[FairfieldLife] One-pointed man love (was Re: Invincibility School with 1000 students)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: Figuratively is a good word for much of your rumour-monging. If you generally had been a tad more precise perhaps even more confused souls would believe your wild speculations and outright lies about Maharishi... You have to hand it to Nabby. A lot of guys would be afraid to reveal the amount of obsessive man love they have for another guy for fear that it would make them look gay. Not Nabby. He'd have licked the sweat off of Maha- rishi's balls in a heartbeat if he had been asked to, and will be as gay as necessary now that Maharishi is gone to preserve his holy memory. :-) :-) :-) Just joking, but isn't it funny when TM devotees of Maharishi, who occasionally react angrily against gays and the concept of homosexuality here when the subject comes up, don't have any idea that -- with regard to Maharishi -- they are acting gayer than a New Orleans drag queen during Mardi Gras? Somewhere along the way they got convinced that indulging in obsessive, adorational love for another man *isn't* gay if that man is holy. Yeah, right. Makes one wonder sometimes whether being one-pointed with regard to their love for Maharishi has a hidden phallic meaning. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Having discussed man love for MMY, let's talk woman love :-)
Having suggested -- just for fun, you understand -- that the guys who indulge in obsessive, devotional love for Maharishi just might have a few loafers in their closets that they're light in when they do so, let's talk about the same obsessive, devotional, overly-protective love for Maharishi when expressed by...uh...women. For example, take two women who whine endlessly on this forum about misogyny, and how men have kept women down and treated them like shit for centuries. These women *go out of their way* to characterize any man they don't like *as* a misogynist and a male-chauvinist pig to demonize them. And yet. These *same* women are often first into the fray when Maharishi himself is criticized. They leap into battle and protect his holy name and memory with *exactly* the same fervor as the closeted guys. So what's up with that, eh? Let's analyze it. These women are acting out their overly-protective, obsessive, devotional love for a MAN who: * Created his entire organization without a single woman in a position of power, and ensured that no woman would *ever* be in a position of power in it. * Reputedly indulged in affairs with innocent (in at least one case virginal) women, kept these affairs secret, and when he was done with the women, threw them away like so much used Kleenex in a manner that makes Tiger Woods look like a saint. * Gave any number of public lectures (some still available on tape) in which he defined the ideal life of a woman as becoming a wife and mother, and sacrificing herself and her desires to do whatever her husband told her to do, thus creating an ideal family. * When he rarely suggested that one of his students had actually achieved the enlightenment he promised, never once (as far as I know) did he publicly suggest this about one of his women students. It was always a man. * Forced the women in his presence to dress the way *he* wanted them to dress, covered from head to toe, preferably in costumes (saris) that had no relation- ship to their own culture. The women didn't even get to choose their own way of dressing. * Proposed an idealized role for women that was based on 1) being either married or celibate, 2) if married being subordinate to and obedient to their husbands, and 3) having no power and no voice in the spiritual organization they were part of. And yet, whenever Maharishi's holy memory is criticized on this forum, these two feminists rush to protect his holy memory and to demonize the critics as male chauvinist pigs and misogynists. Go figure. I guess everyone can make exceptions for those they somehow feel deserve to be exceptions. In most men, these women would find the actions listed above reprehensible and misogynistic. In Maharishi, they find them admirable. Go figure. I mean, go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Sceptic James Randi On Global Warming
The myriad of influences that act upon Earth are so many and so variable -- though not capricious -- that I believe we simply cannot formulate an equation into which we enter variables and come up with an answer. A living planet will continually belch, vibrate, fracture, and crumble a bit, and thus defeat an accurate equation. Please note that this my amateur opinion, based on probably insufficient data. And CO2 is a natural molecule absolutely required for plant life to survive, and in the process of growing, those plants give off oxygen. We -- and all animal life -- consume that oxygen and give off CO2 And ...as far as humans are concerned, ten times more people die each year from the effects of cold than die from the heat. This a hugely complex set of variables we are trying to reduce to an equation... It's easy enough to believe that drought, floods, hurricanes, and earthquakes are signs of a coming catastrophe from global warming, but these are normal variations of any climate that we -- and other forms of life -- have survived And In my amateur opinion, more attention to disease control, better hygienic conditions for food production and clean water supplies, as well as controlling the filth that we breathe from fossil fuel use, are problems that should distract us from fretting about baking in Global Warming http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/805-agw-revisited.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Having discussed man love for MMY, let's talk woman love :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Go figure. I guess everyone can make exceptions for those they somehow feel deserve to be exceptions. In most men, these women would find the actions listed above reprehensible and misogynistic. In Maharishi, they find them admirable. Go figure. I mean, go figure. Says a potbellied old man, no longer sponge-worthy, who spends his days dwelling on something he was involved with more than 30 years ago (!) posting several posts e v e r y day on FFL year after year. Go figure. I mean, go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sceptic James Randi On Global Warming
Richard, I think it will be interesting to see who reacts to these quotes negatively. I find them measured, balanced, and pretty much what I feel about the issue. I could not agree more with his last statement below; the dangers he cites are known and undisputed, and could be acted upon today. There just isn't enough hard science *yet* to make global warming supercede them in importance. But I suspect -- as you have been pointing out -- that a few people are going to attempt to demonize Randi 1) because he didn't think much of TM and they bear him a grudge, and 2) because his stance challenges the attachment they feel towards their own supposed certainty on this issue. I have no dog in this fight. I certainly don't know the truth about AGW, and I don't think that there is enough hard evidence for *anyone* to know it. Therefore, when I hear people claim- ing to be certain -- on *either* side -- I react to them pretty much the same way I do when people claim certainty about spiritual matters. I laugh, and write them off as fanatics. *At the same time*, I think the performance of the largest industrialized nations at this climate change summit is nothing short of disgraceful, and fully support the African nations and others who have threatened to walk out. By making sure that enforceable options to reduce emissions are never discussed, the largest nations demonstrate their true allegiance clearly -- to the almighty buck, no matter what that might mean to the rest of the world. If the worst fears of AGW believers come true, I hope that those delegates from the U.S., from Japan, from China, and from other industrialized nations that kept real emission reduction from being even *discussed* at this summit are the first to be dragged out of their homes into the streets and staked out on a beach somewhere, there to await the rising tide. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: The myriad of influences that act upon Earth are so many and so variable -- though not capricious -- that I believe we simply cannot formulate an equation into which we enter variables and come up with an answer. A living planet will continually belch, vibrate, fracture, and crumble a bit, and thus defeat an accurate equation. Please note that this my amateur opinion, based on probably insufficient data. And CO2 is a natural molecule absolutely required for plant life to survive, and in the process of growing, those plants give off oxygen. We -- and all animal life -- consume that oxygen and give off CO2 And ...as far as humans are concerned, ten times more people die each year from the effects of cold than die from the heat. This a hugely complex set of variables we are trying to reduce to an equation... It's easy enough to believe that drought, floods, hurricanes, and earthquakes are signs of a coming catastrophe from global warming, but these are normal variations of any climate that we -- and other forms of life -- have survived And In my amateur opinion, more attention to disease control, better hygienic conditions for food production and clean water supplies, as well as controlling the filth that we breathe from fossil fuel use, are problems that should distract us from fretting about baking in Global Warming http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/805-agw-revisited.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Liberals Should Back the Health Care Bill
I don't care how low they drive support for this with misinformation. The minute the president signs this bill, his approval will go up. Within a year, when the good things begin to happen, and the bad things they're saying will happen don't happen, approval will explode. -- Bill Clinton, quoted by The Economist, on President Obama's health care reform effort http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2009/08/bill_clinton_partisan.cfm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: I get it. do.rk wants what Obama wants which is what Joe Lieberman wants. A mandate to buy private insurance so the gluttonous corporate pigs get so fat they explode our economy. Isn't forcing Americans to buy a private product unconstitutional? Call it what it is, taxation without representation, which is exactly the inspiration for the Boston Tea Party. The Senate should screw Joe, revive the Public Option or Single Payer and push it though with reconciliation, a simple majority vote. But sadly, no. Today Obama kissed Joe's ass just so he can jam a crappy health care reform bill down our throats no matter what. Disgusting. Today Howard Dean said to kill the Senate bill and Jane Hamsher agreed with him. Must read: http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/15/kill-the-senate-bill/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Ezra Klein http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/is_the_senate_healt\ h-care_refo.html : On its own terms, the bill is the largest social policy achievement since the Great Society. It will save a lot of lives and prevent a lot of suffering. But moving forward, it also makes future improvements and expansions easier. A lot of the hard work of health-care reform -- in particular, the money for subsidies -- will finish this year. If reformers want to come back for the public option or more subsidies in a future year, they won't be doing it atop a $900 billion price tag that's being battered by tea parties and industry and everyone else. This bill doesn't have all the good stuff it should have, but reformers can stop fighting for what good stuff it does have and concentrate more intently on what good stuff is left to achieve. Ezra Klein also points out http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/the_unintended_cons\ equences_of.html that reconciliation will only allow the Senate to pass all the things that Lieberman hates, like the Public Option, but we cannot use it to pass insurance and other regulatory reforms that are still in the bill. The irony is that the strange workings of the reconciliation process would strip the bill of the parts that Lieberman, Snowe and others favor and replace them with the exact policies they oppose. I say pass the Liebermanized bill and let the President sign it. Then use reconciliation to get the rest. - Tim F: http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=31238 Nate Silver http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/12/why-progressives-are-batshit-cra\ zy-to.html : For any 'progressive' who is concerned about the inequality of wealth, income and opportunity in America, this bill would be an absolutely monumental achievement. The more compelling critique, rather, is that the bill would fail to significantly 'bend the cost curve'. I don't dismiss that criticism at all, and certainly the insertion of a public option would have helped at the margins. But fundamentally, that is a critique that would traditionally be associated with the conservative side of the debate, as it ultimately goes to mounting deficits in the wake of expanded government entitlements. Jonathan Cohn http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-treatment/what-public-option-supporters-won\ : Disappointed progressives may be wondering whether their efforts were a waste. They most decidedly were not. The campaign for the public option pushed the entire debate to the left -- and, to use a military metaphor, it diverted enemy fire away from the rest of the bill. If Lieberman and his allies didn't have the public option to attack, they would have tried to gut the subsidies, the exchanges, or some other key element. They would have hacked away at the bill, until it left more people uninsured and more people under-insured. The public option is the reason that didn't happen. http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/12/15/why_liberals_should_back_th\ e_health_care_bill.html http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/12/15/why_liberals_should_back_t\ he_health_care_bill.html http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/12/15/why_liberals_should_back_t\ he_health_care_bill.html
[FairfieldLife] One-pointed man love (was Re: Invincibility School with 1000 students)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Makes one wonder sometimes whether being one-pointed with regard to their love for Maharishi has a hidden phallic meaning. :-) I have plenty of friends who have female Teachers showing them the same reverence as many do for their male Teachers. I suppose it helps to be a dirty-old-man well beyond his prime, no longer sponge-worthy, stuck in old ways of thinking as well as knee-deep in a stale old religion, not to be able to see beyond gender in matters of spiritual guidance. Pathetic and quite revealing for his state of mind, but there you have him in a nutshell. He's a timecapsule that somehow stopped working sometime in the 70's. If in doubt all you have to do is to read some of what this sorry sex-fixated fellow writes here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Having discussed man love for MMY, let's talk woman love :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: [snip] * Created his entire organization without a single woman in a position of power, and ensured that no woman would *ever* be in a position of power in it. At the time of my Siddha course, the most powerful person in the UK org seemed to be Joy McConchie (spelling?). Only by sitting at her feet could you obtain the siddhis. I am not sure what her official position in the hierarchy was. I do remember she had a pretty intimidating *aura* about her.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Having discussed man love for MMY, let's talk woman love :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [snip] * Created his entire organization without a single woman in a position of power, and ensured that no woman would *ever* be in a position of power in it. At the time of my Siddha course, the most powerful person in the UK org seemed to be Joy McConchie (spelling?). Only by sitting at her feet could you obtain the siddhis. I am not sure what her official position in the hierarchy was. I do remember she had a pretty intimidating *aura* about her. There were a few teachers of advanced techniques and siddhis who were women, but they had no say in the organization as a whole and still do not. It is run by male Rajas who, interestingly enough, Maharishi made wear dresses as their uniforms. :-) To those who respond to my post by trotting out the rare example of a woman who became for a time visible in the TM organization, I would propose the same challenge feminists make to corporations that are clearly male-run and male-dominated: Show us a list of the female presidents, vice-presidents, and chairpersons of the board in your corporation. Let us interview them and ask how much say they have in the policies and in the direction of the corporation. If you cannot do this with the TMO, don't dare to suggest that it is less chauvinistic than the corporations who also could not respond to the challenge. The TMO is *shamefully* male chauvinist, and always has been. My point is simply that we don't hear the so-called feminists among its TBs pointing this out, or even admitting it. All I'm asking is, What's up with that, eh?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sceptic James Randi On Global Warming
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: If the worst fears of AGW believers come true, I hope that those delegates from the U.S., from Japan, from China, and from other industrialized nations that kept real emission reduction from being even *discussed* at this summit are the first to be dragged out of their homes into the streets and staked out on a beach somewhere, there to await the rising tide. ;-) The danger as I see it is the fixation on CO2. It's genuine pollution and water scarcity and famine and poverty that gets lost in all of this (not to mention the likelihood of a more nuclear world). In the popular imagination CO2 becomes emissions which becomes pollutants which becomes toxic which becomes poison. The BBC for example will typically illustrate the mention of CO2 with smoke and fumes pouring out of industrial chimney stacks. For sceptics, James Hansen of NASA is the arch villain. But in coming out against the Copenhagen jamboree and it's promotion of a market in carbon indulgences, he seems to me to be right about something at least! If you haven't seen it, I wonder if you would be interested in this article by A.A.Gill on Copenhagen: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/copenhagen/article6954391.ece http://tinyurl.com/ybdvvp2 His take: But, despite that, what makes the green movement triumphantly successful is that it has the most important and precious of things: it has a story. It is telling us our own saga, the adventure of saving the world. This has all the elements of a great myth, the impossible trials, the dragons and giants to be defeated, the magic seeds to be found, the wells and fountains of health and youth, the band of brothers, the implacable enemy. The princesses to be rescued. The kingdoms to be won. If you look at the global warming debate as simply the first draft of the first new creation myth to be invented in thousands of years, then you see why it's irresistible. Who wouldn't want to be part of their own fairy tale?
[FairfieldLife] Norway Spiral UFO: Failed Missile? Or Successful demonstration? Clif High interv
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Having discussed man love for MMY, let's talk woman love :-)
TurquoiseB wrote: There were a few teachers of advanced techniques and siddhis who were women, but they had no say in the organization as a whole and still do not... Everyone knows that Beaulah Smith was the only initiator in North America for years. She used to give all the initiations at SRM in Los Angeles. Also everyone knew that Helen Olsen really ran the TMO. On courses, the road manager was Ms. Pittman. It's only later that the men took over, under Nandakishore, after they kicked out Jerry and Debbie. If you had been in Maharishi's inner circle you would already know this, Turq. But, you wouldn't know anything about the Maharishi's private life by just hanging around outside the door or running errands for SIMS. Ned Wyn wanted to be the 'skin-boy' for the Maharishi, and he actually did carry the skin one time, but Ned got to spend less than six minutes alone with the Maharishi, in over seven years of service working for international. Read more: 'Beyond Gurus' By Nancy Cooke de Herrera Blue Dolphin, 1992 'Hermit in the House' By Helen Olsen Privately published, 1967 'The way to Maharishi's Himalayas' By Elsa Dragenmark Privately published, 1972 'We Will Always Live in Beverly Hills' By Ned Wynn Random House, 1993
[FairfieldLife] The Word - Skeletons in the Closet
Steven Colbert: How is the governor of Rhode Island supposed to rest in peace knowing that a couple of plots over two dudes are being gay dead? Very Funny. http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/256012/november-16-2009/the-word---skeletons-in-the-closet
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Liberals Should Back the Health Care Bill
Video Jane says, Kill the Bill. Firedoglake.com's Jane Hamsher on Joe Lieberman and Health Care Reform http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/16/morning-swim-december-16th-2009/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: I don't care how low they drive support for this with misinformation. The minute the president signs this bill, his approval will go up. Within a year, when the good things begin to happen, and the bad things they're saying will happen don't happen, approval will explode. -- Bill Clinton, quoted by The Economist, on President Obama's health care reform effort http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2009/08/bill_clinton_partisan.cfm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: I get it. do.rk wants what Obama wants which is what Joe Lieberman wants. A mandate to buy private insurance so the gluttonous corporate pigs get so fat they explode our economy. Isn't forcing Americans to buy a private product unconstitutional? Call it what it is, taxation without representation, which is exactly the inspiration for the Boston Tea Party. The Senate should screw Joe, revive the Public Option or Single Payer and push it though with reconciliation, a simple majority vote. But sadly, no. Today Obama kissed Joe's ass just so he can jam a crappy health care reform bill down our throats no matter what. Disgusting. Today Howard Dean said to kill the Senate bill and Jane Hamsher agreed with him. Must read: http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/15/kill-the-senate-bill/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Ezra Klein http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/is_the_senate_healt\ h-care_refo.html : On its own terms, the bill is the largest social policy achievement since the Great Society. It will save a lot of lives and prevent a lot of suffering. But moving forward, it also makes future improvements and expansions easier. A lot of the hard work of health-care reform -- in particular, the money for subsidies -- will finish this year. If reformers want to come back for the public option or more subsidies in a future year, they won't be doing it atop a $900 billion price tag that's being battered by tea parties and industry and everyone else. This bill doesn't have all the good stuff it should have, but reformers can stop fighting for what good stuff it does have and concentrate more intently on what good stuff is left to achieve. Ezra Klein also points out http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/the_unintended_cons\ equences_of.html that reconciliation will only allow the Senate to pass all the things that Lieberman hates, like the Public Option, but we cannot use it to pass insurance and other regulatory reforms that are still in the bill. The irony is that the strange workings of the reconciliation process would strip the bill of the parts that Lieberman, Snowe and others favor and replace them with the exact policies they oppose. I say pass the Liebermanized bill and let the President sign it. Then use reconciliation to get the rest. - Tim F: http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=31238 Nate Silver http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/12/why-progressives-are-batshit-cra\ zy-to.html : For any 'progressive' who is concerned about the inequality of wealth, income and opportunity in America, this bill would be an absolutely monumental achievement. The more compelling critique, rather, is that the bill would fail to significantly 'bend the cost curve'. I don't dismiss that criticism at all, and certainly the insertion of a public option would have helped at the margins. But fundamentally, that is a critique that would traditionally be associated with the conservative side of the debate, as it ultimately goes to mounting deficits in the wake of expanded government entitlements. Jonathan Cohn http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-treatment/what-public-option-supporters-won\ : Disappointed progressives may be wondering whether their efforts were a waste. They most decidedly were not. The campaign for the public option pushed the entire debate to the left -- and, to use a military metaphor, it diverted enemy fire away from the rest of the bill. If Lieberman and his allies didn't have the public option to attack, they would have tried to gut the subsidies, the exchanges, or some other key element. They would have hacked away at the bill, until it left more people uninsured and more people under-insured. The public option is the reason that didn't happen. http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/12/15/why_liberals_should_back_th\ e_health_care_bill.html http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/12/15/why_liberals_should_back_t\
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Joe Lieberman is a terrorist
No, the statement should stand as it is so Bhairitu can be labled *thief* for wanting to rob Peter to pay for Paul's insurance. From: ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@netscape.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 8:45:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Joe Lieberman is a terrorist --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Bhairitu noozg...@.. . wrote: If there is anyone who is a terrorist in the United States then it has to be Joe Lieberman. What a shameful, selfish man. He is the epitome of ego and greed. He should be arrested and tried as a terrorist. This puppet of the money masters wants to stand in the way of a public option. Well he should pay the price and I'm sure he will. I don't think he cares that much. Remember that the Democrats abandoned him and he got elected as an independent. But why he would be a terrorist I don't know. You will probably want to retract such a statement before you lose any little credibility you have left.
[FairfieldLife] Healthcare's Home Stretch
Healthcare's Home Stretch By Kevin Drum http://motherjones.com/authors/kevin-drum [image image-_original] With the public option now out of the healthcare bill, is it still worth passing? Regular readers will be unsurprised that I think the answer is pretty firmly yesand that liberals who now want to pick up their toys and hand reform its sixth defeat in the past century need to wake up and smell the decaf. Politics sucks. It always has. But the bill in front of usmessy, incomplete, and replete with bribes to every interest group imaginableis still well worth passing. First, here's me a few months ago: http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2009/07/community-rating If you combine (a) Medicare, (b) our current employer-based insurance regime, and (c) community rating along with subsidies for low-income families, you've essentially institutionalized universal healthcare insurance. Not everyone will take advantage of itthere will always be a few people who go without coverage even if it's affordableand you still a need a few other things like out-of-pocket caps. Still, it's basically a statement that everyone in the country can and should be covered. And once that becomes a cultural norm, it will never go away. Even without the public option, which can be added on to the current legislative framework later if we stay on the ball and scrape up the votes for it, we're still getting community rating and subsidies for low- and middle-income families. That's huge. And here's Ezra Klein: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/is_the_senate_healt\ h-care_refo.html This is a good bill, Sen. Sherrod Brown said on Countdown last night. Not a great bill, but a good bill. That's about right. But the other piece to remember is that more than it's a good bill, it's a good start. With $900 billion in subsidies already in place, it's easier to add another hundred billion later, if we need it, than it would be to pass $1 trillion in subsidies in 2011. With the exchanges built and private insurers unable to hold down costs, it's easier to argue for adding a strong public option to the market than it was before we'd tried regulation and a new competitive structure. With 95 percent of the country covered, it's easier to go the final 5 percent. And with a health-care reform bill actually passed, it's easier to convince legislators that passing such bills is possible. On its own terms, the bill is the most important social policy achievement since the Great Society. It will save a lot of lives and prevent a lot of suffering. Ten years ago this bill would have seemed a godsend. The fact that it doesn't now is a reflection of higher aspirations from the left, and that's great. It demonstrates a resurgence of liberalism that's long overdue. But this is still a huge achievement that will benefits tens of millions of people in very concrete ways and will do it without expanding our long-term deficit. Either with or without a public option, this is more than Bill Clinton ever did, more than Teddy Kennedy did, more than LBJ did, more than Truman did, and more than FDR did. There won't be many other times in our lives any of us will be able to say that. So pass the bill. The longer we wait, the worse it will get. Pass it now. http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2009/12/healthcares-home-stretch
[FairfieldLife] but not as bad as Arnold
The idiot prince flies a private jet to Copenhagen to give a speech on global warming. When are you people going to realize that you've been had by a bunch of hucksters? As silly as Prince Charles is, he isn't half as bad as Arnold who flies back and forth between Los Angeles and Sacramento on a daily basis in his private jet to be close to his family. What a joke. PRINCE CHARLES: EXECUTIVE JET WITH BIG CARBON FOOTPRINT GETS HIM TO CLIMATE CHANGE TALKS[Story Image] Prince Charles travelled to Copenhagen on an executive jet to make a speech on climate change /myexpress/ Wednesday December 16,2009 By Richard Palmer [Comment Speech Bubble] Have your say(11) /comments/add/146265 PRINCE Charles used up seven months' worth of the average British person's carbon footprint yesterday flying to Copenhagen on an executive jet to make a speech on climate change. The heir to the throne, who prides himself on his green credentials, cost taxpayers http://www.express.co.uk/search/taxpayers/ an estimated £12,000 and racked up a 6.486-ton carbon footprint in one day by taking a seven-seater RAF Royal Flight HS125 jet to the summit in the Danish capital. Charles http://www.express.co.uk/search/Prince%20Charles/ , who made an impassioned speech to world leaders on the need to agree drastic cuts in carbon emissions, decided against taking a more environmentally-friendly train or scheduled airliner, arguing it was impractical. We looked at the possibility of flying scheduled but due to the usual considerations of security, punctuality we could not afford a delayed or cancelled flight and practicality, using the Royal Flight was seen as the best option, his spokesman said. Similar trips in the last couple of years have cost £12,000. The Prince, who will offset the pollution he caused by using taxpayers' money to invest in environmentally-friendly initiatives, generates an annual carbon footprint of 2,601 tons, compared to 11 tons for an average UK citizen. He was one of numerous VIPs at the £130million summit, which will generate 40,500 tons of carbon dioxide over 12 days, the equivalent to the emissions of York, Portsmouth or the African country of Malawi in the same period. Charles told politicians they had only seven years to prevent irreversible man-made weather changes. I can only appeal to you to listen to the cries of those who are already suffering from the impact of climate change, he said. SEARCH UK NEWS for: Just as mankind had the power to push the world to the brink, so too do we have the power to bring it back into balance. You have been called to positions of responsibility at this critical time. The eyes of the world are upon you and it is no understatement to say that, with your signatures, you can write our future. Charles, who has campaigned on environmental issues for three decades, warned of the dangers of climate change creating human catastrophes. But as he spoke, his efforts to broker an international deal for rich countries to pay poor countries to preserve their rainforests a vital source of soaking up carbon dioxide were unravelling. Developed nations refused to pay enough into a £20billion pot and Third World countries refused to stick to targets to reduce deforestation. Charles said it was easy to focus on worst-case scenarios, but added: Take a moment to consider the opportunities if we succeed. Imagine a healthier, safer and more sustainable, economically robust world. Because if we share in that vision, we can share the will to action that is now required. He believed man's future could only be assured if people found ways of living as part of nature. He warned: Climate change http://www.express.co.uk/search/climate%20change/ is a risk-multiplier. It has the potential to take all the other critical issues we face as a global community and transform their severity into a cataclysm. Reducing poverty, increasing food production, combating terrorism and sustaining economic development are all vital priorities, but it is increasingly clear how rapid climate change will make them even more difficult to address. In a poll of Daily Express readers yesterday 98 per cent said they believed Britons are being conned over man-made global warming theories.
[FairfieldLife] Barry Wright surpasses his usual silliness
One of the clearest, most concise, and to-the-point observations on Global Warming that I've seen. James Randi is right on. However, I am more than amused that our resident believer in levitation, Barry Wright, tries to get in a few jabs at TMers, attempting to insinuate that TM TBers are going to have a knee-jerk reaction against Randi because of his previous anti-TM declarations WHEN IT IS BARRY WRIGHT WHOM JAMES RANDI WOULD DECLARE AS NUTCASE #1 WELL BEFORE HE WOULD ANY TMer! James Randi has been on a personal crusade against suggestions that levitation is real for the past 30 years. Barry Wright actually believes, to this day, that he has witnessed levitation countless times (don't take MY word for it; ask the lunatic; he'll be more than happy to tell you himself). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Richard, I think it will be interesting to see who reacts to these quotes negatively. I find them measured, balanced, and pretty much what I feel about the issue. I could not agree more with his last statement below; the dangers he cites are known and undisputed, and could be acted upon today. There just isn't enough hard science *yet* to make global warming supercede them in importance. But I suspect -- as you have been pointing out -- that a few people are going to attempt to demonize Randi 1) because he didn't think much of TM and they bear him a grudge, and 2) because his stance challenges the attachment they feel towards their own supposed certainty on this issue. I have no dog in this fight. I certainly don't know the truth about AGW, and I don't think that there is enough hard evidence for *anyone* to know it. Therefore, when I hear people claim- ing to be certain -- on *either* side -- I react to them pretty much the same way I do when people claim certainty about spiritual matters. I laugh, and write them off as fanatics. *At the same time*, I think the performance of the largest industrialized nations at this climate change summit is nothing short of disgraceful, and fully support the African nations and others who have threatened to walk out. By making sure that enforceable options to reduce emissions are never discussed, the largest nations demonstrate their true allegiance clearly -- to the almighty buck, no matter what that might mean to the rest of the world. If the worst fears of AGW believers come true, I hope that those delegates from the U.S., from Japan, from China, and from other industrialized nations that kept real emission reduction from being even *discussed* at this summit are the first to be dragged out of their homes into the streets and staked out on a beach somewhere, there to await the rising tide. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote: The myriad of influences that act upon Earth are so many and so variable -- though not capricious -- that I believe we simply cannot formulate an equation into which we enter variables and come up with an answer. A living planet will continually belch, vibrate, fracture, and crumble a bit, and thus defeat an accurate equation. Please note that this my amateur opinion, based on probably insufficient data. And CO2 is a natural molecule absolutely required for plant life to survive, and in the process of growing, those plants give off oxygen. We -- and all animal life -- consume that oxygen and give off CO2 And ...as far as humans are concerned, ten times more people die each year from the effects of cold than die from the heat. This a hugely complex set of variables we are trying to reduce to an equation... It's easy enough to believe that drought, floods, hurricanes, and earthquakes are signs of a coming catastrophe from global warming, but these are normal variations of any climate that we -- and other forms of life -- have survived And In my amateur opinion, more attention to disease control, better hygienic conditions for food production and clean water supplies, as well as controlling the filth that we breathe from fossil fuel use, are problems that should distract us from fretting about baking in Global Warming http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/805-agw-revisited.html
[FairfieldLife] Share International News Release, December 2009
Share International News Release, December 2009 Spiral light over Norway the `star' that heralds Maitreya's emergence The enormous, spiral light with its glowing centre, seen over Norway on 9 December 2009, has excited and baffled thousands of Norwegians including astronomical experts. What does it mean? On 12 December 2008 Share International Foundation announced that a large, bright `star'-like object would soon be seen in the sky. It is a sign heralding the imminent appearance of Maitreya, the World Teacher, on His first television interview, which will take place in the USA. The `star' is really one of four enormous spacecraft placed around the world. Since December 2008 numerous sightings of the `star' have been reported on YouTube and television news programmes. Share International magazine has received hundreds of photographs showing the `star' in a variety of stunning colours and shapes. The huge spiral manifestation over Norway is an extension of the work of these spacecraft and is irrefutable evidence of their reality. Our information is that further such manifestations are planned for the near future. For more information watch `The star sign' video on YouTube and visit Share International website: www.share-international.org http://www.share-international.org/ Background information: For over 30 years artist, author and lecturer Benjamin Creme has been preparing the way for the biggest event in history the emergence of Maitreya the World Teacher, and His group, the Masters of Wisdom. Millions of people have heard his information and wait expectantly for this momentous event. Since 19 July 1977 Maitreya has been living in the Asian community of London, gradually emerging before the public. Long-awaited by all faiths under different names, Maitreya is the World Teacher for all people, religious or not. He has not come to found a new religion but as an educator in the broadest sense. His message can be summarized as: Share and save the world. For those who seek signs of His coming, Maitreya has manifested miracles worldwide, touching the hearts of millions and preparing them for His imminent appearance. With Maitreya and His group working openly in the world, offering Their guidance and teachings, humanity is assured not only of survival but of the creation of a brilliant new civilization.
[FairfieldLife] November housing construction up 8.9 percent
WASHINGTON Construction of new homes, helped by better weather, rebounded in November following a setback in the previous month. The gain is a hopeful sign that the housing recovery is continuing, a development viewed as critical to lifting the overall economy out of recession. The Commerce Department says construction of new homes and apartments rose 8.9 percent in November to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 574,000 units. The gain represented strength in all areas of the country although the increase was slightly lower than economists had expected. Applications for new building permits were also up, rising 6 percent to an annual rate of 584,000 units, a stronger showing than economists predicted. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091216/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/us_housing_starts
[FairfieldLife] Re: Having discussed man love for MMY, let's talk woman love :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Having suggested -- just for fun, you understand -- that the guys who indulge in obsessive, devotional love for Maharishi just might have a few loafers in their closets that they're light in when they do so, let's talk about the same obsessive, devotional, overly-protective love for Maharishi when expressed by...uh...women. For example, take two women who whine endlessly on this forum about misogyny, and how men have kept women down and treated them like shit for centuries. These women *go out of their way* to characterize any man they don't like *as* a misogynist and a male-chauvinist pig to demonize them. Actually, it's not any man they don't like. There are plenty of men on this forum I don't care for, but I don't characterize them as misogynists, because they don't, you know, exhibit misogyny. Raunchy can speak for herself, but I've never seen her accuse any man of misogyny except when they've exhibited misogyny. And yet. These *same* women are often first into the fray when Maharishi himself is criticized. They leap into battle and protect his holy name and memory with *exactly* the same fervor as the closeted guys. So what's up with that, eh? Do we defend him from the charge that he was a male chauvinist? Do we try to justify his dalliances with women? Do we try to justify *any* of the behaviors that Barry goes on to list? Are these criticisms, in fact, what we leap into the fray to protect him from? Let's analyze it. These women are acting out their overly-protective, obsessive, devotional love for a MAN who: Barry's formulations that follow are, of course, significantly hyperbolic, but only one of them is factually inaccurate, as noted below. * Created his entire organization without a single woman in a position of power, and ensured that no woman would *ever* be in a position of power in it. * Reputedly indulged in affairs with innocent (in at least one case virginal) women, kept these affairs secret, and when he was done with the women, threw them away like so much used Kleenex in a manner that makes Tiger Woods look like a saint. * Gave any number of public lectures (some still available on tape) in which he defined the ideal life of a woman as becoming a wife and mother, and sacrificing herself and her desires to do whatever her husband told her to do, thus creating an ideal family. * When he rarely suggested that one of his students had actually achieved the enlightenment he promised, never once (as far as I know) did he publicly suggest this about one of his women students. It was always a man. On this point, Barry's simply mistaken. He seems to have forgotten the lengthy discussion we had back on alt.m.t about the tape featuring a woman in a blue dress, in which MMY announces that she has just achieved cosmic consciousness. (I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it on FFL as well, but I can't find anything in the archives. As I recall, others here remembered the tape too.) * Forced the women in his presence to dress the way *he* wanted them to dress, covered from head to toe, preferably in costumes (saris) that had no relation- ship to their own culture. The women didn't even get to choose their own way of dressing. * Proposed an idealized role for women that was based on 1) being either married or celibate, 2) if married being subordinate to and obedient to their husbands, and 3) having no power and no voice in the spiritual organization they were part of. And yet, whenever Maharishi's holy memory is criticized on this forum, these two feminists rush to protect his holy memory and to demonize the critics as male chauvinist pigs and misogynists. Uh...we demonize them as chauvinists whenever they criticize MMY for being a chauvinist? I don't think that's quite what Barry meant to say. I *hope* it isn't what he was trying to say. I hope his mind isn't *that* disordered yet. I suspect what he is incoherently suggesting is that we wouldn't criticize any of the men here for being misogynists if those men never criticized MMY. At least that makes sense as a logical proposition, even if it's not only absurd as a premise but factually completely false. Go figure. I guess everyone can make exceptions for those they somehow feel deserve to be exceptions. In most men, these women would find the actions listed above reprehensible and misogynistic. In Maharishi, they find them admirable. Go figure. I mean, go figure. If Barry were sane, I'd ask that he provide examples of either Raunchy or I saying we find the actions he lists to be admirable. But he isn't sane. He's fantasized that we have said they're admirable, and blocked completely from his memory all the times we've said the opposite. Or he's just lying, despite the fact that everyone here knows none of it is true. Way to polish your image as an honest critic, Barry. Go figure. I
[FairfieldLife] New magazine published
[Non Scientist Cover]
Re: [FairfieldLife] New magazine published
Oh yeah. Exxon puts this out. On Dec 16, 2009, at 10:49 AM, ShempMcGurk wrote:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Joe Lieberman is a terrorist
Bhairitu wrote: Look what he is doing... What Leiberman is doing makes a lot of sense: Improve the economy so that everyone is employed, making good money, with the option of a group health insurance plan or a private plan. Bring down the high cost of health care, and thus lower health care insurance premiums. Increase health care insurance options by allowing insurance companies to operate across state lines. Pass legislation supporting tort reform. Allow the importation of reduced cost prescription medications. It doesn't make any sense to pass a bill that increases the national debt, raises insurance premiums, and increases the cost of health care. It doesn't make any sense to raise personal payroll taxes in a recession. It makes no sense at all to accuse congressional leaders of terrorism while at the same time, you're advocating a new world order of socialism.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sceptic James Randi On Global Warming
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: The myriad of influences that act upon Earth are so many and so variable -- though not capricious -- that I believe we simply cannot formulate an equation into which we enter variables and come up with an answer. A living planet will continually belch, vibrate, fracture, and crumble a bit, and thus defeat an accurate equation. Please note that this my amateur opinion, based on probably insufficient data. Luckily he mentions it's an amateur opinion based on insufficient data in the opening paragraph, this is the best case for scientists sticking to their field I've read in a long time. And CO2 is a natural molecule absolutely required for plant life to survive, and in the process of growing, those plants give off oxygen. We -- and all animal life -- consume that oxygen and give off CO2 No kidding! Was this ever in doubt? And ...as far as humans are concerned, ten times more people die each year from the effects of cold than die from the heat. This a hugely complex set of variables we are trying to reduce to an equation... Hugely irrelevant to GW It's easy enough to believe that drought, floods, hurricanes, and earthquakes are signs of a coming catastrophe from global warming, but these are normal variations of any climate that we -- and other forms of life -- have survived When he says we he means some. The whole point about GW is that rising temeratures raise sea levels and alter weather patterns rendering once arable land into desert. And making millions homeless plus tropical diseases spread etc. Sure it's happened before but it wasn't a bed of roses, climate change is one of the main engines of evolution simply because it exterminates species that cannot adapt quickly enough. Our culture will prove to be one such species. Couple GW to peak oil and overpopulation, lack of fresh water and farmland etc. and it's looking pretty bad for Homo S. Or at least for our throw-away expansion based economy, wouldn't be so bad if anyone cared enough to change but they don't so whatever the worst case scenario is we are going to see it. And In my amateur opinion, more attention to disease control, better hygienic conditions for food production and clean water supplies, as well as controlling the filth that we breathe from fossil fuel use, are problems that should distract us from fretting about baking in Global Warming ANY attention on our problems is a help but he really doesn't get how bad just a sea level rise of a few feet would be. Still, at least he's aware that it's an amateur opinion and not a serious contribution to the debate. http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/805-agw-revisited.html There's more: Earth has undergone many serious changes in climate, from the Ice Ages to periods of heavily increased plant growth from their high levels of CO2, yet the biosphere has survived. No-one ever said the biosphere won't survive! Just that adapting to the changes will be disastrous for millions and expensive (to say the least). Not doing anything because the world has been through it before is dumber than dumb. The noughties are the hottest decade on record, the glaciers are in retreat, the north west passage is now free of ice! We're adaptable, stubborn, and persistent -- and we have what other life forms don't have: we can manipulate our environment. Show me an Inuit who can survive in his habitat without warm clothing... Humans will continue to infest Earth because we're smart. Maybe not so smart. I think JR should stick to debunking the fraudulent and deluded.
[FairfieldLife] Climate science - why the scepticism?
By Ben Goldacre. (And it's worth a read IMHO) So as we career towards a mediocre outcome in Copenhagen, why do roughly half the people in this country not believe in man-made climate change, when the overwhelming majority of scientists do? Firstly we have the psychological issues. We're predisposed to undervalue adverse outcomes which are a long way off, especially if we might be old or dead soon. We're inherently predisposed to find cracks in evidence that suggests we should do something we don't want to do, hence the enduring appeal of stories about alcohol being good for you. Suggesting that personal behaviour change will have a big role to play, when we know that telling people to do the right thing is a weak way to change behaviour, is an incomplete story: you need policy changes to make better behaviour easier, and we all understand that fresh fruit on sale at schools is more effective than telling children not to eat sweets. This is exacerbated because climate science is difficult. We could discuss everything you needed to know about MMR and autism in an hour. Climate change will take two days of your life, for a relatively superficial understanding: if you're interested, I'd recommend the IPCC website. On top of that, we don't trust governments on science, because we know they distort it. We see that a minister will sack Professor David Nutt, if the evidence on the relative harms of drugs is not to the government's taste. We see the government brandish laughable reports to justify DNA retention by the police with flawed figures, suspicious missing data, and bogus arguments. We know that evidence-based policy is window dressing, so now, when they want us to believe them on climate science, we doubt. Then, of course, the media privilege foolish contrarian views because they have novelty value, and also because established views get confused with establishment views, and anyone who comes along to have a pop at those gets David v Goliath swagger. But the key to all of this is the recurring mischief of criticisms mounted against climate change. I am very happy to affirm that I am not a giant expert on climate change: I know a bit, and I know that there's not yet been a giant global conspiracy involving almost every scientist in the world (although I'd welcome examples). More than all that, I can spot the same rhetorical themes re-emerging in climate change foolishness that you see in aids denialism, homeopathy, and anti-vaccination conspiracy theorists. Among all these, reigning supreme, is the zombie argument: arguments which survive to be raised again, for eternity, no matter how many times they are shot down. Homeopathy worked for me, and the rest. Zombie arguments survive, immortal and resistant to all refutation, because they do not live or die by the normal standards of mortal arguments. There's a huge list of them at realclimate.org, with refutations. There are huge lists of them everywhere. It makes no difference. CO2 isn't an important greenhouse gas, Global warming is down to the sun, what about the cooling in the 1940s? says your party bore. Well, you reply, since the last time you raised this, I checked, and there were loads of sulphites in the air in the 1940s to block out the sun, made from the slightly different kind of industrial pollution we had then, and the odd volcano, so that's been answered already, ages ago. And they knew that. And you know they knew you could find out, but they went ahead anyway and wasted your time, and worse than that, you both know they're going to do it again, to some other poor sap. And that is rude. From Ben Goldacre's Bad Science column here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/12/bad-science-goldacre-climate-change
[FairfieldLife] Re: Healthcare's Home Stench
Howard Dean's money quote: This is essentially the collapse of health care reform in the United States Senate. Honestly the best thing to do right now is kill the Senate bill, go back to the House, start the reconciliation process, where you only need 51 votes and it would be a much simpler bill. In other words Obama and Harry Reid do not need to suck up to Joe Lieberman. Just get it done with reconciliation. That's all the Democrats ever needed to do. The Republicans were never going to do anything except carry water for the insurance industry anyway. So why bother trying to play footsie with them? RD http://www.taylormarsh.com/2009/12/15/howard-dean-best-thing-to-do-is-kill-the-senate-bill/#comments --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Healthcare's Home Stretch By Kevin Drum http://motherjones.com/authors/kevin-drum [image image-_original] With the public option now out of the healthcare bill, is it still worth passing? Regular readers will be unsurprised that I think the answer is pretty firmly yesand that liberals who now want to pick up their toys and hand reform its sixth defeat in the past century need to wake up and smell the decaf. Politics sucks. It always has. But the bill in front of usmessy, incomplete, and replete with bribes to every interest group imaginableis still well worth passing. First, here's me a few months ago: http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2009/07/community-rating If you combine (a) Medicare, (b) our current employer-based insurance regime, and (c) community rating along with subsidies for low-income families, you've essentially institutionalized universal healthcare insurance. Not everyone will take advantage of itthere will always be a few people who go without coverage even if it's affordableand you still a need a few other things like out-of-pocket caps. Still, it's basically a statement that everyone in the country can and should be covered. And once that becomes a cultural norm, it will never go away. Even without the public option, which can be added on to the current legislative framework later if we stay on the ball and scrape up the votes for it, we're still getting community rating and subsidies for low- and middle-income families. That's huge. And here's Ezra Klein: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/is_the_senate_healt\ h-care_refo.html This is a good bill, Sen. Sherrod Brown said on Countdown last night. Not a great bill, but a good bill. That's about right. But the other piece to remember is that more than it's a good bill, it's a good start. With $900 billion in subsidies already in place, it's easier to add another hundred billion later, if we need it, than it would be to pass $1 trillion in subsidies in 2011. With the exchanges built and private insurers unable to hold down costs, it's easier to argue for adding a strong public option to the market than it was before we'd tried regulation and a new competitive structure. With 95 percent of the country covered, it's easier to go the final 5 percent. And with a health-care reform bill actually passed, it's easier to convince legislators that passing such bills is possible. On its own terms, the bill is the most important social policy achievement since the Great Society. It will save a lot of lives and prevent a lot of suffering. Ten years ago this bill would have seemed a godsend. The fact that it doesn't now is a reflection of higher aspirations from the left, and that's great. It demonstrates a resurgence of liberalism that's long overdue. But this is still a huge achievement that will benefits tens of millions of people in very concrete ways and will do it without expanding our long-term deficit. Either with or without a public option, this is more than Bill Clinton ever did, more than Teddy Kennedy did, more than LBJ did, more than Truman did, and more than FDR did. There won't be many other times in our lives any of us will be able to say that. So pass the bill. The longer we wait, the worse it will get. Pass it now. http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2009/12/healthcares-home-stretch
[FairfieldLife] Re: New magazine published
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Oh yeah. Exxon puts this out. That's right, and they're EVIL and have no right to do such a thing!!! Gads!
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_re...@... wrote: One contingent is contending to take the proceeds, buy prime land cheaper in South America through the TMo down there, farm it 'organically' with cheap labor as an enlightened movement business supporting the TMo Why does the TMO need constant support from businesses? It has a good meditation technique and teachers who have left the movement have demonstrated that it's possible to build a viable business on the basis of a valued service. There should be no need for endless begging for money. The TMO has in effect become a fund raising and property development business with a small sideline in spiritual development and in time the small sideline will die out. Teaching Meditation, Credulous Donors, Vanity Projects the 'Nut Jobs in Crowns'. Yes, goes back to your combined critique about credulous donors, vanity projects and nut jobs in crowns (robes too). Sucking money out of credulous donors evidently was a type of viable business model that Maharishi could pull off.Obviously is different going on now with the demise of Maharishi and things will take different controls since Maharishi's. Seems viable assets they got could be 1) TM 2)Consciousness-based education (the schools). Some health products, The Raj, some publishing (all related), and then whatever real assets left they have found. Most everything left over like that downtown Manhattan building are those kind of assets that cost money or time to keep and not necessarily in their line of business' hence in discovery they're now liking to sell. The vanity assets that are not really in the core business but become distractions that drag on the core it seems are on the block. Either wasting money, time of the remaining core business or of (credulous) donor supporters. Then as a category there are those other ethereal meditation-programming 'assets' like Purusha, MD, pundits too requiring budgets to run, costing cash to keep up, yet also generate funds from credulous well-wishing supporters. These are defining in their way that run along with the other meditation assets. Special in their way with the meditation business and with credulous supporters. These assets regardless, their 2010 'business' model hinges a lot on the management of nut jobs in crowns balancing meditation, credulous donors, vanity projects,. Is interesting if for no other reason that they have effects on a lot of people still. Anybody seen a 2009 balance sheet and income statement for any of the TM entities? Would they have the courage to publish them? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/236703
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1957
1961 Maharishi's Year of Teacher Training. Maharishi's inspiration to multiply himself by training teachers of Transcendental Meditation: the first international course is held in Rishikesh, India. 1960 Maharishi's Year of Cosmic Consciousness. Maharishi explains experiences of Transcendental Meditation in terms of Cosmic Consciousness. In London, Maharishi inaugurates his First Three Year Plan to spiritually regenerate the world. 1959 Maharishi's Year of Global Awakening Maharishi starts to teach Transcendental Meditation around the world. 1958 Maharishi's Year of Spiritual Regeneration Movement. Inspired to raise the quality of life in the world through the practice of Transcendental Meditation, Maharishi inaugurates the Spiritual Regeneration Movement to spiritually regenerate mankind. 1957 Maharishi's Year of Transcendental Meditation Maharishi evolves a simple, natural practice for the mind to come to a balanced state, and thereby gain the ability to spontaneously function in accord with all the laws of nature. This was the year of revival of Yog, philosophy and practice; this was the year of revival of Vedic wisdom for perfection in life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sceptic James Randi On Global Warming
I suspect Randi will come to deeply regret this post. Even some of his groupie commenters are appalled by its ignorance and faulty logic. I hate to think what the climate scientists on RealClimate.org will do to it if they get hold of it. I've long been skeptical of Randi's reliability as a skeptic (well before I'd ever heard of TM, Barry, sorry). He's done some excellent debunking work, but he has not always been on the side of the angels (nor have his ideological offspring at CSICOP, but I'm wildly curious to know what *they're* going to think of his current denialist leanings). At any rate, I have the distinct feeling that some of his most ardent supporters will begin to question their devotion once the substance of this post becomes widely known. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: The myriad of influences that act upon Earth are so many and so variable -- though not capricious -- that I believe we simply cannot formulate an equation into which we enter variables and come up with an answer. A living planet will continually belch, vibrate, fracture, and crumble a bit, and thus defeat an accurate equation. Please note that this my amateur opinion, based on probably insufficient data. At least this last sentence is accurate. And CO2 is a natural molecule absolutely required for plant life to survive, and in the process of growing, those plants give off oxygen. We -- and all animal life -- consume that oxygen and give off CO2 True, but utterly irrelevant in this context. And ...as far as humans are concerned, ten times more people die each year from the effects of cold than die from the heat. Not true. (Also completely irrelevant.) http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12146 This a hugely complex set of variables we are trying to reduce to an equation... It's easy enough to believe that drought, floods, hurricanes, and earthquakes are signs of a coming catastrophe from global warming, but these are normal variations of any climate that we -- and other forms of life -- have survived Straw man. And In my amateur opinion, more attention to disease control, better hygienic conditions for food production and clean water supplies, as well as controlling the filth that we breathe from fossil fuel use, are problems that should distract us from fretting about baking in Global Warming In fact, global warming will *result in* or *aggravate* such problems. In many cases, it is already doing so. Focusing on these problems rather than their cause is a classic case of the futility of trying to address the problem on the level of the problem. If we want to clean them up, the most effective approach is to put a priority on dealing with global warming. http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/805-agw-revisited.html Additionally, Randi's support for the Petition Project (in his post, but not quoted here) calls his purported commitment to authentic skepticism in serious question. It's been thoroughly debunked in other posts here, so I won't go into it; suffice it to say that if Randi had done his homework, he'd know better.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Joe Lieberman is a terrorist
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: If there is anyone who is a terrorist in the United States then it has to be Joe Lieberman. Don't be silly. Joe Lieberman is an angry old man whose time passed him by long ago and who will now do anything he can to attract the attention he craves so desperately. He will even threaten a filibuster -- which, after all, is just talking because one can, to no one because no one is listening, for no other reason than to talk, talk, talk, and to keep others from saying anything more interesting or useful. In other words, he is the political counterpart of Judy Stein. :-) I don't know about silly but I was not original. Thom Hartmann called Lieberman a terrorist yesterday and I think he picked it up from other commentators. But no one here has pointed out of the irony of it: Lieberman is Chairman and former Ranking Member of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Healthcare's Home Stench
Boy did Thom Hartmann really rag on this in his opening this morning. Can't blame him at all. We have the corporatist health care companies getting what they want a whole bunch of new customers to rip off and forced to buy insurance from them by the government. Maybe it is time for real revolution in this country. raunchydog wrote: Howard Dean's money quote: This is essentially the collapse of health care reform in the United States Senate. Honestly the best thing to do right now is kill the Senate bill, go back to the House, start the reconciliation process, where you only need 51 votes and it would be a much simpler bill. In other words Obama and Harry Reid do not need to suck up to Joe Lieberman. Just get it done with reconciliation. That's all the Democrats ever needed to do. The Republicans were never going to do anything except carry water for the insurance industry anyway. So why bother trying to play footsie with them? RD http://www.taylormarsh.com/2009/12/15/howard-dean-best-thing-to-do-is-kill-the-senate-bill/#comments -
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sceptic James Randi On Global Warming
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: I suspect Randi will come to deeply regret this post. Even some of his groupie commenters are appalled by its ignorance and faulty logic. I hate to think what the climate scientists on RealClimate.org will do to it if they get hold of it. Have a good laugh I should think. I've always been a big fan of Randi and I admire his willingness to put his money where his mouth is so I'm interested in why you say he hasn't always been on the side of the angels. Care to expand? I know he gets a lot of criticism from people who fail his million dollar challenge but all the tests he does are worked out with the agreement of the testee that it's within their powers. Be interested to hear a counter argument. I saw him do a demolition of mediums once. He was introduced under a fake name (I recognized him which spoiled the fun for me)and proceeded to make every appearance of reading minds and communicating with the dead. He then unmasked himself as an illusionist and sceptic and revealed that he had got hold of the audience list and done some simple research. His argument was that if he could do it then other mediums must be! The genuine mediums were all outraged of course, but it has to be said the real ones weren't as convincing. All good clean fun.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Joe Lieberman is a terrorist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: If there is anyone who is a terrorist in the United States then it has to be Joe Lieberman. Don't be silly. Joe Lieberman is an angry old man whose time passed him by long ago and who will now do anything he can to attract the attention he craves so desperately. He will even threaten a filibuster -- which, after all, is just talking because one can, to no one because no one is listening, for no other reason than to talk, talk, talk, and to keep others from saying anything more interesting or useful. Think anyone will point out to Barry that the old Jimmy Stewart-style talk-till-you-drop kind of filibuster he's imagining for Lieberman hasn't been used in decades? It's a fossil. Sorta like Barry. ;-) In other words, he is the political counterpart of Judy Stein. :-) I don't know about silly but I was not original. No, you weren't. It's a common meme now on the left. The reference is to the thousands of people who are said to die every year because of how f*cked up our health care/insurance system is. Thom Hartmann called Lieberman a terrorist yesterday and I think he picked it up from other commentators. But no one here has pointed out of the irony of it: Lieberman is Chairman and former Ranking Member of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, I think everyone's aware of this, Bhairitu. It's why the terrorist meme has caught on so fast.
[FairfieldLife] Shemp, sell your house!
Shemp mentions occasionally that efforts to combat global warming will result in the loss of millions of lives. GW is already causing loss of life due to storms, more severe flooding in places like Bangladesh, etc., and we ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait until millions of climate refugees start fleeing their home areas. Wait until water wars begin to break out. Wait until much of India is waterless due to loss of Himalayan glaciers. And the American West, which is already in a prolonged drought, will be increasingly unlivable if insufficient snow falls in the mountains each winter. If I were Shemp, I'd cash in and leave Phoenix while he has a chance.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Joe Lieberman is a terrorist
This kind of attitude you have is why the US is doomed. Mike Dixon wrote: No, the statement should stand as it is so Bhairitu can be labled *thief* for wanting to rob Peter to pay for Paul's insurance. From: ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@netscape.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 8:45:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Joe Lieberman is a terrorist --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Bhairitu noozg...@.. . wrote: If there is anyone who is a terrorist in the United States then it has to be Joe Lieberman. What a shameful, selfish man. He is the epitome of ego and greed. He should be arrested and tried as a terrorist. This puppet of the money masters wants to stand in the way of a public option. Well he should pay the price and I'm sure he will. I don't think he cares that much. Remember that the Democrats abandoned him and he got elected as an independent. But why he would be a terrorist I don't know. You will probably want to retract such a statement before you lose any little credibility you have left.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sceptic James Randi On Global Warming
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: [snip] (james Randi) ...as far as humans are concerned, ten times more people die each year from the effects of cold than die from the heat. Not true. (Also completely irrelevant.) http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12146 Just to pick you up on this point. I don't know where Randi gets his ten times from. However your flat not true seems pretty over- dramatic seem as how it appeared to be based only on a New Scientist report of just the U.S. (and pointing up the lack of aircon as opposed to central heating). Randi referred to humans and not the US only. In any case Not True based on one study does not seem to show much feel for the ways of Science. Just how easy do you think it would be to test and falsify or validate such conjectures? Very, very difficult indeed I'd say. Highly fallible. I have seen it argued that if you attempt to correlate the rise and fall of civilizations with conjectured temperature records, then that suggests that relatively warm periods coincide with better times. Maybe that was what Randi had in mind? I don't know. But a VERY healthy scepticism over all such claims seems right to me. Plus lots of scepticism too over *a priori* claims that climate change MUST make the world a worse place. And you say Also completely irrelevant. The rational response to (some) scientists banging on about looming climate *change* is to think in terms of a risk assessment. It matters a lot in terms of that risk assessment whether the consequences of warming might be benign, universally dire, or a thorough mixing of the two. If Randi's statement were correct, it would definitely feed significantly into that risk assessmnet. And so it would be very relevant.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp, sell your house!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Shemp mentions occasionally that efforts to combat global warming will result in the loss of millions of lives. GW is already causing loss of life due to storms, more severe flooding in places like Bangladesh, etc., and we ain't seen nothin' yet. Sorry to burst your bubble, Rick, but floods and storms have happened to this planet since recorded history started. A interesting parallele to this is the phenomenon of beached whales. Now, when whales beach themselves environmentalists automatically assume it is due to some human cause or pollutant they are putting in the seas. And it very well may be. BUT: whales have been beaching themselves since recorded history started and there were no PCPs to dump into the ocean until about 75 years ago. Same thing with floods and storms, Rick. Wait until millions of climate refugees start fleeing their home areas. There have been climate refugees on tis planet because of various types of climate change since time immemorial. Remember Mount St. Helen's? Wait until water wars begin to break out. Uh, water wars have ALSO been breaking out since time immemorial. Again, I don't think global warming will have anything to do with it! If anything if there is a greenhouse effect it will cause MORE rain! Wait until much of India is waterless due to loss of Himalayan glaciers. And the American West, which is already in a prolonged drought, will be increasingly unlivable if insufficient snow falls in the mountains each winter. They had a native people who lived in these areas called the Anastazi who inexplicably disappeared about 500 years ago. Why did they leave the area? Draught, it is believedLONG before the white man started burning fossil fuel. If I were Shemp, I'd cash in and leave Phoenix while he has a chance. For all the reasons you mention above, I very well may leave but the cause won't be global warming...it will more likely be because of gambling. You see, if more water and power gets diverted to Las Vegas, then there will be less for us! Don't be so eager for millions of your fellow man to die horrible deaths, Rick, you should be secretly praying that I am right on this global warming thing so that less of your fellow man suffers (assuming you actually, genuinely care).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sceptic James Randi On Global Warming
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: [snip] Luckily he mentions it's an amateur opinion based on insufficient data in the opening paragraph, this is the best case for scientists sticking to their field I've read in a long time. [snip] HAVE YOU EVER HEARD AL GORE GIVE SUCH A DISCLAIMER IN ALL THE YEARS HE HAS BEEN FEAR-MONGERING AND LYING ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING (ALL THE WHILE LINING HIS POCKETS WITH MOOLAH?)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sceptic James Randi On Global Warming
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I suspect Randi will come to deeply regret this post. Even some of his groupie commenters are appalled by its ignorance and faulty logic. I hate to think what the climate scientists on RealClimate.org will do to it if they get hold of it. Have a good laugh I should think. I've always been a big fan of Randi and I admire his willingness to put his money where his mouth is so I'm interested in why you say he hasn't always been on the side of the angels. Care to expand? Aahhh, too big a subject. Basically, his approach isn't at all scientific. He starts with the conclusion that such-and-such is a hoax or humbug, then does whatever he can think of to try to make it appear that he's proved it's a hoax or humbug. He takes shortcuts and uses rhetoric and ridicule and misdirection to conceal his own sleight-of-hand. One of his many fallacies is that if he can show that something could have been done using magicians' tricks, it proves that this is in fact how it was done. Don't get me wrong, in many cases he *has* exposed hoaxes and humbug. But in some cases he has only created the appearance of doing so. I think his attacks on Uri Geller fall into that category. Not that Geller didn't do a good amount of hoaxing, but he's also done some woo-woo stuff under controlled conditions, for which there doesn't seem to be any good explanation. I know he gets a lot of criticism from people who fail his million dollar challenge but all the tests he does are worked out with the agreement of the testee that it's within their powers. Be interested to hear a counter argument. Not from me, sorry. I haven't studied these instances, but the ones I've read about sounded like they were on the up-and-up (on Randi's part, that is). Years ago back on alt.m.t, I did a detailed analysis of Randi's chapter on TM in his book Flim-Flam, showing how he fudged a lot of his evidence with quite deliberately misleading statements. I'll go look it up and post the URL if you'd like to read it. He's significantly more humble in this post on climate change; at least he's willing to admit he isn't sure of his ground. But as you note (and I did as well), a lot of his argument is rather grossly ignorant, and he introduces a bunch of complete non sequiturs. It makes one wonder if he's been similarly sloppy in doing his homework on other things he's supposedly debunked. I saw him do a demolition of mediums once. He was introduced under a fake name (I recognized him which spoiled the fun for me)and proceeded to make every appearance of reading minds and communicating with the dead. He then unmasked himself as an illusionist and sceptic and revealed that he had got hold of the audience list and done some simple research. His argument was that if he could do it then other mediums must be! The genuine mediums were all outraged of course, but it has to be said the real ones weren't as convincing. All good clean fun.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp, sell your house!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Shemp mentions occasionally that efforts to combat global warming will result in the loss of millions of lives. GW is already causing loss of life due to storms, more severe flooding in places like Bangladesh, etc., and we ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait until millions of climate refugees start fleeing their home areas. Wait until water wars begin to break out. Wait until much of India is waterless due to loss of Himalayan glaciers. And the American West, which is already in a prolonged drought, will be increasingly unlivable if insufficient snow falls in the mountains each winter. If I were Shemp, I'd cash in and leave Phoenix while he has a chance. The only insight I can offer to the idea of waterless is that one of the biggest users of the optimization software I work on is the department of the Spanish government that is in charge of its water supplies. Their nominal job is to plan and implement the shifting of water resources from one area of the country to another in times of drought. Their real job -- as expressed by the department members we've interviewed and as evidenced by a government agency's ability to purchase software that goes for half a million to a million a pop -- is survival. Spain has *always* been subject to droughts. Its climate most reminds me of Arizona or New Mexico. But these guys are in charge of the total fresh water resources of Spain, and they've been watch- ing them dwindle for a number of years now. What they are using our optimization software for is to map out strategies for what to do when Spain starts to *run out* of fresh water.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
A Courts-Martial 1) Sale of 600 prime acres of failed farming. 2)Sale of Folded school building. Transcendental Rajas do inquiries into failed management of Transcendental Meditation Projects.Patrick Peel vacuum cleaner salesman failed farm Manager. Ashley Deen failed school master. Relieved, of duty. Dishonorable dis-charges given? Probably not, but the evident TM verdict: the sale of their projects. No doubt was gut-wrenching discovery and deliberation by the Rajas weighing these failed assignments. Who originally hired these people? Oversaw their work? How did that go? More dismissals coming from the courts of inquiry? Failed farming Apparently by the Wins to Schayfer to Peel. Nice equipment bought. Made lots of hay and failed at marketing. Equipment sold. Global Country selling land. Transcription of the proceedings? Notwithstanding our explicit teaching of the purest life and loftiest conceptions of right, the societies have suffered through certain members, some by defalcations and others by grossest mismanagement. Where so little coercion exists, where so much responsibility rests on individual loyalty, one person, taking advantage of the trust reposed in him, by signing a document, or by secret, ill-judge investments, may deluge a whole society with debt. This has been frequently done. from Shakerism 1904 Sober warning. Is also the precarious position of having a Raja like that German TM-raja or a Conhaus get up in robes as representatives and thence publicly derail a lot of carefully placed PR capital by poor antic. That imbecility is a little different from someone like a Jeffry Wells, for instance on leaving the inside evidently taking and walking with $50k out of the University operating budget as he left the inner circle. That apparently stunned the operation for a while. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: ...or just downsizing? They're auctioning off 1/3 of their FF land holdings. http://download.globalcountry.net/emailing/ 2009_12_10_auction_announcement.pdf Dear Supporters of Invincible America, It is a great joy to announce that on Tuesday, December 15th beginning at 10:00 a.m. CST, Global Country of World Peace will make available for sale at auction one of the most beautiful buildings in our Invincible America community and a number of parcels of organic farmland totaling 600 acres. This auction will continue Tuesday afternoon and Wednesday morning. Please see the announcement for details of when each parcel will be sold. Since Global Country of World Peace owns quite a lot of land in the community we want to make about 1/3 of it available for those who wish to take advantage of prime organic real estate along Route 1 and inside Maharishi Vedic City for development, organic agriculture or residential or commercial uses. We feel this will help stimulate faster growth in the community and make property available contiguous to Maharishi University of Management, between MUM and Maharishi Vedic City, and within Maharishi Vedic City. In addition, proceeds of the sale of these properties will be used to support Global Country of World Peace Movement activities in the community and around the country.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp, sell your house!
Shemp, GW is not going to cause anything new to happen. All sorts of unavoidable environmental changes have happen throughout history due to volcanic eruptions, changes in solar activity, asteroid collisions, pole shifts, etc. And many of the life forms which inhabited the earth when those things happened died. But the current situation is unprecedented: a population of 7 billion subjected to climate change that we are causing and could choose not to cause. Climate change that is happening too quickly to adapt to. Maybe it's in the natural order of things that several billion of those people should die or suffer tremendous hardship, and we are just doing God's bidding by screwing up the planet, but I'd prefer to think that we have free will and can muster the wisdom to turn things around. But greed and stupidity are quite effective in overshadowing wisdom, as you so amply demonstrate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sceptic James Randi On Global Warming
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [snip] (james Randi) ...as far as humans are concerned, ten times more people die each year from the effects of cold than die from the heat. Not true. (Also completely irrelevant.) http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12146 Just to pick you up on this point. I don't know where Randi gets his ten times from. However your flat not true seems pretty over- dramatic seem as how it appeared to be based only on a New Scientist report of just the U.S. (and pointing up the lack of aircon as opposed to central heating). Randi referred to humans and not the US only. In any case Not True based on one study does not seem to show much feel for the ways of Science. Just how easy do you think it would be to test and falsify or validate such conjectures? Very, very difficult indeed I'd say. Highly fallible. But it's not fallible if Randi claims it's true based on *no* studies? The reporter does cite the actual study. Is it possible that study cites similar studies by others that cover more ground? I have seen it argued that if you attempt to correlate the rise and fall of civilizations with conjectured temperature records, then that suggests that relatively warm periods coincide with better times. Maybe that was what Randi had in mind? I don't know. Seems like he could easily have said that if it's what he had in mind. And even if it were, it wouldn't address the current situation. But a VERY healthy scepticism over all such claims seems right to me. Plus lots of scepticism too over *a priori* claims that climate change MUST make the world a worse place. A priori claims?? Please. It's *already making* the world a worse place. Look at Peru, for instance, or Bangladesh. I find it amusing, in a horrible sort of way, that conservatives who ferociously defended Dick Cheney's 1 percent doctrine--if there's even a 1 percent chance of an enemy acting against the United States, it's imperative that we do whatever we need to do to eliminate the threat--claim that any less than 100 percent total certainty about the threat from global warming means we should *refrain* from taking any action to forestall it. I'm not saying that's what you're doing. But while skepticism is fine in the abstract, with regard to AGW it really only applies around the edges, not to the main thesis, first of all; and second, the potential scope of the consequences is *so* huge and the evidence so strong that it makes no sense to drag our feet even if we don't have complete certainty. (*How* we act against AGW is a different question with all kinds of economic and political angles.) And you say Also completely irrelevant. The rational response to (some) scientists banging on about looming climate *change* is to think in terms of a risk assessment. It matters a lot in terms of that risk assessment whether the consequences of warming might be benign, universally dire, or a thorough mixing of the two. If Randi's statement were correct, it would definitely feed significantly into that risk assessmnet. And so it would be very relevant. Only if you define die from the heat to mean die from the effects of global warming. But then how would you define die from the effects of cold? I think you're, um, being generous in assuming that's what he meant. I suspect he was thinking of how many excess deaths there are due to cold waves versus to heat waves--which *would* be irrelevant.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp, sell your house!
Rick, The problem is that you are starting from the premise that if man is putting anything unnatural into the atmosphere that it automatically must be wrong and bad. Think of carbon as being unfairly trapped in the soil, coal, and liquids of the Earth for many millions of years and it is the energy businesses such as the oil companies that are liberating these solids and liquids so that they can roam around the atmophere and fertilize the agriculture needed to feed those 7 billion people. Rick, there is ZERO evidence that there is catastrophic man-made global warming and your saying there is does not make it a reality. This is a religion based upon non-facts and non cause-effect relationships made out of thin air. The policies that you and your religion advocate have caused and will continue to cause many, many deaths and suffering. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Shemp, GW is not going to cause anything new to happen. All sorts of unavoidable environmental changes have happen throughout history due to volcanic eruptions, changes in solar activity, asteroid collisions, pole shifts, etc. And many of the life forms which inhabited the earth when those things happened died. But the current situation is unprecedented: a population of 7 billion subjected to climate change that we are causing and could choose not to cause. Climate change that is happening too quickly to adapt to. Maybe it's in the natural order of things that several billion of those people should die or suffer tremendous hardship, and we are just doing God's bidding by screwing up the planet, but I'd prefer to think that we have free will and can muster the wisdom to turn things around. But greed and stupidity are quite effective in overshadowing wisdom, as you so amply demonstrate.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shemp, sell your house!
On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Shemp mentions occasionally that efforts to combat global warming will result in the loss of millions of lives. GW is already causing loss of life due to storms, more severe flooding in places like Bangladesh, etc., and we ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait until millions of climate refugees start fleeing their home areas. Wait until water wars begin to break out. Wait until much of India is waterless due to loss of Himalayan glaciers. And the American West, which is already in a prolonged drought, will be increasingly unlivable if insufficient snow falls in the mountains each winter. If I were Shemp, I'd cash in and leave Phoenix while he has a chance. Desertification of the American West is a well-known phenomenon. Many of the western wildfires we've heard of in recent years, that have ravaged hundreds of thousands of acres of previously arable land and forest, have essentially rendered these previous areas as deserts. Many of them will not return to their original state in our great grandchildren's lifetimes. In fact, if this continues, we'll lose HALF THE FORESTS of the American West. See the link below (video) for graphic examples. It is definitely worth a watch, esp. for Shemp (who I doubt will watch it; Vedic fundies are often like their Christian counterparts): http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/18/60minutes/main3380176.shtml The Age Of Megafires Expert: Warming Climate Fueling Megafires (CBS) This story was first published on Oct. 21, 2007. It was updated on Sept. 3, 2009. The wild fire that threatened Los Angeles this past week is not a typical fire: it's what is being called a megafire, and scientists now say we should brace ourselves for more and more of these fires in the coming years. In truth, we have never seen anything like them before - forest infernos ten times bigger than the fires we're used to seeing. Two years ago, during one of the worst fire seasons in recorded history, Scott Pelley went out on the fire line to see why so much of the American West is burning. The men and women facing the flames are elite federal firefighters called Hotshots. Nationwide there are 92 hotshot crews of 20 members each. 60 Minutes found a group of New Mexico hotshots in the Salmon River Mountains of Idaho. They had set up camp in a burned-out patch of forest with fire raging all around. They were hitting the day, exhausted, halfway through a 14-day shift. Leaving camp to scout out the situation, the firefighters anticipated a mess and they found it: the valley was engulfed in smoke. The flames blew through the firebreak lines they dug the day before. We were trying to turn the corner yesterday, and that's when it kind of blew out. I think we got more ground over here that's been taken. Any questions? a firefighter said. No question, this day the fire won. It surged across the mountain, forcing the hotshots to evacuate. All across the West, crews are playing defense, often pulling back to let acres burn, but standing firm to save communities. One stand this season (2007) came in August at Ketchum, Idaho. Forecasters said it was 99 percent certain Ketchum would be lost if nothing was done. Some 1,700 local, state, and federal firefighters came from across the nation, working around the clock from a mountainside camp. Residents were evacuated, as 300-foot flames headed for homes. 60 Minutes joined up with Tom Boatner, who after 30 years on the fire line, became chief of fire operations for the federal government. A fire of this size and this intensity in this country would have been extremely rare 15, 20 years they're commonplace these days, Boatner says. Ten years ago, if you had a 100,000 acre fire, you were talking about a huge fire. And if we had one or two of those a year, that was probably unusual. Now we talk about 200,000 acre fires like it's just another day at the office. It's been a huge change, he adds. Asked what the biggest fires now are, Boatner says, We've had, I believe, two fires this summer that have been over 500,000 acres, half a million acres, and one of those was over 600,000 acres. You wouldn't have expected to see this how recently? Pelley asks. We got records going back to 1960 of the acres burned in America. So, that's 47 fire seasons. Seven of the 10 busiest fire seasons have been since 1999, Boatner says. You know what? It’s hotter than hell right here, Pelley remarks. It's been pretty damn hot, Boatner says. You can imagine the challenge for young men and women with hand tools like this to come up here and put out a fire like this, but there's thousands of people down there with multimillion dollar homes that are counting on them to do that. It was 20 years ago that firefighters got their first glimpse of what was to come. In 1988, a third of Yellowstone National Park burned.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
With all due respect (and I *do* respect trying to find something to be uplifted by), isn't it sad in a way that the TM organization seems to find its upliftment only by revisiting the past? I mean, really. The enduring fascination with the Beatles and Donovan and the Beach Boys. The ruminations about the good old days when we still taught TM as if it mattered. Some writer once said something to the effect that you know your best days are behind you when you start looking mainly to the past for your inspiration. I don't know about you guys, but I derive inspiration from the enduring belief that my best days are still ahead of me. Announcing Two Upcoming Celebrations! Celebrating 30 Years Amherst WPA Moves to Create National Coherence in Fairfield History In the summer of 1979 almost 3000 people gathered for the very first World Peace Assembly in the United States at Amherst, Massachusetts. It was during this historic WPA that Maharishi asked all the Governors and Sidhas to move their families and businesses to Fairfield, Iowa to set up the first Creating Coherence community -- a permanent group to create coherence for the whole nation. To celebrate this amazing achievement, we have gathered a variety of speakers together to tell their stories about how they fulfilled Maharishi's request. Dr. Bevan Morris led the Amherst WPA and spearheaded the move to Fairfield and will speak both nights of this two-night celebration Speakers include: Mayor Ed Malloy, Dr. Stuart Zimmerman, Dr. Larry Chroman, Dr. Douglas Birx, Dr. Fred Gratzon, Dr. Gregg Wilson, Dr. Mario Orsatti, Dr. Wally Devasier, Dean Brad Mylett and others. Sunday, Dec. 20, 8:10 pm Dalby Hall, Argiro Student Center 30th Anniversary of Amherst WPA Sunday, Dec. 27, 8:10 pm Dalby Hall, Argiro Student Center 30th Anniversary of Creating Coherence Course and Moving to Fairfield If you have a story from this time period, please submit it to tbro...@... Everyone is welcome and please bring your program badge! Jai Guru Dev
RE: [FairfieldLife] 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
Two points on this. 1. The 30th anniversary was actually last summer. I guess the idea just came up. 2. None of the people mentioned below have actual Doctorate degrees. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dick Mays Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 12:42 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] 30th Anniversary Celebrations! Announcing Two Upcoming Celebrations! Celebrating 30 Years Amherst WPA Moves to Create National Coherence in Fairfield History In the summer of 1979 almost 3000 people gathered for the very first World Peace Assembly in the United States at Amherst, Massachusetts. It was during this historic WPA that Maharishi asked all the Governors and Sidhas to move their families and businesses to Fairfield, Iowa to set up the first Creating Coherence community -- a permanent group to create coherence for the whole nation. To celebrate this amazing achievement, we have gathered a variety of speakers together to tell their stories about how they fulfilled Maharishi's request. Dr. Bevan Morris led the Amherst WPA and spearheaded the move to Fairfield and will speak both nights of this two-night celebration Speakers include: Mayor Ed Malloy, Dr. Stuart Zimmerman, Dr. Larry Chroman, Dr. Douglas Birx, Dr. Fred Gratzon, Dr. Gregg Wilson, Dr. Mario Orsatti, Dr. Wally Devasier, Dean Brad Mylett and others. Sunday, Dec. 20, 8:10 pm Dalby Hall, Argiro Student Center 30th Anniversary of Amherst WPA Sunday, Dec. 27, 8:10 pm Dalby Hall, Argiro Student Center 30th Anniversary of Creating Coherence Course and Moving to Fairfield If you have a story from this time period, please submit it to tbro...@mum.edu Everyone is welcome and please bring your program badge! Jai Guru Dev No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.110/2568 - Release Date: 12/16/09 02:02:00
Re: [FairfieldLife] 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
On Dec 16, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Two points on this. 1. The 30th anniversary was actually last summer. I guess the idea just came up. 2. None of the people mentioned below have actual Doctorate degrees. Whenever TM articles or TM research gets posted on blogs or pushed to new sites on the web, a number of TM doctors can be found posting in the comment sections on 'how wonderful the article was' or 'how wonderful TM is', or thanking the author for posting this fine wisdom, etc. Whenever they're asked what their doctorates are in, they never respond! Most seem to have MERU honorary degrees for years of service to the World Plan (or whatever). It'd be nice to know that people with even honorary doctorates still would know how to count to 30.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Shemp, sell your house!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 12:51 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Shemp, sell your house! On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Shemp mentions occasionally that efforts to combat global warming will result in the loss of millions of lives. GW is already causing loss of life due to storms, more severe flooding in places like Bangladesh, etc., and we ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait until millions of climate refugees start fleeing their home areas. Wait until water wars begin to break out. Wait until much of India is waterless due to loss of Himalayan glaciers. And the American West, which is already in a prolonged drought, will be increasingly unlivable if insufficient snow falls in the mountains each winter. If I were Shemp, I'd cash in and leave Phoenix while he has a chance. Desertification of the American West is a well-known phenomenon. Many of the western wildfires we've heard of in recent years, that have ravaged hundreds of thousands of acres of previously arable land and forest, have essentially rendered these previous areas as deserts. Many of them will not return to their original state in our great grandchildren's lifetimes. In fact, if this continues, we'll lose HALF THE FORESTS of the American West. See the link below (video) for graphic examples. It is definitely worth a watch, esp. for Shemp (who I doubt will watch it; Vedic fundies are often like their Christian counterparts): I don't think there's anything Vedic about Shemp's perspective. He just suffers from Fixed News-fed conservative brain rot.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Healthcare's Home Stench
Bhairitu wrote: Maybe it is time for real revolution in this country. Maybe you should join a 'tea party' protest instead of just sitting around watching TV and posting nonsense on the internet. You're so anxious to pass a law mandating that everyone accept a payroll deduction or pay a fine. Why don't you do something about it? Maybe your state of California should separate from the rest of the federal union. That would be a real revolution. Is that legal in the United States? Why do almost all of your solutions involve violence and breaking the law?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp, sell your house!
First of all, the megafires of recent years are 100% the result of the failed policies of environmentalists, the same people who will have us believe in the religion of Global Warming. And, secondly, your portrayal and stereotyping of me as a Vedic Fundy of course is completely off the mark and I will not address why because I've done that numerous times on this forum, to no avail. So why do it again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Shemp mentions occasionally that efforts to combat global warming will result in the loss of millions of lives. GW is already causing loss of life due to storms, more severe flooding in places like Bangladesh, etc., and we ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait until millions of climate refugees start fleeing their home areas. Wait until water wars begin to break out. Wait until much of India is waterless due to loss of Himalayan glaciers. And the American West, which is already in a prolonged drought, will be increasingly unlivable if insufficient snow falls in the mountains each winter. If I were Shemp, I'd cash in and leave Phoenix while he has a chance. Desertification of the American West is a well-known phenomenon. Many of the western wildfires we've heard of in recent years, that have ravaged hundreds of thousands of acres of previously arable land and forest, have essentially rendered these previous areas as deserts. Many of them will not return to their original state in our great grandchildren's lifetimes. In fact, if this continues, we'll lose HALF THE FORESTS of the American West. See the link below (video) for graphic examples. It is definitely worth a watch, esp. for Shemp (who I doubt will watch it; Vedic fundies are often like their Christian counterparts): http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/18/60minutes/main3380176.shtml The Age Of Megafires Expert: Warming Climate Fueling Megafires (CBS) This story was first published on Oct. 21, 2007. It was updated on Sept. 3, 2009. The wild fire that threatened Los Angeles this past week is not a typical fire: it's what is being called a megafire, and scientists now say we should brace ourselves for more and more of these fires in the coming years. In truth, we have never seen anything like them before - forest infernos ten times bigger than the fires we're used to seeing. Two years ago, during one of the worst fire seasons in recorded history, Scott Pelley went out on the fire line to see why so much of the American West is burning. The men and women facing the flames are elite federal firefighters called Hotshots. Nationwide there are 92 hotshot crews of 20 members each. 60 Minutes found a group of New Mexico hotshots in the Salmon River Mountains of Idaho. They had set up camp in a burned-out patch of forest with fire raging all around. They were hitting the day, exhausted, halfway through a 14-day shift. Leaving camp to scout out the situation, the firefighters anticipated a mess and they found it: the valley was engulfed in smoke. The flames blew through the firebreak lines they dug the day before. We were trying to turn the corner yesterday, and that's when it kind of blew out. I think we got more ground over here that's been taken. Any questions? a firefighter said. No question, this day the fire won. It surged across the mountain, forcing the hotshots to evacuate. All across the West, crews are playing defense, often pulling back to let acres burn, but standing firm to save communities. One stand this season (2007) came in August at Ketchum, Idaho. Forecasters said it was 99 percent certain Ketchum would be lost if nothing was done. Some 1,700 local, state, and federal firefighters came from across the nation, working around the clock from a mountainside camp. Residents were evacuated, as 300-foot flames headed for homes. 60 Minutes joined up with Tom Boatner, who after 30 years on the fire line, became chief of fire operations for the federal government. A fire of this size and this intensity in this country would have been extremely rare 15, 20 years they're commonplace these days, Boatner says. Ten years ago, if you had a 100,000 acre fire, you were talking about a huge fire. And if we had one or two of those a year, that was probably unusual. Now we talk about 200,000 acre fires like it's just another day at the office. It's been a huge change, he adds. Asked what the biggest fires now are, Boatner says, We've had, I believe, two fires this summer that have been over 500,000 acres, half a million acres, and one of those was over 600,000 acres. You wouldn't have expected to see this how recently? Pelley asks. We got records going back to 1960 of the acres burned in America. So, that's 47 fire seasons. Seven of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shemp, sell your house!
On Dec 16, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 12:51 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Shemp, sell your house! On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Shemp mentions occasionally that efforts to combat global warming will result in the loss of millions of lives. GW is already causing loss of life due to storms, more severe flooding in places like Bangladesh, etc., and we ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait until millions of climate refugees start fleeing their home areas. Wait until water wars begin to break out. Wait until much of India is waterless due to loss of Himalayan glaciers. And the American West, which is already in a prolonged drought, will be increasingly unlivable if insufficient snow falls in the mountains each winter. If I were Shemp, I'd cash in and leave Phoenix while he has a chance. Desertification of the American West is a well-known phenomenon. Many of the western wildfires we've heard of in recent years, that have ravaged hundreds of thousands of acres of previously arable land and forest, have essentially rendered these previous areas as deserts. Many of them will not return to their original state in our great grandchildren's lifetimes. In fact, if this continues, we'll lose HALF THE FORESTS of the American West. See the link below (video) for graphic examples. It is definitely worth a watch, esp. for Shemp (who I doubt will watch it; Vedic fundies are often like their Christian counterparts): I don't think there's anything Vedic about Shemp's perspective. He just suffers from Fixed News-fed conservative brain rot. You could be right. There could be another reason he said: I will always contend from the few encounters I had with Bevan on my six-month course in 1977 that he was the most inspiring leader of the TMO I've ever come across. I'd follow him anywhere.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp, sell your house!
On Dec 16, 2009, at 2:50 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: First of all, the megafires of recent years are 100% the result of the failed policies of environmentalists, the same people who will have us believe in the religion of Global Warming. And, secondly, your portrayal and stereotyping of me as a Vedic Fundy of course is completely off the mark and I will not address why because I've done that numerous times on this forum, to no avail. So why do it again. My apologies, I do remember you claiming to be a TM purist of sorts. I'll try to use Right Wing Fundie from now on. Unless you prefer Right Wing Consciousness-based Fundie. Your choice. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp, sell your house!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 12:51 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Shemp, sell your house! On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Shemp mentions occasionally that efforts to combat global warming will result in the loss of millions of lives. GW is already causing loss of life due to storms, more severe flooding in places like Bangladesh, etc., and we ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait until millions of climate refugees start fleeing their home areas. Wait until water wars begin to break out. Wait until much of India is waterless due to loss of Himalayan glaciers. And the American West, which is already in a prolonged drought, will be increasingly unlivable if insufficient snow falls in the mountains each winter. If I were Shemp, I'd cash in and leave Phoenix while he has a chance. Desertification of the American West is a well-known phenomenon. Many of the western wildfires we've heard of in recent years, that have ravaged hundreds of thousands of acres of previously arable land and forest, have essentially rendered these previous areas as deserts. Many of them will not return to their original state in our great grandchildren's lifetimes. In fact, if this continues, we'll lose HALF THE FORESTS of the American West. See the link below (video) for graphic examples. It is definitely worth a watch, esp. for Shemp (who I doubt will watch it; Vedic fundies are often like their Christian counterparts): I don't think there's anything Vedic about Shemp's perspective. He just suffers from Fixed News-fed conservative brain rot. You could be right. There could be another reason he said: I will always contend from the few encounters I had with Bevan on my six-month course in 1977 that he was the most inspiring leader of the TMO I've ever come across. I'd follow him anywhere. LOL!
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp, sell your house!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp, sell your house! On Dec 16, 2009, at 2:50 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: First of all, the megafires of recent years are 100% the result of the failed policies of environmentalists, the same people who will have us believe in the religion of Global Warming. Those who fill your head with this nonsense thrive on sheeple like you. They're of the same ilk as those who killed millions by lying to them about the effects of tobacco. And there's a certain mindset, of which you are a card-carrying member, who eagerly lap it up.
Re: [FairfieldLife] GW clap trap its a result of Earth Procession
This effect is mostly the result of the slight wobbles in Earth orbit. It occurs once every 20,000 yrs or so. 10,000 years ago Buffalo NY was under some 1 to 2 miles of ice NY city at least 1/2 mile of ice. Thus Terra changes also man can will evolve adjust to these changes. The gods soon may well assist us in making progress here so be happy do NOT worry I note as well there are more polar bears today than in the bear count taken in 1952 in Alaska by the National geographic association In a message dated 12/16/2009 2:50:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, r...@searchsummit.com writes: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 12:51 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Shemp, sell your house! On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Shemp mentions occasionally that efforts to combat global warming will result in the loss of millions of lives. GW is already causing loss of life due to storms, more severe flooding in places like Bangladesh, etc., and we ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait until millions of climate refugees start fleeing their home areas. Wait until water wars begin to break out. Wait until much of India is waterless due to loss of Himalayan glaciers. And the American West, which is already in a prolonged drought, will be increasingly unlivable if insufficient snow falls in the mountains each winter. If I were Shemp, I'd cash in and leave Phoenix while he has a chance. Desertification of the American West is a well-known phenomenon. Many of the western wildfires we've heard of in recent years, that have ravaged hundreds of thousands of acres of previously arable land and forest, have essentially rendered these previous areas as deserts. Many of them will not return to their original state in our great grandchildren's lifetimes. In fact, if this continues, we'll lose HALF THE FORESTS of the American West. See the link below (video) for graphic examples. It is definitely worth a watch, esp. for Shemp (who I doubt will watch it; Vedic fundies are often like their Christian counterparts): I don't think there's anything Vedic about Shemp's perspective. He just suffers from Fixed News-fed conservative brain rot.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp, sell your house!
On Dec 16, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Rick Archer wrote: First of all, the megafires of recent years are 100% the result of the failed policies of environmentalists, the same people who will have us believe in the religion of Global Warming. Those who fill your head with this nonsense thrive on sheeple like you. They're of the same ilk as those who killed millions by lying to them about the effects of tobacco. And there's a certain mindset, of which you are a card-carrying member, who eagerly lap it up. That's why it's important for intelligent folks like Shemp to put aside any preconceptions they might have, and watch video, like the segment I just posted a link to, so they can see what's really happening. At about 10 minutes into the clip you see exactly what's happening to these old western forests: they're literally being burnt to the ground--and not reestablishing themselves. And one of the areas mentioned, is right where Shemp lives.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sceptic James Randi On Global Warming
As I've stated before I'm very much on the fence about this stuff. I always supported cleaning up the environment and reducing pollution. But then the last few years big energy jumped on the bandwagon and that concerned me. They won't do that unless they can pick our pockets some more. This carbon tax and carbon credits stuff is all a bunch of punitive bullshit. Let's just keep folks on the track of taking care of the planet and reward those who do. PaliGap wrote: The myriad of influences that act upon Earth are so many and so variable -- though not capricious -- that I believe we simply cannot formulate an equation into which we enter variables and come up with an answer. A living planet will continually belch, vibrate, fracture, and crumble a bit, and thus defeat an accurate equation. Please note that this my amateur opinion, based on probably insufficient data. And CO2 is a natural molecule absolutely required for plant life to survive, and in the process of growing, those plants give off oxygen. We -- and all animal life -- consume that oxygen and give off CO2 And ...as far as humans are concerned, ten times more people die each year from the effects of cold than die from the heat. This a hugely complex set of variables we are trying to reduce to an equation... It's easy enough to believe that drought, floods, hurricanes, and earthquakes are signs of a coming catastrophe from global warming, but these are normal variations of any climate that we -- and other forms of life -- have survived And In my amateur opinion, more attention to disease control, better hygienic conditions for food production and clean water supplies, as well as controlling the filth that we breathe from fossil fuel use, are problems that should distract us from fretting about baking in Global Warming http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/805-agw-revisited.html
RE: [FairfieldLife] GW clap trap its a result of Earth Procession
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wle...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:01 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] GW clap trap its a result of Earth Procession I note as well there are more polar bears today than in the bear count taken in 1952 in Alaska by the National geographic association The truth about your polar bear point: http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/ask-the-experts/population/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Having discussed man love for MMY, let's talk woman love :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: There were a few teachers of advanced techniques and siddhis who were women, but they had no say in the organization as a whole and still do not... Everyone knows that Beaulah Smith was the only initiator in North America for years. She used to give all the initiations at SRM in Los Angeles. Also everyone knew that Helen Olsen really ran the TMO. On courses, the road manager was Ms. Pittman. It's only later that the men took over, under Nandakishore, after they kicked out Jerry and Debbie. Not to mention Mrs. Eickhof who ran the huge German TMO during the 60/70 and well into the 80's. If you had been in Maharishi's inner circle you would already know this, Turq. But, you wouldn't know anything about the Maharishi's private life by just hanging around outside the door or running errands for SIMS.
[FairfieldLife] Flying: Confessions of a Free Woman
With so many feminists and film lovers on this list, I'd like to share an event--really a series of films (as it was originally presented at Sundance, and other film festivals)--typically presented over the length of a festival and more recently on Dutch TV and the Sundance Channel, as a six segment series. Flying: Confessions of a Free Woman is a movie by and about women, around the world. It may be one of the most intimate movies you ever see. And it's now (according to the Netflix website) available on Netflix. It's now also, finally available for purchase. It would make an excellent holiday gift. The trailer: http://www.flyingconfessions.com/about_WatchTrailer.php The film website: http://www.flyingconfessions.com/ To buy: http://www.flyingconfessions.com/store_FlyingDVD.php Netflix: http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Flying_Confessions_of_a_Free_Woman/70066340 Please support indepebdebt filmmakers like Jennifer FOx by sharing this email!
[FairfieldLife] Flying: Confessions of a Free Woman
With so many feminists and film lovers on this list, I'd like to share an event--really a series of films (as it was originally presented at Sundance, and other film festivals)--typically presented over the length of a festival and more recently on Dutch TV and the Sundance Channel, as a six segment series. Flying: Confessions of a Free Woman is a movie by and about women, around the world. It may be one of the most intimate movies you ever see. And it's now (according to the Netflix website) available on Netflix. It's now also, finally available for purchase. It would make an excellent holiday gift. The trailer: http://www.flyingconfessions.com/about_WatchTrailer.php The film website: http://www.flyingconfessions.com/ To buy: http://www.flyingconfessions.com/store_FlyingDVD.php Netflix: http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Flying_Confessions_of_a_Free_Woman/70066340 Please support independent filmmakers like Jennifer Fox by sharing this email!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp, sell your house!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 12:51 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Shemp, sell your house! On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Shemp mentions occasionally that efforts to combat global warming will result in the loss of millions of lives. GW is already causing loss of life due to storms, more severe flooding in places like Bangladesh, etc., and we ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait until millions of climate refugees start fleeing their home areas. Wait until water wars begin to break out. Wait until much of India is waterless due to loss of Himalayan glaciers. And the American West, which is already in a prolonged drought, will be increasingly unlivable if insufficient snow falls in the mountains each winter. If I were Shemp, I'd cash in and leave Phoenix while he has a chance. Desertification of the American West is a well-known phenomenon. Many of the western wildfires we've heard of in recent years, that have ravaged hundreds of thousands of acres of previously arable land and forest, have essentially rendered these previous areas as deserts. Many of them will not return to their original state in our great grandchildren's lifetimes. In fact, if this continues, we'll lose HALF THE FORESTS of the American West. See the link below (video) for graphic examples. It is definitely worth a watch, esp. for Shemp (who I doubt will watch it; Vedic fundies are often like their Christian counterparts): I don't think there's anything Vedic about Shemp's perspective. He just suffers from Fixed News-fed conservative brain rot. You could be right. There could be another reason he said: I will always contend from the few encounters I had with Bevan on my six-month course in 1977 that he was the most inspiring leader of the TMO I've ever come across. I'd follow him anywhere. Have you had any personal contact with Bevan, Vaj, and if so, what was it and why did it form what I assume form the above is a negative impression?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp, sell your house!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 2:50 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: First of all, the megafires of recent years are 100% the result of the failed policies of environmentalists, the same people who will have us believe in the religion of Global Warming. And, secondly, your portrayal and stereotyping of me as a Vedic Fundy of course is completely off the mark and I will not address why because I've done that numerous times on this forum, to no avail. So why do it again. My apologies, I do remember you claiming to be a TM purist of sorts. I'll try to use Right Wing Fundie from now on. Unless you prefer Right Wing Consciousness-based Fundie. Your choice. ;-) I prefer Anarcho-Capitalist, Social-Darwinist, anti-abortion-but-pro-infanticide TM fundamentalist who hates the TMO. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp, sell your house!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp, sell your house! On Dec 16, 2009, at 2:50 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: First of all, the megafires of recent years are 100% the result of the failed policies of environmentalists, the same people who will have us believe in the religion of Global Warming. Those who fill your head with this nonsense thrive on sheeple like you. They're of the same ilk as those who killed millions by lying to them about the effects of tobacco. And there's a certain mindset, of which you are a card-carrying member, who eagerly lap it up. Unlike Global Warming, the debate is over on this issue, Rick. Read it and weep: http://www.perc.org/pdf/Forest%20Policy%20Up%20in%20Smoke.pdf
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp, sell your house!
ShempMcGurk wrote: For all the reasons you mention above, I very well may leave but the cause won't be global warming...it will more likely be because of gambling. You see, if more water and power gets diverted to Las Vegas, then there will be less for us! Don't be so eager for millions of your fellow man to die horrible deaths, Rick, you should be secretly praying that I am right on this global warming thing so that less of your fellow man suffers (assuming you actually, genuinely care). Here Shemp, go pick out your new home: http://www.ecuadorcentral.com/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp, sell your house!
On Dec 16, 2009, at 7:05 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: You could be right. There could be another reason he said: I will always contend from the few encounters I had with Bevan on my six-month course in 1977 that he was the most inspiring leader of the TMO I've ever come across. I'd follow him anywhere. Have you had any personal contact with Bevan, Vaj, and if so, what was it and why did it form what I assume form the above is a negative impression? First of all, I haven't expressed any negative impression of Bevan. I haven't seen him since the early 80's. I respect your right to hold a man-crush, appreciation or charismatic impressions, irregardless of the exact circumstances. Hearing a guru-bhai express and share similar feelings can often be a very magnetizing experience, bonding one to the other. You probably share a lot on some deep level, so I can respect that shared sincerity and the appreciation you share with a spiritual brother.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Two points on this. 1. The 30th anniversary was actually last summer. I guess the idea just came up. 2. None of the people mentioned below have actual Doctorate degrees. Whenever TM articles or TM research gets posted on blogs or pushed to new sites on the web, a number of TM doctors can be found posting in the comment sections on 'how wonderful the article was' or 'how wonderful TM is', or thanking the author for posting this fine wisdom, etc. Whenever they're asked what their doctorates are in, they never respond! Oh pathos, they try so hard. Most seem to have MERU honorary degrees for years of service to the World Plan (or whatever). It'd be nice to know that people with even honorary doctorates still would know how to count to 30.
[FairfieldLife] Health Reform Bill Does More Harm Than Good
Glenn Greenwald was on MSNBC with David Shuster today to talk about his Salon piece, in which he states that LieberCare delivers everything the White House wanted all along: In essence, this reinforces all of the worst dynamics of Washington. The insurance industry gets the biggest bonanza imaginable in the form of tens of millions of coerced new customers without any competition or other price controls. Progressive opinion-makers, as always, signaled that they can and should be ignored (don't worry about us we're announcing in advance that we'll support whatever you feed us no matter how little it contains of what we want and will never exercise raw political power to get what we want; make sure those other people are happy but ignore us). Most of this was negotiated and effectuated in complete secrecy, in the sleazy sewers populated by lobbyists, industry insiders, and their wholly-owned pawns in the Congress. And highly unpopular, industry-serving legislation is passed off as centrist, the noblest Beltway value. No wonder Obama is thanking Lieberman for his fine work, and Howard Dean is an irritant. Video: http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/16/glenn-greenwald-on-msnbc-this-bill-does-more-harm-than-good/
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp, sell your house!
On Dec 16, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Vaj wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 7:05 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: You could be right. There could be another reason he said: I will always contend from the few encounters I had with Bevan on my six-month course in 1977 that he was the most inspiring leader of the TMO I've ever come across. I'd follow him anywhere. Have you had any personal contact with Bevan, Vaj, and if so, what was it and why did it form what I assume form the above is a negative impression? First of all, I haven't expressed any negative impression of Bevan. I haven't seen him since the early 80's. I respect your right to hold a man-crush, appreciation or charismatic impressions, irregardless of the exact circumstances. Hearing a guru-bhai express and share similar feelings can often be a very magnetizing experience, bonding one to the other. You probably share a lot on some deep level, so I can respect that shared sincerity and the appreciation you share with a spiritual brother. This is especially amusing in light of the fact that Shemp consistently decries the same worshipful attitude towards MMY. Sal
[FairfieldLife] NBC-WSJ Poll Reflects Americans' Deep Pessimism
Transcript of a report on tonight's NBC Nightly News about the results of a new NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll: CHUCK TODD, NBC POLITICAL DIRECTOR: By any measurement, this has been a tough year for the country, and, by extension, a tough year for the president. Coming into office, it was clear he was going to have to deal with a slew of problems, from that financial crisis to two wars. But the public was optimistic and hopeful about the country and its new president a year ago. That's not the case any more. On his first day in office, the president was full of optimism. PRES. BARACK OBAMA: On this day, we gather because we have chosen hope over fear, unity of purpose over conflict and discord. TODD: The country responded and grew optimistic early on. But now, the pessimism is back. Fifty-five percent of those surveyed believe the country is off on the wrong track. And less than half, 47 percent, now approve of the job the president is doing, down from 60 percent at that hopeful start of his presidency. This grading of the president is at odds with his own perception, which he shared with Oprah Winfrey last Sunday. OPRAH WINFREY, HOST, THE OPRAH WINFREY SHOW: What grade would you give yourself for this year? OBAMA: Good solid B-plus. TODD: And while 54 percent had confidence in President Obama's goals and policies when he came into office, just 39 percent say the same thing now. Much of the second half of 2009 in Washington has been dominated by the healthcare debate. And the longer this debate has gone on, the more negative the public has turned. Just 32 percent now believe the president's healthcare plan is a good idea; 47 percent say it's a bad idea. And for the first time this year, more folks tell us it's better if the plan does not pass, 44 percent, than if it does pass, 41 percent. The lone bright spot in the poll for the president, 55 percent support his decision to send 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan. In November, before the president's West Point and Nobel speeches, fewer than half, 47 percent, had favored sending more troops in. Despite finding common ground in Afghanistan, the unity President Obama called for in January is gone. When he took office, nearly half were optimistic that the two political parties would work together. Looking back, 81 percent now believe 2009 was a year of division, where neither party showed a willingness to compromise. Last week, the president acknowledged the problem. OBAMA: For decades, we've watched as efforts to solve tough problems have fallen prey to the bitterness of partisanship, to prosaic concerns of politics, to ever-quickening news cycles, to endless campaigns focused on scoring points instead of meeting our common challenges. TODD: I can't emphasize enough how pessimistic the public is, according to this data. Sixty-one percent tell us America is in a state of decline. Sixty-six percent have very little confidence that our children will be better off than we were. Of course, all of this doom and gloom mindset is tied to one issue, the economy.
[FairfieldLife] White House as helpless victim on healthcare
Of all the posts I wrote this year, the one that produced the most vociferious email backlash easily was this one from August, which examined substantial evidence showing that, contrary to Obama's occasional public statements in support of a public option, the White House clearly intended from the start that the final health care reform bill would contain no such provision and was actively and privately participating in efforts to shape a final bill without it. From the start, assuaging the health insurance and pharmaceutical industries was a central preoccupation of the White House hence the deal negotiated in strict secrecy with Pharma to ban bulk price negotiations and drug reimportation, a blatant violation of both Obama's campaign positions on those issues and his promise to conduct all negotiations out in the open (on C-SPAN). Indeed, Democrats led the way yesterday in killing drug re-importation, which they endlessly claimed to support back when they couldn't pass it. The administration wants not only to prevent industry money from funding an anti-health-care-reform campaign, but also wants to ensure that the Democratic Party rather than the GOP will continue to be the prime recipient of industry largesse. As was painfully predictable all along, the final bill will not have any form of public option, nor will it include the wildly popular expansion of Medicare coverage. Obama supporters are eager to depict the White House as nothing more than a helpless victim in all of this the President so deeply wanted a more progressive bill but was sadly thwarted in his noble efforts by those inhumane, corrupt Congressional centrists. Right. The evidence was overwhelming from the start that the White House was not only indifferent, but opposed, to the provisions most important to progressives. The administration is getting the bill which they, more or less, wanted from the start the one that is a huge boon to the health insurance and pharmaceutical industry. http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2009/12/16/white_house/
[FairfieldLife] Russ Feingold Says Obama Wanted LieberCare All Along
It's pretty laughable that people think Lieberman is killing health care when he's delivering up the Senate Finance Committee bill the White House negotiated. Jane Hamsher It looks like Jane is finally willing to blame Obama for pushing a crappy health care bill instead of Rham Emanuel. RD Russ Feingold concurs: Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.), among the most vocal supporters of the public option, said it would be unfair to blame Lieberman for its apparent demise. Feingold said that responsibility ultimately rests with President Barack Obama and he could have insisted on a higher standard for the legislation. This bill appears to be legislation that the president wanted in the first place, so I don't think focusing it on Lieberman really hits the truth, said Feingold. http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/16/russ-feingold-says-liebercare-was-what-obama-wanted-all-along/
[FairfieldLife] Health Care on the Road to Neo-Feudalism
I believe that if the Senate health care bill passes as Joe Lieberman has demanded itwith no Medicare buy-in or public optionit will be a significant step further on our road to neo-feudalism. As such, I find it far too dangerous to our democracy to passeven if it gives millions (perhaps unaffordable) subsidies for health care. 20% of your labor belongs to Aetna Consider, first of all, this fact. The bill, if it became law, would legally require a portion of Americans to pay more than 20% of the fruits of their labor to a private corporation in exchange for 70% of their health care costs. Consider a family of 4 making $66,150a family at 300% of the poverty level and therefore, hypothetically, at least, subsidized. That family would be expected to pay $6482.70 (in today's dollars) for premiumsor $540 a month. But that family could be required to pay $7973 out of pocket for copays and so on. So if that family had a significantbut not catastrophicmedical event, it would be asked to pay its insurer almost 22% of its income to cover health care. Several months ago, I showed why this was a recipe for continued medical bankruptcy (though the numbers have changed somewhat). But here's another way to think about it. Senate Democrats are requiring middle class families to give the proceeds of over a month of their work to a private corporationone allowed to make 15% or maybe even 25% profit on the proceeds of their labor. It's one thing to require a citizen to pay taxesto pay into the commons. It's another thing to require taxpayers to pay a private corporation, and to have up to 25% of that go to paying for luxuries like private jets and gyms for the company CEOs. It's the same kind of deal peasants made under feudalism: some proportion of their labor in exchange for protection (in this case, from bankruptcy from health problems, though the bill doesn't actually require the private corporations to deliver that much protection).In this case, the federal government becomes an appendage to do collections for the corporations. Mind you, not only will citizens be required to pay private corporations. But middle class citizens may be required to pay more to these private corporations than they pay in federal and state taxes. Using these numbers, this middle class family of four will pay roughly 15% in federal, state, and social security taxes. This family will pay around $10,015 for their share of the commonspaying for defense, roads, some policing, and their social safety net share. That's 15% of their income. They will, at a minimum, be asked to pay 9.8% of their income to the insurance company. And if they have a significant medical event, they'll pay 22%far, far more than they'll pay into the commons. So it's bad enough that this bill would require citizens to pay a tithe to a corporation. It's far worse when you consider that some citizens would pay more in their corporate tithe than they would to the commons. And, finally, while the Senate bill does not accord these corporate CEOs a droit de seigneurthe right to a woman's virginity the night of her marriageif Ben Nelson (and Bart Stupak) get their way, it would make a distinction in this entire compact for how the property of a woman's womb shall be treated... Read more: http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/12/15/health-care-on-the-road-to-neo-feudalism/
[FairfieldLife] Obama, Obama, Obama
Obama is a terrible person. He stole the election from Thunder Thighs and RD. He sold out to bankers. He engineered a subterfuge which enables insurance companies to make a killing in the guise of getting the first comprehensive healthcare reform bill enacted, the first after 6 decades of trying. He did this also in the pretense that the health care bill can be built upon in subsequent years, not unlike the Civil Rights Act or the first income tax or the first time Congress passed a bill which forced states to spend their own money to follow federal mandates, a form of taxation without representation. Obama is a skunk. Thunder Thighs would have done it all and better. Just like she did when her hubby was in office. Obama will suffer eternal damnation and the fires of Hell for everything he's done, starting with not conceding the election to Thunder Thighs. There. And I said it all without posting quote after quote of some other writer. Thunder Thighs and RD* * über alles.**
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama, Obama, Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: Obama is a terrible person. He stole the election from Thunder Thighs and RD. He sold out to bankers. He engineered a subterfuge which enables insurance companies to make a killing in the guise of getting the first comprehensive healthcare reform bill enacted, the first after 6 decades of trying. He did this also in the pretense that the health care bill can be built upon in subsequent years, not unlike the Civil Rights Act or the first income tax or the first time Congress passed a bill which forced states to spend their own money to follow federal mandates, a form of taxation without representation. Obama is a skunk. Thunder Thighs would have done it all and better. Just like she did when her hubby was in office. Obama will suffer eternal damnation and the fires of Hell for everything he's done, starting with not conceding the election to Thunder Thighs. There. And I said it all without posting quote after quote of some other writer. Thunder Thighs and RD* * über alles.** While many progressive heads explode over Obama's failure to deliver a health care bill with a public option, BillRideIt intensely wallows in Clinton Derangement Syndrome as if jerking off to images of Thunder Thighs somehow keeps his fantasy alive that Obama knows what he's doing and someday he'll get around to fixing the very shitty health care bill he pretended he didn't want but in fact wanted all along. If BillRideIt were a thinking man, which he's not, capable of appreciating Glenn Greenwald's astute read on Obama, his bubble head would explode and he'd be flopping around like a pathetic little fish in the puddle of cool aid that bursts from his brain. India knows a thing or two about thunder thighs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75PqTaH30Z4 http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2009/12/16/white_house/
