[FairfieldLife] FFL as baseball -- the pinch hater rule
The rule goes something like this: when your heavy- hitter hater is indisposed or taken out of the game for some reason, first whine a lot, and try to get the rules ignored so the hater can still bat. If that doesn't appear to work, designate one or more pinch-haters to take over. Keeps the game on the level you're used to. :-) In case no one has noticed, my schtick is to muse about something that strikes me odd in the spiritual world, postulate a thesis, and then sit back to see what the reaction is to that thesis. More often than not IMO, the reaction of those trying to disprove the thesis proves it instead. My latest such thesis was that when the beliefs of many people who consider themselves spiritual are challenged, they tend to lash out at the challengers as if attacked personally. The ideas challenged are almost never dealt with; instead the response is limited to laying into the challenger and demonizing him or her as much as humanly possible. This reaction tends to be most pronounced when the idea challenged is the existence of God, with the rationale that by attacking the disbeliever one is not only defending God (as if He needs it), but performing a noble, dharmic action that will gain His praise. But you tend to see the same react-by-attacking dynamic when the idea challenged is as silly as believing in a benevolent Prime Directive for visiting aliens. That idea has as much substance as believing that roaches, who after all have been on this planet far longer than humans and thus pass the oldness test have so grown in wisdom that they would have a philosophy of do no harm, to themselves and others. As it turns out, hungry roaches are the first to go cannibal and eat each other rather than starve. So the basic idea cannot be defended. What to do? Attack the person who points out that it cannot be defended. And if the person whose function has been self- defined as the designated attacker is out of the game for one reason or another, send in a pinch hater. A friend of my father's, a BIG baseball fan, used to say that you could see every situation in life in terms of baseball. He managed to see baseball analogies in almost everything, and I thought as a kid that was a little weird. Who knew that he was correct the whole time? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The first christian heretic REALLY excecuted by the Church
Fascinating historical trivia, EB. Thanks. It is worth pointing out that the thing that the Church found so challenging and heretical in the Gnostic philosophies was that they let God off the hook for evil. Gnostics (and others with a similar Dualist philosophy like the Cathars) believed that God never interacted with the physical world, and that everything there was created by and run by the Other Guy, the demiurge, or as he was called later, Satan. So anything perceived as wrong or injust about the world was his fault, not the fault of the Big Guy Beyond The Clouds. The Church was committed to the idea that God created everything, including evil and injustice. They perceived the Dualist philosophies as challenging that, and thus heretical, *especially* when Dualist beliefs like Catharism started to become much more popular than Catholic Christianity, and the heretics started to outnumber the faithful. The idea of letting God off the hook for evil and injustice and suffering played better with the masses in the Middle Ages, because there was a shitload of evil, injustice and suffering going around. If you were lucky, you got to die of old age at 40. What to do, if you're a Church set on world domination? Declare the folks who let God off the hook for the invention of evil heretics and kill them individually. If that doesn't silence the heresy (which, after all, is nothing more than an idea), declare two Crusades to kill them en masse, and create the Inquisition, to keep killing them with the sanction of the Church for another 600 years. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: Priscillian, Spanish churchman, bishop of Ávila. His appointment to the bishopric was protested by orthodox leaders, who had condemned his former activities as a lay preacher in S Spain, at the Synod of Zaragoza (380). Although Priscillian's ideas were repeatedly denounced, it is not clear that they were heretical. He was suspected of Manichaean and Gnostic leanings because he stressed puristic ideals, sought perfection in asceticism, and dabbled in astrology. The church had been attacking his views for some time when Roman Emperor Maximus ordered that Priscillian be put to death for practicing magic (astrology). Priscillian appealed to the emperor, with the unexpected result that, with six of his companions, he was beheaded at Trier in 385, the first Christian heretics to be put to death by Christians. This act had the approval of the synod which met at Trier in the same year ...
[FairfieldLife] Re: ROFLOL!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_re...@... wrote: So Turquoise B wears cool Firefly tshirts and you wear this: [Remember My Name] What's with that? ;-) Great T-shirt find, AZ. I'll comment on it and its message, because they seem relevant to me to not only the When your beliefs are challenged, react as if you've been attacked personally philosophy I've been talking about lately, and to the pinch hater rule that ensures that when the normally-designated attacker is unavailable that someone steps in to hate for them, but also to something far more important -- the intended *purpose* of the attack. It's to make the offender (or in this context, heretic) scream. The clear intent of many of the hater posts on Fairfield Life, curiously coming mostly from supposedly spiritual people, is to *hurt* the person they are attacking, as if the person's attack on them (which in many cases consists of merely challenging an idea they believe in) has hurt *them*, and they feel that they have to hurt someone back. Look at the expression on this T-shirt wearer's face. Look at what her T-shirt philosophy has *done* to that face. And yet people not only cling to the desire to reach out and hurt someone who has done nothing more than challenge an idea they hold dear, they *brag* about the hurt that they imagine they've done. Think back on the number of posts here that have claimed that the Bad Writing they have hurled in vengeance at someone has hurt the other person badly, and that -- one way or another -- the victim of the Bad Writing Attack is screaming as a result. These claims are often made in the face of the victim of the Bad Writing Attack either laughing at the attack and the attacker, or going about their business and ignoring the attack entirely, as if neither the attack or the attacker were worth their time. As far as I can tell, that last approach pisses off the chronic haters more than anything else. Being treated as if nothing they say matters and as if they are just blowhards not worth worrying about IMO reminds them that they ARE just blowhards and that nothing they say matters. So they redouble their efforts and follow up hate with more hate, making claims at the same time about how much they've hurt the other person, and how much the victims of their Bad Writing Attacks are really screaming inside. It's almost as if the disease that causes people to hate for a living has a side effect that causes them to over-imagine the impact and the effect of the hate. I think that anyone sensible looking at the T-shirt in the photo above, and then looking at the self-hatred-personified nature of the T-shirt wearer's face and body, cannot believe for a moment that this poor woman has ever in her whole life caused anyone to scream. But I'll bet that she claims she has, and thoroughly believes it.
[FairfieldLife] Defending oneself = defending one's self so much more...
I've suggested before on this forum that compulsively feeling that one has to defend oneself -- in terms of not only defending one's words and actions but defending the POV one has on those words and actions as the *only* valid POV -- seems to me almost by definition defending one's self. What else feels the need to defend itself *but* a self, small S? But today I'm going to rap about a sub-belief of com- pulsively feeling that one has to defend oneself, one that IMO has relevance to many spiritual organizations, including the TMO. That sub-belief, as expressed by those who believe it, seems to be that what one says *about* one's words and actions is more important than the words and actions themselves, and should be valued more highly than the original words and actions. You tend to see this belief in politics, in the behavior of celebrities trying to explain away a questionable set of words or even more questionable actions, and in the world of spirituality. Just *think* of all the times that the TMO has tried to come up with a defense of its actions as an organization, or of the actions of one of its leaders, *and expects those words to be believed*, and weighted more highly than the actual actions. Fairly recently, we were told that the explanations of how and why the poster boy for celibate enlightenment had really been married with children for seven years were more important than the action itself. And people, on the whole, went for it. I'm sure that anyone here who has paid their dues in the TMO (and several who have not but like to posture as if they had) can think of dozens of other instances of the TMO or one of its leaders defending their words or actions, and expect- ing listeners to weight their explanations more highly than the words and actions being defended. And succeeding. THAT is what I think lends the smell of rotten eggs to this scenario, the willingness with which long- term spiritual seekers are able to ignore the actual walking of the walk, and home in on and believe instead the talking of the talk. Naturally, one sees this same attempt to pile talk upon talk and explain away one's words and actions here on FFL as well. And interestingly, often it works. Some have become masters at the art of self-defense, claiming with a straight face that there is only one valid way to view their words and actions, the way that *they* view them. And people *buy* this shit. That's what blows my mind. It speaks to me of -- yes, I'll say it -- decades of brainwashing by an organization whose whole *act* was based on talking the talk and feeling that is *enough*, and that the talk always trumps the walk. Call me crazy, but I'm always gonna focus on the walk, and consider post-walk talk explaining or justifying or defending the walk less important than the walk. Talk is cheap. Walk is harder.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Churchill story
Parminides, You saw that Churchill incarnated on FFL too? Like a crop circle, he just appeared one day. Check it out: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/160827 -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, parminides parmini...@... wrote: During a recent Internet search I came across the following story about Winston Churchill that was posted by akasha_108 back in 2005 (cf. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/61698): One day, it must of been in his conservative days -- he jumped parties two or three times for political expediency -- he was at the long trough urinal in the House of Commons. A labor party leader came in and Winston proceeded to shuffle down to the far end of the urinal. The labor leader, said, 'Lord Churchill, you appear a bit stand-offish today.' Winston, grunted and coughed out, 'I am concerned about the labor's party grand propensity to nationalize everything of substance they lay their eyes on.' I love the story and would like to know the source. I cannot figure out how to email akasha_108 directly. It also appears that he hasn't posted here in several years. If someone knows akasha_108, I would appreciate it if you passed this message to them. Alternatively, if you know the source of the story yourself, I would appreciate a reply to this post. Thank you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL as baseball -- the pinch hater rule
So, it's all about Judy. TurquoiseB: The rule goes something like this: when your heavy- hitter hater is indisposed or taken out of the game for some reason, first whine a lot, and try to get the rules ignored so the hater can still bat. If that doesn't appear to work, designate one or more pinch-haters to take over. Keeps the game on the level you're used to. :-) In case no one has noticed, my schtick is to muse about something that strikes me odd in the spiritual world, postulate a thesis, and then sit back to see what the reaction is to that thesis. More often than not IMO, the reaction of those trying to disprove the thesis proves it instead. My latest such thesis was that when the beliefs of many people who consider themselves spiritual are challenged, they tend to lash out at the challengers as if attacked personally. The ideas challenged are almost never dealt with; instead the response is limited to laying into the challenger and demonizing him or her as much as humanly possible. This reaction tends to be most pronounced when the idea challenged is the existence of God, with the rationale that by attacking the disbeliever one is not only defending God (as if He needs it), but performing a noble, dharmic action that will gain His praise. But you tend to see the same react-by-attacking dynamic when the idea challenged is as silly as believing in a benevolent Prime Directive for visiting aliens. That idea has as much substance as believing that roaches, who after all have been on this planet far longer than humans and thus pass the oldness test have so grown in wisdom that they would have a philosophy of do no harm, to themselves and others. As it turns out, hungry roaches are the first to go cannibal and eat each other rather than starve. So the basic idea cannot be defended. What to do? Attack the person who points out that it cannot be defended. And if the person whose function has been self- defined as the designated attacker is out of the game for one reason or another, send in a pinch hater. A friend of my father's, a BIG baseball fan, used to say that you could see every situation in life in terms of baseball. He managed to see baseball analogies in almost everything, and I thought as a kid that was a little weird. Who knew that he was correct the whole time? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: What the Buddha did not teach
The word `enlightenment' does not appear anywhere in the Buddhist texts... That's because the Buddhist Sutras were not composed in English, but in Pali or Sanskrit. The Pali word 'bodhi' is translated into English as 'enlightenment'. The word 'bodhi' appears in the Surangama Sutra: My uncreated and unending profound Enlightenment accords with the Tathagatagarbha, which is absolute bodhi, and ensures my perfect insight into the Dharma realm [realm of Ultimate Truth], where the one is infinite and the infinite is one. Bodhi is an abstract noun formed from the verbal root budh (to awake, become aware, notice, know or understand,) corresponding to the verbs bujjhati (Pa-li) and bodhati or budhyate (Sanskrit)... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhi
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL as baseball -- the pinch hater rule
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip The rule goes something like this: when your heavy- hitter hater is indisposed or taken out of the game for some reason, first whine a lot, and try to get the rules ignored so the hater can still bat. If that doesn't appear to work, designate one or more pinch-haters to take over. Keeps the game on the level you're used to. :-) This is scary. Barry apparently means this to be an analogy to the past two days on FFL; the heavy-hitter hater he refers to is obviously supposed to be me, and the object of the hatred to be himself. But from there on, what he describes bears virtually no relationship to what has actually gone on. With the exception of Nabby, none of the people who argued against suspending me were either Barry-haters or Judy-fans. The only possible pinch-hater Barry could have in mind is Edg--and that argument began on Wednesday, three days before there was any issue about suspending me. In other words, Barry has imagined two days' worth of traffic on FFL that never actually happened. snip My latest such thesis was that when the beliefs of many people who consider themselves spiritual are challenged, they tend to lash out at the challengers as if attacked personally. The ideas challenged are almost never dealt with; instead the response is limited to laying into the challenger and demonizing him or her as much as humanly possible. This is also imaginary. All those who commented on Barry's challenge to the idea of God dealt with its substance; it was Barry who demonized the commenters, without addressing the substance of their comments. snip But you tend to see the same react-by-attacking dynamic when the idea challenged is as silly as believing in a benevolent Prime Directive for visiting aliens. That idea has as much substance as believing that roaches, who after all have been on this planet far longer than humans and thus pass the oldness test have so grown in wisdom that they would have a philosophy of do no harm, to themselves and others. As it turns out, hungry roaches are the first to go cannibal and eat each other rather than starve. So the basic idea cannot be defended. Except that, of course, the Prime Directive thesis assumes not only sentient beings, but sentient beings advanced enough (obviously) to have developed interstellar travel. Old and cannibalistic though they may be, cockroaches are neither sentient nor capable of interstellar visitation. I've been warning for some time that Barry was on the verge of going off the rails. With the post I'm responding to, involving paranoid hallucinations and wildly inappropriate analogies, I don't think there can be any question that Barry is now operating in a fully alternate reality.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Zakaria: Oil spill isnt about Obamas emotions
Kick it up a notch... authfriend: ...like giving new methods like Costner's a try, like getting Jones Act waivers so we can get some of the foreign assistance that's been offered. So, how many of Costner's 'oil-separating machines' are working in the gulf right now? COSTNER: --this machine's incredibly effective. It can actually spit out water at a 99.9 percent purity. 'Transcript: Costner Inspired by Exxon Valdez to Create Oil-Cleaning Machine' Good Morning America, June 14, 2010 http://tinyurl.com/2wge2q8
[FairfieldLife] Re: Einstein was a man of faith !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anatol_zinc anatol_z...@... wrote: OK, Hugo, You are entitled to your POV, just like the rest of us. If it makes you happy, more power to you. If not, maybe go outside your fixed POV and explore a little; that's what real scientist do; get a hug from Amma or whatever. It does make me happy old chap, but I still like to get out of my POV which is why I joined the TMO as a live-in psyche explorer, I still meditate but wasn't convinced that MMY had the answers I was looking for. For many reasons that I'd be happy to explain, I see the TMO as dogmatic rather than open minded and definitely not scientifc in any meaningful way. But it was great fun finding that out and fun is what life is fundamentally all about if you're doing it properly. Maharishi encouraged physicists in the 70's and 80's that it should be possible to fulfill Einstein's dream of formulating Unified Field theories. And they did come up with what are called string theories, if I remember correctly. Actually I don't think any one ever came up with a theory because MMY asked them to. Interestingly the string theories are about as much use as theology because they are unprovable, there are as many different versions as there are atoms in the universe making which one you're in tricky to pin down experimentally. And they aren't fundamental as they require a background to operate in and so aren't UF theories at all. In fact it was the hubris of string theorists with their belief that the universe could be explained mathematically that held back physics, no experiments = no certainty = no Nobel prizes. The LHC at CERN is more a kind of hit and hope machine than a way of testing a particluar thoery. Fun to see what it comes up with though And it's interesting that the attributes of the Unified Field string theories basically was/is the same as the attributes of the God of the mystics or even that of the core essence of religions if you know where to look ~ a field of seeming unmanifest nothingness with attributes of omnipresence-omniscience-omnipotence in which and from which all manifest creation arises. I think you muddy the waters here with this same as the mystics argument, that the universe may have started with a unified field isn't the same as MMYs field of intelligence as that is supposed to still be active in the world in an actually intelligent way, but no one ever explains why the quantum world appears essentially random which it surely wouldn't there was a god controlling it, epecially as that makes gods job of intervening in the world a tricky business. Add to that the conceit that we can affect the world at this level by meditating and it's clear they are two totally seperate concepts and that the quantum mystics are mis- appropriating the lingo to make everyone think they are the same thing and that TM science has a parralel at CERN. Or as many current teachers say, by giving up all definitions, all preconceptions, self-realize the awareness which may seem initially as total emptiness/nothingness and then observe that it contains everything. In other words, don't juts rely on science and scientist external to yourself, become a real scientist yourself and experience truth rather that try to define it, which of course you can always do later for the fun of communicating. Observe, record, reason, take a break, allow thoughts to stop, allow intuition, have confidence in your own intuition, observe without thoughts, repeat, have fun, be happy, get a hug once a year; this is my science. Mine too actually, except for the hug part, sounds like fun though..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Science will win what ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anatol_zinc anatol_z...@... wrote: Science will win what ? Science will win the race to explain what the universe is and where it came from. No contest really as the competition from the worlds religions amounts - to believe it or don't be a part of our religion. They don't really offer any convincing supporting evidence. Not that I've ever seen, quite the contrary in fact. Compare Genesis to On The Origin Of Species, no contest. Quote from some previous post: science will win because it works What an absurd and meaningless thing to say. Doesn't everything work? My new hard-drive recorder doesn't! Everything that happens works, but not necessarily for good. That's the thing about science, it's a tool and therefore has no moral sense of its own. It's us that decide whether to use for good purposes or bad. Mindless entertainment works to keep people mindless; does that mean it wins? Let's see how science works: Nuclear bombs work, gas chambers, thousands of dangerous chemicals, nuclear plants work very well at producing dangerous radiation waste, suicidal processed foods, can dig oil wells so deep cannot control them, go to the moon (what the heck for), produce weapons for war, transplant organs for a few at a staggering cost while billions go hungry, . Obviously, I'm leaving out some of the good stuff, to make this point because it does appear that survival of human race is at risk. I think going to the moon was one of the good things, what happened to your sense of wonder and willingness to think outside the box, break boundaries etc. I actually think the moon shots were worth it just for the photos they bought back. Man at his best.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Einstein was a man of faith !
Tell us what kind of experiment is needed to prove String Theories.? You don't seem to have much confidence about the LHC.? --- On Mon, 6/14/10, Hugo fintlewoodle...@mail.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Einstein was a man of faith ! Date: Monday, June 14, 2010, 8:20 AM It does make me happy old chap, but I still like to get out of my POV which is why I joined the TMO as a live-in psyche explorer, I still meditate but wasn't convinced that MMY had the answers I was looking for. For many reasons that I'd be happy to explain, I see the TMO as dogmatic rather than open minded and definitely not scientifc in any meaningful way. But it was great fun finding that out and fun is what life is fundamentally all about if you're doing it properly. Maharishi encouraged physicists in the 70's and 80's that it should be possible to fulfill Einstein's dream of formulating Unified Field theories. And they did come up with what are called string theories, if I remember correctly. Actually I don't think any one ever came up with a theory because MMY asked them to. Interestingly the string theories are about as much use as theology because they are unprovable, there are as many different versions as there are atoms in the universe making which one you're in tricky to pin down experimentally. And they aren't fundamental as they require a background to operate in and so aren't UF theories at all. In fact it was the hubris of string theorists with their belief that the universe could be explained mathematically that held back physics, no experiments = no certainty = no Nobel prizes. The LHC at CERN is more a kind of hit and hope machine than a way of testing a particluar thoery. Fun to see what it comes up with though And it's interesting that the attributes of the Unified Field string theories basically was/is the same as the attributes of the God of the mystics or even that of the core essence of religions if you know where to look ~ a field of seeming unmanifest nothingness with attributes of omnipresence-omniscience-omnipotence in which and from which all manifest creation arises. I think you muddy the waters here with this same as the mystics argument, that the universe may have started with a unified field isn't the same as MMYs field of intelligence as that is supposed to still be active in the world in an actually intelligent way, but no one ever explains why the quantum world appears essentially random which it surely wouldn't there was a god controlling it, epecially as that makes gods job of intervening in the world a tricky business. Add to that the conceit that we can affect the world at this level by meditating and it's clear they are two totally seperate concepts and that the quantum mystics are mis- appropriating the lingo to make everyone think they are the same thing and that TM science has a parralel at CERN. Or as many current teachers say, by giving up all definitions, all preconceptions, self-realize the awareness which may seem initially as total emptiness/nothingness and then observe that it contains everything. In other words, don't juts rely on science and scientist external to yourself, become a real scientist yourself and experience truth rather that try to define it, which of course you can always do later for the fun of communicating. Observe, record, reason, take a break, allow thoughts to stop, allow intuition, have confidence in your own intuition, observe without thoughts, repeat, have fun, be happy, get a hug once a year; this is my science. Mine too actually, except for the hug part, sounds like fun though..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Joran Van der Sloot Jyotish
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodle...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip And now you're putting words in my mouth, even though I've made it clear on any number of occasions--including to you--that I'm highly dubious of astrology in general. So why keep defending it? As I've already pointed out, you can't productively critique something if you don't understand how it's said to work. I haven't been defending it, I've been trying to explain it to you. But it's clear you don't want to do the mental work necessary to get clear on it; you'd rather just toss off your own harebrained straw-man criticisms. Oh right, I don't agree with you that it works in *any* noticeable way so *I* must have created a straw-man to argue against. This line of debate sounds familiar, you can't prove it so it's *me* that's wrong, I'm just too stupid to understand you. Duh. Wrong six ways to Sunday. It isn't that you're too stupid; you're *unwilling to extend yourself* beyond your preconceptions. And I don't choose my words at random: I referred to how it is *said to work*, which doesn't deny your contention that it doesn't work in any noticeable way (or at all, for that matter). So you can't use the disagreement excuse; I've acknowledged that I'm very dubious as to whether it actually works. My beef with your position is that you don't know how it's *said* to work. You *have* created straw men to argue against, as I and tartbrain have pointed out in some detail. That, of course, doesn't mean your conclusion is wrong, only that you've used inaccurate premises to justify it. (Well, wrong three ways to Sunday, anyway.) And there's me who actually learned how to draw up horoscopes MANUALLY, thus realising the amazing truth behind the maths. It's bollocks. You wont find a jyotishee to admit that because they probably all use computers and who knows, maybe they still think the sun goes round the earth. Just a straw-man of course, the fact it makes no physical sense is irrelevant to how well it works...* That's correct, it's irrelevant. If you could get *that* straight in your mind, and understand *why* it's irrelevant, you'd be in much better shape to argue that it doesn't work. Plus which, being able to do the calculations, manually or otherwise, is an irrelevant skill in this context. The math isn't bollocks; it's your understanding of what the math is designed to do that's bollocks. * Just in case you don't get that sarcasm, I am waiting really patiently for some evidence, you'd think it'd be forthcoming and unarguable after all these years but I've not seen it. I've looked too, and seen jyotishees myself and met countless believers, all to no avail. Nothing beyond wishful thinking, projection and selective editing. I'm not quite so absolute, but otherwise we have almost no disagreement here. Funny eh? And also rather suspicious, still maybe the the practise that seems not to work actually does but untraceably, maybe that's what I don't understand eh? Non sequitur. Call me fussy but I like things to be demonstrable in a way that discounts any alternative explanations, especially woo-woo or self-delusion. That's just me, moon in sagittarius. Entirely reasonable position to take. But in and of itself, it doesn't debunk astrology.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Einstein was a man of faith !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodle...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anatol_zinc anatol_zinc@ wrote: snip And it's interesting that the attributes of the Unified Field string theories basically was/is the same as the attributes of the God of the mystics or even that of the core essence of religions if you know where to look ~ a field of seeming unmanifest nothingness with attributes of omnipresence-omniscience-omnipotence in which and from which all manifest creation arises. I think you muddy the waters here with this same as the mystics argument, that the universe may have started with a unified field isn't the same as MMYs field of intelligence as that is supposed to still be active in the world in an actually intelligent way, but no one ever explains why the quantum world appears essentially random which it surely wouldn't there was a god controlling it, epecially as that makes gods job of intervening in the world a tricky business. Wow. That's your notion of what MMY meant by the Unified Field?
[FairfieldLife] John Cowhig
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[FairfieldLife] As luck would have it......
Why crossing your fingers works if you're lucky In laboratory conditions, people who are superstitious can succeed. Does that apply in real life? * [superstition-nadal] * * Rafael Nadal's winning way of superstitiously pulling up his socks before serving. Photograph: Tom Jenkins for the Guardian As someone who strives sanctimoniously to be right, I'm a masochistic fan of research showing that people who are wrong have better lives than I do. This is why I particularly enjoyed a study from Psychological Science showing that being superstitious improves performance in a whole string of different tasks. Now, I'm always a bit conflicted about this kind of psychology http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/psychology research. On my left shoulder is an angel who points out it's risky to extrapolate from laboratory conditions to the real world; that publication bias in this field (the phenomenon where uninteresting findings get left in a desk drawer unpublished forever) is probably considerable; and that it's uncommon to see a genuinely systematic review of the literature on these kinds of topics, bringing together all the conflicting research in one place. I am not Malcolm Gladwell, if that helps to frame the issue more clearly, and I think his books are a bit silly and overstated. On my right shoulder is a devil who thinks this stuff is all really cool and fun. He is typing right now. The researchers did four miniature experiments. In the first, they took 28 students, more than 80% of whom said they believed in good luck, and randomly assigned them to either a superstition-activated or a control condition. Then they put them on a putting green. To activate a superstition, for half of them, when handing over the ball the experimenter said: Here is your ball. So far it has turned out to be a lucky ball. For the other half, the experimenter just said: This is the ball everyone has used so far. Each participant had 10 goes at trying to get a hole in one from a distance of 100cm (39in). And lo, the students playing with a lucky ball did significantly better than the others, with a mean score of 6.42, against 4.75 for the others. Then they moved on to a second experiment. Fifty-one students were asked to perform a motor-dexterity task, an irritating, fiddly Perspex game to get 36 little balls into 36 little holes by tilting the box. Beforehand, they were randomly assigned to one of three groups, each hearing a different phrase just before starting. The superstition activator was I press the thumbs for you, a German equivalent of the English expression I keep my fingers crossed. Of the two control or comparison groups, members of one were told I press the watch for you, with the idea that this implied a similar level of encouragement (I'm not so sure about that) and the others were told On 'go' you go. As predicted, those who were told someone was keeping their fingers crossed for them finished the task significantly faster. Then things got more interesting, as the researchers tried to unpick why this was happening. They took 41 students who had a lucky charm, and asked them to bring it to the session. It was either kept in the room or taken out to be photographed. Then they were told about the memory task they were due to perform, and asked questions about how confident they felt. The ones with their lucky charm in the room performed better in the memory game than those without and also reported higher levels of self-efficacy, which was correlated with performance. Finally, they probed these mechanisms even further. Thirty-one students were asked to bring their lucky charm; it was either taken away or not, and they were given an anagram task. Before starting, they were asked to set a goal: what percentage of all the hidden words did they think they could find? Then they began: as expected, participants who had their lucky charm in the room performed better and reported a higher degree of self-efficacy as before. But, more than that, they set higher goals and persisted longer in working on the anagram task. So there you go. Almost everyone has some kind of superstition (mine is that I should mention I noticed this study through my friends Vaughan Bell and Ed Yong on Twitter). What's interesting is that superstition works, because it improves confidence, lets you set higher goals and encourages you to work harder. In a lab. You now know everything you need to decide if this applies to your life. From Ben Goldacre's Bad Science column here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jun/12/bad-science-goldacre-super\ stition http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jun/12/bad-science-goldacre-supe\ rstition
[FairfieldLife] The second coming?
http://swns.com/couple-find-face-of-baby-jesus-in-wallpaper-while-decorating-their-kitchen-091324.html Quite why Jesus would choose to make his great return in a manner like these never seems to enter the minds of people like this. God moves in mysterious ways?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Science will win what ?
I beg your pardon, there is no race here. All religions were created during the pre-industrial agricultural civilisation. People who believe in these religions have first wave mentality. These people have a romantic imagination of how life was during the first wave era. Life was actually brutal and short. So there is no race or competition here. Science is the only viable method. --- On Mon, 6/14/10, Hugo fintlewoodle...@mail.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Science will win what ? Date: Monday, June 14, 2010, 8:30 AM --- anatol_zinc anatol_z...@... wrote: Science will win what ? Science will win the race to explain what the universe is and where it came from. No contest really as the competition from the worlds religions amounts - to believe it or don't be a part of our religion. They don't really offer any convincing supporting evidence. Not that I've ever seen, quite the contrary in fact. Compare Genesis to On The Origin Of Species, no contest. Quote from some previous post: science will win because it works What an absurd and meaningless thing to say. Doesn't everything work? My new hard-drive recorder doesn't! Everything that happens works, but not necessarily for good. That's the thing about science, it's a tool and therefore has no moral sense of its own. It's us that decide whether to use for good purposes or bad. Mindless entertainment works to keep people mindless; does that mean it wins? Let's see how science works: Nuclear bombs work, gas chambers, thousands of dangerous chemicals, nuclear plants work very well at producing dangerous radiation waste, suicidal processed foods, can dig oil wells so deep cannot control them, go to the moon (what the heck for), produce weapons for war, transplant organs for a few at a staggering cost while billions go hungry,…. Obviously, I'm leaving out some of the good stuff, to make this point because it does appear that survival of human race is at risk. I think going to the moon was one of the good things, what happened to your sense of wonder and willingness to think outside the box, break boundaries etc. I actually think the moon shots were worth it just for the photos they bought back. Man at his best.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ROFLOL!
authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool ffl...@... wrote: I just assumed it was someone hijacking card's email address. As far as I know, the real card's name is not John, he does not live in SF, he lives in one of those Scandanavian contries where paying more than half your money in taxes actually gets you something. Good lord. Card was quoting a spam post from some blog he reads that was made, complete with link, by Jon of San Francisco. Card thought it was funny. That's why the subject heading is ROFLOL! I mean, really...how difficult is that to figure out?? A blog? ROTLOL! Perhaps you should go up the URL to the home page of Adult Finder really is. Then you'll know that the blog is really an ad. Of course if you are too saintly to do such a thing then here is the Wikipedia info on the Penthouse owned website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_FriendFinder
[FairfieldLife] Re: ROFLOL!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: I just assumed it was someone hijacking card's email address. As far as I know, the real card's name is not John, he does not live in SF, he lives in one of those Scandanavian contries where paying more than half your money in taxes actually gets you something. Good lord. Card was quoting a spam post from some blog he reads that was made, complete with link, by Jon of San Francisco. Card thought it was funny. That's why the subject heading is ROFLOL! I mean, really...how difficult is that to figure out?? A blog? ROTLOL! Perhaps you should go up the URL to the home page of Adult Finder really is. Then you'll know that the blog is really an ad. Bhairitu, please just read what I wrote again, with attention this time. Of course if you are too saintly to do such a thing then here is the Wikipedia info on the Penthouse owned website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_FriendFinder
[FairfieldLife] Rubicon -- new TV Series
After the great third season finale of Breaking Bad last night AMC followed up with a non-commercial interrupted preview of a new series, Rubicon, which launches in August. My cuppa tea as I've got to love any series that's log line is not all conspiracies are theories. Yup, Hollywood has discovered that conspiracy sells. But then they knew that for years it's just that BushCo put a kibosh on such films. Remember Ashcroft meeting with Hollywood and telling them they had to stop making government look bad in the movies and TV? Here's the pilot for those who missed it: http://www.amctv.com/videos/?bcpid=1740031430
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lock-down on the Gulf
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brian64705 no_re...@... wrote: I sent your comment to James Fox via Facebook and he responded: I've got more info coming VERY soon that will support my oberservations of a strong military presence in that area. I also have footage from the air of the oil marching into the shores and wet lands coming within 5 hours. Thank you for writing to me and keep in touch, james He doesn't address any of my objections to the claims he made in the original phone interview, actually. The military he's seeing are Louisiana National Guard troops who are helping with cleanup: http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/national_guard_troops_build_fl.html http://tinyurl.com/2cturp7 And the invasion of the Louisiana wetlands (as far as 20 miles inland) by the oil has been very widely reported in the media, so that's no great revelation. In view of recent media headlines being much worse than was thought, I should note that when I said-- There's some uncertainty about the exact volume of the oil flow, but it simply isn't the case that the disaster is much bigger than what is being reported --I was referring to the notion being promoted by some that (1) the spill is *many times* greater than was being reported, and that (2) its immense size was being kept secret. If you go with the earliest government estimates of 5,000 barrels per day--as some of the media stories are doing because it makes for a better story--yes, it's many times greater than that; the most responsible new estimates cite an upper amount of 40,000 bpd. (Some are claiming upwards of 100,000 bpd, but there doesn't appear to be any evidence for it being that much.) But that 5,000 bpd estimate was demolished fairly quickly by a government-sponsored panel of scientists who figured it was somewhere between 15,000 and 25,000 bpd. The new higher amount of 40,000 bpd is less than twice the previous one. And again, as these increasingly high estimates are being arrived at, they're reported right away. Nobody really knows for sure; it's extremely difficult to get a close estimate because the situation is so complicated.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Science will win what ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_sp...@... wrote:  I beg your pardon, there is no race here. All religions were created during the pre-industrial agricultural civilisation. People who believe in these religions have first wave mentality.  These people have a romantic imagination of how life was during the first wave era. Life was actually brutal and short.  So there is no race or competition here. That's a fair point but the first wavers do seem to be hanging around longer than you'd think. Must be all that eternal life they promise, good idea that - keeps em keen. I was hoping it was a race as I won't live forever and I really hope to at least have an inkling of this Theory of Everything that seems to be achievable. Be nice to know that everything has been accounted for, be nicer if I can actually understand it too. Science is the only viable method. As long as we can still argue about it, I agree. --- On Mon, 6/14/10, Hugo fintlewoodle...@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Science will win what ? Date: Monday, June 14, 2010, 8:30 AM  --- anatol_zinc anatol_zinc@ wrote: Science will win what ? Science will win the race to explain what the universe is and where it came from. No contest really as the competition from the worlds religions amounts - to believe it or don't be a part of our religion. They don't really offer any convincing supporting evidence. Not that I've ever seen, quite the contrary in fact. Compare Genesis to On The Origin Of Species, no contest. Quote from some previous post: science will win because it works What an absurd and meaningless thing to say. Doesn't everything work? My new hard-drive recorder doesn't! Everything that happens works, but not necessarily for good. That's the thing about science, it's a tool and therefore has no moral sense of its own. It's us that decide whether to use for good purposes or bad. Mindless entertainment works to keep people mindless; does that mean it wins? Let's see how science works: Nuclear bombs work, gas chambers, thousands of dangerous chemicals, nuclear plants work very well at producing dangerous radiation waste, suicidal processed foods, can dig oil wells so deep cannot control them, go to the moon (what the heck for), produce weapons for war, transplant organs for a few at a staggering cost while billions go hungry,â¦. Obviously, I'm leaving out some of the good stuff, to make this point because it does appear that survival of human race is at risk. I think going to the moon was one of the good things, what happened to your sense of wonder and willingness to think outside the box, break boundaries etc. I actually think the moon shots were worth it just for the photos they bought back. Man at his best.  Â
[FairfieldLife] Look up in the skies! It's Big Brother!
The Federal Aviation Administration has been asked to issue flying rights for a range of pilotless planes to carry out civilian and law-enforcement functions but has been hesitant to act. Officials are worried that they might plow into airliners, cargo planes and corporate jets that zoom around at high altitudes, or helicopters and hot air balloons that fly as low as a few hundred feet off the ground. http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0614/faa-pressure-open-skies-drones/ And now a word from our resident FFL neo fascists...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ROFLOL!
authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: I just assumed it was someone hijacking card's email address. As far as I know, the real card's name is not John, he does not live in SF, he lives in one of those Scandanavian contries where paying more than half your money in taxes actually gets you something. Good lord. Card was quoting a spam post from some blog he reads that was made, complete with link, by Jon of San Francisco. Card thought it was funny. That's why the subject heading is ROFLOL! I mean, really...how difficult is that to figure out?? A blog? ROTLOL! Perhaps you should go up the URL to the home page of Adult Finder really is. Then you'll know that the blog is really an ad. Bhairitu, please just read what I wrote again, with attention this time. I READ your post the first time. And in your OCD interest of being perfect suggested you actually find out what that website does. How's the heat in NJ these days?
[FairfieldLife] Re: ROFLOL!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: I just assumed it was someone hijacking card's email address. As far as I know, the real card's name is not John, he does not live in SF, he lives in one of those Scandanavian contries where paying more than half your money in taxes actually gets you something. Good lord. Card was quoting a spam post from some blog he reads that was made, complete with link, by Jon of San Francisco. Card thought it was funny. That's why the subject heading is ROFLOL! I mean, really...how difficult is that to figure out?? A blog? ROTLOL! Perhaps you should go up the URL to the home page of Adult Finder really is. Then you'll know that the blog is really an ad. Bhairitu, please just read what I wrote again, with attention this time. I READ your post the first time. And in your OCD interest of being perfect suggested you actually find out what that website does. How's the heat in NJ these days? OK, I guess you also need to read what I was responding to. The point is that card was quoting something he found on a blog that he thought was funny. He doesn't have malware on his system, nor did somebody hijack his email address (at least, not that his post indicates).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The first christian heretic REALLY excecuted by the Church
You might be pleased to know that the inquisition is still alive and active in the Roman church under its post-1965 name. One of the nuns at my hospital is a Benedictine and their whole order here in the US is being examined by the inquisitors. See below. BTW, the TMO dogs are just local small town hoods compared to these guys. CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH Founded in 1542 by Pope Paul III with the Constitution Licet ab initio, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was originally called the Sacred Congregation of the Universal Inquisition as its duty was to defend the Church from heresy. It is the oldest of the Curia's nine congregations. Pope St. Pius X in 1908 changed the name to the Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office. It received its current name in 1965 with Pope Paul VI. Today, according to Article 48 http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_constitutions/docu\ ments/hf_jp-ii_apc_19880628_pastor-bonus-roman-curia_en.html#CONGREGATIO\ NS of the Apostolic Constitution on the Roman Curia, Pastor Bonus http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_constitutions/docu\ ments/hf_jp-ii_apc_19880628_pastor-bonus-index_en.html , promulgated by the Holy Father John Paul II on June 28, 1988, «the duty proper to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is to promote and safeguard the doctrine on the faith and morals throughout the Catholic world: for this reason everything which in any way touches such matter falls within its competence. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Fascinating historical trivia, EB. Thanks. It is worth pointing out that the thing that the Church found so challenging and heretical in the Gnostic philosophies was that they let God off the hook for evil. Gnostics (and others with a similar Dualist philosophy like the Cathars) believed that God never interacted with the physical world, and that everything there was created by and run by the Other Guy, the demiurge, or as he was called later, Satan. So anything perceived as wrong or injust about the world was his fault, not the fault of the Big Guy Beyond The Clouds. The Church was committed to the idea that God created everything, including evil and injustice. They perceived the Dualist philosophies as challenging that, and thus heretical, *especially* when Dualist beliefs like Catharism started to become much more popular than Catholic Christianity, and the heretics started to outnumber the faithful. The idea of letting God off the hook for evil and injustice and suffering played better with the masses in the Middle Ages, because there was a shitload of evil, injustice and suffering going around. If you were lucky, you got to die of old age at 40. What to do, if you're a Church set on world domination? Declare the folks who let God off the hook for the invention of evil heretics and kill them individually. If that doesn't silence the heresy (which, after all, is nothing more than an idea), declare two Crusades to kill them en masse, and create the Inquisition, to keep killing them with the sanction of the Church for another 600 years. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Priscillian, Spanish churchman, bishop of Ávila. His appointment to the bishopric was protested by orthodox leaders, who had condemned his former activities as a lay preacher in S Spain, at the Synod of Zaragoza (380). Although Priscillian's ideas were repeatedly denounced, it is not clear that they were heretical. He was suspected of Manichaean and Gnostic leanings because he stressed puristic ideals, sought perfection in asceticism, and dabbled in astrology. The church had been attacking his views for some time when Roman Emperor Maximus ordered that Priscillian be put to death for practicing magic (astrology). Priscillian appealed to the emperor, with the unexpected result that, with six of his companions, he was beheaded at Trier in 385, the first Christian heretics to be put to death by Christians. This act had the approval of the synod which met at Trier in the same year ...
[FairfieldLife] The Jesus Wars and the Gangster Synod
After dualist, Orthodox Christianity had gained ascendancy over the Gnostics in much of the Roman Empire; heated debate continued over the two aspects of the Person of Jesus: human and Divine; and how to precisely define the combining of the two aspects. However, in Orthodox circles, the Divine didn't apparently apply to Gnosis; but rather the Divinity of Jesus as part of a Triune Personalist Deity. http://www.uscatholic.org/node/5820
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ROFLOL!
authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: I just assumed it was someone hijacking card's email address. As far as I know, the real card's name is not John, he does not live in SF, he lives in one of those Scandanavian contries where paying more than half your money in taxes actually gets you something. Good lord. Card was quoting a spam post from some blog he reads that was made, complete with link, by Jon of San Francisco. Card thought it was funny. That's why the subject heading is ROFLOL! I mean, really...how difficult is that to figure out?? A blog? ROTLOL! Perhaps you should go up the URL to the home page of Adult Finder really is. Then you'll know that the blog is really an ad. Bhairitu, please just read what I wrote again, with attention this time. I READ your post the first time. And in your OCD interest of being perfect suggested you actually find out what that website does. How's the heat in NJ these days? OK, I guess you also need to read what I was responding to. The point is that card was quoting something he found on a blog that he thought was funny. He doesn't have malware on his system, nor did somebody hijack his email address (at least, not that his post indicates). I responded to Card's post and deleted via the web my response because it included the link and reposted a post sans link. John quoted my post before it disappeared. But I would tend to agree that malware wouldn't have put that subject. Card just wasn't thinkin'. I was just saying that people should trace back up the link to see what the site really is. It's well known around the Internet and many laugh because they figure that the images there don't really belong to the people advertising but taken from a catalog of models (which of course Penthouse would own a lot of).
[FairfieldLife] Re: ROFLOL!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: I just assumed it was someone hijacking card's email address. As far as I know, the real card's name is not John, he does not live in SF, he lives in one of those Scandanavian contries where paying more than half your money in taxes actually gets you something. Good lord. Card was quoting a spam post from some blog he reads that was made, complete with link, by Jon of San Francisco. Card thought it was funny. That's why the subject heading is ROFLOL! I mean, really...how difficult is that to figure out?? A blog? ROTLOL! Perhaps you should go up the URL to the home page of Adult Finder really is. Then you'll know that the blog is really an ad. Bhairitu, please just read what I wrote again, with attention this time. I READ your post the first time. And in your OCD interest of being perfect suggested you actually find out what that website does. How's the heat in NJ these days? OK, I guess you also need to read what I was responding to. The point is that card was quoting something he found on a blog that he thought was funny. He doesn't have malware on his system, nor did somebody hijack his email address (at least, not that his post indicates). I responded to Card's post and deleted via the web my response because it included the link and reposted a post sans link. John quoted my post before it disappeared. Don't know what John of FFL has to do with any of this. But for the record, he didn't quote your post, unless he's since deleted the post he made. He did respond to card's post directly and quoted it, including the link. But I would tend to agree that malware wouldn't have put that subject. Card just wasn't thinkin'. I was just saying that people should trace back up the link to see what the site really is. Well, you weren't just saying that, you said a bunch of insulting things to me because you don't seem to have understood the point I was making (which it now turns out you agree with). And BTW, I did look at the site briefly before I made my post. It calls itself a blog, whatever else it may be.
[FairfieldLife] A Beautiful Actress Becomes a Nun
Given the hosts of activities and opportunities in the relative world, Dolores Hart left her promising acting career and became a nun. Would the modern woman of this generation do the same? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKGmDifYq60
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ROFLOL!
authfriend wrote: Well, you weren't just saying that, you said a bunch of insulting things to me because you don't seem to have understood the point I was making (which it now turns out you agree with). You insult people all the time on FFL. Back at you. You can't take your own medicine can you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] i26 Hyperimmune egg
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Yifu Xero yifux...@yahoo.com wrote: I26 is an all-natural powder produced from the eggs of hyper-immunized hens. It has been clinically shown over the past 20 years to support the immune system and help with gastrointestinal insults and digestive issues from Life Extension, May, 2010, page 86. A retailer has a Facebook setup: http://www.facebook.com/LegacyforLife I haven't tried it yet but it looks promising. Expensive at $42 per 140 grams. Ad says this product may not need to be taken every day. You might want to take a look at Youth Tissue Extract put out Swanson Labs. I was talked into taking it a few years ago and it really gave my immune system and cardiovascular system a boost. It's made out of egg. -- America always chooses to do the right thing -- after it's tried everything else-- Winston Churchill
[FairfieldLife] Re: ROFLOL!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: authfriend wrote: Well, you weren't just saying that, you said a bunch of insulting things to me because you don't seem to have understood the point I was making (which it now turns out you agree with). You insult people all the time on FFL. Back at you. You can't take your own medicine can you. I rarely insult anybody *mistakenly*, and when I do, I apologize.
[FairfieldLife] Re: i26 Hyperimmune egg
Thx, I take that also (YTE - Youth Tissue Extract); my current experimental program so far on boosting the immune system: 1. YTE - from eggs 2. i-26 Hyperimmune eggs 3. Symbiotics Plus colostrum (supposedly better than regular colostrum); a key ingredient being PRP (Proline-rich Polypeptides); which can be purchased separately: Naturade PRO NTD 3050235, from Vitacost. I wrote that in my notes. Here's a tinyurl next to it, could apply: http://www.tinyurl.com/279rg5m ... On the person with liver cancer needing a transplant, no information on what % of the liver is still functioning, not taken over by cancer. There's still a chance for recovery, but probably not with radiation and chemo. I would recommend large doses of astaxanthin, 3x per day. This is a fat-soluble carotenoid which in diluted concentrations has a pink color; but when concentrated is darker red. Found in various crustaceans and birds which eat those crustaceans such as flamingoes (giving their feathers a pink color). Also found in salmon, making them pink and offering protection from various environmental assaults. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Yifu Xero yifux...@... wrote: I26 is an all-natural powder produced from the eggs of hyper-immunized hens. It has been clinically shown over the past 20 years to support the immune system and help with gastrointestinal insults and digestive issues from Life Extension, May, 2010, page 86. A retailer has a Facebook setup: http://www.facebook.com/LegacyforLife I haven't tried it yet but it looks promising. Expensive at $42 per 140 grams. Ad says this product may not need to be taken every day. You might want to take a look at Youth Tissue Extract put out Swanson Labs. I was talked into taking it a few years ago and it really gave my immune system and cardiovascular system a boost. It's made out of egg. -- America always chooses to do the right thing -- after it's tried everything else-- Winston Churchill
[FairfieldLife] Re: Look up in the skies! It's Big Brother!
Bhairitu: And now a word from our resident FFL neo fascists... You probably have a camera on your cell phone, Bro.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ROFLOL!
Well, you weren't just saying that, you said a bunch of insulting things to me because you don't seem to have understood the point I was making (which it now turns out you agree with). You insult people all the time on FFL. Back at you. You can't take your own medicine can you. authfriend: I rarely insult anybody *mistakenly*, and when I do, I apologize. Waxed, again!
[FairfieldLife] The Haters and the Hated
In my observation and experience, people who obnoxiously throw their weight around and make it clear they consider themselves superior to everyone else fall into two categories. The first type have *grounds* for thinking highly of themselves. The second type do not. The first type are more likely to be the targets of hatred. The second type are more likely to be the targets of contempt. It's hard to hate a person who is obviously inadequate, no matter how annoying they may be. The second type are also more likely to be haters themselves. In their heart of hearts, they know they're phonies, and they hate those who see through them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Look up in the skies! It's Big Brother!
WillyTex wrote: Bhairitu: And now a word from our resident FFL neo fascists... You probably have a camera on your cell phone, Bro. Are you one of these people who believe that camera is on all the time? If it were it would really run down the battery fast taking pictures of the top of my desk.
[FairfieldLife] Alternatives to Neo-Advaita
By way of example, as in most of the BATGAP people. I would also include the non-devotional Advaitins such as Jerry. OTOH, although Ramana Maharshi was definitely an Advaitin, he was clearly devotional to Arunachala Shiva. ... The BATGAP Neo-Advaitins for the most part such as Gangaji, Adyashanti, etc; and others such as Eckart Tolle may occasionally pay lip service to people like Ramana, but on the whole, they continue to assert - in so many words - that they seem to have gone beyond the benfits of devotion in a relational, dualist sense and no longer need it. In other words, they're saying devotion is good on the Path to Unity but after the goal is attained, no need for it anymore. But genuine Saints like Ramakrishna and Ramana continued in their devotion after Self-Realization. What I'm asserting (more evidence to be presented later); is that Neo-Advaita ala Flanagin and the others is a particular route to what they say is a field of happiness, peace, and Bliss; but there are also: a. various contradictions within the scope of Neo-Advaita itself b. alternatives to Neo-Advaita c. probable states of Consciousness beyond Neo-Advaita encompassing the complete range of wisdom of the entire Cosmic Mandala bubble diagram. d. states of communication in which people can associate directly with Guardian Angels (Cf. Padre Pio); Mary, Jesus, etc; and in the case of Ramakrishna: Kali. e. Neo-Advaitins seem to readily dismiss siddhis, saying essentially they are beyond such things. But Ramakrishna and Nityananda frequently gave demonstrations of Siddhis. Various Catholic Saints are well known for healing large numbers of people, even in modern history (again, Padre Pio for example). f. I've not seen evidence of genuine Siddhis among the Neo-Advaitinsand I'm talking about genuine USEFUL siddhis, healing cancer for example. ... As to a. contradictions within Neo-Advaita, Nisargadatta clearly says there's no individuality in his I AM THAT state. In Suzanne Segal's book, she says that early on after Realization, she concluded there was no individuality but near her death, realized the falsity of that conclusion and concluded that she was indeed, an individual! Flanagin seems not to have fallen into the Nisargatta trap of no individual or ego; but says those characteristics simply are in their right place. ... check out St. Gemma Galgani, a Stigmatist who was also seen physically levitating on occasion. http://www.stgemma.com/ ... It also appears that the Neo-Advaitins for the most part have not yet reached the very first stage of progress in Sant Mat.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Alternatives to Neo-Advaita
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of yifuxero Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:01 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Alternatives to Neo-Advaita But genuine Saints like Ramakrishna and Ramana continued in their devotion after Self-Realization. As did Shankara. He said, The intellect imagines duality for the sake of devotion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Visiting the Saints
Nice day in Fairfield today with Karunamayi, one of the lady saints. Karunamayi met with folks at the new Fairfield Civics Center. The meeting started this morning with a real nice led meditation and short talk about some of the maha-mantras. Then the meeting switched over to having individual darshan. She was very generous with her time. That program went on for hours with a lot of folks coming in for it. Several hundreds. Obviously a large influx of folks after the dome morning program had finished and at noon again when the Invincible America course folks got out. She went until late in the afternoon giving darshan and then met with the remaining group of folks and talked afterwards. Was a lot like being with MMY during the late 60's and early 70's sitting and talking about things spiritual. Buck in FF That is `The department of the Almighty does it`. It is not the individual - it is the department. And it is only one way, it is not two ways. The help is not given, it is received. It is received by our ability to attune with that. And that ability develops with devotion, surrender and service. These three things - automatically one is elevated to that level. And help doesn`t come from outside, it comes from right were we are, from our own being. But those unaware of one`s own being have this mechanics to help them. And this is true for all the saints in all the times through out the world.` Question: Guru Dev must have been fully enlightened. Now after leaving the body nothing remains in the relative - just absolute. Then how do we invoke and to whom? And if there is nobody to be invoked, then what is the use? MAHARISHI: Some such similar question I asked Guru Dev once. What happened was, naturally people came to the ashram from all over India to pay respect to Guru Dev, once or twice a year according to their own convenience. And when they were come, they were narrating all sorts of stories: the child was sick, they had a lawsuit, all sorts of difficulties. And then, thinking of Guru Dev, that thing disappeared. Hearing all these things for a long time one night I asked Guru Dev: `What is this? These people don`t even write to Guru Dev. Guru Dev doesn`t know they are in difficulty on the surface of life. And then, how do they report they had a vision or some thought of Guru Dev and from that time everything started to be smooth? If they wrote a letter and the difficulty came to the notice of Guru Dev and then they got out of their difficulties, I could understand it. But they don`t write letters, they just have the devotion to Guru Dev and they have some thought of Guru Dev.` And Guru Dev`s reply was: `It`s the department of the Almighty, and he does it.` It took me about two years to understand - because I quite remember the time - what was meant by `It is the department of the Almighty`. How I understand it was this: We have the picture of Guru Dev as when we do Puja. That form, that photo, that picture is the physical expression of the form which had a mind which was fully enlightened and omnipresent. So once we see the form, our eyes associate with the form very naturally, because the physical and the mental run parallel. And once the form is in our vision, in our awareness, then naturally our mind gets in tune with the mind which occupied that form once upon a time. The form was occupied by a mind, that mind is an all time reality, eternal. The barriers of time are no barrier for it - continuum. The body is no more, but the form is there. And once we tune our eyes, perception, vision and cognition to that - because that was held up by a mind that was enlightened - naturally our mind gets in tune. And because that mind was and is and will for ever be omnipresent, immediately our mind gets in tune with the omnipresent. And right away the help comes from where we are. Help comes from absolute being, which is the nature of our own mind. But that image, that picture becomes a positive and concrete medium to have that mechanics performed for our mind. So help comes from our own being because it comes through that form naturally our devotion to that. That is `The department of the Almighty does it`. It is not the individual - it is the department. And it is only one way, it is not two ways. The help is not given, it is received. It is received by our ability to attune with that. And that ability develops with devotion, surrender and service. These three things - automatically one is elevated to that level. And help doesn`t come from outside, it comes from right were we are, from our own being. But those unaware of one`s own being have this mechanics to help them. And this is true for all the saints in all the times through out the world.` Maharishi, Vlodrop 12.1.09
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Alternatives to Neo-Advaita
Rick No citations? In a world of made-up wisdom, such as NewAge, NeoAdvaita or NeoBuddhist claims, authentic sources are the only protection against more relativistic BS. No sourcing - no authenticity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: As did Shankara. He said, The intellect imagines duality for the sake of devotion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: John Cowhig
Oh man, that is just heart breaking to hear. John is such a great guy. Damn, of all the people for this to happen to. Shocked and sad. And hopeful. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: John Cowhig has liver cancer. Friends and family ore looking for a donor: http://www.facebook.com/reqs.php#!/group.php?gid=133367703343417 http://www.facebook.com/reqs.php#!/group.php?gid=133367703343417ref=ts ref=ts
[FairfieldLife] Re: Science will win what ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodle...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anatol_zinc anatol_zinc@ wrote: Science will win what ? Science will win the race to explain what the universe is and where it came from. dear hugo, the ancient Vedic Sages( real scientists in my POV ) have already done that and since then, there have always been and currently are some self-realized mystics, yogis, saints and sages to confirm and pass on the eternal universal principles of life and source and their oneness. at this period of time, there seems to be an upsurge of folks, even many ordinary walking amongst us, that are awakening to these eternal universal principles and sharing their self-realization experiences on Rick's batgap.com, Richard Miller's nevernothere.com, conscious.tv, mooji.com, satsangwithstuart.com, many teachers on youtube, and many other websites, Adyashanti, Eckhart Tolle, sufi mystic Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee, http://hamsa-yoga.org/ oh, great saints like amma.org, karunamayi.org, shreemaa.org, others why not start and do your own research like the ancients did and arrive at your own conclusions instead of arguing who is right or wrong and relying on external knowledge which is constantly changing ask yourself who am I? and listen sincerely clue: the real answer is non-verbal, it's called self-realization om namah sivaya, anatol
