[FairfieldLife] Hindus who stayed in Pakistan
http://snipurl.com/edi5t http://snipurl.com/edi5t [www_globalpost_com] http://www.globalpost.com/video/pakistan/090226/the-hindus-who-stayed-p\ akistan-0
[FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
Nice article. It's a refreshing thought or discovery from the so-called scientific mind. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: . http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2009/316/1 Science Cannot Fully Describe Reality, Says Templeton Prize Winner By David Lindley ScienceNOW Daily News 16 March 2009 What is reality? French physicist Bernard d'Espagnat, 87, has spent a lifetime grappling with this question. Over the years, he has developed the idea that the reality revealed by science offers only a veiled view of an underlying reality that science cannot access, and that the scientific view must take its place alongside the reality revealed by art, spirituality, and other forms of human inquiry. In recognition of these efforts, d'Espagnat has won this year's Templeton Prize, a £1 million ($1.4 million) award sponsored by the Templeton Foundation, which supports research at the intersection of science, philosophy, and religion. In classical physics, what you see is what you get: Any measurement is presumed to reveal an intrinsic quality--mass, location, velocity--of the thing measured. But in quantum mechanics, things aren't so clear-cut. In general, the measurement of a quantum object can yield a range of possible outcomes, so that the original quantum state must be regarded as indefinite. More perplexing still are entangled states in which, despite being physically separated, two or more quantum objects remain linked, so that a measurement of one affects the measurements of the others (ScienceNOW, 13 August 2008). Albert Einstein and others objected to the implications of these lines of thought and insisted that quantum mechanics was an incomplete theory precisely because it did not support old-fashioned literal realism. But that's a lost cause, says d'Espagnat, who studied particle physics early in his career. Instead, he has concluded that physicists must abandon naïve realism and embrace a more sophisticated philosophy of reality. Quantum mechanics allows what d'Espagnat calls weak objectivity, in that it predicts probabilities of observable phenomena in an indisputable way. But the inherent uncertainty of quantum measurements means that it is impossible to infer an unambiguous description of reality as it really is, he says. He has proposed that behind measured phenomena exists what he calls a veiled reality that genuinely exists, independently of us, even though we lack the ability to fully describe it. Asked whether that entails a kind of mysticism, d'Espagnat responds that science isn't everything and that we are already accustomed to the idea that when we hear beautiful music, or see paintings, or read poetry, [we get] a faint glimpse of a reality that underlies empirical reality. In the possibility of a veiled reality that is perceived in different and fragmentary ways through science, art, and spirituality, d'Espagnat also sees, perhaps, a way to reconcile the apparently conflicting visions of reality that science and religion provide. Arthur Fine of the University of Washington, Seattle, points out that these views--as d'Espagnat acknowledges--have their roots in Immanuel Kant's distinction between a world of noumena, the essentially unknowable but real stuff, [and] the world of phenomena. But it's problematic, he notes, to think of noumenal concepts as having scientific value if you can't say precisely what they are. D'Espagnat's writings on quantum mechanics lay out with great clarity the genuine puzzles that quantum mechanics presents, says Jeffrey Bub of the University of Maryland, College Park. But he's skeptical about finding common ground among notions of reality from art, science, and spirituality. As he puts it, if there's something about the physical world that quantum mechanics isn't telling you, it doesn't follow that those gaps can be filled with poetry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Wave Posting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: I am watching some Godard films -- and The Dreamers last week which had New Wave themes (I was born in 1960 -- the year Breathless was released -- says the 20ish year old Eva Green in 1968, Paris. So New Wave is on my mind. And when I look back on many of my posts -- they have not unsubstantial typos. Perhaps playfully and conveniently rationalizing, I see a connection. New Wave was about filming real life -- with all of its energy, lack of momentary and present coherence (things make sense later, in retrospection), capturing the totality, not just nicy- nice, not making perfect, highly choreographed scenes, spontenaity, experimentation, disregard for old conventions, avoiding fancy editing and imposed style. I watched some old New Wave films last year, doing a kind of Castanedan recapitualation on them myself, because they were *my* personal sources of awakening to the cinema. Truffaut, Godard, Eric Rohmer, Claude Chabrol, etc. They formed my first impressions of What cinema could be. Interestingly, this particular recapitulation had the same effect as a similar one in which I went back and re-listened to some of the formative music of my youth, which in my case was the acid rock of the late 60s hippie movement. The result? I found much of the music completely unlistenable. Many of the bands -- that I loved at the time -- were amateurish and could hardly play their instru- ments. The only explanations for me having liked it so much at the time were 1) the exuberance of being caught up in what we perceived at the time as a paradigm shift, a movement moving from the Old to the New, and 2) we were stoned. The Doors and Country Joe and Big Brother were laughable in retro- spect. Only a few of the musicians -- like Jimi -- really stood out for me as greats in retrospect. They were the only ones to have passed the test of time. So it was with the Nouvelle Vague -- French New Wave cinema. I found Godard's films unwatchable in their self-absorption, self-indulgence, and amateur- ishness. Same with Rohmer, with more than a touch of French sappy romanticism thrown in. The only one who stood the test of time for me was Truffaut, and that was probably because he started his film career as a critic, and avoided the problem that the others wallowed in. That problem, from my point of view, was that the real essence of New Wave cinema was not just a disregard for old conventions but a *rejection* of old conventions. These kids spent their days mak- ing films and their nights throwing paving stones and Molotov cocktails during the demonstrations and protests of the time. They considered themselves revolutionaries. And in some senses they were, but they also had the hubris of revolutionaries; they believed that just because *they* took what they were doing seriously, and themselves even more seriously, that everyone else had to as well. Truffaut holds up over time for me. He is still one of my favorite filmmakers. Godard I find it very difficult to even watch. Given what you say below, he may have been the Willytex of cinema. :-) New Wave is a type of cinema, not all cinema -- but it brings valuable insights to all film makers and cinema. In the same fashion, posting is not all writing. Some writing -- a book or journal article call for different and often more formal, refined styles. Absolutely true. While I tend to appreciate the more creative styles -- people who think for themselves -- there is a place for those who believe (as some here seem to) that there is actually something bad about thinking for yourself. Think about the phrase that some trot out from time to time, There is nothing new under the sun. Think about those who revere *only* the writing they find in centuries-old scriptures, as if nothing since has contained any wisdom. Are *they* likely to either be creative, or respect creativity? For such a person, praising the greats of the past is as close to creativity as it gets. And that's OK, I guess...that pretty much defines the vast majority of teachers and college professors. :-) To me posting, or an aspect for it , is capturing the thought while it happens -- in all its glory -- the energy, enthusiasm, spontenaity, discovering, experimental side of active thinking -- or good conversations. That's sorta how I look at it, too. But I understand that a facet of that is my particular background, and the fact that having worked as a writer for a long time now, I can think fast at the keyboard, and type fast enough so that my train of thought shows up in phosphor on the screen in front of me just as fast as it does in my mind. I rarely ever edit my posts, or have to. What you see in them is what you get. Others are more from the Tom Robbins school of writing. Tom is lucky to write two pages of one of his novels a day. He agonizes over every word, and every sentence. He
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ozymandius Syndrome 3 - Where's Waldo?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl...@... wrote: It was not until an emergency effort to repair the Hubble telescope was successful and the photos of the Big Verginas became less fuzzy and out of focus that the Pleiaidians lightened up and allowed the Earth to survive. Last week, a friend mentioned channellings from Sirius. I told him exactly why I felt there was likely no intelligent life on Sirius, or on the Pleiades, or on Arcturus, etc. My view, by the way, is based on 41 years of interest in astronomy. Look for my upcoming post on why there are no Pleiadians. Before I post, though, can anyone tell me why none of the space brothers ever hail from Scorpius or Sagittarius? And why that is so unusual? Scorpios and Sagittarians are assholes. Everybody knows that. If someone channeled them, they'd still be assholes. Turq the Sagg :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: Nice article. It's a refreshing thought or discovery from the so-called scientific mind. When do we get to see some from the so-called spiritual mind? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: . http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2009/316/1 Science Cannot Fully Describe Reality, Says Templeton Prize Winner By David Lindley ScienceNOW Daily News 16 March 2009 What is reality? French physicist Bernard d'Espagnat, 87, has spent a lifetime grappling with this question. Over the years, he has developed the idea that the reality revealed by science offers only a veiled view of an underlying reality that science cannot access, and that the scientific view must take its place alongside the reality revealed by art, spirituality, and other forms of human inquiry. In recognition of these efforts, d'Espagnat has won this year's Templeton Prize, a £1 million ($1.4 million) award sponsored by the Templeton Foundation, which supports research at the intersection of science, philosophy, and religion. In classical physics, what you see is what you get: Any measurement is presumed to reveal an intrinsic quality--mass, location, velocity--of the thing measured. But in quantum mechanics, things aren't so clear-cut. In general, the measurement of a quantum object can yield a range of possible outcomes, so that the original quantum state must be regarded as indefinite. More perplexing still are entangled states in which, despite being physically separated, two or more quantum objects remain linked, so that a measurement of one affects the measurements of the others (ScienceNOW, 13 August 2008). Albert Einstein and others objected to the implications of these lines of thought and insisted that quantum mechanics was an incomplete theory precisely because it did not support old-fashioned literal realism. But that's a lost cause, says d'Espagnat, who studied particle physics early in his career. Instead, he has concluded that physicists must abandon naïve realism and embrace a more sophisticated philosophy of reality. Quantum mechanics allows what d'Espagnat calls weak objectivity, in that it predicts probabilities of observable phenomena in an indisputable way. But the inherent uncertainty of quantum measurements means that it is impossible to infer an unambiguous description of reality as it really is, he says. He has proposed that behind measured phenomena exists what he calls a veiled reality that genuinely exists, independently of us, even though we lack the ability to fully describe it. Asked whether that entails a kind of mysticism, d'Espagnat responds that science isn't everything and that we are already accustomed to the idea that when we hear beautiful music, or see paintings, or read poetry, [we get] a faint glimpse of a reality that underlies empirical reality. In the possibility of a veiled reality that is perceived in different and fragmentary ways through science, art, and spirituality, d'Espagnat also sees, perhaps, a way to reconcile the apparently conflicting visions of reality that science and religion provide. Arthur Fine of the University of Washington, Seattle, points out that these views--as d'Espagnat acknowledges--have their roots in Immanuel Kant's distinction between a world of noumena, the essentially unknowable but real stuff, [and] the world of phenomena. But it's problematic, he notes, to think of noumenal concepts as having scientific value if you can't say precisely what they are. D'Espagnat's writings on quantum mechanics lay out with great clarity the genuine puzzles that quantum mechanics presents, says Jeffrey Bub of the University of Maryland, College Park. But he's skeptical about finding common ground among notions of reality from art, science, and spirituality. As he puts it, if there's something about the physical world that quantum mechanics isn't telling you, it doesn't follow that those gaps can be filled with poetry.
[FairfieldLife] Finally, your chance to give a flying f#*k
http://www.thumbsupuk.com/products/Flying-F--K-Helicopter.htm?id=47subid=0prodid=529cc= or http://tinyurl.com/cedtsq
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dogs, Death, and Emotions. Was: Non-Duality Cartoons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: --- On Sun, 3/22/09, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: This is my direct experience since some of my friends have dogs and cats. You are projecting again. Nabs, you actually feel the draining effect of a dog or a cat if they touch you? From some animals, but certainly not from all. They will drain you if they get a chance as will some humans. This would be the experience of any non-prejudiced person not including yourself, obviously. Just for the record; I'm very fond of animals, particularily dogs and birds, and it is reciprocal, but I pick my friends from this kingdom with care.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-Duality Cartoons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Nab, You've just broken the FFL record for world-class-asshole cruelty. Happy to hear that, thanks :-) Now, take your medicines. http://abc.go.com/primetime/afv/index?pn=playeritemId=364224
[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-Duality Cartoons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Nab, You've just broken the FFL record for world-class-asshole cruelty. Happy to hear that, thanks :-) Now, take your medicines. http://abc.go.com/primetime/afv/index?pn=playeritemId=364224 HeHe, very funny ! I have recommended AFV to some here before that take themselves too seriously and will continue to do so. Thanks for posting this :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: YouTube - The Obama Deception HQ Full length version
The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. The banking powers are more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. They denounce as public enemies all who question their methods or throw light upon their crimes. I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe. [As a most undesirable consequence of the war...] Corporations have been enthroned, and an era of corruption in high places will follow. The money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed. - Abraham Lincoln
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: YouTube - The Obama Deception HQ Full length version
Henry Kissinger made headlines on Jan. 5 by proclaiming Barack Obama to be the architect of a New World Order. He told CNBC that His task will be to develop an overall strategy for America in this period when, really, a new world order can be created. It's a great opportunity, it isn't just a crisis. But just as significant as this eye-opening statement was where Kissinger made it: the floor of the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) Read more: http://tinyurl.com/8folnt http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2009/ea_china0018_01_07.asp
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: YouTube - The Obama Deception HQ Full length version
http://www.infowars.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: YouTube - The Obama Deception HQ Full length version
http://prisonplanet.tv/
[FairfieldLife] tmo banking
The tmo now does its banking primarily on jersey island. This quote is from an article today in salon.com: Over the past several years, however, the trend has gone the other way, with abuse of bank secrecy and the expatriation of investment and profits growing rapidly. On the tiny island of Jersey in the English Channel, for instance, the authorities responded to political pressure from hedge funds, which have placed more than $80 billion in deposits there, by establishing a zero regulation regime last year that literally removed all restrictions and reporting on financial transactions. Zero transparency and accountability in financial dealings, wonder why the tmo is there?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electric Cars for All (Interesting New Approach)
OF course all this new electricity is needed in addition to the old that is currently produced from fossil fuel with a stained system and brown outs as it exist today. Millions, tens of millions of new cars running on new charges is going to take enormous of amounts of electricity. That's going to mean a lot of wind farms..even off Martha's vinyard! By the way we still need to drill for our own oil everywhere we know it exists even to get the natural gas. --- On Mon, 3/23/09, grate.swan no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: grate.swan no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electric Cars for All (Interesting New Approach) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 2:33 AM More importantly, where is all this oil going to come from to fuel up all these millions of cars that need to be filled up regularly? --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, grate.swan no_re...@.. . wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Where is all this electricity going to come from to charge up all these millions of cars that need to be charged up one, twice, three times a day? The generation capacity is there -- if charged off peak. fuel -- there is currently a hgue glut of natural gas that is projected for some time. renewables will be growing --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: From: Bhairitu noozguru@ Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electric Cars for All (Interesting New Approach) To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 11:30 PM Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FairfieldLi fe@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 4:51 PM To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electric Cars for All (Interesting New Approach) Around here poeple want a cheaper second car. IOW, they keep their current vehicle for long trips or maybe their commute but for going to local stores, etc an inexpensive electric could suffice. The electric car presented in the article I posted would suffice for both local and long-distance trips. That is one solution. But it is one company. Do we want yet another monopoly? We need something like an open source solution. Do away with the patents and the corporate wars trying to win the prize. And then we might do well to rethink this whole paradigm of transportation. But humanity is not yet that evolved for that.
[FairfieldLife] Anyone know the address for The Fairfield (Craig's type) List site?
Anyone know the address for The Fairfield (Craig's type) List site? -- BB
[FairfieldLife] Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
The upcoming McCartney/Lynch Concert to benefit the David Lynch Foundation will raise funds to teach Transcendental Meditation in the public schools. Many critics feel this is a clear Church/State violation because of the religious trappings of Transcendental Meditation. A group of critics -- including James Randi, Barry Markovsky, Meera Nanda, Andrew Skolnick, myself, and others -- have organized a free web event to discuss this controversy. You may be interested in attending. You can find the details at http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmconcert.html http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmconcert.html
[FairfieldLife] Real Time: How Dangerous is the Hate Talk From the Right?
WATCH video here: http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/real-time-how-dangerous-hate-talk-right http://snipurl.com/ee1pa This week thank goodness Bill Maher went back to his regular format of bringing all of the guests in together unlike last week's stinker of a show. Thank you Bill. The panel of Andrew Ross Sorkin, Kerry Washington, Bernie Sanders and Keith Olbermann discussed the hatred and outright craziness that's coming out of the likes of Glenn Beck and others on the right and the danger of whipping up some of the fringe elements of our society with their rhetoric. Maher: Listening to people like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck these days, I cannot figure out whether these right wingers are more dangerous when they're in power or when they're out of power, because when they're out of power, you know their paranoid, their paranoia goes off the charts. This Glenn Beck guy, I wouldn't even give him the time of day except he's a big star now on Fox and a lot of people believe, and he's talking about FEMA concentration camps. Olbermann: Yeah... Maher: He says we are headed toward socialism, totalitarianism... Olbermann: Yeah... Maher:...beyond your wildest imagination, but apparently not beyond his wildest imagination. Washington: Right, right. Sorkin: Did you see what he said about that? He said I can't prove these FEMA concentration camps, but let me tell you about them anyway. Washington: Yeah, yeah. Sorkin: You'd think it would be the opposite. Olbermann: Can I quote Madeleine Albright? Maher: Please. Olbermann: He's nuts. Maher: You know I would never be the person who says that you have to watch what you say because some borderline nut...no really...I'm not for that. No, no, that's an argument that's given a lot. You can't say this because a borderline might take it and then do this. I'm sorry but that's the price of living in a free speech country and I do want to live in one because I make my living at it. Okay. But you know I must say Tim McVeigh in 1995 if you recall, this was the same kind of talking that made him blow up that building. Olbermann: The guy who walked into the church in Tennessee said in his statement to the police that he did this because he could not shoot the liberals who were on the lists from Bernie Goldberg, and Bernie Goldberg has proceeded to come out with another list of liberals and this time I'm on the list so this is even more vivid in my mind now. So yeah you're absolutely right about that. I think what you're seeing with, I mean I have been accused occasionally of sort of bordering on Howard Beale. Hey I got nothing on this guy for Howard Beale. This is, you know in the last major economic crisis of this nation we spewed forth Father Coughlin. Well this is Father Coughlin with a crew cut. This is Father Coughlin on TV. This is, he's, who knows what he's going to say next week because if we can't understand what he's saying now he also has that same threshold. He doesn't know what he's saying now. It just sounds great. It's wonderful. It is a manic depressive high. They go on to discuss how irresponsible Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes are and just how much of what comes out of their mouths some of these right wing yappers even believe, and how much is them just being willing to sell themselves to the highest bidder.
[FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: Nice article. It's a refreshing thought or discovery from the so-called scientific mind. It's not really a *new* discovery, though. It's about as old as quantum physics is. In his (brilliant, IMHO) introductory essay to his Quantum Questions: Mystical Writings of the World's Great Physicists (Shambhala, 1984), Ken Wilber quotes a gaggle of early 20th-century physicists to exactly this effect. He points out that until the development of quantum mechanics, physicists thought physics *did* describe reality. Quantum physics proved indisputably not only that it did not, but that it *could* not. All physics could provide were symbols, mere shadows of reality. Physicists such as Heisenberg, Schroedinger, Pauli, and Eddington turned to mysticism not because the new physics validated a metaphysical understanding of reality, but because the new physics told us that the true nature of reality was forever beyond the reach of physics. Whether mysticism provides a direct, unmediated experience of the true nature of reality is another question, but it's for sure that physics doesn't. This isn't even new to D'Espagnat, for that matter. In 1979 he published an article in Scientific American titled The Quantum Theory and Reality, whose thesis was, The doctrine that the world is made up of objects whose existence is independent of human consciousness turns out to be in conflict with quantum mechanics and with facts established by experiment: http://www.sciam.com/media/pdf/197911_0158.pdf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: . http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2009/316/1 Science Cannot Fully Describe Reality, Says Templeton Prize Winner By David Lindley ScienceNOW Daily News 16 March 2009 What is reality? French physicist Bernard d'Espagnat, 87, has spent a lifetime grappling with this question. Over the years, he has developed the idea that the reality revealed by science offers only a veiled view of an underlying reality that science cannot access, and that the scientific view must take its place alongside the reality revealed by art, spirituality, and other forms of human inquiry. In recognition of these efforts, d'Espagnat has won this year's Templeton Prize, a £1 million ($1.4 million) award sponsored by the Templeton Foundation, which supports research at the intersection of science, philosophy, and religion. In classical physics, what you see is what you get: Any measurement is presumed to reveal an intrinsic quality--mass, location, velocity--of the thing measured. But in quantum mechanics, things aren't so clear-cut. In general, the measurement of a quantum object can yield a range of possible outcomes, so that the original quantum state must be regarded as indefinite. More perplexing still are entangled states in which, despite being physically separated, two or more quantum objects remain linked, so that a measurement of one affects the measurements of the others (ScienceNOW, 13 August 2008). Albert Einstein and others objected to the implications of these lines of thought and insisted that quantum mechanics was an incomplete theory precisely because it did not support old-fashioned literal realism. But that's a lost cause, says d'Espagnat, who studied particle physics early in his career. Instead, he has concluded that physicists must abandon naïve realism and embrace a more sophisticated philosophy of reality. Quantum mechanics allows what d'Espagnat calls weak objectivity, in that it predicts probabilities of observable phenomena in an indisputable way. But the inherent uncertainty of quantum measurements means that it is impossible to infer an unambiguous description of reality as it really is, he says. He has proposed that behind measured phenomena exists what he calls a veiled reality that genuinely exists, independently of us, even though we lack the ability to fully describe it. Asked whether that entails a kind of mysticism, d'Espagnat responds that science isn't everything and that we are already accustomed to the idea that when we hear beautiful music, or see paintings, or read poetry, [we get] a faint glimpse of a reality that underlies empirical reality. In the possibility of a veiled reality that is perceived in different and fragmentary ways through science, art, and spirituality, d'Espagnat also sees, perhaps, a way to reconcile the apparently conflicting visions of reality that science and religion provide. Arthur Fine of the University of Washington, Seattle, points out that these views--as d'Espagnat acknowledges--have their roots in Immanuel Kant's distinction between a world of noumena, the essentially unknowable but real stuff, [and] the world of phenomena. But it's problematic, he notes, to think of noumenal
[FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Nice article. It's a refreshing thought or discovery from the so-called scientific mind. When do we get to see some from the so-called spiritual mind? Oh, around 1984 or so. See my previous post re Ken Wilber's Quantum Questions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Wave Posting
Damn! And here I thought I had a great cover for my poor typing skills and being too lazy to edit my posts. :) The 60's music is a good example. I still like some, but as you say, a lot is near to unlistenable. But some has that awesome energy. Some live performances really were in the zone -- but recordings did not captured it. I saw Jefferson Airplane once in an outdoor venue -- and in one high energy song -- they literally seemed to rise above the stage. (An unenhanced perception). And the Dead -- lots of crap -- but lots of great moments. Jerry could say just the right thing at just the right time with his guitar -- at times. And they had some interesting lyrics. And Country Joe live did some amazing things that did not come through on their recordings. And as cliche as the song is now, the first time I heard light my fire -- hitchhiking and picked up in a (again cliche) microbus -- I knew we weren't in Kansas anymore. A whole new vibe (for then). though that REALLY happened to the nth power, with Hendrix's first album. In looking at some Godard -- it is almost painful at times. But there is a light whimsy (not wimpy) in them that is refreshing. Bertolucci in The Dreamers makes you reconsider values and norms. Godard does the same thing. Both can be uncomfortable at times. I find my cringing at some Godard stuff makes me ponder why it makes me feel uncomfortable -- cinematically . As did parts of The Dreamers -- sexually. Breaking boundaries and clearing out the cobwebs is not always comfortable and pleasant. BTW, I watched the Last Emperor and Stealing Beauty this week (Bertolucci week). He is an interesting director with interesting themes. And, as an aside, There is not such thing as love, only proof of love shows up in both The Dreamers and Stealing Beauty. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: I am watching some Godard films -- and The Dreamers last week which had New Wave themes (I was born in 1960 -- the year Breathless was released -- says the 20ish year old Eva Green in 1968, Paris. So New Wave is on my mind. And when I look back on many of my posts -- they have not unsubstantial typos. Perhaps playfully and conveniently rationalizing, I see a connection. New Wave was about filming real life -- with all of its energy, lack of momentary and present coherence (things make sense later, in retrospection), capturing the totality, not just nicy- nice, not making perfect, highly choreographed scenes, spontenaity, experimentation, disregard for old conventions, avoiding fancy editing and imposed style. I watched some old New Wave films last year, doing a kind of Castanedan recapitualation on them myself, because they were *my* personal sources of awakening to the cinema. Truffaut, Godard, Eric Rohmer, Claude Chabrol, etc. They formed my first impressions of What cinema could be. Interestingly, this particular recapitulation had the same effect as a similar one in which I went back and re-listened to some of the formative music of my youth, which in my case was the acid rock of the late 60s hippie movement. The result? I found much of the music completely unlistenable. Many of the bands -- that I loved at the time -- were amateurish and could hardly play their instru- ments. The only explanations for me having liked it so much at the time were 1) the exuberance of being caught up in what we perceived at the time as a paradigm shift, a movement moving from the Old to the New, and 2) we were stoned. The Doors and Country Joe and Big Brother were laughable in retro- spect. Only a few of the musicians -- like Jimi -- really stood out for me as greats in retrospect. They were the only ones to have passed the test of time. So it was with the Nouvelle Vague -- French New Wave cinema. I found Godard's films unwatchable in their self-absorption, self-indulgence, and amateur- ishness. Same with Rohmer, with more than a touch of French sappy romanticism thrown in. The only one who stood the test of time for me was Truffaut, and that was probably because he started his film career as a critic, and avoided the problem that the others wallowed in. That problem, from my point of view, was that the real essence of New Wave cinema was not just a disregard for old conventions but a *rejection* of old conventions. These kids spent their days mak- ing films and their nights throwing paving stones and Molotov cocktails during the demonstrations and protests of the time. They considered themselves revolutionaries. And in some senses they were, but they also had the hubris of revolutionaries; they believed that just because *they* took what they were doing seriously, and themselves even more seriously, that everyone else had to as well. Truffaut holds up over time for me. He is
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Wave Posting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip While I tend to appreciate the more creative styles -- people who think for themselves -- there is a place for those who believe (as some here seem to) that there is actually something bad about thinking for yourself. Nobody believes there's anything bad about thinking for oneself. Unless, of course, the creative thinking one does for oneself is based on fantasy--wishful thinking-- rather than consensus reality, and one *substitutes* one's fantasy for consensus reality, believing (or at least proclaiming) that what one is fantasizing *is* consensus reality. Thinking for oneself without bothering to take account of facts on the ground or the principles of logic, may be creative, but creativity in a vacuum, isolated from reality, contributes nothing except a window into the thought process of the fantasist.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Evolving into Fascism? From th Roots of True-Believership
My delving into Fascism and the Movement theme was prompted by a scene from Bertolucci's the Last Emperor. the Red Guard scene. The zeal, the passion, the total knowingness, self-confidence, revolutionary zeal, the arrogance, of the Red Guard -- they are so young -- brought to mind TM true believership -- in its finer moments. 'We know the Truth and you old bastards can go to hell -- your knowledge, learning and experience is meaningless and corrupt'. Echoed in Maharishi's statement -- burn all the libraries -- they are useless. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: I was intrigued by the apparent glee of a poster who appears to be the purest reflection of unadulterated TMO ideals quoting Maharishi that with Communism fallen, Capitalism is next to go. Which begs the question what then? Fascism in its prior glory days was day was referred to as the third way, a path between, and superior to capitalism and communism. Of course the term Fascism is such a strong emotional cue that dispassionate discussion is almost impossible. In that, it has become close to meaningless. Orwell said, fascist has become hopelessly vague over the years and that it is now little more than a pejorative epithet.The word `Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless. the term fascism is the most misused, and over-used word of our times. However, in digging a bit past my own instinctive and reflexive reactions to the term, I have listed a number of Fascist attributes pulled from a Wiki article. It causes me to stop, a bit breathless, to contemplate potential parallels to the TMO however I am sure there are many profound differences also I am sure. I will let readers draw or reject their own parallels instead of tracing out my thoughts on each one. Fascism is a radical, authoritarian single-party state government led by a strong leader requiring individuals to subordinate self-interest to the collective interest theme of evolution being healthy, vital, having an aggressive warrior mentality by conquering, dominating, and eventually eliminating people deemed weak and degenerate. permanently forbid and suppress all criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement. Fascist movements oppose any ideology or political system that gives direct political power to people as individuals through elected representatives an ideology deeply bound up with modernization and modernity the core mobilizing myth of fascism which conditions its ideology, propaganda, style of politics and actions is the vision of the nation's imminent rebirth from decadence. obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion. A number of fascist movements described themselves a third force that was outside the traditional political spectrum altogether. Many scholars accept fascism as a search for a third way between capitalism and communism. The nation is seen in fascism as a single organic entity which binds people together by their ancestry and is seen as a natural unifying force of people. Fascists promote the unification and expansion of influence, power, and/or territory of and for their nation. Fascism seeks to solve existing economic, political, and social problems by achieving a millenarian national rebirth, exalting the nation or race above all else, and promoting cults of unity, strength and purity. For us the nation is not just territory but something spiritual... A nation is great when it translates into reality the force of its spirit.[67] We must clear up the economic mess and right the glaring social injustices of to-day by the corporative organization The best governments in the world cannot succeed in pulling a country out of the quagmire, out of apathy, if they do not express themselves as national energies All fascist movements advocate the creation of an authoritarian government that is an autocratic single-party state led by a charismatic leader with the powers of a dictator The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian The recognition of the plurality of autonomous life would, however, immediately lead back to a disasterous pluralism A key element of fascism is its endorsement of a prime national leader, who is often known simply as the Leader The fascist movement demands obedience to the leader, and may exhort people worship the
[FairfieldLife] The World's Cheapest Car Debuts in India
I try to copy/past the text of an article into a post but in this case you've got to see the car. http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1887070,00.html?cnn=yes and http://tinyurl.com/ccjjx8
[FairfieldLife] Matt Taibbi: The Big Takeover
It's over - we're officially, royally fucked. no empire can survive being rendered a permanent laughingstock, which is what happened as of a few weeks ago, when the buffoons who have been running things in this country finally went one step too far. It happened when Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner was forced to admit that he was once again going to have to stuff billions of taxpayer dollars into a dying insurance giant called AIG, itself a profound symbol of our national decline - a corporation that got rich insuring the concrete and steel of American industry in the country's heyday, only to destroy itself chasing phantom fortunes at the Wall Street card tables, like a dissolute nobleman gambling away the family estate in the waning days of the British Empire. The latest bailout came as AIG admitted to having just posted the largest quarterly loss in American corporate history - some $61.7 billion. In the final three months of last year, the company lost more than $27 million every hour. That's $465,000 a minute, a yearly income for a median American household every six seconds, roughly $7,750 a second. And all this happened at the end of eight straight years that America devoted to frantically chasing the shadow of a terrorist threat to no avail, eight years spent stopping every citizen at every airport to search every purse, bag, crotch and briefcase for juice boxes and explosive tubes of toothpaste. Yet in the end, our government had no mechanism for searching the balance sheets of companies that held life-or-death power over our society and was unable to spot holes in the national economy the size of Libya (whose entire GDP last year was smaller than AIG's 2008 losses). So it's time to admit it: We're fools, protagonists in a kind of gruesome comedy about the marriage of greed and stupidity. And the worst part about it is that we're still in denial - we still think this is some kind of unfortunate accident, not something that was created by the group of psychopaths on Wall Street whom we allowed to gang-rape the American Dream. When Geithner announced the new $30 billion bailout, the party line was that poor AIG was just a victim of a lot of shitty luck - bad year for business, you know, what with the financial crisis and all. Edward Liddy, the company's CEO, actually compared it to catching a cold: 'The marketplace is a pretty crummy place to be right now,' he said. 'When the world catches pneumonia, we get it too.' In a pathetic attempt at name-dropping, he even whined that AIG was being 'consumed by the same issues that are driving house prices down and 401K statements down and Warren Buffet's investment portfolio down.' Full article at: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/26793903/the_big_takeover
[FairfieldLife] Update on Je-Ru Hall
From: Jivan Hall [mailto:jivanh...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:27 AM To: jivanh...@gmail.com Subject: Update on Je-Ru Hall Dear Friends of Je-Ru, I would once again like to thank every single person who wrote a character reference letter on behalf of my father Je-Ru last December. The support from people who have known Je-Ru, (sometimes for 20 or 30 years) was incredible! His lawyer said that in all of his years of practicing law, he has never seen so much support generated in such a short amount of time. The letters attesting to his character have been submitted to the court, and Je-Ru's lawyer is confident that they will have a significant impact at his sentencing. For the last six months, Je-Ru has been incarcerated. Many people have contacted me for updates on Je-Ru and I have answered your questions to the best of my ability. In the process however, I realized that it would be much more informative to post all the information and updates online. As a result I started the following website: www.freejeruhall.com http://www.freejeruhall.com/ Latest Update: Je-Ru is still awaiting sentencing! After being postponed 3 times, it appears that Je-Ru's sentencing trial will finally take place tomorrow, Monday, March 23rd at 9am. His lawyer will argue for a minimum to zero sentence, and/or for an appeal, and for release on bail pending the appeal. Please put your attention on Je-Ru walking free tomorrow. It is possible! For an update on the results of the sentencing trial visit www.freejeruhall.com http://www.freejeruhall.com/ and click on updates. You can also read a full case history, and other interesting links and articles. Also, I would like to post some of the amazing character references that were sent in. Please send me a quick response if you do not mind having your letter posted on the website. Please mention if it is ok to post your first and last name or if you would like the letter to be posted anonymously. Thank you all for your supporting our family during this difficult time. With sincere appreciation, Jivan
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW You may be interested in attending. What should interest you would be finding a deep hole to jump into. If you won't find anyone who would like to fill the hole afterwards I'd be happy to help.
[FairfieldLife] Swami's state of the universe
Swami's 2009 State of the Universe The Shift Has Hit the Fan: Welcome to the Sane Asylum By Swami Beyondananda The shift has hit the fan! Humanity has shifted its karma into surpassing gear, and political climate change has come to America. Thanks to a grassroots up-wising, we the people huffed and puffed together in the same direction and the winds of change blew in a breath of fresh air. And we can all breathe easier. The vote in November was more than a vote for a new President. It was a vote for a new precedent to overgrow the lowest common dominator paradigm and take a step towards government of the people, by the people, for the people where the government does our bidding, not the bidding of the highest bidder -- and where the Golden Rule can finally overrule the rule of gold. In the short term, the up-wising has been successful, and the American Evolution has begun. The first big shots have been fired, and we are on the road to recovering from an eight- year bout with Mad Cowboy Disease and Electile Dysfunction. But now, if we want to heal the body politic of conditions like Deficit Inattention Disorder, Truth Decay and the deadliest one of all, a n unchecked Military Industrial Complex, we must elect ourselves. Spiritually, it's time to quiet our barking dogmas and evolve past the Ten Commandments to an even greater realization - the One Suggestion: We are all in it together. Once a critical mass of us chooses to live by this credo, we can avoid the critical massacre called Armageddon, create Disarmageddon instead, and achieve fulfillment as a species -- Humanifest Destiny. The End of the Age of Nefarious? Every journey into the light is preceded by a dark passage, and our entry into the Age of Aquarius is no different. As predicted in the celebrated quatrain (When the goon moves into Lincoln's house, and stupider aligns with Mars, then greed will guide the planet and fear obscure the stars ...), the Age of Nefarious delayed the start of the new millennium. But now the quatrain is heading down a new track, and soular power is shining a light on the endarkened corridors of soulless power. Just as the eight-year journey that took us from Whitewater to Blackwater was coming to an end, some overzealous Bush-bashers hurled footwear to give the departing regime one final boot. That was understandable, but unnecessary. Better we should keep our shoes on, and use them to stand together at a time when healing wounds is more important than wounding heels. Besides, without Bush there could have been no Obama. His alarming actions awakened more people than Buddha, and a body politic in a fear-induced coma miraculously regained consciousness. And now there is a new President: Barack Hussein Obama. After eight years of insanity, we can proclaim to the world, America has a President Hussein! So now, we must face another awesome truth: We are living in a world gone sane. Welcome to the sane asylum. Trickle Down Goes Belly Up It's a good thing our political fates are on the upswing, as our economy has taken a sharp downturn. The house of credit cards economy based on trickle down has gone belly up, and we must face another, sadder truth. Individually and collectively, we've been suffering from Deficit Inattention Disorder, and since we were unable to do the math, we must now do the aftermath. It's a buy-o-logical fact. You cannot spend more than you have. Nature knows this. We can use no more energy than what we have in reserve. We cannot charge energy on our Ascended Master Card and repay it next lifetime. So yes, the casino economy coming down, but there is an upside to the meltdown. There is a great opportunity in the crisis. Consider this. When the dollar hits zero, we can pay off our entire $10 trillion national debt and hardly feel it! Meanwhile, over the past eight years we have seen the fall of reptilian entities like Enronosaurus Wrecks, and most recently a character named Madoff made off with billions. Our entire economic system has been revealed as an extraordinary ponzi scheme where ordinary people are left holding the empty bag. Unfortunately, this is nothing new. It's the same old needy-greedy where our collective fear of not having enough -- scare city -- has empowered those privatizing privateers who are plundering our planet with their mining operations: that's mine, that's mine, that's mine. This mining has overmined the planet and undermined humanity. Thus, the emergency we face right now. So, what do we do? I am glad I asked that question. We must go beyond the fear-based state of emergency, to a state of emergent seeing. That is where we emerge and see the genuine wealth that is all around us: the virtually infinite energy from Father Sun, the prolific nourishment Mother Earth brings us every season, the love we generate from our hearts, and the inventiveness of our minds. With this realization, we have a one
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
Knapp, Knapp, Knapp Christian, Christian, Christian - Original Message - From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW You may be interested in attending. What should interest you would be finding a deep hole to jump into. If you won't find anyone who would like to fill the hole afterwards I'd be happy to help. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Update on Je-Ru Hall
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: From: Jivan Hall [mailto:jivanh...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:27 AM To: jivanh...@gmail.com Subject: Update on Je-Ru Hall Latest Update: Je-Ru is still awaiting sentencing! After being postponed 3 times, it appears that Je-Ru's sentencing trial will finally take place tomorrow, Monday, March 23rd at 9am. His lawyer will argue for a minimum to zero sentence, and/or for an appeal, and for release on bail pending the appeal. I would not want to be awaiting sentencing during these times of popularism gone wide with Congress passing bills of attainder and the Administration asking for the power to nationalize any company that's misbehaving.
[FairfieldLife] Radiation towers
From: Bob Lemlin Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:03 AM To: Tim Hawthorne Cc: Creative Subject: FW: radiation towers Luke Stenger, Tony Stenger's (former hdi employee) son produced this. Nicely done. http://www.vimeo.com/3790860
[FairfieldLife] Re: Update on Je-Ru Hall
Good luck but again, what a crock. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: Jivan Hall [mailto:jivanh...@...] Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:27 AM To: jivanh...@... Subject: Update on Je-Ru Hall Dear Friends of Je-Ru, I would once again like to thank every single person who wrote a character reference letter on behalf of my father Je-Ru last December. The support from people who have known Je-Ru, (sometimes for 20 or 30 years) was incredible! His lawyer said that in all of his years of practicing law, he has never seen so much support generated in such a short amount of time. The letters attesting to his character have been submitted to the court, and Je-Ru's lawyer is confident that they will have a significant impact at his sentencing. For the last six months, Je-Ru has been incarcerated. Many people have contacted me for updates on Je-Ru and I have answered your questions to the best of my ability. In the process however, I realized that it would be much more informative to post all the information and updates online. As a result I started the following website: www.freejeruhall.com http://www.freejeruhall.com/ Latest Update: Je-Ru is still awaiting sentencing! After being postponed 3 times, it appears that Je-Ru's sentencing trial will finally take place tomorrow, Monday, March 23rd at 9am. His lawyer will argue for a minimum to zero sentence, and/or for an appeal, and for release on bail pending the appeal. Please put your attention on Je-Ru walking free tomorrow. It is possible! For an update on the results of the sentencing trial visit www.freejeruhall.com http://www.freejeruhall.com/ and click on updates. You can also read a full case history, and other interesting links and articles. Also, I would like to post some of the amazing character references that were sent in. Please send me a quick response if you do not mind having your letter posted on the website. Please mention if it is ok to post your first and last name or if you would like the letter to be posted anonymously. Thank you all for your supporting our family during this difficult time. With sincere appreciation, Jivan
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: Knapp, Knapp, Knapp Christian, Christian, Christian - Original Message - From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW You may be interested in attending. What should interest you would be finding a deep hole to jump into. If you won't find anyone who would like to fill the hole afterwards I'd be happy to help. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: tmo banking
Zero transparency and accountability in financial dealings, wonder why the tmo is there? Do we need to spell it out. I suppose we do. Various TM charities around the world take in funds and then send them to international. On each set of national accounts we will see X amount received, mostly in donations since there's no business to speak of, and Y sent abroad to further the purposes of the charity, with X-Y appearing to be a reasonable amount for administration. Then the Indian charity will show amounts A coming into the country, and amounts B being spent ostensibly on the purposes of the charity, with A-B being a reasonable amount. It's not until you put all the figures from all over the world together that you'll see massive discrepancies, with the total amount going to Jersey being much much more than the amount recorded as going to the Indian charities. The difference of course goes to the Srivastava/Varma clan and is smuggled into India as gold bars or whatever. The TMO could clear up the bad smell once and for all by having an independent audit of the entire global business, but you can be pretty sure that's not going to happen because if it does certain senior figures could be looking at time behind bars.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Update on Je-Ru Hall
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: Jivan Hall [mailto:jivanh...@...] Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:27 AM To: jivanh...@... Subject: Update on Je-Ru Hall Latest Update: Je-Ru is still awaiting sentencing! After being postponed 3 times, it appears that Je-Ru's sentencing trial will finally take place tomorrow, Monday, March 23rd at 9am. His lawyer will argue for a minimum to zero sentence, and/or for an appeal, and for release on bail pending the appeal. I would not want to be awaiting sentencing during these times of popularism gone wide with Congress passing bills of attainder and the Administration asking for the power to nationalize any company that's misbehaving. Please reference how the Administration is asking for this??? It's nonsense. The Administration hasn't even nationalize banks that are broke and being subsidized by the gov't.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Update on Je-Ru Hall
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: Jivan Hall [mailto:jivanh...@...] Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:27 AM To: jivanh...@... Subject: Update on Je-Ru Hall Dear Friends of Je-Ru, I would once again like to thank every single person who wrote a character reference letter on behalf of my father Je-Ru last December. The support from people who have known Je-Ru, (sometimes for 20 or 30 years) was incredible! His lawyer said that in all of his years of practicing law, he has never seen so much support generated in such a short amount of time. The letters attesting to his character have been submitted to the court, and Je-Ru's lawyer is confident that they will have a significant impact at his sentencing. For the last six months, Je-Ru has been incarcerated. Many people have contacted me for updates on Je-Ru and I have answered your questions to the best of my ability. In the process however, I realized that it would be much more informative to post all the information and updates online. As a result I started the following website: www.freejeruhall.com http://www.freejeruhall.com/ Latest Update: Je-Ru is still awaiting sentencing! After being postponed 3 times, it appears that Je-Ru's sentencing trial will finally take place tomorrow, Monday, March 23rd at 9am. His lawyer will argue for a minimum to zero sentence, and/or for an appeal, and for release on bail pending the appeal. Please put your attention on Je-Ru walking free tomorrow. It is possible! For an update on the results of the sentencing trial visit www.freejeruhall.com http://www.freejeruhall.com/ and click on updates. You can also read a full case history, and other interesting links and articles. Also, I would like to post some of the amazing character references that were sent in. Please send me a quick response if you do not mind having your letter posted on the website. Please mention if it is ok to post your first and last name or if you would like the letter to be posted anonymously. Thank you all for your supporting our family during this difficult time. With sincere appreciation, Jivan This is such BS Jeru was part of a classic investment scam that promised ridiculous guaranteed interest rates of about 100% on some super secret offshore bank debenture and marketed this to naive new agey types along with a whole mythology about how they were allowing satvic spiritual people to take part in the same investments that all the big bad rich people know about but keep to themselves. If you do your own research on sattva bank you'll see that the people behind this scam are borderline sociopaths in loose silk clothes. That fflders are writing character references for jeru because he's a long time sidha is just stupid. Don't sidhas ever get tired being scammed??
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: Knapp, Knapp, Knapp Christian, Christian, Christian Hey John, Overlooking Nabbie's spiritual perspective on burying you alive for posting an alternative POV to the TM party line for a moment... is your opposition to TM based on Christian faith? I never got this angle from you before so I hoped you would address it. - Original Message - From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW You may be interested in attending. What should interest you would be finding a deep hole to jump into. If you won't find anyone who would like to fill the hole afterwards I'd be happy to help. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Real Time: How Dangerous is the Hate Talk From the Right?
do.rflex wrote: How Dangerous is the Hate Talk From the Right?- By week's end, I was more depressed about the financial crisis than I've been since last September. Back then, the issue was the disintegration of the financial system, as the Lehman bankruptcy set off a terrible chain reaction. Now I'm worried that the political response is making the crisis worse. The Obama administration appears to have lost its grip on Congress, while the Treasury Department always seems caught off guard by bad news. And Congress, with its howls of rage, its chaotic, episodic reaction to the crisis, and its shameless playing to the crowds, is out of control. This week, the body politic ran off the rails. Read more: 'The Problem With Flogging A.I.G. Posted by Andrew Ross Sorkin New York Times, March 23, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/dh9q6v
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Word On The Nature Of Film Criticism And Spiritual Belief
ruthsimplicity wrote: I, of course, would love to see you levitate and then see what I would think about it. Most likely I would think you had learned a cool trick. Ruth, Really? Merely a cool trick? WTF? The red-flag aspect of all levitation reports is that the exhibition of such is done in a non-scientific venuesuch as that employed by Criss Angel who shows himself levitating high in the air with a crowd of onlookers -- but it turns out, he was on a wire and the crowd was entirely made up of paid shills, and the whole thing is a sham from the get-go and breaks the once-highly-held moral intent of magicians to not use camera tricks. Turq keeps insisting that he was in a crowd that saw the Rama guy levitate, and, yep, there's Turq saying ain't no big thang...yawn. To me that's Turq's tell that he's not being on the up and up with us. It is one thing for him to tell us he's seen levitation one time, but he says he's seen it many times, and that's where the story becomes a tale told instead of a factual accounting. Why? Cuz think about it. If someone can levitate and do so at will, it represents a complete annihilation of many foundational axioms of hard-won scientific conclusions. It means gravity control is possible. Tell someone at the CIA that you've got gravity control down pat, show them an act of levitation, and see if they don't hustle you off to a prison while they study you and see if they can make it work for their war machines. Tell NASA you got it, and they'll say, Now we can explore the stars FAST. Why didn't Turq or any of the many smart folks who Turq says saw acts of levitation not get it that the demonstrated levitation was not merely a spiritual miracle but also represented a technology that foretold the complete collapse of the industries of oil, auto, highway construction, military complex and on and on it goes? If levitation is real, then all of physics must be reexamined. Turq and others should have known this -- should have told Rama to save all of humanity with this knowledge. To put it simply: levitation is a weapon of mass destruction. The power is so incredible, that no aspect of civilization would be untouched by its application to the real world. Yet no one in the crowd saw fit to ask Rama why he wasn't being kidnapped by some government and water-boarded until he told the secrets he must know to have obtained such power. If true levitation were to be performed, there would be an immediate, massive, world-wide shift of consciousness as it sank in that such an ability was real. Overnight, religions would gel around the concept and immediate start getting some of the people power back from those who'd been grabbed by scientific thought instead. The fact that the Rama guy wasn't kidnapped is a huge tell that he was simply faking. You simply cannot levitate for real in today's world with today's educated folks and expect that a clamor would not immediately arise that the levitation be investigated -- since it simply promises miracles for the asking. It indicates that panacea-thought is practical. In other words, Ruth, not merely a neat trick. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
Interesting that this question keeps coming up. Do you think only Christians have problems with TM in public schools? What about skeptic and atheist communities? Or, for that matter, other religious people? I am not a Christian in any sense of the word. I am most at home in the Buddhist and Hindu traditions. I WAS raised a Catholic. But I left the Church in my early teens, never to look back. I have great respect for Christian beliefs. They are just not my own. BTW, everyone is welcome to attend the Web Event -- no matter what they believe about TM: good, bad, or indifferent. J. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: Knapp, Knapp, Knapp Christian, Christian, Christian - Original Message - From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW You may be interested in attending. What should interest you would be finding a deep hole to jump into. If you won't find anyone who would like to fill the hole afterwards I'd be happy to help. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Wave Posting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: Damn! And here I thought I had a great cover for my poor typing skills and being too lazy to edit my posts. :) Bummer. :-) The 60's music is a good example. I still like some, but as you say, a lot is near to unlistenable. But some has that awesome energy. Some live performances really were in the zone -- but recordings did not captured it. I saw Jefferson Airplane once in an outdoor venue -- and in one high energy song -- they literally seemed to rise above the stage. (An unenhanced perception). Perhaps. :-) When I said that Big Brother didn't hold up, BTW, I was talking about the band. Janis had some talent, but the band was basically a group of meth freaks who could barely play their instruments. And the Dead -- lots of crap -- but lots of great moments. Jerry could say just the right thing at just the right time with his guitar -- at times. And they had some interesting lyrics. Jerry's guitar was a Force Of Nature. Better poetry in my opinion than Hunter's lyrics. And his voice was so woeful and soulful. But the thing that made The Dead who they were were those awesome moments of jazz-like synergy, in which they ceased to be a bunch of different beings up on stage, and fused into one whole that was seemingly all on the exact same wave- length. That happened quite often in the early days, but became much fewer and far between as Jerry sunk into abusing his diabetes, abusing hard drugs like heroin, and just abusing his gift. It was sad to see. And Country Joe live did some amazing things that did not come through on their recordings. I'm just saying that they were very mediocre musicians who, at the time, skated by on charisma and the fact that most of us in the audience were too stoned to notice. And as cliche as the song is now, the first time I heard light my fire -- hitchhiking and picked up in a (again cliche) microbus -- I knew we weren't in Kansas anymore. Again, I'm categorizing The Doors as crappy musicians. Robby had to memorize his guitar parts, and played the same solos at every gig, note for note. John was an OK drummer, but nothing to write home about. And the keyboard player/keyboard bassist was pretty good, but he had to pull a lot of dead weight. As for Morrison himself, I personally had run-ins with him and didn't like him at all, and think that *his* charisma was largely projected onto him. YMMV. A whole new vibe (for then). though that REALLY happened to the nth power, with Hendrix's first album. There we are completely agreed. Jimi was THE musician of that decade, head and shoulders above the rest. The man could really PLAY. And his charisma was not projected onto him; he really had some. In looking at some Godard -- it is almost painful at times. I might edit out the word almost. :-) But there is a light whimsy (not wimpy) in them that is refreshing. Bertolucci in The Dreamers makes you reconsider values and norms. Godard does the same thing. Both can be uncomfortable at times. I think the difference is that Bertolucci is an old man who became a fully-realized and talented filmmaker looking back at those days, fully in command of what he's putting onscreen. Godard never got to that point. IMO, of course. I find my cringing at some Godard stuff makes me ponder why it makes me feel uncomfortable -- cinematically. I have no such problem. A lot of it sucked. :-) As did parts of The Dreamers -- sexually. That was my favorite part. :-) Breaking boundaries and clearing out the cobwebs is not always comfortable and pleasant. BTW, I watched the Last Emperor and Stealing Beauty this week (Bertolucci week). He is an interesting director with interesting themes. Indeed. One of his strengths was an appreciation of physical beauty, and a willingness to put it onscreen. Even in his Romeo and Juliet he did this. And, as an aside, There is not such thing as love, only proof of love shows up in both The Dreamers and Stealing Beauty. I'm a closet fan of Stealing Beauty. I love that film.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Update on Je-Ru Hall
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:56 AM, boo_lives boo_li...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: Jivan Hall [mailto:jivanh...@...] Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:27 AM To: jivanh...@... Subject: Update on Je-Ru Hall Latest Update: Je-Ru is still awaiting sentencing! After being postponed 3 times, it appears that Je-Ru's sentencing trial will finally take place tomorrow, Monday, March 23rd at 9am. His lawyer will argue for a minimum to zero sentence, and/or for an appeal, and for release on bail pending the appeal. I would not want to be awaiting sentencing during these times of popularism gone wide with Congress passing bills of attainder and the Administration asking for the power to nationalize any company that's misbehaving. Please reference how the Administration is asking for this??? It's nonsense. The Administration hasn't even nationalize banks that are broke and being subsidized by the gov't. I posted this yesterday with a URL to the video Oh hail our Savior Obama popular during the campaign. We had caught on by then already. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/22/us/politics/22regulate.html?_r=2hp=pagewanted=print http://tinyurl.com/ctnoa4 March 22, 2009 Administration Seeks Increase in Oversight of Executive Pay By STEPHEN LABATON WASHINGTON — The Obama administration will call for increased oversight of executive pay at all banks, Wall Street firms and possibly other companies as part of a sweeping plan to overhaul financial regulation, government officials said. The outlines of the plan are expected to be unveiled this week in preparation for President Obama’s first foreign summit meeting in early April. Increasing oversight of executive pay has been under consideration for some time, but the decision was made in recent days as public fury over bonuses has spilled into the regulatory effort. The officials said that the administration was still debating the details of its plan, including how broadly it should be applied and how far it could range beyond simple reporting requirements. Depending on the outcome of the discussions, the administration could seek to put the changes into effect through regulations rather than through legislation. One proposal could impose greater requirements on the boards of companies to tie executive compensation more closely to corporate performance and to take other steps to assure that outsize bonuses are not paid before meeting financial goals. The new rules will cover all financial institutions, including those not now covered by any pay rules because they are not receiving federal bailout money. Officials say the rules could also be applied more broadly to publicly traded companies, which already report about some executive pay practices to the Securities and Exchange Commission. Last month, as part of the stimulus package, Congress barred top executives at large banks getting rescue money from receiving bonuses exceeding one-third of their annual pay. Beyond the pay rules, officials said the regulatory plan is expected to call for a broad new role for the Federal Reserve to oversee large companies, including major hedge funds, whose problems could pose risks to the entire financial system. It will propose that many kinds of derivatives and other exotic financial instruments that contributed to the crisis be traded on exchanges or through clearinghouses so they are more transparent and can be more tightly regulated. And to protect consumers, it will call for federal standards for mortgage lenders beyond what the Federal Reserve adopted last year, as well as more aggressive enforcement of the mortgage rules. The plan is being put together in advance of the meeting of the Group of 20 industrialized and developing nations in London, which is expected to be dominated by the global financial crisis and discussions about better oversight of large financial companies whose problems could threaten to undermine international markets. An important part of the plan still under debate is how to regulate the shadow banking system that Wall Street firms use to package and trade mortgage-backed securities, the so-called toxic assets held by many banks and blamed for the credit crisis. Officials said the plan would also call for increasing the levels of capital that financial institutions need to hold to absorb possible losses. But in a sign of the fragility of the economic system officials said the administration would emphasize that those heightened standards should not be imposed now because they could discourage more lending. Rather, they would be put in place after the economy began to rebound. “The argument some are making is that they don’t want to be stepping on the gas pedal and the brake at the same time,” said Morris Goldstein, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Update on Je-Ru Hall
On Mar 23, 2009, at 11:53 AM, boo_lives wrote: This is such BS Jeru was part of a classic investment scam that promised ridiculous guaranteed interest rates of about 100% on some super secret offshore bank debenture and marketed this to naive new agey types along with a whole mythology about how they were allowing satvic spiritual people to take part in the same investments that all the big bad rich people know about but keep to themselves. If you do your own research on sattva bank you'll see that the people behind this scam are borderline sociopaths in loose silk clothes. That fflders are writing character references for jeru because he's a long time sidha is just stupid. Don't sidhas ever get tired being scammed?? Not if it's for World Piece.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknap...@... wrote: The upcoming McCartney/Lynch Concert to benefit the David Lynch Foundation will raise funds to teach Transcendental Meditation in the public schools. Many critics feel this is a clear Church/State violation because of the religious trappings of Transcendental Meditation. A group of critics -- including James Randi, Barry Markovsky, Meera Nanda, Andrew Skolnick, myself, and others -- have organized a free web event to discuss this controversy. You may be interested in attending. You can find the details at http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmconcert.html http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmconcert.html Since the ruling on TM, back in the late '70's, I can see our school system has really improved in so many ways... Do you really think that practicing TM in schools would be a bad thing? Do you think that ruling did anything to improve the quality of education or the quality of anything? R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blistering Frank Rich piece on AIG, the administration and more
do.rflex wrote: Inquiring Americans have the right to know why it took six months for us to learn (some of) what A.I.G. did with our money A hypocrite who bungles a bailout, failing to perform due diligence and check the compensation arrangements (which had to have been disclosed to shareholders in public filings), hands out scores of billions of dollars, knows it is coming, and then feigns surprise and outrage. Read more: 'AIG bonus outrage exposed as a White House con game' American Thinker, March 18, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/d2t4oz
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rachel Maddow: Deregulation for Dummies
do.rflex wrote: Deregulation for Dummies... President Clinton's tenure was characterized by economic prosperity and financial deregulation, which in many ways set the stage for the excesses of recent years. Read more: '25 People to Blame for the Financial Crisis' Time, February 16, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/ajyxou
Re: [FairfieldLife] Amazon Kindle
On Mar 22, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Does anyone use one of these? Like it? Don't? Easy to read with it? I haven't used one, but I've seen others doing so. There was a soldier on a flight I was on who loved his. He said it was great for his lifestyle, being stationed in Iraq, since he couldn't schlep a lot of books around. His was the older model. The newer ones are supposed to be even easier to read and better in other respects. Anyone you know here who might be willing to show theirs, Rick? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: Since the ruling on TM, back in the late '70's, I can see our school system has really improved in so many ways... I work in schools, in many ways they have improved. Especially with regard to less naivete about the agenda of groups like TM. Do you really think that practicing TM in schools would be a bad thing? No one is saying they can't practice it if their parents want them to. It is presenting it in schools that is the problem for me. I was introduced to TM in my high school. I wish the adults in my world had done a bit more due diligence in checking it out. They seemed to take every claim at face value and it influenced the credibility I gave it to see the adults nodding their heads. Do you think that ruling did anything to improve the quality of education or the quality of anything? I do. I am not against kids having a moment of silence but the indoctrination into the belief system of TM is too much to support for me. Skipping the puja would be a start in the right direction. But this line is very important to keep an eye on with millions of Christians trying to subvert science classes with creationism dressed up as intelligent design. Being very clear about where our beliefs come from is critical for our survival. Blurring this line is dangerous because it makes harder to rank the probability of beliefs if religious concepts are blended with more rigorously supported beliefs. And in today's multicultural school system, it is ridiculous to try to pawn off the Hindu based TM system as scientific. R.G. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: The upcoming McCartney/Lynch Concert to benefit the David Lynch Foundation will raise funds to teach Transcendental Meditation in the public schools. Many critics feel this is a clear Church/State violation because of the religious trappings of Transcendental Meditation. A group of critics -- including James Randi, Barry Markovsky, Meera Nanda, Andrew Skolnick, myself, and others -- have organized a free web event to discuss this controversy. You may be interested in attending. You can find the details at http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmconcert.html http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmconcert.html Since the ruling on TM, back in the late '70's, I can see our school system has really improved in so many ways... Do you really think that practicing TM in schools would be a bad thing? Do you think that ruling did anything to improve the quality of education or the quality of anything? R.G.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dogs, Death, and Emotions. Was: Non-Duality Cartoons
On Mar 22, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Nabs, you actually feel the draining effect of a dog or a cat if they touch you? Shame on you! Your samadhi is is not strong. You need to get checked! Good point. If you have an infinite bank account, you're happy to contribute to others in need. I'd be glad to contribute to nabs if he would just get lost. Seriously, I would. Sal
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dogs, Death, and Emotions. Was: Non-Duality Cartoons
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:25 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dogs, Death, and Emotions. Was: Non-Duality Cartoons On Mar 22, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Nabs, you actually feel the draining effect of a dog or a cat if they touch you? Shame on you! Your samadhi is is not strong. You need to get checked! Good point. If you have an infinite bank account, you're happy to contribute to others in need. I'd be glad to contribute to nabs if he would just get lost. Seriously, I would. Don't you think he's already somewhat lost?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Amazon Kindle
On Mar 22, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Does anyone use one of these? Like it? Don't? Easy to read with it? I haven't used one, but I've seen others doing so. There was a soldier on a flight I was on who loved his. He said it was great for his lifestyle, being stationed in Iraq, since he couldn't schlep a lot of books around. His was the older model. The newer ones are supposed to be even easier to read and better in other respects. Anyone you know here who might be willing to show theirs, Rick? Sal No, but I'll keep it in mind.
[FairfieldLife] An Informed opinion on musicians of the 60's
I just read a laughable piece by a poster who I know is not a musician about the musicians in 60's bands. Thing is I knew many of these people. Many of us shared a similar background: we studied music seriously. Many of the rock musicians if they didn't have a classical background were in jazz. When they saw the money being made playing music they could play in their sleep they jumped into the scene. I recall one summer evening in 1967 when the Grateful Dead came to visit our band's three story run down mansion overlooking the Seattle Center from Queen Anne. We sat around listen to John Cage on the stereo and discussing elements of classical music. These guys knew their stuff. I also believe some of the guys in Janis's band were out of the Mark V another northwest rock group of skilled musicians. Sure many folks got so stoned out of their mind they could barely play. A few years later that element went away after some managers and entrepreneurs figured out to let the audience get stoned but make sure the damn band could get through a set worth what the audience paid to hear. In the 1960's the record companies didn't know what to do with the psychedelic scene. Some fought it and produced only bubble gum music including bubble gum psychedelic (think Strawberry Alarm Clock, a band of fine musicians depressed because they had to play to audiences of 13 year old kids because that's what their record company wanted). Other major companies started throwing money at the scene. I talked with a producer from Columbia Records who had a budget to sign some groups and was interested in ours, if we could somehow get out of our bad record contract with a Seattle label. Columbia was paying $50K advances at the time which was a bit of money in those days. Even Gram Parsons, considered the father of modern country music had a background in jazz. There are many in the country field with jazz and classical backgrounds. Often the record company PR people like to hide the backgrounds. They loved the Horatio Alger type story of a musician who could barely play making it big. Sure there were a few three (and two) chord wonders out there but they were often backed by people who knew what they were doing. While we're on the music history topic I watched Cadillac Records last night on Blu-Ray. It may also go into my collection. It is an excellent movie on the story of Chess Records and how it brought many blues musicians like Muddy Waters into the limelight.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amazon Kindle
On Mar 22, 2009, at 3:17 PM, grate.swan wrote: I have one. Its pretty easy to read -- and one can change the font size to better fit ones needs. It is not back lit -- so you need a light in darker places -- similar to books. You can read well in bright sunlight, a huge distinction from PC screens. Its light an small -- fits into my cargo pants pockets. I was wondering about the backlight too... do you think that would have improved it? It has access to wiki -- a big plus -- wiki everywhere. And access to web sites -- but pared down and a bit cumbersome if the site is complex. And you can get e-mails on it. And store ones own PDFs. All features that I like. A key buying point for me was savings on books -- they are typically half to 1/3 the price of regular amazon books -- and no shipping costs or wait. Buy 30 books and it pays for itself. Excellent point And storage of books is certainly easier -- cuts down on bookcases, moving costs, etc. And the pages don't yellow with time. Not all books are available -- but they are converting large numbers daily -- with the goal of soon having all of their books in Kindle version. And you can download (which is relatively quick for a toy -- a minute for a full size book) sample chapters for free! -- and explore new books at your leisure. I have 50 or so such that I am jumping around with. Which will cut down costs in that I will buy less books on spec and less of those that don't suit me. And I am finding lots of books that I normally would not come across or browse. I know you can do samaple chapters on-line too -- but Kindle allows you to do anywhere. AND classics are all FREE. War and Peace, Crime and Punishment, Madame Bovary etc -- no cost. I have probably paid for the kindle just in my free down loads. And it has text to voice. A bit electroniky -- but not too bad. And it will get better. And you can increase the speed and zip through listenings. All great points...thanks! Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknap...@... wrote: Interesting that this question keeps coming up. The really interesting question would be if you dared jump into a very, very deep and dark hole and let someone fill it up with filth and dirth. According to my information fools like you are going out of circulation big time now (after a natural death ofcourse, nothing sinister will happen) and will be kept out of incarnation for a rather long time. You represent energies that are on the way out of this earth anyway so why delay ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
Judy, The jury about the reality of physics may still be out. For now, all of these scientists are still speculating. Even Hawking, the English physicist, has bet $100 that the scientists of the Hadron Collider in Switzerland will not find the missing particle needed to prove the unification theory in physics. Instead, Hawking is predicting that the scientists will find more particles to confuse the physics pot, so to speak. Intuitively, I do appreciate the idea that a musician like Andrea Bocelli can be considered a scientist of the genius kind. The same could be said for Monet and other artists--writers included. Regards, JR It's not really a *new* discovery, though. It's about as old as quantum physics is. In his (brilliant, IMHO) introductory essay to his Quantum Questions: Mystical Writings of the World's Great Physicists (Shambhala, 1984), Ken Wilber quotes a gaggle of early 20th-century physicists to exactly this effect. He points out that until the development of quantum mechanics, physicists thought physics *did* describe reality. Quantum physics proved indisputably not only that it did not, but that it *could* not. All physics could provide were symbols, mere shadows of reality. Physicists such as Heisenberg, Schroedinger, Pauli, and Eddington turned to mysticism not because the new physics validated a metaphysical understanding of reality, but because the new physics told us that the true nature of reality was forever beyond the reach of physics. Whether mysticism provides a direct, unmediated experience of the true nature of reality is another question, but it's for sure that physics doesn't. This isn't even new to D'Espagnat, for that matter. In 1979 he published an article in Scientific American titled The Quantum Theory and Reality, whose thesis was, The doctrine that the world is made up of objects whose existence is independent of human consciousness turns out to be in conflict with quantum mechanics and with facts established by experiment: http://www.sciam.com/media/pdf/197911_0158.pdf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: . http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2009/316/1 Science Cannot Fully Describe Reality, Says Templeton Prize Winner By David Lindley ScienceNOW Daily News 16 March 2009 What is reality? French physicist Bernard d'Espagnat, 87, has spent a lifetime grappling with this question. Over the years, he has developed the idea that the reality revealed by science offers only a veiled view of an underlying reality that science cannot access, and that the scientific view must take its place alongside the reality revealed by art, spirituality, and other forms of human inquiry. In recognition of these efforts, d'Espagnat has won this year's Templeton Prize, a £1 million ($1.4 million) award sponsored by the Templeton Foundation, which supports research at the intersection of science, philosophy, and religion. In classical physics, what you see is what you get: Any measurement is presumed to reveal an intrinsic quality--mass, location, velocity--of the thing measured. But in quantum mechanics, things aren't so clear-cut. In general, the measurement of a quantum object can yield a range of possible outcomes, so that the original quantum state must be regarded as indefinite. More perplexing still are entangled states in which, despite being physically separated, two or more quantum objects remain linked, so that a measurement of one affects the measurements of the others (ScienceNOW, 13 August 2008). Albert Einstein and others objected to the implications of these lines of thought and insisted that quantum mechanics was an incomplete theory precisely because it did not support old-fashioned literal realism. But that's a lost cause, says d'Espagnat, who studied particle physics early in his career. Instead, he has concluded that physicists must abandon naïve realism and embrace a more sophisticated philosophy of reality. Quantum mechanics allows what d'Espagnat calls weak objectivity, in that it predicts probabilities of observable phenomena in an indisputable way. But the inherent uncertainty of quantum measurements means that it is impossible to infer an unambiguous description of reality as it really is, he says. He has proposed that behind measured phenomena exists what he calls a veiled reality that genuinely exists, independently of us, even though we lack the ability to fully describe it. Asked whether that entails a kind of mysticism, d'Espagnat responds that science isn't everything and that we are already accustomed to the idea that when we hear beautiful music, or see paintings, or read poetry, [we get] a faint glimpse of a reality that underlies empirical reality. In the possibility of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amazon Kindle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Mar 22, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Does anyone use one of these? Like it? Don't? Easy to read with it? I haven't used one, but I've seen others doing so. There was a soldier on a flight I was on who loved his. He said it was great for his lifestyle, being stationed in Iraq, since he couldn't schlep a lot of books around. His was the older model. The newer ones are supposed to be even easier to read and better in other respects. Anyone you know here who might be willing to show theirs, Rick? Can I merely hope that you are still talking about the Amazon thingy? If you're talking about other kinds of thingys, watch out. Edg will decide that you're a predator and hold a grudge against you until Doomsday. :-) It gets even worse if he's decided that you're a predator and then it turns out that you've done things and had experiences he hasn't. When that happens the jealousy *really* hits the fan and the grudge is more likely to last into the next cycle of Yugas. :-) :-) :-)
[FairfieldLife] Time out...to feel good
Okay. With all this talk about Je-Ru going to jail and Knapp and AIG, I thought the following is timely and appropriate. Click on the following and feel good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJzcF0v1eOE .
[FairfieldLife] OT: RTS turns bullish?
http://www.rts.ru/en/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dogs, Death, and Emotions. Was: Non-Duality Cartoons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: On Mar 22, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Nabs, you actually feel the draining effect of a dog or a cat if they touch you? Shame on you! Your samadhi is is not strong. You need to get checked! Don't you think he's already somewhat lost? Hopefully I'm forever lost to everything that even vaguely resembles the intense ignorance you represent. That I still bother to throw in a post here occasionally tells me I still have a way to go.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Informed opinion on musicians of the 60's
as always, anjoyed reading this piece. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: I just read a laughable piece by a poster who I know is not a musician about the musicians in 60's bands. Thing is I knew many of these people. Many of us shared a similar background: we studied music seriously. Many of the rock musicians if they didn't have a classical background were in jazz. When they saw the money being made playing music they could play in their sleep they jumped into the scene. I recall one summer evening in 1967 when the Grateful Dead came to visit our band's three story run down mansion overlooking the Seattle Center from Queen Anne. We sat around listen to John Cage on the stereo and discussing elements of classical music. These guys knew their stuff. I also believe some of the guys in Janis's band were out of the Mark V another northwest rock group of skilled musicians. Sure many folks got so stoned out of their mind they could barely play. A few years later that element went away after some managers and entrepreneurs figured out to let the audience get stoned but make sure the damn band could get through a set worth what the audience paid to hear. In the 1960's the record companies didn't know what to do with the psychedelic scene. Some fought it and produced only bubble gum music including bubble gum psychedelic (think Strawberry Alarm Clock, a band of fine musicians depressed because they had to play to audiences of 13 year old kids because that's what their record company wanted). Other major companies started throwing money at the scene. I talked with a producer from Columbia Records who had a budget to sign some groups and was interested in ours, if we could somehow get out of our bad record contract with a Seattle label. Columbia was paying $50K advances at the time which was a bit of money in those days. Even Gram Parsons, considered the father of modern country music had a background in jazz. There are many in the country field with jazz and classical backgrounds. Often the record company PR people like to hide the backgrounds. They loved the Horatio Alger type story of a musician who could barely play making it big. Sure there were a few three (and two) chord wonders out there but they were often backed by people who knew what they were doing. While we're on the music history topic I watched Cadillac Records last night on Blu-Ray. It may also go into my collection. It is an excellent movie on the story of Chess Records and how it brought many blues musicians like Muddy Waters into the limelight.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:19 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknap...@... wrote: Interesting that this question keeps coming up. The really interesting question would be if you dared jump into a very, very deep and dark hole and let someone fill it up with filth and dirth. According to my information And Nabby has some friends in high places, so watch out! fools like you are going out of circulation big time now (after a natural death ofcourse, nothing sinister will happen) and will be kept out of incarnation for a rather long time. You represent energies that are on the way out of this earth anyway so why delay ? Are you suggesting that John off himself, Nabby?
[FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Nice article. It's a refreshing thought or discovery from the so-called scientific mind. When do we get to see some from the so-called spiritual mind? Try reading David Frawley's books. He's got some unique observations about the symbolisms used in the vedic literature.
RE: [FairfieldLife] An Informed opinion on musicians of the 60's
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] An Informed opinion on musicians of the 60's Some fought it and produced only bubble gum music including bubble gum psychedelic (think Strawberry Alarm Clock, a band of fine musicians depressed because they had to play to audiences of 13 year old kids because that's what their record company wanted). They wrote a song on Transcendental Meditation. I heard it on a car radio while hitchhiking out to California, before I had learned TM.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dog-Lover Mahasiddha
TurquoiseB wrote: A boy loves his dog... Leave it to Vaj and Turq to completely miss the real meaning of the myth, namely, that the Kukkuripa went into the cave to meditate - that's the point. It really isn't just a story about a boy and his dog. And of course the 'Paradise of the Dakinis' isn't heaven - there are no enlightened sages in Brahma's 'Heaven of the thirty-three'. Siddhas do not aspire to get into heaven - siddhas are immortal and aspire to go to Siddhaloka, the 'other shore' of the Transcendent. What's overlooked by the Vaj and the Turq is that the Mahasiddhas all practiced a meditation that is transcendental, just like we TMers practice. These two don't want to admit this, but all the tantriks sidhas were transcendentalists. 19. Intone a sound audibly, then less and less audible as feeling deepens into this silent harmony. - Bairava Tantra It was the Mahasiddhas who instituted the practices that birthed the Inner Tantras of Dzogchen practiced by the Nyingma school of Tibetan Buddhism. The other schools of Tibetan Buddhism and other Vajrayana Buddhists such as Shingon Buddhism practice Mahamudra meditation, also a practice initiated by the original Buddhist Mahasiddha. Mahasiddha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahasiddha According to Lama Govinda: While we are able to come to an understanding of relativity by way of reasoning, the experience of universality and completeness can be attained only when all conceptual thought, all word-thinking, has come to rest. The realization of the transcendent can come about only in the experience of meditative practice, through a transformation of our consciousness. Work cited: 'Creative Meditation and Multi-dimensional Conciousness' by Lama Anagarika Govinda Theosophical Publishing House, 1976 Author of 'Foundations of Tibetan Mysticism', 'Way of the White Clouds', etc. Read more: Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.meditation, alt.yoga From: Willytex Date: Sun, Nov 23 2003 10:43 am Subject: Secrets of the Vajra World http://tinyurl.com/dxfhwp
[FairfieldLife] Bio on Sister Pierina
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amazon Kindle
On Mar 23, 2009, at 1:33 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Anyone you know here who might be willing to show theirs, Rick? Can I merely hope that you are still talking about the Amazon thingy? If you're talking about other kinds of thingys, watch out. Edg will decide that you're a predator and hold a grudge against you until Doomsday. :-) It gets even worse if he's decided that you're a predator and then it turns out that you've done things and had experiences he hasn't. When that happens the jealousy *really* hits the fan and the grudge is more likely to last into the next cycle of Yugas. LOL...well, if I'm a pred I'm in good company! Sal
[FairfieldLife] teaching children (McCartney/Lynch Benefit concert)
When I learned TM as a young student , teh presentation was that it was not a religion and that we are not involved in the puga or teaching, My thought was no devotion? Why so curel? The only answer was that I was Guru Dev, Thats how I perceived the puja, Is thier any other way under the circumstances? The question is can those teaching be prepared for more Guru Devs? Being said, it must also be added that we do not charge for teaching meditation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dog-Lover Mahasiddha
--Nityananda says that to be granted access to Siddhaloka, one must have dissolved mortal awareness into the OM. Nityananda: http://www.cosmicharmony.com/Av/Nityanan/Nityanan.htm - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: A boy loves his dog... Leave it to Vaj and Turq to completely miss the real meaning of the myth, namely, that the Kukkuripa went into the cave to meditate - that's the point. It really isn't just a story about a boy and his dog. And of course the 'Paradise of the Dakinis' isn't heaven - there are no enlightened sages in Brahma's 'Heaven of the thirty-three'. Siddhas do not aspire to get into heaven - siddhas are immortal and aspire to go to Siddhaloka, the 'other shore' of the Transcendent. What's overlooked by the Vaj and the Turq is that the Mahasiddhas all practiced a meditation that is transcendental, just like we TMers practice. These two don't want to admit this, but all the tantriks sidhas were transcendentalists. 19. Intone a sound audibly, then less and less audible as feeling deepens into this silent harmony. - Bairava Tantra It was the Mahasiddhas who instituted the practices that birthed the Inner Tantras of Dzogchen practiced by the Nyingma school of Tibetan Buddhism. The other schools of Tibetan Buddhism and other Vajrayana Buddhists such as Shingon Buddhism practice Mahamudra meditation, also a practice initiated by the original Buddhist Mahasiddha. Mahasiddha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahasiddha According to Lama Govinda: While we are able to come to an understanding of relativity by way of reasoning, the experience of universality and completeness can be attained only when all conceptual thought, all word-thinking, has come to rest. The realization of the transcendent can come about only in the experience of meditative practice, through a transformation of our consciousness. Work cited: 'Creative Meditation and Multi-dimensional Conciousness' by Lama Anagarika Govinda Theosophical Publishing House, 1976 Author of 'Foundations of Tibetan Mysticism', 'Way of the White Clouds', etc. Read more: Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.meditation, alt.yoga From: Willytex Date: Sun, Nov 23 2003 10:43 am Subject: Secrets of the Vajra World http://tinyurl.com/dxfhwp
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dogs, Death, and Emotions. Was: Non-Duality Cartoons
On Mar 23, 2009, at 12:41 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I'd be glad to contribute to nabs if he would just get lost. Seriously, I would. Don't you think he's already somewhat lost? Yeah, but not lost enough. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Veil Network Nebula
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: Interesting that this question keeps coming up. The really interesting question would be if you dared jump into a very, very deep and dark hole and let someone fill it up with filth and dirth. Mr Nablusoss once again blesses us all with another inspirational example of the divine love, wisdom and peace in his heart he has found with TM.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dogs, Death, and Emotions. Was: Non-Duality Cartoons
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:41 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dogs, Death, and Emotions. Was: Non-Duality Cartoons --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: On Mar 22, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Nabs, you actually feel the draining effect of a dog or a cat if they touch you? Shame on you! Your samadhi is is not strong. You need to get checked! Don't you think he's already somewhat lost? Hopefully I'm forever lost to everything that even vaguely resembles the intense ignorance you represent. That I still bother to throw in a post here occasionally tells me I still have a way to go. We are all blessed by your magnanimous condescension. Truly, without you, FFL would be a much duller place.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Wave Posting
On Mar 23, 2009, at 3:11 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I watched some old New Wave films last year, doing a kind of Castanedan recapitualation on them myself, because they were *my* personal sources of awakening to the cinema. Truffaut, Godard, Eric Rohmer, Claude Chabrol, etc. They formed my first impressions of What cinema could be. Interestingly, this particular recapitulation had the same effect as a similar one in which I went back and re-listened to some of the formative music of my youth, which in my case was the acid rock of the late 60s hippie movement. The result? I found much of the music completely unlistenable. Many of the bands -- that I loved at the time -- were amateurish and could hardly play their instru- ments. The only explanations for me having liked it so much at the time were 1) the exuberance of being caught up in what we perceived at the time as a paradigm shift, a movement moving from the Old to the New, and 2) we were stoned. The Doors and Country Joe and Big Brother were laughable in retro- spect. Only a few of the musicians -- like Jimi -- really stood out for me as greats in retrospect. They were the only ones to have passed the test of time. Interesting...for me it's just the opposite. While some groups of course have fallen by the wayside, they were mostly bubblegum rock whose albums, except for a couple of exceptions, I never bought anyway. The ones who really moved me and made a difference in the way I saw things-- Bob, Leonard, Janis, Judy, Joni, Laura, Carole and several others-- I still get as much enjoyment out of today as I did then. Moreso, in fact, since I have more leisure time and a better understanding of what they were trying to say. Along with discovering albums I didn't have the $$ for back then. Never got into either acid rock or Hendrix. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: science can't fully describe reality
John wrote: Intuitively, I do appreciate the idea that a musician like Andrea Bocelli can be considered a scientist of the genius kind. The same could be said for Monet and other artists--writers included. Andrea Bocelli? Andrea Bocelli? Andrea Bocelli? I'm a minor opera fan -- mostly I listen to the great tenors and sopranos singing the most time-honored arias. Let me tell you that, even as a guy who knows almost nothing about music, I can say that Andrea is not an opera singer. He just doesn't have the range or control. That said, when he mentored kids on American Idol last year, he sang circles around all of them -- he is very serious and obviously appreciates music beyond my ken. But, to my ear, he's a whole notch less than most of the serious opera singers. Since he puts out CDs with operatic endeavors, I'm guessing that he's not selling to the opera cognoscenti, but instead is doing operatic popularization. That said, I very much agree with the info from Judy about the various ways to grok reality, and Andrea surely has some insights that could be translated by God into some very decent summations about reality. But, Andrea is no Einstein -- he's much more at the level of, say, grad student when it comes to grasping the eternal realities. Now, Mozart or Bach -- they could give Einstein a run for the money. And I own quite a few of Andrea's CDs so I'm not a lesser talent snob -- my being a fan of American Idol proves that -- heh heh. What I DO like about Andrea's singing is that he picks songs that fit his package, and the songs he sings that I cannot find other also singing, DO create a mirage of emotional depth that the notes themselves cannot convey if they are on paper and if another singer must interpret them they may not reach Andrea musical clarity. IOW, I like his stylings. Edg
[FairfieldLife] 7 Things You're Wasting Money On
7 Things You're Wasting Money On These days, keeping your budget in line isn't measured by the amount you spend, but by how much you save. Before you blame your daily jaunt to Starbucks or weekly trip to the movies for breaking your budget, take a good hard look at how much you're paying for less obvious but much more expensive money wasters like overdraft fees and auto insurance. Cut back on these seven items and you could save roughly $1,000 a year. 1) Bottled Water Getting your recommended eight glasses of water a day by bottle instead of tap is a huge waste of cash, says Phil Lempert, founder of Supermarket Guru. That buck-a-bottle water you down on a regular basis can really add up.. (Even more so now that cities like Chicago collect an additional tax of five cents per bottle.) Potential Savings: Spend $37 to buy a 40-ounce Brita pitcher and filter ($13 at Bed, Bath and Beyond), plus a four-pack of replacement filters ($24), and you'll be able to filter 200 gallons of water. Buy that much water in 24-packs of 16.9-ounce Aquafina bottles at Shop Rite instead, and you'd spend $283.50. Your total savings: $246.50. 2) Extended Warranties Think twice before you shell out $10 a month for a two-year protection plan on your pricey new BlackBerry. New products tend to malfunction within the manufacturer' s initial warranty period, or well after any extended warranty has expired, says Michael Gartenberg, vice president of strategy and analysis for Interpret LLC, a market researcher. (Most extended warranties exclude accidental damage, too, so you'd still be out of luck if you drop that Blackberry and crack the screen.) To protect yourself, pay with the right credit card. Many credit cards -- including most American Express and MasterCard cards -- double the manufacturer' s warranty on purchases, adding up to another year of free protection. Potential Savings: Someone buying a 40-inch Samsung flat panel high-def television at Best Buy for $800 has the option to add a four-year protection plan for another $150. Skip it, and pocket the cash instead. (The set already has a one-year manufacturer' s warranty.) 3) Gym Memberships The cost of a gym membership can really rack up over the course of a year (an average of $775, according to the International Health, Racquet Sportsclub Association) . So make sure you're tapping into all of the discounts available to you. Check with your employer, health insurer and other membership groups like your union or alma mater to see if they offer discounts on gym and fitness club memberships, says Bob Nelson, president of Nelson Motivation, a benefits consulting firm. Potential Savings: On your own, you'd pay $54.99 per month, plus a $49 enrollment fee, for a national access plan at Bally's Total Fitness. Through discounter GlobalFit.com, which offers special rates for members of partner companies, you'd pay $37.80 per month plus a $29 enrollment fee for the same Bally's membership. Over a yearlong membership, that's $226.28 saved. 4) Overdraft Fees Overdraft fees can run as high as $35 apiece and banks have a host of sneaky tricks that can cause even the most diligent consumer to overdraw on an account. For example, they may approve debit purchases that would put you in the red, or re-order transactions so that the biggest purchases go through first -- and deposits get processed last. To protect yourself, sign up for overdraft protection, which can cost as little as $5 to $10 a year (and is often free with high-level checking accounts), and can save you hundreds of dollars. Potential Savings: Pay $5 annually for a connected line of credit at Citibank. It kicks in only when you overspend, helping you to avoid the $30 fee per overdraft. Mess up just four times within a year and you've saved $115. 5) Organic Produce Sure, buying organic makes you feel like you're doing the right thing, but it isn't always the best choice for your wallet. Fruits and vegetables like kiwis, sweet corn and broccoli require very little pesticide to grow. Others -- like avocados, onions and pineapples -- have thick or peelable skins that reduce your exposure to harmful chemicals. Any pesticide that remains is not getting through, says Lempert. For a handy reminder as you shop, download the Environmental Working Group's wallet-sized organic produce guide. Potential Savings: Organic broccoli costs $2.99 per pound at online grocer FreshDirect, which also offers conventional broccoli for $1.49. A pound of navel oranges is $4 for the organic and $2 for conventional. Someone buying a pound of each item weekly could save $182 over the course of a year. 6) Auto Insurance [Auto insurers] often give discounts for consumers who don't drive long distances, says Sam Belden, a spokesman for Insurance.com. If your driving habits have changed in recent months -- say, you've
[FairfieldLife] An Unexpected Movie Pleasure
In the early days of my movie-going, sometimes I'd just pick a movie at random in one of those multiplex theaters and see it. The game would be about knowing NOTHING about it, just picking the name off the marquee and buying a ticket. Some- times you win doing this, sometimes you lose. I wound up seeing The Terminator that way, on its opening night; that was a win. Now that I live in a town that doesn't show any English-language movies, the game is harder to play. So what I do every so often is pick a title from the list of torrents available to me *without* looking it up on the IMDB, and I just download it cold, not having any idea who is in it or whether it's any good or *anything* about it. Again, sometimes you win doing this, sometimes you lose. Tonight I won. I saw a weird film name in the list of movies and said, That's probably a really rotten film, but what the heck...it's not costing me anythihg, right? Why not download it and give it a try? So I did, and it sat around on my hard disk for awhile before I got around to watching it. And then I put it on tonight, and it grabs me in the opening scene, and I perk up a little. I watch the scene play itself out, and then the credits come on. The actors include Mickey Rourke, Diane Lane, Hal Holbrook, Joseph Gordon-Levitt (tremendous in The Lookout), and Rosario Dawson. I think to myself, Self, you may just have won this time. And then I notice that it's the movie version of an Elmore Leonard novel. I put the sucker on Pause, get up and fix myself some snacks and pour myself a glass of good wine, and settle in. I won. The film is called Killshot, and it's pretty good. Not for filmgoers who don't like violence and movies about Native American hitmen named Blackbird and their psychopathic partners/dead-little-brother- substitutes, but for me, and for tonight, it was just right. Citizen Kane, it's not. But it was just right after a long workday, a clean, taut thriller. A married couple trying to have a nice, civil divorce witnesses an incident and gets sent into the witness protection program. Unfortunately, the incident they witnessed involved Blackbird, and Blackbird doth not suffer a witness to live. Drama ensues, Elmore Leonard style. Besides, it's got Diane Lane in it, and I would drink Diane Lane's bathwater. Citizen Kane, it's not. Heck, Cape Fear it's not, either version. But it was a cool way to pass a couple of hours until the club where I'm meeting the Irish woman I met on the beach today opens. I talked to her because she looked -- coincidentally enough -- like Diane Lane. Who knows...that may turn out to be a win, too. Every so often you've just got to take a chance on a complete unknown.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Wave Posting
grate.swan wrote: The 60's music is a good example. I still like some, but as you say, a lot is near to unlistenable. But some has that awesome energy. Right, but you're probably thinking of West Coast music of the sixties - don't forget that there is a whole lot other than that going on in the mid-late sixties back east: MC5, Iggy Pop, Dee Dee and Joey Ramone, Nico, Patti Smith, Velvet Underground, and lots of other punk muscians - an explosive era. These eastern punk guys make the SF bands look like pikers and sissies - nobody could stomach the likes of Blue Cheer! It's difficult to think of a band or a song I'd even put on the turntable these days that was popular in L.A. or S.F. from the sixties, with the exception of a few tunes from Steppenwolf. From its origins in the twilight years of Andy Warhol's New York reign to its last gasps as eighties corporate rock, the phenomenon that was known as punk is scrutinized, eulogized, and idealized by the people who were there and who made it happen. Read more: 'Please Kill Me' The Uncensored Oral History of Punk by Legs McNeil and Gillian McCain http://tinyurl.com/d6cdz8 All of the sudden bands like The Dictators, The Ramones, Television, and The Dead Boys start to appear in New York brining punk to it's climax in clubs like Max's Kansas City and the legendary CBGB's. - Morton
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Update on Je-Ru Hall
On Mar 23, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Vaj wrote: Don't sidhas ever get tired being scammed?? Not if it's for World Piece. You meant Whirled Peas, right? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone know the address for The Fairfield (Craig's type) List site?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blissbuni blissbuni blissb...@... wrote: Anyone know the address for The Fairfield (Craig's type) List site? I didn't know there is one. I have seen FF people selling stuff on Iowa City craigslist: http://iowacity.craigslist.org/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Wave Posting
Richard J. Williams wrote: grate.swan wrote: The 60's music is a good example. I still like some, but as you say, a lot is near to unlistenable. But some has that awesome energy. Right, but you're probably thinking of West Coast music of the sixties - don't forget that there is a whole lot other than that going on in the mid-late sixties back east: MC5, Iggy Pop, Dee Dee and Joey Ramone, Nico, Patti Smith, Velvet Underground, and lots of other punk muscians - an explosive era. These eastern punk guys make the SF bands look like pikers and sissies - nobody could stomach the likes of Blue Cheer! It's difficult to think of a band or a song I'd even put on the turntable these days that was popular in L.A. or S.F. from the sixties, with the exception of a few tunes from Steppenwolf. From its origins in the twilight years of Andy Warhol's New York reign to its last gasps as eighties corporate rock, the phenomenon that was known as punk is scrutinized, eulogized, and idealized by the people who were there and who made it happen. Read more: 'Please Kill Me' The Uncensored Oral History of Punk by Legs McNeil and Gillian McCain http://tinyurl.com/d6cdz8 All of the sudden bands like The Dictators, The Ramones, Television, and The Dead Boys start to appear in New York brining punk to it's climax in clubs like Max's Kansas City and the legendary CBGB's. - Morton I tend to agree that the San Francisco sound was weak. That is probably because so many of the bands weren't actually from SF to begin with but came there for the summer of love. Think Texas based The Steve Miller Band which had some pretty good musicians in it (later I became friends with Curly Cooke who moved to Seattle). They were pretty strong. Son of Champlain who pretty much a bunch of Marin County guys were strong too. A lot of the big names out of the SF weren't the best bands. Good musicians locally could still make a living playing jazz at the time in SF. I did a stint in a trio with Larry Evans of the SF sixties band Nine Foot Hose. Larry's dad was a Nashville studio musician and Larry a killer player. Tower of Power were jazz musicians doing RB. Los Angeles was commercial music city. Too much contrived formula stuff. Except for labels like Electra many didn't get what was going on in the sixties. And some of the music of the early sixties was actually early Seattle music. Think the Ventures, the Fleetwoods and of course the Kingsmen (Louie Louie). Many of these groups actually hit it bigger on the East Coast after appearing on American Bandstand. The Seattle beat was the application of New York drummer Jim Chapin's book Co-ordinated Independence applied to rock drumming. Jim Chapin was Harry Chapin's dad BTW. That said, the New York scene was dominated by many sons and daughters of New York professional musicians. The Left Bank was lead by the son of Harry Loofskofsky (sp) whose was the chief string contractor of NY studio sessions. Carmine Coppola (The Rascals and Vanilla Fudge) the son of a NY symphonic musician as well as being the cousin (I believe) of Francis Ford Coppola. The Fudge was very heavy duty. Even the musician who backed the Fugs were heavy duty as I hung out with them after a concert one night. And of course every major city had its rock scene. There was a Chicago scene too. It was really a time of renaissance until the big record companies institutionalized it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] An Informed opinion on musicians of the 60's
Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] An Informed opinion on musicians of the 60's Some fought it and produced only bubble gum music including bubble gum psychedelic (think Strawberry Alarm Clock, a band of fine musicians depressed because they had to play to audiences of 13 year old kids because that's what their record company wanted). They wrote a song on Transcendental Meditation. I heard it on a car radio while hitchhiking out to California, before I had learned TM. I knew quite a few L.A. musicians that learned TM in 1967. It was quite the rage for a while. And high strung musicians (who are usually very well schooled) needed something better that drugs to calm down and keep the stage fright away. Guess why so many musicians wound up drug addicts? To calm down and focus. The teacher in my first band class I had in grade school took the class through a group meditation exercise to calm down. He had us visualize a handkerchief falling slowing through the air.
[FairfieldLife] Despondency
This is the first action I am engaging in today. My best and only friend moved away. Jobs suck. My wife is extremely busy. I suck. The sooner I die the happier I will be. You all enjoy your trite fun and games. Woohoo Judy and Barry - what a great time. Whatever.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: Interesting that this question keeps coming up. The really interesting question would be if you dared jump into a very, very deep and dark hole and let someone fill it up with filth and dirth. Mr Nablusoss once again blesses us all with another inspirational example of the divine love, wisdom and peace in his heart he has found with TM. Yes indeed, it's a great joy to present examples of divine love in the life of Sidhas who will be beackonlights of Wisdom for this new Age. Some very fortunate souls are working very hard on this subject and are close to completion. Now; divine love for representatives of destruction and darkness ala mr Knapp ? I'm sorry but it won't work. Hard knots of ignorance are being sidelined, put out of circulation for the time being. Some will come and some will go - Maharishi, Washington DC, USA, November 1983
[FairfieldLife] Re: Update on Je-Ru Hall
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:56 AM, boo_lives boo_li...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: Jivan Hall [mailto:jivanh...@] Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:27 AM To: jivanhall@ Subject: Update on Je-Ru Hall Latest Update: Je-Ru is still awaiting sentencing! After being postponed 3 times, it appears that Je-Ru's sentencing trial will finally take place tomorrow, Monday, March 23rd at 9am. His lawyer will argue for a minimum to zero sentence, and/or for an appeal, and for release on bail pending the appeal. I would not want to be awaiting sentencing during these times of popularism gone wide with Congress passing bills of attainder and the Administration asking for the power to nationalize any company that's misbehaving. Please reference how the Administration is asking for this??? It's nonsense. The Administration hasn't even nationalize banks that are broke and being subsidized by the gov't. I posted this yesterday with a URL to the video Oh hail our Savior Obama popular during the campaign. We had caught on by then already. Your article has nothing whatsoever to do with nationalization. You need to look the word up. Regulating compensation of banks in the TARP, meaning on life support from the govt, has nothing to do with nationalization or bad behavior, In nationalization, the govt would take over the company and the owners would no longer be there. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/22/us/politics/22regulate.html?_r=2hp=pagewanted=print http://tinyurl.com/ctnoa4 March 22, 2009 Administration Seeks Increase in Oversight of Executive Pay By STEPHEN LABATON WASHINGTON The Obama administration will call for increased oversight of executive pay at all banks, Wall Street firms and possibly other companies as part of a sweeping plan to overhaul financial regulation, government officials said. The outlines of the plan are expected to be unveiled this week in preparation for President Obama's first foreign summit meeting in early April. Increasing oversight of executive pay has been under consideration for some time, but the decision was made in recent days as public fury over bonuses has spilled into the regulatory effort. The officials said that the administration was still debating the details of its plan, including how broadly it should be applied and how far it could range beyond simple reporting requirements. Depending on the outcome of the discussions, the administration could seek to put the changes into effect through regulations rather than through legislation. One proposal could impose greater requirements on the boards of companies to tie executive compensation more closely to corporate performance and to take other steps to assure that outsize bonuses are not paid before meeting financial goals. The new rules will cover all financial institutions, including those not now covered by any pay rules because they are not receiving federal bailout money. Officials say the rules could also be applied more broadly to publicly traded companies, which already report about some executive pay practices to the Securities and Exchange Commission. Last month, as part of the stimulus package, Congress barred top executives at large banks getting rescue money from receiving bonuses exceeding one-third of their annual pay. Beyond the pay rules, officials said the regulatory plan is expected to call for a broad new role for the Federal Reserve to oversee large companies, including major hedge funds, whose problems could pose risks to the entire financial system. It will propose that many kinds of derivatives and other exotic financial instruments that contributed to the crisis be traded on exchanges or through clearinghouses so they are more transparent and can be more tightly regulated. And to protect consumers, it will call for federal standards for mortgage lenders beyond what the Federal Reserve adopted last year, as well as more aggressive enforcement of the mortgage rules. The plan is being put together in advance of the meeting of the Group of 20 industrialized and developing nations in London, which is expected to be dominated by the global financial crisis and discussions about better oversight of large financial companies whose problems could threaten to undermine international markets. An important part of the plan still under debate is how to regulate the shadow banking system that Wall Street firms use to package and trade mortgage-backed securities, the so-called toxic assets held by many banks and blamed for the credit crisis. Officials said the plan would also call for increasing the levels of capital that financial institutions need to hold to absorb
[FairfieldLife] Re: Despondency
Get back to your meditation program. You'll never know what surprises are kept for you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: This is the first action I am engaging in today. My best and only friend moved away. Jobs suck. My wife is extremely busy. I suck. The sooner I die the happier I will be. You all enjoy your trite fun and games. Woohoo Judy and Barry - what a great time. Whatever.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Update on Je-Ru Hall
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 3:46 PM, boo_lives boo_li...@yahoo.com wrote: Your article has nothing whatsoever to do with nationalization. You need to look the word up. Regulating compensation of banks in the TARP, meaning on life support from the govt, has nothing to do with nationalization or bad behavior, In nationalization, the govt would take over the company and the owners would no longer be there. Enabling the administration to come into a public company (not part of TARP) and start setting salaries, bonuses and contracts looks to me pretty damned close to nationalization. That the company would not be owned by the government is IMO a fine point.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: Interesting that this question keeps coming up. The really interesting question would be if you dared jump into a very, very deep and dark hole and let someone fill it up with filth and dirth. Mr Nablusoss once again blesses us all with another inspirational example of the divine love, wisdom and peace in his heart he has found with TM. Yes indeed, it's a great joy to present examples of divine love in the life of Sidhas who will be beackonlights of Wisdom for this new Age. Some very fortunate souls are working very hard on this subject and are close to completion. Now; divine love for representatives of destruction and darkness ala mr Knapp ? I'm sorry but it won't work. Hard knots of ignorance are being sidelined, put out of circulation for the time being. Some will come and some will go - Maharishi, Washington DC, USA, November 1983 ...and some imagine themselves 'there' and clearly are not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
I know of a school that has examined your criticisms in an open forum and rejected them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknap...@... wrote: Interesting that this question keeps coming up. Do you think only Christians have problems with TM in public schools? What about skeptic and atheist communities? Or, for that matter, other religious people? I am not a Christian in any sense of the word. I am most at home in the Buddhist and Hindu traditions. I WAS raised a Catholic. But I left the Church in my early teens, never to look back. I have great respect for Christian beliefs. They are just not my own. BTW, everyone is welcome to attend the Web Event -- no matter what they believe about TM: good, bad, or indifferent. J. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: Knapp, Knapp, Knapp Christian, Christian, Christian - Original Message - From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW You may be interested in attending. What should interest you would be finding a deep hole to jump into. If you won't find anyone who would like to fill the hole afterwards I'd be happy to help. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Despondency
stop...taking...drugs... they work on the principle of robbing Peter to pay Paul. the more you do them, the more depleted you become, necessitating a larger dose next time. after awhile you lose the ability to feel good without them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: This is the first action I am engaging in today. My best and only friend moved away. Jobs suck. My wife is extremely busy. I suck. The sooner I die the happier I will be. You all enjoy your trite fun and games. Woohoo Judy and Barry - what a great time. Whatever.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
Hi, Curtis, I've been accused of having a Christian agenda as long as I've been posting. It's as if TMers think that only conservative Christians have a problem with TM in the schools. I think this is a historical prejudice: Christians were the first people, way back in the 70s, to question the Maharishi's teaching and movement. As I've stated definitively many times, I am not a Christian. I have respect for Christian values and beliefs, but they are not my own. I was raised Catholic, but left the Christian Church, never to return, when I was 13 or 14 -- years before I'd even heard of TM. Personally, I'm most comfortable with the Buddhist and Hindu traditions. My house is festooned with statuettes of Ganesh, Shiva, Buddha. In the interest of full disclosure, I have one Mexican folk art representation of Mary because I feel a connection to the highly idiosyncratic expressions of spirituality in Mexican art. In my house, Buddha gets candles, Shiva gets incense, and Mary has to get by with a occasional appreciative glance. TM has always prided itself on being compatible with any religion and supporting any spiritual belief. It seems it should read, We support all spiritual traditions, but if you're a Christian, you must have a hidden, evil agenda. Anyway, thanks for the question, Curtis. It seems I have to renew my declaration of non-Christian-ness about every 6 months or so. The issue we are raising with the web event is that TM -- or any other religious organization -- has no business teaching in public schools. The only difference I can see between Christians trying to get religion in to public schools and TM is that the Christians are generally pretty upfront about their values, beliefs, and teachings. While TM keeps its agenda hidden. This is an issue that stirs devout Christians, Muslims, Jews, atheists, civil libertarians. J. I am not --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: Knapp, Knapp, Knapp Christian, Christian, Christian Hey John, Overlooking Nabbie's spiritual perspective on burying you alive for posting an alternative POV to the TM party line for a moment... is your opposition to TM based on Christian faith? I never got this angle from you before so I hoped you would address it. - Original Message - From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW You may be interested in attending. What should interest you would be finding a deep hole to jump into. If you won't find anyone who would like to fill the hole afterwards I'd be happy to help. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: Interesting that this question keeps coming up. The really interesting question would be if you dared jump into a very, very deep and dark hole and let someone fill it up with filth and dirth. Mr Nablusoss once again blesses us all with another inspirational example of the divine love, wisdom and peace in his heart he has found with TM. Yes indeed, it's a great joy to present examples of divine love in the life of Sidhas who will be beackonlights of Wisdom for this new Age. Some very fortunate souls are working very hard on this subject and are close to completion. Now; divine love for representatives of destruction and darkness ala mr Knapp ? I'm sorry but it won't work. Hard knots of ignorance are being sidelined, put out of circulation for the time being. Some will come and some will go - Maharishi, Washington DC, USA, November 1983 ...and some imagine themselves 'there' and clearly are not. Glad to observe that you recognize your limitations, do-rflex
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
You seem to be saying that if I don't agree with you, nablusoss, then I am an agent of evil and deserve violence and even death. Is it just me or does this seem extreme? Divine love for members of my group, death to the infidels! This is not a spiritual tradition that interests me. J. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: Interesting that this question keeps coming up. The really interesting question would be if you dared jump into a very, very deep and dark hole and let someone fill it up with filth and dirth. Mr Nablusoss once again blesses us all with another inspirational example of the divine love, wisdom and peace in his heart he has found with TM. Yes indeed, it's a great joy to present examples of divine love in the life of Sidhas who will be beackonlights of Wisdom for this new Age. Some very fortunate souls are working very hard on this subject and are close to completion. Now; divine love for representatives of destruction and darkness ala mr Knapp ? I'm sorry but it won't work. Hard knots of ignorance are being sidelined, put out of circulation for the time being. Some will come and some will go - Maharishi, Washington DC, USA, November 1983
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
I'm not sure, shukra, what they would have considered as we haven't had the event yet or spelled out our reasoning. But everybody has their own values. I'm not surprised that some school somewhere has different beliefs than I do. Some schools have decided to teach Creationism after all. On the other hand, I know of a court in New Jersey that ruled TM was religious and had no place in public schools. J. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: I know of a school that has examined your criticisms in an open forum and rejected them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: Interesting that this question keeps coming up. Do you think only Christians have problems with TM in public schools? What about skeptic and atheist communities? Or, for that matter, other religious people? I am not a Christian in any sense of the word. I am most at home in the Buddhist and Hindu traditions. I WAS raised a Catholic. But I left the Church in my early teens, never to look back. I have great respect for Christian beliefs. They are just not my own. BTW, everyone is welcome to attend the Web Event -- no matter what they believe about TM: good, bad, or indifferent. J. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: Knapp, Knapp, Knapp Christian, Christian, Christian - Original Message - From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW You may be interested in attending. What should interest you would be finding a deep hole to jump into. If you won't find anyone who would like to fill the hole afterwards I'd be happy to help. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Despondency
Stop...with...the...conventional...stupidadvice I shoudn't have written anything. Later - Original Message - From: enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Despondency stop...taking...drugs... they work on the principle of robbing Peter to pay Paul. the more you do them, the more depleted you become, necessitating a larger dose next time. after awhile you lose the ability to feel good without them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: This is the first action I am engaging in today. My best and only friend moved away. Jobs suck. My wife is extremely busy. I suck. The sooner I die the happier I will be. You all enjoy your trite fun and games. Woohoo Judy and Barry - what a great time. Whatever. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Despondency
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: This is the first action I am engaging in today. My best and only friend moved away. Jobs suck. My wife is extremely busy. I suck. The sooner I die the happier I will be. You all enjoy your trite fun and games. Woohoo Judy and Barry - what a great time. Whatever. Death will not make you happy. It will devastate your family, who will never recover. Death is the end. Get some help, you can turn around. And remember that it takes a few weeks for those anti-depressants to really be working in your system.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
You all are counting chickens before eggs. Go ahead and waste your minds. - Original Message - From: John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknap...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools Curtis, As always you make my arguments so much more eloquently than I. I agree my major concern is about the civil liberties aspect of teaching TM in public schools -- and the doors that may be opened by Quiet Time. Should Muslim kids be allowed to pray 5 times a day in public schools? Maybe. But I would have real troubles with Sufi meditation techniques being taught in public schools in their religious form. J. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Since the ruling on TM, back in the late '70's, I can see our school system has really improved in so many ways... I work in schools, in many ways they have improved. Especially with regard to less naivete about the agenda of groups like TM. Do you really think that practicing TM in schools would be a bad thing? No one is saying they can't practice it if their parents want them to. It is presenting it in schools that is the problem for me. I was introduced to TM in my high school. I wish the adults in my world had done a bit more due diligence in checking it out. They seemed to take every claim at face value and it influenced the credibility I gave it to see the adults nodding their heads. Do you think that ruling did anything to improve the quality of education or the quality of anything? I do. I am not against kids having a moment of silence but the indoctrination into the belief system of TM is too much to support for me. Skipping the puja would be a start in the right direction. But this line is very important to keep an eye on with millions of Christians trying to subvert science classes with creationism dressed up as intelligent design. Being very clear about where our beliefs come from is critical for our survival. Blurring this line is dangerous because it makes harder to rank the probability of beliefs if religious concepts are blended with more rigorously supported beliefs. And in today's multicultural school system, it is ridiculous to try to pawn off the Hindu based TM system as scientific. R.G. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: The upcoming McCartney/Lynch Concert to benefit the David Lynch Foundation will raise funds to teach Transcendental Meditation in the public schools. Many critics feel this is a clear Church/State violation because of the religious trappings of Transcendental Meditation. A group of critics -- including James Randi, Barry Markovsky, Meera Nanda, Andrew Skolnick, myself, and others -- have organized a free web event to discuss this controversy. You may be interested in attending. You can find the details at http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmconcert.html http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmconcert.html Since the ruling on TM, back in the late '70's, I can see our school system has really improved in so many ways... Do you really think that practicing TM in schools would be a bad thing? Do you think that ruling did anything to improve the quality of education or the quality of anything? R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
On Mar 23, 2009, at 7:30 PM, John M. Knapp, LMSW wrote: Curtis, As always you make my arguments so much more eloquently than I. I agree my major concern is about the civil liberties aspect of teaching TM in public schools -- and the doors that may be opened by Quiet Time. Should Muslim kids be allowed to pray 5 times a day in public schools? Maybe. But I would have real troubles with Sufi meditation techniques being taught in public schools in their religious form. J. If you missed them, Curtis recently shared some very interesting personal insights into the Christian mystics who (initially) bought into the Universality of TM lie. Later, as it became clear what they were not told, they did what their heart's conscience told them. They split, seeing the TM Universality lie, because they grokked the reality of the situation. Those same Christian mystics have gone on to found even more profoundly personal meditation forms. I do see some universal meditation forms (e.g. InnerKids) which can and are successfully being used, openly and--most of all--freely being shared with school kids, for their benefit and for the future of us all. But TM, with it's cold eye on the buck and a way into our school and healthcare systems needs to revealed for the greedheads they truly are, and the plainly Hindu meditation forms disguised as for everyone. Keep up the Great Work man!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Despondency
On Mar 23, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Kirk wrote: This is the first action I am engaging in today. My best and only friend moved away. Jobs suck. My wife is extremely busy. I suck. The sooner I die the happier I will be. You all enjoy your trite fun and games. Woohoo Judy and Barry - what a great time. Whatever. Private chef? Any thoughts on the idea of private cheffing--at different houses, once a weekcustom gourmet menus, for upscale clients? Work your magicdifferent places to work, different scenery, a different mandala of people? You're always the boss, but instead of a overbearing bastard, the clients get to see your enlightened nature... It's the in thing. Show up, work your magic with a weeks worth of meals. On to the next person. Never boring, always original. Gawd, you'd be great at it! A traveling artist with his culinary, uh... palate. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
Curtis, As always you make my arguments so much more eloquently than I. I agree my major concern is about the civil liberties aspect of teaching TM in public schools -- and the doors that may be opened by Quiet Time. Should Muslim kids be allowed to pray 5 times a day in public schools? Maybe. But I would have real troubles with Sufi meditation techniques being taught in public schools in their religious form. J. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Since the ruling on TM, back in the late '70's, I can see our school system has really improved in so many ways... I work in schools, in many ways they have improved. Especially with regard to less naivete about the agenda of groups like TM. Do you really think that practicing TM in schools would be a bad thing? No one is saying they can't practice it if their parents want them to. It is presenting it in schools that is the problem for me. I was introduced to TM in my high school. I wish the adults in my world had done a bit more due diligence in checking it out. They seemed to take every claim at face value and it influenced the credibility I gave it to see the adults nodding their heads. Do you think that ruling did anything to improve the quality of education or the quality of anything? I do. I am not against kids having a moment of silence but the indoctrination into the belief system of TM is too much to support for me. Skipping the puja would be a start in the right direction. But this line is very important to keep an eye on with millions of Christians trying to subvert science classes with creationism dressed up as intelligent design. Being very clear about where our beliefs come from is critical for our survival. Blurring this line is dangerous because it makes harder to rank the probability of beliefs if religious concepts are blended with more rigorously supported beliefs. And in today's multicultural school system, it is ridiculous to try to pawn off the Hindu based TM system as scientific. R.G. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: The upcoming McCartney/Lynch Concert to benefit the David Lynch Foundation will raise funds to teach Transcendental Meditation in the public schools. Many critics feel this is a clear Church/State violation because of the religious trappings of Transcendental Meditation. A group of critics -- including James Randi, Barry Markovsky, Meera Nanda, Andrew Skolnick, myself, and others -- have organized a free web event to discuss this controversy. You may be interested in attending. You can find the details at http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmconcert.html http://knappfamilycounseling.com/tmconcert.html Since the ruling on TM, back in the late '70's, I can see our school system has really improved in so many ways... Do you really think that practicing TM in schools would be a bad thing? Do you think that ruling did anything to improve the quality of education or the quality of anything? R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: I do. I am not against kids having a moment of silence but the indoctrination into the belief system of TM is too much to support for me. Skipping the puja would be a start in the right direction. But this line is very important to keep an eye on with millions of Christians trying to subvert science classes with creationism dressed up as intelligent design. Being very clear about where our beliefs come from is critical for our survival. Blurring this line is dangerous because it makes harder to rank the probability of beliefs if religious concepts are blended with more rigorously supported beliefs. And in today's multicultural school system, it is ridiculous to try to pawn off the Hindu based TM system as scientific. Well said, Curtis. Can I steal your words? You articulate well why I think that you can't separate simple TM the technique from where it came from and the goals of MMY and the TMO.
