date:20091104



 
 almost 100 posts. As far as I can
 tell, the ones I've read are entirely consistent with
 what MMY taught, a sort of refresher course on the
 finer points.
 
 I've always found his explanations brilliantly clear.
 Whether he experientially walks his talk, I have no
 idea, but he sure has the talking part down.
 


Yea, but oh that character of the walk has given us all a lot to talk about as 
he's gone down the path.  Great example of wonder about how walking or dancing 
down the path may have anything much to say about how far down the path 
characters are.

[FairfieldLife] Can group meditation bring World Peace? John Hagelin explains

2009-11-04 Thread raunchydog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVFa6Wtuxu8

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is CC flat suffering?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote:

 Yea, but oh that character of the walk has given us all a 
 lot to talk about as he's gone down the path. Great example 
 of wonder about how walking or dancing down the path may have 
 anything much to say about how far down the path characters are.

It has been my experience along the spiritual
path -- both in the TMO and in other organi-
zations -- that those who are impressed by 
people who can talk the talk of spiritual
experience and enlightenment are those who
have never had those experiences themselves.
Their appreciation of the people with a con-
vincing intellectual rap is a form of 
spiritual voyeurism.

One of the reasons I liked Gangaji when I
met her is that we shared a good laugh at 
the very *concept* of those who believe that
they intellectually understand Advaita, or
even that it *can* be intellectually under-
stood. Do you understand the taste of a
tangerine if you have never tasted one? Of
course not. And yet we see people claiming
that they understand Advaita when they have
never had a realization experience themselves.
Laughable.

On the other hand, if who is being talked 
about in this thread is Michael Dean Goodman
(I've read only your contributions, Doug),
one could make a strong case that anyone who
allows his house in Fairfield to become a
danger to other inhabitants of the town and
refuses to maintain it because he had other
priorities probably understands Maharishi's
teachings very well: Believe what I say,
not what I do.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] not such a good idea to post this here

2009-11-04 Thread shukra69

you are inviting the most dedicated trouble makers to cause a problem when you 
post these things in this forum

[FairfieldLife] Re: not such a good idea to post this here



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote:

 you are inviting the most dedicated trouble makers to cause a problem when 
 you post these things in this forum



Do you think this forum should be monitored and censored by the TM organization 
so that people can not freely discuss all points of view from all participants?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can group meditation bring World Peace? John Hagelin explains

Absolutely.

Jai Adi Shankara,
-D in FF

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVFa6Wtuxu8

[FairfieldLife] Re: not such a good idea to post this here

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote:

 you are inviting the most dedicated trouble makers to cause 
 a problem when you post these things in this forum

Not such a good idea to read posts by anyone
so stupid or so anxious to slam someone that he 
doesn't indicate what post he is referring to. :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: not such a good idea to post this here



On Nov 4, 2009, at 8:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote:

 you are inviting the most dedicated trouble makers to cause
 a problem when you post these things in this forum

Not such a good idea to read posts by anyone
so stupid or so anxious to slam someone that he
doesn't indicate what post he is referring to. :-)



Those crazy dissociating TMers!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is CC flat suffering?

2009-11-04 Thread BillyG




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:

 
 
 BillyG wrote:
  Ultimately however there is nothing other 
  than Shiva and He/she/It is unfathomable, 
  that is, to know Brahman is to become 
  Brahman.
  
 It seems pretty obvious, Billy, from reading 
 the quotations of Guru Dev that he was a teacher 
 of Advaita Vedanta, and that he felt that 
 knowledge of the Transcendetal was far superior 
 to any other kind of knowledge. 
 
 One of my favorite quotations explains with 
 an allegory how reality has a covering, and 
 that the real is the Transcendental Paramatman. 
 
 All other realities are just appearances, not 
 real, yet not unreal either - they are Maya. 
 
 According to Guru Dev, there is no higher Truth 
 than the Truth. The quotations make this 
 abundantly clear.
 
 The difference is the same as the difference 
 between rice and paddy. Remove the skin of the 
 paddy and it is rice. Similarly, remove the 
 covering of Maya, and the Jiva will become 
 Brahman.
 
 Source:
 
 Miscellaneous Quotations of Guru Dev:
 http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/miscellaneous.htm

Yes, Maharishi called it Mithya in one of his early lectures:

http://www.advaita.org.uk/discourses/definitions/mithyA.htm

[FairfieldLife] The sources of good and evil (was Re: Is CC flat suffering?)

2009-11-04 Thread jpgillam

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@ wrote:
 
 snip
  I'm merely saying I subscribe
  to the school of thought which holds that goodness comes
  from actions founded in the Self and badness comes from
  actions founded in the ego.
 
 I'm a little uneasy about this, but I can't come up
 with any specifics against it from what I know of MMY's
 teaching. It sounds a lot like St. Paul, which makes
 me suspicious!
 
 I guess I'm more inclined to think that *both* come
 from the ego, because the Self doesn't make such
 distinctions. But an ego at the service of the Self
 (i.e., in enlightenment) might well engage in more
 life-supporting actions than the ego in ignorance,
 when it thinks it's running the show.

An ego at the service of the Self is exactly how it works, apparently. 
Consider this exchange I had with an MIU classmate on Facebook after he posted 
as his status, [I'm] noticing that there are two of me:

I was feeling that the one I was familiar with was the one in charge and the 
other one was shiny jewelry that made the first one look great. But that take 
on it was rubbing me the wrong way after a while. So then I let the quiet one 
be in charge and let the familiar one relax and just let it be. I'm much 
happier now.

And this:

I have been aware for some time of the inner, silent dimension. But, 
interestingly, I thought of it as an add-on to my relative self. Over dishes 
the other night I realized that in order to set my life right, I had to reverse 
the polarity of my self concept. I had to identify with the silent one and let 
the active one be the other. Prior to this I had considered surrender to the 
inner as an indulgence. Now I realize that the *active must be aligned to the 
silent,* [emphasis added] and even though the silent does not speak ,it does 
express its will. If the active is allowed to dwell in the silent, then the 
actions it is inspired to do are the expression of the silent. It seems so 
simple and obvious, but it is actually a profound shift which erases fear and 
expands the inner to flow out over the active.

All this ^ is to illustrate your point above, Judy, about an ego at the 
service of the Self. 

 
  I've been thinking a lot about evil and the ego since
  reading chapter three of Path of Light, Robert Perry's
  book about A Course in Miracles. He was able to elucidate
  the nature of the ego in ignorance in a way I never
  thought about in the course of my consciousness-based
  education. Hence the black-and-white position I entertain
  at the top of this post.
 
 Can you say more about his approach?

I gave my book to a friend, so I don't have it here to reference, but the 
thrust of the chapter is that Perry breaks down the relative self into four 
components at four levels of subtlety. 

1. On the surface, all of us have a face we present to the world that's 
pleasant enough. We think of ourselves as nice people, basically, who may be a 
bit put-upon by the world.

2. At a level more subtle than that public face is a raging madman who wants to 
lash out at the world. This is the face that is revealed when a person is 
pushed too far. I call it the Billy Jack component, after the iconic 1970s B 
movie character who acts peace-loving and kind until pushed to the edge.

3. At a level below the raging madman is the scheming ego, which nourishes its 
existence by taking from others. It requires a constant flow of one-upmanship 
to exist, just as the body requires a flow of calories. 

4. At a level below the scheming ego is the guilt-ridden self. It's guilty 
because it's fully aware of how poorly it has treated people. It's the level 
that speaks when people say, If people knew the real me, they'd have nothing 
to do with me.

At the level below the guilt-ridden self is pure consciousness, the Christ 
self. It's the awareness that permits the guilty level to be aware of what the 
scheming ego has done.

Are you near a bookstore where you could pull a copy of the book off the shelf 
and look at the chapter? It has a goofy-looking, primitive illustration that 
succinctly relays the idea of the chapter. I'm afraid my summations hardly do 
it justice.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Gay marriage repealed in Maine

2009-11-04 Thread Rick Archer

As Jessie Ventura said on Larry King last night, people shouldn't be allowed to 
vote on civil rights issues. Taking this to it's logical extreme, some states 
would reinstitute slavery.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gay marriage repealed in Maine



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:

 As Jessie Ventura said on Larry King last night, people shouldn't be allowed 
 to vote on civil rights issues. Taking this to it's logical extreme, some 
 states would reinstitute slavery.



The issue inevitably will end up being decided by the US Supreme Court. All the 
signs point to a huge growing acceptance of complete equal marriage rights for 
gays. It's outrageous that it isn't in effect already.

[FairfieldLife] Re: not such a good idea to post this here



   you are inviting the most dedicated trouble makers to cause
   a problem when you post these things in this forum
  
  Not such a good idea to read posts by anyone
  so stupid or so anxious to slam someone that he
  doesn't indicate what post he is referring to. :-)
 
Vaj wrote:
 Those crazy dissociating TMers!

Let's keep in mind that John, Barry, and Vaj ARE the TMO.
They are supposedly the spiritual teachers on this forum.

They each have paid their dues, and then some. So, it's
not surprising that the TMer teachers are crazy trouble 
makers that want to interfere with the free flow of 
information. 

They say they aren't a part of that org anymore, but I 
sometimes wonder if they're still on the TMO payroll, 
going around initiating people in the name of the 
Maharishi. I wonder what happens to all the money?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can group meditation bring World Peace? John Hagelin explains

2009-11-04 Thread Hugo



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote:

 Absolutely.
 
 Jai Adi Shankara,
 -D in FF
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVFa6Wtuxu8
 


John Hagelin - There is such a radiated feeling of peace 
that people wake up and say: I'm not going to kill anyone 
today

Or, in the case of the guy who went on a killing spree during
the Washington study -  I'm going to kill *lots* of people 
today!

They are drawing targets around arrows.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gay marriage repealed in Maine




Rick Archer:
  As Jessie Ventura said on Larry King last night, 
  people shouldn't be allowed to vote on civil rights 
  issues. Taking this to it's logical extreme, some 
  states would reinstitute slavery.
 
Here's proof positive that Jesse Ventura is a left-wing 
nut case! 

John wrote: 
 All the signs point to a huge growing acceptance of 
 complete equal marriage rights for gays...

Apparently most Democrats are opposed to same-sex 
marriages. 

Bill Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act. Hillary 
probably believes that marriage should be between a man 
and a woman - it's the law in most states. But if gay 
marriage is legalized, why not legalize polyandry or 
polygamy? Why should the gays and the lesbians get equal 
rights when women can't even get equal rights?

With the repeal of the same-sex marriage law, Maine 
became the 31st state to reject same-sex marriage at the 
ballot box... 

Read more:

'Maine Voters Repeal Law Allowing Gay Marriage'
Bt Abby Goodnough
New York Times, November 4, 2009
http://tinyurl.com/yll3am6

'Obama Stays Mum'
Posted by Andrew Sullivan
Atlantic, November 3, 2009
http://tinyurl.com/ygkdyje

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is CC flat suffering?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
snip
 It has been my experience along the spiritual
 path -- both in the TMO and in other organi-
 zations -- that those who are impressed by 
 people who can talk the talk of spiritual
 experience and enlightenment are those who
 have never had those experiences themselves.
 Their appreciation of the people with a con-
 vincing intellectual rap is a form of 
 spiritual voyeurism.

A bit of confirmation bias here, perhaps?

 One of the reasons I liked Gangaji when I
 met her is that we shared a good laugh at 
 the very *concept* of those who believe that
 they intellectually understand Advaita, or
 even that it *can* be intellectually under-
 stood. Do you understand the taste of a
 tangerine if you have never tasted one? Of
 course not. And yet we see people claiming
 that they understand Advaita when they have
 never had a realization experience themselves.
 Laughable.
 
 On the other hand, if who is being talked 
 about in this thread is Michael Dean Goodman
 (I've read only your contributions, Doug),

...Those who still cling to the idea that their
individuality (individual intellect) can guide them
to the goal of realization, of remembering, of waking
up again to Reality [are] sure that they don't need a
guide on the path, don't need to surrender control,
don't need to ask for help, and don't need to embrace
their intellect's incompetence and impotence to handle
the job.

They are sure that their relative, finite intellect,
bound in the world of space and time, can grok and
master infinity, the field without boundaries, far
beyond the ken of the relative intellect. That is
delusion, that is arrogance of the deepest kind, that
is the very essence of ignorance. Their individual
ego/intellect has convinced them to trust it (not
only to trust it, but to actually believe that they
ARE it), and to never entertain the idea that the
ego/intellect's assertion of its importance and
ability to guide them back home IS ITSELF THE
VERY CRUX OF THE PROBLEM, the very core of the
ignorance.

--Michael Dean Goodman, post 90540

Hilarious. Poor Barry.

Of course, if Barry had read what I said pointing out
how Michael consistently cites the intellect's
incompetence to grasp nonduality, or read Michael's
posts themselves, he'd have found some other
opportunity for a putdown, but he'd have had to work
a little harder. Much easier to construct straw men
when you don't know what you're generating them to
attempt to fight.

The impotent, incompetent intellect is bad enough.
When the intellect is not only impotent and 
incompetent but also profoundly dishonest in its
expressions, the mess it creates is obvious to
everyone except the person whose intellect it is.

The really funny thing is that if Barry could ever
muster the intestinal fortitude to read Michael's
posts, he'd find that on many points he's been
echoing what they say (albeit without Michael's
clarity).

If he were to read them, however, he'd find it
necessary to say something entirely different. ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gay marriage repealed in Maine

  It's outrageous that it isn't in effect already.
 
Vaj wrote:
 It already WAS in effect here. But out-of-state 
 Christian right-wing groups poured millions into 
 this campaign.
 
Don't you just hate those Catholics for opposing 
gay marriage! Gawd, I feel sorry for John Manning,
living down there in Brazil with all those people.

This just outrageous - they should be banned and 
their forms of worship should be made illegal. And 
all the Bishops should be put in the state insane 
asylum. 

The Catholic Church was a leading supporter of 
the repeal campaign...

'Maine Voters Repeal Law Allowing Gay Marriage'
Bt Abby Goodnough
New York Times, November 4, 2009
http://tinyurl.com/yll3am6

 Their attack ads claim that similar laws have 
 been defeated is 30 states.
 
 It's time to outlaw the worship of Republican 
 Jesus, unless practiced under psychiatric 
 supervision. Between the endless militarism and  
 lack of appreciation for women's rights, gays, 
 lesbians, the arts and basic ecology they're just 
 another dangerous hate group that are destroying 
 this planet.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is CC flat suffering?

2009-11-04 Thread Hugo



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote:
 
  Doesn't account for a-Dharmic acts on the part of
  Self-Realized people; such as child molestations and
  thievery.
 
 I'm on a Michael Dean Goodman kick. Here's a post
 of his from April 2003 that addresses the same
 issue from a different angle. His remarks about
 God are a little too anthropomorphic for me, 
 but the basic principles can also be understood
 in the abstract.
 
 =
 
  Gary Smith garys@ wrote:
 
  Hi All,
 
  I'd like some feedback on this piece I just finished writing.
 
  Thanks.
 
  God's Will
  by Gary Douglas Smith
 
  There is a widely held belief in the New Age and spiritual community that
  this war with Iraq is God's Will. The thinking goes that because the war
  is occurring, it is God's will because nothing can occur that God does not
  want to occur. If this war was not God's will, it would not be happening.
 
 If things can happen that are not God's will, then God is no longer
 omnipotent. Then we have to ask whose will is making these bad
 things happen? Whose will is stronger than God's? Interesting
 line of thought; where does it lead if you actually pursue it? Is
 it the devil's will? Or the will(s) of individual ego(s)? In either
 case, we postulate some existence(s) outside of, and more powerful
 than, our God's will.
 
 Then there must be a bigger God that created both this God-of-light
 and this devil-of-darkness, or created this God of limited power and
 these individual free-willed egos. It would be worthwhile getting
 to know this higher God who created both the good and the bad side
 that we see battling here in your world view.
 
  This is patently untrue. God's will is for His children to live in a
  peaceful, just, fair and loving world. God's will is for humanity to end
  starvation, to heal the suffering, to share resources, and for human
  beings to love one another.
 
 If this is God's will, and God is omnipotent, how come God doesn't
 just create a garden of eden, with perfect pleasure, absence of
 all suffering, eternal life (absence of death), etc.? If God's
 will is as you state, how come God doesn't get his will instantly?
 Who or what is so powerful that he/it obstructs God's deepest desires?
 Does God need to meditate more, or do more purifying activity/penance,
 or stop using his south entrance, or go to the ayurvedic clinic for
 more panchakarma, or get some family yagyas done - so that his ability
 to manifest his desires (his ritam abilities, or his siddhi abilities),
 gets more developed? Should we take up a fund to sponsor God to go on
 the purusha program so that God can get better and stronger?
 
  Not everything that happens on planet Earth is God's will. God does not
  endorse child molestation, spousal abuse, rape, violence, war, malnu-
  trition, poverty, pollution, corporate crime and other evils. This does
  not mean that God does not love the evildoer, but He certainly does not
  support their behavior.
 
 If he doesn't, just who does? Where does this half of life come from?
 Whose power, energy, intelligence does all activity this draw upon?
 
  For instance, it is widely understood that killing is wrong and immoral.
  This is clearly stated in every major religion the world over. Yet some
  people kill. This does not make it God's will that these people kill or
  that their victims be killed. People who kill are frighteningly disasso-
  ciated from their spirit, and God's will is for those individuals to heal
  and to forgive, not kill.
 
 Krishna came and caused the death of millions of people - wiping the
 entire Kshatriya race off the face of the earth. Rama engaged in a
 huge war - killing many. God ultimately kills every single person's
 body; we all die after a relatively short life-span.
 
 God says, in the Bhagavad Gita: Unfathomable is course of action...
 even the wise are bewildered. So it's difficult to know the full
 effect of any action - whether apparently good or apparently bad.
 
  The reason that this war is happening is because humanity has become
  completely disconnected from its own humanity, its spirit. We
  have forgotten who we are and who God is. We have given our power to
  the government, to advertisers, to corporations, to banks, to teachers, to
  doctors, to pollsters, to the media, to the military.
 
 Very true! And all that is part of God's will, God's soap-opera of
 creation, part of the eternal struggle where sometimes purity rises
 higher and sometimes impurity rises higher. We still live in an age
 where impurity has risen very high. And impurity is also very agi-
 tated by the eviction notice that it has been served, as the trend
 of time takes a dramatic shift. So we are seeing its temper tantrum
 as it loses its grip on the times.
 
  [big snip]
 
  My wish is for God's will to be done.
 
 Gary, you asked for feedback, so I will respectfully

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is CC flat suffering?




  Their appreciation of the people with a con-
  vincing intellectual rap is a form of 
  spiritual voyeurism.
 
Judy wrote:
 Of course, if Barry had read what I said pointing 
 out how Michael consistently cites the intellect's
 incompetence to grasp nonduality...

The idea of the One isn't hard to understand - in 
fact, it's dirt simple. Way more simple than duality 
metaphysics or plurality. Anyone can understand how 
the Utlitmate Realty is One Reality, not two. But, 
it's a real stretch to understand how there could be 
two or more Ultimate Realities - it's a contradiction 
in terms.

There is One Reality, not two - it only appears to be 
two, due to ignorance. Once you experience the Absolute, 
you immediately understand the way things really are. 
There's no deep intellectual understanding needed in 
order to understand the simple words of a Ramana 
Maharshi. 

All you have to do is take the direct path - just be 
aware of being aware. Just Be. It's that simple.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is CC flat suffering?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:

 God, what a load of drivel. I can't believe I persisted to the
 end. 

Hint: Message View reading. 

1. See the drivel coming up. (You can recognize 
it simply by noticing who posted it.)

2. Skip the drivel.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is CC flat suffering?



  God, what a load of drivel. I can't believe I 
  persisted to the end... 
 
TurquoiseB wrote:
 Hint: Message View reading. 
 
 1. See the drivel coming up. (You can recognize 
 it simply by noticing who posted it.)
 
 2. Skip the drivel.

Obviously Hugo is a religious person and you are
a spiritual person - you're both spiritual teachers, 
right? According to your logic, then you ARE the 
drivel in the Message View. You two sound really 
scared of reading anything religious or spiritual 
- so I guess you're just a bundle of contradictions, 
reading drivel. But why are you attempting to then
interfere with the free flow of information? Does
anybody care what Hugo and Barry think about our
religion or spiritual path?

[FairfieldLife] Party Over? Tea Baggers Losing Strength


Party Over? Tea Baggers Losing Strength


  [hoffman]


Defeated Republican
Doug Hoffman


  The tea baggers are starting to remind me of my ex-mother-in-law,
who always used her bags at least twice. No matter how long you let it
steep, the product is weak and watery. The same could be said for trying
to recycle the grassroots angst of the tea baggers. Reusing those same
patsies over and over, as the astroturf string-pullers are doing, is
beginning to lose its potency.

Witness the the defeat of Conservate Party candidate Doug Hoffman in New
York and the fizzle of Operation House Call
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2009/11/tea-party-down , an effort led
by Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R-Minn.). It was to begin at 1:30 p.m.
Tuesday, Nov. 3, lobbying 13 lawmakers with phone calls, emails, and
faxes protesting their plan to produce meaningful health care reform.

a quick survey of some of the 13 targeted senators' offices
suggests that the attack has barely registered on the Hill.
Kimberly Hunter, a spokeswoman for Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) says that at a
little after 3:30 on Tuesday, her office hadn't seen any uptick in
calls or visits. If the tea partiers do call, she adds, We're
happy to listen to their opinions. Likewise, a spokesman for Sen.
Mark Warner (D-Va.), another target on the patriots' list, says the
office has fielded a few calls from people saying they are coming to
Thursday's press conferencebut overall the volume has been
nothing unusual.

As of Tuesday afternoon, the official tea party website indicated that
only 25 patriots were on hand for Operation House Call.

While the press is busy thinking of new ways to proclaim the two
Republican victories in this year's governors' races a
referendum on Obama, there is less focus on the referendum on Sarah
Palin and the far, far rightwing that took place in New York's
District 23 race. The scary-looking Conservative Party candidate Doug
Hoffman was defeated by a Democrat, despite people like Palin and Fred
Thompson lending their famous support, and despite Republicans holding
that seat since it was created 16 years ago in 1993.

  [teasponsors]


The big bucks continue to flow to the tea party movement but it might
have to morph into something that appeals to people with higher than
grade school reading skills if it has a future. Sites like
DontKillGrandma.com http://www.dontkillgrandma.com/  can only keep
manipulating the little people for so long. The site is professionally
produced by FreedomWorks, headed by lobbyist Dick Armey, who appeared on
the campaign stump with Hoffman. Other aligned groups are equally
well-funded.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/30219673/the_lie_machine/3

Americans for Prosperity, which has taken the lead in the current fight
against reform, is a front group for oil billionaires David and Charles
Koch, co-owners of the world's largest private oil and gas
conglomerate.

On the other hand, as the deaths by gunshot of the gun-totin' soccer
mom attest (and a local killing that looks pro-gun related), the
frontline little folks might be their own worst enemies. As one of the
patriots on DontKillGrandma suggested, Can we hold sit-ins across
the country in the middle of America's busiest highways. That might
get their attention. Brilliant idea! The tea baggers should be gone
in no time with tactics like that.

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/11/04/party-over-tea-baggers-losing-st\
rength/
  http://www.pensitoreview.com/category/sections/news/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Party Over? Tea Baggers Losing Strength



John wrote:
 Party Over? Tea Baggers Losing Strength
 
The three races marked the first major elections 
since the country plunged into the worst recession 
in decades, and basic economic issues  job losses, 
foreclosures, taxes  were front and center...

Read more:

'G.O.P. Wins Two Key Governors' Races; Bloomberg 
Prevails in a Close Contest'
By David M. Halbfinger and Ian Urbina
New York Times, November 4, 2009
http://tinyurl.com/yg359vj

Congresswoman Michele Bachmann is teaming up 
with Mark Levin and others to bring the town halls 
to Washington on Thursday, day after tomorrow, to 
protest the Democrats' intended takeover of the 
health care industry...

Read more:

Posted by John Hindraker
Powerline, November 4, 2009
http://tinyurl.com/yjw6ly4

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is CC flat suffering?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:
megasnip
 God, what a load of drivel. I can't believe I persisted
 to the end. What is it about religious people that they
 can't realise they are just projecting superstitions at
 life's hassles We're at war! God must hate us! No,
 God moves in mysterious ways!

Wow, you're more of a literalist than I realized. You
boggled so violently at the term God--despite my
caveat at the top--that you completely misread what 
Michael was saying. You blocked it out, in fact, and
substituted stuff you resent about religion, which
wasn't what he was talking about *at all*.

He's not religious in any sense the vast majority of
religionists would recognize. He was making an argument
that would shock and appall them, pointing out the
contradictions in their notion of God.

I figured readers here would be smart enough to see
that he framed his argument in terms of God because
that's how the question he was responding to had been
phrased. But in the process, he *demolished* the
standard notion, *demolished* the idea of God as pure
goodness, *demolished* the conviction that we must
fight evil because God doesn't like it, *demolished*
the imperative to feel guilty about our badness.

Just the sort of thing I should think you'd be 
cheering for.

And what you missed utterly was that he was using
God as a metaphor for the Self.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is CC flat suffering?

Not surprising that Barry is desperate to keep
folks from reading Michael's (and my) posts, to
censor ideas he finds threatening. Why, some
might come to question *his* ideas, maybe even
gasp conclude he doesn't have all the answers.
Nothing is more terrifying to Barry.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote:
 
  God, what a load of drivel. I can't believe I persisted to the
  end. 
 
 Hint: Message View reading. 
 
 1. See the drivel coming up. (You can recognize 
 it simply by noticing who posted it.)
 
 2. Skip the drivel.

[FairfieldLife] Murder with aggressive genes gets reduced sentence

2009-11-04 Thread It's just a ride

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18098-murderer-with-aggression-genes-gets-sentence-cut.html
http://tinyurl.com/yjl6voe

A judge's decision to reduce a killer's sentence because he has
genetic mutations linked to violence raises a thorny question – can
your genes ever absolve you of responsibility for a particular act?

In 2007, Abdelmalek Bayout admitted to stabbing and killing a man and
received a sentenced of 9 years and 2 months. Last week, Nature
reported that Pier Valerio Reinotti, an appeal court judge in Trieste,
Italy, cut Bayout's sentence by a year after finding out he has gene
variants linked to aggression. Leaving aside the question of whether
this link is well enough understood to justify Reinotti's decision,
should genes ever be considered a legitimate defence?

No, says Nita Farahany, a legal scholar at Vanderbilt University in
Nashville, Tennessee, who tracks the use of behavioural genetics in
the courtroom. She says genes may provide a guide as to how someone is
likely to behave, but they will never tell us why they committed a
specific act. It doesn't tell us why they did the thing they did and
that's what criminal cases are ultimately interested in.

What's more, the gene argument seems to cut both ways. Reinotti viewed
Bayout's genes as mitigating his crime, but Farahany has noticed that
US courts are increasingly using genes in evidence for the
prosecution. It's just as likely to be used against a criminal
defendant as for, she says. People don't recognise the double-edged
potential of this evidence.

Even if technological advances allow researchers to better explain how
genes and environment influence violent behaviour, courts may not take
notice, says Terrie Moffitt, a geneticist at King's College London and
Duke University in Durham, North Carolina, whose previous work
influenced the Italian court's decision.

Links between inherited genes, environment and violence are already
bolstered by family histories and twin studies, she says. Everything
we know about family history still doesn't diminish our own
responsibility for how we make choices.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is CC flat suffering?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote:

  almost 100 posts. As far as I can
  tell, the ones I've read are entirely consistent with
  what MMY taught, a sort of refresher course on the
  finer points.
  
  I've always found his explanations brilliantly clear.
  Whether he experientially walks his talk, I have no
  idea, but he sure has the talking part down.
 
 Yea, but oh that character of the walk has given us all a
 lot to talk about as he's gone down the path.

Wrong walk. Read what I wrote again, please.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is CC flat suffering?



On Nov 4, 2009, at 11:13 AM, Hugo wrote:


God, what a load of drivel. I can't believe I persisted to the
end. What is it about religious people that they can't realise
they are just projecting superstitions at life's hassles We're
at war! God must hate us! No, God moves in mysterious ways!


The thing I enjoy the most about reading a MDG sermon is how well he  
interprets and presents what I once believed, with equal  
conviction...but when I was in my 20's. I'm 50 now, and as I read  
this I just can't fathom how, as I've grown, I could have remained in  
that old mindset of conditioned Marshy-think for so long! It seems  
some people who took the TM teacher role as something actually  
important or perhaps they consciously decided to be indoctrinated at  
MIU, got stuck there. Whatever the case, it's an interesting blast  
from the past to read, but in a sad sort of way, that some still  
cling to such rationalizations.

[FairfieldLife] The Ashram of Purushas Urs Stroebel and Pierre Bairle, Anamay Ashram

2009-11-04 Thread nablusoss1008


From Veda Tradition Himalaya, the Ashram of Urs and Pierre

Students chant Ayurveda

Enjoy !

http://tinyurl.com/yhvjl7k http://tinyurl.com/yhvjl7k



This was recorded in a pandit school, it was used by Pan Nalin for his
documentary, Ayurveda, Art of Being. (Try to see the movie, very
beautiful documentary, and to get the CD of the whole sound track.)

The chant is an invocation to Adi Deva (Vishnu), the First Deva, and to
Rudra (Shiva), the Lord of all the forces of nature that bring health,
healing, the lord of all the medicinal plants, the Lord of immortality.

Visit Veda Tradition Himalaya at: http://vedatradition.ning.com
http://vedatradition.ning.com

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is CC flat suffering?

2009-11-04 Thread PaliGap



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:


[snip]
 if Barry could ever [snip] read Michael's posts, 
 he'd find that on many points he's been echoing 
 what they say 
[snip]

True that.

[FairfieldLife] Texas on the Brink - Just Where Does Rick Perry's Texas Rank?


Texas on the Brink - Just Where Does Rick Perry's Texas Rank?by Jeff
Musall

  When Texas governor Rick Perry banters about Texas seceding from
the Union, some write it off as political theater-speak, some dismiss it
as ludicrous, and some take it to heart.

There is an idealized view of Texas out there, given over to the
everything big myth, imagining a wide-open Texas, full of opportunity
for all of it's citizenry. But just what does living in a near-permanent
red state get you?

A Texas state senator from El Paso has for the past few years compiled a
report called Texas on the Brink. It details how Texas ranks
nationally in several key areas. What does it point to? If Texas did
secede, it might soon be ranked as a failed state.

Following are some of the highlights from the report.

You get what you pay for - Texas ranks 49th in revenues collected per
capita, and 50th in revenues spent.

The state also ranks 44th on tax progressivity, meaning although it
collects less taxes overall, more of a share comes from the working
class.

Texas comes in dead last (50th) in percent of population over 25 who
have a high school diploma. 46th in SAT scores, and 49th in teacher pay.
But hey, the Texas school board has ordered that all schools teach the
bible in the upcoming school year!

How does the family do in the Lone Star State?

Texas ranks last in the percentage of people without medical insurance.
It also ranks dead last in the number of covered children, 49th in level
of payments for the Women and Infant Children (WIC) program, but 1st in
the number of teenage births.

Texas ranks 3rd in number of people living in poverty and 50th in
homeowners insurance affordability.

And hey, Texan politicians come 3rd as to number of convicted public
officials! Dead last in voter turnout, though. First in executions and
2nd in rate of incarceration only manage to get Texas up to 18th in
murder rate.

What about the environment? Air pollution emissions, CO2 emissions,
amount of volatile organic compounds released into the air, amount of
toxic chemicals released into water, amount of carcinogens released into
the air - all number one!

Texas ranks 46th in hourly earnings for manufacturing workers, 47th for
union membership, and 48th in worker's compensation benefits paid per
covered worker. Don't get hurt at work in Texas, eh?

There are quite a few more numbers, but you get the point. Texas under
Rick Perry, and George Bush before him, has marched boldly in reverse.

If Texas did secede, it would most likely solve it's illegal immigration
problem. Texans might even pour across the borders to get out!

http://snipurl.com/t23lv   [www_associatedcontent_com]

Full report [pdf]:
http://shapleigh.org/system/reporting_document/file/255/Texas_on_the_Bri\
nk_2009_website_final.pdf

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gay marriage repealed in Maine



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:

 As Jessie Ventura said on Larry King last night, people shouldn't be allowed 
 to vote on civil rights issues. Taking this to it's logical extreme, some 
 states would reinstitute slavery.



Bad analogy, Rick.

What holds the tyranny of the majority in check is the Bill of Rights.  If 
gay marriage -- unlike the alleged constitutional right to abortion -- was 
unfairly shot down by a referendum as it was last night in Maine, then the Bill 
of Rights through the court process would strike the law down, even if it 
resulted from the will of the people through a referendum.  Such an 
anti-gay-marriage law would be deemed unconstitutional.

That's why the proponents of gay marriage in California don't say: Oh, we'll 
just appeal to the Supreme Court.  You see, unlike slavery, an 
anti-gay-marriage law won't get overturned by the courts.

A law or referendum seeking to reinstitute slavery would.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gay marriage repealed in Maine



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  As Jessie Ventura said on Larry King last night, people shouldn't be 
  allowed to vote on civil rights issues. Taking this to it's logical 
  extreme, some states would reinstitute slavery.
 
 
 
 The issue inevitably will end up being decided by the US Supreme Court. All 
 the signs point to a huge growing acceptance of complete equal marriage 
 rights for gays. It's outrageous that it isn't in effect already.



Why is it outrageous?

Nothing stops ANY gay couple from marrying ANYWHERE in the U.S.  What is NOT 
legal is for gays to have parity in law. And this effects things like Social 
Security, wills, etc.

But almost everything that is not allowed to gays through law that is allowed 
for hetero couples is available to gays through other means: Living Trusts, 
Living Wills, Powers of attorney, Writing a will (as opposed to NOT writing one 
and then having the hetero-based law imposed upon the estate).

90% of the problems gays have because of gay marriage not being legal can be 
overcome through these other means.

Wills are a case in point.  A large majority of people die intestate; that 
means, they die without a written will.  Well, in all 50 states (and this is 
true everywhere in the world), if you die without a will that you have made 
yourself, one will be imposed upon you by statute.  And it varies from state to 
state, but essentially the statute will say something to the effect that: your 
spouse gets 100% or 50% of your estate and your children get such and such, 
etc.  Well, no provision is made for gay partners by statute BUT THIS CAN BE 
OVERCOME IF THE GAY COUPLE BOTHER TO ACTUALLY WRITE A WILL AND BY DOING SO CAN 
BYPASS THE STATUTE.

Ironically, it is things such as Social Security -- the largest government 
entitlement on the face of the Earth -- that one cannot bypass with one's own 
edict.  So the problem at least in this case is big, fat, fucking intrusive 
government doing something -- Social Security -- that they had no fucking 
business doing in the first place.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gay marriage repealed in Maine



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Nov 4, 2009, at 10:21 AM, do.rflex wrote:
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
  
   As Jessie Ventura said on Larry King last night, people shouldn't  
  be allowed to vote on civil rights issues. Taking this to it's  
  logical extreme, some states would reinstitute slavery.
  
 
  The issue inevitably will end up being decided by the US Supreme  
  Court. All the signs point to a huge growing acceptance of complete  
  equal marriage rights for gays. It's outrageous that it isn't in  
  effect already.
 
 
 It already WAS in effect here. But out-of-state Christian right-wing  
 groups poured millions into this campaign.




...mainly by the Mormons who are more than justified than anyone else to have 
opposed gay marriage.

As a condition of entering as a state, Utah (virtually controlled then as now 
by Mormons) had to give up polygamy which was legal then in Utah (they also had 
to give up women's suffrage which the rest of the U.S. didn't allow but that's 
another story that this so-called right wing group had imposed upon them).

So if I were a Mormon I'd think: hey, this is unfair; why do the gays get to 
have marriage when we don't get to have OUR form of marriage?

So if gays get to have marriage it is only fair that the Mormons get their 
polygamy legalized, too.  And there is MUCH MORE historical, legal, and 
traditional justifications for polygamy being allowed than gay marriage.

So tell me, Vaj, do you support polygamous marriage, too?

Or are you intolerant towards others and are just for gay marriage?

Rick, others?  Please go on record with your tolerance: do you support 
polygamous marriage along with gay marriage?






 
 Their attack ads claim that similar laws have been defeated is 30  
 states.
 
 It's time to outlaw the worship of Republican Jesus, unless practiced  
 under psychiatric supervision. Between the endless militarism and  
 lack of appreciation for women's rights, gays, lesbians, the arts and  
 basic ecology they're just another dangerous hate group that are  
 destroying this planet.
 
 ï¿¼

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is CC flat suffering?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 On Nov 4, 2009, at 11:13 AM, Hugo wrote:
 
  God, what a load of drivel. I can't believe I persisted to the
  end. What is it about religious people that they can't realise
  they are just projecting superstitions at life's hassles We're
  at war! God must hate us! No, God moves in mysterious ways!
 
 The thing I enjoy the most about reading a MDG sermon is how 
 well he  interprets and presents what I once believed, with equal  
 conviction...but when I was in my 20's. I'm 50 now, and as I read  
 this I just can't fathom how, as I've grown, I could have remained 
 in that old mindset of conditioned Marshy-think for so long! 

I never bother to read anything he posts here
directly, let alone anyone reposted by anyone
on my no fly list. As you say so well, I have
learned a few things over the years. :-)

The thing that amazes me is how anyone who has
read here how he conducts his real life and then
reads the self-serving crap he puts at the end
of his posts as a sig can believe a word he
says. It's like someone listening to Hagelin or
Bevan give a sermon about marital fidelity and
celibacy, given what we know of their history,
and actually believing it. :-)

I think it's desperation; the TBs who cling to
their own beliefs cling equally to anyone who 
can parrot them even better than they can.

I also think that some of it is that many of 
them bought into the There is nothing new under
the sun bullshit, and have come to believe that
finding new ways to parrot stuff that was parroted
to them is a form of creativity or intellectual
activity. Then again, at least one chose as a 
profession grading other people's papers, because 
she's incapable of writing her own. Thus she might 
tend to like people who do the same thing with 
Maharishi's parroting of others' creativity.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gay marriage repealed in Maine

2009-11-04 Thread jpgillam

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk wrote:

 
 Rick, others?  Please go on record with 
 your tolerance: do you support polygamous 
 marriage along with gay marriage?

This isn't an answer to your question, but 
a related question on the same topic from a 
different perspective: 

The Bible condones polygamy. Why, then, do 
conservative religionists not espouse, embrace 
and work to promote polygamy?

Serious question. Not trying to be a smart-ass. 
(It comes effortlessly.)

[FairfieldLife] Government-backed project to teach 1.5m schoolchildren in Rio de Janeiro

2009-11-04 Thread Dick Mays


Dear Governors in South Africa,
Below is Dr Peter Swaní's summary of the 
Maharishiís Global Family Chat of 3 November, 
covering this inspiring project in one of the 
world's largest cities (12m population).

Note: anyone can subscribe (free) to receive the daily summary of the Chat.
Jai Guru Dev,
Nigel
--
Nigel Kahn
021-685-1647;  
mailto:communicat...@invinciblesouthafrica.org 
communicat...@invinciblesouthafrica.org

Director of Communication , Invincible South Africa


3 November

Raja Luis described the sweet, natural feeling of 
the state government of Rio de Janeiro's 
inauguration of its project for 1.5 million 
students to receive Consciousness-based 
Education. The Secretary for Education was there 
in support, and many top artists told of their 
good experience with TM, and with a feeling of 
parental guidance they encouraged the fortunate 
students to practice regularly. David Lynch was 
very inspired with this responsible feeling from 
the artists, and has invited them all to be on 
the board of the David Lynch Foundation for 
Brazil. The Secretary for Education inspired the 
artists to participate in a blog on the 
government website where the students will be 
able to interact with their celebrity heroes 
about TM.


This is a step the likes of which has never been 
seen before: a government-funded programme for 
the entire state of a major world city, evolving 
very naturally like a family undertaking on the 
basis of the coherence that has been created in 
the region.


Strongly recommended for everyone to watch this presentation by Raja Luis.

Maharishi's Global Family Chat Archives   
http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/gfc-archive.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gay marriage repealed in Maine



On Nov 4, 2009, at 1:07 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:

So if gays get to have marriage it is only fair that the Mormons  
get their polygamy legalized, too. And there is MUCH MORE  
historical, legal, and traditional justifications for polygamy  
being allowed than gay marriage.


So tell me, Vaj, do you support polygamous marriage, too?



Haven't really thought about it much. I tend to see monogamy as an  
artifact of monotheism. It's nothing set in stone (no pun intended).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is CC flat suffering?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
snip
  The thing I enjoy the most about reading a MDG sermon is how 
  well he  interprets and presents what I once believed, with 
  equal conviction...but when I was in my 20's. I'm 50 now,
  and as I read this I just can't fathom how, as I've grown, I 
  could have remained in that old mindset of conditioned Marshy-
  think for so long! 

Of course, the more you read of Michael's posts,
the more obvious it becomes what utter bullsh*t
the above is.

 I never bother to read anything he posts here
 directly, let alone anyone reposted by anyone
 on my no fly list. As you say so well, I have
 learned a few things over the years. :-)

But not, apparently, that one isn't in a position
to comment on what someone writes if one doesn't
read it.

snip
 I also think that some of it is that many of 
 them bought into the There is nothing new under
 the sun bullshit, and have come to believe that
 finding new ways to parrot stuff that was parroted
 to them is a form of creativity or intellectual
 activity.

Sez Barry, who has been finding new ways to say the
same things on the same half-dozen topics ever since
I started reading his posts in 1994.

cackle

 Then again, at least one chose as a 
 profession grading other people's papers,

Nope, I've never graded anyone's paper. It seems
Barry has felt graded whenever an editor has helped
him improve his writing. Good writers, in contrast,
tend to be eager for such assistance; they left 
school behind a long time ago. In his mind, Barry's
still there, chafing frantically at the thought
that he might not be in total control.

 because she's incapable of writing her own. Thus
 she might tend to like people who do the same thing
 with Maharishi's parroting of others' creativity.

For example, if I were editing Barry's post, I'd
point out that this last makes no sense in terms of
the previous sentence and help him sort out whatever
it was he was trying to convey...

That's my 50th. See you later, all.

[FairfieldLife] Throwaway post

Thrown away because I can. I, after all, have
35 more of them left this week, even including
this one. That may be because I don't piss away 
most of my posts every week trying to demonize
someone who isn't even reading my posts.  :-)

How pathetic and desperate for attention must 
someone be if she believes that the only way 
she can get anyone to reply to her is by 
insulting them into doing so?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Gay marriage repealed in Maine SLAVERY TAX the Successful

2009-11-04 Thread WLeed3


Originally the federal constitution allowed but land owners to vote! WOW!  

 That would be great cut taxes on property  lots more I feel.

Also it did not allow direct taxation of income or property!


-Original Message-
From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Nov 4, 2009 9:29 am
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Gay marriage repealed in Maine






As Jessie Ventura said on Larry King last night, people shouldn't be allowed to 
vote on civil rights issues. Taking this to it's logical extreme, some states 
would reinstitute slavery.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Throwaway post



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 Thrown away because I can. I, after all, have
 35 more of them left this week, even including
 this one. That may be because I don't piss away 
 most of my posts every week trying to demonize
 someone who isn't even reading my posts.  :-)
 
 How pathetic and desperate for attention must 
 someone be if she believes that the only way 
 she can get anyone to reply to her is by 
 insulting them into doing so?



I suspect that she isn't that so identified with the importance of posting here 
on FFL that she is too concerned about carefully doling out her posts as you 
seem to be.

I can't speak for Judy but her attitude seems to be: hell, I'll post as I see 
fit, do my 50, and then move on to some other forum on the internet to post my 
thoughts.

You, Barry, are holding on to your 50 posts like it is life itself.

Get a life.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is CC flat suffering?

TurquoiseB wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
   
 On Nov 4, 2009, at 11:13 AM, Hugo wrote:
 
 God, what a load of drivel. I can't believe I persisted to the
 end. What is it about religious people that they can't realise
 they are just projecting superstitions at life's hassles We're
 at war! God must hate us! No, God moves in mysterious ways!
   
 The thing I enjoy the most about reading a MDG sermon is how 
 well he  interprets and presents what I once believed, with equal  
 conviction...but when I was in my 20's. I'm 50 now, and as I read  
 this I just can't fathom how, as I've grown, I could have remained 
 in that old mindset of conditioned Marshy-think for so long! 
 

 I never bother to read anything he posts here
 directly, let alone anyone reposted by anyone
 on my no fly list. As you say so well, I have
 learned a few things over the years. :-)

I don't bother either.  He's just one of the many pseudo-tantrics that 
have set up shop without having EVER really studied with a tantric master.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gay marriage repealed in Maine

Vaj wrote:
 On Nov 4, 2009, at 10:21 AM, do.rflex wrote:

 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, 
  Rick Archer r...@... wrote:
  
   As Jessie Ventura said on Larry King last night, people shouldn't be 
   allowed to vote on civil rights issues. Taking this to it's logical 
   extreme, some states would reinstitute slavery.
  
 
  The issue inevitably will end up being decided by the US Supreme Court. All 
  the signs point to a huge growing acceptance of complete equal marriage 
  rights 
  for gays. It's outrageous that it isn't in effect already.


 It already WAS in effect here. But out-of-state Christian right-wing groups 
 poured millions into this campaign.

 Their attack ads claim that similar laws have been defeated is 30 states.

 It's time to outlaw the worship of Republican Jesus, unless practiced under 
 psychiatric supervision. Between the endless militarism and lack of 
 appreciation 
 for women's rights, gays, lesbians, the arts and basic ecology they're just 
 another dangerous hate group that are destroying this planet. 

How was the referendum worded?  Was it one of these where you might 
think you were voting for gay marriage but really you were voting 
against it?  These groups have a sneaky way of wording their referendums 
that way.   I think most people in California could care less whether 
gays marry or not but might have accidentally voted for Prop 8 thinking 
they were voting for gay marriage.  How does it really effect religious 
junkies anyway other than their neo-fascist way of wanting to put their 
ideology in your face?  If they try that around me they get bitch 
slapped.  ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is CC flat suffering?

2009-11-04 Thread PaliGap



Re:  MDG's comments on the nature of the Absolute v 
Relative and the reality and nature of Evil.

 On Nov 4, 2009, at 11:13 AM, Hugo wrote:

 God, what a load of drivel. I can't believe I 
 persisted to the end. What is it about
 religious people that they can't realise
 they are just projecting superstitions at 
 life's hassles We're at war! God must hate 
 us! No, God moves in mysterious ways!

God, what a load of drivel. What is it about those 
philosophically naive, Scientistic triumphalists that 
they can't realise they are projecting their 
unconsidered epistemology when they seek to trash the 
problems that have puzzled all thinking people 
throughout time immemorial? 

* The problem of the one and the many
* The problem of evil
* The reality of abstract entities
* Necessity and contingency
* etc etc

Read all about! Definitive, final ^scientific^ 
solutions FREE in the next bumper Christmas edition of 
New Scientist!

I thought MDG's post fascinating. (Thanks Judy).

Leaving out talk of God, it points to the problem of 
the relationship between the One (the absolute) and 
the many (the relative).

This problem EITHER duz yer 'ead in  OR, frankly, 
you are incapable of reflective thought. 

For Vaj and Barry to suggest they've grown out of it 
is just so silly. And disingenuous.

In Barry's case (he's just being his beat-Zen master, 
naughty self and trying to pinch our nose), as Judy 
pointed out, much of what MDG says matches points that 
Barry makes himelf. Repeatedly. (Barry is exercised by 
MDG's accommodation issues - but why care tuppence 
about those?) 

Vaj of course, less self-aware, probably really DOES 
think he has ^evolved^ to a higher plane. Goodness.

So come on Vaj: It troubled Parmenides. It troubled 
Socrates. It troubled Hume, and Kant, and Heidegger, 
and so on, and so on. Rght down to little old me.

Come on - tell it how it is! 

What IS the relationship between the One and the Many? 
And what is evil  suffering? And why do same exist?

Answer here please:.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is CC flat suffering?

2009-11-04 Thread nablusoss1008



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created so very consciously by Rick Archer who thinks he did everyone a favour 
in doing so !





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gay marriage repealed in Maine



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote:

 Vaj wrote:
  On Nov 4, 2009, at 10:21 AM, do.rflex wrote:
 
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, 
   Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
   
As Jessie Ventura said on Larry King last night, people shouldn't be 
allowed to vote on civil rights issues. Taking this to it's logical 
extreme, some states would reinstitute slavery.
   
  
   The issue inevitably will end up being decided by the US Supreme Court. 
   All 
   the signs point to a huge growing acceptance of complete equal marriage 
   rights 
   for gays. It's outrageous that it isn't in effect already.
 
 
  It already WAS in effect here. But out-of-state Christian right-wing groups 
  poured millions into this campaign.
 
  Their attack ads claim that similar laws have been defeated is 30 states.
 
  It's time to outlaw the worship of Republican Jesus, unless practiced under 
  psychiatric supervision. Between the endless militarism and lack of 
  appreciation 
  for women's rights, gays, lesbians, the arts and basic ecology they're just 
  another dangerous hate group that are destroying this planet. 
 
 How was the referendum worded?  Was it one of these where you might 
 think you were voting for gay marriage but really you were voting 
 against it?  These groups have a sneaky way of wording their referendums 
 that way.   I think most people in California could care less whether 
 gays marry or not but might have accidentally voted for Prop 8 thinking 
 they were voting for gay marriage.  How does it really effect religious 
 junkies anyway other than their neo-fascist way of wanting to put their 
 ideology in your face?  If they try that around me they get bitch 
 slapped.  ;-)



...so I take it, Bhairitu, in your all-encompassing tolerance of differences 
and different lifestyles that you support legalizing polygamous marriages 
between consenting adults?

And if I haven't worded the above question too sneakily for you, I do expect an 
answer...

[FairfieldLife] The Quantum Pickup Line

The esoteric field of quantum mechanics has been
perverted over the years to sell everything from
New Age concepts (Transcendental Meditation, the
What The Bleep movie, etc.) to pets (My other
cat used to belong to Schroedinger), but last
Thursday was the first time I've ever seen it
being used to get laid.

In the American TV series FlashForward, the
plot device is that everyone on Earth passed out
for two minutes and seventeen seconds and glimpsed
a vision of their own future. Everyone has naturally
been somewhat hung up ever since on figuring out
how and why this happened.

So in this episode, one of the people who just might
have a clue is on a train bound for LA, and uses
quantum mechanics to sell an attractive blonde into
sharing his sleeper compartment:

Simon: I know what caused the FlashForward. [pause]
You don't believe me.

Blonde: [playing with her iPhone] Well of course I
do. The world's greatest mystery has been solved by
a boozer on a train bound for Los Angeles.

Simon: Can you connect to the Internet with that?
Real quick, do an image search for quantum physicist
genius. Go on...I'll wait. [sits down next to her]

Simon: Which popped up first -- me winning the Robert
Wilson Award, or the jaunty one of me holding the lab
goggles over my genitals? [visual of the iPhone shows
it's the latter]

Blonde: I'm sorry...I've just heard that line a hundred
times before.

Simon: You genuinely want to know? The FlashForwards
were caused by you. It's simple quantum mechanics really.
Whenever a heavenly body carries such an intense force
of attraction the universe just goes bananas.

Simon: Sounds technical.

Blonde: Helps if you have a Ph.D. or two. If my calculations
are correct, your psychic energy could bring about another
dire catastrophe any moment. Luckily, I have pinpointed
the only place on earth that has an irresistible enough
force to counteract you.

Blonde: Let me guess...your sleeper car.

Simon: Grab your purse...you've not a moment to lose. ...
[she is still not convinced] Have you ever heard of the
double slit experiment?

Blonde: Well, there was this one time back in college...

Simon: How about Schroedinger's cat?

Blonde: No, I'm not that kinky.

Simon: Close your eyes...give me your hand. [she does]

Simon: Now, imagine you have a cat in your palm. A teeny,
tiny cat that fits in the palm of your hand. You also have
a poisonous sardine in your hand. Once we close your palm
[he does] there are two possible scenarios. Either the cat
eats the sardine and dies, or the cat doesn't eat the sar-
dine and lives. Quantum physics says until we open your
hand to discover the cat's fate, both eventualities occur
at the same time. For us, the cat is both living and
deceased.

Blonde: How can that be?

Simon: That's the miracle of quantum mechanics: the
observer gets to decide.

Blonde: The kitty's already made up his mind.

Simon: Alive or dead?

Blonde: See for yourself. [he opens her palm...the next
scene shows them in bed together]

One wonders whether that's how John Hagelin gets laid?

  [:)]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gay marriage repealed in Maine



On Nov 4, 2009, at 3:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


How was the referendum worded? Was it one of these where you might
think you were voting for gay marriage but really you were voting
against it? These groups have a sneaky way of wording their  
referendums

that way. I think most people in California could care less whether
gays marry or not but might have accidentally voted for Prop 8  
thinking

they were voting for gay marriage. How does it really effect religious
junkies anyway other than their neo-fascist way of wanting to put  
their

ideology in your face? If they try that around me they get bitch
slapped. ;-)



This seems common. I've seen a number of initiatives where the wording  
was deliberately convoluted. The wording in this case was:


Question 1: People's Veto

An Act To End Discrimination in Civil Marriage and Affirm Religious  
Freedom
Do you want to reject the new law that lets same-sex couples marry  
and allows individuals and religious groups to refuse to perform these  
marriages?


Although on the ballot, it just said:

Question 1: People's Veto

Do you want to reject the new law that lets same-sex couples marry  
and allows individuals and religious groups to refuse to perform these  
marriages?


Another conservative pushed issue, which was voted down several times  
before, a Taxpayers bill of rights (so called) or TABOR as it's  
typically coined, used odd wording:


“Do you want to change the existing formulas that limit state and  
local government spending and require voter approval by referendum for  
spending over those limits and for increases in state taxes?”

[FairfieldLife] Re: Many Paths

Rick Archer wrote:
  There are hundreds of paths up the mountain...
 
Bhairitu wrote:
 Some paths are faster than others. Those that 
 are faster require a fastened seat belt and 
 navigator.

There's only One 'path' and it isn't a path at 
all. There's only One Absolute - there can't be
more than One Ultimate Reality - that wouldn't
even make any sense.

[FairfieldLife] 'V'

Imagine this. At a time of political turmoil, a 
charismatic, telegenic new leader arrives virtually 
out of nowhere. He offers a message of hope and 
reconciliation based on compromise and promises to 
marshal technology for a better future that will 
include universal health care...

'V' aims at Obamamania:
http://tinyurl.com/yjcfhpr

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is CC flat suffering?

 C.C. happens, when one meditates long enough, that the nervous system can 
maintain, the state of 'No Breath'...where the ego is transcended...
The ego cannot exist in the state of 'No Breath'...

So, then you open your eyes, and the state continues...
The witnessing state continues, where you have a cognition, that your own 
consciousness, is silent and 'Observing'...

This can seem rather flat, boring and monotonous, because, although, you many 
feel some bliss, inside, the outside world, with all of it's 
'Perturbations'...vibrations, good and bad and indifferent...

It's only at this level, that you may, begin to develope the finer emotions of 
the heart...

Then, besides the experience of the 'Inner Self' as pure and pristine...
You begin to see the 'Divine Patterns' of creation...
You begin to see 'Synchronicity' all the time...(is that redundant?)
You begin to see the beautify in all of creation...and appreciate the finer 
aspects of creation...

Then all the intricacies of life, become interesting, on the level of how 
complex, and simple life is...
How creative, the 'The Creator' (IS)

And, how you are an intregal part of the 'Whole Big Bangin' Thangy'

'A do, do do, a da da da, that's all I want to say to You!

R.g.

[FairfieldLife] 'Strong Channeling'


November Channelling
(This is a new connection for me and was a pretty intense experience
while the channelling was coming through. I am really excited about
working with this wonderful energy and messenger of peace.)

Message of Peace and message of Growth
 31st October
Chief Seattle – Channelled through Sarupa Shah



I am Chief Seattle, I have not worked in this way, in this form as
Chief Seattle before.

The reason I am here now is to talk of world peace, world harmony, co-
operation and community.

The consciousness of man is changed. The seeds have been sown. The
shoots are visible both to you and to those of us working for higher
planetary consciousness, from the higher dimensions of light.

The shoots are strong but not yet bearing fruits, for like any plant
they require tending to.

Like any child or new born they require the love, compassion and
support to grow and become the great oak tree.

But of course the shoots I speak of are metaphorical, they are not in
a literal sense seeds of anything that you grow and tend to outside of
yourself. For these seeds are each of you. It is your growth and your
actions that will see the shift in consciousness happen more smoothly
and speedily.

For the time for watching the work of others and admiring the efforts
and light others were anchoring and radiating is of limited value and
purpose.

The question you must ask yourself is, if I am the young shoot, what
must I do for me to tend my own growth? For you are also the parent,
the gardener, the care taker of the young shoot that you be. The
change that you are desiring and dreaming can only happen through you.
It is time to wake up and take action and trust what you know you must
do. It is not the actions of the enlightened ones who walk this planet
that can carry the rest of humanity on their back. It is time to be
brave and time to make your commitment to moving forward. Not just
your desire and intention, but commitment to do what you know you
must.

Ask yourself, ‘How can I ensure that I grow and reach my full
potential and that I can inspire and maybe leads others to their full
potential?’

Potential for yourself, for your community and potential for the
planet. This is the New Earth way, this is the way that always been
the dream, the intention, the promise and the journey of all souls.

Time has come to step even further into the light, not to be indulged
by the brightness but be fired up to take action and to move away form
behaviour, thought, pattern, emotion and other expression and from
structures that do not support love of one another. For you see you
are each brother, sister, mother, daughter, father, son. You are each
from where I stand a light of your own, from where I stand I could say
that each of you is a star so bright, a ray of the Divine, a spark of
her love.

It is time for you to recognise this in all, not just the few but know
and begin to foster the understanding that every soul on the planet is
your family.

The time to step into a higher vibration is drawing near you. You
cannot take with you such things that do not belong in the higher
vibration of love. It cannot carry low vibration behaviour, thoughts,
patterns, emotion and other low vibration expressions. These things
shatter in the higher vibration as they have no place there. This is
why so many of you report and experience what appears as destruction,
illness, it is simply a shattering and transmutation of lower
vibrational being and expression. The time for you to be conscious in
this is now, for the ultimate steps are down to you, you share this
dream of higher living, of new earth and the choice of how it
manifests is in each of your hands.

What we do ask is that you take opportunity to work on yourself each
day taking steps to release more of what is not your true self. For
then your personal transition will be smoother. Indeed, you are
entering a time of transition and new time of preparation and growth.

The energy of destruction has just come to an end and the feelings of
disharmony, confusion, lack of direction, feeling like life has no
purpose will go with this, but for you are require to examine what
remains. The transition that awaits you now requires you to step up
and consciously release and create. For if you are to claim this
higher living then this jump needs to occur soon.

What are the areas that you need to evolve? What is it that you hold
onto that support old paradigm beliefs of separation from each other
and the Divine? That is the core of the old paradigm and the new
paradigm that is being co-created is releasing the feelings of
separation and instead moving back to community and unity. Now that
energy shifts have occurred, the remainder of your calendar year and
your start of 2010 are for you to make the physical, emotional, mental
and spiritual shifts in your own life first. It is time from whatever
you be to take your next step. You are being offered an opportunity to
reach higher vibrations. If

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Strong Channeling'

Om jeez. Dear Cheif Seattle,you have a valid meditation dome badge? Or, is that 
what you want?

 
 November Channelling
 (This is a new connection for me and was a pretty intense experience
 while the channelling was coming through. I am really excited about
 working with this wonderful energy and messenger of peace.)
 
 Message of Peace and message of Growth
  31st October
 Chief Seattle â Channelled through Sarupa Shah
 
 
 
 I am Chief Seattle, I have not worked in this way, in this form as
 Chief Seattle before.
 
 The reason I am here now is to talk of world peace, world harmony, co-
 operation and community.
 
 The consciousness of man is changed. The seeds have been sown. The
 shoots are visible both to you and to those of us working for higher
 planetary consciousness, from the higher dimensions of light.
 
 The shoots are strong but not yet bearing fruits, for like any plant
 they require tending to.
 
 Like any child or new born they require the love, compassion and
 support to grow and become the great oak tree.
 
 But of course the shoots I speak of are metaphorical, they are not in
 a literal sense seeds of anything that you grow and tend to outside of
 yourself. For these seeds are each of you. It is your growth and your
 actions that will see the shift in consciousness happen more smoothly
 and speedily.
 
 For the time for watching the work of others and admiring the efforts
 and light others were anchoring and radiating is of limited value and
 purpose.
 
 The question you must ask yourself is, if I am the young shoot, what
 must I do for me to tend my own growth? For you are also the parent,
 the gardener, the care taker of the young shoot that you be. The
 change that you are desiring and dreaming can only happen through you.
 It is time to wake up and take action and trust what you know you must
 do. It is not the actions of the enlightened ones who walk this planet
 that can carry the rest of humanity on their back. It is time to be
 brave and time to make your commitment to moving forward. Not just
 your desire and intention, but commitment to do what you know you
 must.
 
 Ask yourself, âHow can I ensure that I grow and reach my full
 potential and that I can inspire and maybe leads others to their full
 potential?â
 
 Potential for yourself, for your community and potential for the
 planet. This is the New Earth way, this is the way that always been
 the dream, the intention, the promise and the journey of all souls.
 
 Time has come to step even further into the light, not to be indulged
 by the brightness but be fired up to take action and to move away form
 behaviour, thought, pattern, emotion and other expression and from
 structures that do not support love of one another. For you see you
 are each brother, sister, mother, daughter, father, son. You are each
 from where I stand a light of your own, from where I stand I could say
 that each of you is a star so bright, a ray of the Divine, a spark of
 her love.
 
 It is time for you to recognise this in all, not just the few but know
 and begin to foster the understanding that every soul on the planet is
 your family.
 
 The time to step into a higher vibration is drawing near you. You
 cannot take with you such things that do not belong in the higher
 vibration of love. It cannot carry low vibration behaviour, thoughts,
 patterns, emotion and other low vibration expressions. These things
 shatter in the higher vibration as they have no place there. This is
 why so many of you report and experience what appears as destruction,
 illness, it is simply a shattering and transmutation of lower
 vibrational being and expression. The time for you to be conscious in
 this is now, for the ultimate steps are down to you, you share this
 dream of higher living, of new earth and the choice of how it
 manifests is in each of your hands.
 
 What we do ask is that you take opportunity to work on yourself each
 day taking steps to release more of what is not your true self. For
 then your personal transition will be smoother. Indeed, you are
 entering a time of transition and new time of preparation and growth.
 
 The energy of destruction has just come to an end and the feelings of
 disharmony, confusion, lack of direction, feeling like life has no
 purpose will go with this, but for you are require to examine what
 remains. The transition that awaits you now requires you to step up
 and consciously release and create. For if you are to claim this
 higher living then this jump needs to occur soon.
 
 What are the areas that you need to evolve? What is it that you hold
 onto that support old paradigm beliefs of separation from each other
 and the Divine? That is the core of the old paradigm and the new
 paradigm that is being co-created is releasing the feelings of
 separation and instead moving back to community and unity. Now that
 energy shifts have occurred, the remainder of your calendar year and
 your start of 2010 are for you to

[FairfieldLife] Re: not such a good idea to post this here

Yea is true, the non-meditators and the 'damned' spiritualists here are the 
actual problem thinking they have something to say here.  If Rick would just 
let me moderate, I'd take care of that.

Let me help, give me the password.  

Jai Adi Shankara,
-D in FF

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote:

 you are inviting the most dedicated trouble makers to cause a problem when 
 you post these things in this forum

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dalai Lama learns physics and the scientific method

Great Essay.

TM, Buddhistic, Patanjali, science.  Some middle way through them all.  What's 
the big problem, what's the mystery?
Is pretty clear when you take the time.  Is my experience anyway.  What is the 
big deal?  The problem obviously is non-meditation in a life.


HH Dali Lama:

On numerous occasions Bohm and I explored the ways objective
scientific method may relate to meditative practice, which is, from
the Buddhist point of view, equally empirical.

.

Strictly speaking, this process of reasoning is neither uniquely
Buddhist nor uniquely scientific; rather it reflects a basic activity of
the human mind which we naturally employ on a daily basis. 



From an observed phenomenon, directly
evident to the senses, one can infer what remains hidden.

This form of reasoning is common to Buddhism and science.

Jai Adi Shankara,
-D in FF




  From his scientific autobiography.
 
 
 One of my first teachers of science-and one of my closest scientific
 friends--was the German physicist arid philosopher Carl von
 Weizsäcker, the brother of the West German president. Though he
 would describe himself as a politically active professor of philosophy
 who had been trained as a physicist, in the 1930s von
 Weizsàcker was employed as an assistant to the quantum physicist
 Werner Heisenberg. I will never forget von Weizsãcker's infectious
 and inspiring example as a man who constantly worried about the
 effects--especially the ethical and political consequences--of science.
 He sought relentlessly to apply the rigor of philosophical inquiry
 to the activity of science, in order to continually challenge it.
 In addition to lengthy informal discussions on various occasions,
 I was fortunate to receive some formal tutorial sessions from
 von Weizsäcker on scientific topics. These were conducted in a
 style not so different from the one-to-one knowledge transmissions
 that are a familiar form of teaching in my own Tibetan Buddhist
 tradition. On more than one occasion, we were able to set
 aside two full days for a retreat when von Weizsäcker gave me an
 intensive tutorial on quantum physics and its philosophical  
 implications.
 I feel deeply grateful for his tremendous kindness in granting
 me so much of his precious time and also for the depth of his
 patience, especially when I found myself struggling with a difficult
 concept, which I must admit was not infrequent.
 
 Von Weizsãcker used to insist on the importance of empiricism
 in science. Matter can be known, he said, in two ways--it can be
 phenomenally given or it can be inferred. For instance, a brown
 spot on an apple can be seen with the eye; it is phenomenally
 given. But that there is a worm in the apple is something we may
 infer from the spot and from our general knowledge of apples and
 worms.
 
 In Buddhist philosophy, there is the principle that the means
 by which a specific proposal is tested should accord with the nature
 of the subject under analysis. For example, if a proposal pertains
 to facts about the world that are observable, including one's
 own existence, then it is by empirical experience that the proposal
 may be affirmed or rejected. Thus, Buddhism puts the empirical
 method of direct observation first. If, by contrast, the proposal  
 relates
 to generalizations that are induced from our experience of the
 world (for instance, the transient nature of life or the  
 interconnectedness
 of reality), then it is by reason, primarily in the form of
 inference, that the proposal may be accepted or rejected. Thus,
 Buddhism accepts the method of reasoned inference--very much
 on the model presented by von Weizsäcker.
 
 Finally, from the Buddhist point of view, there is a further level
 of reality, which may remain obscure to the unenlightened mind.
 Traditionally, a typical illustration of this would be the most subtle
 workings of the law of karma, and the question of why there are so
 many species of beings in the world. Only in this category of
 propositions is scripture cited as a potentially correct source of  
 authority,
 on the specific basis that for Buddhists, the testimony of
 the Buddha has proven to be reliable in the examination of the nature
 of existence and the path to liberation. Although this principle
 of the three methods of verification--experience, inference,
 and a reliable authority--is implicit in the earliest developments of
 Buddhist thought, it was the great Indian logicians Dignaga (fifth
 century) and Dharmakirti (seventh century) who first formulated it
 as a systematic philosophical methodology.
 
 In this final example, Buddhism and science clearly part cornpany,
 since science, at least in principle, does not acknowledge any
 form of scriptural authority. But in the first two domains--the  
 application
 of empirical experience and reason--there is a great methodological
 convergence between the two investigative traditions. In
 our day-to-day life, however, we regularly and habitually use the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Many Paths

WillyTex wrote:
 Rick Archer wrote:
   
 There are hundreds of paths up the mountain...

   
 Bhairitu wrote:
   
 Some paths are faster than others. Those that 
 are faster require a fastened seat belt and 
 navigator.

 
 There's only One 'path' and it isn't a path at 
 all. There's only One Absolute - there can't be
 more than One Ultimate Reality - that wouldn't
 even make any sense.

So you say.  No wonder you're so clueless. :-D

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'V'

WillyTex wrote:
 Imagine this. At a time of political turmoil, a 
 charismatic, telegenic new leader arrives virtually 
 out of nowhere. He offers a message of hope and 
 reconciliation based on compromise and promises to 
 marshal technology for a better future that will 
 include universal health care...

 'V' aims at Obamamania:
 http://tinyurl.com/yjcfhpr

Funny thing is some of the right wing think that V advocates the 
social order of the lizard people.   Apparently these are people who 
are too young to have seen the original series which helped launch whose 
career?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can group meditation bring World Peace? John Hagelin explains



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  Absolutely.
  
  Jai Adi Shankara,
  -D in FF
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
  
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVFa6Wtuxu8
  
 
 
 John Hagelin - There is such a radiated feeling of peace 
 that people wake up and say: I'm not going to kill anyone 
 today
 
 Or, in the case of the guy who went on a killing spree during
 the Washington study -  I'm going to kill *lots* of people 
 today!
 
 They are drawing targets around arrows.


No you hard-hearted fool, are shooting some particular arrows at some targets.
Git your meditation checked an sit a while, do it some too, and may be even 
help.  You might even feel better about things according to a lot of the 
science.  Some lot of the science says you might even be of help.  Is 
incredibly compassionate.  Are you against that?

You live in FF, or are you out in the world?  Time for forest academy?

My old dad had a comment about old farts,'they can't die fast enough'.  Is some 
practical wisdom in that evidently.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gay marriage repealed in Maine

ShempMcGurk wrote:
 ...so I take it, Bhairitu, in your all-encompassing tolerance of differences 
 and different lifestyles that you support legalizing polygamous marriages 
 between consenting adults?

 And if I haven't worded the above question too sneakily for you, I do expect 
 an answer...


I AM probably that liberal that I really wouldn't care about polygamous 
marriages or relationships either.   I think it was the way the Mormons 
abused them that made the practice unfavorable.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Strong Channeling'

2009-11-04 Thread raunchydog

Chief Seattle, how's it going and How!  At first I thought you were a 
horticulturist, what with all that talk about shoots and plants. Then I said, 
Nah. That can't be it. After all your post caused Doug to lobby strongly once 
again for a password to monitor FFLife, which says to me you're probably just 
another dangerous self-important poser touting spirituality like Barry and Vaj. 
Doug believe he's wise enough to halve the baby, root out shoots and rotten 
apples from the Fairfield fruit salad, spit out the seeds and call it a day.  

Then I remembered reading that the last time Chief Seattle channeled sprouts, 
Seattle had an epidemic of naked pod people blocking traffic at Pike Place Fish 
Market. Body snatchers, they were, scary pod people, who at the first light of 
day after oozing from stinky pods, dared to openly walk side-by-side, 
hand-in-hand into a gay bars and restaurants all over Seattle with a pandas. 
The story goes like this:

A panda walks into a restaurant, sits down and orders a sandwich. After he 
finishes eating the sandwich, the panda pulls out a gun and shoots the waiter, 
and then stands up to go. Hey! shouts the manager. Where are you going? You 
just shot my waiter and you didn't pay for your sandwich!

The panda yells back at the manager, Hey man, I am a PANDA! Look it up!

The manager opens his dictionary and sees the following definition for panda: 
A tree-dwelling marsupial of Asian origin, characterised by distinct black and 
white colouring. Eats shoots and leaves.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote:

 
 November Channelling
 (This is a new connection for me and was a pretty intense experience
 while the channelling was coming through. I am really excited about
 working with this wonderful energy and messenger of peace.)
 
 Message of Peace and message of Growth
  31st October
 Chief Seattle â Channelled through Sarupa Shah
 
 
 
 I am Chief Seattle, I have not worked in this way, in this form as
 Chief Seattle before.
 
 The reason I am here now is to talk of world peace, world harmony, co-
 operation and community.
 
 The consciousness of man is changed. The seeds have been sown. The
 shoots are visible both to you and to those of us working for higher
 planetary consciousness, from the higher dimensions of light.
 
 The shoots are strong but not yet bearing fruits, for like any plant
 they require tending to.
 
 Like any child or new born they require the love, compassion and
 support to grow and become the great oak tree.
 
 But of course the shoots I speak of are metaphorical, they are not in
 a literal sense seeds of anything that you grow and tend to outside of
 yourself. For these seeds are each of you. It is your growth and your
 actions that will see the shift in consciousness happen more smoothly
 and speedily.
 
 For the time for watching the work of others and admiring the efforts
 and light others were anchoring and radiating is of limited value and
 purpose.
 
 The question you must ask yourself is, if I am the young shoot, what
 must I do for me to tend my own growth? For you are also the parent,
 the gardener, the care taker of the young shoot that you be. The
 change that you are desiring and dreaming can only happen through you.
 It is time to wake up and take action and trust what you know you must
 do. It is not the actions of the enlightened ones who walk this planet
 that can carry the rest of humanity on their back. It is time to be
 brave and time to make your commitment to moving forward. Not just
 your desire and intention, but commitment to do what you know you
 must.
 
 Ask yourself, âHow can I ensure that I grow and reach my full
 potential and that I can inspire and maybe leads others to their full
 potential?â
 
 Potential for yourself, for your community and potential for the
 planet. This is the New Earth way, this is the way that always been
 the dream, the intention, the promise and the journey of all souls.
 
 Time has come to step even further into the light, not to be indulged
 by the brightness but be fired up to take action and to move away form
 behaviour, thought, pattern, emotion and other expression and from
 structures that do not support love of one another. For you see you
 are each brother, sister, mother, daughter, father, son. You are each
 from where I stand a light of your own, from where I stand I could say
 that each of you is a star so bright, a ray of the Divine, a spark of
 her love.
 
 It is time for you to recognise this in all, not just the few but know
 and begin to foster the understanding that every soul on the planet is
 your family.
 
 The time to step into a higher vibration is drawing near you. You
 cannot take with you such things that do not belong in the higher
 vibration of love. It cannot carry low vibration behaviour, thoughts,
 patterns, emotion and other low vibration expressions. These things
 shatter in the higher vibration as they have no place there.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is CC flat suffering?

nablusoss1008 wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

   
 That's my 50th. See you later, all.
 

 See you later authfriend; glad you are here in this wild jungle/madhouse 
 created so very consciously by Rick Archer who thinks he did everyone a 
 favour in doing so !

Why do you still hang out here then?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Quantum Pickup Line

TurquoiseB wrote:
 The esoteric field of quantum mechanics has been
 perverted over the years to sell everything from
 New Age concepts (Transcendental Meditation, the
 What The Bleep movie, etc.) to pets (My other
 cat used to belong to Schroedinger), but last
 Thursday was the first time I've ever seen it
 being used to get laid.

 In the American TV series FlashForward, the
 plot device is that everyone on Earth passed out
 for two minutes and seventeen seconds and glimpsed
 a vision of their own future. Everyone has naturally
 been somewhat hung up ever since on figuring out
 how and why this happened.

 So in this episode, one of the people who just might
 have a clue is on a train bound for LA, and uses
 quantum mechanics to sell an attractive blonde into
 sharing his sleeper compartment:

 Simon: I know what caused the FlashForward. [pause]
 You don't believe me.

 Blonde: [playing with her iPhone] Well of course I
 do. The world's greatest mystery has been solved by
 a boozer on a train bound for Los Angeles.

 Simon: Can you connect to the Internet with that?
 Real quick, do an image search for quantum physicist
 genius. Go on...I'll wait. [sits down next to her]

 Simon: Which popped up first -- me winning the Robert
 Wilson Award, or the jaunty one of me holding the lab
 goggles over my genitals? [visual of the iPhone shows
 it's the latter]

 Blonde: I'm sorry...I've just heard that line a hundred
 times before.

 Simon: You genuinely want to know? The FlashForwards
 were caused by you. It's simple quantum mechanics really.
 Whenever a heavenly body carries such an intense force
 of attraction the universe just goes bananas.

 Simon: Sounds technical.

 Blonde: Helps if you have a Ph.D. or two. If my calculations
 are correct, your psychic energy could bring about another
 dire catastrophe any moment. Luckily, I have pinpointed
 the only place on earth that has an irresistible enough
 force to counteract you.

 Blonde: Let me guess...your sleeper car.

 Simon: Grab your purse...you've not a moment to lose. ...
 [she is still not convinced] Have you ever heard of the
 double slit experiment?

 Blonde: Well, there was this one time back in college...

 Simon: How about Schroedinger's cat?

 Blonde: No, I'm not that kinky.

 Simon: Close your eyes...give me your hand. [she does]

 Simon: Now, imagine you have a cat in your palm. A teeny,
 tiny cat that fits in the palm of your hand. You also have
 a poisonous sardine in your hand. Once we close your palm
 [he does] there are two possible scenarios. Either the cat
 eats the sardine and dies, or the cat doesn't eat the sar-
 dine and lives. Quantum physics says until we open your
 hand to discover the cat's fate, both eventualities occur
 at the same time. For us, the cat is both living and
 deceased.

 Blonde: How can that be?

 Simon: That's the miracle of quantum mechanics: the
 observer gets to decide.

 Blonde: The kitty's already made up his mind.

 Simon: Alive or dead?

 Blonde: See for yourself. [he opens her palm...the next
 scene shows them in bed together]

 One wonders whether that's how John Hagelin gets laid?

   [:)]

Should mention that the actor that plays Simon played the rock musician 
in Lost.

[FairfieldLife] Re: ! Transcend ! ye Sinners

Dear Lurker,

I'm glad someone appreciated it.  Am i the only conservative meditator on FFL 
besides Rick  Nabluoss?  An sometimes i wonder about Rick.
 
I hope you liked the tune.  A number of us conservative meditators here have 
been recording a CD of these too recently.  Is incredibly instructive about 
meditation.
 
JAS,
-D in FF

--- On Fri, 10/30/09, wrote:

 
Subject: Re: ! Transcend ! ye Sinners
To: dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 10:39 PM

Dougie-Boy

Thanks for posting this.

-FFL Lurker 




 There is no saint without a past.
 There is no sinner without a future.
 
 Love and serve all humanity. Assist everyone. 
 Be cheerful. Be courteous. 
 
 Be a dynamo of irrepressible happiness. 
 See God and good in every face. 
 
 There is no saint without a past. 
 There is no sinner without a future. 
 Praise every soul. 
 
 If you cannot praise someone, let them pass out of your life. 
 
 Be original. Be inventive.
 Dare, dare, and then dare more. 
 
 Do not imitate. Stand on your own ground. 
 Do not lean on the borrowed staff of others.
 
 Think your own thoughts. Be yourself. 
 
 All perfection and all virtues of the Deity are hidden inside you- reveal 
 them.
 
 The savior also is already within you.
 
 Let his grace emancipate you.  Let your life be that of a rose.
 
 Through silence it speaks in the language of fragrance.
 
 There is no saint without a past.
 There is no sinner without a future.
 
 -Babaji, a Himalayan Saint
 
 
  
  
  The Unified Field Hymn
  
  Om Jai Adi Shankara,
  
  
  Another haunting meditation hymn with a beautiful lesson:
  
  
  Bleeding hearts defiled by sin
  Meditation can make, make you clean;
  Contrite souls with guilt oppressed,
  Meditation can give, can give you rest.
  
  You that mourn your follies past,  
  Precious hours and years, and years laid waste,
  Turn to meditation, oh turn and live, 
  Meditation can still, can still forgive.
  
  Fainting souls in peril's hour, 
  Yield not to, not to the tempter's power;
  On the risen life rely,
  Meditation now reigns, now reigns on high.
  

  
  
  
  Sung to the tune and harmonies of Natick
  
  Listen at:
  
  http://shapenote.net/497.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gay marriage repealed in Maine

2009-11-04 Thread off_world_beings


As a annointed Druid priest of a special order of the Ancient Scottish
Rites of Pagan Peacemakers, all gay people in the USA should all gather
together on one single day, and I will pronounce them all married. Then
they will be married.

Through their lawyers, they can get whatever pre-nuptial agreements they
see fit, and the law will be forced uphold such agreements.

Done.

(it is an illusion that the government has anything to do with marriage
or marriage law.)

OffWorld

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 âGod has given us this victory...

 Yes on 1 claims victory, repeal opponents 'will regroup'
 By Kevin Miller and Judy Harrison
 BDN Staff

 ï¿¼

 BANGOR DAILY NEWS PHOTO BY BRIDGET BROWN

 Yes on 1 supporters including Tim Russell (right) and his wife Sheila
 of Sidney celebrate after the campaign declared victory at Jeff's
 Catering in Brewer on early Wednesday. Buy Photo

 PORTLAND, Maine â Voters on Tuesday repealed the stateâs
same sex
 marriage law after an emotionally charged campaign that drew large
 numbers to the polls and focused national attention on Maine.

 With 87 percent of precincts reporting, the campaign to overturn
 Maineâs same-sex marriage law won with 53 percent of the vote
vs. 47
 percent opposed to Question 1, according to unofficial results
 compiled by the Bangor Daily News.

 Gay-marriage opponents claimed victory shortly after 12:30 a.m.
 Wednesday.

 âQuestion 1 has passed,â Frank Schubert, campaign
manager of Stand
 for Marriage Maine, announced in Portland. âIt has all come
together
 tonight and the institution of marriage has been preserved.â

 About 40 people who worked on the Yes on 1 campaign cheered as they
 heard the announcement by computer hookup at Jeffâs Catering in
 Brewer.
 âWe went up against tremendous odds,â Marc Mutty, public
affairs
 director for the Roman Catholic Diocese of Portland who has been on
 loan to the campaign, said from Portland. âWe all know we were
the
 little guy going up against the big guy, but we prevailed. We
 prevailed because the people of Maine â the silent majority
â the
 folks back home spoke with their votes.

 âWhat they had to say,â Mutty continued, âis
marriage matters
 because itâs between a man and a woman. [This campaign] has
never
 been about hating gays, but about preserving marriage and only about
 preserving marriage, and thatâs what we did tonight.â

 The defenders of Maineâs gay marriage law â which passed
the
 Legislature in the spring but was never allowed to take effect
â
 acknowledged being behind, but held out hope for a bump as the final
 votes and absentee ballots were counted.


 In a defiant speech to several hundred lingering supporters, No on 1
 campaign manager Jesse Connolly pledged that his side âwill not
quit
 until we know where every single one of these votes lives.â

 âWeâre not short-timers; we are here for the long
haul,â
 Connolly told the crowd, some of whom wiped away tears as he spoke.
 âWhether itâs just all night and into the morning, or
next week or
 next month or next year, we will be here. Weâll be fighting,
weâll
 be working. We will regroup.â

 The Yes on 1 campaign, led by the group Stand for Marriage Maine,
 built its lead by winning votes in rural Maine as well as in some
 larger towns such as the Roman Catholic and Franco-American
 stronghold of Lewiston.

 In contrast, the effort to defend Maineâs gay marriage law won
 strong support in places such as Portland, where 73 percent voted
 against Question 1, and majority support in Bangor.

 Throughout the campaign leading up to Tuesdayâs closely watched
 election, both sides had said that turnout would be key. State
 election officials estimated earlier Tuesday that turnout likely
 would top 50 percent.

 But while gay marriage supporters hoped the high voter interest would
 provide a boost, it was not enough to make Maine the first state in
 the nation where gay marriage won at the polls rather than in the
 legislature or courts.

 Despite the outcome, Mary Bonauto, a No on 1 executive board member
 and attorney with Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders, said she
 was never more proud to live in Maine and raise a family with her
 long-term partner. She was especially proud of the attention the No
 on 1 campaign brought to the values shared by all families,
 regardless of sexual orientation.

 âI look around at the 8,000 volunteers, and the vast majority
are
 not gay people,â Bonauto said. âSo that gives me hope
that,
 regardless of the outcome, that this discussion has changed the
 state.â

 At the No on 1 election-watch party, what began as an exuberant crowd
 of more than 1,000 began to steadily dwindle as the Yes
campaignâs
 lead held steady. By 12:30 a.m. Wednesday, a few hundred die-hard gay
 marriage supporters still remained in the ballroom as Connolly spoke,
 but the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gay marriage repealed in Maine



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote:

 ShempMcGurk wrote:
  ...so I take it, Bhairitu, in your all-encompassing tolerance of 
  differences and different lifestyles that you support legalizing polygamous 
  marriages between consenting adults?
 
  And if I haven't worded the above question too sneakily for you, I do 
  expect an answer...
 
 
 I AM probably that liberal that I really wouldn't care about polygamous 
 marriages or relationships either.   I think it was the way the Mormons 
 abused them that made the practice unfavorable.


Really?  I don't think so.

I'm not sure what you mean by they abused polygamous marriages and 
relationships but even if they had the best, most loving ones, the USA most 
certainly would still have demanded the end of polygamy as a condition for 
statehood.

[FairfieldLife] Re: ! Transcend ! ye Sinners

2009-11-04 Thread lesley mc coy

wow
How lovely is this!
I have to share with others!
 
... ~* ...
Daisy Award
 
so much beauty in the world-
thanks for sharing this bit

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Strong Channeling'



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:

 Chief Seattle, how's it going and How!  
 (snip)
Peace to all who read this:
I am here to tell you that the people of the earth, are of the earth, and will 
return to the earth.
The earth is really a remarkable thing...
But, because of the 'European Emphasis on The Masculine Energy of 
Control'...(out of balance)*(just as in India, out of balance, in the opposite 
way)...
Much of the earth, it's creatures, and it's musical qualities, have been 
compromised...
Therefore, I would encourage you all, all the races of this 'Great Nation'...
Be more still, more silent, and attune yourself, to the earth...
It is a thing of great beauty, which as you appreciate, each thing of it, 
You will find your 'Spirit Connected to It'...
And you will feel more 'One with It'...

Thank you all for listening,

Chief Seattle.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments




 
 
 
  300 children.
  
  Is there anyone left inside MIU that could explain the spiritual facts of 
  life to these unruly children and those outsiders who agitate them?
 

In the place of the Transcendentalists came other men and women, new
and untried, with not so much of Greek and Latin, not so much suavity
of manners, not so much cultivation, but warm of heart and brave of
purpose. The magnificent idea was a revelation of truth to some but
also a great temptation for many shivering poor and impatient
outsiders. They could thrive on it. They felt it was their right, their
destiny, having failed in the civilized fight for bread and butter and
comfort, to have from some source food, shelter and protection; and it
struck them that Brook Farm was just the place to go for it. So the
Association was inundated with applications of all kinds by person and
by letter.

1840's Transcendentalism  Brook Farm


http://infomotions.com/etexts/gutenberg/dirs/etext05/brkfm10.htm



 
 Om, the University student.
 
 Here, are the spiritual facts of life:
 There is not time to waste.
 
 Listen; 
 
 Young people all, attention give
 And hear what I shall say;
 I wish your souls with meditation to live
 In everlasting day.
 
 Remember you are hast'ning on
 To death's dark gloomy shade;
 Your joys on earth will soon be gone,
 Your flesh in dust be laid.
 
 Death's iron gate you must pass through
 Ere long , my dear young friends;
 With whom do you think to go?
 With saints, or non-meditating fiends?
 
 Will you pursue your dangerous ways?
 Pray meditate before too late
 Behold, a light before the gate
 Most lovingly it doth shine.
 
 
 Young people all I pray then view
 The fountain open wide,
 The spring of life, opened for sin,
 Which flows the transcendent side;
 There you may drink in endless joy,
 And reign with the unified field your king
 In glad notes your souls employ,
 And hallelujahs sing.
 
 
 A beautiful meditation hymn and strong message
 to the tune at:
 http://shapenote.net/37b.htm
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
  
  Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all
  going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate
  
  
  
  
   Our call to be meditators is something more than a casual circumstance.  
   I feel its force and realize its holiness.  As a meditator in the sphere 
   of nature, I realize how enslaved we should have been to the fashions and 
   life that gratify the merely animal passions.  As a conservative 
   meditator in the spiritual family of Fairfield meditators, I am relieved 
   from earthly servitude, and am a free being; free to live and be as pure 
   as the heavens, with companions who are also pure.  
   
   I am happy in my call to an entire consecration of soul and body in 
   meditation, to a cause so noble; and though many rebel against the call 
   of meditation, I know that the discipline of a meditating life is of God 
   and that its principles in science can never fail, I have tasted the 
   bread and waters of a regenerated and eternal life in meditation, and to 
   every sincere seeker after truth, I send greeting, and welcome to share 
   in meditation, in Fairfield.
   
   Jai Adi Shankara,
   -Doug in FF
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
   
Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all
going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to 
meditate by
taking attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved, and that 
policy
was dropped. A study was then conducted that determined that the student
body consists of 
 
. 30% entrepreneurs - career-oriented kids who mainly want to 
learn
skills and enter the workforce. TM and SCI aren't high priorities. 
. 60% dreamers who want to change the world. They appreciate 
TM
but don't see it as the lynchpin of that endeavor. They're into
environmentalism and other causes.
. 10% devotees
 
The faculty are about 90% devotees, so their attempts to impose their 
values
on the students weren't working. The university is trying to translate 
this
assessment into practical steps to become more relevant and appealing to
students.
 
I wonder whether all this is related to Bevan Morris' recent withdrawal 
from
the board of trustees?
   
  
 
 
 o

[FairfieldLife] The sources of good and evil (was Re: Is CC flat suffering?)

 (snip)
 An ego at the service of the Self is exactly how it works, apparently. 
 Consider this exchange I had with an MIU classmate on Facebook after he 
 posted as his status, [I'm] noticing that there are two of me:
 (snip)
In 'Enlightenment'...
There is only one of you...

At first, it's impossible to imagine an experience, without the ego being 
involved...

But, with enough practice, with 'Transcending'...
There comes a time, 'When the Ego is Transcended~Completely!'

Until, you become familiar, with 'Transcending the Ego' completely...
It is impossible, to imagine, any experience, through, any perspective, other 
than the 'Ego's Perspective'...

The 'Ego's Perspective' is always limited, because it is based on false 
premises, in the past, history of this life-time, and other past life-times...
It therefore, does not have 'All the Available Information'...
In order to perform, 'Right Action' or 'God's Will'...

In order to perform action, in 'Accord with God's Will'...
It is necessary, for you consciousness, to be based, in the 'Soul'...
That is part and parcel of 'God'...

When you are no longer attached to the 'Fruits of Action'...
And when you are no longer imprisoned by the ego...
Then it becomes only natural to act, from the level of the soul...

The Soul transcends time...
The Soul transcends space...
The Soul is you, 
But the 'Ego Mysteriously has Imprisoned It!'...

And so on a 'Collective Level'...
~ You may see, from this hypothosis, that those actions, which are most 
'Unnatural' and 'Devoid of Connection to the Eternal Soul'...

Actions based on 'Ulterior Motives'...like Bush...
Actions by the Corporations, who have 'The Love of Money, as their Game'...
and so on...


Robert Jeffrey Gimbel  November, 2009

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can group meditation bring World Peace? John Hagelin explains

dhamiltony2k5 wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:
   

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
 Absolutely.

 Jai Adi Shankara,
 -D in FF

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
   
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVFa6Wtuxu8

 
 John Hagelin - There is such a radiated feeling of peace 
 that people wake up and say: I'm not going to kill anyone 
 today

 Or, in the case of the guy who went on a killing spree during
 the Washington study -  I'm going to kill *lots* of people 
 today!

 They are drawing targets around arrows.

 

 No you hard-hearted fool, are shooting some particular arrows at some targets.
 Git your meditation checked an sit a while, do it some too, and may be even 
 help.  You might even feel better about things according to a lot of the 
 science.  Some lot of the science says you might even be of help.  Is 
 incredibly compassionate.  Are you against that?

 You live in FF, or are you out in the world?  Time for forest academy?

 My old dad had a comment about old farts,'they can't die fast enough'.  Is 
 some practical wisdom in that evidently.

I would say that the world still has some hard lessons to learn and the 
process may not be all that peaceful.  Slapping a band-aid on the 
problem will probably just delay things and result in an even bigger fester.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gay marriage repealed in Maine

ShempMcGurk wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote:
   
 ShempMcGurk wrote:
 
 ...so I take it, Bhairitu, in your all-encompassing tolerance of 
 differences and different lifestyles that you support legalizing polygamous 
 marriages between consenting adults?

 And if I haven't worded the above question too sneakily for you, I do 
 expect an answer...

   
 I AM probably that liberal that I really wouldn't care about polygamous 
 marriages or relationships either.   I think it was the way the Mormons 
 abused them that made the practice unfavorable.

 

 Really?  I don't think so.

 I'm not sure what you mean by they abused polygamous marriages and 
 relationships but even if they had the best, most loving ones, the USA most 
 certainly would still have demanded the end of polygamy as a condition for 
 statehood.

If they were like the Harry Dean Stanton character's cult in Big Love 
then there certainly was abuse like where he was married to a sixteen 
year old.  If the wives were treated as slaves then that would be 
abuse.  But if the whole thing is mutual and people are old enough to 
make up their minds properly then there shouldn't be any problem.  It 
just tweaks the programmed norms of the biological androids.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual vs Spiritism



  
   If history has anything to say,
  
  If history had anything to say, it wouldn't keep
  repeating itself.  :-)
  
what I think you're feeling in
revering Shakerisms is the same thing you try to
promote here on FFL, Doug -- a sense of community.

FF meditating comunity?

Some lot like 1940's transcendentalists,  evidently would be alot like going 
out at noon and dining in FF downtown.  

They call some of the residents here Transcendentalists. You may
judge from the name that they must be either very good or very bad
people, but they represent people of education who are a little high
stilted in their religious views, and do not take in all the wonderful
Mosaic traditions. At least, this is as near as I can explain it to
you. It is the fashion to call every one who has any independent
notions a Transcendentalist, but I do not know who invented the name or
first applied it.

The people here do not dispute on religious creeds; they are too busy.
They work together, dine and sup together year in and year out in
intimate social relation, and do not either have angry disputes, or
quarrels about creeds or anything else. On the contrary, I am much
surprised at the earnest inquiry that is often made into the beliefs of
others, or rather into the groundwork or foundation from which the
churches sprung which have different tenets from their own.

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   Not revering, just observing.  Just proactive interest.
   
   Not just Shakerisms.
   Not revering but steeping some little in 18th and 19th 
   Century American spiritual movements and their European 
   and Eastern roots.  
  
  With all due respect, I think we can safely say
  that any Eastern roots you see in early American
  spiritual traditions were projected there. No such
  influence would have been possible or tolerated.
 
 
 Om by the way.  Actually, Jefferson kept a copy of the B. Gita in his library.
 Emerson, Thoreau, Fuller, Parker delighted in study of the B. Gita in their 
 time.
 These later referenced and wrote about it and it seems some carried it with 
 them for their own inspiration then.  Jai Guru B. Gita?
 
 Evidently there were translation copies around and they were passed around 
 some
 in Colonial through the 19th Century.  No, no need to project any hopeful 
 values back on to them.  Seems they was there anyway in the mix.  
 
 JAS,
 -D in FF
  
   Is a lot of descriptive material available and some that 
   is proscriptive, that can be learned from about life of 
   spiritual movements.  The proscriptive insights they give 
   in their own voice can be a useful perspective to how it 
   is going for Transcendental Meditation.
  
  That is true. And I think that as much can be learned
  from the failures of previous spiritual movements as
  can be learned from their successes. For example, if
  a community such as Shakerism felt that they had The
  Answer to a happy life but died out within a century,
  there is something to be learned from that. If the
  reclusive, divorce-ourselves-from-the-outside-world
  communities tended to fade out and disappear (as they 
  did), that might in fact bode badly for the TMO.
  
  Clearly, I enjoy tripping on past spiritual movements
  as well. I am quite taken with the Cathars and their
  lifestyle, even though their dualist philosophy is
  180 degrees opposed to my own. I think one can learn
  some valuable lessons from how they lived, and what
  happened to them as a result of living that way.
  
  The same is obviously true about early American com-
  munities. America's whole *myth* revolves around the
  idea of religious freedom -- a place where you can 
  go and really *act out* your beliefs, no matter how
  oddball and non-mainstream they are. That was not
  permitted in Europe, so many came to America hoping
  to create communities that reflected their beliefs.
  I guess my only point in jumping in to your posts
  about the Shakers is that if you're going to learn
  from history, one of the lessons you shouldn't 
  ignore is whether the spiritual community you're
  studying is still around. If it isn't -- for what-
  ever reason -- there is probably as much to be 
  learned from *that* history as there is from a 
  study of what they believed.
  
  If the TM movement is still around in a hundred years,
  historians will be interested in what they believed.
  If it isn't, they will be interested more in why what
  they believed didn't work.

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But, brothers, patience and hope! We know what we are working for, we
know that the truth of God is on our side, that he has no attributes
that can favor the existing order of fraud, oppression, carnage and
consequent wretchedness. We may be sure of the triumph of our cause.
The grass may grow over our graves before it will be accomplished; but
as certain as God reigns, will the dominion of justice and truth be
established in the order of society. Every plant which the Heavenly
Father has not planted will be plucked up, and the earth will yet
rejoice in the greenness and beauty of the garden of God.


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