[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: If I may interject here, AAB -- AFAIK I am neither MZ, nor William of Occam -- but just for the record, I also found at a certain point that CC, GC, and UC were both experienceable at will and were essentially ephemeral: that is, they too were simply experiences which had a beginning and an ending, being waves or manifestations of a much larger That, or Us -- which is a priori and is a kind of indescribable perfection which simply IS and has always been here and now, but which we had conveniently managed to overlook by virtue of being unconsciously attached to the idea of a separate experiencer: an I-particle which was addicted to the idea of growth, of being in spacetime, which consequently rejected that Us as being its own death. Perhaps not coincidentally, it was RC himself who in confronting me delivered one of the coups-de-grace which finally shook Us loose from that particular identification. (For which, thank you again, Robin.) But it appears many others have come to the same realization. One such was Jay Latham, who wrote in Galaxy of Fire of this Understanding and of his confronting Maharishi with his realization that CC, GC, and UC were essentially BS (my paraphrase) and of Maharishi's vehemently enthusiastic endorsement of his realization (YES! YES! YES!). Thanks Rory - that makes total sense, good to have you back and hope you post more. And in retrospect, it appears self-evidently obvious that MMY knew this state well and spoke of it as Brahman or as the pathless path from here to here, but we hadn't ears to hear here :-)
[FairfieldLife] One for the I know because the authority I trust knows crowd
It occurs to me that those wanting to ask MZ or any other authority on this forum questions, as if their answers would satisfy them, are kinda missing the point. That relies on the vagaries of the authority's memory, not to mention reputation. If all you want is an answer that we've already prepared, why not rely on the Ultimate Authority? It's not only more authoritative, it's faster. http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/archive/2011/06/26 http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/archive/2011/06/26 [Doonesbury]
[FairfieldLife] Special offer for participants of the Gurupurnima Assembly
Original-Nachricht Betreff: Special offer for participants of the Gurupurnima Assembly Datum: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 22:12:51 +0200 Von: Reinhard Rau reinhard...@maharishi.net An: Verborgene_Empfaenger:; Dear Course Participant, We look forward to welcoming you to MERU for a very full and inspiring Guru Purnima Assembly. We also want to draw your attention to a very special course starting next week: Dr. Peter Swan’s course: Applying Principles of Maharishi Vedic Agriculture and Gardening for the Development of Personal Enlightenment, Global Abundance, and Sustainability. The course has been received with great enthusiasm by everyone who attended it. In the invitation you will find below there are some very outstanding testimonials from previous course participants. The course ends on 6 July at lunchtime, but as a participant in the Guru Purnima assembly we want to give you this very special offer: After attending the MVOA course you will be able to stay on campus from 6 to 8 July for free, meals included. On the 8th you will be moving to the accommodation you have reserved for the assembly. Please click on the link for more details and feel free to contact us for more information. http://www.globalcountrycourses.com/events/MVOA/16LessonsCourseAnnouncement.pdf Jai Guru Dev Best wishes Course Administration
[FairfieldLife] The Two Types Of SEBs*
* SEBs. Supposedly Enlightened Beings. SOBs is something else. It seems to me that history presents us with two different types of enlightened beings. Yes, of course I know that it's more varied than that, and that on one level each individual SEB is an individual, and thus unique. On the other hand I think it's valid to sort these individual SEBs into types, the same way you might sort animals into species. I see two basic species of SEBs. (At least today, in this cafe.) The first archetype of the SEB is the more common. I would characterize this first species as becoming more inner-directed after claiming that they were enlightened, or being declared enlightened. For them the primary focus of their recorded lives and recorded talks or teachings after realization tend to be abstract, more philosophical or religious, and very much as if the relative (or real world, as some call it) either didn't really exist or wasn't all that important if it did. I would term such enlightened beings ISEBs -- Internally-oriented Supposedly Enlightend Beings. Then there are the other guys. They are less common. They are of the ilk of Ikkyu, the Sixth Dalai Lama, and any number of Asian (where it hasn't gotten a bad name yet) Crazy Wisdom teachers. They tend to realize their enlightenment and then, instead of going all postal on their inner lives, turn their focus outward, both embracing and celebrating the relative. For example, when Ikkyu was presented with his 'inka' (certificate of enlightenment -- an actual piece of paper) from one of the most prestigious schools of Zen in Japan, he reportedly took it, threw it to the ground, stomped it flat and stalked off, never to return to the monastery. Instead of going inner, he went outer. Ikkyu spent the rest of his life walking the earth like Caine in Kung-Fu, drinking, carousing with the ladies, enjoying nature, and along the Way writing some of the best poetry in human history. The Sixth Dalai Lama did essentially the same thing. Declared the next incarnation of the most important Dalai Lama in Tibetan history, he refused to take his vows as a monk and thereafter spent his days on the throne of the Potala palace, but his nights in Lhasa's red-light district, Shol-town. There he too spent the rest of his life writing some of the most beautiful poetry this planet has ever seen, under the pen name the Turquoise Bee. More recently Chogyam Trungpa went this route. Like the Sixth Dalai Lama, he was embraced as a tulku, the living reincarnation of a previously-enlightened master of his lineage. And yet he went outer too, diving into a lifestyle of fucking anything that moved and eventually drinking himself to death. But again, along the Way he managed to write some remarkable books about Buddhist thought. And some of *them* were remarkably inner. In a guy who had rejected the ISEB path and embraced the outer world. Go figure. I call this second set of Supposedly Enlightened Beings ESEBs -- Externally-oriented Supposedly Enlightened Beings. Call me crazy, but I think it's valid to divide the historical figures presented to us by history into these two categories. Yes, each individual SEB had his or her own personality and self (or lack thereof, however you swing on the self issue), but *in general* the SEBs of history have tended to primarily fall into one or the other camps. At least that's what their PR says. As we all know, some SEBs have had a public persona of renouncing the relative world and its pleasures or sins and a vastly different private persona, which had no problem with indulging in the very things the public persona renounced and denounced. That's not the kinda SEB I'm talking about in this rap and the sub-raps that I can already feel will follow it :-). I'm talking the kinda SEBs who mainly walk their talk, and live their lives the way that they claim to be living them. I find this seeming dichotomy fascinating. Some SEBs announce their enlightenment (and even have it confirmed) and go inner, spending most of the rest of their lives in a bit of a solipsistic Inner Disneyland Of The Spirit, focusing mainly on their inner, subjective lives and experiences and what they think both mean. They tend to act as missionaries for this inner-directed life, prosyeltizing it to others and suggesting that it's the highest path. And then other SEBs go outer, and spend the rest of their lives focusing mainly on the outer world and its beauty, other people and their beauty, and turning others onto this beauty through their works, and the example of their lives. It should go without saying that I resonate more with ESEBs than I do ISEBs. If I run into an SEB, I'm more likely to ask him what movies he's liked lately or which restaurant in town has the best sole meuniere than I am to ask him what the answer is to the question of life, the universe, and everything. I already know the answer we have already prepared for that one. 42. I'd rather have the SEB rap about what he
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special offer for participants of the Gurupurnima Assembly
Dear Course Administration, I thank you for drawing my attention to this marvelous opportunity to spend more money on Maharishi(TM) products. Although I live in the Netherlands, and thus within a short train ride from Vlodrop and MERU, I had not planned on attending the upcoming Guru Purnima Assembly. But based on your generous offer of throwing in Dr. Swan's course on Vedic Agriculture and Gardening, I'm considering it. What I'm interested in is whether Dr. Swan's presentation will limit itself to the proper Vedic way to raise flowers and vegetables, or will branch out into more commercial crops. For example, will it cover the proper Vedic way to raise one of the biggest cash crops of the Netherlands, cannabis? Although I'm not a big imbiber of this particular crop, I am always open to money-making opportunities, and it seems to me that if the Knowledge Of The Vedas can be brought to bear not only on carrots and posies but can be applied as well to raising some high-quality weed, there is money to be made there. Thus this query letter. I'm hoping to learn whether the course will deal with such things before committing myself to attending. Will Dr. Swan deal with whether open-air growing or greenhouse growing produces the more Vedic high? Will he deal with the thorny question of which direction the individual plants should be facing, S-V wise? I mean, if some of your plants grow up with their leaves facing South, should you toss them out and only harvest the ones with leaves that face East? Will he cover the different vata types of individual cannabis strains, and how those vatas affect their buzz or lack thereof? Thank you for your attention to these important questions. I look forward to your reply. Possibly considering a career change, I remain Vedically yours, Turq --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin vedamerlin@... wrote: Dear Course Participant, We look forward to welcoming you to MERU for a very full and inspiring Guru Purnima Assembly. We also want to draw your attention to a very special course starting next week: Dr. Peter Swan's course: Applying Principles of Maharishi Vedic Agriculture and Gardening for the Development of Personal Enlightenment, Global Abundance, and Sustainability. The course has been received with great enthusiasm by everyone who attended it. In the invitation you will find below there are some very outstanding testimonials from previous course participants. The course ends on 6 July at lunchtime, but as a participant in the Guru Purnima assembly we want to give you this very special offer: After attending the MVOA course you will be able to stay on campus from 6 to 8 July for free, meals included. On the 8th you will be moving to the accommodation you have reserved for the assembly. Please click on the link for more details and feel free to contact us for more information. http://www.globalcountrycourses.com/events/MVOA/16LessonsCourseAnnouncement.pdf Jai Guru Dev Best wishes Course Administration
[FairfieldLife] The experiences of higher states of consciousness are clearly described
June 21 http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/2011_video_files/06_2011/06_21_\ 2011.html The experiences of higher states of consciousness are clearly described in the holy texts of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/gfc2-2011-1.html http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/gfc2-2011-1.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: The experiences of higher states of consciousness are clearly described
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: June 21 http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/2011_video_files/06_2011/06_21_\ 2011.html The experiences of higher states of consciousness are clearly described in the holy texts of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/gfc2-2011-1.html This fellow definately knows what he is talking about, quite contrary to the many posters here who think they have an understading of what Enlightenment really is (Jim excluded) In and out of Unity Consciousness ? Please, rather be in the foolish amaturish world of Lady Gaga. Many here knows what gaga means in french :-) A tripple checking would be desired. Do listen to this tape, with knowledge about the subject from Western religions and Islam in the light of Maharishi's unique understanding.
[FairfieldLife] Re: One for the I know because the authority I trust knows crowd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: It occurs to me that those wanting to ask MZ or any other authority on this forum questions, as if their answers would satisfy them, are kinda missing the point. Could it be that some people ask the person questions not because they expect to get The Answer, but simply because they're interested in how the person thinks?
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
Hey, gang, especially when responding to MZ's VERY LONG posts, but also just in general, could we *please, please* remember to snip the stuff we aren't commenting on directly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Hi. I didn't receive answers to my last two questions, but snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special offer for participants of the Gurupurnima Assembly
Did you know that weed is the most fav herb of Shiva..? Now that's something they left out of the literature, but nonetheless, it's true that's Shiva does get high... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Dear Course Administration, I thank you for drawing my attention to this marvelous opportunity to spend more money on Maharishi(TM) products. Although I live in the Netherlands, and thus within a short train ride from Vlodrop and MERU, I had not planned on attending the upcoming Guru Purnima Assembly. But based on your generous offer of throwing in Dr. Swan's course on Vedic Agriculture and Gardening, I'm considering it. What I'm interested in is whether Dr. Swan's presentation will limit itself to the proper Vedic way to raise flowers and vegetables, or will branch out into more commercial crops. For example, will it cover the proper Vedic way to raise one of the biggest cash crops of the Netherlands, cannabis? Although I'm not a big imbiber of this particular crop, I am always open to money-making opportunities, and it seems to me that if the Knowledge Of The Vedas can be brought to bear not only on carrots and posies but can be applied as well to raising some high-quality weed, there is money to be made there. Thus this query letter. I'm hoping to learn whether the course will deal with such things before committing myself to attending. Will Dr. Swan deal with whether open-air growing or greenhouse growing produces the more Vedic high? Will he deal with the thorny question of which direction the individual plants should be facing, S-V wise? I mean, if some of your plants grow up with their leaves facing South, should you toss them out and only harvest the ones with leaves that face East? Will he cover the different vata types of individual cannabis strains, and how those vatas affect their buzz or lack thereof? Thank you for your attention to these important questions. I look forward to your reply. Possibly considering a career change, I remain Vedically yours, Turq --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin vedamerlin@ wrote: Dear Course Participant, We look forward to welcoming you to MERU for a very full and inspiring Guru Purnima Assembly. We also want to draw your attention to a very special course starting next week: Dr. Peter Swan's course: Applying Principles of Maharishi Vedic Agriculture and Gardening for the Development of Personal Enlightenment, Global Abundance, and Sustainability. The course has been received with great enthusiasm by everyone who attended it. In the invitation you will find below there are some very outstanding testimonials from previous course participants. The course ends on 6 July at lunchtime, but as a participant in the Guru Purnima assembly we want to give you this very special offer: After attending the MVOA course you will be able to stay on campus from 6 to 8 July for free, meals included. On the 8th you will be moving to the accommodation you have reserved for the assembly. Please click on the link for more details and feel free to contact us for more information. http://www.globalcountrycourses.com/events/MVOA/16LessonsCourseAnnouncement.pdf Jai Guru Dev Best wishes Course Administration
[FairfieldLife] New Crop Circle; Honeystreet, Nr Alton Barnes, Wiltshire.
http://www.earthfiles.com/shop.php Honeystreet, Nr Alton Barnes, Wiltshire. Reported 26th June. Map Ref: This Page has been accessed [Hit Counter] Updated Sunday 26th June2011 http://www.7fires.net/ AERIAL SHOTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/honeystreet/honeystreet2011a.ht\ ml GROUND SHOTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/honeystreet/groundshots.html DIAGRAMS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/honeystreet/diagrams.html FIELD REPORTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/honeystreet/fieldreports.html COMMENTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/honeystreet/comments.html ARTICLES http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/honeystreet/articles.html 26/06/11 26/06/11 26/06/11 26/06/11 26/06/11 26/06/11 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=122251217802800v=wall Discuss this circle on our Facebook CIRCLE CHASERS ON FACEBOOK http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=122251217802800v=wall http://www.cccvault.co.uk/cccvideos/2010/trailer2010z.html CLICK HERE FOR THE LATEST CROP CIRCLE CONNECTOR DVD http://www.cccvault.co.uk/cccvideos/2010/trailer2010z.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I think all Maharishi was doing was taking the idea of Unity Consciousness to its logical conclusion, complete Unity, complete Oneness, complete control over physical manifestation. Is that even desirable? In Unity, who is it who has this control? Don't mean to sound like a neo-Advaitin, but isn't this where the rubber meets the road? I know Michael Dean Goodman isn't exactly popular here, but boy, we could use the clarity of his explanations on this topic, at least when we're trying to figure out what MMY meant when he said... We're sorry, but Michael is busy doing the Lingam Initiation, with his latest recruit to the Harem, but we expect him back any day now...
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I think all Maharishi was doing was taking the idea of Unity Consciousness to its logical conclusion, complete Unity, complete Oneness, complete control over physical manifestation. Is that even desirable? In Unity, who is it who has this control? Don't mean to sound like a neo-Advaitin, but isn't this where the rubber meets the road? An excellent question, Judy. In my model of UC, anyhow -- as still (more-or-less vehemently) opposed to What IS or Reality or Brahman -- there is still (despite the term Unity) a core-seed of separation, of I-ness as opposed to an other, or to all of the others (as in *I* am in UC! You, maybe, not so much...), which shows that in UC One is still primarily identifying with a particle withIN spacetime, and thus, like it or not, merely another creature. From this point of view, a true marriage with physical manifestation and all within it -- one's wife, as it were -- is utterly impossible, and would be regarded as the death of the I-particle. The only kind of marriage it could envision or embody would probably be a tyranny, complete control over physical manifestation. As you suggest, Jim, not even desirable. My view of the siddhis and their mastery has changed quite a bit over the years. Now, I see and spontaneously practice the siddhis as simply more particle-work, or demon-feeding, like the chod technique, to convert my demons back into devatas. That is, I simply accept these thought-streams or I-particles as they are (instead of pushing them away or denying them) and give my needy particles whatever they believe they need, as soon as they get my attention. To me, providing whatever they need is just an ordinary thought, no big deal. You need love and appreciation? I give you infinite love and appreciation. You need wealth? I give you infinite wealth. You need liberation? I give you infinite liberation. You need to be the Lord of creation? I give you a glorious Universe to rule. Like Shiva, of myself I have no Shakti, no inherent power. But to them -- the I-particles, my Shakti-body -- my every thought is like scripture carved in stone, holy writ, and in believing my thoughts they make them so, and they melt back into loving and trusting and upholding me. And as they believe and accept me, so my body shifts to uphold that new belief, that love and trust and support, and the world changes accordingly. They are devatas, so they manifest creation. And so through them I get to experience and enjoy the sensory results of my thoughts. Like a parent who knows the truth about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, but heartily enjoys the bliss of his children who believe in them. I know Michael Dean Goodman isn't exactly popular here, but boy, we could use the clarity of his explanations on this topic, at least when we're trying to figure out what MMY meant when he said... Yes, his presence here is always a privilege and a joy!
[FairfieldLife] A seagull's-eye view of Cannes
This viral video purports to show the adventures of a camera in movie mode stolen by a seagull, flown over Cannes, and then deposited on the wall of a nearby castle. Is it real or Memorex. You decide. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/26/seagull-steals-camera-video_n_884718.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: Dear Rory, I should have included you in those here in the know of Enlightenment. But you tend to use a lot of words, a LOT of words ! Very shortly it would nice to hear your understanding of the Crop Circles, see post above. What is your understandig of this ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
In Unity, who is it who has this control? From a personal perspective, we do. One thing I've noticed about stabilized states of consciousness is that they always feel normal. So if someone is in the waking state, or CC, or Unity, it always feels normal, it always feels like us. I was just thinking that the progression, the evolution of states of consciousness, is like learning to dance with an invisible partner, and by doing so, we learn bit by bit how to perform the dance as perfectly, as creatively, and as powerfully as the Universe itself. Cosmic life. But there is always a me in the experience, a unique way of expressing this no self. Once the Universe has granted us the grace to express ourselves on Its behalf, we continue to move forward as ourselves, simultaneously seeing the innocent reflection of the Divine everywhere, yet continuing to do the things we ourselves enjoy doing, regardless of the state of our consciousness. Does that answer your question? I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together - I Am The Walrus - Beatles --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I think all Maharishi was doing was taking the idea of Unity Consciousness to its logical conclusion, complete Unity, complete Oneness, complete control over physical manifestation. Is that even desirable? In Unity, who is it who has this control? Don't mean to sound like a neo-Advaitin, but isn't this where the rubber meets the road? I know Michael Dean Goodman isn't exactly popular here, but boy, we could use the clarity of his explanations on this topic, at least when we're trying to figure out what MMY meant when he said...
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Dear Rory, I should have included you in those here in the know of Enlightenment. But you tend to use a lot of words, a LOT of words ! Wow! And here I was thinking I was being nice and succinct! Always room for less, I guess. But as to Enlightment, I know nothing :-) Very shortly it would nice to hear your understanding of the Crop Circles, see post above. What is your understandig of this ? At present, I have no understanding of this, but they feel rather like new chakras singing themselves into existence. It's always nice to see I-particles creating new works of art! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special offer for participants of the Gurupurnima Assembly
FYI, they have begun introducing GMO strains into cannabis in the Netherlands, and the TMO doesn't support that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: Did you know that weed is the most fav herb of Shiva..? Now that's something they left out of the literature, but nonetheless, it's true that's Shiva does get high... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Dear Course Administration, I thank you for drawing my attention to this marvelous opportunity to spend more money on Maharishi(TM) products. Although I live in the Netherlands, and thus within a short train ride from Vlodrop and MERU, I had not planned on attending the upcoming Guru Purnima Assembly. But based on your generous offer of throwing in Dr. Swan's course on Vedic Agriculture and Gardening, I'm considering it. What I'm interested in is whether Dr. Swan's presentation will limit itself to the proper Vedic way to raise flowers and vegetables, or will branch out into more commercial crops. For example, will it cover the proper Vedic way to raise one of the biggest cash crops of the Netherlands, cannabis? Although I'm not a big imbiber of this particular crop, I am always open to money-making opportunities, and it seems to me that if the Knowledge Of The Vedas can be brought to bear not only on carrots and posies but can be applied as well to raising some high-quality weed, there is money to be made there. Thus this query letter. I'm hoping to learn whether the course will deal with such things before committing myself to attending. Will Dr. Swan deal with whether open-air growing or greenhouse growing produces the more Vedic high? Will he deal with the thorny question of which direction the individual plants should be facing, S-V wise? I mean, if some of your plants grow up with their leaves facing South, should you toss them out and only harvest the ones with leaves that face East? Will he cover the different vata types of individual cannabis strains, and how those vatas affect their buzz or lack thereof? Thank you for your attention to these important questions. I look forward to your reply. Possibly considering a career change, I remain Vedically yours, Turq --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin vedamerlin@ wrote: Dear Course Participant, We look forward to welcoming you to MERU for a very full and inspiring Guru Purnima Assembly. We also want to draw your attention to a very special course starting next week: Dr. Peter Swan's course: Applying Principles of Maharishi Vedic Agriculture and Gardening for the Development of Personal Enlightenment, Global Abundance, and Sustainability. The course has been received with great enthusiasm by everyone who attended it. In the invitation you will find below there are some very outstanding testimonials from previous course participants. The course ends on 6 July at lunchtime, but as a participant in the Guru Purnima assembly we want to give you this very special offer: After attending the MVOA course you will be able to stay on campus from 6 to 8 July for free, meals included. On the 8th you will be moving to the accommodation you have reserved for the assembly. Please click on the link for more details and feel free to contact us for more information. http://www.globalcountrycourses.com/events/MVOA/16LessonsCourseAnnouncement.pdf Jai Guru Dev Best wishes Course Administration
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: But there is always a me in the experience, a unique way of expressing this no self. Once the Universe has granted us the grace to express ourselves on Its behalf, we continue to move forward as ourselves, simultaneously seeing the innocent reflection of the Divine everywhere, yet continuing to do the things we ourselves enjoy doing, regardless of the state of our consciousness. Does that answer your question? I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together - I Am The Walrus - Beatles For whatever strange reason this was always on the top 5 of my favorite songs from the Beatles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnpil_pRUiw
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I know Michael Dean Goodman isn't exactly popular here, but boy, we could use the clarity of his explanations on this topic, at least when we're trying to figure out what MMY meant when he said... Yes, his presence here is always a privilege and a joy! Well, more to some than to others! But he really has a quite extraordinary gift for articulating MMY's teaching. Boy, I'd love to see a three-way between you, MZ, and Michael. (MZ, do you by any chance have stock in a popcorn company? Because I just had to lay in a new supply, given how fast I've been running through it since you arrived.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I know Michael Dean Goodman isn't exactly popular here, but boy, we could use the clarity of his explanations on this topic, at least when we're trying to figure out what MMY meant when he said... Yes, his presence here is always a privilege and a joy! Well, more to some than to others! But he really has a quite extraordinary gift for articulating MMY's teaching. Indeed he does. Boy, I'd love to see a three-way between you, MZ, and Michael. Ha! I am imagining how Curtis would respond to that phrasing :-) (MZ, do you by any chance have stock in a popcorn company? Because I just had to lay in a new supply, given how fast I've been running through it since you arrived.) :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: In Unity, who is it who has this control? From a personal perspective, we do. One thing I've noticed about stabilized states of consciousness is that they always feel normal. So if someone is in the waking state, or CC, or Unity, it always feels normal, it always feels like us. I was just thinking that the progression, the evolution of states of consciousness, is like learning to dance with an invisible partner, and by doing so, we learn bit by bit how to perform the dance as perfectly, as creatively, and as powerfully as the Universe itself. Cosmic life. But there is always a me in the experience, a unique way of expressing this no self. Once the Universe has granted us the grace to express ourselves on Its behalf, we continue to move forward as ourselves, simultaneously seeing the innocent reflection of the Divine everywhere, yet continuing to do the things we ourselves enjoy doing, regardless of the state of our consciousness. Does that answer your question? Well, it's *an* answer, thanks. But I've been reading some of Michael DG's old posts, and he makes a distinction, as I understand him, between the state where there's still a me in the experience and the state where that disappears (maybe Brahman Consciousness rather than Unity? I'll have to go back and check). I'm also faintly remembering a post Jonathan Levy made (another brilliant articulator of MMY's teaching) on the old, old TM-list back in the late '90s that had to do with the dynamics of a person in Unity having the desire that a bird should sing. I can't begin to recapitulate what he said, other than that there was no way to formulate that situation in words without paradox. And then he went ahead and formulated the paradox. I mention it just in case anyone here who was on that list remembers what he said. It was a sort of Aha! experience for me; it's still the basis of my (purely intellectual) understanding of Unity, but it's so abstract I just give up trying to express it in words.
[FairfieldLife] Re: One for the I know because the authority I trust knows crowd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It occurs to me that those wanting to ask MZ or any other authority on this forum questions, as if their answers would satisfy them, are kinda missing the point. Could it be that some people ask the person questions not because they expect to get The Answer, but simply because they're interested in how the person thinks? That is why I ask questions. Nobody is going to give me the Answer. I have to find that out myself. There are many interesting posters on this forum. MZ is one, Turq is another. Judy is another. And of course others. All of you give shape to my own experience one way or another. Being on this forum is a way to discover your own authority, not someone else's. It's the challenge factor. If someone delivers a salvo it highlights where one's own thinking is weak, muddled, or derivative. Like a boxing match where a left hook sends you to the mat - it means you missed something. The authority one must learn to trust is one's own.
[FairfieldLife] So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?
Judy gave a URL to an old message ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/71883 ), quoting an excerpt of a book by this Jay Lathom fellow. This Jay's new to me. I stopped reading about spiritual/enlightenment matters after reading *Autobiography of a Yogi* and *Be Here Now*. IME, reading about enlightenment and spiritual matters is about as satisfying compared to experiencing as watching porn is compared to engaging in the real thing. I /think/ the implication was that JL was describing RC's encounter with Maharishi and Maharishi's validation of RC's ?enlightenment?. Am I correct in the assumption? Is Jay Lathom another pseudonym for FFL's latest noodnick, Masked Zebra? With respect to Masked Zebra/RC. I notice that though RC posted out, he's still posting. Shows to go you how Rick never just set this group in motion, hands off, and never, ever provides his slant on things. Rick receives I'm sure, dozens of emails a day yet only certain ones he posts to the group and then only in the spirit of fairness and balance. Yeah. Nabby, there are some things I have to agree with you about.
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: In Unity, who is it who has this control? From a personal perspective, we do. One thing I've noticed about stabilized states of consciousness is that they always feel normal. So if someone is in the waking state, or CC, or Unity, it always feels normal, it always feels like us. I was just thinking that the progression, the evolution of states of consciousness, is like learning to dance with an invisible partner, and by doing so, we learn bit by bit how to perform the dance as perfectly, as creatively, and as powerfully as the Universe itself. Cosmic life. But there is always a me in the experience, a unique way of expressing this no self. Once the Universe has granted us the grace to express ourselves on Its behalf, we continue to move forward as ourselves, simultaneously seeing the innocent reflection of the Divine everywhere, yet continuing to do the things we ourselves enjoy doing, regardless of the state of our consciousness. Does that answer your question? Well, it's *an* answer, thanks. But I've been reading some of Michael DG's old posts, and he makes a distinction, as I understand him, between the state where there's still a me in the experience and the state where that disappears (maybe Brahman Consciousness rather than Unity? I'll have to go back and check). snip That coincides with my model; Brahman = disappearance of Me. Surrender into Brahman may consist of two distinct stages -- first, the Dark Night or Crucifixion in which the golden Light of God, the Master, and the I AM Witness itself is extinguished into the vast black-hole of death or emptiness, No-thing, nirguna; and second, the rediscovery of the great paradox of everything, fullness, inside of One, saguna, as a black-hole moves through the singularity-point and re-emerges as a white-hole to contain the entirety. And then the work may really begin! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Hey, gang, especially when responding to MZ's VERY LONG posts, but also just in general, could we *please, please* remember to snip the stuff we aren't commenting on directly? Will do. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Hi. I didn't receive answers to my last two questions, but snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: snip I /think/ the implication was that JL was describing RC's encounter with Maharishi and Maharishi's validation of RC's ? enlightenment?. Am I correct in the assumption? Whose implication? Not mine. Is Jay Lathom another pseudonym for FFL's latest noodnick, Masked Zebra? I doubt it. With respect to Masked Zebra/RC. I notice that though RC posted out, he's still posting. You missed Alex's post giving him a reprieve this time because he's new. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/280573
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special offer for participants of the Gurupurnima Assembly
In Jamaica, Bob Marley smoking a fattie in his Rastafarian dreadlocks appears on T-shirts and chotchkies from ashtrays to teacups. According to the Urban Dictionary, ganja is not a Jamaican word, it's a Sanskrit word for hemp. Who knew? It turns out that folks in the West Indies may have sprouted their matted locks and ganja from roots and shoots in India. Indians call dreadlocks jata and they are generally worn by adherents of Shiva. yah mon, smoke i di ganja all day long http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMztL-KDk9I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMztL-KDk9I [http://strawberryblunt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/bob_marley_permor\ ming-2899.jpg] [http://remainsofthedesi.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/sadhu-smoking.jpg] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: Did you know that weed is the most fav herb of Shiva..? Now that's something they left out of the literature, but nonetheless, it's true that's Shiva does get high...
[FairfieldLife] Children of the Night
So, I'm curious as to how MZ, not to mention Vaj, respond to this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeanne-ball/meditation-trauma-abuse_b_883225.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Dear Rory, I should have included you in those here in the know of Enlightenment. But you tend to use a lot of words, a LOT of words ! Wow! And here I was thinking I was being nice and succinct! Always room for less, I guess. But as to Enlightment, I know nothing :-) Very shortly it would nice to hear your understanding of the Crop Circles, see post above. What is your understandig of this ? At present, I have no understanding of this, but they feel rather like new chakras singing themselves into existence. Beautiful ! Your words sends sparcles of light up my spine. If you want to expand on the nature of Crop Circles, please do. Thank you for posting this ! http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/Westwoods/Westwoods2011a.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Two Types Of SEBs*
You are in good form today. I suppose I am an ISEB according to your classification. Nonetheless I like movies, and I am not overly critical about whether they are good or bad. If they start and then end, that is usually enough. I have a certain fondness for horror movies. I like food. I like music, but more in the classical domain. I think my favorite enlightenment story is that of the Zen master Bobo Roshi. I like good coffee, but in its absence I will drink worse with cream and sugar. It seems the Japanese mostly cornered the market for Jamaica Blue Mountain a third of a century ago. I like beautiful women, though I am a bit too old now, and not in the best of health to pursue this particular delight. If we had ever met, we probably would travel in different circles, have different friends, and that would not diminish either of us. You know of course your classification is BS. You do not need it (you indicated you might lose interest by tomorrow). But it is a fun classification, and like all decently thought out classifications, it provides a workable distinction. You answered a question I had but never asked, where the moniker turquoiseb was derived from. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: * SEBs. Supposedly Enlightened Beings. SOBs is something else. It seems to me that history presents us with two different types of enlightened beings. Yes, of course I know that it's more varied than that, and that on one level each individual SEB is an individual, and thus unique. On the other hand I think it's valid to sort these individual SEBs into types, the same way you might sort animals into species. I see two basic species of SEBs. (At least today, in this cafe.) The first archetype of the SEB is the more common. I would characterize this first species as becoming more inner-directed after claiming that they were enlightened, or being declared enlightened. For them the primary focus of their recorded lives and recorded talks or teachings after realization tend to be abstract, more philosophical or religious, and very much as if the relative (or real world, as some call it) either didn't really exist or wasn't all that important if it did. I would term such enlightened beings ISEBs -- Internally-oriented Supposedly Enlightend Beings. Then there are the other guys. They are less common. They are of the ilk of Ikkyu, the Sixth Dalai Lama, and any number of Asian (where it hasn't gotten a bad name yet) Crazy Wisdom teachers. They tend to realize their enlightenment and then, instead of going all postal on their inner lives, turn their focus outward, both embracing and celebrating the relative. For example, when Ikkyu was presented with his 'inka' (certificate of enlightenment -- an actual piece of paper) from one of the most prestigious schools of Zen in Japan, he reportedly took it, threw it to the ground, stomped it flat and stalked off, never to return to the monastery. Instead of going inner, he went outer. Ikkyu spent the rest of his life walking the earth like Caine in Kung-Fu, drinking, carousing with the ladies, enjoying nature, and along the Way writing some of the best poetry in human history. The Sixth Dalai Lama did essentially the same thing. Declared the next incarnation of the most important Dalai Lama in Tibetan history, he refused to take his vows as a monk and thereafter spent his days on the throne of the Potala palace, but his nights in Lhasa's red-light district, Shol-town. There he too spent the rest of his life writing some of the most beautiful poetry this planet has ever seen, under the pen name the Turquoise Bee. More recently Chogyam Trungpa went this route. Like the Sixth Dalai Lama, he was embraced as a tulku, the living reincarnation of a previously-enlightened master of his lineage. And yet he went outer too, diving into a lifestyle of fucking anything that moved and eventually drinking himself to death. But again, along the Way he managed to write some remarkable books about Buddhist thought. And some of *them* were remarkably inner. In a guy who had rejected the ISEB path and embraced the outer world. Go figure. I call this second set of Supposedly Enlightened Beings ESEBs -- Externally-oriented Supposedly Enlightened Beings. Call me crazy, but I think it's valid to divide the historical figures presented to us by history into these two categories. Yes, each individual SEB had his or her own personality and self (or lack thereof, however you swing on the self issue), but *in general* the SEBs of history have tended to primarily fall into one or the other camps. At least that's what their PR says. As we all know, some SEBs have had a public persona of renouncing the relative world and its pleasures or sins and a vastly different private persona, which had no problem with indulging in the very things the public persona renounced and denounced. That's not the
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
It is the difference between concept and experience. The experience is that we must have a me, a personalization to accomplish the journey of the not me. Perhaps we see that we are witnessing everything. That doesn't sound normal to me, nor were my experiences of it. It is much more fascinating and fulfilling to be ourselves. I look at it like a little kid (me) playing hide and go seek with Mother Divine. I lose myself again and again in the world, only to rediscover Her in the most unlikely places. Makes the entire journey of life a wondrous thing, established in the impersonal foundation of Being. It is the ocean in a drop experience. I cannot come up with a logical explanation for any experience, that doesn't then turn spherical, and therefore holistic, and without logic. In order for perception in the moment to occur, multiple paradoxes must be accepted, such as Brahman encompassing both ourselves and One as One, including not One. Yogastah you know the rest. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: In Unity, who is it who has this control? From a personal perspective, we do. One thing I've noticed about stabilized states of consciousness is that they always feel normal. So if someone is in the waking state, or CC, or Unity, it always feels normal, it always feels like us. I was just thinking that the progression, the evolution of states of consciousness, is like learning to dance with an invisible partner, and by doing so, we learn bit by bit how to perform the dance as perfectly, as creatively, and as powerfully as the Universe itself. Cosmic life. But there is always a me in the experience, a unique way of expressing this no self. Once the Universe has granted us the grace to express ourselves on Its behalf, we continue to move forward as ourselves, simultaneously seeing the innocent reflection of the Divine everywhere, yet continuing to do the things we ourselves enjoy doing, regardless of the state of our consciousness. Does that answer your question? Well, it's *an* answer, thanks. But I've been reading some of Michael DG's old posts, and he makes a distinction, as I understand him, between the state where there's still a me in the experience and the state where that disappears (maybe Brahman Consciousness rather than Unity? I'll have to go back and check). I'm also faintly remembering a post Jonathan Levy made (another brilliant articulator of MMY's teaching) on the old, old TM-list back in the late '90s that had to do with the dynamics of a person in Unity having the desire that a bird should sing. I can't begin to recapitulate what he said, other than that there was no way to formulate that situation in words without paradox. And then he went ahead and formulated the paradox. I mention it just in case anyone here who was on that list remembers what he said. It was a sort of Aha! experience for me; it's still the basis of my (purely intellectual) understanding of Unity, but it's so abstract I just give up trying to express it in words.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Two Types Of SEBs*
Went to the Blackhawk Grille yesterday, off Crow Canyon and Tassajara Road, not too far from Mt. Diablo, with swans and ducks swimming in a canal in front of the floor to ceiling glass windows. Had a flat iron steak medium well and a fried egg over hard with a Bloody Mary (Skyy vodka), finished with Framboise dessert wine (from Bonny Doon in the Santa Cruz mountains). Excellent fresh food, great service. And at the other end of the canal is the Blackhawk car museum, which is just an amazing collection, though we didn't go this time. Movies? Someone just gave me Sherlock Holmes with RD Jr. Favorite. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: You are in good form today. I suppose I am an ISEB according to your classification. Nonetheless I like movies, and I am not overly critical about whether they are good or bad. If they start and then end, that is usually enough. I have a certain fondness for horror movies. I like food. I like music, but more in the classical domain. I think my favorite enlightenment story is that of the Zen master Bobo Roshi. I like good coffee, but in its absence I will drink worse with cream and sugar. It seems the Japanese mostly cornered the market for Jamaica Blue Mountain a third of a century ago. I like beautiful women, though I am a bit too old now, and not in the best of health to pursue this particular delight. If we had ever met, we probably would travel in different circles, have different friends, and that would not diminish either of us. You know of course your classification is BS. You do not need it (you indicated you might lose interest by tomorrow). But it is a fun classification, and like all decently thought out classifications, it provides a workable distinction. You answered a question I had but never asked, where the moniker turquoiseb was derived from. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: * SEBs. Supposedly Enlightened Beings. SOBs is something else. It seems to me that history presents us with two different types of enlightened beings. Yes, of course I know that it's more varied than that, and that on one level each individual SEB is an individual, and thus unique. On the other hand I think it's valid to sort these individual SEBs into types, the same way you might sort animals into species. I see two basic species of SEBs. (At least today, in this cafe.) The first archetype of the SEB is the more common. I would characterize this first species as becoming more inner-directed after claiming that they were enlightened, or being declared enlightened. For them the primary focus of their recorded lives and recorded talks or teachings after realization tend to be abstract, more philosophical or religious, and very much as if the relative (or real world, as some call it) either didn't really exist or wasn't all that important if it did. I would term such enlightened beings ISEBs -- Internally-oriented Supposedly Enlightend Beings. Then there are the other guys. They are less common. They are of the ilk of Ikkyu, the Sixth Dalai Lama, and any number of Asian (where it hasn't gotten a bad name yet) Crazy Wisdom teachers. They tend to realize their enlightenment and then, instead of going all postal on their inner lives, turn their focus outward, both embracing and celebrating the relative. For example, when Ikkyu was presented with his 'inka' (certificate of enlightenment -- an actual piece of paper) from one of the most prestigious schools of Zen in Japan, he reportedly took it, threw it to the ground, stomped it flat and stalked off, never to return to the monastery. Instead of going inner, he went outer. Ikkyu spent the rest of his life walking the earth like Caine in Kung-Fu, drinking, carousing with the ladies, enjoying nature, and along the Way writing some of the best poetry in human history. The Sixth Dalai Lama did essentially the same thing. Declared the next incarnation of the most important Dalai Lama in Tibetan history, he refused to take his vows as a monk and thereafter spent his days on the throne of the Potala palace, but his nights in Lhasa's red-light district, Shol-town. There he too spent the rest of his life writing some of the most beautiful poetry this planet has ever seen, under the pen name the Turquoise Bee. More recently Chogyam Trungpa went this route. Like the Sixth Dalai Lama, he was embraced as a tulku, the living reincarnation of a previously-enlightened master of his lineage. And yet he went outer too, diving into a lifestyle of fucking anything that moved and eventually drinking himself to death. But again, along the Way he managed to write some remarkable books about Buddhist thought. And some of *them* were remarkably inner. In a guy who had rejected the ISEB path and embraced the outer world. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?
Jay Latham was a friend of mine. He was a TM teacher. When I first met him, he talked a bit like a fundamentalist Southern Christian, but he had some hilarious stories of his experiences in life, told with infectious verve. I lost contact with him, but did see him once briefly in Fairfield when I was in the area, probably 15 years ago or so. He seemed a bit tired that day, and he told me he was taking people on trips to spiritual places in the East. I had not realised he had written a book, or had the experiences that he seemed to have had with the regard to the big E. His book is out of print it seems; I have not seen the book. So I heard, Jay was very ill, something like influenza, and died unexpectedly in his sleep by asphyxiation. He was a regular guy, a no nonsense kind of guy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: snip I /think/ the implication was that JL was describing RC's encounter with Maharishi and Maharishi's validation of RC's ? enlightenment?. Am I correct in the assumption? Whose implication? Not mine. Is Jay Lathom another pseudonym for FFL's latest noodnick, Masked Zebra? I doubt it. With respect to Masked Zebra/RC. I notice that though RC posted out, he's still posting. You missed Alex's post giving him a reprieve this time because he's new. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/280573
[FairfieldLife] Hollywood loves SA doc's therapy
Hollywood loves SA doc's therapy by Rowan Philp Times Live - South Africa Translate This Article 25 June 2011 On 25 June 2011 Times Live - South Africa reported: Dr Norman Rosenthal, who left South Africa in the 1970s when he was 26, recently reported research results showing that war veterans suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) showed a 50% reduction in symptoms after two months of Transcendental Meditation practice. The results were published this month in the US journal Military Medicine. It is a joy for Global Good News service to feature this news, which indicates the success of the life-supporting programmes Maharishi has designed to bring fulfilment to the field of health. Now a professor at Georgetown Medical School in Washington DC, Dr Rosenthal, 61, said Transcendental Meditation could also offer healing to thousands of South Africans traumatised by apartheid and criminal violence. The article describes Dr Rosenthal's book, Transcendence: Healing and Transformation Through Transcendental Meditation, which describes this and other research on PTSD, and also features interviews with Paul McCartney, film director Martin Scorsese, and actress Laura Dern. Also noted is the launch of a campaign by director David Lynch to train 10,000 US war veterans in TM. Click here to read the entire article. © Copyright 2011 AVUSA, Inc. http://www.globalgoodnews.com/health-news-a.html?art=13090602615852476
Re: [FairfieldLife] So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?
On 06/26/2011 09:50 AM, Tom Pall wrote: Judy gave a URL to an old message ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/71883 ), quoting an excerpt of a book by this Jay Lathom fellow. This Jay's new to me. I stopped reading about spiritual/enlightenment matters after reading *Autobiography of a Yogi* and *Be Here Now*. IME, reading about enlightenment and spiritual matters is about as satisfying compared to experiencing as watching porn is compared to engaging in the real thing. I hear ya. I do like to read about people journeys and missteps like the one guy who wandered off to India as a teenager and learned all kinds of stuff and came back and wrote a book about it. But indeed enlightenment is something to be experience not dissected ad nausea which seems to be the favorite sport here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I hear ya. I do like to read about people journeys and missteps like the one guy who wandered off to India as a teenager and learned all kinds of stuff and came back and wrote a book about it. But indeed enlightenment is something to be experience not dissected ad nausea which seems to be the favorite sport here. I agree. Thats why one feels blessed having Jim aboard, and Rory ofcourse, though the latter likes to spend words like a drunken sailor spends money :-) To Rory, to Jim, on behalf of many here on FFL, on behalf of the Queen and myself: We love you both; Cheers !
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Two Types Of SEBs*
Did not know of these things, but after my family moved to the States, I lived near that area, I did have a dentist in Lafayette when I was a child. His name was Dickson. I heard some years ago when he was in his 60s, he married his 28 year old office manager, and they stayed together. I think he went through the est training, so I have been told. I remember 'forcing' my parents to take me to a science fiction movie in Walnut Creek, probably when I was about ten years old. I never did much fine dining, either not enough cash, or no opportunity. When in college, I cooked for myself, usually stayed by myself. My first and only batch of Jamaica Blue Mountain coffee I bought from Mr. Peet who was in his Berkeley store at the time. I think he sold out years ago. You are an ESEB. I passed through Walnut Creek once about five years ago, but never got further south than that. I live on my brother-in-law's farm near Brewster, NY now, and do not get out much for health reasons. I am still mostly an ISEB. Fine dining I like, but it is much finer if someone else pays for it. Mt. Diablo was a kind of mysterious object for me when I was a child. I seldom saw it, but it was a peculiar place, just sitting there isolated. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Went to the Blackhawk Grille yesterday, off Crow Canyon and Tassajara Road, not too far from Mt. Diablo, with swans and ducks swimming in a canal in front of the floor to ceiling glass windows. Had a flat iron steak medium well and a fried egg over hard with a Bloody Mary (Skyy vodka), finished with Framboise dessert wine (from Bonny Doon in the Santa Cruz mountains). Excellent fresh food, great service. And at the other end of the canal is the Blackhawk car museum, which is just an amazing collection, though we didn't go this time. Movies? Someone just gave me Sherlock Holmes with RD Jr. Favorite. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: You are in good form today. I suppose I am an ISEB according to your classification. Nonetheless I like movies, and I am not overly critical about whether they are good or bad. If they start and then end, that is usually enough. I have a certain fondness for horror movies. I like food. I like music, but more in the classical domain. I think my favorite enlightenment story is that of the Zen master Bobo Roshi. I like good coffee, but in its absence I will drink worse with cream and sugar. It seems the Japanese mostly cornered the market for Jamaica Blue Mountain a third of a century ago. I like beautiful women, though I am a bit too old now, and not in the best of health to pursue this particular delight. If we had ever met, we probably would travel in different circles, have different friends, and that would not diminish either of us. You know of course your classification is BS. You do not need it (you indicated you might lose interest by tomorrow). But it is a fun classification, and like all decently thought out classifications, it provides a workable distinction. You answered a question I had but never asked, where the moniker turquoiseb was derived from. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: * SEBs. Supposedly Enlightened Beings. SOBs is something else. It seems to me that history presents us with two different types of enlightened beings. Yes, of course I know that it's more varied than that, and that on one level each individual SEB is an individual, and thus unique. On the other hand I think it's valid to sort these individual SEBs into types, the same way you might sort animals into species. I see two basic species of SEBs. (At least today, in this cafe.) The first archetype of the SEB is the more common. I would characterize this first species as becoming more inner-directed after claiming that they were enlightened, or being declared enlightened. For them the primary focus of their recorded lives and recorded talks or teachings after realization tend to be abstract, more philosophical or religious, and very much as if the relative (or real world, as some call it) either didn't really exist or wasn't all that important if it did. I would term such enlightened beings ISEBs -- Internally-oriented Supposedly Enlightend Beings. Then there are the other guys. They are less common. They are of the ilk of Ikkyu, the Sixth Dalai Lama, and any number of Asian (where it hasn't gotten a bad name yet) Crazy Wisdom teachers. They tend to realize their enlightenment and then, instead of going all postal on their inner lives, turn their focus outward, both embracing and celebrating the relative. For example, when Ikkyu was presented with his 'inka' (certificate of enlightenment -- an actual piece of paper) from one of the most prestigious
[FairfieldLife] EXPERIENCE THE BRAHMASTHAN OF INDIA
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Children of the Night
On 06/26/2011 10:05 AM, sparaig wrote: So, I'm curious as to how MZ, not to mention Vaj, respond to this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeanne-ball/meditation-trauma-abuse_b_883225.html It doesn't have to be TM either. My tantra guru taught meditation to similar kids through a program on of students who is a juvenile office set up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Two Types Of SEBs*
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: I never did much fine dining, either not enough cash, or no opportunity. ... I live on my brother-in-law's farm near Brewster, NY now, and do not get out much for health reasons. I am still mostly an ISEB. Fine dining I like, but it is much finer if someone else pays for it. Should you find someone else to pay for it, I can recommend a fine dining experience near you. It's called Le Chateau (1410 Route 35, South Salem, NY). http://www.lechateauny.com/ Then click the 'View and Print our e-Brochure' link. It's a nice restaurant occupying an estate built in 1907 by J P Morgan. It occupies the highest hill in the area, and the property takes up most of that hilltop. I used to not only eat there, I lived there. If you ever get to visit, just beyond the main chateau is a smaller stone cottage, referred to by the owners as the hunting lodge (because that's what it was when Morgan built the place). I rented it for a couple of years. Can you imagine being stuck out in the middle of nowhere late at night, miles from the nearest town or 7/11, and getting the munchies? Well, now imagine that when the place next door is a five-star restaurant. Life's a bitch sometimes. Gained ten pounds while living there, and felt fortunate that it wasn't more. One of the reasons I liked the place was that it was built by J P Morgan, but not for himself. It was built for his pastor, William S. Rainsford. According to the owners of the property when I lived there, Reverend Rainsford got this house not because Morgan loved his spiritual advice, but because he loved the Reverend's wife, and was having a torrid affair with her that the Rev never knew about. It's good to be rich.
[FairfieldLife] WWWilliamofOccamD?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Hi. I didn't receive answers to my last two questions, but I'll pose a third. AFAIK, you're the only person in recorded history to have achieved a unity-type state of consciousness or any other flavor of enlightenment and then denounce it as false. Are you aware of anyone else who has done so, and, if not, do you think you're the first and why? As I'm sure you'll agree, there is a long tradition of enlightenment in the East, and it would be surprising that no one else would have ever made the same claim, assuming your current consciousness reflects reality. MZ- thank you for taking the time to reply to the above questions that someone posed. I appreciate that you have really gone through an incredible journey in your life andthere could be a good deal of truth of some sort in your ideas about MMY, states of consciousness, and whether plain old reality as we are born in to it is as real and good as it gets, assuming your brain is healthy and does not start to malfunction and therefore modify your perceptions of that reality. It does sound as if you have been faced with incredible challenges for the past 24 years as you have - all alone - tried to deal with switching from one state of unwanted consciousness, to another that you think is more the honest reality. A lonely, confusing, apparently very complicated task that might have been made even more so by the incredible intellect and unusual style of thinking that you have. I have no way of knowing if your interior battle for the real reality is going to lead anywhere, but I hope you arrive at a place that is relaxed and comfortable and is without the controlling efforts of the forces and paradigms you are trying to escape. Maybe no paradigm, just simple being, is the healthiest way of living for all of us. The obvious response to your style and your writings is to ask if you ever get out of your head and into your body - exercise, or get some medicine to stop the onrushing thoughts - because it does not sound balanced, but then perhaps you have tried all that. Have you ever had a job or earned a living? Or, this is your journey and it is all consuming?I genuinely wish you well. Thank you, Robin, for a very clear set of answers to my questions. I take it you've seen A Beautiful Mind? John Nash lived in a perceptual world opposed to reality, and used his intellect to deconstruct the schizophrenia, a process taking the rest of his life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Two Types Of SEBs*
I like the Catskills in New York - I spent a year up there at Livingston Manor, saw the northern lights several times, blazing fall colors in the trees and the quietest, thick snowfalls, sometimes a deer. Also spent a summer in Vermont, near Montpelier, building a log house. I was married in Walnut Creek in 2007. Haven't seen any sci-fi movies there, but went to a few good restaurants. They have a good Tibetan gift shop there actually. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Did not know of these things, but after my family moved to the States, I lived near that area, I did have a dentist in Lafayette when I was a child. His name was Dickson. I heard some years ago when he was in his 60s, he married his 28 year old office manager, and they stayed together. I think he went through the est training, so I have been told. I remember 'forcing' my parents to take me to a science fiction movie in Walnut Creek, probably when I was about ten years old. I never did much fine dining, either not enough cash, or no opportunity. When in college, I cooked for myself, usually stayed by myself. My first and only batch of Jamaica Blue Mountain coffee I bought from Mr. Peet who was in his Berkeley store at the time. I think he sold out years ago. You are an ESEB. I passed through Walnut Creek once about five years ago, but never got further south than that. I live on my brother-in-law's farm near Brewster, NY now, and do not get out much for health reasons. I am still mostly an ISEB. Fine dining I like, but it is much finer if someone else pays for it. Mt. Diablo was a kind of mysterious object for me when I was a child. I seldom saw it, but it was a peculiar place, just sitting there isolated. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Went to the Blackhawk Grille yesterday, off Crow Canyon and Tassajara Road, not too far from Mt. Diablo, with swans and ducks swimming in a canal in front of the floor to ceiling glass windows. Had a flat iron steak medium well and a fried egg over hard with a Bloody Mary (Skyy vodka), finished with Framboise dessert wine (from Bonny Doon in the Santa Cruz mountains). Excellent fresh food, great service. And at the other end of the canal is the Blackhawk car museum, which is just an amazing collection, though we didn't go this time. Movies? Someone just gave me Sherlock Holmes with RD Jr. Favorite. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: You are in good form today. I suppose I am an ISEB according to your classification. Nonetheless I like movies, and I am not overly critical about whether they are good or bad. If they start and then end, that is usually enough. I have a certain fondness for horror movies. I like food. I like music, but more in the classical domain. I think my favorite enlightenment story is that of the Zen master Bobo Roshi. I like good coffee, but in its absence I will drink worse with cream and sugar. It seems the Japanese mostly cornered the market for Jamaica Blue Mountain a third of a century ago. I like beautiful women, though I am a bit too old now, and not in the best of health to pursue this particular delight. If we had ever met, we probably would travel in different circles, have different friends, and that would not diminish either of us. You know of course your classification is BS. You do not need it (you indicated you might lose interest by tomorrow). But it is a fun classification, and like all decently thought out classifications, it provides a workable distinction. You answered a question I had but never asked, where the moniker turquoiseb was derived from. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: * SEBs. Supposedly Enlightened Beings. SOBs is something else. It seems to me that history presents us with two different types of enlightened beings. Yes, of course I know that it's more varied than that, and that on one level each individual SEB is an individual, and thus unique. On the other hand I think it's valid to sort these individual SEBs into types, the same way you might sort animals into species. I see two basic species of SEBs. (At least today, in this cafe.) The first archetype of the SEB is the more common. I would characterize this first species as becoming more inner-directed after claiming that they were enlightened, or being declared enlightened. For them the primary focus of their recorded lives and recorded talks or teachings after realization tend to be abstract, more philosophical or religious, and very much as if the relative (or real world, as some call it) either didn't really exist or wasn't all that important if it did. I would term such
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Two Types Of SEBs*
Nice! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: I never did much fine dining, either not enough cash, or no opportunity. ... I live on my brother-in-law's farm near Brewster, NY now, and do not get out much for health reasons. I am still mostly an ISEB. Fine dining I like, but it is much finer if someone else pays for it. Should you find someone else to pay for it, I can recommend a fine dining experience near you. It's called Le Chateau (1410 Route 35, South Salem, NY). http://www.lechateauny.com/ Then click the 'View and Print our e-Brochure' link. It's a nice restaurant occupying an estate built in 1907 by J P Morgan. It occupies the highest hill in the area, and the property takes up most of that hilltop. I used to not only eat there, I lived there. If you ever get to visit, just beyond the main chateau is a smaller stone cottage, referred to by the owners as the hunting lodge (because that's what it was when Morgan built the place). I rented it for a couple of years. Can you imagine being stuck out in the middle of nowhere late at night, miles from the nearest town or 7/11, and getting the munchies? Well, now imagine that when the place next door is a five-star restaurant. Life's a bitch sometimes. Gained ten pounds while living there, and felt fortunate that it wasn't more. One of the reasons I liked the place was that it was built by J P Morgan, but not for himself. It was built for his pastor, William S. Rainsford. According to the owners of the property when I lived there, Reverend Rainsford got this house not because Morgan loved his spiritual advice, but because he loved the Reverend's wife, and was having a torrid affair with her that the Rev never knew about. It's good to be rich.
[FairfieldLife] Re: So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Jay Latham was a friend of mine. He was a TM teacher. When I first met him, he talked a bit like a fundamentalist Southern Christian, but he had some hilarious stories of his experiences in life, told with infectious verve. I lost contact with him, but did see him once briefly in Fairfield when I was in the area, probably 15 years ago or so. He seemed a bit tired that day, and he told me he was taking people on trips to spiritual places in the East. I had not realised he had written a book, or had the experiences that he seemed to have had with the regard to the big E. His book is out of print it seems; I have not seen the book. So I heard, Jay was very ill, something like influenza, and died unexpectedly in his sleep by asphyxiation. He was a regular guy, a no nonsense kind of guy. Jay was a handsome man, very masculine and sexy IMO. He had a few sessions with me for a physical therapy issue he wanted to resolve, so I got to know him a little. I don't know if anyone remembers this but, MUM, in an attempt to get feedback from the community had us fill out a questionnaire and make suggestions for improvements. They followed up with a meeting in the dome to talk about it. Keith Wallace conducted the meeting. Boy, was that a mistake. Jay must have had a laundry list of complaints so when he had a chance to speak, he ran over Keith like a truck. It was like watching a beach body hunk kick sand in the face of a 90 pound weakling. It wasn't pretty. I don't remember what words they exchanged, only that the intensity of feeling in the room was squirm inducing and palpably uncomfortable. Jay made quite a splash in my consciousness that day. Every good lawyer knows you never ask a question unless you already know the right answer. Bevan must have been out of town or such a meeting would never have happened. Some months later, I was surprised to hear that Jay had died in his sleep. He was such a vital, healthy, specimen of a human being, it was hard to believe that he died in his prime of life. R.I.P., dearest Jay. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: snip I /think/ the implication was that JL was describing RC's encounter with Maharishi and Maharishi's validation of RC's ? enlightenment?. Am I correct in the assumption? Whose implication? Not mine. Is Jay Lathom another pseudonym for FFL's latest noodnick, Masked Zebra? I doubt it. With respect to Masked Zebra/RC. I notice that though RC posted out, he's still posting. You missed Alex's post giving him a reprieve this time because he's new. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/280573
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Special offer for participants of the Gurupurnima Assembly
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:05 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: In Jamaica, Bob Marley smoking a fattie in his Rastafarian dreadlocks appears on T-shirts and chotchkies from ashtrays to teacups. According to the Urban Dictionary, ganja is not a Jamaican word, it's a Sanskrit word for hemp. Who knew? It turns out that folks in the West Indies may have sprouted their matted locks and ganja from roots and shoots in India. Indians call dreadlocks jata and they are generally worn by adherents of Shiva. *yah mon*, *smoke i di ganja all day long* So why don't we introduce ganja into those Shiva Abhishekams in VC? Or is that old news?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
On Jun 26, 2011, at 5:25 AM, maskedzebra wrote: Hi. I didn't receive answers to my last two questions, but I'll pose a third. AFAIK, you're the only person in recorded history to have achieved a unity-type state of consciousness or any other flavor of enlightenment and then denounce it as false. Are you aware of anyone else who has done so, and, if not, do you think you're the first and why? As I'm sure you'll agree, there is a long tradition of enlightenment in the East, and it would be surprising that no one else would have ever made the same claim, assuming your current consciousness reflects reality. RESPONSE: No, I have never heard of anyone who has achieved a unity-type state of consciousness or any flavor of 'enlightenment' and then has denounce[d] it as false. And yes, I might be the first. Certainly there is a long tradition of enlightenment in the East, and if my claim is correct why is it that no one else [has] ever made the same claim . . .? Very good question. Here's where it gets interesting—and controversial. And where most (if not all) readers will soon depart company with me. Those that are not already convinced that my claim to be in Unity Consciousness, and then to have 'de-enlightened' myself OUT of UC is, on the face of it, preposterous. Certainly, before (and during) my enlightenment, someone who made such an assertion (as I have made, and am making) would be considered—and, I suppose, apprehended as—deluded in the extreme—probably mentally ill. For an individual to claim to be enlightened—the supreme state of the perfection of the human being in terms of consciousness—and then to repudiate the truth of this state of consciousness, is disqualified to say anything about enlightenment. Clearly he or she was not enlightened in the first place—certainly not completely enlightened. Because, as far as I know, once you reach cosmic consciousness you can't regress back to waking state (just by itself). It is an irreversible state of spiritual evolution, a distinct mode of personal functioning that is mechanically and physiologically based. There is nothing subjective about Unity Consciousness: you are either in Unity or you are not in Unity. And once you are there, there's no going back. I absolutely adhered to this belief; in fact I knew beyond anything that my enlightenment was more real, more convincing, more unchangeable than the state of being unenlightened. No power in the universe could tamper with or influence what had happened to me on that mountain in 1976 when I 'slipped into Unity—even Maharishi himself (although had he verbally said something to contradict my experience—and eventually in exigent circumstances he was forced to do exactly this, which represented a repudiation of what he had more or less explicitly said in the past, and when I first announced at my Six Month Course that I had gone into Unity Consciousness).—I would have to live with that dissonance. But anything that Maharishi might say to me, just by definition of what Unity Consciousness is—and how it was being experienced by me—could not alter or affect the objective stability and mode of functioning that constituted the state of Unity Consciousness. Look, Maharishi laid out the criteria for determining what Unity Consciousness was, and how one could tell whether one was in Unity Consciousness or not. Every initiator I knew was familiar with what constituted the proof of whether you were enlightened or not. I met the standard of proof, even in the estimation of the most skeptical and sophisticated of initiators. And no one, in the ten years when I was in Unity Consciousness, came anywhere close to putting into doubt the state of consciousness I was in: my consciousness, because it was enlightened, maintained its integrity in the presence of anyone, although, of course initiators were the most receptive to the physical and mental and behavioural exhibition of Unity Consciousness. Now how did it come about that 1. I rejected the validity of Unity Consciousness; and 2. I was able to escape from Unity Consciousness and return to my ordinary waking state consciousness, without having to experience reality according to how I experienced it in Unity Consciousness? Well, this gets interesting. First of all, I never rejected, nor could I reject, the FACT of Unity Consciousness. There IS such a thing as enlightenment, and Unity Consciousness as far as I can tell is the summit of what it means to be enlightened. (I should say in passing that I never went through the first two stages of enlightenment: Cosmic Consciousness and then God Consciousness: I went from ignorance right into Unity—and I told this to Maharishi. He made it clear in his response that such a transition was possible and even natural. In fact, if I remember correctly, towards the end of our Six Month Course he began to
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Two Types Of SEBs*
Turq, Thanks for the tip about what looks like a very expensive restaurant. It is about 20-25km from where I live. I actually was driven by there last week in one of my few outings, but I never thought about what was there. I remember a sign. Usually, if I get out at all it is to an Indian Restaurant other members of my sister's family like, Jaipore, which is much closer. This restaurant is housed in a building that used to be Charles Chaplin's studio way back when. The Indians (not the earlier so-called native ones from East Asia) seem to have taken over the lower tier motel business in the United States, even in places like Rawlins, Wyoming, but this means - sometimes - decent Indian food can be found in odd places. Once when I lived nearer to MIU, some friends wanted me to see one of those Indian 'saints', I think it might have been the infamous Amma (the one that gets people kicked out of the dome). Anyway, we stayed in Napierville, Illinois, and there was an exquisite Indian restaurant, with a buffet, in a small strip mall. The other memorable event of this trip, not Amma to be sure, was at a motel right under the Napierville water tower. I went to the vending machine room, and there was this exquisitely beautiful Hispanic girl, probably one of the maids; didn't speak English (and I no Spanish). Just breathtaking. Just seeing that face. Well look what you have done here. I had better get back to my reclusive ways, to justify my ISEB embossed baseball cap. Nice story about JP Morgan. I like history too, but not the kind that shows up in spiritual movements, where facts are a fatality. Facts are a fatality anyway, but there are still some historians, not the post-modern ones, that are still interested in facts. I could find nothing about the Morgan affair with Rainsford's wife on the Internet. This must have been really secretive, and it would seem you got the information by hand-me-down from a small coterie of people that knew about it over the years. The Rev. Rainsford wrote an autobiography, and the small portion I looked at described his battle with Morgan over the control of the finances of the church in which Morgan was the outstanding member. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: I never did much fine dining, either not enough cash, or no opportunity. ... I live on my brother-in-law's farm near Brewster, NY now, and do not get out much for health reasons. I am still mostly an ISEB. Fine dining I like, but it is much finer if someone else pays for it. Should you find someone else to pay for it, I can recommend a fine dining experience near you. It's called Le Chateau (1410 Route 35, South Salem, NY). http://www.lechateauny.com/ Then click the 'View and Print our e-Brochure' link. It's a nice restaurant occupying an estate built in 1907 by J P Morgan. It occupies the highest hill in the area, and the property takes up most of that hilltop. I used to not only eat there, I lived there. If you ever get to visit, just beyond the main chateau is a smaller stone cottage, referred to by the owners as the hunting lodge (because that's what it was when Morgan built the place). I rented it for a couple of years. Can you imagine being stuck out in the middle of nowhere late at night, miles from the nearest town or 7/11, and getting the munchies? Well, now imagine that when the place next door is a five-star restaurant. Life's a bitch sometimes. Gained ten pounds while living there, and felt fortunate that it wasn't more. One of the reasons I liked the place was that it was built by J P Morgan, but not for himself. It was built for his pastor, William S. Rainsford. According to the owners of the property when I lived there, Reverend Rainsford got this house not because Morgan loved his spiritual advice, but because he loved the Reverend's wife, and was having a torrid affair with her that the Rev never knew about. It's good to be rich.
[FairfieldLife] Re: So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?
Somebody ought to talk to his publisher, Sunstar Publishing in Fairfield, about reissuing/reprinting Galaxy of Fire. (I assume it's out of print; Amazon has only three used copies for $80-some each!) If Sunstar still has the electronic files for the book, they might think about selling it as a PDF for download. It would cost them very little. I'd buy a copy.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:03 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: snip I /think/ the implication was that JL was describing RC's encounter with Maharishi and Maharishi's validation of RC's ? enlightenment?. Am I correct in the assumption? Whose implication? Not mine. Is Jay Lathom another pseudonym for FFL's latest noodnick, Masked Zebra? I doubt it. With respect to Masked Zebra/RC. I notice that though RC posted out, he's still posting. You missed Alex's post giving him a reprieve this time because he's new. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/280573 No, Judy, you missed it. Alex said the first time, and hist post hasn't changed, that he'd be inclined to let RC slide this week as he's a newbie, but that Rick is the owner. Rick has software running such that any mention of the word Rick get's his attention and he zooms in on the post. He did not rule against RC. I didn't expect him to. If it slams Maharishi, Rick's tacitly all for it. I agree with Nabby here. Rick's tacit aggressive when it comes to Maharishi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Nice rap/reply. Enjoyed all of it. And what a refreshing perspective from the usual fare we get here. I haven't read ahead, but likely you will have provoked the outrage of others who are always at the ready to slam a perspective that runs counter to their views. Oh baloney. I've read RC's posts just to see how he thinks. He has a uniquely functioning mind and I find that fascinating. He has an amazing story to tell in the context of a TM movement history we share and that's fascinating as well. What's to criticize? I wouldn't have wanted to face the challenges he has had just as he wouldn't have wanted to face the challenges I've had. Everyone's journey has surprising twists and turns...it just a ride.
[FairfieldLife] Re: So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?
Here's a link to the first 50 pages. http://www.book-cover-design.com/interiors/Galaxy-of-Fire-Book-web.pdf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Somebody ought to talk to his publisher, Sunstar Publishing in Fairfield, about reissuing/reprinting Galaxy of Fire. (I assume it's out of print; Amazon has only three used copies for $80-some each!) If Sunstar still has the electronic files for the book, they might think about selling it as a PDF for download. It would cost them very little. I'd buy a copy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:03 PM, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: snip I /think/ the implication was that JL was describing RC's encounter with Maharishi and Maharishi's validation of RC's ? enlightenment?. Am I correct in the assumption? Whose implication? Not mine. Is Jay Lathom another pseudonym for FFL's latest noodnick, Masked Zebra? I doubt it. With respect to Masked Zebra/RC. I notice that though RC posted out, he's still posting. You missed Alex's post giving him a reprieve this time because he's new. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/280573 No, Judy, you missed it. No, Tom, I saw it. Alex said the first time, and hist post hasn't changed, that he'd be inclined to let RC slide this week as he's a newbie, but that Rick is the owner. He always says that when he proposes some ruling before he's checked with Rick. Rick has software running such that any mention of the word Rick get's his attention and he zooms in on the post. He did not rule against RC. I didn't expect him to. Neither did I. Why should he have? It's a reasonable exemption for a newbie. If it slams Maharishi, Rick's tacitly all for it. I agree with Nabby here. Rick's tacit aggressive when it comes to Maharishi. That's nonsense. (I think you mean passive aggressive, no?) And why should you care anyway?
[FairfieldLife] Re: So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?
Thanks. That part's all about Vietnam, though. Why the heck don't they put the whole thing up for download and charge something for it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Here's a link to the first 50 pages. http://www.book-cover-design.com/interiors/Galaxy-of-Fire-Book-web.pdf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Somebody ought to talk to his publisher, Sunstar Publishing in Fairfield, about reissuing/reprinting Galaxy of Fire. (I assume it's out of print; Amazon has only three used copies for $80-some each!) If Sunstar still has the electronic files for the book, they might think about selling it as a PDF for download. It would cost them very little. I'd buy a copy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Children of the Night
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/26/2011 10:05 AM, sparaig wrote: So, I'm curious as to how MZ, not to mention Vaj, respond to this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeanne-ball/meditation-trauma-abuse_b_883225.html It doesn't have to be TM either. My tantra guru taught meditation to similar kids through a program on of students who is a juvenile office set up. That wasn't my question. Both MZ and Vaj agree for sure on one thing: TM is not-good, disguised as good. Lawson
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[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Dear Rory, I should have included you in those here in the know of Enlightenment. But you tend to use a lot of words, a LOT of words ! Wow! And here I was thinking I was being nice and succinct! Always room for less, I guess. But as to Enlightment, I know nothing :-) Very shortly it would nice to hear your understanding of the Crop Circles, see post above. What is your understandig of this ? At present, I have no understanding of this, but they feel rather like new chakras singing themselves into existence. It's always nice to see I-particles creating new works of art! :-) Dear Rory; what is a I-particle ? [Display until 14th July 2011] http://www.journeyswithsoul.com/cropcircles.html http://www.earthfiles.com/shop.php Honeystreet, Nr Alton Barnes, Wiltshire. Reported 26th June. Map Ref: This Page has been accessed [Hit Counter] Updated Sunday 26th June2011 http://www.7fires.net/ AERIAL SHOTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/honeystreet/honeystreet2011a.ht\ ml GROUND SHOTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/honeystreet/groundshots.html DIAGRAMS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/honeystreet/diagrams.html FIELD REPORTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/honeystreet/fieldreports.html COMMENTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/honeystreet/comments.html ARTICLES http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/honeystreet/articles.html 26/06/11 26/06/11 26/06/11 26/06/11 26/06/11 26/06/11 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=122251217802800v=wall Discuss this circle on our Facebook CIRCLE CHASERS ON FACEBOOK http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=122251217802800v=wall http://www.cccvault.co.uk/cccvideos/2010/trailer2010z.html CLICK HERE FOR THE LATEST CROP CIRCLE CONNECTOR DVD http://www.cccvault.co.uk/cccvideos/2010/trailer2010z.html Location: Field Opposite Barge Inn - Honeystreet Map:Crop: Description: Big thin ring with Bigger rings in decreasing size round one half Discovery: Sun 26th June 10.30am Name: Gordon Burns Status: Waiting for field Report. Images Gordon Burns Copyright 2011 http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/crop-circle-connector/id436655580?mt=8
[FairfieldLife] Re: WWWilliamofOccamD?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Hi. I didn't receive answers to my last two questions, but I'll pose a third. AFAIK, you're the only person in recorded history to have achieved a unity-type state of consciousness or any other flavor of enlightenment and then denounce it as false. Are you aware of anyone else who has done so, and, if not, do you think you're the first and why? As I'm sure you'll agree, there is a long tradition of enlightenment in the East, and it would be surprising that no one else would have ever made the same claim, assuming your current consciousness reflects reality. MZ- thank you for taking the time to reply to the above questions that someone posed. I appreciate that you have really gone through an incredible journey in your life andthere could be a good deal of truth of some sort in your ideas about MMY, states of consciousness, and whether plain old reality as we are born in to it is as real and good as it gets, assuming your brain is healthy and does not start to malfunction and therefore modify your perceptions of that reality. It does sound as if you have been faced with incredible challenges for the past 24 years as you have - all alone - tried to deal with switching from one state of unwanted consciousness, to another that you think is more the honest reality. A lonely, confusing, apparently very complicated task that might have been made even more so by the incredible intellect and unusual style of thinking that you have. I have no way of knowing if your interior battle for the real reality is going to lead anywhere, but I hope you arrive at a place that is relaxed and comfortable and is without the controlling efforts of the forces and paradigms you are trying to escape. Maybe no paradigm, just simple being, is the healthiest way of living for all of us. The obvious response to your style and your writings is to ask if you ever get out of your head and into your body - exercise, or get some medicine to stop the onrushing thoughts - because it does not sound balanced, but then perhaps you have tried all that. Have you ever had a job or earned a living? Or, this is your journey and it is all consuming? I genuinely wish you well. Thank you, Robin, for a very clear set of answers to my questions. I take it you've seen A Beautiful Mind? John Nash lived in a perceptual world opposed to reality, and used his intellect to deconstruct the schizophrenia, a process taking the rest of his life. Sounds like your still playing the one up game on everyone Robin... Who else could come up with such a story... Reality in the West is based on Seperation from God and Original Sin... I guess if you want to play these mind games, it's ok... But to use this technique you seem to have perfected to 'One Up' everyone... Just sounds like the same old robin to me... Hope you come back to reality, whatever that is... As far as being on the Drudge Report, that is the most ludicrice thing I ever heard...! We do live in one crazy reality don't we...? It's called the 'Earth Experience'... Did you ever here of the song 'Imagine' by John Lennon Perhaps you should listen to it again.. I guess John Lennon was also deluded... This has got to be the craziest forum on the whole of the internet... Maybe we could use this as an advertisement... FF life is the craziest Group on the whole of the Internet...!
[FairfieldLife] 'Enlightenment is not a function of the Mind'
Enlightenment is not of the Rational Mind... It is an intuitive reality... Ego is a funtion of the rational mind... Ego is what divides us all... Human Being are the only beings on the planet that have developed Ego... Human Beings are the only beings on the planet that have created war, greed, lust and all the rest of it... Developing the mind and the intellect has gotten humanity where it is today...on the brink of collapse... The only way to save this planet from Destruction is to form some kind of Intuition that we are all One... This was Jesus' essential teaching also... Don't be deluded by the ego...in whatever form it takes... And especially by one's whose egos have gotten beyond the brink.. Hitler was also a teacher of seperation... The South still wants to be seperate from the Union... Seperateness breeds contempt... Seperateness breeds death... Seperateness is not the ultimate reality, period.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 7:47 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: No, Judy, you missed it. No, Tom, I saw it. Alex said the first time, and hist post hasn't changed, that he'd be inclined to let RC slide this week as he's a newbie, but that Rick is the owner. He always says that when he proposes some ruling before he's checked with Rick. Rick has software running such that any mention of the word Rick get's his attention and he zooms in on the post. He did not rule against RC. I didn't expect him to. Neither did I. Why should he have? It's a reasonable exemption for a newbie. If it slams Maharishi, Rick's tacitly all for it. I agree with Nabby here. Rick's tacit aggressive when it comes to Maharishi. That's nonsense. (I think you mean passive aggressive, no?) And why should you care anyway? No, I meant tacit aggressive. If you look at the letters to the owner he chooses to post, you'll notice that if they're a slam on Maharishi or a slam on the TMO, no matter how far out it might be, Rick will decide to post it, anonymous to the author, but claim he's being fair and, well, it's not his writing. Like, for example, that ?psychologist? who launched an incoherent tirade against Maharishi and the TMO some months ago. People asked why it is Rick chose to post /that/ but Rick just said something like he posted it because it was available for posting or some such inane excuse. Why does it bother me? Because I've seen Rick play this very subtle but after a while very obvious and IMO pretty damn inconsiderate and nasty game of saying he's not getting involved, that he's at most acting as facilitator to get all sides of an argument out. But his bias and agenda become obvious. That rankles me because 1) It's very dishonest and 2) His hidden agenda becomes first obvious then insulting. Rick does this not only on FFL but in real life as well. I like to hear both sides. I'd prefer, of course, two sides to post an approximately equal number of words. If you are enlightened or were and decided you're better than that now, it appears it's part of your enlightenment to throw in at least a thousand extra big, florid words which don't move your story along because, well, rambling and confusing people with your meaning appears to be part and parcel of enlightenment.Maharishi spoke for hours at a tim, but crystallized his main points into pithy epigrams. Rory, Ravi and now RC, OTOH, figure the more words they throw at you the more you'll lap it up.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Children of the Night
On 06/26/2011 05:09 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 06/26/2011 10:05 AM, sparaig wrote: So, I'm curious as to how MZ, not to mention Vaj, respond to this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeanne-ball/meditation-trauma-abuse_b_883225.html It doesn't have to be TM either. My tantra guru taught meditation to similar kids through a program on of students who is a juvenile office set up. That wasn't my question. Both MZ and Vaj agree for sure on one thing: TM is not-good, disguised as good. Lawson I wasn't responding to your question but to the article you linked.
[FairfieldLife] Re: So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?
Not only is RC new here, but he has been besieged from many sides by people riled up by his provocative posts. With so many people posting AT you, it is really hard to keep to the limit set for the rest of us who have had time to settle in. RC is learning who to respond to but I support Rick's giving the guy a pass this week. I believe your bias charge is bogus. Imagine if a movement bigwig signed on and over posted while stimulating discussions. Everyone would feel the same way. Stimulating discussions here is good. I don't care which side is doing the stimulating. If I use the term stimulating one more time I am totally gunna pitch a tent...too late. Sorry gotta run to www.badbadgirlswhoweartoomuchmakeupbutnottoomanyclothesandareslutty.com --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 7:47 PM, authfriend jstein@... wrote: No, Judy, you missed it No, Tom, I saw it. Alex said the first time, and hist post hasn't changed, that he'd be inclined to let RC slide this week as he's a newbie, but that Rick is the owner. He always says that when he proposes some ruling before he's checked with Rick. Rick has software running such that any mention of the word Rick get's his attention and he zooms in on the post. He did not rule against RC. I didn't expect him to. Neither did I. Why should he have? It's a reasonable exemption for a newbie. If it slams Maharishi, Rick's tacitly all for it. I agree with Nabby here. Rick's tacit aggressive when it comes to Maharishi. That's nonsense. (I think you mean passive aggressive, no?) And why should you care anyway? No, I meant tacit aggressive. If you look at the letters to the owner he chooses to post, you'll notice that if they're a slam on Maharishi or a slam on the TMO, no matter how far out it might be, Rick will decide to post it, anonymous to the author, but claim he's being fair and, well, it's not his writing. Like, for example, that ?psychologist? who launched an incoherent tirade against Maharishi and the TMO some months ago. People asked why it is Rick chose to post /that/ but Rick just said something like he posted it because it was available for posting or some such inane excuse. Why does it bother me? Because I've seen Rick play this very subtle but after a while very obvious and IMO pretty damn inconsiderate and nasty game of saying he's not getting involved, that he's at most acting as facilitator to get all sides of an argument out. But his bias and agenda become obvious. That rankles me because 1) It's very dishonest and 2) His hidden agenda becomes first obvious then insulting. Rick does this not only on FFL but in real life as well. I like to hear both sides. I'd prefer, of course, two sides to post an approximately equal number of words. If you are enlightened or were and decided you're better than that now, it appears it's part of your enlightenment to throw in at least a thousand extra big, florid words which don't move your story along because, well, rambling and confusing people with your meaning appears to be part and parcel of enlightenment.Maharishi spoke for hours at a tim, but crystallized his main points into pithy epigrams. Rory, Ravi and now RC, OTOH, figure the more words they throw at you the more you'll lap it up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: Nice rap/reply. Enjoyed all of it. And what a refreshing perspective from the usual fare we get here. I haven't read ahead, but likely you will have provoked the outrage of others who are always at the ready to slam a perspective that runs counter to their views. Oh baloney. I've read RC's posts just to see how he thinks. He has a uniquely functioning mind and I find that fascinating. He has an amazing story to tell in the context of a TM movement history we share and that's fascinating as well. What's to criticize? I wouldn't have wanted to face the challenges he has had just as he wouldn't have wanted to face the challenges I've had. Everyone's journey has surprising twists and turns...it just a ride. Exactly how I feel.
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I know Michael Dean Goodman isn't exactly popular here, but boy, we could use the clarity of his explanations on this topic, at least when we're trying to figure out what MMY meant when he said... Yes, his presence here is always a privilege and a joy! Well, more to some than to others! But he really has a quite extraordinary gift for articulating MMY's teaching. Indeed he does. Boy, I'd love to see a three-way between you, MZ, and Michael. Ha! I am imagining how Curtis would respond to that phrasing :-) Oh yeah, blame it on the blues guy! The new the devil mad me do it. Like I am the patron saint of smut among then pure of heart! Funny Rory, nice to be shouted out to brother! (MZ, do you by any chance have stock in a popcorn company? Because I just had to lay in a new supply, given how fast I've been running through it since you arrived.) :-D
[FairfieldLife] Investigating Healthy Minds
American Public Media - Being Investigating Healthy Minds with Richard Davidson (June 23, 2011) Once upon a time we assumed the brain stops developing when we're young. Neuroscientist Richard Davidson helped overturn this idea by studying the brains of meditating Buddhist monks. Now he's working on conditions like ADHD and autism. He focuses not on fixing what is wrong, but on rewiring our minds with life-enriching behaviors. http://being.publicradio.org/programs/2011/healthy-minds/ Listen to the program: http://download.publicradio.org/podcast/being/programs/2011/06/21/20110623_investigating_healthy_minds_128.mp3 [52']
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Dear Rory; what is a I-particle ? Dear Nablusoss; succinctly, an I-particle is an ego, a wave on the ocean of Us, a being believing it exists as a separate entity in spacetime. We collapse into them constantly; every thing that exists may be called an I-particle; we contain them all and are constantly surprised by them/Us :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: snip Rory, Ravi and now RC, OTOH, figure the more words they throw at you the more you'll lap it up. Dear Tom, I feel I know you well enough by now to be pretty sure you won't lap up anything I say, no matter how many or how few words I might use. But then again, you might surprise me one day.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Enlightenment is not a function of the Mind'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: Enlightenment is not of the Rational Mind... Enlightnement, if it includes anything, it includes everything. It doesn't change anything, but it includes all in its perspective. It includes the rational mind, but as the rational mind is a subset of all that can be included in a definition of mind, the rational mind cannot quite grasp the whole of experience. It is an intuitive reality... Yes, but we would never hear about enlightenment if the rational mind did not make up material to explain the experience. Ego is a funtion of the rational mind... I think ego is more primitive than that, the rational mind provides a story or justification for the experience of ego. I think you meant 'function' here. I am not sure what a 'funtion' is; maybe it is what Barry does when he tells me to go suck on eggs: 'Funtion off Xeno, I am not interested in your pompous s**t'. Ego is what divides us all... I would say yes and no here. Ego gets people together too. It is an aspect of falling in love, or being in a group that has particular ideals. The greatest highs and lows in life are a function of ego. But ego does result in suffering, but also elation. Enlightenment kind of damps out the amplitude somewhat. Human Being are the only beings on the planet that have developed Ego... This might not be true. Chimpanzee's may have something like ego, though I am not sure about this. Expeimentally they seem to show a certain amount of self-relfection and an ability to conceptualize. Human Beings are the only beings on the planet that have created war, greed, lust and all the rest of it... Chimpanzees go to war against their own kind. I once saw an eerie documentary showing male chimps moving out of their camp, single file and completely silent to go attack another group. They also use weapons. Genetically we are 99% chimp. (If my percent is in error, Judy will make the proper correction.) Developing the mind and the intellect has gotten humanity where it is today...on the brink of collapse... Of course. No other animal or plant has restructured the world as we have. You would still be in the forest or scavenging for food on the Savannah if it were not for this. Or not exist at all. The only way to save this planet from Destruction is to form some kind of Intuition that we are all One... That might work, but historically no one has been able to get humanity to uniformly agree to such a high degree of conformity, to get everyone to buy into the idea. And those that have the experience also do not seem to display a high degree of conformity anyway. This was Jesus' essential teaching also... Look where he ended up, and what happened to the organisations that have risen in his name. Don't be deluded by the ego...in whatever form it takes... This is what enlightenment is for, but there is still going to be some shadow of it there as long as there is a body that localises experience to a specific location. And especially by one's whose egos have gotten beyond the brink.. In terms of enlightenment, the brink is the ego, the fragmentation of experience into parts without seeing the whole. By the time everyone is five years old, they are beyond the brink. Hitler was also a teacher of seperation... Hitler, however one may dislike what he did, was strangely brilliant. The political system in Germany had dozens of parties, which he sarcastically mocked. He focused the population on a single enemy to unify them, by creating a single separation to focus on instead of many. Perverted, sure, but it worked, for a while. And it helped to unify many other countries against him. It also resulted in creating a considerably greater solidarity among the Jews than existed before World War II, and a greater appreciation in the West of the dangers of genocide. Separation and Unity are strange bedfellows, they are each others whore, neither can exist as an idea without the other. The South still wants to be seperate from the Union... The Union, the 'united STATES' (this is how it was capitalized in the final parchment of the Declaration of Independence) was initially conceived as a federation of independent states. You see something similar in the European Union, and similar problems, currently for example with the financial problems of Greece. Greece might have to temporarily drop out of the union if it fails to get its financial house in order. Seperateness breeds contempt... Yes, and everything else that exists, as long as you see separate things. Even if you experience the whole, you still can see separate things. And some of those separate things appear as great beauty, which attracts and can inspire. The concept of god consciousness depends on separateness for it to have any significance. The concept of unity also depends on separateness similarly. Seperateness breeds
[FairfieldLife] Re: WWWilliamofOccamD?
Chaim yer takin' b.s. again. Are you still on stage? Your statement about the West is obstructively Euro-centric (and Roman Catholic at that). Get out your prayer shawl `cause them goy-s is tired of your Ashkenazi theologizing. There is more to the Western culture than you seem to understand. This is due to a poverty of education foisted upon us by teachers who really did not know the difference. Think Plato. Think Neo-Platonism. Think Eastern Orthodox Christianity. None of these either had or currently have the assumptions which you so blindly wish upon them. Jimminy Cricket (Il Grillo Parlante) could do better than this. Why not you? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: Reality in the West is based on Seperation from God and Original Sin...
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Dear Rory; what is a I-particle ? Dear Nablusoss; succinctly, an I-particle is an ego, a wave on the ocean of Us, a being believing it exists as a separate entity in spacetime. We collapse into them constantly; every thing that exists may be called an I-particle; we contain them all and are constantly surprised by them/Us :-) ...also, the sum-total of I-particles constitutes our body of awareness and our objective Reality.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Children of the Night
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/26/2011 05:09 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 06/26/2011 10:05 AM, sparaig wrote: So, I'm curious as to how MZ, not to mention Vaj, respond to this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeanne-ball/meditation-trauma-abuse_b_883225.html It doesn't have to be TM either. My tantra guru taught meditation to similar kids through a program on of students who is a juvenile office set up. That wasn't my question. Both MZ and Vaj agree for sure on one thing: TM is not-good, disguised as good. Lawson I wasn't responding to your question but to the article you linked. I understand. I was still trying to goad a response from them. L.
[FairfieldLife] Mechanics of Vedic Engineering
As a reminder for those who have doubts, MMY explains how the unmanifest becomes real in the world of creation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMKFGeTxVpU
[FairfieldLife] Re: Children of the Night
Vaj is a concern troll posting here to convert us styoopid TM meditators so we will take up his brand of cross-eyed joka. WTF? Why expect something else? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 06/26/2011 10:05 AM, sparaig wrote: So, I'm curious as to how MZ, not to mention Vaj, respond to this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeanne-ball/meditation-trauma-abuse_b_8832\ 25.html It doesn't have to be TM either. My tantra guru taught meditation to similar kids through a program on of students who is a juvenile office set up. That wasn't my question. Both MZ and Vaj agree for sure on one thing: TM is not-good, disguised as good. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: Nice rap/reply. Enjoyed all of it. And what a refreshing perspective from the usual fare we get here. I haven't read ahead, but likely you will have provoked the outrage of others who are always at the ready to slam a perspective that runs counter to their views. Oh baloney. I've read RC's posts just to see how he thinks. He has a uniquely functioning mind and I find that fascinating. He has an amazing story to tell in the context of a TM movement history we share and that's fascinating as well. What's to criticize? I wouldn't have wanted to face the challenges he has had just as he wouldn't have wanted to face the challenges I've had. Everyone's journey has surprising twists and turns...it just a ride. Exactly how I feel. My own take is that MZ, like many others on this forum (most others?) is stuck in some way. IT is an interesting thing to note that those who are laying claim to full enlightenment reject MMY's assertion that perfect performance of all the sidhis is a test of full enlightenment. One presumes this is because none of them can perfectly perform all the sidhis. Certainly, from what MZ says, if he WAS able to perfectly perform all the sidhis, he wouldn't be claiming that it is merely an illusory state. Ironically, I think that MMY's comment may have been directed specifically at HIM, personally. Which goes back to the point about shared history. MZ is the person, I believe for whom that quote was crafted in the first place. It is ironic that he rejects the quote while asserting that his state is exactly what MMY implied it was: not really all there yet. L
