[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: I'm very attuned to robins now. I watch and listen for them every spring and when I hear, Cheerily, cheeriup, cheerio, cheeriup, I think of Ruby. ** Da boids of Belize: http://snipurl.com/fq90o [www_nytimes_com]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiculturalism Channel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 12:33 PM, grate.swan no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I love Arabic names, sans the required Mohammad for Muslim guys. The parents and relatives get together and decide which quality best suits the child, as the brilliant one, the happy one, the good looking one. But I guess it falls in with the Islamic way of naming Allah, 99 names plus one secret name known only to some very high imams. Each of the 99 names of Allah describe one quality of Allah. Cool. And Arabic is so poetic. There are a hundred ways to say good afternoon at least: afternoon like the fragrance of flowers, afternoon of sweetness, afternoon like honey and so on. Because Western societies have been demonizing Arabic societies ever since they...uh...lost the Crusades, it is natural that many from European cultures or descended from them do not understand the contributions these cultures made to their own cultures and their own lives. I grew up for a couple of years in Morocco and, like you, developed an appreciation for the love of words that underlies the Arabic languages. I live today in a country whose architecture and mores display a great deal of influence from the Muslim world. But it's deeper than that. I once did a thesis on the Troubadours, and the sudden (historically) appearance in European society of something we take for granted, and think has not only always been around, but that we invented it -- the idea of romantic love. It is very likely that this idea -- which was completely *missing* from European society prior to the Middle Ages -- came from North Africa and the Muslim world. The Troubadours basically *reinvented* storytelling, adding the element of bhakti-like romantic love. It overtook Europe as a fad the way that Beatle- mania overtook America. Within a few short decades, every court was full of poets and minstrels singing songs about the merits of romantic love and espec- ially idealized or courtly love, amor cortois. Before that, marriage and relationships between couples had been seen as primarily an economic thing, and there were very few examples of love stories that were actually based on love within the larger European literature. Well, as it turns out, the Troubadours may have gotten most of these ideas by traveling in North Africa and paying attention to the literature and poetry popular in those areas. They, many of them secretly heretics gone underground as Troubadours and poets to escape persecution, listened to the themes and the meter of Arabic poetry, incorporated it into their own Languedocean poetry and songs, and brought it back to Europe. Thus isn't it ironic that the same culture (ours) that basically worships love stories now also tends to demonize the culture that gave those stories to them? Isn't it fascinating that our News media refer to these Arabic cultures as barbaric just before they cut to the latest soap opera or romantic movie on Fox TV?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does this orange kitty remind anyone of anybody here?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Apr 11, 2009, at 1:20 PM, do.rflex wrote: Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbEXr9-5UjI From my pet reading siddhi I get the following: The transcendental lord has come. His star is in the ascendant and is newly appeared! He will appear any day now, lest the evil Barr-ee causes the age of darkness to continue in the land of Jersey. Be prepared now. Listen! I am talking! You'd better be listening! The evil Barr-ee has come to block the rajas, the transcendence in schools and the caste system of evolutionary natural law! Go, be with the two times twenty, the perfected flyers and abhor all those who block ye way! Or something like that. Listen to it again and block out the background traffic noise. It sounds like the black cat is is softly singing a hilarious parody of Sexy Sadie. It's a cult thang. The black cat is obviously a follower of the evil Barr-ee and is quietly chanting demonic Buddhist to protect itself from the feline blowhard. Either that or the black cat is so quietly amused by the posturing silliness of the old, senile cat that it is busting a gut trying not to break into laughter. Whatever. Unlike Vaj, I never got the pet reading siddhi and don't know exactly what the black cat is thinking. The important thing is, however, that no matter how the old, senile cats howls and hisses, the black cat ain't going nowhere.
[FairfieldLife] Crows
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: Crow bad Karma? Crow's Nerve Fails (Ted Hughes ) Crow, feeling his brain slip, Finds his every feather the fossil of a murder. Who murdered all these? These living dead, that root in his nerves and his blood Till he is visibly black? How can he fly from his feathers? And why have they homed on him? Is he the archive of their accusations? Or their ghostly purpose, their pining vengeance? Or their unforgiven prisoner? He cannot be forgiven. His prison is the earth. Clothed in his conviction, Trying to remember his crimes Heavily he flies. Beautiful. One of the things that hasn't been mentioned in all of this bird talk lately is the experi- ment written up in the August 2002 issue of 'Science' about how crows are so smart that they can *make and use tools.* In the experiment, a morsel of food was placed in a glass tube too deep for the crow to reach in and get the food with its beak. In the experiment, the researchers first left a piece of wire with the end of it bent into a hook in the same cage, and within a very short time the crow figured out how to use it to reach in and get the food. In the next step of the experiment, they put a *straight* piece of wire there, and the same crow figured out how to bend the end of it into a hook and get the food. And in the final stage, they placed a male crow in the same cage with the female crow who had learned how to do this, and the female crow *taught the male crow how to do it*. Here is a short video of the crow using the wire to get the food: http://www.sciencemag.org/feature/data/crow/weirmovie.mov I also saw a fascinating documentary once on animals and how they -- like humans -- like to change their state of consciousness via plants or alcohol or drugs. In that documentary, there were numerous examples of animals self medi- cating by eating some substance that either prevented or cured a disease it was suffering from, or enabled it to get high, or both. But the most fascinating one, from my POV, was again about crows. It took place on a construc- tion site where workers were ripping off an old set of wooden shingles from a roof to replace them with new ones. Unfortunately, as the nar- rator explained, what happens in such cases is that generations of tiny mites that have made the old shingles their homes are released into the air, and negatively affect the birds in the area. Left untreated, these mites get into their feathers and burrow into the birds' bodies and kill them. So in the documentary, we see a cigarette left burning in an ashtray at the construction site by one of the workers. A crow flies down and opens its wings and fumigates itself in the tobacco smoke for several minutes. Nicotine kills the mites and saves the crow's life. But how did the crow know that?
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's definition of suSumna?
http://tinyurl.com/cjaxgc
At about 02:42 Maharishi mentions suSumna...
sumna mfn. (prob. fr. 5. %{su} and %{mnA} = %{man}) benevolent , kind ,
gracious , favourable RV. x , 5 , 3 ; 7 ; (%{am}) n. benevolence , favour ,
grace RV. TS. ; devotion , prayer , hymn (cf. Gk. $) RV. ; 371866[1231 ,3]
satisfaction , peace , joy , happiness ib. ; N. of various Sa1mans A1rshBr.
suSumna mf(%{A})n. *very* [emph. add. - card] gracious or kind RV. VS.
; m. N. of one of the 7 principal rays of the sun (supposed to supply heat to
the moon) VP. ; (%{A}) f. a partic. artery (prob. ` the carotid ') or vein of
the body (lying between those called %{iDA} and %{piGgalA} , and supposed to be
one of the passages for the breath or spirit ; cf. %{brahma-randhra}) Up. BhP.
Ra1jat. - 1.
[FairfieldLife] 'Dear Cyn, won't you come out to Play?'
From Cynthia Lennon's biography... The Beatles publicly renounced drugs (although never completely) after their initial meetings with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in London, and took a train to Bangor, in Wales, to meet him again in the summer of 1967. A policeman stopped Cynthia from boarding the train as it was pulling out (not knowing who she was) with Lennon calling out of a window after her, Tell them to let you on!.[72] She broke down in tears, and later said that it symbolised where she felt their marriage was heading, with Lennon speeding into the future and herself being left behind.[73] Epstein had previously agreed to travel to Bangor to join them after the August Bank Holiday, but died of a drug overdose on 27 August 1967, which was a massive shock to both her and Lennon.[74][75] India The Beatles were scheduled to fly to India to visit the Maharishi for two or three months, but before that she found letters from Yoko Ono that made it clear that Lennon had had contact with her over a period of time. She had previously met Ono when Ono asked for a lift in Lennon's car after a meeting with the Maharishi in a London suburb.[76] Lennon denied that he was involved with Ono, and said that she was just some crazy artist who wanted to be sponsored, although Ono kept up a stream of calls and visits to Kenwood.[77] In February 1968, she flew to India with Lennon and the other Beatles and their partners.[78] She had taken pens and paper with her, so was able to draw, meditate with Lennon every day, and for the first time in her life she started to write poetry.[79] Magic Alex (Greek-born Alex Mardas who was part of Apple Electronics) was also with them, and smuggled in alcohol from the nearest village as it was not allowed in the ashram. After two weeks Lennon wanted to sleep in a separate room from her, saying that he could only meditate when he was alone.[80] She found out much later that Lennon walked down to the local post office every morning to see if he had received a telegram from Ono, who sent one almost daily.[79] Divorce Cynthia and Julian at Kenwood in 1968, after Lennon had left. She had suspicions of Lennon's infidelity over the years, and people had told her that he had had numerous affairs as far back as their time together at the art college in Liverpool, but she decided to ignore it, unless there was definite proof.[81] After returning to Kenwood from India, Lennon got very drunk on scotch and coke and confessed that there had been other women during his time with her. He detailed every groupie, friends of hers (such as Joan Baez, and Maureen Cleave) and told her about thousands of women around the globe.[82] She was totally taken aback at the time and simply replied, That's OK.[83] Two weeks later, in May 1968, Lennon suggested that she take a holiday in Greece with Mardas, Donovan and two friends. Lennon said that he would be very busy recording The White Album and that it would do her some good to take a break.[83] The beginning of the end for the Lennon's marriage came when she arrived back at Kenwood one day early from Greece on 22 May 1968, to discover Lennon and Ono sitting cross-legged on the floor, staring into each others eyes, and then found Ono's slippers outside their bedroom door.[84] She gathered a few things and asked Jenny Boyd and Mardas if she could spend the night at their apartment. At the apartment Boyd went straight to bed, but Mardas got Cynthia drunk and tried to convince her that they should both run away together. After she had been sick in the bathroom she collapsed on a bed in the spare bedroom, but Mardas joined her and tried to kiss her until she pushed him away.[85] Lennon seemed absolutely normal when she returned to Kenwood the next day, and maintained his love for her and Julian.[86] Lennon went to New York with McCartney shortly after and told her she could not go with them, so she went on a trip to Italy with her mother.[87] Mardas appeared during the holiday in Italy and broke the news that Lennon was planning to sue her for divorce on grounds of adultery, seek sole custody of Julian, and send Cynthia back to Hoylake.[88] She said in 2005: The mere fact that ‘Magic Alex’ [Mardas] arrived in Italy in the middle of the night without any prior knowledge of where I was staying made me extremely suspicious. I was being coerced into making it easy for Lennon and Yoko to accuse me of doing something that would make them not look so bad.[89] She was allowed to return to Kenwood, while Lennon and Ono took up residence at Starr's flat at 34 Montagu Square. Lennon and his wife had one last short meeting at Kenwood (with Ono alongside Lennon) but Lennon accused her of an affair in India—saying that she was no innocent little flower.[90] McCartney visited Cynthia and Julian that year, even though it was frowned upon by Lennon.[91] On the way to Kenwood he composed a song in his head that would later
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's definition of suSumna?
Yes, MMY used the term in context with TM at a TM event, and mentions that it
(sushumna) is the path of kundalini and that the chakras are milestones on the
path of kundalini.
When the breath is flowing equally in and out of both nostrils it is called
sushumna, according to MMY, and he suggests this is what happens when you
practice TM. Obviously when one 'transcends' one must awaken the kundalini and
the pran goes up the sushumna taking the consciousness with it to higher
states, according to MMY,(paraphrased).
In order to transcend to pure consciousness you must awaken the kundalini, if
you haven't you haven't fully transcended, even once!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/cjaxgc
At about 02:42 Maharishi mentions suSumna...
sumna mfn. (prob. fr. 5. %{su} and %{mnA} = %{man}) benevolent , kind
, gracious , favourable RV. x , 5 , 3 ; 7 ; (%{am}) n. benevolence , favour ,
grace RV. TS. ; devotion , prayer , hymn (cf. Gk. $) RV. ; 371866[1231 ,3]
satisfaction , peace , joy , happiness ib. ; N. of various Sa1mans A1rshBr.
suSumna mf(%{A})n. *very* [emph. add. - card] gracious or kind RV. VS.
; m. N. of one of the 7 principal rays of the sun (supposed to supply heat to
the moon) VP. ; (%{A}) f. a partic. artery (prob. ` the carotid ') or vein
of the body (lying between those called %{iDA} and %{piGgalA} , and supposed
to be one of the passages for the breath or spirit ; cf. %{brahma-randhra})
Up. BhP. Ra1jat. - 1.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip By *refusing* to take it, and answer every question, you certify your status as a complete wuss and as a despicable coward. That means you, Judy. BWAHAHAHAHA!! Yeah, whoo-hoo, I'm like, man, shivering in my shoes in fear of being certified a coward by Barry. Good *grief*, talk about yer exaggerated sense of self-importance. For the record, as a matter of principle, I don't respond to questions or make statements under threat of being certified as a Bad Person if I decline. Ooh how convenient. And how cowardly. Go on, have a go at answering. I thought they were superb and just the sort of thing that is going to concern people, especially students who are generally up for changing the world. I once read a briefing document that was sent out to TM teachers on how to deal with hard questions at intro lectures by fundamentalist christians. The anticipated questions were nowhere near as difficult as Barry's test. But it's the sort of thing they will be faced with. Which is undoubtably why they've de-weirded the main TM website. Having posted these questions, I have been quietly sitting back and allowing those who still have a pair of balls on them (and I think we all know who that does *not* include) to have a go at answering them. And the pat answers provided *would*, in fact, qualify those who provided them for Almost TM Teacher status. They were right out of the TMO playbook. But I'm more interested in what I perceive as the INTENT behind these pat answers, and who such answers seem intended to BENEFIT. It IS possible to make the case that those who have provided the dismissive TMO pat answers to these questions IN ONE SENSE had the welfare of the potential student to whom those answers were theoretically aimed in mind. That 'sense' is very limited, and IMO very questionable. It is IMO based on the prime directive of the TMO -- TM is 100% life- supporting. For someone who has bought into this prime directive, and has believed it for decades, these pat answers fall into the category of the end justifies the means. The end is TO GET THE PERSON TO LEARN TM. Period. In their belief system, *all else* is secondary. They believe that that is the highest goal, the thing that would be best for this theoretical young girl. They believe that if she can just be talked into learning TM, everything will be OK. In their view, *nothing bad can happen to her* if she just jumps on board the bandwagon of this 100% life-supporting technique. As a result, the people who believe this are willing to give partial and misleading answers, to obfuscate, to ignore the questions entirely, and to basically LIE to this theoretical young girl -- by commission or omission -- in an attempt to save her and bring her to the highest path of TM. They may try to portray their evasive answers as sweet truth but IMO they are sour lies. They DO NOT SERVE the potential student; they serve only the cult and the cultist and the preservation of their belief system. THAT is the very thing I was hoping to point out and bring to light by posting this test. It was a test to see who was willing to play the end justifies the means game (and to see who was *afraid* to play it because they knew what they would be really doing) and attempt to do with their answers the SAME thing that the TMO is trying to do by scrubbing its main website of any potentially controversial mater- ial that might cause someone to question the value of learning the TM technique as a result of seeing millionaires in drag as 'Rajas' or pundits in neat little rows chanting religious scriptures or discussions of the siddhis and other *real* beliefs of the TMO. And they do this IMO for the SAME reason. Anyone who actually *was* a TM teacher and sat in those talks by Maharishi *knows* how much of a the end justifies the means person he was. He could justify lying about ANYTHING, as long as doing so caused someone to buy into his belief system. Who do you think WROTE the lists of pat answers Hugo mentions above? Some consider this behavior acceptable, and the very definition of spiritual teaching. I do not. I consider it the antithesis of spiritual teaching. I am very much a proponent of answering good questions with good answers, *honest* answers, answers designed to address the question-asker's real concerns and doubts and give them the infor- mation they need to come to some conclusion OF THEIR OWN. The idea of teaching is NOT to lead the question- asker to MY conclusion. That's an ego game, and a religious fanatic's game. IMO, *my* answers are NOT the correct ones; they are merely *my* answers. The student has the right to come to his or her OWN answers, and as
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: The means are not justified by the ends. The means ARE the end. If you lie by commission or omission to theoretically achieve a good end, you are still performing the action of lying. And that action has a karma attached to it. I wonder what karma will be attached to a Turkey who pretends to be a Missionary and Crusader.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The means are not justified by the ends. The means ARE the end. If you lie by commission or omission to theoretically achieve a good end, you are still performing the action of lying. And that action has a karma attached to it. I wonder what karma will be attached to a Turkey who pretends to be a Missionary and Crusader. I'm fairly certain you'll find out. :-)
[FairfieldLife] How do we know we agree?
Grate.swan, Hmmm. Again, it comes down to the meaning of a single word. Always, it seems, when we really want to know something, there's not a dictionary that can satisfy. What does this word agree mean? Whenever I read scriptures or the writings of gurus, I cannot help but resonate frequently. So much is so clearly there behind the metaphors in almost any attempt to grok the basis of existence, that I find it difficult to believe that they are not, each and all, talking about the same thing/non-thing. If Christ gave His sermon on the mount in ancient Asia -- what Taoist's foot would not be set to tapping? When a Kabbalist speaks of Ein-sof, isn't the Dali Lama nodding like a bobble-head on the tuck and roll of a low-rider's '64 Chevy on a cobblestone road? I mean, ask any mathematician about zero. It's not like zero's trying to trick anyone into thinking it's a number like all the other numbers. There is not a secret sect of number jockeys eschewing the transcendental nature of zero and calling for it to be seen as having some sort of value. Or a stawberry for that matter. Where are the hoards describing it as very much like broccoli instead of much more like kiwi? To me, agreement is a ballpark entered. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: From this file: All mystics agree that Ultimate Reality-whether It is called Allah, Brahman, Buddha-nature, En-sof, God, or the Tao-cannot be grasped by thought or expressed in words. Is that true, ALL mystics? Was there a vote? a poll? Or is this simply someones fanciful thinking -- a convenient leap of faith that makes them feel all kumbaya inside. From what I understand, western christian, greek/russian orthodox, hebrew, sufi, kabballist, egytian, greek traditional, american indian mystics do not agree on this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife group. File: /Spiritual Books/21st Century Books-Non-Dual Sources.doc Uploaded by : rick_archer rick@ Description : Books on non-duality from FF's 21st Century Bookstore You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Spiritual%20Books/21st%20Century%20Books-Non-Dual%20Sources.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, rick_archer rick@
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: snip Chi Chi loves Tu Tu How utterly gorgeous. I've had parakeets (budgerigars). They're neat-looking, but nowhere near as spectacular as your guys. Parrot-type birds' social instincts are so cool. My budgies would sit on the earpiece of my glasses and preen my eyebrows. Amazing, isn't it? How delicately and precisely a bird uses its beak. When I'm in the mood for it, I let Chi Chi preen my eyebrows and sometimes my ears (it tickles a lot) but I think he uses ear preening as an excuse to suddenly undo an earring, even though he knows I'll object by shaking him off. Little stinker. Even I can't get an earring off as fast as he can. Amazing.
[FairfieldLife] 'What Ever happened to the Body of Jesus?'
The common dogma we all know about. But, what I am wondering, is if anyone has any information, On this subject, who has access to Akashic Records, of that era? Or if one has had visions or Ritam of the event. I am wondering if he could appear and dissappear, or something like that? Or, if he was just taken and buried by his family, And, the visions of the resurrection where more on a spiritual non-physical level... And that I had heard, that many people were 'seeing' their relatives, who had just passed, During the time, of the crucifixion of Jesus, King of the Jews; Wow, that hurt, beyond pain, with no morphine. The ghosts had been let out, and rumors built on rumores. There was no mass media, video, or any of the common records, which we take for granted, today. Sure we can walk on water, in the winter-time, in Iowa and Wisconsin...brrr! But, no actually levitation, which could be recorded and distributed world-wide, In a matter of nano-seconds. Strange Religion! R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: I'm very attuned to robins now. I watch and listen for them every spring and when I hear, Cheerily, cheeriup, cheerio, cheeriup, I think of Ruby. ** Da boids of Belize: http://snipurl.com/fq90o [www_nytimes_com] Thanks, Bob. Beautiful. Actually, robins have six songs: http://www.learner.org/jnorth/tm/robin/Vocalizations.html
[FairfieldLife] 'How do You rate/with your Mate?'
http://www.cafeastrology.com/compatibilityrating.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: You do have to do the work, it will
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: There is so much back and forth insulting on this forum (Jane, you ignorant slut) that I thought this might be useful so you don't have to go through the effort. A complaint letter generator: http://www.pakin.org/complaint GMail now has a autopilot feature that will answer your e-mail, per your own style -- and learns and improves over time. Perhaps all of us can have gmail auotpilot answer the complaint generator and then rerespond via autopilot. Just think, totally souless, reactive responses based on canned pejoratives and rhetoric. Oh wait, we already have that. Never mind. For example, Nabby could use this generated by the program: While no statement I'm about to make should be construed as suggesting or recommending that any person commit an illegal act of any kind, you should realize that ex-TMers's junta is a snake pit populated by disaffected clods, wretched paranoiacs, and lawless prima donnas. Or if someone wanted to rant about me: My real point here is that there is no place in this country where we are safe from her satraps, no place where we are not targeted for hatred and attack. Whether the downfall of our culture can be arrested by a violent rejection of Ruth's contentious metanarratives, I am unable to decide; that would require forces with whose existence I am unacquainted. Nevertheless, you may want to consider that like a verbal magician, Ruth knows how to lie without appearing to be lying, how to bury secrets in mountains of garbage-speak. Some people I know say that corporatism is the leitmotif of her warnings. Others argue that Ruth's words are part of a larger attack on the very notion of meritocracy and quality. At this point the distinction is largely academic given that if I wanted to brainwash and manipulate a large segment of the population, I would convince them that Ruth's merely trying to make this world a better place in which to live. In fact, that's exactly what Ruth does as part of her quest to destroy that which is the envy ofand model forthe entire civilized world. The moral of the story: Ruth Simplicity respects nothing and no one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/biomechanic/3165721000/in/pool-farside This is hilarious because over dinner last night with Spanish friends, I learned that there is no tradition of the Easter bunny here. Instead, they have an Easter chicken. Today I took a long walk with my dogs and was passing the Cathedral in Sitges just as the Easter worshippers were emerging. Call me jaded, but the vast majority of them did not appear to be happy to me after celebrating the return from the dead of their Savior. In fact, most of them were frowning and looked more as if they had been visited by the chicken of Depression. Go figure. :-) Grim, fer shure. I think that 'savior' said, Let the dead bury their dead. Which meant, those who are blinded by materialism (no spiritual insight) are spiritually 'dead', their consciousness lives on the surface of the skin only, they have no intuitive realizations and/or experience of the superior bliss of spirit. They're 'dead' to spiritual awareness, their own Self! Just because someone goes to church doesn't mean they walk away with a grin on their face all day. Spiritual introspection brings the sincere soul the guidance it needs, be it joy OR sorrow. Only a fool finds security in the temporal fleeting joys of the senses, he finds he builds his foundation upon sand and it crumbles in time whereas the superior joys of God realization survive even the grave.
[FairfieldLife] Happiness is relative
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: I don't see any attempt to distinguish Saint Teresa of Avilla internal experiences from descriptions of people with mental illness or even the most mild form of skepticism about these reports that we all apply to the daily news concerning events that just happened reported by eye witnesses. At best we have a beautiful metaphor for the internal experience she was having that some people seem to value. (Her descriptions seem horrific to me and indicate a need for professional intervention IMO.) At worst we have a PT Barnum attempt to promote belief in an event with no controls that defy our common sense. The epistemological basis is the self-proclaimed witness asserted it. The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. Like the magic carpet in the fables of the Mid East, I can accept these tales as inspiring metaphors for our human spirit (however you want to define that.) But rugs and people don't fly, and asserting that they literally do grounds humanity to our most ignorant past rather than inspire us to raise our knowledge level with all the tools we have discovered. We can do better than to accept a preposterous claim because someone a long time claimed it in the self-serving context of their favorite Saint. Levitation is the ability to identify completely with Spirit... This must have been the experience of Saint Teresa of Avilla for example.  One translation of Pantajali's is:  'By concentrating on the relation of the body to the all-pervading Ether, and, thinking of small and light objects such as the fibres of cotton-wool, the yogi is able to travel through space'. This sounds 'Scientific enough; as the Sanskrit writers were very precise, in their way...  I am thinking that the same vibrational essence of levitation, as spontaneously produced by Teresa of Avilla, through her own descriptions of the experience... Could  be the onenes of the manifestation of:  'Lightness of Spirit'. I am sure any levitation demonstration, would be profound, as it was in Saint Teresa's day...  This is one of the ways, we can think of this concept of transforming Homo Sapien to Homo Spiritus.  From a concept called 'Homo Sapien to Homo Spiritus'...  From 'Veronica in Sonoma:  Eloheim has taught for some time that we are moving from homo sapiens to homo spiritus. They have also taught that âyou canât have change without change.âEloheim has taught for some time that we are moving from homo sapiens to homo spiritus. They have also taught that âyou canât have change without change.â  http://eloheim.info/wordpress/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Dear Cyn, won't you come out to Play?'
I met Prudence Farrow and she told me the real story. - Original Message - From: Robert To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Dear Cyn, won't you come out to Play?' From Cynthia Lennon's biography... The Beatles publicly renounced drugs (although never completely) after their initial meetings with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in London, and took a train to Bangor, in Wales, to meet him again in the summer of 1967. A policeman stopped Cynthia from boarding the train as it was pulling out (not knowing who she was) with Lennon calling out of a window after her, Tell them to let you on!.[72] She broke down in tears, and later said that it symbolised where she felt their marriage was heading, with Lennon speeding into the future and herself being left behind.[73] Epstein had previously agreed to travel to Bangor to join them after the August Bank Holiday, but died of a drug overdose on 27 August 1967, which was a massive shock to both her and Lennon.[74][75] India The Beatles were scheduled to fly to India to visit the Maharishi for two or three months, but before that she found letters from Yoko Ono that made it clear that Lennon had had contact with her over a period of time. She had previously met Ono when Ono asked for a lift in Lennon's car after a meeting with the Maharishi in a London suburb.[76] Lennon denied that he was involved with Ono, and said that she was just some crazy artist who wanted to be sponsored, although Ono kept up a stream of calls and visits to Kenwood.[77] In February 1968, she flew to India with Lennon and the other Beatles and their partners.[78] She had taken pens and paper with her, so was able to draw, meditate with Lennon every day, and for the first time in her life she started to write poetry.[79] Magic Alex (Greek-born Alex Mardas who was part of Apple Electronics) was also with them, and smuggled in alcohol from the nearest village as it was not allowed in the ashram. After two weeks Lennon wanted to sleep in a separate room from her, saying that he could only meditate when he was alone.[80] She found out much later that Lennon walked down to the local post office every morning to see if he had received a telegram from Ono, who sent one almost daily.[79] Divorce Cynthia and Julian at Kenwood in 1968, after Lennon had left. She had suspicions of Lennon's infidelity over the years, and people had told her that he had had numerous affairs as far back as their time together at the art college in Liverpool, but she decided to ignore it, unless there was definite proof.[81] After returning to Kenwood from India, Lennon got very drunk on scotch and coke and confessed that there had been other women during his time with her. He detailed every groupie, friends of hers (such as Joan Baez, and Maureen Cleave) and told her about thousands of women around the globe.[82] She was totally taken aback at the time and simply replied, That's OK.[83] Two weeks later, in May 1968, Lennon suggested that she take a holiday in Greece with Mardas, Donovan and two friends. Lennon said that he would be very busy recording The White Album and that it would do her some good to take a break.[83] The beginning of the end for the Lennon's marriage came when she arrived back at Kenwood one day early from Greece on 22 May 1968, to discover Lennon and Ono sitting cross-legged on the floor, staring into each others eyes, and then found Ono's slippers outside their bedroom door.[84] She gathered a few things and asked Jenny Boyd and Mardas if she could spend the night at their apartment. At the apartment Boyd went straight to bed, but Mardas got Cynthia drunk and tried to convince her that they should both run away together. After she had been sick in the bathroom she collapsed on a bed in the spare bedroom, but Mardas joined her and tried to kiss her until she pushed him away.[85] Lennon seemed absolutely normal when she returned to Kenwood the next day, and maintained his love for her and Julian.[86] Lennon went to New York with McCartney shortly after and told her she could not go with them, so she went on a trip to Italy with her mother.[87] Mardas appeared during the holiday in Italy and broke the news that Lennon was planning to sue her for divorce on grounds of adultery, seek sole custody of Julian, and send Cynthia back to Hoylake.[88] She said in 2005: The mere fact that ‘Magic Alex’ [Mardas] arrived in Italy in the middle of the night without any prior knowledge of where I was staying made me extremely suspicious. I was being coerced into making it easy for Lennon and Yoko to accuse me of doing something that would make them not look so bad.[89] She was allowed to return to Kenwood, while Lennon and Ono took up residence at Starr's flat at 34 Montagu Square.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative
This is hilarious because over dinner last night with Spanish friends, I learned that there is no tradition of the Easter bunny here. Instead, they have an Easter chicken. So, Turq was probably eating a dead chicken to celebrate Easter? Today I took a long walk with my dogs and was passing the Cathedral in Sitges just as the Easter worshippers were emerging. Call me jaded, but the vast majority of them did not appear to be happy to me after celebrating the return from the dead of their Savior. In fact, most of them were frowning and looked more as if they had been visited by the chicken of Depression. Go figure. :-) do.rflex Grim, fer shure. I think that 'savior' said, Let the dead bury their dead. The Easter celebration is to honor the 'resurrection', not the death of the savior, Mr. Manning. You live in a Catholic country, so you should probably be knowing this. In Finland, Sweden and Denmark, traditions include egg painting and small children dressed as witches collecting candy door-to-door, in exchange for decorated pussy willows. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: But I'm more interested in what I perceive as the INTENT behind these pat answers, and who such answers seem intended to BENEFIT. Even more interesting is the INTENT behind the pat questions and who such questions seem intended to BENEFIT. It IS possible to make the case that those who have provided the dismissive TMO pat answers to these questions IN ONE SENSE had the welfare of the potential student to whom those answers were theoretically aimed in mind. compost1uk made an honest attempt to answer your questions and I think he did a pretty good job of it. Let's face it. Your questions were a set up. Prove you are interested in the answers to your questions by addressing compost1uk's answers point by point. It isn't fair to set the trap, sit idly by waiting for someone to take the bait. It only proves your personal INTENT to BENEFIT. Man-up instead of falsely claiming and pronouncing that all answers, no matter whose answers, are dismissive and pat. Argue his points and stop making things up. Message #214999 http://tinyurl.com/d55635 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/214999 That 'sense' is very limited, and IMO very questionable. It is IMO based on the prime directive of the TMO -- TM is 100% life- supporting. For someone who has bought into this prime directive, and has believed it for decades, these pat answers fall into the category of the end justifies the means. The end is TO GET THE PERSON TO LEARN TM. Period. In their belief system, *all else* is secondary. They believe that that is the highest goal, the thing that would be best for this theoretical young girl. They believe that if she can just be talked into learning TM, everything will be OK. In their view, *nothing bad can happen to her* if she just jumps on board the bandwagon of this 100% life-supporting technique. As a result, the people who believe this are willing to give partial and misleading answers, to obfuscate, to ignore the questions entirely, and to basically LIE to this theoretical young girl -- by commission or omission -- in an attempt to save her and bring her to the highest path of TM. They may try to portray their evasive answers as sweet truth but IMO they are sour lies. They DO NOT SERVE the potential student; they serve only the cult and the cultist and the preservation of their belief system. THAT is the very thing I was hoping to point out and bring to light by posting this test. It was a test to see who was willing to play the end justifies the means game (and to see who was *afraid* to play it because they knew what they would be really doing) and attempt to do with their answers the SAME thing that the TMO is trying to do by scrubbing its main website of any potentially controversial mater- ial that might cause someone to question the value of learning the TM technique as a result of seeing millionaires in drag as 'Rajas' or pundits in neat little rows chanting religious scriptures or discussions of the siddhis and other *real* beliefs of the TMO. And they do this IMO for the SAME reason. Anyone who actually *was* a TM teacher and sat in those talks by Maharishi *knows* how much of a the end justifies the means person he was. He could justify lying about ANYTHING, as long as doing so caused someone to buy into his belief system. Who do you think WROTE the lists of pat answers Hugo mentions above? Some consider this behavior acceptable, and the very definition of spiritual teaching. I do not. I consider it the antithesis of spiritual teaching. I am very much a proponent of answering good questions with good answers, *honest* answers, answers designed to address the question-asker's real concerns and doubts and give them the infor- mation they need to come to some conclusion OF THEIR OWN. The idea of teaching is NOT to lead the question- asker to MY conclusion. That's an ego game, and a religious fanatic's game. IMO, *my* answers are NOT the correct ones; they are merely *my* answers. The student has the right to come to his or her OWN answers, and as a teacher I have the duty not only to allow them to do so but to help them to do so. Clearly not all see spiritual teaching this way. In their evangelistic zeal, they find it accept- able and even noble to mislead the prospective student or the existing student with half-truths, evasions, or outright lies. They have quaffed the TMO Kool-Aid so deeply and for so long, and have bought into the idea that doubt is BAD for so long that for them the entire *purpose* of answers to a doubter's questions is to get them to STFU and get back On The Program, believing what they have been told to believe. And, in their universe, from the point of view of their belief system, I guess they really CAN feel noble or good about providing
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'What Ever happened to the Body of Jesus?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: The common dogma we all know about. But, what I am wondering, is if anyone has any information, On this subject, who has access to Akashic Records, of that era? According to what I just saw on TV, in Kashmir they believe, that Jesus is buried there...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/biomechanic/3165721000/in/pool-farside This is hilarious because over dinner last night with Spanish friends, I learned that there is no tradition of the Easter bunny here. Instead, they have an Easter chicken. Today I took a long walk with my dogs and was passing the Cathedral in Sitges just as the Easter worshippers were emerging. Call me jaded, but the vast majority of them did not appear to be happy to me after celebrating the return from the dead of their Savior. In fact, most of them were frowning and looked more as if they had been visited by the chicken of Depression. Go figure. :-)
[FairfieldLife] You do have to do the work, it will
There is so much back and forth insulting on this forum (Jane, you ignorant slut) that I thought this might be useful so you don't have to go through the effort. A complaint letter generator: http://www.pakin.org/complaint For example, Nabby could use this generated by the program: While no statement I'm about to make should be construed as suggesting or recommending that any person commit an illegal act of any kind, you should realize that ex-TMers's junta is a snake pit populated by disaffected clods, wretched paranoiacs, and lawless prima donnas. Or if someone wanted to rant about me: My real point here is that there is no place in this country where we are safe from her satraps, no place where we are not targeted for hatred and attack. Whether the downfall of our culture can be arrested by a violent rejection of Ruth's contentious metanarratives, I am unable to decide; that would require forces with whose existence I am unacquainted. Nevertheless, you may want to consider that like a verbal magician, Ruth knows how to lie without appearing to be lying, how to bury secrets in mountains of garbage-speak. Some people I know say that corporatism is the leitmotif of her warnings. Others argue that Ruth's words are part of a larger attack on the very notion of meritocracy and quality. At this point the distinction is largely academic given that if I wanted to brainwash and manipulate a large segment of the population, I would convince them that Ruth's merely trying to make this world a better place in which to live. In fact, that's exactly what Ruth does as part of her quest to destroy that which is the envy ofand model forthe entire civilized world. The moral of the story: Ruth Simplicity respects nothing and no one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Dear Cyn, won't you come out to Play?'
Robert wrote: From Cynthia Lennon's biography... Well, Robert, a 'biography' is usually written in the first person. But by all counts John Lennon was not a very nice guy. He was a liar and a profligate of the worst kind, and a hypocrite. Patti Boyd doesn't have any good things to report about the rascal either. Read more: 'Wonderful Tonight' by Pattie Boyd Three Rivers Press, 2008 'The Lives of John Lennon' by Albert Goldman Chicago Review Press, 2001
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'How do You rate/with your Mate?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: http://www.cafeastrology.com/compatibilityrating.html Just for fun, I entered two sets of birth data. Their rating: 0.0 / 20 Perhaps it could be better to reconsider your relation, which is unlikely to last, and the bad moments can eventually predominate over the good ones as time goes by. Enjoy the present without planning too much and if it really requires too much energy to adapt to each other, then don't bother yourself too much. You will need courage to make a long way together. This is very unlikely to be a successful relationship but that's not an absolute fatality. It is up to you to decide without dramatizing! Why this is funny is that the two birthdates were for myself and the person I have been closest to and have had the strongest and most mutually-beneficial relationship of my life with, for almost 20 years now. So much for astrology... That's funny, because the only person that had a low score like that; Was my ex-brother-in-law, which expained to me, how sour our relationship had always been. Then I checked the the rating for him and my ex, and it came out a 20. So, that explained a lot to me, and how it played into the sibling rivalry thing, when I was younger. So, it is fun for me, in that way. I admire that you could be close to someone, for so many years, when the stars wouldn't have predicted it. But, then again, you are certainly, not the ordinary kind of chap, so I would expect some kind of anomolies, wouldn't you??/! R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: I'm on a sugar rush from so many easter eggs (the true meaning of this holiday) so I'm going to quickly rattle off a few, what I see as honest, answers to Turq's excellent quiz. THE WANNABEE TM TEACHER TEST When answering the following questions, assume that the person you are speaking to is a 16-year-old girl, an intelligent one who is interested in learning TM in her school as part of the DLF initiative but who has done a little Web surfing and is asking you to clear up a few questions so that she can in turn clear them up with her parents so that they will sign the permission slip she needs to partake in the DLF Quiet Time program. She is looking to you for honest answers. 1. My parents are quite conservative Christians. They are concerned that I might be getting involved in a different religion. Is TM based in religion? Yes, but you'd never know as we do it all in a foreign language and tell you it's meaningless sounds. Clever eh? By the time you realise you'll be hooked and much more forgiving especially when you hear Maharishi's discourse on how TM is the actual root of *all* religion. 2. How many mantras are there? I've read on the Web that there are only a few and that they are given out on the basis of age. Does that mean that all of the kids in my class (who are all the same age I am) are going to get the same mantra? Actually there are many hundreds of possible mantras but we only use ** and we choose them on the basis of ***. But we like to give the impression that it's all hugely complex and mysterious and that we have secret knowledge. But don't tell each other what mantras you have because it won't work anymore and we don't give refunds. 3. Where do the mantras come from? I have read on the Web that in India they are considered either the names of, the nicknames of, or invocations of sev- eral of the Hindu deities (gods and goddesses). Is this correct? I wouldn't know they don't teach us much at all about things like this. 4. What's up with this 'puja' thing? Again, on the Web I've read the translation of it, and it is *filled* with the names of Hindu deities. And, according to these Websites, at the end I am going to be asked to kneel. Does that mean that I am bowing to these deiites? Yes, but don't worry. Unless you are forbidden by your religion to have other gods you'll be OK. Besides they weren't Hindu gods when they became part of our tradition as TM pre-dates Hinduism. Trust me, TM is not a religion. I may spend four hours a day meditating and doing yoga and saying grace before meals and believe in mystical fields of consciousness creating the universe moment by moment but it's not a religion. 5. I looked at the tm.org website, and there is no mention there of 'Rajas,' the people who (as I under- stand it) run the TM organization. On other Websites, and in fact on old versions of the tm.org website I found on the Internet Wayback Machine, there are LOTS of mentions of them, plus photos of them dressed up in long robes and gold crowns. What's up with this? Who are these people? And why does it look as if the tm.org Website has been cleaned up to remove all mention of them? For example, here is a photo of one of them, the 'Raja' in charge of America: http://tinyurl.com/dhb89n It's our embarrassing little secret. Maharishi wanted us to dress up like this and we could never say no. Plus we actually like being king for a day. However, a little voice at the back of our heads warns us about appearing in public in our costumes. Especially near celebrities who would probably sue us for the damage it would do to their credibility. Plus, it's our policy to let people in gently to what we are all about. Too much enlightenment at once can be dangerous! Don't worry so much you'll get used to it. Maybe. 6. For that matter, if all of these 'Rajas' really DO run the TM organization, why aren't there any women among them? I'm a girl. Does that mean that I'm some kind of second-class citizen in the TM organization? No, just different. It's the vedic teaching that women should be nurturing and supportive of their men. Making a happy safe home while the men do the difficult stuff in life. Don't worry your pretty little head over it. And at certain times of the month you may not feel so welcome around town. This is because ancient scripture says you're unclean at these times and as we've thrown our lot in with the vedic idea of the perfect world we have to go along with whatever it says. This may appear bizarre but that's because you are judging it with decadent western ideas that are out of tune with nature. Don't worry you'll get used to it. 7. Similar to the deletion of any mention of the 'Rajas' on tm.org, there seems to have been a deletion of any mention of 'pundits,' even though one can still find videos of them on
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: This is hilarious because over dinner last night with Spanish friends, I learned that there is no tradition of the Easter bunny here. Instead, they have an Easter chicken. So, Turq was probably eating a dead chicken to celebrate Easter? Today I took a long walk with my dogs and was passing the Cathedral in Sitges just as the Easter worshippers were emerging. Call me jaded, but the vast majority of them did not appear to be happy to me after celebrating the return from the dead of their Savior. In fact, most of them were frowning and looked more as if they had been visited by the chicken of Depression. Go figure. :-) do.rflex Grim, fer shure. I think that 'savior' said, Let the dead bury their dead. The Easter celebration is to honor the 'resurrection', not the death of the savior, Mr. Manning. You live in a Catholic country, so you should probably be knowing this. In Finland, Sweden and Denmark, traditions include egg painting and small children dressed as witches collecting candy door-to-door, in exchange for decorated pussy willows. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter Nah, easter is a pagan festival of spring rebirth and fertility. The early christians moved their festival over it to stop all that dancing round maypoles and general friskiness. I think it struggles quite amusingly when they try and pass easter eggs off as symbolic of Christ being re-born. Can't see the harm in celebrating both festivals on the same day myself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: compost1uk made an honest attempt to answer your questions and I think he did a pretty good job of it. He did a good job of presenting the TMO standard spin answers to them. Let's face it. Your questions were a set up. That is true, because they are self- answering. The points raised in the questions are all TRUE. Any attempt to answer them by saying anything other than the fact that they ARE all true is, in my opinion, an attempt to cover up the fact that they are all TRUE. Prove you are interested in the answers to your questions by addressing compost1uk's answers point by point. It isn't fair to set the trap, sit idly by waiting for someone to take the bait. Of course it is. But just for fun, this is how **I** would answer these questions, given the setup in the test, and the theo- retical person I would be speaking to. I don't give a crap about his answers, or anyone else's. I have no need to refute them or counter them. You and cultists like yourself are the ones who feel a need to refute things that are obviously true and spin them so that they appear not to be true. THE WANNABEE TM TEACHER TEST OK - here's my best shot. But I admit some of it is a bit tricky... When answering the following questions, assume that the person you are speaking to is a 16-year-old girl, an intelligent one who is interested in learning TM in her school as part of the DLF initiative but who has done a little Web surfing and is asking you to clear up a few questions so that she can in turn clear them up with her parents so that they will sign the permission slip she needs to partake in the DLF Quiet Time program. She is looking to you for honest answers. 1. My parents are quite conservative Christians. They are concerned that I might be getting involved in a different religion. Is TM based in religion? Only in the sense that it would be true to say that western science is based on religion. Originally our modern science evolved out of the religion and philosophy of the middle ages. But to do TM and experience its benefits you are not required to believe anything religious (though you can add on top of the practice an interpretation from your own religion if you wish). The puja used for TM instruction was cobbled together from standard Hindu pujas (ceremonies of offerings) that can be found easily in books about Hinduism. The same is true of the mantras used in TM. So I would have to say that Yes, it appears that TM is rather *strongly* based in religion. 2. How many mantras are there? I've read on the Web that there are only a few and that they are given out on the basis of age. Does that mean that all of the kids in my class (who are all the same age I am) are going to get the same mantra? It doesn't really matter how many mantras there are, or whether you all all have the same mantra, or each has a different mantra. There is a simple method that your teacher uses to select a mantra that's suitable for you - and that's the important thing. As I remember from my TM Teacher Training course, there were 16 mantras, and they were definitely assigned according to age groups. Therefore, it is very likely that all of the others students your own age would receive the same mantra you do. 3. Where do the mantras come from? I have read on the Web that in India they are considered either the names of, the nicknames of, or invocations of sev- eral of the Hindu deities (gods and goddesses). Is this correct? See (1) above. Many Hindus WILL add their own take on TM that fits their religion. But that is their choice. For example, just like us, the ancients knew of the medicinal value of the willow (aspirin). of course they didn't have a chemical name for it, and it many cases it was viewed through a superstitious or religious belief system. But because we all take aspirin these days, that does not mean that we subscribe to any of those belief systems too! It is very definitely true that many if not most practitioners of meditation in India consider the mantras used in TM to be invocations of specific Hindu deities. As they are used in TM, they need not have any specific meaning, but their origin and the association with Hindu deities is clear. 4. What's up with this 'puja' thing? Again, on the Web I've read the translation of it, and it is *filled* with the names of Hindu deities. And, according to these Websites, at the end I am going to be asked to kneel. Does that mean that I am bowing to these deiites? See (1) and (3) above. The puja used in TM was put together by taking a number of phrases from common Hindu pujas and adding to them specific references to Maharishi's teacher. Kneeling is just kneeling. This is your first lesson in 'Zen'. As has been ably pointed out by the resident no-mind proponent on a web site called FFL (adult supervision
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: Apologies to Robert for my incorrect clipping that made it look like he wrote my drivel! Sorry Robert! The following DOES NOT reflect the views of Robert, and I am wholly, but obviously NOT holy, responsible for them. I don't see any attempt to distinguish Saint Teresa of Avilla internal experiences from descriptions of people with mental illness or even the most mild form of skepticism about these reports that we all apply to the daily news concerning events that just happened reported by eye witnesses. At best we have a beautiful metaphor for the internal experience she was having that some people seem to value. (Her descriptions seem horrific to me and indicate a need for professional intervention IMO.) At worst we have a PT Barnum attempt to promote belief in an event with no controls that defy our common sense. The epistemological basis is the self-proclaimed witness asserted it. The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. Like the magic carpet in the fables of the Mid East, I can accept these tales as inspiring metaphors for our human spirit (however you want to define that.) But rugs and people don't fly, and asserting that they literally do grounds humanity to our most ignorant past rather than inspire us to raise our knowledge level with all the tools we have discovered. We can do better than to accept a preposterous claim because someone a long time claimed it in the self-serving context of their favorite Saint. Levitation is the ability to identify completely with Spirit... This must have been the experience of Saint Teresa of Avilla for example.  One translation of Pantajali's is:  'By concentrating on the relation of the body to the all-pervading Ether, and, thinking of small and light objects such as the fibres of cotton-wool, the yogi is able to travel through space'. This sounds 'Scientific enough; as the Sanskrit writers were very precise, in their way...  I am thinking that the same vibrational essence of levitation, as spontaneously produced by Teresa of Avilla, through her own descriptions of the experience... Could  be the onenes of the manifestation of:  'Lightness of Spirit'. I am sure any levitation demonstration, would be profound, as it was in Saint Teresa's day...  This is one of the ways, we can think of this concept of transforming Homo Sapien to Homo Spiritus.  From a concept called 'Homo Sapien to Homo Spiritus'...  From 'Veronica in Sonoma:  Eloheim has taught for some time that we are moving from homo sapiens to homo spiritus. They have also taught that âyou canât have change without change.âEloheim has taught for some time that we are moving from homo sapiens to homo spiritus. They have also taught that âyou canât have change without change.â  http://eloheim.info/wordpress/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Multiculturalism Channel
On Apr 12, 2009, at 2:35 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Thus isn't it ironic that the same culture (ours) that basically worships love stories now also tends to demonize the culture that gave those stories to them? It's also ironic that the same culture that gave us that now uses arranged marriages in most Muslin countries. Isn't it fascinating that our News media refer to these Arabic cultures as barbaric just before they cut to the latest soap opera or romantic movie on Fox TV? I've never heard that...maybe some right-wing outlets do, not the MS ones though. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/biomechanic/3165721000/in/pool-farside This is hilarious because over dinner last night with Spanish friends, I learned that there is no tradition of the Easter bunny here. Instead, they have an Easter chicken. Today I took a long walk with my dogs and was passing the Cathedral in Sitges just as the Easter worshippers were emerging. Call me jaded, but the vast majority of them did not appear to be happy to me after celebrating the return from the dead of their Savior. In fact, most of them were frowning and looked more as if they had been visited by the chicken of Depression. Go figure. :-) Grim, fer shure. I think that 'savior' said, Let the dead bury their dead.
[FairfieldLife] 'Lightness of Spirit'
Levitation is the ability to identify completely with Spirit... This must have been the experience of Saint Teresa of Avilla for example. One translation of Pantajali's is: 'By concentrating on the relation of the body to the all-pervading Ether, and, thinking of small and light objects such as the fibres of cotton-wool, the yogi is able to travel through space'. This sounds 'Scientific enough; as the Sanskrit writers were very precise, in their way... I am thinking that the same vibrational essence of levitation, as spontaneously produced by Teresa of Avilla, through her own descriptions of the experience... Could be the onenes of the manifestation of: 'Lightness of Spirit'. I am sure any levitation demonstration, would be profound, as it was in Saint Teresa's day... This is one of the ways, we can think of this concept of transforming Homo Sapien to Homo Spiritus. From a concept called 'Homo Sapien to Homo Spiritus'... From 'Veronica in Sonoma: Eloheim has taught for some time that we are moving from homo sapiens to homo spiritus. They have also taught that “you can’t have change without change.”Eloheim has taught for some time that we are moving from homo sapiens to homo spiritus. They have also taught that “you can’t have change without change.” http://eloheim.info/wordpress/
[FairfieldLife] All the World's A Stage
Photo: http://www.misscellania.com/miss-cellania/2008/12/27/all-the-worlds-a-stage.html
[FairfieldLife] Gumby Dharma
http://www.sundancechannel.com/films/500325009 Gumby Dharma is playing on the Sundance Channel this month. It details the life, struggles and spiritual quest of claymation master (Gumby; Davey and Goliath), Art Clokey.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'How do You rate/with your Mate?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: http://www.cafeastrology.com/compatibilityrating.html Just for fun, I entered two sets of birth data. Their rating: 0.0 / 20 Perhaps it could be better to reconsider your relation, which is unlikely to last, and the bad moments can eventually predominate over the good ones as time goes by. Enjoy the present without planning too much and if it really requires too much energy to adapt to each other, then don't bother yourself too much. You will need courage to make a long way together. This is very unlikely to be a successful relationship but that's not an absolute fatality. It is up to you to decide without dramatizing! Why this is funny is that the two birthdates were for myself and the person I have been closest to and have had the strongest and most mutually-beneficial relationship of my life with, for almost 20 years now. So much for astrology...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative
In Finland, Sweden and Denmark, traditions include egg painting and small children dressed as witches collecting candy door-to-door, in exchange for decorated pussy willows. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter Hugo wrote: Nah, easter is a pagan festival of spring rebirth and fertility. The early christians moved their festival over it to stop all that dancing round maypoles and general friskiness. Can you cite any evidence that Easter is a 'pagan festival of spring rebirth', Hugo? From what I've read, Easter is part of the Jewish Passover rite. The implications of the goddess have resulted in scholarly theories about whether or not Eostre is an invention of Bede... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter
[FairfieldLife] Re: You do have to do the work, it will
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: There is so much back and forth insulting on this forum (Jane, you ignorant slut) that I thought this might be useful so you don't have to go through the effort. A complaint letter generator: http://www.pakin.org/complaint For example, Nabby could use this generated by the program: While no statement I'm about to make should be construed as suggesting or recommending that any person commit an illegal act of any kind, you should realize that ex-TMers's junta is a snake pit populated by disaffected clods, wretched paranoiacs, and lawless prima donnas. HaHa, that's a good one, and often true as well ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chicken and bacon sandwich for lunch
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom azg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: Perhaps a sign of the AoE will be when Iowa shuts down all of its pig slaughter farms. . Where are we going to get our bacon then? Nebraska? Sweden? http://snipurl.com/fpe9t goes *great* with whole roasted cumin Hawk meat? That's barbaric. Thats my point. And the wholesale slaughter of pigs, chickens and beef is not barbaric? My repsonse was to satvadude108's need for pork (pumps up the satva, I am sure). Why is killing pork for meat less barbaric than killing hawks for meat?
[FairfieldLife] Gay marriage and parenting -- who's got clarity? (Re: Iowa State Senator Becky)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: snip The redneck sends a kid to school who will pop a cap on a cat, and that kid is going to be a fly in the ointment of so many normal school activities that call for emotional sensitivity. That's a bigtime burden -- as a school teacher I was devastated by how much one single bad egg can ruin a classroom. Why make it possible to insert even more parent-warped kids into our culture? What? We've got to be fair and let the bad-gays send their twisted little freaks to school too? This may come as a shock to you, Edg, but allowing two men to marry and raise children will not result in *more* children than there would be otherwise, since two men can't, you know, reproduce. The children who would be raised by a male couple would have been raised by *somebody* if the male couple wasn't allowed to do so. And if the percentage of twisted children raised by gay male parents isn't any higher than the percentage of twisted children raised by hetero parents, then the effect of allowing a male couple to raise children in that regard would be nil: same percentage of twisted children either way. Note that I've left female couples out of this. If two women are allowed to raise children, there could well be more children than there would be otherwise, since one or both of the women could undergo artificial insemination. But your objections to same-sex marriage were couched exclusively in terms of the twisted children who would be raised by a male couple. And BTW, the current discussion was about same-sex marriage, not whether same-sex couples should be allowed to raise children. A same-sex couple can raise children, in most cases, whether they're married or not, or in a civil union or not (although in some states they're not allowed to legally adopt; and if the child they're raising is the issue of a previous union of one of the same-sex partners, the other partner in that previous union may be in a better position to challenge the custody rights of the same- sex couple). What you seem to be proposing, in other words, goes way beyond the question of whether same-sex couples can marry. You appear to be advocating a blanket prohibition on same-sex couples--but apparently only male couples--raising children. But as I noted, your argument falls apart if you're objecting to only male couples raising children, because such unions would not add to the population of twisted children. Your argument, in fact, makes sense only if you're referring to *female* couples who arrange to have a child who is the biological offspring of one of the partners. These are children who wouldn't exist were it not for the female couple deciding to have children, so they *would* add to the population of children. If you can make a case for some of the children of such unions being twisted, then you can say allowing female couples to raise children might increase the number of twisted children. How many twisted children, do you think, would this add, say, per year?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Easter-The Holiest of Days?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: A Roman thing? Have you read the Torah? It was the blood of the Passover lamb that protected the Israelites from the Angel of Death. It was the blood of sheep, cattle, goats and doves, sprinkled on the alter and mercy seat, that blinded God to their violation of His Law, if only temporarily. The articles of Holy Communion, bread and wine, are only symbolic of the New Covenant God made with all men/women that whosoever repinted of their sin and accepted His perfect sacrifice and trusted in Him, would have eternal Life and have it abundantly. Who has believed our message?To whom will the Lord reveal his saving power?My servant grew up in the Lord's presence like a tender green shoot. sprouting from a root in dry soil and sterile ground. There was nothing beautiful or majestic about his appearance, nothingto attract us to him. He was despised and rejected-a man of sorrows, acquainted with bitterest grief.We turned our backs on him and looked the other way when he went by. He was despised,and we did not care.Yet it was our weaknesses that weighed him down. And we thought his troubles were a punishment from God for his own sins! But he was wounded and crushed for our sins. He was beaten that we might have peace. He was whipped, and we were healed! All of us have strayed away like sheep. We have left God's paths to follow our own.Yet the Lord laid on him the guilt and sins of us all. He was oppressed and treated harshly, yet he never said a word. He was led as a lamb to slaughter. And as a sheep is silent before the shearers, he did not open his mouth. From prison and trial they led him away to his death. But who among the people realized that he was dying for their sins- that he was suffering their punishment? He had done no wrong, and he never decieved anyone. But he was buried like a criminal; he was put in a rich man's grave. But it was the Lord's good plan to crush him and fill him with grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have a multidue of children, many heirs. He will enjoy a long life, and the Lord's plan will prosper in his hands. When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish,he will be satisfied. And because of what he has experienced, my rightous servant will make it possible for many to be counted rightous. for he will bear all their sins. I will give him the honors of one who is mighty and great, because he exposed himself to death. He was counted among those who were sinners. He bore the sins of many and interceded for sinners. These are the words of the prophet Isaiah some 700 hundred years before Christ. Blood is not a Roman thing. Thanks for posting this. I had no idea that there was such an anticipation of the Jesus story in Isaiah. I wonder if this lends support to the idea that Jesus and his followers deliberately set up some of the New Testament events so as to to engineer the fulfilment of the prophecies? Including perhaps the crucifixion itself of course (which takes some imagining!) And hence the idea that Jesus didn't really die on the cross, but survived and went off to who-knows-where. Southern France? India? (I see there's Jesus in the Himalayas on the box tonight). --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Robert babajii...@... wrote: From: Robert babajii...@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Easter-The Holiest of Days?' To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 3:59 AM --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Richard M compost1uk@ ... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: I don't get it... How could Easter be described as the 'Holiest of Days?' The guy gets crucified, by Rome and the Jewish puppets of Rome. They later change the story to blame the Jews for his death. Then they claim his tortured crucifixion is a holy thing? Seems to me that would be the un-holiest thing I can think of. Let's see if we can come up with some other 'Holy Days'? November 11, 1963; December 8, 1980; April 4, 1968... Religion, what a crazy thing! R.G. Madison, WI On the other hand - Do you believe in the idea of archetypes ? You have here the symbol of the innocent lamb, of complete purity, exposed to the ultimate in evil and the Negative. And yet, as Christians would have it, the apparently defeated, weak victim comes out triumphant in the end. Perhaps the success of Christianity could be due to a resonance with some such archetype in our collective unconscious? Just trying to understand.. . I agree with the whole concept of what you are describing. I'm just pissed off that the Romans adjusted the religion to fit their traditions and isolated and killed the Jewish people who were believers and then shifted the religion to be anti-Jewish, and caused untold misery and death in
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do we know we agree?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Grate.swan, Hmmm. Again, it comes down to the meaning of a single word. Always, it seems, when we really want to know something, there's not a dictionary that can satisfy. What does this word agree mean? Whenever I read scriptures or the writings of gurus, I cannot help but resonate frequently. So much is so clearly there behind the metaphors in almost any attempt to grok the basis of existence, that I find it difficult to believe that they are not, each and all, talking about the same thing/non-thing. If Christ gave His sermon on the mount in ancient Asia -- what Taoist's foot would not be set to tapping? When a Kabbalist speaks of Ein-sof, isn't the Dali Lama nodding like a bobble-head on the tuck and roll of a low-rider's '64 Chevy on a cobblestone road? I mean, ask any mathematician about zero. It's not like zero's trying to trick anyone into thinking it's a number like all the other numbers. There is not a secret sect of number jockeys eschewing the transcendental nature of zero and calling for it to be seen as having some sort of value. Or a stawberry for that matter. Where are the hoards describing it as very much like broccoli instead of much more like kiwi? To me, agreement is a ballpark entered. Edg Kumbaya Bah! I don't see much ecumenical mysticism. Proponents in various schools are not generally proclaiming -- hey, we are all headed for the same, and all these other ways are just as good as ours. Even the Dali Lama who appears a bit more open minded than some, has said only tibetian buddhism will take you all the way home. Even people coming fom similar tradition (TM) can't agree on much -- see FFL posts -- on what is the ultimate state and the best way -- or only way -- to get there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: From this file: All mystics agree that Ultimate Reality-whether It is called Allah, Brahman, Buddha-nature, En-sof, God, or the Tao-cannot be grasped by thought or expressed in words. Is that true, ALL mystics? Was there a vote? a poll? Or is this simply someones fanciful thinking -- a convenient leap of faith that makes them feel all kumbaya inside. From what I understand, western christian, greek/russian orthodox, hebrew, sufi, kabballist, egytian, greek traditional, american indian mystics do not agree on this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife group. File: /Spiritual Books/21st Century Books-Non-Dual Sources.doc Uploaded by : rick_archer rick@ Description : Books on non-duality from FF's 21st Century Bookstore You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Spiritual%20Books/21st%20Century%20Books-Non-Dual%20Sources.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, rick_archer rick@
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Easter-The Holiest of Days?'
Richard wrote: You have here the symbol of the innocent lamb, of complete purity, exposed to the ultimate in evil and the Negative. According to what I've read, Easter does not refer to 'eating the Passover Lamb', but to the eating of the of unleavened bread, not to the eating of the sacrificial lamb offered in the temple. Apparently Jesus and the deciples ate the bread, not a lamb. ...eat the passover in John 18:28 refers to the eating of the Passover lamb, not to eating any of the sacrifices that were offered during the Days of Unleavened Bread. However, Easter itself commemorates the resurrection of Jesus, and not his crucifixion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter
[FairfieldLife] Gay marriage and parenting -- who's got clarity? (Re: Iowa State Senator Becky)
Judy, I could easily respond to your post, and the issue is important, and you have spotlit some nuances that need clarification, but you didn't react to my sincerely meant attempt to understand your meaning of the word empathy except to smack me gratuitously, and so, hey, you simply do not fucking deserve a response to your post below. In fact, let me openly declare that -- until you rejected my attempt to understand your usage -- I was in the mindset of Judy contributes here as much as Turq, but your recent fuck-you-Edg was the last straw, (meaning you've called me names time and time again) and, finally, the scales have fallen from my eyes, and I now see that I was being way wrong whenever I was knee-jerkingly being an apologist for you here, and that, Turq, by a landslide, is far far more often a contributor of positivity here. Turq, I apologize for thinking otherwise. Not that you're not a odious clod, but that, despite your dark side, you can be counted on to frequently bring juicy stuff to the fore -- you stir our mix here. Judy, you are commonly, frequently, dedicatedly seen to try to stifle the dialogue here, and abusing the messenger is your common tool -- one that you cannot deny. So, just in case you're still reading, take your red pencil mind and scribble your way to hell. I'm as done with you as I am with Willy. I'd rather have interaction with Off, Shemp and Nab. Ta ta -- please keep having the life you're saying you have -- it seems a fitting punishment for what you are. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: snip The redneck sends a kid to school who will pop a cap on a cat, and that kid is going to be a fly in the ointment of so many normal school activities that call for emotional sensitivity. That's a bigtime burden -- as a school teacher I was devastated by how much one single bad egg can ruin a classroom. Why make it possible to insert even more parent-warped kids into our culture? What? We've got to be fair and let the bad-gays send their twisted little freaks to school too? This may come as a shock to you, Edg, but allowing two men to marry and raise children will not result in *more* children than there would be otherwise, since two men can't, you know, reproduce. The children who would be raised by a male couple would have been raised by *somebody* if the male couple wasn't allowed to do so. And if the percentage of twisted children raised by gay male parents isn't any higher than the percentage of twisted children raised by hetero parents, then the effect of allowing a male couple to raise children in that regard would be nil: same percentage of twisted children either way. Note that I've left female couples out of this. If two women are allowed to raise children, there could well be more children than there would be otherwise, since one or both of the women could undergo artificial insemination. But your objections to same-sex marriage were couched exclusively in terms of the twisted children who would be raised by a male couple. And BTW, the current discussion was about same-sex marriage, not whether same-sex couples should be allowed to raise children. A same-sex couple can raise children, in most cases, whether they're married or not, or in a civil union or not (although in some states they're not allowed to legally adopt; and if the child they're raising is the issue of a previous union of one of the same-sex partners, the other partner in that previous union may be in a better position to challenge the custody rights of the same- sex couple). What you seem to be proposing, in other words, goes way beyond the question of whether same-sex couples can marry. You appear to be advocating a blanket prohibition on same-sex couples--but apparently only male couples--raising children. But as I noted, your argument falls apart if you're objecting to only male couples raising children, because such unions would not add to the population of twisted children. Your argument, in fact, makes sense only if you're referring to *female* couples who arrange to have a child who is the biological offspring of one of the partners. These are children who wouldn't exist were it not for the female couple deciding to have children, so they *would* add to the population of children. If you can make a case for some of the children of such unions being twisted, then you can say allowing female couples to raise children might increase the number of twisted children. How many twisted children, do you think, would this add, say, per year?
[FairfieldLife] Happy Spring Fertility Rites
Good luck in your search for the eggs!
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Easter-The Holiest of Days?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: snip Thanks for posting this. I had no idea that there was such an anticipation of the Jesus story in Isaiah. Not exactly a slam-dunk, though (see below). I wonder if this lends support to the idea that Jesus and his followers deliberately set up some of the New Testament events so as to to engineer the fulfilment of the prophecies? Or deliberately altered the specifics of those events after the fact as the tales of Jesus's life were being codified into the New Testament canon. In any case, it should be noted that in Judaism, the suffering servant passages from Isaiah are regarded as referring to the righteous remnant of Israel; and there's quite a bit of serious scholarship that comes to this conclusion as well. Even the translations of some contemporary Christian Bibles acknowledge this (such as the New Revised Standard Version (NRSV), the New Jerusalem Bible, and The Oxford Study Bible). For a sample, see: http://www.messiahtruth.com/isaiah53a.html To start with: ...Many Christians, particularly evangelical Christian missionaries, consider the Fourth Servant Song to be one of the most important Christian messianic prophecies, so-called 'proof texts', in the Bible. The New Testament, with its many references to 'Isaiah 53', provides for them a record of the fulfillment of the prophecy of a suffering and dying Messiah and his eventual return, triumph, and glory. Curiously, though, this is all being believed even though the common reference terms used in the Hebrew Bible for the promised Messiah, such as David, son of David, or king, are conspicuously absent from the text. Moreover, a suffering and dying Messiah is not part of the traditional Jewish messianic paradigm, which describes a Messiah that shows up only once, and one who will succeed in executing the messianic agenda, as it is described in the Hebrew Bible, during his reign as king of a unified Israel. You might even make the case that Isaiah 53 is a prophesy of the Holocaust... We'll almost certainly never know, but it behooves us to recognize that none of the possible interpretations is a slam-dunk.
[FairfieldLife] Drinking and Cigars: a recognized religious rite and requirement
Just after meeting with Roosevelt and Stalin in Yalta, Churchill met with the Saudi king. At a state dinner in Saudi Arabia, the muslim prohibition against alcohol and smoking was to be observed at the dinner for Churchill. Churchill in no uncertain terms told the king's minister that smoking cigars after dining, and drinking before, during and after dinner was a fundamental part of his religion and he was obliged to follow his religious doctrine. The king obliged Mr. Churchill. So its is clear that drinking and smoking are religious activities -- at least to some -- and by the logic of this forum, that makes it a religious act. Thus we must ban drinking and smoking at all publicly funded schools! A hard blow to an honored tradition I know. Imagine, sober kids in school! And during sessions of congress. Its absolutely mandated by the constitution (following the logic of some prior posts).
[FairfieldLife] Argentina Economic Collapse Documentary
This a great documentary to watch about Argentina's economic collapse: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4353655982817317115 The similarities about what Argentina went through and the US is now are striking.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: compost1uk made an honest attempt to answer your The answer to your question is a definite Yes. Women are definitely second-class citizens in the TM movement. In fact women are not even called women in the TMO. They are only referred to as ladies.
[FairfieldLife] The gods are attempting to be born!
http://digg.com/d1oVRJ Here's a woman with a third arm. Only five more to go, and the Age Of Enlightenment is fully realized. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/biomechanic/3165721000/in/pool-farside This is hilarious because over dinner last night with Spanish friends, I learned that there is no tradition of the Easter bunny here. Instead, they have an Easter chicken. Today I took a long walk with my dogs and was passing the Cathedral in Sitges just as the Easter worshippers were emerging. Call me jaded, but the vast majority of them did not appear to be happy to me after celebrating the return from the dead of their Savior. In fact, most of them were frowning and looked more as if they had been visited by the chicken of Depression. Go figure. :-) Grim, fer shure. I think that 'savior' said, Let the dead bury their dead. Which meant, those who are blinded by materialism (no spiritual insight) are spiritually 'dead', their consciousness lives on the surface of the skin only, they have no intuitive realizations and/or experience of the superior bliss of spirit. They're 'dead' to spiritual awareness, their own Self! Just because someone goes to church doesn't mean they walk away with a grin on their face all day. Spiritual introspection brings the sincere soul the guidance it needs, be it joy OR sorrow. Only a fool finds security in the temporal fleeting joys of the senses, he finds he builds his foundation upon sand and it crumbles in time whereas the superior joys of God realization survive even the grave. Humanly contrived and organized churches and their dogmas are not the source for God-realization. They are more often than not, a direct obstacle. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,...who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Rom. 1:22-25 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands Acts 17:24
[FairfieldLife] Gay marriage and parenting -- who's got clarity? (Re: Iowa State Senator Becky)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Judy, I could easily respond to your post, and the issue is important, and you have spotlit some nuances that need clarification, but you didn't react to my sincerely meant attempt to understand your meaning of the word empathy except to smack me gratuitously, Gratuitously?? Go back and read your most recent post demanding that I respond to your question about empathy, and then tell me my smack was gratuitous. Do you even know what gratuitous means? not called for by the circumstances : UNWARRANTED and so, hey, you simply do not fucking deserve a response to your post below. I couldn't care less whether you respond to what I pointed out regarding your argument against same-sex marriage. The issue is whether you feel your argument deserves a defense. It isn't me you're punishing if you don't provide one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative
Just to piggyback on this post as the bird threads are winding down, and because it involves a chicken. . . When first living in Davis when my (now former) spouse was beginning her residency and I was being the househusband so the kids would have a parent at home, I worked part-time at a bookstore. While there I met a woman whose uncle was a retired lawyer in Stockton, and who lived on a century-old walnut ranch where he had become a chickenhead (his term). My daughter and I had the opportunity to visit his ranch and it was an amazing experience. It was an original homestead parcel, 240 acres with huge walnut trees that must have produced a lot of walnuts and a lot of income still, a beautiful old home with lots of additions over the years, fruit trees, big palms, willows, and ornamentals, and (literally) thousands of chickens. The scrub chickens were everywhere, just hanging about and roosting wherever they wanted. Everywhere you looked there were chickens. But the good chickens had their own runs and roosts, segregated by types so they were purebreds, and there were more of them than the scrubs. The chickenhead lawyer told me at the time (1991) that his feed bill was close to a thousand dollars a month. We spent an afternoon (before the barbecue -- scrub chicken, of course) walking around all the different enclosed runs and it was amazing. There are so many different types of chickens and many of them are absolutely stunning birds. You could see how much he cared for his birds and how much they meant to him. He just loved to have them around and to take care of them. His hobby had grown to encompass other birds as well, including all sorts of pheasants and even some tropicals for whom he had built regulared indoor runs. All the birds had plenty of room to roam, roost and fly as they desired. It was an extraodinary private operation. The one memory that sticks with me the most as we were walking around his property was an african stork he had in an outdoor pen. It was a female, almost 6-feet tall, or nearabouts, and she was, apparently, in love with the lawyer. While we walked up to her pen, as soon as she saw him coming, she came close to the fence, opened her huge wings, and began this hopping dance for him that, he told us, was a mating ritual. He went inside and danced with her for several minutes, the two of them hopping, bobbing, and weaving together and obviously digging the whole interaction. He told us she did this everytime she saw him and that he usually danced with her everytime, too. For the birds. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/biomechanic/3165721000/in/pool-farside
[FairfieldLife] Gay marriage and parenting -- who's got clarity? (Re: Iowa State Senator Becky)
How many twisted children, do you think, would this add, say, per year? Duveyoung wrote: ...I'm as done with you as I am with Willy. Ed got his feelings hurt again by Judy! Poor Barry and Ed - they got waxed real good by Judy and Willy. They sound really scared now - what to do? I hope they don't start crying - it's really sad to see grown men cry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Easter-The Holiest of Days?'
I wonder if this lends support to the idea that Jesus and his followers deliberately set up some of the New Testament events so as to to engineer the fulfilment of the prophecies? Judy wrote: Or deliberately altered the specifics of those events after the fact as the tales of Jesus's life were being codified into the New Testament canon... From what I've read, Jesus and his followers did not celebrate Easter - that celebration came much later. The first Christians, Jewish and Gentile, were certainly aware of the Hebrew calendar (Acts 2:1; 12:3; 20:6; 27:9; 1 Cor 16:8), but there is no direct evidence that they celebrated any specifically Christian annual festivals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip That is true, because they are self- answering. The points raised in the questions are all TRUE. Any attempt to answer them by saying anything other than the fact that they ARE all true is, in my opinion, an attempt to cover up the fact that they are all TRUE. Note that Barry asserts above that the points raised in his questions are all TRUE, as a matter of FACT, not his opinion (the fact that they ARE all true). Barry, in another recent post: The idea of teaching is NOT to lead the question- asker to MY conclusion. That's an ego game, and a religious fanatic's game. IMO, *my* answers are NOT the 'correct' ones; they are merely *my* answers. The student has the right to come to his or her OWN answers, and as a teacher I have the duty not only to allow them to do so but to help them to do so. One might want to read Barry's answers below in light of the above declaration and see whether those answers demonstrate that he is not trying to lead the questioner to HIS conclusions. But just for fun, this is how **I** would answer these questions, given the setup in the test, and the theo- retical person I would be speaking to. Let's review Barry's *actual* setup of the questions from his initial post: By taking this test and passing it, you certify your status as an 'Almost TM Teacher,' one able to parrot the 'right' answers almost as well as any real TM Teacher. In other words, by giving his *own* answers and not those of a real TM teacher, he's avoiding responding to his own questions (exactly what he claimed would certify me and presumably others as despicable cowards). It's the hypocrisy, stupid. I don't give a crap about his answers, or anyone else's. I have no need to refute them or counter them. You and cultists like yourself are the ones who feel a need to refute things that are obviously true and spin them so that they appear not to be true. THE WANNABEE TM TEACHER TEST OK - here's my best shot. But I admit some of it is a bit tricky... When answering the following questions, assume that the person you are speaking to is a 16-year-old girl, an intelligent one who is interested in learning TM in her school as part of the DLF initiative but who has done a little Web surfing and is asking you to clear up a few questions so that she can in turn clear them up with her parents so that they will sign the permission slip she needs to partake in the DLF Quiet Time program. She is looking to you for honest answers. 1. My parents are quite conservative Christians. They are concerned that I might be getting involved in a different religion. Is TM based in religion? Only in the sense that it would be true to say that western science is based on religion. Originally our modern science evolved out of the religion and philosophy of the middle ages. But to do TM and experience its benefits you are not required to believe anything religious (though you can add on top of the practice an interpretation from your own religion if you wish). The puja used for TM instruction was cobbled together from standard Hindu pujas (ceremonies of offerings) that can be found easily in books about Hinduism. The same is true of the mantras used in TM. So I would have to say that Yes, it appears that TM is rather *strongly* based in religion. 2. How many mantras are there? I've read on the Web that there are only a few and that they are given out on the basis of age. Does that mean that all of the kids in my class (who are all the same age I am) are going to get the same mantra? It doesn't really matter how many mantras there are, or whether you all all have the same mantra, or each has a different mantra. There is a simple method that your teacher uses to select a mantra that's suitable for you - and that's the important thing. As I remember from my TM Teacher Training course, there were 16 mantras, and they were definitely assigned according to age groups. Therefore, it is very likely that all of the others students your own age would receive the same mantra you do. 3. Where do the mantras come from? I have read on the Web that in India they are considered either the names of, the nicknames of, or invocations of sev- eral of the Hindu deities (gods and goddesses). Is this correct? See (1) above. Many Hindus WILL add their own take on TM that fits their religion. But that is their choice. For example, just like us, the ancients knew of the medicinal value of the willow (aspirin). of course they didn't have a chemical name for it, and it many cases it was viewed through a superstitious or religious belief system. But because we all take aspirin these days, that does not mean that we subscribe to any of those belief systems too! It is very definitely true that many if not most
[FairfieldLife] Gay marriage and parenting -- who's got clarity? (Re: Iowa State Senator Becky)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Alex Stanley wrote:Why should the government's legal recognition of committed couples, and all the secular benefits and protections that go with it, be denied certain individuals on the basis of superstitious beliefs? I'm totally cool with religious institutions being free to not perform same-sex marriage ceremonies, but I think the legal aspects of marriage should be available to all couples, regardless of gender. Alex, Where does it end? When will your sense of what's acceptable be thoroughly challenged? How much moral wiggle-room can you accept? I have not got clarity enough to answer my own question above, because my imagination can easily see future consequences, extremes that are possible, that will have me shuddering into a fetal position, because, to me, gay marriage must be considered for its impact on parenting. I'm not a parent, and I have zero interest in parenting, so this, for me, is an irrelevant tangent. The fact remains that legally recognized marriage confers legal benefits and protections that are not exclusively beneficial to parents. Here's just one example of this from my own life: My life partner of almost 22 years is a foreign national who was instantly able to get a green card by virtue of being a woman in a legally recognized relationship with me. If my partner were a male foreign national, we'd be SOL in that regard. For me, this issue is primarily about unfair discrimination on the basis of gender.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Grim, fer shure. I think that 'savior' said, Let the dead bury their dead. Which meant, those who are blinded by materialism (no spiritual insight) are spiritually 'dead', their consciousness lives on the surface of the skin only, they have no intuitive realizations and/or experience of the superior bliss of spirit. They're 'dead' to spiritual awareness, their own Self! Just because someone goes to church doesn't mean they walk away with a grin on their face all day. Spiritual introspection brings the sincere soul the guidance it needs, be it joy OR sorrow. Only a fool finds security in the temporal fleeting joys of the senses, he finds he builds his foundation upon sand and it crumbles in time whereas the superior joys of God realization survive even the grave. Humanly contrived and organized churches and their dogmas are not the source for God-realization. They are more often than not, a direct obstacle. True Religion is a source for God Realization, who are you to say one is not practicing true Religion and to condemn them all outright? Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,...who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Rom. 1:22-25 Meaning IMHO, they worshiped *gold* and material objects more than God himself, the creator of these items. Idolatry is putting material pleasure and possessions above God making 'them' false gods. God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands. Acts 17:24 Because essentially a church is not merely a structure built by hands but a temple where-in God is dwelling in the hearts of its builders. If it were merely a structure without sincere supplication of the Lord it would be empty indeed! The vibrations of the church are not built by hands but by the sincere devotion of the members.
Re: [FairfieldLife] You do have to do the work, it will
On Apr 12, 2009, at 9:05 AM, ruthsimplicity wrote: There is so much back and forth insulting on this forum (Jane, you ignorant slut) Those are just endearments, Ruth. If people really wanted to be insulting, it would go something along the lines of, Jane, you ignorant *lying* slut. Oh, wait a minute... that I thought this might be useful so you don't have to go through the effort.
[FairfieldLife] USD 8 billion US tax credits to be misused by paper companies
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090420/hayes By Christopher Hayes This article appeared in the April 20, 2009 edition of The Nation. April 2, 2009 Two years in Washington have started to make me feel jaded. I've come to expect that even nobly conceived laws will be manipulated and distorted for private ends. But once in a while I hear a story that gives me the queasy feeling that I'm nowhere near cynical enough. Such is the case with the tale of the paper industry and the alternative-fuel tax credit. Thanks to an obscure tax provision, the United States government stands to pay out as much as $8 billion this year to the ten largest paper companies. And get this: even though the money comes from a transportation bill whose manifest intent was to reduce dependence on fossil fuel, paper mills are adding diesel fuel to a process that requires none in order to qualify for the tax credit. In other words, we are paying the industry--handsomely--to use more fossil fuel. Which is, as a Goldman Sachs report archly noted, the opposite of what lawmakers likely had in mind when the tax credit was established. The massive tax subsidy has barely been reported in the press, but it's caused a stir in the paper industry, which is struggling to stay profitable in the teeth of the recession. Everybody's talking about it, paper industry analyst Brian McClay told me. In the US and elsewhere in the world--in Canada and Brazil and Chile and Europe. On March 24 International Paper (IP) announced it had received its first check from the IRS for a one-month period this past fall. The total? A whopping $71.6 million. It's probably close to a billion a year of cash, McClay said. If you look at the economics of this business, to make that kind of money today you'd have to be on another planet. IP's stock rose 12 per- cent on the news. The origins of the credit are innocent enough. In 2005 Congress passed, and George W. Bush signed, the $244 billion transportation bill. It included a variety of tax credits for alternative fuels such as ethanol and biomass. But it also included a fifty-cent-a-gallon credit for the use of fuel mixtures that combined alternative fuel with a taxable fuel such as diesel or gasoline. Enter the paper industry. Since the 1930s the overwhelming majority of paper mills have employed what's called the kraft process to produce paper. Here's how it works. Wood chips are cooked in a chemical solution to separate the cellulose fibers, which are used to make paper, from the other organic material in wood. The remaining liquid, a sludge containing lignin (the structural glue that binds plant cells together), is called black liquor. Because it's so rich in carbon, black liquor is a good fuel; the kraft process uses the black liquor to produce the heat and energy necessary to transform pulp into paper. It's a neat, efficient process that's cost-effective without any government subsidy. Seventy-three percent of the energy we use in our mill system we produce, says Ann Wrobleski, IP's vice president for global government relations. We feel like we're the original green industry, if you will. (In developed nations, paper is the third-largest industrial greenhouse gas emitter, behind the steel and chemical industries.) By adding diesel fuel to the black liquor, paper companies produce a mixture that qualifies for the mixed-fuel tax credit, allowing them to burn black liquor into gold, as a JPMorgan report put it. It's unclear who first came up with the idea--Wrobleski told me it was outside consultants--but at some point last fall IP and Verso, another paper company, formerly a part of IP, began adding diesel to its black liquor and applied to the IRS for the credit. (Verso nabbed $29.7 million at just one of its mills in the final quarter of 2008 for its use of mixed fuel.) Despite the obvious contrivance of the procedure, Wrobleski is unapologetic: The credit is supposed to encourage the use of green fuel. Sure, I said, but isn't it a bit weird you're now adding diesel fuel to the process in order to take advantage of it? It is what it is, she said. Others are less charitable. You use the toilet every day, said one hedge fund analyst who's been closely following the issue. Imagine if you could start pouring a little gasoline into the bowl and get fifty cents a gallon every time you flushed. No one in Congress seems to have anticipated this creative maneuver. This past fall the Joint Committee on Taxation computed the cost of extending the tax credit for three months and projected it would cost a manageable $61 million. It now appears that the extension (which was passed as part of the TARP) could cost as much as $2 billion before the credits expire at the end of this calendar year. In fact, the money to be gained from exploiting the tax credit so dwarfs the money to be made in making paper--IP lost $452 million in the fourth quarter of 2008 alone--that the ultimate result of the credit will likely be to push
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa State Senator Becky Schmitz: Equal Protection
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: Legal aspects sounds logical- calling it a marriage is a little hard to take. Nelson, your statement is loaded with emotional baggage but at the same time, I don't think it's fair to tell you, Well, just get over it. Everyone is entitled to feel whatever it is that they feel about it, struggle with it, and perhaps find some peace with it. Iowa has given it's blessing for gay couples it marry, and gay or straight, like it or not, it is now everyone's journey to find a way to embrace all committed relationships and their families. Good points RD, I have an ex brother in law in a partnership which is not a problem and, believe it's best to try to treat people as they would like to be. Being too much in your face about issues causes resentment tho. My wife is a pro life activist which is not my main issue and, I get tired of hearing about it after a while.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'What Ever happened to the Body of Jesus?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: The common dogma we all know about. But, what I am wondering, is if anyone has any information, On this subject, who has access to Akashic Records, of that era? Or if one has had visions or Ritam of the event. I am wondering if he could appear and dissappear, or something like that? Or, if he was just taken and buried by his family, And, the visions of the resurrection where more on a spiritual non-physical level... And that I had heard, that many people were 'seeing' their relatives, who had just passed, During the time, of the crucifixion of Jesus, King of the Jews; Wow, that hurt, beyond pain, with no morphine. The ghosts had been let out, and rumors built on rumores. There was no mass media, video, or any of the common records, which we take for granted, today. Sure we can walk on water, in the winter-time, in Iowa and Wisconsin...brrr! But, no actually levitation, which could be recorded and distributed world-wide, In a matter of nano-seconds. Strange Religion! R.G. Some coverage of this in the Aquarian Gospell
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. Oh, please Curtis. Do not use our and intelligence based on your limited understanding of just about anything. There is no our intelligence based on your level; that's an insult.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip For the record, as a matter of principle, I don't respond to questions or make statements under threat of being certified as a Bad Person if I decline. Ooh how convenient. Obviously it's the *opposite* of convenient. And how cowardly. No, what's cowardly is *responding* to a question posed in such a manner. But what's even *more* cowardly is posing it that way in the first place. It doesn't really take much courage, however, for me to risk being called a coward by Barry. It's only Barry's exaggerated sense of self-importance that leads him to think anybody would take his threat seriously. snip Having posted these questions, I have been quietly sitting back and allowing those who still have a pair of balls on them (and I think we all know who that does *not* include) to have a go at answering them. And the pat answers provided *would*, in fact, qualify those who provided them for Almost TM Teacher status. They were right out of the TMO playbook. Note that Barry's framing of the questions is deliberately ambiguous, so he can play both ends against the middle. The pat responses a committed TM teacher would give would be very different from those I would give, for example; but even the most outspoken TM critic could easily provide *the same pat answers* as the committed TM teacher (especially since most of the critics here have *been* TM teachers). In other words, being able to provide the pat answers says nothing in and of itself about the person providing them (except perhaps about how good their memory is). And then the ultimate in Barry-irony: snip The means are not justified by the ends. The means ARE the end. If you lie by commission or omission to theoretically achieve a good end, you are still performing the action of lying. And that action has a karma attached to it. How much karma does Barry think is attached to his countless performances of the act of lying on FFL (and earlier on alt.m.t)? But let's see how Barry gets around this little problem. The following is from a post of Barry's on alt.m.t back around 2003 that I ran across awhile ago and have been saving: Instead of the notion of a fixed 'reality,' we [Buddhists, in context] tend to believe that there are different ways of *perceiving* the world around us. If you glom onto to one of them, and decide that this particular way of seeing things represents 'reality,' then that way of seeing *becomes* your reality Since we [Buddhists] are not attached to any particular description of the world as being 'reality,' we are free to choose the description that seems most appropriate to the moment, and just go with it. Gosh, I wonder whether this is where I first got the idea that Barry prefers to create his own reality? But we have to realize that *only Buddhists like Barry* get to choose the description of reality that seems most appropriate to the moment. Others--especially TMers--must choose the description of reality that is most appropriate *to Barry* at the moment. Otherwise, you see, we are being dishonest and accruing bad karma. Then just to finish off this excursion into Barry-irony-lalaland: To respond to insults on the level of insults, one has to enter the state of attention of insults. I've done more than enough of that over the years here, dude. I think it's time for a change. Well, apparently it wasn't time just *quite* yet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. Oh, please Curtis. Do not use our and intelligence based on your limited understanding of just about anything. There is no our intelligence based on your level; that's an insult. Your response doesn't surprise me. When I question an idea, you come back with a personal insult. It is your MO here. But perhaps you would like to share why you believe there is credible evidence that would make you believe such reports of miracles from long ago. You know, actually participate in the topic with some thinking, instead of taking the easy way out. And to address the content of your insult, it is common for most people to question eye witness reports even when they were experienced recently, because it is a fact that people make all sorts of mistakes for lots of reasons. By all means have a go at challenging this idea.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Grim, fer shure. I think that 'savior' said, Let the dead bury their dead. Which meant, those who are blinded by materialism (no spiritual insight) are spiritually 'dead', their consciousness lives on the surface of the skin only, they have no intuitive realizations and/or experience of the superior bliss of spirit. They're 'dead' to spiritual awareness, their own Self! Just because someone goes to church doesn't mean they walk away with a grin on their face all day. Spiritual introspection brings the sincere soul the guidance it needs, be it joy OR sorrow. Only a fool finds security in the temporal fleeting joys of the senses, he finds he builds his foundation upon sand and it crumbles in time whereas the superior joys of God realization survive even the grave. Humanly contrived and organized churches and their dogmas are not the source for God-realization. They are more often than not, a direct obstacle. True Religion is a source for God Realization, who are you to say one is not practicing true Religion and to condemn them all outright? Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,...who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Rom. 1:22-25 Meaning IMHO, they worshiped *gold* and material objects more than God himself, the creator of these items. Idolatry is putting material pleasure and possessions above God making 'them' false gods. God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands. Acts 17:24 Because essentially a church is not merely a structure built by hands but a temple where-in God is dwelling in the hearts of its builders. If it were merely a structure without sincere supplication of the Lord it would be empty indeed! The vibrations of the church are not built by hands but by the sincere devotion of the members. ++ Once again: God...dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands Acts 17:24 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 1 Corinthians 3:16 Humanly organized religion and it's dogmas and its buildings are not definitive of God - nor are they a substitute for God. They are definitive of human organization with all of its human limitations. Humanly organized religion and it's dogmas and its buildings are NOT the source of God. Only God is the source of God. Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world John 18:36
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
Well that is a step up from the SIMS years -- when they were fair game. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: compost1uk made an honest attempt to answer your The answer to your question is a definite Yes. Women are definitely second-class citizens in the TM movement. In fact women are not even called women in the TMO. They are only referred to as ladies.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'What Ever happened to the Body of Jesus?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: The common dogma we all know about. But, what I am wondering, is if anyone has any information, On this subject, who has access to Akashic Records, of that era? Or if one has had visions or Ritam of the event. Well, perhaps when one's nervous system and soul are to that degree of purification, such trivial matters are not of much concern. At least that's my experience (am I getting the hang of this FFL one-upmanship, while being loose with the truth, thing?) Surely there are far more important questions one would ask and research when at that exalted state. Like: who is telling the truth, Turq or Judy? or, Is TM REALLY a religion? or, why did the hawk cross the canyon? or, are the raja's clothes funny or what!? I am wondering if he could appear and dissappear, or something like that? Or, if he was just taken and buried by his family, And, the visions of the resurrection where more on a spiritual non-physical level... And that I had heard, that many people were 'seeing' their relatives, who had just passed, During the time, of the crucifixion of Jesus, King of the Jews; Wow, that hurt, beyond pain, with no morphine. The ghosts had been let out, and rumors built on rumores. There was no mass media, video, or any of the common records, which we take for granted, today. Sure we can walk on water, in the winter-time, in Iowa and Wisconsin...brrr! But, no actually levitation, which could be recorded and distributed world-wide, In a matter of nano-seconds. Strange Religion! R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
Dismissiveness IS indeed superior to insults. Thanks for pointing that out :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. Oh, please Curtis. Do not use our and intelligence based on your limited understanding of just about anything. There is no our intelligence based on your level; that's an insult. Your response doesn't surprise me. When I question an idea, you come back with a personal insult. It is your MO here. But perhaps you would like to share why you believe there is credible evidence that would make you believe such reports of miracles from long ago. You know, actually participate in the topic with some thinking, instead of taking the easy way out. And to address the content of your insult, it is common for most people to question eye witness reports even when they were experienced recently, because it is a fact that people make all sorts of mistakes for lots of reasons. By all means have a go at challenging this idea.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. Oh, please Curtis. Do not use our and intelligence based on your limited understanding of just about anything. There is no our intelligence based on your level; that's an insult. Your response doesn't surprise me. When I question an idea, you come back with a personal insult. It is your MO here. But perhaps you would like to share why you believe there is credible evidence that would make you believe such reports of miracles from long ago. You know, actually participate in the topic with some thinking, instead of taking the easy way out. And to address the content of your insult, it is common for most people to question eye witness reports even when they were experienced recently, because it is a fact that people make all sorts of mistakes for lots of reasons. By all means have a go at challenging this idea. Your socalled intelligence is simply mindboggeling. You claim the numerous eyewitnesses make all sorts of mistakes for lots of reasons. It is also your claim that it is common for most people. Well you certainly claim the Throne of the common people, often called the Chair of Stupidity, Ignorance and utter Fear of the Unknown. (CSIFU) Case closed, further comments unnecessary. You've made your common points very clear indeed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do we know we agree?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Grate.swan, Hmmm. Again, it comes down to the meaning of a single word. Always, it seems, when we really want to know something, there's not a dictionary that can satisfy. What does this word agree mean? Whenever I read scriptures or the writings of gurus, I cannot help but resonate frequently. So much is so clearly there behind the metaphors in almost any attempt to grok the basis of existence, that I find it difficult to believe that they are not, each and all, talking about the same thing/non-thing. If Christ gave His sermon on the mount in ancient Asia -- what Taoist's foot would not be set to tapping? When a Kabbalist speaks of Ein-sof, isn't the Dali Lama nodding like a bobble-head on the tuck and roll of a low-rider's '64 Chevy on a cobblestone road? I mean, ask any mathematician about zero. It's not like zero's trying to trick anyone into thinking it's a number like all the other numbers. There is not a secret sect of number jockeys eschewing the transcendental nature of zero and calling for it to be seen as having some sort of value. Or a stawberry for that matter. Where are the hoards describing it as very much like broccoli instead of much more like kiwi? To me, agreement is a ballpark entered. Problem is, there are only so many ways you can describe inner qualia. And while they all may sound the same, the physiological correlates may be different. Or perhaps not. Buddhist meditation evokes coherent gamma, but in fact, according to signal processing theory, coherent 40 hz signals ALWAYS contain coherent 20 hz and 10 hz (alpha) signals within them --the pattern is just doubled), so to talk about Buddhist meditation lacking coherent alpha may not make much sense. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Multiculturalism Channel
On Apr 12, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Vaj wrote: I read a book several years ago on technology in the middle ages and what we now know, as compared to just 50 years ago, has quite changed. It turns out a lot of Arabic technology and innovation came from China, as a spur off the silk road came into that region. It's only recently thanks to a British institute that collects accumulated wisdom and western contacts with China that this has come to light. This would have been at the then eastern border of the Roman empire. It turns out the Arabs were mainly great transmitters of knowledge they'd received. Another huge source was India--Baghdad itself was designed by sthapatis Cosmic . -- there was actually an old Sanskrit university in Mesopotamia. But having said that one of the greatest ancient civilizations would have to be the Achaemenid Empire. Oh, yeah, I almost forgot about them. My first guess on the troubadours would have been pagan survivals like the scholares vagantes, Vaj, just out of idle curiosity, do you ever get tired of showing off arcane factoids or bringing up crap that serves little purpose except to maybe miff everyone? Are we supposed to be impressed by your grasp of endless historical and spiritual trivia? OK, we're impressed. You can put away the Cliff's Notes now. the wandering scholars who used to sing Latin poetry and teach forbidden pagan classics. That or Celtic civilization. In any event it seems, much like alchemy, to be a pre-Christian survival.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. Oh, please Curtis. Do not use our and intelligence based on your limited understanding of just about anything. There is no our intelligence based on your level; that's an insult. On miracles and such, is it safe to say anything can't be so because it is not in our experience or belief? On insults and such, I would think that long time seekers would have a level of equanimity and mellowness that would make this quite rare.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
Ah, Heaven on Earth is Rising. The Brotherhood of Man unfolding. Universal Love triumphant. Maitraya lives fully in the heart of Nabs. Nabs words express His Fullness. Nabs is the reflection of all great things to come (and which are happening now!). The combination of TM and Maitraya bhakti are clearly THE path for most rapid evolution and the unfoldment of full human potential. (And the air is so CLEAR now, I can actually see Nabs response, clear as day. Its such a joy!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. Oh, please Curtis. Do not use our and intelligence based on your limited understanding of just about anything. There is no our intelligence based on your level; that's an insult. Your response doesn't surprise me. When I question an idea, you come back with a personal insult. It is your MO here. But perhaps you would like to share why you believe there is credible evidence that would make you believe such reports of miracles from long ago. You know, actually participate in the topic with some thinking, instead of taking the easy way out. And to address the content of your insult, it is common for most people to question eye witness reports even when they were experienced recently, because it is a fact that people make all sorts of mistakes for lots of reasons. By all means have a go at challenging this idea. Your socalled intelligence is simply mindboggeling. You claim the numerous eyewitnesses make all sorts of mistakes for lots of reasons. It is also your claim that it is common for most people. Well you certainly claim the Throne of the common people, often called the Chair of Stupidity, Ignorance and utter Fear of the Unknown. (CSIFU) Case closed, further comments unnecessary. You've made your common points very clear indeed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: (And the air is so CLEAR now, I can actually see Nabs response, clear as day. Its such a joy!) HaHa, grate Bird indeed ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Gay marriage and parenting -- who's got clarity? (Re: Iowa State Senator Becky)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: [...] How many twisted children, do you think, would this add, say, per year? One of Tracy Ullman's recurring skits involved her as the 16-year-old daughter of a gay male couple. It was hilarious watching the two men trying to cope with the teenage daughter and her angst. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Yeah I figured you had nothing but personal insults to offer but I figured I'd give you a chance. As far as your denunciation of the common people's understanding of the unreliable nature of witnesses, you have just used the same kind of personal name calling rather than any intellectual points. So as far as I can make out what your point is, you somehow have a sense of personal superiority to other people and believe that this substitutes for epistemological clarity, making any reasoned argument unnecessary for you. You believe that by broadening your insulting remarks to include others who might also question a stated belief, you have contributed to the conversation here. Well at least you have demonstrated your limited approach to intellectual discussions very well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. Oh, please Curtis. Do not use our and intelligence based on your limited understanding of just about anything. There is no our intelligence based on your level; that's an insult. Your response doesn't surprise me. When I question an idea, you come back with a personal insult. It is your MO here. But perhaps you would like to share why you believe there is credible evidence that would make you believe such reports of miracles from long ago. You know, actually participate in the topic with some thinking, instead of taking the easy way out. And to address the content of your insult, it is common for most people to question eye witness reports even when they were experienced recently, because it is a fact that people make all sorts of mistakes for lots of reasons. By all means have a go at challenging this idea. Your socalled intelligence is simply mindboggeling. You claim the numerous eyewitnesses make all sorts of mistakes for lots of reasons. It is also your claim that it is common for most people. Well you certainly claim the Throne of the common people, often called the Chair of Stupidity, Ignorance and utter Fear of the Unknown. (CSIFU) Case closed, further comments unnecessary. You've made your common points very clear indeed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'What Ever happened to the Body of Jesus?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: snip Surely there are far more important questions one would ask and research when at that exalted state. Like: who is telling the truth, Turq or Judy? Hey, no need for an exalted state to determine that. In most cases, the archives of this forum (you know, the Yahooshic Record) are all that's required.
[FairfieldLife] Score a big one for Obama--captive freed, 3 pirates killed
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97H2SJ00show_article=1 http://tinyurl.com/d53kk8 Breitbart.com Official: US sea captain freed in swift firefight Apr 12 01:09 PM US/Eastern By ELIZABETH A. KENNEDY and LARA JAKES Associated Press Writers MOMBASA, Kenya (AP) - An American ship captain was freed unharmed Sunday in a swift firefight that killed three of the four Somali pirates who had been holding him for days in a lifeboat off the coast of Africa, the ship's owner said and a U.S. official said. A senior U.S. intelligence official said a pirate who had been involved in negotiations to free Capt. Richard Phillips but who was not on the lifeboat was in custody. Phillips, 53, of Underhill, Vermont, was safely transported to a Navy warship nearby. Maersk Line Limited President and CEO John Reinhart said in a news release that the U.S. government informed the company around 1:30 p.m. EDT Sunday that Phillips had been rescued. Reinhart said the company called Phillips' wife, Andrea, to tell her the news. The U.S. official was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity. A Pentagon spokesman had no immediate comment. When Phillips' crew heard the news aboard their ship in the port of Mombasa, they placed an American flag over the rail of the top of the Maersk Alabama and whistled and pumped their fists in the air. Crew fired a bright red flare into the sky from the ship. A government official and others in Somali with knowledge of the situation had reported hours earlier that negotiations for Phillips' release had broken down. ___ Jakes reported from Washington. Associated Press writers who contributed to this report include Mohamed Olad Hassan and Mohamed Sheikh Nor in Mogadishu, Somalia and Michelle Faul and Tom Maliti in Nairobi, Kenya. Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: snip On miracles and such, is it safe to say anything can't be so because it is not in our experience or belief? This is really an important point. How can we balance staying open minded with not chasing fantasy, how do we decide? For me it is a matter of assigning probability and that is in turn determined by the reliability of the evidence. And the principle that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof describes how we can grow in knowledge without getting too sidetracked with low probability claims. Our belief system should be subject to change for compelling reasons. We all find our own balance for how to apply this. No one accepts all beliefs as equally likely. The TB and the skeptic have both rejected a similar number of beliefs to arrive at the ones they do hold. They just do so for different reasons. On insults and such, I would think that long time seekers would have a level of equanimity and mellowness that would make this quite rare. This may be one of those claims that just doesn't seem to hold up to the evidence. In my experience it is rare to find a person who holds spiritual beliefs who can discuss them without taking a personal shot at the person being skeptical. But discussions here sometimes achieve that mutual respect and when it happens it is a beautiful thing~
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. Oh, please Curtis. Do not use our and intelligence based on your limited understanding of just about anything. There is no our intelligence based on your level; that's an insult. On miracles and such, is it safe to say anything can't be so because it is not in our experience or belief? Quite, that seems to be the case. Or not even within the range of the deranged intuition of the particular individual. On insults and such, I would think that long time seekers would have a level of equanimity and mellowness that would make this quite rare. It's not rare on FFL, quite the contrary. Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Score a big one for Obama--captive freed, 3 pirates killed
...the rescue makes his presidency look that much less like it is Jimmy Carter's second term... Great news. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97H2SJ00show_article=1 http://tinyurl.com/d53kk8 Breitbart.com Official: US sea captain freed in swift firefight Apr 12 01:09 PM US/Eastern By ELIZABETH A. KENNEDY and LARA JAKES Associated Press Writers MOMBASA, Kenya (AP) - An American ship captain was freed unharmed Sunday in a swift firefight that killed three of the four Somali pirates who had been holding him for days in a lifeboat off the coast of Africa, the ship's owner said and a U.S. official said. A senior U.S. intelligence official said a pirate who had been involved in negotiations to free Capt. Richard Phillips but who was not on the lifeboat was in custody. Phillips, 53, of Underhill, Vermont, was safely transported to a Navy warship nearby. Maersk Line Limited President and CEO John Reinhart said in a news release that the U.S. government informed the company around 1:30 p.m. EDT Sunday that Phillips had been rescued. Reinhart said the company called Phillips' wife, Andrea, to tell her the news. The U.S. official was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity. A Pentagon spokesman had no immediate comment. When Phillips' crew heard the news aboard their ship in the port of Mombasa, they placed an American flag over the rail of the top of the Maersk Alabama and whistled and pumped their fists in the air. Crew fired a bright red flare into the sky from the ship. A government official and others in Somali with knowledge of the situation had reported hours earlier that negotiations for Phillips' release had broken down. ___ Jakes reported from Washington. Associated Press writers who contributed to this report include Mohamed Olad Hassan and Mohamed Sheikh Nor in Mogadishu, Somalia and Michelle Faul and Tom Maliti in Nairobi, Kenya. Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
[FairfieldLife] Have YOU killed the baby Jesus yet today?
Today is the day of celebrating the macabre day of deicide: Easter. Kill the son of God...and then EAT him, symbolically, in the form of some wafer. And then DRINK his blood in the form of wine. Then top it all off with a hearty meal of either pig flesh or lamb. Mm. Once when a born again Christian (who also happened to be a TM teacher) told Maharishi that Christ died for his sins, Maharishi replied: Did he die for you or did he live for you? That God's son had to be killed in order to save all of humanity is a premise I reject wholly out of hand. If that makes me demonic, then so be it. But I suspect this sacrificing of God business and then trying to convince everyone that accepting this belief as the ONLY way to get to the Kingdom of Heaven is, in fact, the demonic approach.
[FairfieldLife] Easter kitty
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
Nowblowus a dit: It's not rare on FFL, quite the contrary. Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) And yet your writing is very common, hypocritical, and generally devoid of intelligence. Seems you are angry at yourself for producing the lackluster and common dialectic that you yourself despise. Then you reify it as coming from others. How could it be otherwise? Since you often are not even on the same page with other contributors here. I suggest that you're borderline psychopathic - not pitta. To be pitta you must have some constitution to begin with, whereas in your case character and constitution seem utterly disintegrated to begin with.
[FairfieldLife] MOBY: TM, the lazy person's path - do less and accomplish more...
Dance music superstar MOBY regrets not dedicating his life to transcendental meditation earlier - because it's a lazy man's dream. The hitmaker admits he rallied against most things connected to yoga and meditation for years because he was raised by hippies and the whole idea of it scared the s**t out of him. He explains, I thought that TM involved ritual animal sacrifice and moving to some country and renouncing wealth and materialism. But, after learning his moviemaker hero David Lynch was one of the world's leading practitioners of transcendental meditation, Moby decided to give it a go. And he says, One of the things that impressed me so much about TM when I finally learned it was it's simplicity. It's a simple practice that calms the mind... and the thing that won me over about TM, apart from having my hero David Lynch as its vocal practitioner, was its effectiveness. Nothing else helped me quiet my mind and go to a calm, centred place. The thing that makes it effective is you don't have to do all that much, and, as a profoundly lazy person, I appreciate that. http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/moby%20transcendental%20meditation%20is%20great_1100389
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
if this is you sober... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: Nowblowus a dit: It's not rare on FFL, quite the contrary. Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) And yet your writing is very common, hypocritical, and generally devoid of intelligence. Seems you are angry at yourself for producing the lackluster and common dialectic that you yourself despise. Then you reify it as coming from others. How could it be otherwise? Since you often are not even on the same page with other contributors here. I suggest that you're borderline psychopathic - not pitta. To be pitta you must have some constitution to begin with, whereas in your case character and constitution seem utterly disintegrated to begin with.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Multiculturalism Channel
On Apr 12, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Apr 12, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Vaj wrote: I read a book several years ago on technology in the middle ages and what we now know, as compared to just 50 years ago, has quite changed. It turns out a lot of Arabic technology and innovation came from China, as a spur off the silk road came into that region. It's only recently thanks to a British institute that collects accumulated wisdom and western contacts with China that this has come to light. This would have been at the then eastern border of the Roman empire. It turns out the Arabs were mainly great transmitters of knowledge they'd received. Another huge source was India--Baghdad itself was designed by sthapatis Cosmic . -- there was actually an old Sanskrit university in Mesopotamia. But having said that one of the greatest ancient civilizations would have to be the Achaemenid Empire. Oh, yeah, I almost forgot about them. My first guess on the troubadours would have been pagan survivals like the scholares vagantes, Vaj, just out of idle curiosity, do you ever get tired of showing off arcane factoids or bringing up crap that serves little purpose except to maybe miff everyone? Are we supposed to be impressed by your grasp of endless historical and spiritual trivia? I don't care what you do, it's just my observation on an interesting topic. Why on earth someone would get miffed is beyond me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) What do you mean by commoner?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: Nowblowus a dit: Don't worry Kirk. All will be well. No go and take your medication.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
though i hold a different opinion about TM than Barry does, i have come to appreciate his relentless focus on TM, advertising it for one and all. he is one of the most prolific publicists of TM on the web, and i thank him for that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip For the record, as a matter of principle, I don't respond to questions or make statements under threat of being certified as a Bad Person if I decline. Ooh how convenient. Obviously it's the *opposite* of convenient. And how cowardly. No, what's cowardly is *responding* to a question posed in such a manner. But what's even *more* cowardly is posing it that way in the first place. It doesn't really take much courage, however, for me to risk being called a coward by Barry. It's only Barry's exaggerated sense of self-importance that leads him to think anybody would take his threat seriously. snip Having posted these questions, I have been quietly sitting back and allowing those who still have a pair of balls on them (and I think we all know who that does *not* include) to have a go at answering them. And the pat answers provided *would*, in fact, qualify those who provided them for Almost TM Teacher status. They were right out of the TMO playbook. Note that Barry's framing of the questions is deliberately ambiguous, so he can play both ends against the middle. The pat responses a committed TM teacher would give would be very different from those I would give, for example; but even the most outspoken TM critic could easily provide *the same pat answers* as the committed TM teacher (especially since most of the critics here have *been* TM teachers). In other words, being able to provide the pat answers says nothing in and of itself about the person providing them (except perhaps about how good their memory is). And then the ultimate in Barry-irony: snip The means are not justified by the ends. The means ARE the end. If you lie by commission or omission to theoretically achieve a good end, you are still performing the action of lying. And that action has a karma attached to it. How much karma does Barry think is attached to his countless performances of the act of lying on FFL (and earlier on alt.m.t)? But let's see how Barry gets around this little problem. The following is from a post of Barry's on alt.m.t back around 2003 that I ran across awhile ago and have been saving: Instead of the notion of a fixed 'reality,' we [Buddhists, in context] tend to believe that there are different ways of *perceiving* the world around us. If you glom onto to one of them, and decide that this particular way of seeing things represents 'reality,' then that way of seeing *becomes* your reality Since we [Buddhists] are not attached to any particular description of the world as being 'reality,' we are free to choose the description that seems most appropriate to the moment, and just go with it. Gosh, I wonder whether this is where I first got the idea that Barry prefers to create his own reality? But we have to realize that *only Buddhists like Barry* get to choose the description of reality that seems most appropriate to the moment. Others--especially TMers--must choose the description of reality that is most appropriate *to Barry* at the moment. Otherwise, you see, we are being dishonest and accruing bad karma. Then just to finish off this excursion into Barry-irony-lalaland: To respond to insults on the level of insults, one has to enter the state of attention of insults. I've done more than enough of that over the years here, dude. I think it's time for a change. Well, apparently it wasn't time just *quite* yet.
[FairfieldLife] Save Sperm from Dead
By Rob Kall Poll: Should Harvesting Sperm Samples From The Dead To Produce Replacements Be Allowed? Missy Evans, mother of a son who was punched in the head, who then fell, hit his head and died about a week later, wants to harvest her son's sperm so she can produce a child many believe will replace her son. Should dead people's reproductive cells be harvesed so replacements could be created? http://www.freedomofspeech.netfirms.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) What do you mean by commoner? Fools. Those that buy into coventional wisdom. Those that follow the mainstream and that only understand they have been fooled when it is too late.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Save Sperm from Dead
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Arhata Osho arhatafreespe...@... wrote: Poll: Should Harvesting Sperm Samples From The Dead To Produce Replacements Be Allowed? Missy Evans, mother of a son who was punched in the head, who then fell, hit his head and died about a week later, wants to harvest her son's sperm so she can produce a child many believe will replace her son. Should dead people's reproductive cells be harvested so replacements could be created? I think it should be allowed if it is not gender-specific and women's eggs can be also frozen for the purpose of cloning. This could provide relief for rich men who trade in one woman for a younger version of the same woman, and do so repeatedly. For example, John Derek (Ursula Andress, Linda Evans, and Bo Derek) or Clint Eastwood (Maggie Eastwood and Sondra Locke). With clon- ing these guys would not have to settle for approximately the same woman only younger, they could actually create the same woman only younger. Hey, don't get offended...that's what such a technology would really be used for, and within a few years of it being developed, and we all know it. Dead is dead. Let it stay that way...
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) What do you mean by commoner? Fools. Those that buy into coventional wisdom. Those that follow the mainstream and that only understand they have been fooled when it is too late. In other words, Nabby on his deathbed, still waiting for heaven on earth and Maitreya.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wannabee TM Teacher Test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: though i hold a different opinion about TM than Barry does, i have come to appreciate his relentless focus on TM, advertising it for one and all. he is one of the most prolific publicists of TM on the web, and i thank him for that. Barry is a great advocate for TM. When the readers of his rants comes to understand the this confused Buddhist was a TM'er more than thirty years ago, yet what he focus on today is solely TM, they surely becomes interested in TM, Maharishi, Guru Dev and the Holy Tradition. Keep up the good work Barry ! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) What do you mean by commoner? Fools. Those that buy into coventional wisdom. Those that follow the mainstream and that only understand they have been fooled when it is too late. In other words, Nabby on his deathbed, still waiting for heaven on earth and Maitreya. In other words, the Turq; jobless, living in a shelter far away from home, finally realizing his descision to leave the TMO and joining Rama and various Buddhists cults was a mistake. The fool of fools really.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) What do you mean by commoner? Fools. Those that buy into coventional wisdom. Those that follow the mainstream and that only understand they have been fooled when it is too late. In other words, Nabby on his deathbed, still waiting for heaven on earth and Maitreya. In other words, the Turq; jobless, living in a shelter far away from home, finally realizing his descision to leave the TMO and joining Rama and various Buddhists cults was a mistake. The fool of fools really. Some time ago this charachter, the Turq, challenged me to tell him what would be the attached karma of a Turkey who plays the role of a Missionary. I'm happy to let him know now; within three years he will not even be able to feed his dogs.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
You win! You have reserved a spot in my trashbin. Bye Bye Nab. - Original Message - From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) What do you mean by commoner? Fools. Those that buy into coventional wisdom. Those that follow the mainstream and that only understand they have been fooled when it is too late. In other words, Nabby on his deathbed, still waiting for heaven on earth and Maitreya. In other words, the Turq; jobless, living in a shelter far away from home, finally realizing his descision to leave the TMO and joining Rama and various Buddhists cults was a mistake. The fool of fools really. Some time ago this charachter, the Turq, challenged me to tell him what would be the attached karma of a Turkey who plays the role of a Missionary. I'm happy to let him know now; within three years he will not even be able to feed his dogs. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
