will be no thought.
  One thought will pass. Then another will not come for a period. 
Then
 another will come and then there will again be an interval. In those
 intervals you will know for the first time what emptiness is. And 
the
 very glimpse of it will fill you with such deep bliss you cannot
 imagine.
  Think of Nothing
  Thinking, you are separated from existence. Thinking is not a
 relation, it is not a bridge, it is not a communication ? it is a
 barrier. Non-thinking you are related, bridged; you are in 
communion.
 When you are talking to someone, you are not related. The very talk
 becomes a barrier. The more you talk, the further away you move.. 
If you
 are with someone in silence, you are related. If the silence is 
really
 deep and there are no thoughts in your mind and both the minds are
 totally silent, you are one.
  Whenever you are silent with someone, you are one.
  When you are silent with existence, you are one with it.
  This technique says be silent with existence and then you will 
know
 what God is. There is only one dialogue with existence and that is 
in
 silence. If you talk with existence, you miss. Then you are 
enveloped in
 your own thoughts.
  Try this as an experiment. Try it with anything  even with a 
rock.
 Be silent with it  take it in your hand and be silent  and there
 will be a communion. You will move deep into the rock and the rock 
will
 move deep into you.
  Your secrets will be revealed to the rock and the rock will 
reveal its
 secrets to you. But you cannot use language with it. The rock 
doesn't
 know any language.Confined in thoughts you will be in misery.
 Unconfined, beyond thoughts  alert, conscious, aware, but unclouded
 by thoughts  you will be joy, you will be bliss.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM

[Peter]

--- On Sat, 12/27/08, Richard J. Williams willy...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Richard J. Williams willy...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 11:02 AM
 Peter wrote:
  Deep love or deep hatred are attachments that 
  can lead to transcendence depending upon whom 
  or what one is attached to. 
 
 This doesn't even make any sense. How can an
 'attachment' lead to transcendence? Anytime
 that you have an attachment, you're that much
 further from *isolating* the Purusha, the goal
 of Yoga. 
 
 If TMers were attached to their bija mantra, 
 then they could never go beyond sense 
 perception. The idea behing Yoga is to get 
 burn off all attachments, including love and 
 hate, to get rid of the samskaras.
 
 You are not going to get anymore enlightenment
 than you are going to get, so just stop all
 the striving - don't become attached and 
 identify with the prakriti - you need to 
 isolate the Transcendental Person.

I agree with you on first blush, as it were: attachments are indicative of 
bondage. But attachments can be transcended through complete and total 
identification. Maharishi called this riding the tiger of time. SSRS also talks 
about this as being totally 100% in what you do. Amma also talked about the 
path of duality leading to unity. Its completely tantric, but we don't have to 
move into that domain. Look at the mind's identification with the mantra. It 
transcends time and space boundaries. Be completely attached to a Sat guru. 
This is what MMY did with Guru Dev. We, in the TMO, are so used to a 
transcendent spirituality; a Shaivite approach, that we tend not to understand 
the Vaishite approach (using this term very broadly) of movement through 
boundaries.

Another perspective, more aligned with your thoughts, would be attachment to a 
vehicle that transcends. This would be attachment to a sattvic vehicle. Sattva 
is that which supports. Authenticity is inherently sattvic. Enlightenment 
through being completely authentic and present with what simply is regardless 
of our relationship to it.  



 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditations for Bliss by Osho

[Peter]

A blank mind leads to either the clear apperception of the I thought or a 
mental laya which is not a good thing because its a condition of identification 
that superficially calms the mind but is not liberation. Once, through usually 
years, decades of yogic practices the vrittis of the chitta can be successfully 
calmed, the intellect still need that final discrimination of Self 
(consciousness)/self (identification) to occur.  


--- On Sat, 12/27/08, yifuxero yifux...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: yifuxero yifux...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditations for Bliss by Osho
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 8:06 PM
 ---.Thinking of Nothing (blank mind?)?
  There's no necessary connection to Transcendence. 
 Dead people have 
 blank minds.
 
  In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dan
 hawkeye422...@... wrote:
 
  
   thanks i enjoyed
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   Meditations for Bliss
   　
   Feel Your Body as Empty
   Suppose your passive form to be an empty room
 with walls of
  skin…but inside, everything empty. This is one
 of the most
  beautiful techniques. Just sit in a meditative
 posture, relaxed, 
 alone,
  your backbone straight and the whole body relaxed ? as
 if the whole 
 body
  is hanging on the backbone. Then close your eyes. For
 a few moments 
 go
  on feeling relaxed, more relaxed, becoming calmer and
 calmer and 
 calmer.
   Do this for a few moments, just to be in tune.
 And then suddenly 
 start
  feeling your body is just walls of skin and there is
 nothing inside,
  there is no one inside, the house is vacant. Sometimes
 you will feel
  thoughts passing, clouds of thoughts moving, but
 don't think that 
 they
  belong to you.. You are not. Just think that they are
 roaming in a
  vacant sky ? they don't belong to anyone, they
 don't have any roots.
   Really this is the case: thoughts are just like
 clouds moving in 
 the
  sky. They don't have any roots and they don't
 belong to the sky, 
 they
  simply roam in the sky. They come and they go and the
 sky remains
  untouched, uninfluenced.
   Feel that your body is just walls of skin and
 there is no one 
 inside.
  Thoughts will still continue ? because of old habit,
 old momentum, 
 old
  cooperation, thoughts will go on coming. But just
 think that they 
 are
  rootless clouds moving in space ? they don't
 belong to you, they 
 don't
  belong to anybody else. There is no one to whom they
 can belong ? 
 you
  are empty. It will be difficult, but because of the
 old habits, 
 nothing
  else. Your mind would like to catch some thought, be
 identified 
 with it,
  move with it, enjoy it, indulge in it.
   Resist!
   Just say there is no one to indulge, there is no
 one to fight, 
 there
  is no one to do anything with this thought.Within a
 few days, a few
  weeks, thoughts will slow down, they will become less
 and less. The
  clouds will start disappearing, or, even if they come,
 there will be
  great gaps of cloudless sky when there will be no
 thought.
   One thought will pass. Then another will not come
 for a period. 
 Then
  another will come and then there will again be an
 interval. In those
  intervals you will know for the first time what
 emptiness is. And 
 the
  very glimpse of it will fill you with such deep bliss
 you cannot
  imagine.
   Think of Nothing
   Thinking, you are separated from existence.
 Thinking is not a
  relation, it is not a bridge, it is not a
 communication ? it is a
  barrier. Non-thinking you are related, bridged; you
 are in 
 communion.
  When you are talking to someone, you are not related.
 The very talk
  becomes a barrier. The more you talk, the further away
 you move.. 
 If you
  are with someone in silence, you are related. If the
 silence is 
 really
  deep and there are no thoughts in your mind and both
 the minds are
  totally silent, you are one.
   Whenever you are silent with someone, you are
 one.
   When you are silent with existence, you are one
 with it.
   This technique says be silent with existence and
 then you will 
 know
  what God is. There is only one dialogue with existence
 and that is 
 in
  silence. If you talk with existence, you miss. Then
 you are 
 enveloped in
  your own thoughts.
   Try this as an experiment. Try it with anythingÂ
  even with a 
 rock.
  Be silent with it  take it in your hand and be
 silent  and there
  will be a communion. You will move deep into the rock
 and the rock 
 will
  move deep into you.
   Your secrets will be revealed to the rock and the
 rock will 
 reveal its
  secrets to you. But you cannot use language with it.
 The rock 
 doesn't
  know any language.Confined in thoughts you will be in
 misery.
  Unconfined, beyond thoughts  alert, conscious,
 aware, but unclouded
  by thoughts  you will be joy, you will be bliss.
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] GOP chair 'appalled' by 'Magic Negro' CD

[Sal Sunshine]

On Dec 27, 2008, at 3:27 PM, do.rflex wrote:

 Duncan's statement, in full: The 2008 election was a wake-up call for
 Republicans to reach out and bring more people into our party. I am
 shocked and appalled that anyone would think this is appropriate as it
 clearly does not move us in the right direction.

Hard to believe-- the Repugs have been dishing out this divisive
crap for decades now, it's all they have left, and is oh so
much easier than coming up with some actual solutions.  More likely
he's just appalled they got
caught.  I wouldn't expect any new direction any time soon.

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[Sal Sunshine]

On Dec 27, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Peter L Sutphen wrote:

 I feel so unloved! ;-)

 Sent from my iPhone

Well, if you're thinking of doing anything drastic,  can
I have first dibs on your iPhone?

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditations for Bliss by Osho

[Arhata Osho]

As do babies and those 'unattached to the 
mind'.
Arhata












---.Thinking of Nothing (blank mind?)?

 There's no necessary connection to Transcendence.  Dead people have 

blank minds.



In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, dan hawkeye422001@ ... wrote:



 

  thanks i enjoyed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  Meditations for Bliss

  　

  Feel Your Body as Empty

  Suppose your passive form to be an empty room with walls of

 skin…but inside, everything empty. This is one of the most

 beautiful techniques. Just sit in a meditative posture, relaxed, 

alone,

 your backbone straight and the whole body relaxed ? as if the whole 

body

 is hanging on the backbone. Then close your eyes. For a few moments 

go

 on feeling relaxed, more relaxed, becoming calmer and calmer and 

calmer.

  Do this for a few moments, just to be in tune. And then suddenly 

start

 feeling your body is just walls of skin and there is nothing inside,

 there is no one inside, the house is vacant. Sometimes you will feel

 thoughts passing, clouds of thoughts moving, but don't think that 

they

 belong to you.. You are not. Just think that they are roaming in a

 vacant sky ? they don't belong to anyone, they don't have any roots.

  Really this is the case: thoughts are just like clouds moving in 

the

 sky. They don't have any roots and they don't belong to the sky, 

they

 simply roam in the sky. They come and they go and the sky remains

 untouched, uninfluenced.

  Feel that your body is just walls of skin and there is no one 

inside.

 Thoughts will still continue ? because of old habit, old momentum, 

old

 cooperation, thoughts will go on coming. But just think that they 

are

 rootless clouds moving in space ? they don't belong to you, they 

don't

 belong to anybody else. There is no one to whom they can belong ? 

you

 are empty. It will be difficult, but because of the old habits, 

nothing

 else. Your mind would like to catch some thought, be identified 

with it,

 move with it, enjoy it, indulge in it.

  Resist!

  Just say there is no one to indulge, there is no one to fight, 

there

 is no one to do anything with this thought.Within a few days, a few

 weeks, thoughts will slow down, they will become less and less. The

 clouds will start disappearing, or, even if they come, there will be

 great gaps of cloudless sky when there will be no thought.

  One thought will pass. Then another will not come for a period. 

Then

 another will come and then there will again be an interval. In those

 intervals you will know for the first time what emptiness is. And 

the

 very glimpse of it will fill you with such deep bliss you cannot

 imagine.

  Think of Nothing

  Thinking, you are separated from existence. Thinking is not a

 relation, it is not a bridge, it is not a communication ? it is a

 barrier. Non-thinking you are related, bridged; you are in 

communion.

 When you are talking to someone, you are not related. The very talk

 becomes a barrier. The more you talk, the further away you move.. 

If you

 are with someone in silence, you are related. If the silence is 

really

 deep and there are no thoughts in your mind and both the minds are

 totally silent, you are one.

  Whenever you are silent with someone, you are one.

  When you are silent with existence, you are one with it.

  This technique says be silent with existence and then you will 

know

 what God is. There is only one dialogue with existence and that is 

in

 silence. If you talk with existence, you miss. Then you are 

enveloped in

 your own thoughts.

  Try this as an experiment. Try it with anything  even with a 

rock.

 Be silent with it  take it in your hand and be silent  and there

 will be a communion. You will move deep into the rock and the rock 

will

 move deep into you.

  Your secrets will be revealed to the rock and the rock will 

reveal its

 secrets to you. But you cannot use language with it. The rock 

doesn't

 know any language.Confined in thoughts you will be in misery.

 Unconfined, beyond thoughts  alert, conscious, aware, but unclouded

 by thoughts  you will be joy, you will be bliss.

 






  




 

















  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditations for Bliss by Osho

[Arhata Osho]

As do babies and those 'unattached to the 
mind'.
Arhata












---.Thinking of Nothing (blank mind?)?

 There's no necessary connection to Transcendence.  Dead people have 

blank minds.



In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, dan hawkeye422001@ ... wrote:



 

  thanks i enjoyed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  Meditations for Bliss

  　

  Feel Your Body as Empty

  Suppose your passive form to be an empty room with walls of

 skin…but inside, everything empty. This is one of the most

 beautiful techniques. Just sit in a meditative posture, relaxed, 

alone,

 your backbone straight and the whole body relaxed ? as if the whole 

body

 is hanging on the backbone. Then close your eyes. For a few moments 

go

 on feeling relaxed, more relaxed, becoming calmer and calmer and 

calmer.

  Do this for a few moments, just to be in tune. And then suddenly 

start

 feeling your body is just walls of skin and there is nothing inside,

 there is no one inside, the house is vacant. Sometimes you will feel

 thoughts passing, clouds of thoughts moving, but don't think that 

they

 belong to you.. You are not. Just think that they are roaming in a

 vacant sky ? they don't belong to anyone, they don't have any roots.

  Really this is the case: thoughts are just like clouds moving in 

the

 sky. They don't have any roots and they don't belong to the sky, 

they

 simply roam in the sky. They come and they go and the sky remains

 untouched, uninfluenced.

  Feel that your body is just walls of skin and there is no one 

inside.

 Thoughts will still continue ? because of old habit, old momentum, 

old

 cooperation, thoughts will go on coming. But just think that they 

are

 rootless clouds moving in space ? they don't belong to you, they 

don't

 belong to anybody else. There is no one to whom they can belong ? 

you

 are empty. It will be difficult, but because of the old habits, 

nothing

 else. Your mind would like to catch some thought, be identified 

with it,

 move with it, enjoy it, indulge in it.

  Resist!

  Just say there is no one to indulge, there is no one to fight, 

there

 is no one to do anything with this thought.Within a few days, a few

 weeks, thoughts will slow down, they will become less and less. The

 clouds will start disappearing, or, even if they come, there will be

 great gaps of cloudless sky when there will be no thought.

  One thought will pass. Then another will not come for a period. 

Then

 another will come and then there will again be an interval. In those

 intervals you will know for the first time what emptiness is. And 

the

 very glimpse of it will fill you with such deep bliss you cannot

 imagine.

  Think of Nothing

  Thinking, you are separated from existence. Thinking is not a

 relation, it is not a bridge, it is not a communication ? it is a

 barrier. Non-thinking you are related, bridged; you are in 

communion.

 When you are talking to someone, you are not related. The very talk

 becomes a barrier. The more you talk, the further away you move.. 

If you

 are with someone in silence, you are related. If the silence is 

really

 deep and there are no thoughts in your mind and both the minds are

 totally silent, you are one.

  Whenever you are silent with someone, you are one.

  When you are silent with existence, you are one with it.

  This technique says be silent with existence and then you will 

know

 what God is. There is only one dialogue with existence and that is 

in

 silence. If you talk with existence, you miss. Then you are 

enveloped in

 your own thoughts.

  Try this as an experiment. Try it with anything  even with a 

rock.

 Be silent with it  take it in your hand and be silent  and there

 will be a communion. You will move deep into the rock and the rock 

will

 move deep into you.

  Your secrets will be revealed to the rock and the rock will 

reveal its

 secrets to you. But you cannot use language with it. The rock 

doesn't

 know any language.Confined in thoughts you will be in misery.

 Unconfined, beyond thoughts  alert, conscious, aware, but unclouded

 by thoughts  you will be joy, you will be bliss.

 






  




 

















  

[FairfieldLife] Justification is Weak, Regardless of Israeli Defence

[Arhata Osho]

 



 

















 















































On Saturday, an Israeli offense consisting of more than 250 air attacks dropped 
4,000 bombs within seven hours. 


The border village of Aytarun was hit by 2,000 bombs and almost completely 
destroyed. 


The total death toll from the attacks is approaching 1,000. One third of those 
deaths are from children under 12. 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'How to trip up the ego...'

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote:

 Robert,
 
 Can you put the below into your own words?  I'm betting you can't.
 
 Reason being:  my experience with words like the below is that no one
 really understands them without a tremendous amount of
 extra-thinking about them.  If one doesn't dwell upon them for 
perhaps
 dozens of iterations, the truths that the words are attempting to
 target simply cannot be significantly experienced by the reader's
 mind.   
 (snip)

I agree with you, this was just a 'mind-bender'...
I had the feeling that it wasn't the best post ever, but thought I 
would post it anyway...
Next time, I will take your advice and edit that which I cannot 
explain in my own words...
R.G.

[FairfieldLife] Apple Quicktime Help

[Peter]

I'm trying to download itunes on my computer for the iphone I got from Santa. 
The installation is almost complete when this window pops-up:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\Quicktime

It says that it could not open this key. What to do? Thanks.





  

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'How to trip up the ego...'

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Robert,
  
  Can you put the below into your own words?  I'm betting you can't.
  
  Reason being:  my experience with words like the below is that no one
  really understands them without a tremendous amount of
  extra-thinking about them.  If one doesn't dwell upon them for 
 perhaps
  dozens of iterations, the truths that the words are attempting to
  target simply cannot be significantly experienced by the reader's
  mind.   
  (snip)
 
 I agree with you, this was just a 'mind-bender'...
 I had the feeling that it wasn't the best post ever, but thought I 
 would post it anyway...
 Next time, I will take your advice and edit that which I cannot 
 explain in my own words...
 R.G.

I never heard of Abraham-Hicks so I started Googling. I saw a youtube
video http://tinyurl.com/2v5r28 and a site with some dissatisfied
customers http://tinyurl.com/a3hqdr So far this is about as much
information that I care to process right now. Robert, honey, whatever
floats your boat is fine by me. Bon Voyage.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[Peter L Sutphen]

Yes I did! I haven't had this much fun since I bought my first Mac! 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2008, at 9:36 PM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote:


On Dec 27, 2008, at 7:21 PM, Peter L Sutphen wrote:

I feel so unloved! ;-)

Sent from my iPhone


Did you get an iPhone for Xmas Pete?

In case you're still feeling unloved, here's Vaj's favorite iPhone/iPod Touch 
apps:

http://www.ibirdexplorer.com/
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=298790575mt=8

iBird Explorer. Got it as an Xmas gift. Free upgrades for life. It rocks, and 
strangely, it's the only application I've EVER owned that actually calls birds 
in! I shit you not. Play the bird calls on here outside and the birds respond. 
Great for getting photos (see attached recent example). Conversely, play the 
Bald Eagle sound if you want to clear your yard of birds...

Binaural Beats, Free

http://www.rockifone.com/uncategorized/binaural-beats/

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=295143646mt=8

Have a patient that's about to have a panic attack? Just place your stereo 
headphones on them and tune Binaural Beats to Deep Meditation. You'll be glad 
and so will they. Learn how to change your brainwaves for free. Can be done in 
conjunction with TM or other meditation technique.

SotoTimer, Free

http://www.dopplerradio.net/sototimer/

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=294195022mt=8

A program to bring you into and out of samadhi.

Starmap

http://www.star-map.fr/

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=284408099mt=8

My favorite astronomy program.

Other favs:

iWeathr; Portable Doppler radar. Free.

Epocrates RX; an interactive PDR at your fingertips. Free.

Shazam; Hear a great song on the radio? Hold up the iPhone and it'll name that 
song for you.

Lightsaber; play Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker with unsuspecting colleagues, or 
even better, friends with iPhones who are still learning to use The Force. 
Free. Unless of course you go over to the Dark Side. Then you should send Vaj 
$$$.

P1000691.jpg




  

[FairfieldLife] Re: GOP chair 'appalled' by 'Magic Negro' CD

[raunchydog]

do.rflex, Thanks for posting this. If Saltsman wins the RNC
chairmanship with the help of far right Fundies, Huckabee and Frist,
the Republican xenophobic, homophobic, racist brand is dead. They will
have run out of voters they don't fear and hate. With Saltsman's
leadership, the RNC will fight a losing battle against diversity in
America, which is here to stay, they're just not ready to admit it.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 
 
 The 2008 election was a wake-up call 
 for Republicans to reach out and bring 
 more people into our party. I am shocked 
 and appalled that anyone would think 
 this is appropriate as it clearly does 
 not move us in the right direction.
 
 
 --Republican National Committee Chairman Mike Duncan issued a
 statement Saturday distancing the party's leadership from one of the
 GOP's best-known operatives, Chip Saltsman, who distributed a CD
 containing Barack the Magic Negro as part of his campaign to be
 elected chairman of the Republican National Committee next month.
 
 Duncan, who has served the campaigns of five presidents dating back to
 Richard Nixon, is seeking reelection as the party's 60th chairman in a
 hotly contested race that includes Saltsman and several other viable
 candidates.
 
 Saltsman, 40, was former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee's campaign
 manager during the Republican presidential primaries.
 
 Saltsman sent Republican National Committee members, who will choose
 the next chairman, a CD by conservative political satirist Paul
 Shanklin, We HATE the USA. It contains the controversial track,
 which was popular on conservative radio. Shanklin's Web site promises
 absolutely the best parodies in talk radio.
 
 Duncan's statement, in full: The 2008 election was a wake-up call for
 Republicans to reach out and bring more people into our party. I am
 shocked and appalled that anyone would think this is appropriate as it
 clearly does not move us in the right direction.
 
 Saltsman's candidacy for national party chair is endorsed by Huckabee
 and fellow Tennessean Bill Frist, the former Senate majority leader.
 
 Saltsman defended his song selection to The Hill's Reid Wilson, who
 first reported the gift.
 
 Paul Shanklin is a longtime friend, and I think that RNC members have
 the good humor and good sense to recognize that his songs for the Rush
 Limbaugh show are light-hearted political parodies, Saltsman told The
 Hill.
 
 Saltsman's marketing campaign comes as Republicans grapple with ways
 to offer a counterpoint to President-elect Obama at a time when the
 country is largely supportive of his appointments and policies.
 
 The national GOP ticket lost badly in November among many growing
 voter groups – including young people, Hispanics and suburbanites.
 Party officials says that a voter base consisting of the South plus
 social conservatives is not a dependable way to win elections.
 
 In the Republican Plan for Victory that is Saltsman's platform in
 the chairman's race, he writes: I believe that countering an
 emboldened Democratic Party, led by the Obama-Reid-Pelosi troika,
 requires an aggressive national strategy. This campaign's message
 cannot depend upon traditional media outlets or communication methods.
 It will require building upon new media and developing and mastering
 new tactics.
 
 The disclosure by The Hill was met with an odd silence from Republican
 leaders. The story was posted at 12:10 p.m. on Friday, was quickly
 picked up by Talking Points Memo, and for a time was the banner
 headline on The Huffington Post, later replaced by Israeli's strikes
 on Gaza.
 
 Duncan issued his statement after Politico noted the party's 22-hour
 silence.
 
 Politico has exchanged e-mails with an aide to Saltsman, and will post
 a response when it arrives.
 
 Saltsman is a former development director of the National Republican
 Senatorial Committee, and was elected chairman of the Tennessee
 Republican Party in 1998.
 
 http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16876.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[Peter L Sutphen]

Sal, you're first in line! 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2008, at 8:41 PM, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote:

On Dec 27, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Peter L Sutphen wrote:

I feel so unloved! ;-)

Sent from my iPhone

Well, if you're thinking of doing anything drastic,  can
I have first dibs on your iPhone?

Sal




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[FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality spot found in brain

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote:

 Are TM-researchers measuring the wrong or a different thing?
 
 
   Spirituality Spot Found in Brain
 
 This study, along with other recent neuroradiological studies of 
 Buddhist meditators and Francescan nuns, suggests that all 
 individuals, regardless of cultural background or religion, 
 experience the same neuropsychological functions during spiritual 
 experiences, such as transcendence. Transcendence, feelings of 
 universal unity and decreased sense of self, is a core tenet of all 
 major religions. Meditation and prayer are the primary vehicles by 
 which such spiritual transcendence is achieved.
 
 The brain functions in a certain way during spiritual experiences,
 


IT is always possible that the OTHER researchers are measuring the wrong
thing, of course.

L

[FairfieldLife] Collected Papers

[Rick Archer]

A friend of mine wants to borrow the Collected Papers for a project he's
doing. If anyone has a set they can lend him, let me know and I'll give you
the details.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Collected Papers

[min.pige]

what are they?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:

 A friend of mine wants to borrow the Collected Papers for a project he's
 doing. If anyone has a set they can lend him, let me know and I'll
give you
 the details.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Collected Papers

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:

 A friend of mine wants to borrow the Collected Papers for a project 
he's
 doing. If anyone has a set they can lend him, let me know and I'll 
give you
 the details.



I have a friend who was editor on some of the 'Collected Papers' 
volumes .  Said it was a frustrating moral experience academically 
because Maharishi was really only after heafty big books for PR 
effect, so they had to include a lot of really bad research to fatten 
the volumes out.  There was a lot of production in those years and 
not necessarily a lot of discernment evidently.  


'Collected Papers' volumes do show up at Revelations Bookstore every 
once in a while when somebody is obviously clearing out.

I recently got a glossy color Purusha calendar that somebody let go 
of there that has a historical summary of all the Maharishi Years 
of... from the 1950's.  Is real precious.

[FairfieldLife] Planetary Reading December 26th, 2008

[Robert]

Planetary/Ascension Reading - December 26, 2008
by Joe and Jen (KA and Royen)

Planetary Reading December 26th, 2008

The World, or planet Earth is now entering into its time of Renewal
and Rebirth. The 3D aspects of what is currently, and over the next 4
years, taking place on the planet may seem bad, scary, even like
the end of the world at times, but it's simply the Process we must go
through in order to evolve. But, the Truth is this:

In order for us (the planet) to raise our vibration, transmute all the
illusions and negative energies that we've gathered both collectively
and individually (which is the same as we are all ONE) over many eons
of time, and to bring Heaven to Earth by stepping into the 5th
Dimension, we must go through The Fall.

The Fall may look nasty, but in reality, we're preparing to
self-actualize as a WHOLE. We're preparing to transmute all the
illusions, false belief systems, and man-created false realities. We
are headed toward Unity and Harmony in ALL things; Within and without.
We are working our way back to our Natural and Divine state of Being.

The World's deepest fear is/will be death...death of their ways of
life, death of everything they thought was real, death of the planet.
However, this is oh, so, not the case. We are striving for a much more
Loving world and it will be...so do not fear anything. As fear is the
ultimate of all illusions.

As a WHOLE, we are being Enlightened, Awakened...and Remembering. Our
True Wisdom and Spirituality will soon be liberated. We are amidst
combining our masculine and feminine, and all polarity, as polarity is
what we experience on this plane...only. There is no polarity or
contrast on the Other Side.

This Transition/Ascension does not happen in one fell swoop. It will
happen (and has begun), and will continue over the next 4 years, as no
one could handle this type of Transmutation/Process overnight, so to
speak.

Opposites are being blended. Balance and moderation, along with
cooperation among peoples, Nations, Races, Cultures, Ideas, Religions,
etc...will soon be more and more apparent. Sounds beautiful, ha?!
Simply remember, however, that it will take some time, and may seem
like a slow process for some, and a quicker one for others. It's
important to remember that we're all ONE and must go through this
Process as our Higher Selves have already predestined.

The planet is beginning to experience the TRUE meaning of: The Truth
Shall Set You Free. All things will be illuminated; good and bad. To
many some things may be shocking. Some may refuse to look into the
eyes of Truth. Many things/ideas that we considered bad or evil
will be seen as the opposite. And, much that's been believed to be
good, right, acceptable, or even the truths we've been brought
up with, or the ways we SHOULD live our lives, are going to be set
straight; are going to be illuminated as the LIGHT will shine upon all
darkness, which then becomes LIGHT.

Basically, a house NOT built on solid foundations will eventually
collapse...this is taking place on the planet. BUT, the good news is
that it is crumbling in order to rebuild upon a VERY solid foundation.
Many things, institutions, governments, etcthat (we) rely upon
or believe in, just knowing they'll always be there and remain the
same...are not.

This will be very disturbing and upsetting to many who may feel unable
to change. Again, remember, everyone has chosen their path prior to
entering this life. Ironically, the Planet desires these changes and
has planned them for a very, very long time. We've all chosen to
participate in our own way during these most amazing of times!

Trust this: Your Higher Self, the True You, knows exactly what's going
on and will guide you...You must listen to your Inner KNOWER, your Heart.

Also, it is SHOWN that we will enter a time of great Healing, Peace
and Hope, once going thru the not-so-much-fun stuff. The future is
very Glorious and Beautiful...we must have faith and trust!

People, the planet, is soon to be going into a time of Deep Inner
Reflection...Again, this takes place both individually and on a
planetary basis, as people will Awaken and Ascend at different times;
in stages, if you will. Soon, many will begin questioning and going
Inside for answers. Inside is where all Truth and ALL answers lie.

Much inner strength and determination will be required for many, as
this Process is not an easy one. In the end, it's ALL WORTH IT.
However, there are some painful and uncomfortable aspects of this
Transition. After all, (we) are dying and being Reborn...

Many new opportunities will be on the horizon...the world is changing,
and many positions in life are changing. People will be Awakening to
their True Selves, and with this comes their True Gifts, Talents,
Creativity and Joy. What one can offer mankind will be discovered and
used to its greatest potential, as we will come together as ONE. So,
look Deep in your Heart

If something isn't working for you, or isn't 

[FairfieldLife] No Golden Rules

[Arhata Osho]

Sunset at North PoleNo Golden Rules The golden rule for life is that there are no golden rules.There cannot be. Life is so vast, so immense, so strange,mysterious, it cannot be reduced into a rule or a maxim.All maxims fall short, are too small; they cannot containlife and itsliving energies. Hence the golden rule is significant, that thereare no golden rules. An authentic man does not live by rules, maxims, commandments.That's the way of the pseudo man.The authentic man simply lives in awareness and his
 heart. Oshohttp://www.freedomofspeech.netfirms.com/

  

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Collected Papers

[shempmcgurk]

Rick -- here are 7 collected papers offered for sale.  Note that the 
last one includes all 5 volumes:

http://tinyurl.com/7ba8m6


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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:

 A friend of mine wants to borrow the Collected Papers for a project 
he's
 doing. If anyone has a set they can lend him, let me know and I'll 
give you
 the details.