[FairfieldLife] Re: It Came From Dementia
Clearly, I failed to reserve a talking crazy head in the painting below for Robert/Babaji. Maybe he's the green/pink tentacled thing from which the blessings of all dementia flow. Or the elephant. :-) One thing I have to say for outbursts of insanity like yesterday's is that they make the end of the posting week much more pleasant by comparison. At this rate all of the crazies will have posted out by Monday and then the rest of us can talk. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: by Aaron Marshall http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/previousshows/2000shows/marshall/itcam\ e.jpg http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/previousshows/2000shows/marshall/itca\ me.jpg I get this one. It's supposed to be a group portrait of Fairfield Life, right? I mean, there is Ravi, and Jim, and Judy and Raunchy, and Bob Price in the upper left, and Willytex and Nabby even Robin doing his party imitation of Christ on a stick. Good likenesses all... :-) [http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/previousshows/2000shows/marshall/itca\ me.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm having an emotion / the pre-qualification (was.... Bob)
http://youtu.be/ti3MkTt5qv4 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: Paper Matrix From: raunchydog raunchydog@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 11:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm having an emotion / the pre-qualification (was Bob) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I think Ravi is missing some of the subtleties of western culture. He equates his use of the work blowjob with Raunchy's and doesn't seem to see any difference. Raunchy is Mack the Knife. Ravi is Chainsaw Massacre. Denn die einen sind im Dunkeln Und die andern sind im Licht Und man siehet die im Lichte Die im Dunkeln sieht man nicht There are some who are in darkness And the others are in light And you see the ones in brightness Those in darkness drop from sight http://youtu.be/aPG9GcykPIY And that's how the fight started... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297016 ...and ended. http://youtu.be/nXJkqYf-LNU --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Dont get upset Steve. Ravi is teaching us a new form of yoga. He learnt it from his Guru Jim. On Dec 3, 2011, at 6:24 AM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: Do you think you'll get the reaction you want with this post Rav? To say it's in poor taste, doesn't quite do it. I'll go on record saying I think you should be given a one week hiatus. Rick?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'President Newt?'
Heads we win. From: seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'President Newt?' I would probably disagree with your cousin too. Some people in the military think the whole world revolves around them, and they forget that if we invest too much in defense we can become bankrupt in other areas of life that are just as, if not more, important. Needless to say, i'm not the most popular among my co-workers in my point of view. I guess we should expect such a reply from someone who supposedly gets his paycheck from the US military. BTW Seek, I have a cousin who is a retired Marine Colonel who also complained about military budget cuts of the Clinton administration. I countered him of course. You're being a bit tricky here by saying that the increase is only responsible for about 25% of the deficit. Maybe so but then we should also look at the ENTIRE defense budget not just the increase. Yes, we should look at the entire defense budget. Many companies who hire business consultants to evaluate their efficiency should send those consultants to the military. They would clean up a lot of the waste that goes on. If I told you about all the BullS**t that i've seen in terms of waste and fraud, you'd be a more pissed off person than you seem to be about our defense spending. Unfortunately, higher ranking officers tend to be unwelcoming to the advice of knowledgeable civilians who know how to organize and structure things effectively. Employment? So is being a hit man for the mafia. It's a paycheck too. The US should not be in the business of being the world's policemen. I agree 100% about not being the world's policemen. However, your hit man analogy is inaccurate because less than 15% of our military really fits in that category. Most of them are simple working class people who work for the government instead of WalMart. In any military in the history of the world is over 80% of that military is 'support' for the less than 20% who actually fights. About defense cuts, my role in a software company gave me visits from defense contractors (including Lockheed-Marinetta), who with the 1990s cutbacks were out to license their libraries to new markets. Remember those cutbacks helped lead to a surplus when Clinton left office. Good, we need a surplus, and the military can shrink in terms of the people that never should've been there in the first place. Most wars of empire are committed because they make someone money. We were in Iraq not to depose Saddam to destroy the country so money could be made rebuilding it after we destroyed it not to mention all the lucrative defense contracts for people like Halliburton and KBR. And we are in Afghanistan offering free health care to Afghanis while Americans die because of lack of health care here. That alone is a crime. It's all about money and not about democracy. This will take too long to explain, but in short: It's cheaper for the government to use civilian companies/contractors for the work that the military used to do for itself. KBR provided our dining facilities because it's cheaper to pay a civilian to cook for us than it is to pay someone to cook for us who we also have to train to use a weapon and issue him $30k worth of other gear (body armor, Night Vision, and ammo aren't cheap) and equipment prior to deploying. The whole 'afghan medical care' issue is more complex than you think. Army SF (green berets) realized a long time ago that you will win over an entire province a lot faster by helping the villages rather than fighting the insurgents face to face. So they developed a nationwide strategy in Afghanistan to live among villagers throughout the country and help develop and sustain those villages. By doing so, the local population turns to the side of the USA and other coalition forces. The Navy Seals and Marsoc (the unit I work with) have followed suit with this strategy. It's working and it's much less costly in terms of money and life. The Taliban are losing credibility day by day in some provinces because they provide little or no help whatsoever. All they do is kidnap young boys and force them to fight the Afghan government. The only problem I see with Afghanistan is that we're broke, and we don't have the money to fix A-stan's issues. So, IMO, we should leave before we completely default financially as a nation. Afghanistan is a very strategic country in terms of Heroin production and transportation of illegal materials. That being the case, Mafias and corrupt governments will never allow the US to be successful there. seekliberation
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm having an emotion / the pre-qualification (was.... Bob)
Seems familiar From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 1:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm having an emotion / the pre-qualification (was Bob) http://youtu.be/ti3MkTt5qv4 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: Paper Matrix From: raunchydog raunchydog@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 11:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm having an emotion / the pre-qualification (was Bob) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I think Ravi is missing some of the subtleties of western culture. He equates his use of the work blowjob with Raunchy's and doesn't seem to see any difference. Raunchy is Mack the Knife. Ravi is Chainsaw Massacre. Denn die einen sind im Dunkeln Und die andern sind im Licht Und man siehet die im Lichte Die im Dunkeln sieht man nicht There are some who are in darkness And the others are in light And you see the ones in brightness Those in darkness drop from sight http://youtu.be/aPG9GcykPIY And that's how the fight started... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297016 ...and ended. http://youtu.be/nXJkqYf-LNU --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Dont get upset Steve. Ravi is teaching us a new form of yoga. He learnt it from his Guru Jim. On Dec 3, 2011, at 6:24 AM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: Do you think you'll get the reaction you want with this post Rav? To say it's in poor taste, doesn't quite do it. I'll go on record saying I think you should be given a one week hiatus. Rick?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm having an emotion / the pre-qualification (was.... Bob)
Whew, Steve - thank you. I have dodged a bullet. I knew I could bank on your love for me bailing me out. From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 7:11:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm having an emotion / the pre-qualification (was Bob) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Steve - did I clean your clock then? I hope you haven't take any offense because I still love you. Ravi, as far as I'm concerned, any dispute we might have doesn't do much more than scratch the surface. I'd like to think that I'll always be there for you. I just wanted to show I can clean clocks and that no one can clean my clock. I didn't have to make too much effort to come up with those words. I was blissful sitting on that bench in Venice, with my coffee and smoke just typing away. If we don't push one another on occassion, then we don't really progress in a friendship. And of course, with relationships such as these, via the internet, it seems that you can cycle through ups and downs a little more quickly. People are vulnerable because they insulate themselves with beliefs, whereas my ability to clean clocks comes from my utter lack of belief, total helplessness and vulnerability. I'm totally open to harm, yet can never be harmed. Even Gurus are tied to their teachings and their followers whereas a yogi is utterly free, not even afraid of death because I have encountered death and conquered it. Sounds great. Quite an accomplishment. So either you continue to make thoughtless statements and align with the perverted intellect of a raunchy, a jason, an alex or go with the top 1% that is The Mad Yogi Inc, your choice really. Rav, I'll take your suggestion under advisement. But funny you should put it that way. This whole week, the thought that has been going through my head is that I am part of the 99% Bon voyage. Thanks
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It Came From Dementia
From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, December 4, 2011 12:00:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: It Came From Dementia Clearly, I failed to reserve a talking crazy head in the painting below for Robert/Babaji. Maybe he's the green/pink tentacled thing from which the blessings of all dementia flow. Or the elephant. :-) One thing I have to say for outbursts of insanity like yesterday's is that they make the end of the posting week much more pleasant by comparison. At this rate all of the crazies will have posted out by Monday and then the rest of us can talk. You wish Barry !!! I devised a devious plan with the help of Vedic gods to make sure the crazy Robin doesn't make a single post till I post out, so you still have to deal with him, good luck :-). I feel you have a crush on Obba and you are trying to steal her away from me. I don't really appreciate that, you have been warned my friend.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It Came From Dementia
Yeah Barry, stay away from Obba. Raunchy just dumped me - she's all yours. From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, December 4, 2011 1:16:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It Came From Dementia From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, December 4, 2011 12:00:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: It Came From Dementia Clearly, I failed to reserve a talking crazy head in the painting below for Robert/Babaji. Maybe he's the green/pink tentacled thing from which the blessings of all dementia flow. Or the elephant. :-) One thing I have to say for outbursts of insanity like yesterday's is that they make the end of the posting week much more pleasant by comparison. At this rate all of the crazies will have posted out by Monday and then the rest of us can talk. You wish Barry !!! I devised a devious plan with the help of Vedic gods to make sure the crazy Robin doesn't make a single post till I post out, so you still have to deal with him, good luck :-). I feel you have a crush on Obba and you are trying to steal her away from me. I don't really appreciate that, you have been warned my friend.
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: aakaasha in the YF-suutra?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Well, samaapatti = samaadhi? vitarkavichaaraanandaasmitaaruupaanugamaat.h sampraGYaataH .. 17.. viraamapratyayaabhyaasapuurvaH sa.nskaarasheSho.anyaH .. 18.. kShiiNavR^itterabhijaatasyeva maNergrahiitR^igrahaNagraahyeShu tatsthatadaJNjanataa samaapattiH .. 41.. tatra shabdaarthaGYaanavikalpaiH sa.nkiirNaa savitarkaa samaapattiH .. 42.. smR^itiparishuddhau svaruupashuunyevaarthamaatranirbhaasaa nirvitarkaa .. 43.. etayaiva savichaaraa nirvichaaraa cha suukShmaviShayaa vyaakhyaataa .. 44.. suukShmaviShayatva.n chaaliN^gaparyavasaanam.h .. 45.. taa eva sabiijaH samaadhiH .. 46.. nirvichaaravaishaaradye.adhyaatmaprasaadaH .. 47.. R^itambharaa tatra praGYaa .. 48.. shrutaanumaanapraGYaabhyaam.h anyaviShayaa visheshhaarthatvaat.h .. 49.. tajjaH sa.nskaaro.anyasa.nskaarapratibandhii .. 50.. tasyaapi nirodhe sarvanirodhaan.h nirbiijaH samaadhiH .. 51.. vitarkavichaaraanandaasmitaaruupaanugamaat.h sampraGYaataH .. 17.. sandhi-vigraha (with modified transl.): vitarka-vicaara+aananda+asmitaa+ruupa+anugamaat samprajñaataH .. 17.. So, here P-jali enumerates the stages (or whatever) of samaadhi, which seems to be the implied headword of that longish dvandva/ tatpuruSa(or karmadhaaraya??) compound, because 'samprajñaataH' seems like a bahuvriihi (in masculine nominative singular) whose head word is omitted: vitarka-samaadhi vicaara-samaadhi aananda-samaadhi asmitaa-samaadhi ruupa-samaadhi (The last one, ruupa-samaadhi, seems to be quite rare; most editions probably don't have it??) Based on the Finnish translation by a Finnish TM teacher, Mr. Heikki Uusitupa, Lannoy and Shearer's Effortless Being (just ordered it from Amazon...) translates suutra 17 (in part) something like this: In saMprajñaata-samaadhi, there is, in addition to the settled state, mental(?) activity. The definition of samaapatti: kShiiNavR^itterabhijaatasyeva maNergrahiitR^igrahaNagraahyeShu tatsthatadaJNjanataa samaapattiH .. 41. (Sandhi-vigraha, transliteration slightly changed: kSiiNa-vRtteH; abhijaatasya+iva maNeH; grahiitR-grahaNa-graahyeSu tat-stha-tat-añjanataa samaapattiH .. 41.) Taimni's translation: In the case of one whose citta-vRttis have been almost annihilated, fusion or entire absorption in one another of the cognizer, cognition and cognized is brought about as in the case of a transparen jewel (resting on a coloured surface). Definition of savitarka-samaadhi (note that the version below has the word samaapatti at the end; that's not always the case; that's why we put it in brackets): tatra shabdaarthaGYaanavikalpaiH sa.nkiirNaa savitarkaa [samaapattiH] .. 42.. Taimni's translation (he replaces 'samaapatti' with 'samaadhi'): Savitarka-samaadhi is that in which knowledge based only on words, real knowledge and ordinary knowledge based on sense perception or reasoning are present in a mixed state and the mind alternates between them. Even without 'samaapatti' expressed, the feminine form of the adjective 'savitarkaa' tells us that the real headword is 'samaapatti' because 'samaadhi' is a masculine gender word, and thus, the adjective should be 'savitarkaH' instead of 'savitarkaa', if 'samaadhi' was the understood headword.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Robin Carlsen file uploaded to FairfieldLife
Dear Bob, thank you very much for sharing your experiences, that's awesome. So my intuition that you had a great deal of interest in people declaring enlightenment was spot on after all..:-). Anyway, since cleaning the clock was the favorite phrase of this week, I have to say you were the only person to clean my clock..LOL..that takes a special, unique bird err..turkey to do that. And that explains my love, appreciation for you. From: Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 8:38:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Robin Carlsen file uploaded to FairfieldLife Jason, Thank you; your clarification was appreciated. I certainly agree with you about Barrykins, but not about Jim, Ravi or MZ. When I was a proud member of the TMO, a little shy of 4 decades ago, some initiators were popping into enlightenment, like home brewed near beer in an over heated attic, and it used to irritate the shit out of me. I was old school, and figured the number of people I initiated was the only metric Maharishi cared about, and, at the time, I thought if all I cared about was what *I thought* Maharishi cared about, my enlightenment would take care of itself. I initiated a lot of people, and was blessed with a lot of time around Maharishi, and, I figured---some of my enlightened peers, seemed like complete losers when it came to my metric. Fast-forward, 35 years after leaving the TMO, I join FFL, and, sure enough, my metric and me pick up right where we left off. The only problem, was that as I proceeded to try and become FFL's biggest turkey, with a keyboard, I noticed people like Jim, Ravi, MZ, Rory and others---who had made it clear, they were either experiencing, or had previously experienced, a higher state of consciousness, not only seemed to be having more fun, but seemed to be one fu*k of a lot more tolerant, and frankly, more emotionally developed then most of us questioning their veracity. So I had this moment of clarity when I concluded: Why not, and, Who am I to question someone else's internal landscape. Since then I've been enjoying myself on FFL one hell of a lot more. I'm even thinking; if I hang around, some of the light may rub off on me. I had my palm read in Baalbek years ago, and this very pretty Lebanese lady told me I was a young soul. So I figure, after I come back as a slug, along with Barry---a few times, I may get another kick at the can, as a human, and, if nothing else, I can say I knew Ravi, Rory, and Jim---back in the day, when they were sentient beings. I certainty respect your right to think everything above is complete nonsense (except the part about the Lebanese lady being pretty); I enjoyed your post to me and wanted to share my experience. Another possibility is that this is just my way of trying to trick Tom into restarting his posting; if he does, I plan to throw another I Ching for (at) him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THcbQyFtCqg From: Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 11:46:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Robin Carlsen file uploaded to FairfieldLife I am sorry for the misunderstanding Bob. Pardon me, I wasn't refering to you. I was refering to Jim and Barry. Both make a good pair. Uncle Tantra is a pseudo-critic and a teaser. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Jim, Is it something we said, or something he ate---I'm going with the latter. Maybe he's related to Sal and your pictures set him off; probably not, better chance he lives with Vaj http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIJt9LYbtBsfeature=related From: Jason jedi_spock@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 9:32:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Robin Carlsen file uploaded to FairfieldLife And you are a pseudo-enlightened cosmic bitch whoring your fake 'awakening' around. And he is a pseudo-critic and an intellectual strip queen who stripteases in internet forums. Both of you make a good pair don't you. You both are made for each other. From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 10:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Robin Carlsen file uploaded to FairfieldLife Ha Ha Ha! Yes, I think I sufficiently explored within the realms of consciousness the genesis of Barry's use of the term, drama queen, which has now been supported further with the media you have supplied. He is truly everywhere, secure in his infinite archetype, kosmic King Baby.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm having an emotion / the pre-qualification (was.... Bob)
Excellent choice, I trust you have been screening the posts for her :-). I loved free falls after my E, prior to which I was very scared. My kid made me do it a couple of times after he himself got scared and I totally enjoyed it. I planned sky diving with a couple of friends in the Bay area but it never came to fruition but I plan to do it. I will check with them again :-) From: Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 5:28:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm having an emotion / the pre-qualification (was Bob) Ravi, Here a link from the daughter to you: http://vimeo.com/32875422 From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 4:50:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm having an emotion / the pre-qualification (was Bob) Steve - did I clean your clock then? I hope you haven't take any offense because I still love you. I just wanted to show I can clean clocks and that no one can clean my clock. I didn't have to make too much effort to come up with those words. I was blissful sitting on that bench in Venice, with my coffee and smoke just typing away. People are vulnerable because they insulate themselves with beliefs, whereas my ability to clean clocks comes from my utter lack of belief, total helplessness and vulnerability. I'm totally open to harm, yet can never be harmed. Even Gurus are tied to their teachings and their followers whereas a yogi is utterly free, not even afraid of death because I have encountered death and conquered it. So either you continue to make thoughtless statements and align with the perverted intellect of a raunchy, a jason, an alex or go with the top 1% that is The Mad Yogi Inc, your choice really. Bon voyage. From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 2:07:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm having an emotion / the pre-qualification (was Bob) Rav, you've rendered my speechless. I can't think of a thing to say. Ok. Bon Noel. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Hear ye, hear one and all. Step over Stupid Sal, here comes Steve, the idiot, nay the idiot of idiots, The King Idiot, the most simple, innocent, naive idiot, the original retard, the village bumpkin. From the village of St. Louis, the heart land, throbbing, pulsating, vibrating with a thriving community of idiots, multi faceted, multi dimensional retards. Steve, from St. Louis ably assisted by Rishi Jason, yoga man, a wannabe spiritual thing. King Idiot Steve confronts Dr. Ravi Chivukula, the renowned researcher from UCLA, the man of great intellect, who sacrificed his life, emigrating from India to spend time researching the people he so dearly loved. Dr. Ravi Chivukula travelled all over the vast regions of the West coast, from the beautiful foggy beaches to the sunny plains to the ice capped Cascades. Studying the West coast liberals, people of heart, yet fascinated by pseudo spiritual icons. He aped their mannerisms, he ate their food, he aped their language, their food habits, their customs, their culture. Now fashioned himself as Ravi Yogi, the Kali's Pimp, the mother of the shadow, the sex, anger, guilt, shame, the pain and the suffering. The King Idiot Steve confronts Ravi Yogi with the sacred teachings of the White man. Never before revealed White man's guilt, his burden, his superiority, nicely wrapped now as his rules, his sensibilities, his subtleties. The crowd egged on by Rishi Jason started throwing rocks at Ravi Yogi, which then mysteriously transformed as eggs and boomeranged back leaving them egg shell shocked.
[FairfieldLife] Why Maharishi was smarter than Rick Perry
OK, I *know* that that's not saying much, but think about it. In this factual satire from Garry Trudeau, Perry is selling positions of influence and power in a *real* government, eanbling them to rip off *real* citizens in a *real* country, for the bargain price of 1 million dollars a pop. Maharishi managed to sell positions of influence and power for the same price, but in an *imaginary* country. Now *that* is hucksterism. [Doonesbury] http://www.doonesbury.com/strip#mutable http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/archive/2011/12/04 http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/archive/2011/12/04
[FairfieldLife] 'The One' by Elton John
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85B_REWeNcM
[FairfieldLife] 'Archetypes and Dreams'...
'Reincarnation Stories' can be far-fetched, but sometimes for me I can get a sense of a Theme, historically and conceptionally of how things unfold, on a human level... Sometimes, I get annoyed by how some people treat the person of Jesus as well as the person of Maharishi, as they are some kind of unfailable god... And, they lose sight of the true character of these actors on the world stage, that had such an effect on human consciousness, that some lose site of their humaness... j.g.d.
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: aakaasha in the YF-suutra?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Well, samaapatti = samaadhi? vitarkavichaaraanandaasmitaaruupaanugamaat.h sampraGYaataH .. 17.. viraamapratyayaabhyaasapuurvaH sa.nskaarasheSho.anyaH .. 18.. kShiiNavR^itterabhijaatasyeva maNergrahiitR^igrahaNagraahyeShu tatsthatadaJNjanataa samaapattiH .. 41.. tatra shabdaarthaGYaanavikalpaiH sa.nkiirNaa savitarkaa samaapattiH .. 42.. smR^itiparishuddhau svaruupashuunyevaarthamaatranirbhaasaa nirvitarkaa .. 43.. etayaiva savichaaraa nirvichaaraa cha suukShmaviShayaa vyaakhyaataa .. 44.. suukShmaviShayatva.n chaaliN^gaparyavasaanam.h .. 45.. taa eva sabiijaH samaadhiH .. 46.. nirvichaaravaishaaradye.adhyaatmaprasaadaH .. 47.. R^itambharaa tatra praGYaa .. 48.. shrutaanumaanapraGYaabhyaam.h anyaviShayaa visheshhaarthatvaat.h .. 49.. tajjaH sa.nskaaro.anyasa.nskaarapratibandhii .. 50.. tasyaapi nirodhe sarvanirodhaan.h nirbiijaH samaadhiH .. 51.. vitarkavichaaraanandaasmitaaruupaanugamaat.h sampraGYaataH .. 17.. sandhi-vigraha (with modified transl.): vitarka-vicaara+aananda+asmitaa+ruupa+anugamaat samprajñaataH .. 17.. So, here P-jali enumerates the stages (or whatever) of samaadhi, which seems to be the implied headword of that longish dvandva/ tatpuruSa(or karmadhaaraya??) compound, because 'samprajñaataH' seems like a bahuvriihi (in masculine nominative singular) whose head word is omitted: vitarka-samaadhi vicaara-samaadhi aananda-samaadhi asmitaa-samaadhi ruupa-samaadhi (The last one, ruupa-samaadhi, seems to be quite rare; most editions probably don't have it??) Based on the Finnish translation by a Finnish TM teacher, Mr. Heikki Uusitupa, Lannoy and Shearer's Effortless Being (just ordered it from Amazon...) translates suutra 17 (in part) something like this: In saMprajñaata-samaadhi, there is, in addition to the settled state, mental(?) activity. The definition of samaapatti: kShiiNavR^itterabhijaatasyeva maNergrahiitR^igrahaNagraahyeShu tatsthatadaJNjanataa samaapattiH .. 41. (Sandhi-vigraha, transliteration slightly changed: kSiiNa-vRtteH; abhijaatasya+iva maNeH; grahiitR-grahaNa-graahyeSu tat-stha-tat-añjanataa samaapattiH .. 41.) Taimni's translation: In the case of one whose citta-vRttis have been almost annihilated, fusion or entire absorption in one another of the cognizer, cognition and cognized is brought about as in the case of a transparen jewel (resting on a coloured surface). Definition of savitarka-samaadhi (note that the version below has the word samaapatti at the end; that's not always the case; that's why we put it in brackets): tatra shabdaarthaGYaanavikalpaiH sa.nkiirNaa savitarkaa [samaapattiH] .. 42.. Taimni's translation (he replaces 'samaapatti' with 'samaadhi'): Savitarka-samaadhi is that in which knowledge based only on words, real knowledge and ordinary knowledge based on sense perception or reasoning are present in a mixed state and the mind alternates between them. Even without 'samaapatti' expressed, the feminine form of the adjective 'savitarkaa' tells us that the real headword is 'samaapatti' because 'samaadhi' is a masculine gender word, and thus, the adjective should be 'savitarkaH' instead of 'savitarkaa', if 'samaadhi' was the understood headword. The last suutras of samaadhi-paada of YS (heretic Taimni's translations of the most crucial suutras in the present context, LOL!): smR^itiparishuddhau svaruupashuunyevaarthamaatranirbhaasaa nirvitarkaa .. 43.. smRti-parishuddhau svaruupa-shuunya(a?)+iva+artha-maatra-nirbhaasaa nirvitarkaa .. 43. On the clarification of memory, when the mind loses its essential nature (subjectivity), as it were, and the real knowledge of the object alone shines (through the mind) nirvitarka samaadhi is attained. (N.B: the feminine form 'nirvitarkaa' -- in stead of 'nirvitarkaH' -- once again indicates that the understood headword is 'samaapatti', not 'samaadhi'...) etayaiva savichaaraa nirvichaaraa cha suukShmaviShayaa vyaakhyaataa .. 44.. etayaa+eva savicaaraa nirvicaaraa ca suukSmaviSayaa vyaakhyaataa .. 44.. By this (what has been said in the two previous suutras) samaadhis of savicaara, nirvicaara and subtler stages (I-17; [sa-/nir-] vitarka, [s-a/nir-] vicaara, **aananda, asmitaa [and ruupa]** -- card) have also been explained. suukShmaviShayatva.n chaaliN^gaparyavasaanam.h .. 45.. suukSma-viSayatvaM ca+alin.ga-paryavasaanam .. 45.. The province of samaadhi concerned with subtle objects extends up to the /alin.ga/ stage of /guNas/. taa eva sabiijaH samaadhiH .. 46.. taaH eva sabiijaH samaadhiH. They (stages corresponding to subtle objects) constitute
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'President Newt?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: Heads we win. From: seekliberation seekliberation@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'President Newt?' I would probably disagree with your cousin too. Some people in the military think the whole world revolves around them, and they forget that if we invest too much in defense we can become bankrupt in other areas of life that are just as, if not more, important. Needless to say, i'm not the most popular among my co-workers in my point of view. I guess we should expect such a reply from someone who supposedly gets his paycheck from the US military. BTW Seek, I have a cousin who is a retired Marine Colonel who also complained about military budget cuts of the Clinton administration. I countered him of course. You're being a bit tricky here by saying that the increase is only responsible for about 25% of the deficit. Maybe so but then we should also look at the ENTIRE defense budget not just the increase. Yes, we should look at the entire defense budget. Many companies who hire business consultants to evaluate their efficiency should send those consultants to the military. They would clean up a lot of the waste that goes on. If I told you about all the BullS**t that i've seen in terms of waste and fraud, you'd be a more pissed off person than you seem to be about our defense spending. Unfortunately, higher ranking officers tend to be unwelcoming to the advice of knowledgeable civilians who know how to organize and structure things effectively. Employment? So is being a hit man for the mafia. It's a paycheck too. The US should not be in the business of being the world's policemen. I agree 100% about not being the world's policemen. However, your hit man analogy is inaccurate because less than 15% of our military really fits in that category. Most of them are simple working class people who work for the government instead of WalMart. In any military in the history of the world is over 80% of that military is 'support' for the less than 20% who actually fights. About defense cuts, my role in a software company gave me visits from defense contractors (including Lockheed-Marinetta), who with the 1990s cutbacks were out to license their libraries to new markets. Remember those cutbacks helped lead to a surplus when Clinton left office. Good, we need a surplus, and the military can shrink in terms of the people that never should've been there in the first place. Most wars of empire are committed because they make someone money. We were in Iraq not to depose Saddam to destroy the country so money could be made rebuilding it after we destroyed it not to mention all the lucrative defense contracts for people like Halliburton and KBR. And we are in Afghanistan offering free health care to Afghanis while Americans die because of lack of health care here. That alone is a crime. It's all about money and not about democracy. This will take too long to explain, but in short: It's cheaper for the government to use civilian companies/contractors for the work that the military used to do for itself. KBR provided our dining facilities because it's cheaper to pay a civilian to cook for us than it is to pay someone to cook for us who we also have to train to use a weapon and issue him $30k worth of other gear (body armor, Night Vision, and ammo aren't cheap) and equipment prior to deploying. The whole 'afghan medical care' issue is more complex than you think. Army SF (green berets) realized a long time ago that you will win over an entire province a lot faster by helping the villages rather than fighting the insurgents face to face. So they developed a nationwide strategy in Afghanistan to live among villagers throughout the country and help develop and sustain those villages. By doing so, the local population turns to the side of the USA and other coalition forces. The Navy Seals and Marsoc (the unit I work with) have followed suit with this strategy. It's working and it's much less costly in terms of money and life. The Taliban are losing credibility day by day in some provinces because they provide little or no help whatsoever. All they do is kidnap young boys and force them to fight the Afghan government. The only problem I see with Afghanistan is that we're broke, and we don't have the money to fix A-stan's issues. So, IMO, we should leave before we completely default financially as a nation. Afghanistan is a very strategic country in terms of Heroin production and transportation of illegal materials. That being the case, Mafias and corrupt governments will never allow the US to be successful there. seekliberation How could we be there and not be a part of 'Mafias and corrupt
[FairfieldLife] A Personal Letter to Ravi Yogi (Dr Ravi Chivukula)
Dear Ravi, You are such a positive guy. By this I mean that with all your fooling around and shameless antics, you never show to me that, no matter how extreme you get, how far you go, that something nasty escapes from you and shows itself. That just might make you unique. To be as audacious and unafraid as you are, and yet never to express something dark and unhappy inside of you, that is a feat which needs explaining. You are, in effect, defying human nature as we know it, as history knows it. Now, if what I have said is true: that you are 'being Ravi' in this outrageous and incurable way, and in your lavish spontaneity and unabashed mocking you remain a force of intelligence, energy, and delightno matter how much you cross the line, and transgress all norms of decency and protocol (what we Westerns assume are the norms anyway)then the question comes on: *How is this possible*? How can a human being be so crazy, so playful, so insulting, so unusualseeming to exist and act inside a context which cannot be accessed by any other person on the planet (Met, ever, anyone like you, Ravi? I think notno Guru either: too bad you can't sense what an idiot your friend Rajneesh isperhaps less so now that he has sobered up)and yet still seem flesh, bone, and bloodhuman? Now if you are the Creator of the universe, this might in some sense make sensealthough I would feel the Creator was not showing all that I would wish him to be (you being him); but as it is, I doubt when you did not exist, you created yourself out of that nothingness. You clearly are not the author of your breathing, nor how you developed as a foetus in the womb, and then came out into the world as a special babyalways given the window seat on the train. Your existence precedes your essence. May I say that? So, then, the question for me becomes: what is going on here with this Ravi Yogi fellow? *How does he fit into the universe*? What should I make of him? What should be my response to him? How does the universe feel about Ravi Yogi? These are questions for which I seek answers. And I know you can't help me in this. So I am going to try something out here, Ravi. Did you listen to Sade's Your Love is King? [one of the Price videos] Because if you did, the tenderness and poignancy of that song cannot be mocked. Even if you are in the midst of one of your pirouettes of perfect nonsense and delight and rudeness, you have to be stopped by that songthe rendition by Sade on that video. Now if your context of being a yogi will not permit you to suddenly be stilled and made serious by that songdisrupting your creative and unconditioned routinethen I have, have I not, found a limitation? Now it is quite possible that you could maintain to me that you refuse under inspiration to put the breaks onexteriorlybut this does not mean that interiorly you miss the beauty and sweetness of Sade when she sings this song. Is this the case, then Ravi, that sometimes while acting externally as the divine enlightened clown of Creationwhose purpose nevertheless is quite seriouswe'll get to that in a momentyou are able, simultaneously to entertain an internal experienceparticularly in the realm of suffering, tragedy, sorrow, affection, beautywhich seemingly is at odds with the ongoing performancewhich I assume never ceases? You see, Ravi, I am looking past the actor Ravi, and trying to examine the ingredients that make up who Ravi Yogi is. Those ingredients for the time being in your enlightened state are in the service of the performance you give consistently here at FFLand from what you tell us, in the rest of your life as well. You never walk off stage, take off the make-up and the mask and return to a non-performing life. Well, I am interested in the proposition as to whether the ingredients that constitute Ravi's being, his personality, his whole person, could be rearranged in such a way that Ravi could, while still retaining his special state of consciousness, discover within himself a whole different mode of self-expression, one which would, while retaining his originality and freshness and brilliance, nevertheless result in a completely different presentation of himself. Now if your experience of Sade was not one which deprived you of the quality of appreciation that I think the rest of us more sober and controlled persons felt, then my point really becomes irrelevant, for this would mean that you already canconcealed from the rest of uscontain whatever truths and experiences that the rest of us enjoy, all the while not inhibiting your intrepid, coherent and genius goofiness. I think what I am saying, Ravi, is something quite simpleand I am asking it only as a spectator not as a critic (which I am sure you can feel in reading what I have said so far):To what extent does your enlightenment, your awakening pre-determine, or constrain you out of other possibilities of
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: aakaasha in the YF-suutra
The last sutra in the third chapter of Patanjali has to do with the refinement of the intellect or Buddhi... It has to do with descriminating Purusha from the finest buddhi or satva buddhi... The refinement of the intellect to hold a space for Purusha while cognizing the finest relative or satva buddhi, is the ground for Unity Consciousness to be established... Chapter 4 of the Yoga Sutras have to do with stablizing Unity Consciousness... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Well, samaapatti = samaadhi? vitarkavichaaraanandaasmitaaruupaanugamaat.h sampraGYaataH .. 17.. viraamapratyayaabhyaasapuurvaH sa.nskaarasheSho.anyaH .. 18.. kShiiNavR^itterabhijaatasyeva maNergrahiitR^igrahaNagraahyeShu tatsthatadaJNjanataa samaapattiH .. 41.. tatra shabdaarthaGYaanavikalpaiH sa.nkiirNaa savitarkaa samaapattiH .. 42.. smR^itiparishuddhau svaruupashuunyevaarthamaatranirbhaasaa nirvitarkaa .. 43.. etayaiva savichaaraa nirvichaaraa cha suukShmaviShayaa vyaakhyaataa .. 44.. suukShmaviShayatva.n chaaliN^gaparyavasaanam.h .. 45.. taa eva sabiijaH samaadhiH .. 46.. nirvichaaravaishaaradye.adhyaatmaprasaadaH .. 47.. R^itambharaa tatra praGYaa .. 48.. shrutaanumaanapraGYaabhyaam.h anyaviShayaa visheshhaarthatvaat.h .. 49.. tajjaH sa.nskaaro.anyasa.nskaarapratibandhii .. 50.. tasyaapi nirodhe sarvanirodhaan.h nirbiijaH samaadhiH .. 51.. vitarkavichaaraanandaasmitaaruupaanugamaat.h sampraGYaataH .. 17.. sandhi-vigraha (with modified transl.): vitarka-vicaara+aananda+asmitaa+ruupa+anugamaat samprajñaataH .. 17.. So, here P-jali enumerates the stages (or whatever) of samaadhi, which seems to be the implied headword of that longish dvandva/ tatpuruSa(or karmadhaaraya??) compound, because 'samprajñaataH' seems like a bahuvriihi (in masculine nominative singular) whose head word is omitted: vitarka-samaadhi vicaara-samaadhi aananda-samaadhi asmitaa-samaadhi ruupa-samaadhi (The last one, ruupa-samaadhi, seems to be quite rare; most editions probably don't have it??) Based on the Finnish translation by a Finnish TM teacher, Mr. Heikki Uusitupa, Lannoy and Shearer's Effortless Being (just ordered it from Amazon...) translates suutra 17 (in part) something like this: In saMprajñaata-samaadhi, there is, in addition to the settled state, mental(?) activity. The definition of samaapatti: kShiiNavR^itterabhijaatasyeva maNergrahiitR^igrahaNagraahyeShu tatsthatadaJNjanataa samaapattiH .. 41. (Sandhi-vigraha, transliteration slightly changed: kSiiNa-vRtteH; abhijaatasya+iva maNeH; grahiitR-grahaNa-graahyeSu tat-stha-tat-añjanataa samaapattiH .. 41.) Taimni's translation: In the case of one whose citta-vRttis have been almost annihilated, fusion or entire absorption in one another of the cognizer, cognition and cognized is brought about as in the case of a transparen jewel (resting on a coloured surface). Definition of savitarka-samaadhi (note that the version below has the word samaapatti at the end; that's not always the case; that's why we put it in brackets): tatra shabdaarthaGYaanavikalpaiH sa.nkiirNaa savitarkaa [samaapattiH] .. 42.. Taimni's translation (he replaces 'samaapatti' with 'samaadhi'): Savitarka-samaadhi is that in which knowledge based only on words, real knowledge and ordinary knowledge based on sense perception or reasoning are present in a mixed state and the mind alternates between them. Even without 'samaapatti' expressed, the feminine form of the adjective 'savitarkaa' tells us that the real headword is 'samaapatti' because 'samaadhi' is a masculine gender word, and thus, the adjective should be 'savitarkaH' instead of 'savitarkaa', if 'samaadhi' was the understood headword. The last suutras of samaadhi-paada of YS (heretic Taimni's translations of the most crucial suutras in the present context, LOL!): smR^itiparishuddhau svaruupashuunyevaarthamaatranirbhaasaa nirvitarkaa .. 43.. smRti-parishuddhau svaruupa-shuunya(a?)+iva+artha-maatra-nirbhaasaa nirvitarkaa .. 43. On the clarification of memory, when the mind loses its essential nature (subjectivity), as it were, and the real knowledge of the object alone shines (through the mind) nirvitarka samaadhi is attained. (N.B: the feminine form 'nirvitarkaa' -- in stead of 'nirvitarkaH' -- once again indicates that the understood headword is 'samaapatti', not 'samaadhi'...) etayaiva savichaaraa nirvichaaraa cha suukShmaviShayaa vyaakhyaataa ..
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: aakaasha in the YF-suutra?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Well, samaapatti = samaadhi? vitarkavichaaraanandaasmitaaruupaanugamaat.h sampraGYaataH .. 17.. viraamapratyayaabhyaasapuurvaH sa.nskaarasheSho.anyaH .. 18.. kShiiNavR^itterabhijaatasyeva maNergrahiitR^igrahaNagraahyeShu tatsthatadaJNjanataa samaapattiH .. 41.. tatra shabdaarthaGYaanavikalpaiH sa.nkiirNaa savitarkaa samaapattiH .. 42.. smR^itiparishuddhau svaruupashuunyevaarthamaatranirbhaasaa nirvitarkaa .. 43.. etayaiva savichaaraa nirvichaaraa cha suukShmaviShayaa vyaakhyaataa .. 44.. suukShmaviShayatva.n chaaliN^gaparyavasaanam.h .. 45.. taa eva sabiijaH samaadhiH .. 46.. nirvichaaravaishaaradye.adhyaatmaprasaadaH .. 47.. R^itambharaa tatra praGYaa .. 48.. shrutaanumaanapraGYaabhyaam.h anyaviShayaa visheshhaarthatvaat.h .. 49.. tajjaH sa.nskaaro.anyasa.nskaarapratibandhii .. 50.. tasyaapi nirodhe sarvanirodhaan.h nirbiijaH samaadhiH .. 51.. vitarkavichaaraanandaasmitaaruupaanugamaat.h sampraGYaataH .. 17.. sandhi-vigraha (with modified transl.): vitarka-vicaara+aananda+asmitaa+ruupa+anugamaat samprajñaataH .. 17.. So, here P-jali enumerates the stages (or whatever) of samaadhi, which seems to be the implied headword of that longish dvandva/ tatpuruSa(or karmadhaaraya??) compound, because 'samprajñaataH' seems like a bahuvriihi (in masculine nominative singular) whose head word is omitted: vitarka-samaadhi vicaara-samaadhi aananda-samaadhi asmitaa-samaadhi ruupa-samaadhi (The last one, ruupa-samaadhi, seems to be quite rare; most editions probably don't have it??) Based on the Finnish translation by a Finnish TM teacher, Mr. Heikki Uusitupa, Lannoy and Shearer's Effortless Being (just ordered it from Amazon...) translates suutra 17 (in part) something like this: In saMprajñaata-samaadhi, there is, in addition to the settled state, mental(?) activity. The definition of samaapatti: kShiiNavR^itterabhijaatasyeva maNergrahiitR^igrahaNagraahyeShu tatsthatadaJNjanataa samaapattiH .. 41. (Sandhi-vigraha, transliteration slightly changed: kSiiNa-vRtteH; abhijaatasya+iva maNeH; grahiitR-grahaNa-graahyeSu tat-stha-tat-añjanataa samaapattiH .. 41.) Taimni's translation: In the case of one whose citta-vRttis have been almost annihilated, fusion or entire absorption in one another of the cognizer, cognition and cognized is brought about as in the case of a transparen jewel (resting on a coloured surface). Definition of savitarka-samaadhi (note that the version below has the word samaapatti at the end; that's not always the case; that's why we put it in brackets): tatra shabdaarthaGYaanavikalpaiH sa.nkiirNaa savitarkaa [samaapattiH] .. 42.. Taimni's translation (he replaces 'samaapatti' with 'samaadhi'): Savitarka-samaadhi is that in which knowledge based only on words, real knowledge and ordinary knowledge based on sense perception or reasoning are present in a mixed state and the mind alternates between them. Even without 'samaapatti' expressed, the feminine form of the adjective 'savitarkaa' tells us that the real headword is 'samaapatti' because 'samaadhi' is a masculine gender word, and thus, the adjective should be 'savitarkaH' instead of 'savitarkaa', if 'samaadhi' was the understood headword. The last suutras of samaadhi-paada of YS (heretic Taimni's translations of the most crucial suutras in the present context, LOL!): smR^itiparishuddhau svaruupashuunyevaarthamaatranirbhaasaa nirvitarkaa .. 43.. smRti-parishuddhau svaruupa-shuunya(a?)+iva+artha-maatra-nirbhaasaa nirvitarkaa .. 43. On the clarification of memory, when the mind loses its essential nature (subjectivity), as it were, and the real knowledge of the object alone shines (through the mind) nirvitarka samaadhi is attained. (N.B: the feminine form 'nirvitarkaa' -- in stead of 'nirvitarkaH' -- once again indicates that the understood headword is 'samaapatti', not 'samaadhi'...) etayaiva savichaaraa nirvichaaraa cha suukShmaviShayaa vyaakhyaataa .. 44.. etayaa+eva savicaaraa nirvicaaraa ca suukSmaviSayaa vyaakhyaataa .. 44.. By this (what has been said in the two previous suutras) samaadhis of savicaara, nirvicaara and subtler stages (I-17; [sa-/nir-] vitarka, [s-a/nir-] vicaara, **aananda, asmitaa [and ruupa]** -- card) have also been explained. suukShmaviShayatva.n chaaliN^gaparyavasaanam.h .. 45.. suukSma-viSayatvaM ca+alin.ga-paryavasaanam .. 45.. The province of
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Re: [FairfieldLife] A Personal Letter to Ravi Yogi (Dr Ravi Chivukula)
Dear Robin, I was for some strange reason expecting an email from you, don't ask me why :-). I'm up and that should explain it. Well let's skip over Rajneesh since he is not alive and my loving him doesn't result in any comparisons with him since I understand his expression is limited by his personality and not everyone will like him and has to like him. He is one among the many expressions of the divine. I will also have similar problems because the expression will be filtered through my personality, some will love it, some will get disgusted by it and I realize that my audience, considering it somehow manifests, will actually be not too big. I guess you must have clearly deduced the audience and the market I am targeting. My special-ness in my childhood was all my mom's and obviously I neither expected nor cared for it. That she could be so ordinary, so screwed up in her marital life, yet have this stubborn, illogical, irrational notion that her younger son Ravi was somehow special and she somehow had the cooperation of her older children as well. I was too blissed out when I was young. The reason I mentioned always getting the window seat on my batgap interview was that as soon as my enlightenment hit, I felt like the 3 year old sitting on the moving train blissed out as I rode the train to work and all my memories flooded back. Plus prior to my enlightenment I would suffer, questioning myself at my inability to just let go and demanding, challenging myself to simply be, like when I was 3 - which only made it more tougher. You already know my views on creator and creation, that I am the creator enjoying my creation through the filter of the personality known as Ravi, through Robin and through all others. Yet I'm a part of my creation and have to follow the rules that I set into motion. This drama all ends at dissolution somehow, or may be never ends, who cares, just like the dreamer who constructs his dreams and also stars in it including himself. The dreamer may wake up or he may just continue. Now coming to the most important part of the question. Am I only this cosmic showman, as Bob said, mocking irreverently at my own creation somehow challenging others to see what I see myself? The answer is a BIG NO. This side of myself comes out predominantly on FFL and with people I love, in a restrained form with others depending on the energy and the receptivity of the person I'm interacting with. This manic, extroverted side seems to only come out as I interact with others, say personally or on FFL. Personally is much better as the energy is more apparent to others, that was indeed the reason for making those videos since I was on a phone with a dear woman friend of mine and I wondered how interesting it would be if people on FFL could see that my emails are not products of what they judge as anger, being defensive. If you could spend a day with me you would see that I go to bed as an ordinary man, albeit very late, stretching my day as long as possible till my body is tired or the clock indicates 2:30 am. I alternate in dream, deep sleep, ignorant state, as soon as I wake up I immediately recall myself, the mind, intellect starts running yet I witness all of it. I make a mad rush to work so I don't miss the 9:45 am meeting, if I'm late I hope I don't get noticed by the manager :-). I spend my work in anonymity (of my enlightenment by others), others appreciate my experience, my value, I might spend time on my iPhone with all FFL emails, Facebook. I do smile, greet, talk a lot to the greeters downstairs - this being a high profile building. On some days I am very high as soon as I start my day, on other days it slowly builds and surely by afternoon I'm high and then it starts getting harder to work, much more so in the last month say. And then I start getting more extroverted, smile and laugh more. I drive for a couple of hours listening to my music, getting into a deep sorrowful melancholy or a crazy blissful laughing high. You might see me spending my evening talking to friends, my family, my older kid, getting irritated at my ex when she calls rarely :-), cribbing about the amount of money I have to pay every month, complain about my ex or her treatment of kids. Or discuss mundane events or listen to purely mundane stuff. Then I laugh as people think I'm somehow attached to all my drama, the samsaara, the relative, the accidental. As I complain, talk about mundane events I also remind them that I'm utterly relaxed and detached. But lot of them have hard time believing that I'm indeed detached :-), because I'm pretty serious when indulging in the relative, mundane. Last Friday I attended my Guru's event and the next night with one of my friends, who is just 28 and enjoying life, visited a night club and a gentleman's club as well. Though I watched the ladies and I politely declined all of their lap dance offers with small
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'President Newt?'
How could we be there and not be a part of 'Mafias and corrupt governments, and using this money to fund secret operations; By counteracting the efforts to produce and deliver the heroin that is shipped in and out of Afghanistan. There are government agencies that have been involved in the eradication of the plants that produce the heroin for the last 10 years. Now, does this mean there is nobody in the US government helping the 'mafias and corrupt governments'? Not necessarily. But, IMO, the whole purpose of staying in Afghanistan is not for financial gain for the 1%. The only people getting any money from that war are those who own contract companies that work there. There aren't any oil pipelines there, and the country doesn't produce anything of value for us to profit from. We're there more so to save face to our nation and to the world for getting involved there in the first place. The military is engaged mostly to protect the interest of the 1%, people like Bush and his buds, and Cheney and a lot of other people who make millions manufacturing weapons of death and destruction, in a self propetuating circle of creating more problems than they solve... Then what was Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Lyndon Johnson's or John F. Kennedy's motives? For some reason people like to point to republicans when it comes to wars. Remember, WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam were all under democratic administrations in the white house. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama had a lot more going on than Bush, Bush II, or Reagan; You just didn't hear about much of it. Does Bill Clinton and Barack Obama profit from all the conflicts they got involved with too? What did JFK and Johnson get from Vietnam? Pretty much nothing but unpopularity and ridicule, for the most part. I'm not saying these wars were justified, i'm just saying there's a lot more that goes into involvement with other countries than profit. There has to be a better way, come hell or high water! Well, my POV is that we need to drill for our own oil here and quit doing business with the middle east, bring our bases back home and quit spending trillions to keep people overseas as the world's police. Our military should shrink to a size able to defend our homeland, and that's it. Is that a better way? seekliberation
[FairfieldLife] Joseph Gordon-Levitt's hitRECord.org
I'm a big Joseph Gordon-Levitt fan. I liked his work on Third Rock From The Sun, and I've enjoyed many of his movies since, especially Brick and Lookout, and Killshot and (500) Days Of Summer. He's about to go big in The Dark Knight Rises and Lincoln. I've always had a feeling (based on his role choices) that he is probably a pretty neat guy. This interview clinches the deal as far as I can tell. He's set up a for-profit (*participants'* profit, not necessarily his) alternative to YouTube and other sites whereby writers, musicians, animators, and more can work in a collaborative social-network-like environment to have fun, hone their craft, and possibly even make a little money from the whole deal. It might be of interest to some folks here. Watch his video introduction to the site at the link below, or read the Salon interview that follows. http://www.hitrecord.org/ http://www.hitrecord.org/ Famous face behind a tiny project http://www.salon.com/2011/12/03/famous_face_behind_a_tiny_project/singl\ etonIn a Salon exclusive, the actor discusses his art-based social network, its new book and the inspiration of Occupy [Joseph Gordon-Levitt] What began as a personal project an online screening room where actor Joseph Gordon-Levitt could share the fruits of his creative labors with the public has, over the past few years, morphed into an impressive, interactive online salon. HitRECord.org http://www.hitrecord.org/ , where tens of thousands of contributors now bring their original music, text, illustrations and footage, lets people really share their work not in the YouTube sense of simply posting something and hoping for an enthusiastic response, but in the true spirit of collaboration. Work posted to the site is regularly adapted or remixed by other users. Next week, a new book from HarperCollins The Tiny Book of Tiny Stories http://www.hitrecord.org/records/569295 collects some of the best pieces. When he's not working on a movie (you know, small films like The Dark Knight Rises and Lincoln), the actor still posts material to the site himself including several hours of raw footage http://www.hitrecord.org/records/569295 from his visit to Occupy Wall Street on the mid-November night when protesters were evicted from Zuccotti Park. Over the phone, Gordon-Levitt talked to Salon about the origins of hitRECord, the joys of editing and his high hopes for an OWS-inspired project in the near future. Can you talk a little bit about the inspiration for hitRECord how it started, and whether you ever expected it to grow into what it is now? Well, it started a long time ago, and no when it started, I really, to be honest, did not expect it to become what it has. It started as my own kind of moniker for my own self-expression, when I was making little videos and doing bits of writing and music and just kind of acknowledging to myself, when I was in my early 20s, that as much as I really loved being an actor, that wasn't all I wanted to do. HitRECord was this web site where I would put up these little things that I made, and over the years this community sprouted up around it. After a while, I sort of said, why not rather than all these people just talking about the things that I've made, what if we started making things together? And it actually started going really well and so it very, very gradually and organically grew, and then at the top of 2010, we started it as a professional production company. And we've been going strong since. In a 2007 interview with Salon's Andrew O'Hehir http://www.salon.com/2007/03/28/gordon_levitt_2/singleton/ , you called hitRECord an alternative outlet where you could be a little less professional and just freak out a little bit. Is it less of that now that it's a bigger project? Can you still relax as much? That's really a very interesting question. That's hilarious! Back in 2007, not a lot of reporters were asking me about hitRECord. But you're 100 percent right, actually. In 2007, it was very informal. And now it has become quite a bit more professional. Personally, I enjoy that. If I'm hanging out with my friends and we're just making something for fun, I'm the guy who's like, It's not done! Put your drink down! We have to finish this! I don't know if it's because I'm a workaholic, or just because that's what gets me off making something good but the fact that hitRECord is more professional hasn't really changed any of its [appeal]. I'm still doing it for the same reasons; it's not like now it's a subdivision of some larger corporation and I have bosses that I have to answer to or anything like that. It's still what I love to do, the things I love to make it's just that now I'm doing it on a much grander scale, with a lot more people. You posted some videos from Occupy Wall Street a couple of weeks ago; in some of the footage, you were interviewing people you met on the
[FairfieldLife] Is it too early for a Christmas story ?
I think not ! http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2011/12/04/a-story-of-friendship/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
No Feste, that was not the point of what I was saying. But thanks for asking. :-) On Dec 3, 2011, at 10:52 PM, feste37 fest...@yahoo.com wrote: So you're saying that TM causes people to be afraid to go outside or to be in public? Gosh, I never knew that, and I was in the movement for decades! Thanks, Vaj! Useful information to have.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
shukra69: this is a desperate crazy person kind of drive-by slander on your part isn't it Vag? Vaj: I feel that all recent information relating to the TMO's dark side would be relevant, esp. material that relates to the traditional problems meditation can cause - and the hope for relief for people suffering... So, you need Dana Sawyer, who never even tried TM, to explain to you TM? You're supposed to be the spiritual teacher! You're thinking Dana Sawyer knows anything about the TM or the TMO? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Rare video of Robin and Ravi on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV1ccge6Jcs
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Archetypes and Dreams'...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: 'Reincarnation Stories' can be far-fetched, but sometimes for me I can get a sense of a Theme, historically and conceptionally of how things unfold, on a human level... Sometimes, I get annoyed by how some people treat the person of Jesus as well as the person of Maharishi, as they are some kind of unfailable god... And, they lose sight of the true character of these actors on the world stage, that had such an effect on human consciousness, that some lose site of their humaness... j.g.d. Maharishi always gave me the impresssion that he disliked adoration of any kind. Respect because he represented Guru Dev, certainly. But personal adoration, not at all. I'm a normal human being -Maharishi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
On Dec 4, 2011, at 9:33 AM, richardatrwilliamsdotus wrote: So, you need Dana Sawyer, who never even tried TM, to explain to you TM? You're supposed to be the spiritual teacher! You're thinking Dana Sawyer knows anything about the TM or the TMO? Go figure. Prof. Sawyer was expelled from the TMO for daring to explore other meditation methods.
[FairfieldLife] #5# Think About It... Have we Fear? From What?
Think About It... Have we Fear? From What? Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me (Psalms 23:4). When the Lord is in us, we have no fear. He protect us! Did you already think in this? PauloBarbosa tprob...@terra.com.br
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Salome'...
FROM: * Robert http://36ohk6dgmcd1n.yom.mail.yahoo.net/om/api/1.0/openmail.app.invoke/\ 36ohk6dgmcd1n/9/1.0.35/in/en-IN/view.html# TO: * FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com http://36ohk6dgmcd1n.yom.mail.yahoo.net/om/api/1.0/openmail.app.invoke/\ 36ohk6dgmcd1n/9/1.0.35/in/en-IN/view.html# Message flagged http://36ohk6dgmcd1n.yom.mail.yahoo.net/om/api/1.0/openmail.app.invoke/\ 36ohk6dgmcd1n/9/1.0.35/in/en-IN/view.html# Sunday, 4 December 2011 1:29 AMMessage Body This comes from many years of investigation into past lives... Much as is believed in many parts of the world, like the Dalai Lama being the 14th reincarnation, these souls and all souls play their respective parts in all the lifetimes... My sole purpose here, is to get you to think outside the boundaries, and perhaps remember something of your own past history. It is just offered here as 'food for thought'... By saying that the pundits don't talk about such things is because they are not focused on such matters... That doesn't mean that knowledge can't come from more than one place. Being closed minded in that way, is like being a fundementalist 'christian' or someone from the Reich, saying... Well, der Fuerer didn't say we could think such thoughts, so we better write them off as coming from the 'Jew' or the 'Dirty Pot Smoking Hippie'.. That's what we're up against now, this totally judgemental attitude, that only seeks to negate anything beyond it's egoic point of view.. Sad. Baba Sai Baba, I couldn't respond to your post because I could not find it. lol So I cut and pasted the above and highlighted it as your response to mine. Reincarnation, as I am sure the energy flows on and on, this type of thinking that one person was someone else or another in a past life, only clearly brings about belief in believers that there is a cosmic caste system. If for I was to say, my family are nobles from the past (which all people are nobles from the past and present, we have not all recognized this yet as this is my belief, Raja Baba. : ) ) To think the mass communication realms are what makes one to be somebody is preposterous. Please give the details who Justin Bieber is, or who paid the way for a few to gain in recognition (the advertising is production to make things visible for people to buy something.) from the arts? Mass media, and even the Bible had been hammered into print and forced upon millions of people, for thousands of years. So if the Spanish Conquistadors have smashed the villages of indigenous people of what is known as South America, Mexico, all for the nature of Gold to bring back to the Queen and then forcibly killing the men, and raping the women to breathe the breath of Christ, as each Royal family in Europe is said to have connections of being ordained by a priestly caste who hold the bible to their honor of blood and intermarriage. Let us not forget the Queen of England and all the land that has been Commonwealth around the globe of brown people, those savages, you know, ;). Fairy tales and stories are all capable of leading amass of unenlightened souls to their slavery. Along with a few prisons, unjust wars, etc. What you are suggesting as others I have heard the same is very dangerous thinking to see the Maharishi (and I mean no disrespect to him or his teachings) and the Beatles (and no disrespect to them or their likes or talent) as incarnate of a past mass forced to many worshiped a following of Christianity, I see no difference in a few goofballs trying to run with this belief and making the TMO, the Maharishi and the Beatles synonymous, for future generations to enjoy this story that will be twisted and turned into a RELIGION, if we are not careful to watching this manifest fable, as all manifestation of beliefs needs people who follow an idol. Idol worship is what is being created by this belief. The pot smoking derogatory comment was only meant to state the mind is not clear in judgement as even the Maharishi has stated when one learns TM, for clearness of mind, not to do any drugs within 10 days of instruction and better yet, do none. The media is a drug, in the minds of followers. I speak with truth about this subject and this whole reincarnation thing may have been practiced by people searching for a Dalai Lama, etc., note the reason why China has taken over Tibet. Invincibility is not, unless one's attention is structured in consciousness. If ABC news says it is so, do you believe it? If the New York Times says it is true, do you believe it? These are only examples of what information is carried to create a belief. The royal families (Those that hold their reigns based on a churches standing by their side) Example and no disrepect meant for: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois,_Hereditary_Prince_of_Liechtenstein http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois,_Hereditary_Prince_of_Liechtenstein in the world who hold a battle with corporations for power and money and little minds, because they
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
But it was part of what you said. (See below. I've restored your words that you deleted.) Do you really mean that TM causes people to be afraid to go outside? Because that's what you said. If indeed there are any examples I suspect your reasoning goes like this: person has psychological problems; person also does TM, therefore the problems are caused by TM. But I doubt whether that is valid. I think it would be more accurate to say that in such instances, TM proved to be no help in addressing the problem. I can accept that, because TM is not a cure-all, but I don't think it makes people (to use your example) afraid to go outside. Such allegations, it seems to me, are just part of your long vendetta against TM and the TM movement, in which anything will do, whether accurate or not. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: No Feste, that was not the point of what I was saying. But thanks for asking. :-) On Dec 3, 2011, at 10:52 PM, feste37 feste37@... wrote: So you're saying that TM causes people to be afraid to go outside or to be in public? Gosh, I never knew that, and I was in the movement for decades! Thanks, Vaj! Useful information to have. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: I feel that all recent information relating to the TMO's dark side would be relevant, esp. material that relates to the traditional problems meditation can cause - and the hope for relief for people suffering. You might see the still on-going PR of the TMO as more evidence of the success of the org. But I cannot ignore that this same org has more psychosis, suicide and meditational disorders than any meditation org I'm aware of. I regularly talk to people who will mention problems as simple as having to alter their life because they're afraid to go outside or in public. My heart goes out to these folks. So if a book is coming out on the TMO, I would hope there'd be some room for outreach.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
So, you need Dana Sawyer, who never even tried TM, to explain to you TM? You're supposed to be the spiritual teacher! You're thinking Dana Sawyer knows anything about the TM or the TMO? Go figure. Vaj: Prof. Sawyer was expelled from the TMO for daring to explore other meditation methods. From what I've read, Dana Sawyer is not a graduate of M.U.M., and his name does not appear on the TMO list of approved teachers or lecturers. Sawyer apparently never met MMY or SBS and has had no contact with Raja Ram in Fairfield. He's never tried TM and he does not know where the TM bija mantras come from - apparently he's never even heard of the Sri Vidya cult that SBS was a member of. Go figure. Sri Vidya: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/srividya.htm Subject: Scholar-Meditator disputes Willytex Author: Vaj Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: September 14, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/27mpa7j
[FairfieldLife] Re: IT'S NOW OFFICIAL WE LIVE IN A POLICE STATE LIKE NAZI GERMANY
johnlasher: What if someone said YOU were connected to terrorism, no trial just their accusation off you go. It's OK for you as long as it doesn't happen to you. Total self centeredness. So, you'd opt for a public trial in downtown New York City for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and a jury trial with Eric Holder as the lead prosecutor? Would the trial be televised? You're thinking the mastermind of 9/11 could get a fair trial in New York City? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Sheikh_Mohammed You're also apparently thinking that President Obama is guilty of 'murdering' Anwar al-Awlaki! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki Nobody that I know around here wants a trial for somebody like Osam bin Laden in their back yard! Attorney General Eric Holder ordered the trial of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four others in a federal criminal court in Manhattan, New York! Can you believe that!!! The question is should 9/11 suspects be tried in NY courts, as ordered by US AG Eric Holder or have military trials at Gitmo?
[FairfieldLife] Re: It Came From Dementia
Hot Damn! I better pull out the duct tape to hoist up my family jewels and trim the side burns, where is the Neet, slip, skirt, garter belt and place a scarf around my adam's apple, I mean my throat and say with a soft voice, Ooow, this is getting exciting! ; ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Yeah Barry, stay away from Obba. Raunchy just dumped me - she's all yours. From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, December 4, 2011 1:16:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It Came From Dementia From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, December 4, 2011 12:00:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: It Came From Dementia Clearly, I failed to reserve a talking crazy head in the painting below for Robert/Babaji. Maybe he's the green/pink tentacled thing from which the blessings of all dementia flow. Or the elephant. :-) One thing I have to say for outbursts of insanity like yesterday's is that they make the end of the posting week much more pleasant by comparison. At this rate all of the crazies will have posted out by Monday and then the rest of us can talk. You wish Barry !!! I devised a devious plan with the help of Vedic gods to make sure the crazy Robin doesn't make a single post till I post out, so you still have to deal with him, good luck :-). I feel you have a crush on Obba and you are trying to steal her away from me. I don't really appreciate that, you have been warned my friend.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Personal Letter to Ravi Yogi (Dr Ravi Chivukula)
Yo, It's the Shankaracharya of North America. From: maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Personal Letter to Ravi Yogi (Dr Ravi Chivukula) Dear Ravi, You are such a positive guy. By this I mean that with all your fooling around and shameless antics, you never show to me that, no matter how extreme you get, how far you go, that something nasty escapes from you and shows itself. That just might make you unique. To be as audacious and unafraid as you are, and yet never to express something dark and unhappy inside of you, that is a feat which needs explaining. You are, in effect, defying human nature as we know it, as history knows it. Now, if what I have said is true: that you are 'being Ravi' in this outrageous and incurable way, and in your lavish spontaneity and unabashed mocking you remain a force of intelligence, energy, and delight—no matter how much you cross the line, and transgress all norms of decency and protocol (what we Westerns assume are the norms anyway)—then the question comes on: *How is this possible*? How can a human being be so crazy, so playful, so insulting, so unusual—seeming to exist and act inside a context which cannot be accessed by any other person on the planet (Met, ever, anyone like you, Ravi? I think not—no Guru either: too bad you can't sense what an idiot your friend Rajneesh is—perhaps less so now that he has sobered up)—and yet still seem flesh, bone, and blood—human? Now if you are the Creator of the universe, this might in some sense make sense—although I would feel the Creator was not showing all that I would wish him to be (you being him); but as it is, I doubt when you did not exist, you created yourself out of that nothingness. You clearly are not the author of your breathing, nor how you developed as a foetus in the womb, and then came out into the world as a special baby—always given the window seat on the train. Your existence precedes your essence. May I say that? So, then, the question for me becomes: what is going on here with this Ravi Yogi fellow? *How does he fit into the universe*? What should I make of him? What should be my response to him? How does the universe feel about Ravi Yogi? These are questions for which I seek answers. And I know you can't help me in this. So I am going to try something out here, Ravi. Did you listen to Sade's Your Love is King? [one of the Price videos] Because if you did, the tenderness and poignancy of that song cannot be mocked. Even if you are in the midst of one of your pirouettes of perfect nonsense and delight and rudeness, you have to be stopped by that song—the rendition by Sade on that video. Now if your context of being a yogi will not permit you to suddenly be stilled and made serious by that song—disrupting your creative and unconditioned routine—then I have, have I not, found a limitation? Now it is quite possible that you could maintain to me that you refuse under inspiration to put the breaks on—exteriorly—but this does not mean that interiorly you miss the beauty and sweetness of Sade when she sings this song. Is this the case, then Ravi, that sometimes while acting externally as the divine enlightened clown of Creation—whose purpose nevertheless is quite serious—we'll get to that in a moment—you are able, simultaneously to entertain an internal experience—particularly in the realm of suffering, tragedy, sorrow, affection, beauty—which seemingly is at odds with the ongoing performance—which I assume never ceases? You see, Ravi, I am looking past the actor Ravi, and trying to examine the ingredients that make up who Ravi Yogi is. Those ingredients for the time being in your enlightened state are in the service of the performance you give consistently here at FFL—and from what you tell us, in the rest of your life as well. You never walk off stage, take off the make-up and the mask and return to a non-performing life. Well, I am interested in the proposition as to whether the ingredients that constitute Ravi's being, his personality, his whole person, could be rearranged in such a way that Ravi could, while still retaining his special state of consciousness, discover within himself a whole different mode of self-expression, one which would, while retaining his originality and freshness and brilliance, nevertheless result in a completely different presentation of himself. Now if your experience of Sade was not one which deprived you of the quality of appreciation that I think the rest of us more sober and controlled persons felt, then my point really becomes irrelevant, for this would mean that you already can—concealed from the rest of us—contain whatever truths and experiences that the rest of us enjoy, all the while not inhibiting your intrepid,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... wrote: So, you need Dana Sawyer, who never even tried TM, to explain to you TM? You're supposed to be the spiritual teacher! You're thinking Dana Sawyer knows anything about the TM or the TMO? Go figure. Vaj: Prof. Sawyer was expelled from the TMO for daring to explore other meditation methods. From what I've read, Dana Sawyer is not a graduate of M.U.M., and his name does not appear on the TMO list of approved teachers or lecturers The names of teachers who have left the TMO generally do not appear on such lists. (Not sure Sawyer was a teacher, but that's irrelevant anyway.) . Sawyer apparently never met MMY or SBS and has had no contact with Raja Ram in Fairfield. He's never tried TM Rick initiated Sawyer in the early '70s. Don't know how long he stayed with it before he split, but TM apparently got him started on both his spiritual and professional paths.
[FairfieldLife] Re: IT'S NOW OFFICIAL WE LIVE IN A POLICE STATE LIKE NAZI GERMANY
Jason: Should this suffice? Get a grip, Jason! You're thinking Senator Levin and 61 elected U.S. leaders, including sixteen Democrats are worse than Nazis? What happened to the new, less inflammotory rhetoric in politics? Sounds like you've got lots of our elected leaders in your crosshairs! Maybe it would be better to save your Nazi-talk for our real enemies. You're not making any sense. Tuesday's 61-37 vote to buck Mr. Obama and grant the military dibs exposed a deep rift within the Democratic Party. Sixteen Democrats and one independent who caucuses with them defied the veto threat and joined 44 Republicans. 'Senate defies Obama veto threat in terrorist custody vote' By Stephen Dinan The Washington Times, Tuesday, November 29, 2011 http://tinyurl.com/cnjkstd http://tinyurl.com/cnjkstd
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shring? Buddhist and Hindu mantras.
emptybill: I already addressed this in a post about the primal bijas of Rig-Veda, all pointed out by Brahmarshi Daivarata. You keep avoiding the question: Where do the TM bija mantras come from? If you don't know, just admit it. If you read them in a book, say so. But, at least try to provide a rational and logical explanation. Were the TM bija mantras 'seen' by rishis millions of years ago, who then 'came out of India' to reveal all human languages to the rest of the world; or were they made up by MMY, or did MMY get the bija mantras from SBS? Read more: Subject: A.I.T. (Aryan Invasion Theory) Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: July 30, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/7mexjlt Subject: The Indus Valley and Beyond Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: April 10, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/7d2tx2r
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi was smarter than Rick Perry
turquoiseb: Maharishi managed to sell positions of influence and power for the same price, but in an *imaginary* country. Now *that* is hucksterism. Apparently the two most influential teachers in your whole life were 'hucksters'? So, what does that make you? LoL! http://www.zenmasterrama.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
Prof. Sawyer was expelled from the TMO for daring to explore other meditation methods. From what I've read, Dana Sawyer is not a graduate of M.U.M., and his name does not appear on the TMO list of approved teachers or lecturers... authfriend: The names of teachers who have left the TMO generally do not appear on such lists. (Not sure Sawyer was a teacher, but that's irrelevant anyway.) Well, I would think someone has to be some sort of TMO insider, in order to write a good report on the 'TMO'. Sawyer apparently never met MMY or SBS and has had no contact with Raja Ram in Fairfield. He's never tried TM Rick initiated Sawyer in the early '70s. Don't know how long he stayed with it before he split, but TM apparently got him started on both his spiritual and professional paths. Maybe so, but he's not claiming any TMO status now, or in the past or even admitting he once tried TM. Maybe Rick could clear this up. Did Dana Sawyer get expelled from the TMO? How, exactly, does one get 'expelled' from practicing a common form of yoga meditation? Dana Sawyer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Sawyer
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rare video of Robin and Ravi on YouTube
LOL! Naked Guy gives whole new meaning to self-referral. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV1ccge6Jcs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... wrote: snip [Vaj wrote:] Prof. Sawyer was expelled from the TMO for daring to explore other meditation methods. From what I've read, Dana Sawyer is not a graduate of M.U.M., and his name does not appear on the TMO list of approved teachers or lecturers... authfriend: The names of teachers who have left the TMO generally do not appear on such lists. (Not sure Sawyer was a teacher, but that's irrelevant anyway.) Well, I would think someone has to be some sort of TMO insider, in order to write a good report on the 'TMO'. I'm in the middle of watching Rick's Batgap interview with Sawyer, and in connection with the issue of how to stay engaged when one is doing routine work, Sawyer just mentioned having to memorize the checking notes. So he was enough of an insider either to have been a TM teacher or to have taken checker training. Sawyer apparently never met MMY or SBS and has had no contact with Raja Ram in Fairfield. He's never tried TM Rick initiated Sawyer in the early '70s. Don't know how long he stayed with it before he split, but TM apparently got him started on both his spiritual and professional paths. Maybe so, but he's not claiming any TMO status now, or in the past or even admitting he once tried TM. See above. Obviously he used to practice TM, since Rick initiated him, and that's how Rick introduced him at the beginning of the Batgap interview. So far the discussion hasn't focused on TM, but it's come up several times. You need to watch the interview before you make any more dumb comments about Sawyer. Maybe Rick could clear this up. Did Dana Sawyer get expelled from the TMO? How, exactly, does one get 'expelled' from practicing a common form of yoga meditation? Expelled is Vaj's formulation. If Sawyer was a TM teacher, and he branched out into other forms of practice, he wouldn't have been allowed to teach under TM auspices or represent the TMO, as you know. Dana Sawyer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Sawyer http://batgap.com/dana-sawyer/
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
Hey, obba, you and I seem to have similar tastes in male beauty. Have a look at this--it's an interview with Dana Sawyer (a former TMer turned TM critic) on Rick's Buddha at the Gas Pump series: http://batgap.com/dana-sawyer/ Oy. Great smile, very engaging and articulate. Love the broken nose. Whew, and *smart*. I shouldn't characterize him just as a TM critic; he's very learned and experienced in the field of spirituality, especially Eastern spirituality. Impressive dude. Also luscious. ;-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4yYmq49HTE : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: http://vimeo.com/4143597 Hot man. Sí! I've had a crush on him for many years. OXOXOXOXO Let's invite him over for dinner! : ) At the age of 83, he may be a little tough and stringy. Still delicious, though, I'm sure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] CARRIER IQ - HIDDEN SPY APP ON CELL PHONE
On 12/03/2011 10:04 PM, raunchydog wrote: http://youtu.be/3-i_Egm1RAs Carrier IQ is not on any of my Android devices. Probably because the phone is too old. Yup, two years old but that's ancient to many tech crazies that can't stand to have anything but the latest and greatest. To them two months old is dated. :-D The two tablets don't have it because they aren't tied into a carrier. But this is what happens when you let fat headed C students cum businessmen run the show. They'll do whatever they can get away with in the U$A. After all isn't life all about money?
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
Judy, control yourself. You of all people know we are communicating on a very open message board. Only out of reach, fantasy people we can comment on who has male beauty. This is too close to a circle of peeps of people who know peeps, to give an honest observational opinion. Interesting man specimen. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Hey, obba, you and I seem to have similar tastes in male beauty. Have a look at this--it's an interview with Dana Sawyer (a former TMer turned TM critic) on Rick's Buddha at the Gas Pump series: http://batgap.com/dana-sawyer/ Oy. Great smile, very engaging and articulate. Love the broken nose. Whew, and *smart*. I shouldn't characterize him just as a TM critic; he's very learned and experienced in the field of spirituality, especially Eastern spirituality. Impressive dude. Also luscious. ;-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4yYmq49HTE : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: http://vimeo.com/4143597 Hot man. Sí! I've had a crush on him for many years. OXOXOXOXO Let's invite him over for dinner! : ) At the age of 83, he may be a little tough and stringy. Still delicious, though, I'm sure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
He has a wife and kids. As he should. End of story. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Judy, control yourself. You of all people know we are communicating on a very open message board. Only out of reach, fantasy people we can comment on who has male beauty. This is too close to a circle of peeps of people who know peeps, to give an honest observational opinion. Interesting man specimen. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Hey, obba, you and I seem to have similar tastes in male beauty. Have a look at this--it's an interview with Dana Sawyer (a former TMer turned TM critic) on Rick's Buddha at the Gas Pump series: http://batgap.com/dana-sawyer/ Oy. Great smile, very engaging and articulate. Love the broken nose. Whew, and *smart*. I shouldn't characterize him just as a TM critic; he's very learned and experienced in the field of spirituality, especially Eastern spirituality. Impressive dude. Also luscious. ;-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4yYmq49HTE : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: http://vimeo.com/4143597 Hot man. Sí! I've had a crush on him for many years. OXOXOXOXO Let's invite him over for dinner! : ) At the age of 83, he may be a little tough and stringy. Still delicious, though, I'm sure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
On Dec 4, 2011, at 10:30 AM, feste37 wrote: But it was part of what you said. (See below. I've restored your words that you deleted.) Here's what I said: I regularly talk to people who will mention problems as simple as having to alter their life because they're afraid to go outside or in public. Do you really mean that TM causes people to be afraid to go outside? Let me clarify what I said, since you're not getting it. I regularly talk to people On a consistent basis I'm talking to persons who have problems (plural)... as simple as having to alter their life because they're afraid to go outside or in public. ...to give a singular example, some might develop agoraphobic-type issues. To give further examples, some might develop hypersensitivties about being around other people. There are a large number of variations like this, it's not just limited to being in public. Because that's what you said. If indeed there are any examples I suspect your reasoning goes like this: person has psychological problems; person also does TM, therefore the problems are caused by TM. But I doubt whether that is valid. I'm relying on their perceptions and the conclusions they're drawing, not my own. They often associate these issues with extensive rounding, or (more rarely) the TMSP. Just as an aside, I loved rounding, it was one of my favorite TM activities. I'm not sure if I had any negative side effects, it seemed to have a relatively positive effect for may (often sensations of mental bliss). I think it would be more accurate to say that in such instances, TM proved to be no help in addressing the problem. These all occurred after long rounding, etc., so that is what they're associating it with. I can accept that, because TM is not a cure-all, but I don't think it makes people (to use your example) afraid to go outside. Such allegations, it seems to me, are just part of your long vendetta against TM and the TM movement, in which anything will do, whether accurate or not. When you talk to people who've helped in the recovery of such persons, they can site hundreds, even thousands of such instances. I should also point out a similar trend I've seen in the last ten years is also among people coming from the many Hindu kundalini paths that have sprung up. they're having similar problems or even more severe problems. Suffice to say, many of these types of disorders are well known in Ayurvedic and Tibetan medical literature.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shring? Buddhist and Hindu mantras.
Spencer Wells and his team spent four years gathering DNA information from 350,000 people of diverse backgrounds. Excellent documentary in National Geographic, narrated by actor Kevin Bacon, that puts Texan geneticist, Dr. Spencer Wells, front and center. The Harvard-educated scientist explains to us all the roads mankind took out of Africa, reveals our common ancestral birthplace and what our DNA and genetic markers reveal of our ancient ancestors' paths; all unique migrations that saw some of the earliest descendants of Mitochondrial Eve, our common African Über-Great Grandmother, head North, East, and West. Dr. Spencer Wells fascination with the past has led the scientist, author, and documentary filmmaker to the farthest reaches of the globe in search of human populations who hold the history of humankind in their DNA. By studying humankind's family tree he hopes to close the gaps in our knowledge of human migration. A National Geographic Explorer-in-Residence, Wells is spearheading the Genographic Project, calling it a dream come true. His hope is that the project, which builds on Wells's earlier work (featured in his book and television program, The Journey of Man) and is being conducted in collaboration with other scientists around the world, will capture an invaluable genetic snapshot of humanity before modern-day influences erase it forever. Wells's own journey of discovery began as a child whose interests led him to the University of Texas, where he enrolled at age 16, majored in biology, and graduated Phi Beta Kappa three years later. He then pursued his Ph.D. at Harvard University under the tutelage of distinguished evolutionary geneticist Richard Lewontin. Beginning in 1994, Wells conducted postdoctoral training at Stanford University's School of Medicine with famed geneticist Luca Cavalli-Sforza, considered the father of anthropological genetics. It was there that Wells became committed to studying genetic diversity in indigenous populations and unraveling age-old mysteries about early human migration. Wells's field studies began in earnest in 1996 with his survey of Central Asia. In 1998 Wells and his colleagues expanded their study to include some 25,000 miles (40,000 kilometers) of Asia and the former Soviet republics. His landmark research findings led to advances in the understanding of the male Y chromosome and its ability to trace ancestral human migration. Wells later went to Oxford University, where he served as director of the Population Genetics Research Group of the Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics at Oxford. Following a stint as head of research for a Massachusetts-based biotechnology company, Wells made the decision in 2001 to focus on communicating scientific discovery through books and documentary films. Since the Genographic Project began, Wells's work has taken him to over three dozen countries, including Chad, Tajikistan, Morocco, Papua New Guinea, and French Polynesia, and he recently published his second book, Deep Ancestry: Inside the Genographic Project. He lives with his wife, a documentary filmmaker, in Washington, D.C. On The Human Family Tree, NGC producers trace the ancestral footsteps of all humanity in a very bold experiment. On one day, on just one street in Queens, New York, National Geographic and the Genome project collected DNA from hundreds of random neighbors. This was part of the landmark genographic project led by the National Geographic Society and corporate underwriter IBM to map out how people originally populated our planet. There are now over 350,000 participants, myself included, in this ongoing study. You can go to the Nat Geo website and order a kit for yourself, and find out where your DNA traveled through time: LINK Dr. Wells, obviously, mother Africa, we all come from, and the human race then spread out. What caused aborigines to be aboriginal, Caucasians to be Caucasians, Mongoloids to be Mongoloids? What caused these distinctive racial categories? SPENCER WELLS: Great question. First, they are really only skin deep. So we all came out of Africa within the last 60,000 years. We are all effectively members of an extended African family, and we've come back together in places like Queens. But over that 60,000 years, we scattered like the wind around the world, and we adapted to the different climates and the places where we lived. So people, as they moved out of the tropics, had to lose some of the pigmentation in their skin that they needed to protect themselves from the sun in the tropics. We actually have to let some UV light through to make Vitamin D. So that's the reason people in Northern Europe have lighter skin. Probably something Darwin called sexual selection, choosing people we mate with on the basis of what we find attractive, that varies according to where you are in the world. That probably played a role as well, probably
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shring? Buddhist and Hindu mantras.
On Dec 4, 2011, at 11:27 AM, richardatrwilliamsdotus wrote: emptybill: I already addressed this in a post about the primal bijas of Rig-Veda, all pointed out by Brahmarshi Daivarata. You keep avoiding the question: Where do the TM bija mantras come from? He does not know. TM initiators nor TM deep insiders have revealed any authentic textual or lineal source for the TM mantras. In fact we now know that Maheshiji held no lineage at all. Although one possibility is they could be from meditative experiences he had while in the presence of SBS. That would account for both their lack of textual basis and the fact that Mahesh, after a certain point began to refer to himself as a Maharishi (a very exalted claim). But I think that would be grasping at straws, and I do not recall ever hearing such a claim. One initiator here made the very reasonable claim that he simply applied different shaktis to different, traditional (tantric) stages of human development. So, for example, you'd give saraswati mantras during the learning phase of ones life, different ones later.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shring? Buddhist and Hindu mantras.
I already addressed this in a post about the primal bijas of Rig-Veda, all pointed out by Brahmarshi Daivarata. You keep avoiding the question: Where do the TM bija mantras come from? Vaj: He does not know. Well, Vaj and emptybill don't know, and if Rick Archer and Dana Sawyer don't know, then I guess we can conclude that only MMY knows where he got the TM bija mantras. It's just strange that so called experts like Dana and can't answer a simple question like this. Are we to understand that people just accept what they are told and just 'believe' that a 'bija' mantra is going to help them become enlightened? Taken on it's face, there's no reason to assume that a nonsense syllable could cause a person to enter into an altered state. It just doesn't make any sense. So, how did it come to be that anyone would think that by repeating a phrase over and over again would bring anyone any closer to an enlightened state?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
Well, that's interesting. I never liked rounding so did as little of it as possible. I can imagine that if people are cooped up all day doing that then they might get a bit reclusive for a while and find it difficult to get back into a more integrated lifestyle, but I would have thought such feelings would be very short-term. Anything more serious, I would doubt were caused by long rounding, although the people may well be sincere in thinking that. I suspect there must be some other underlying issues in such cases that have nothing to do with TM. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 10:30 AM, feste37 wrote: But it was part of what you said. (See below. I've restored your words that you deleted.) Here's what I said: I regularly talk to people who will mention problems as simple as having to alter their life because they're afraid to go outside or in public. Do you really mean that TM causes people to be afraid to go outside? Let me clarify what I said, since you're not getting it. I regularly talk to people On a consistent basis I'm talking to persons who have problems (plural)... as simple as having to alter their life because they're afraid to go outside or in public. ...to give a singular example, some might develop agoraphobic-type issues. To give further examples, some might develop hypersensitivties about being around other people. There are a large number of variations like this, it's not just limited to being in public. Because that's what you said. If indeed there are any examples I suspect your reasoning goes like this: person has psychological problems; person also does TM, therefore the problems are caused by TM. But I doubt whether that is valid. I'm relying on their perceptions and the conclusions they're drawing, not my own. They often associate these issues with extensive rounding, or (more rarely) the TMSP. Just as an aside, I loved rounding, it was one of my favorite TM activities. I'm not sure if I had any negative side effects, it seemed to have a relatively positive effect for may (often sensations of mental bliss). I think it would be more accurate to say that in such instances, TM proved to be no help in addressing the problem. These all occurred after long rounding, etc., so that is what they're associating it with. I can accept that, because TM is not a cure-all, but I don't think it makes people (to use your example) afraid to go outside. Such allegations, it seems to me, are just part of your long vendetta against TM and the TM movement, in which anything will do, whether accurate or not. When you talk to people who've helped in the recovery of such persons, they can site hundreds, even thousands of such instances. I should also point out a similar trend I've seen in the last ten years is also among people coming from the many Hindu kundalini paths that have sprung up. they're having similar problems or even more severe problems. Suffice to say, many of these types of disorders are well known in Ayurvedic and Tibetan medical literature.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
On Dec 4, 2011, at 1:42 PM, feste37 wrote: Well, that's interesting. I never liked rounding so did as little of it as possible. I can imagine that if people are cooped up all day doing that then they might get a bit reclusive for a while and find it difficult to get back into a more integrated lifestyle, but I would have thought such feelings would be very short-term. Anything more serious, I would doubt were caused by long rounding, although the people may well be sincere in thinking that. I suspect there must be some other underlying issues in such cases that have nothing to do with TM. I believe there is a cause effect relationship in this case, just having observed the weird hypersensitivities in various rounders or hardcore sidhas. I think it's important to distinguish between meditation forms that help samskaras be dissolved and those that plant sattvic seeds in the mind to overwhelm the rajasic and tamasic weeds. One method is like planting many flowers in a garden so that they overwhelm the weeds to the point they're barely noticeable, the other is like dissolving the weeds at the roots so the garden's already present state can emerge.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It Came From Dementia
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Yeah Barry, stay away from Obba. Raunchy just dumped me - she's all yours. You think that Venice guy might still be around? From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, December 4, 2011 1:16:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It Came From Dementia From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, December 4, 2011 12:00:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: It Came From Dementia Clearly, I failed to reserve a talking crazy head in the painting below for Robert/Babaji. Maybe he's the green/pink tentacled thing from which the blessings of all dementia flow. Or the elephant. :-) One thing I have to say for outbursts of insanity like yesterday's is that they make the end of the posting week much more pleasant by comparison. At this rate all of the crazies will have posted out by Monday and then the rest of us can talk. You wish Barry !!! I devised a devious plan with the help of Vedic gods to make sure the crazy Robin doesn't make a single post till I post out, so you still have to deal with him, good luck :-). I feel you have a crush on Obba and you are trying to steal her away from me. I don't really appreciate that, you have been warned my friend.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
I know nothing about meditation forms other than TM, which was the only one that ever interested me, so I am unable to comment on your analogy. I am aware that more than a few TM meditators have hypersensitivities, but I'm not sure that is always a bad thing: they have their antennae up to detect anything that might be harmful and coming their way, so as best to avoid it (food sensitivities, for example). I have hypersensitivities of my own, but I don't think TM or the TMSP had any effect on them, one way or another. It's just part of the makeup of the personality. But that's just my experience. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 1:42 PM, feste37 wrote: Well, that's interesting. I never liked rounding so did as little of it as possible. I can imagine that if people are cooped up all day doing that then they might get a bit reclusive for a while and find it difficult to get back into a more integrated lifestyle, but I would have thought such feelings would be very short-term. Anything more serious, I would doubt were caused by long rounding, although the people may well be sincere in thinking that. I suspect there must be some other underlying issues in such cases that have nothing to do with TM. I believe there is a cause effect relationship in this case, just having observed the weird hypersensitivities in various rounders or hardcore sidhas. I think it's important to distinguish between meditation forms that help samskaras be dissolved and those that plant sattvic seeds in the mind to overwhelm the rajasic and tamasic weeds. One method is like planting many flowers in a garden so that they overwhelm the weeds to the point they're barely noticeable, the other is like dissolving the weeds at the roots so the garden's already present state can emerge.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
Feste, even-though Vaj is a big liar he is right on some of the symptoms. During my kundalini descension I suffered from symptoms that resemble panic attacks. During 2 weeks in 2006 it result in massive agoraphobia for me. Of course I was blessed enough that existence guided me and I never had to rely on crooks like Vaj or big pharma. I healed and integrated the energy naturally. So quite possible that several people who trigger Kundalini through TM had these symptoms, but they have no faith and trust in the process or Guru to complete it. Psychosis is another state that helped my body, mind, ego to go through the Kundalini ascension phase. Again I can envision the possibility of people stuck in this state for a whole lifetime because they trusted crooks like Vaj and the big pharma. I have written about this in the past. I can talk more if you are interested. On Dec 4, 2011, at 11:14 AM, feste37 fest...@yahoo.com wrote: I know nothing about meditation forms other than TM, which was the only one that ever interested me, so I am unable to comment on your analogy. I am aware that more than a few TM meditators have hypersensitivities, but I'm not sure that is always a bad thing: they have their antennae up to detect anything that might be harmful and coming their way, so as best to avoid it (food sensitivities, for example). I have hypersensitivities of my own, but I don't think TM or the TMSP had any effect on them, one way or another. It's just part of the makeup of the personality. But that's just my experience. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 1:42 PM, feste37 wrote: Well, that's interesting. I never liked rounding so did as little of it as possible. I can imagine that if people are cooped up all day doing that then they might get a bit reclusive for a while and find it difficult to get back into a more integrated lifestyle, but I would have thought such feelings would be very short-term. Anything more serious, I would doubt were caused by long rounding, although the people may well be sincere in thinking that. I suspect there must be some other underlying issues in such cases that have nothing to do with TM. I believe there is a cause effect relationship in this case, just having observed the weird hypersensitivities in various rounders or hardcore sidhas. I think it's important to distinguish between meditation forms that help samskaras be dissolved and those that plant sattvic seeds in the mind to overwhelm the rajasic and tamasic weeds. One method is like planting many flowers in a garden so that they overwhelm the weeds to the point they're barely noticeable, the other is like dissolving the weeds at the roots so the garden's already present state can emerge.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Dana Sawyer needs photos
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:58 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Dana Sawyer needs photos On Dec 3, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Dana Sawyer has written a book on the TM Movement, and needs some photos. Please see below and let me know if you can help: How about the one of Robin and friends that Vaj just posted? :) Link to that?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:44 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Dana Sawyer has written a book on the TM Movement, and needs some photos. Please see below and let me know if you can help: I'd love to have photos of any and all important events and personalities, and you know those as well as I do. For instance: Swami Brahmananda MMY with Guru Dev MMY with Charlie Lutes (or Lutes separate) MMY with the Beatles MMY with Jerry Jarvis (or Jerry separate) Big European TTCs, like La Antilla and Majorca MMY on Merv Keith Wallace, first prez of MIU Headquarters in Switzerland National headquarters in LA photos of regional coordinators Domes at MIU Lillian Rosen? Bullah Smith? People practicing the flying sutra These are some ideas that come readily to mind. Let me know what you can get, Dana What kind of book ? Haven't read it. Don't know the content.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Dana Sawyer needs photos
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:05 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Dana Sawyer needs photos Rick, do you know if he's seen David Wants to Fly Yes. or read Kundalini Vidya (deals with the style of psychic damage often seen in sidhas and the methodology of dark gurus)? Don't know.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richardatrwilliamsdotus Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:34 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos shukra69: this is a desperate crazy person kind of drive-by slander on your part isn't it Vag? Vaj: I feel that all recent information relating to the TMO's dark side would be relevant, esp. material that relates to the traditional problems meditation can cause - and the hope for relief for people suffering... So, you need Dana Sawyer, who never even tried TM, to explain to you TM? You're supposed to be the spiritual teacher! You're thinking Dana Sawyer knows anything about the TM or the TMO? Go figure. Dana was a TM teacher, speaks fluent Hindi, has interviewed just about every significant yogi and swami in India, etc. I'd say he knows a thing or two about TM and the TMO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
I rather suspect he knows he's a hunk and wouldn't be aghast to find folks commenting favorably on his looks. He's most likely used to it and doesn't care as long as they also appreciate him for his mind. ;-) In any case, he's certainly out of *my* reach on a number of grounds, so his wife has nothing to fear. If he's within *your* reach, I can understand why you'd want to be circumspect. But feel free to pass on to him that you've run into an admirer-at-a-distance of his on FFL... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: He has a wife and kids. As he should. End of story. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Judy, control yourself. You of all people know we are communicating on a very open message board. Only out of reach, fantasy people we can comment on who has male beauty. This is too close to a circle of peeps of people who know peeps, to give an honest observational opinion. Interesting man specimen. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Hey, obba, you and I seem to have similar tastes in male beauty. Have a look at this--it's an interview with Dana Sawyer (a former TMer turned TM critic) on Rick's Buddha at the Gas Pump series: http://batgap.com/dana-sawyer/ Oy. Great smile, very engaging and articulate. Love the broken nose. Whew, and *smart*. I shouldn't characterize him just as a TM critic; he's very learned and experienced in the field of spirituality, especially Eastern spirituality. Impressive dude. Also luscious. ;-)
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(Nokia) Lumia (some snows, partitive plural case from 'lumi' = snow) appears to be quite popular in India: http://www.google.com/trends?q=nokia+lumia+710ctab=0geo=alldate=2011sort=0 http://tinyurl.com/cbovrof
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'President Newt?'
On 12/04/2011 04:33 AM, seekliberation wrote: How could we be there and not be a part of 'Mafias and corrupt governments, and using this money to fund secret operations; By counteracting the efforts to produce and deliver the heroin that is shipped in and out of Afghanistan. There are government agencies that have been involved in the eradication of the plants that produce the heroin for the last 10 years. Now, does this mean there is nobody in the US government helping the 'mafias and corrupt governments'? Not necessarily. But, IMO, the whole purpose of staying in Afghanistan is not for financial gain for the 1%. The only people getting any money from that war are those who own contract companies that work there. There aren't any oil pipelines there, and the country doesn't produce anything of value for us to profit from. We're there more so to save face to our nation and to the world for getting involved there in the first place. The military is engaged mostly to protect the interest of the 1%, people like Bush and his buds, and Cheney and a lot of other people who make millions manufacturing weapons of death and destruction, in a self propetuating circle of creating more problems than they solve... Then what was Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Lyndon Johnson's or John F. Kennedy's motives? For some reason people like to point to republicans when it comes to wars. Remember, WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam were all under democratic administrations in the white house. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama had a lot more going on than Bush, Bush II, or Reagan; You just didn't hear about much of it. Does Bill Clinton and Barack Obama profit from all the conflicts they got involved with too? What did JFK and Johnson get from Vietnam? Pretty much nothing but unpopularity and ridicule, for the most part. I'm not saying these wars were justified, i'm just saying there's a lot more that goes into involvement with other countries than profit. There has to be a better way, come hell or high water! Well, my POV is that we need to drill for our own oil here and quit doing business with the middle east, bring our bases back home and quit spending trillions to keep people overseas as the world's police. Our military should shrink to a size able to defend our homeland, and that's it. Is that a better way? seekliberation Seek, I think you see things too superficially. Please try to dig deeper and also step back and look at the planet from the global chessboard. The rich do a remarkable job of confusing the public and getting them to look at thing superficially. On the global chessboard you can see their motivations for playing chess and controlling resources.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Dana Sawyer needs photos
Perhaps it's this book? : Cosmic Capitalism, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and the Selling of Romanticism. (Albany: State University of New York Press, Forthcoming, Fall 2009). Co-written with Cynthia Humes. On Dec 3, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Dana Sawyer has written a book on the TM Movement, and needs some photos. Please see below and let me know if you can help: I'd love to have photos of any and all important events and personalities, and you know those as well as I do. For instance: Swami Brahmananda MMY with Guru Dev MMY with Charlie Lutes (or Lutes separate) MMY with the Beatles MMY with Jerry Jarvis (or Jerry separate) Big European TTCs, like La Antilla and Majorca MMY on Merv Keith Wallace, first prez of MIU Headquarters in Switzerland National headquarters in LA photos of regional coordinators Domes at MIU Lillian Rosen? Bullah Smith? People practicing the flying sutra These are some ideas that come readily to mind. Let me know what you can get, Dana
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
Interesting to get a clue as to what sort of man authfriend finds attractive. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: I rather suspect he knows he's a hunk and wouldn't be aghast to find folks commenting favorably on his looks. He's most likely used to it and doesn't care as long as they also appreciate him for his mind. ;-) In any case, he's certainly out of *my* reach on a number of grounds, so his wife has nothing to fear. If he's within *your* reach, I can understand why you'd want to be circumspect. But feel free to pass on to him that you've run into an admirer-at-a-distance of his on FFL... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: He has a wife and kids. As he should. End of story. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Judy, control yourself. You of all people know we are communicating on a very open message board. Only out of reach, fantasy people we can comment on who has male beauty. This is too close to a circle of peeps of people who know peeps, to give an honest observational opinion. Interesting man specimen. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Hey, obba, you and I seem to have similar tastes in male beauty. Have a look at this--it's an interview with Dana Sawyer (a former TMer turned TM critic) on Rick's Buddha at the Gas Pump series: http://batgap.com/dana-sawyer/ Oy. Great smile, very engaging and articulate. Love the broken nose. Whew, and *smart*. I shouldn't characterize him just as a TM critic; he's very learned and experienced in the field of spirituality, especially Eastern spirituality. Impressive dude. Also luscious. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'President Newt?'
I still disagree with you, in that I heard that there is a major oil pipeline there being built that goes across Afghanistan into Turkey. Also, there's been some 'rare earth elements' recently discovered there, like Lithium... Most of the people who own the military contracts are former military people who are also collecting big retirement pay... The CIA has been dealing drugs since Viet Nam, hard to believe but nonetheless, it's just the way it is...similar to how the Mexican government's been involved with selling drugs in Mexico. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 12/04/2011 04:33 AM, seekliberation wrote: How could we be there and not be a part of 'Mafias and corrupt governments, and using this money to fund secret operations; By counteracting the efforts to produce and deliver the heroin that is shipped in and out of Afghanistan. There are government agencies that have been involved in the eradication of the plants that produce the heroin for the last 10 years. Now, does this mean there is nobody in the US government helping the 'mafias and corrupt governments'? Not necessarily. But, IMO, the whole purpose of staying in Afghanistan is not for financial gain for the 1%. The only people getting any money from that war are those who own contract companies that work there. There aren't any oil pipelines there, and the country doesn't produce anything of value for us to profit from. We're there more so to save face to our nation and to the world for getting involved there in the first place. The military is engaged mostly to protect the interest of the 1%, people like Bush and his buds, and Cheney and a lot of other people who make millions manufacturing weapons of death and destruction, in a self propetuating circle of creating more problems than they solve... Then what was Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Lyndon Johnson's or John F. Kennedy's motives? For some reason people like to point to republicans when it comes to wars. Remember, WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam were all under democratic administrations in the white house. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama had a lot more going on than Bush, Bush II, or Reagan; You just didn't hear about much of it. Does Bill Clinton and Barack Obama profit from all the conflicts they got involved with too? What did JFK and Johnson get from Vietnam? Pretty much nothing but unpopularity and ridicule, for the most part. I'm not saying these wars were justified, i'm just saying there's a lot more that goes into involvement with other countries than profit. There has to be a better way, come hell or high water! Well, my POV is that we need to drill for our own oil here and quit doing business with the middle east, bring our bases back home and quit spending trillions to keep people overseas as the world's police. Our military should shrink to a size able to defend our homeland, and that's it. Is that a better way? seekliberation Seek, I think you see things too superficially. Please try to dig deeper and also step back and look at the planet from the global chessboard. The rich do a remarkable job of confusing the public and getting them to look at thing superficially. On the global chessboard you can see their motivations for playing chess and controlling resources.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Personal Letter to Ravi Yogi (Dr Ravi Chivukula)
Thanks! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Dear Robin, I was for some strange reason expecting an email from you, don't ask me why :-). I'm up and that should explain it. Well let's skip over Rajneesh since he is not alive and my loving him doesn't result in any comparisons with him since I understand his expression is limited by his personality and not everyone will like him and has to like him. He is one among the many expressions of the divine. I will also have similar problems because the expression will be filtered through my personality, some will love it, some will get disgusted by it and I realize that my audience, considering it somehow manifests, will actually be not too big. I guess you must have clearly deduced the audience and the market I am targeting. My special-ness in my childhood was all my mom's and obviously I neither expected nor cared for it. That she could be so ordinary, so screwed up in her marital life, yet have this stubborn, illogical, irrational notion that her younger son Ravi was somehow special and she somehow had the cooperation of her older children as well. I was too blissed out when I was young. The reason I mentioned always getting the window seat on my batgap interview was that as soon as my enlightenment hit, I felt like the 3 year old sitting on the moving train blissed out as I rode the train to work and all my memories flooded back. Plus prior to my enlightenment I would suffer, questioning myself at my inability to just let go and demanding, challenging myself to simply be, like when I was 3 - which only made it more tougher. You already know my views on creator and creation, that I am the creator enjoying my creation through the filter of the personality known as Ravi, through Robin and through all others. Yet I'm a part of my creation and have to follow the rules that I set into motion. This drama all ends at dissolution somehow, or may be never ends, who cares, just like the dreamer who constructs his dreams and also stars in it including himself. The dreamer may wake up or he may just continue. Now coming to the most important part of the question. Am I only this cosmic showman, as Bob said, mocking irreverently at my own creation somehow challenging others to see what I see myself? The answer is a BIG NO. This side of myself comes out predominantly on FFL and with people I love, in a restrained form with others depending on the energy and the receptivity of the person I'm interacting with. This manic, extroverted side seems to only come out as I interact with others, say personally or on FFL. Personally is much better as the energy is more apparent to others, that was indeed the reason for making those videos since I was on a phone with a dear woman friend of mine and I wondered how interesting it would be if people on FFL could see that my emails are not products of what they judge as anger, being defensive. If you could spend a day with me you would see that I go to bed as an ordinary man, albeit very late, stretching my day as long as possible till my body is tired or the clock indicates 2:30 am. I alternate in dream, deep sleep, ignorant state, as soon as I wake up I immediately recall myself, the mind, intellect starts running yet I witness all of it. I make a mad rush to work so I don't miss the 9:45 am meeting, if I'm late I hope I don't get noticed by the manager :-). I spend my work in anonymity (of my enlightenment by others), others appreciate my experience, my value, I might spend time on my iPhone with all FFL emails, Facebook. I do smile, greet, talk a lot to the greeters downstairs - this being a high profile building. On some days I am very high as soon as I start my day, on other days it slowly builds and surely by afternoon I'm high and then it starts getting harder to work, much more so in the last month say. And then I start getting more extroverted, smile and laugh more. I drive for a couple of hours listening to my music, getting into a deep sorrowful melancholy or a crazy blissful laughing high. You might see me spending my evening talking to friends, my family, my older kid, getting irritated at my ex when she calls rarely :-), cribbing about the amount of money I have to pay every month, complain about my ex or her treatment of kids. Or discuss mundane events or listen to purely mundane stuff. Then I laugh as people think I'm somehow attached to all my drama, the samsaara, the relative, the accidental. As I complain, talk about mundane events I also remind them that I'm utterly relaxed and detached. But lot of them have hard time believing that I'm indeed detached :-), because I'm pretty serious when indulging in the relative, mundane. Last Friday I attended my Guru's event and the next
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
But you have never done TM or the TM Sidhi program and yet you are seem completely lost in your head, very spacey and ungrounded, sometime hostile, often awkward, and usually arrogant, so how do you explain that?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 10:30 AM, feste37 wrote: But it was part of what you said. (See below. I've restored your words that you deleted.) Here's what I said: I regularly talk to people who will mention problems as simple as having to alter their life because they're afraid to go outside or in public. Do you really mean that TM causes people to be afraid to go outside? Let me clarify what I said, since you're not getting it. I regularly talk to people On a consistent basis I'm talking to persons who have problems (plural)... as simple as having to alter their life because they're afraid to go outside or in public. ...to give a singular example, some might develop agoraphobic-type issues. To give further examples, some might develop hypersensitivties about being around other people. There are a large number of variations like this, it's not just limited to being in public. Because that's what you said. If indeed there are any examples I suspect your reasoning goes like this: person has psychological problems; person also does TM, therefore the problems are caused by TM. But I doubt whether that is valid. I'm relying on their perceptions and the conclusions they're drawing, not my own. They often associate these issues with extensive rounding, or (more rarely) the TMSP. Just as an aside, I loved rounding, it was one of my favorite TM activities. I'm not sure if I had any negative side effects, it seemed to have a relatively positive effect for may (often sensations of mental bliss). I think it would be more accurate to say that in such instances, TM proved to be no help in addressing the problem. These all occurred after long rounding, etc., so that is what they're associating it with. I can accept that, because TM is not a cure-all, but I don't think it makes people (to use your example) afraid to go outside. Such allegations, it seems to me, are just part of your long vendetta against TM and the TM movement, in which anything will do, whether accurate or not. When you talk to people who've helped in the recovery of such persons, they can site hundreds, even thousands of such instances. I should also point out a similar trend I've seen in the last ten years is also among people coming from the many Hindu kundalini paths that have sprung up. they're having similar problems or even more severe problems. Suffice to say, many of these types of disorders are well known in Ayurvedic and Tibetan medical literature.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dana Sawyer needs photos
On Dec 4, 2011, at 2:14 PM, feste37 wrote: I am aware that more than a few TM meditators have hypersensitivities, but I'm not sure that is always a bad thing: they have their antennae up to detect anything that might be harmful and coming their way, so as best to avoid it (food sensitivities, for example). I have hypersensitivities of my own, but I don't think TM or the TMSP had any effect on them, one way or another. It's just part of the makeup of the personality. But that's just my experience. It's a psychological fact (from independent studies on TM) that a certain type of person self selects and decides to pay and undergo TM initiation - and that self selection all occurs from how that particular segment reacts to the intro lecture content. I guess the question then becomes what unique vulnerabilities does this group of humans have?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'President Newt?'
I think you disagree with Seek not me. On 12/04/2011 01:54 PM, Robert wrote: I still disagree with you, in that I heard that there is a major oil pipeline there being built that goes across Afghanistan into Turkey. Also, there's been some 'rare earth elements' recently discovered there, like Lithium... Most of the people who own the military contracts are former military people who are also collecting big retirement pay... The CIA has been dealing drugs since Viet Nam, hard to believe but nonetheless, it's just the way it is...similar to how the Mexican government's been involved with selling drugs in Mexico. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 12/04/2011 04:33 AM, seekliberation wrote: How could we be there and not be a part of 'Mafias and corrupt governments, and using this money to fund secret operations; By counteracting the efforts to produce and deliver the heroin that is shipped in and out of Afghanistan. There are government agencies that have been involved in the eradication of the plants that produce the heroin for the last 10 years. Now, does this mean there is nobody in the US government helping the 'mafias and corrupt governments'? Not necessarily. But, IMO, the whole purpose of staying in Afghanistan is not for financial gain for the 1%. The only people getting any money from that war are those who own contract companies that work there. There aren't any oil pipelines there, and the country doesn't produce anything of value for us to profit from. We're there more so to save face to our nation and to the world for getting involved there in the first place. The military is engaged mostly to protect the interest of the 1%, people like Bush and his buds, and Cheney and a lot of other people who make millions manufacturing weapons of death and destruction, in a self propetuating circle of creating more problems than they solve... Then what was Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Lyndon Johnson's or John F. Kennedy's motives? For some reason people like to point to republicans when it comes to wars. Remember, WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam were all under democratic administrations in the white house. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama had a lot more going on than Bush, Bush II, or Reagan; You just didn't hear about much of it. Does Bill Clinton and Barack Obama profit from all the conflicts they got involved with too? What did JFK and Johnson get from Vietnam? Pretty much nothing but unpopularity and ridicule, for the most part. I'm not saying these wars were justified, i'm just saying there's a lot more that goes into involvement with other countries than profit. There has to be a better way, come hell or high water! Well, my POV is that we need to drill for our own oil here and quit doing business with the middle east, bring our bases back home and quit spending trillions to keep people overseas as the world's police. Our military should shrink to a size able to defend our homeland, and that's it. Is that a better way? seekliberation Seek, I think you see things too superficially. Please try to dig deeper and also step back and look at the planet from the global chessboard. The rich do a remarkable job of confusing the public and getting them to look at thing superficially. On the global chessboard you can see their motivations for playing chess and controlling resources.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
I find this interesting but am not convinced by the idea (hardly a psychological fact) that those who start TM constitute a certain type of person, since such a huge variety of people have learned TM over the years. I think the self-selection idea could be better applied to the TM campus community here in Fairfield, since that is certainly a self-selected group from among the many thousands of people who have learned TM, and they may well have some traits in common that would make your question, What unique vulnerabilities does this group of humans have? a valid and an interesting one. But I think it would have to be balanced by a more positive question: What unique strengths, including gifts, talents, and spiritual vision does this group of humans have? Then we might be able to reach a more fair-minded conclusion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 2:14 PM, feste37 wrote: I am aware that more than a few TM meditators have hypersensitivities, but I'm not sure that is always a bad thing: they have their antennae up to detect anything that might be harmful and coming their way, so as best to avoid it (food sensitivities, for example). I have hypersensitivities of my own, but I don't think TM or the TMSP had any effect on them, one way or another. It's just part of the makeup of the personality. But that's just my experience. It's a psychological fact (from independent studies on TM) that a certain type of person self selects and decides to pay and undergo TM initiation - and that self selection all occurs from how that particular segment reacts to the intro lecture content. I guess the question then becomes what unique vulnerabilities does this group of humans have?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: snip [Nabby wrote:] What kind of book ? Haven't read it. Don't know the content. ...Yesterday an old friend asked me whether the rumor he heard was true, that I'm writing an anti-TMO book. It's not, but that rumor probably started because I've mentioned here that I know of a couple of books in the pipeline that the movement won't be too crazy about (Dana Sawyer's and Judith's).--Rick Archer, July 3, 2004 (Rick also said around the same time that he had read the first three or four chapters.) In any case, unless Dana has undergone a major change of mind, we know it's going to be negative in at least some respects, based on the quotes from Dana's emails to Rick on various aspects of the Guru Dev succession controversy that Rick has posted here; plus the fact that Dana refers to MMY in the emails as Mahesh, which is a pretty sure sign of a less-than-100 percent-positive perspective.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'President Newt?'
China is the country that's mining for the 'rare earth elements'. I never saw any oil pipelines, and even if there were any going to Turkey, who does that benefit? Islamic countries only. It would make sense if there were an oil pipeline going from one Islamic country to another. But at the same time, i've never seen the oil pipelines. Michael Moore pitched a big fit about those pipelines, and their nowhere to be found. Where are they mining for that oil? What province? The issue I have with dealing drugs is: Who's buying them? For example, Obama criticized the Pres of Mexico for the drug problem in America at one point. But the argument from Mexico is: You're the one who's buying the drugs! In other words, we create the problems we put forth so much effort to solve. So drug users are as much of the problem as anyone else. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: I still disagree with you, in that I heard that there is a major oil pipeline there being built that goes across Afghanistan into Turkey. Also, there's been some 'rare earth elements' recently discovered there, like Lithium... Most of the people who own the military contracts are former military people who are also collecting big retirement pay... The CIA has been dealing drugs since Viet Nam, hard to believe but nonetheless, it's just the way it is...similar to how the Mexican government's been involved with selling drugs in Mexico. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 12/04/2011 04:33 AM, seekliberation wrote: How could we be there and not be a part of 'Mafias and corrupt governments, and using this money to fund secret operations; By counteracting the efforts to produce and deliver the heroin that is shipped in and out of Afghanistan. There are government agencies that have been involved in the eradication of the plants that produce the heroin for the last 10 years. Now, does this mean there is nobody in the US government helping the 'mafias and corrupt governments'? Not necessarily. But, IMO, the whole purpose of staying in Afghanistan is not for financial gain for the 1%. The only people getting any money from that war are those who own contract companies that work there. There aren't any oil pipelines there, and the country doesn't produce anything of value for us to profit from. We're there more so to save face to our nation and to the world for getting involved there in the first place. The military is engaged mostly to protect the interest of the 1%, people like Bush and his buds, and Cheney and a lot of other people who make millions manufacturing weapons of death and destruction, in a self propetuating circle of creating more problems than they solve... Then what was Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Lyndon Johnson's or John F. Kennedy's motives? For some reason people like to point to republicans when it comes to wars. Remember, WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam were all under democratic administrations in the white house. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama had a lot more going on than Bush, Bush II, or Reagan; You just didn't hear about much of it. Does Bill Clinton and Barack Obama profit from all the conflicts they got involved with too? What did JFK and Johnson get from Vietnam? Pretty much nothing but unpopularity and ridicule, for the most part. I'm not saying these wars were justified, i'm just saying there's a lot more that goes into involvement with other countries than profit. There has to be a better way, come hell or high water! Well, my POV is that we need to drill for our own oil here and quit doing business with the middle east, bring our bases back home and quit spending trillions to keep people overseas as the world's police. Our military should shrink to a size able to defend our homeland, and that's it. Is that a better way? seekliberation Seek, I think you see things too superficially. Please try to dig deeper and also step back and look at the planet from the global chessboard. The rich do a remarkable job of confusing the public and getting them to look at thing superficially. On the global chessboard you can see their motivations for playing chess and controlling resources.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:50 PM, feste37 wrote: I find this interesting but am not convinced by the idea (hardly a psychological fact) that those who start TM constitute a certain type of person, since such a huge variety of people have learned TM over the years. That's true. You could easily argue, it's just a sample from one stretch a time. The broader number of samples, the better. It would be interesting to see how well it would replicated, for example, if there was a sudden Oprah wave that would be a perfect oppurtunity. I think the self-selection idea could be better applied to the TM campus community here in Fairfield, since that is certainly a self-selected group from among the many thousands of people who have learned TM, and they may well have some traits in common that would make your question, What unique vulnerabilities does this group of humans have? a valid and an interesting one. But I think it would have to be balanced by a more positive question: What unique strengths, including gifts, talents, and spiritual vision does this group of humans have? Then we might be able to reach a more fair-minded conclusion. One of the problems with sampling TMers in questionaire formats of any kind is how much have they been already biased by research they've been shown or indoctrinated in? And unfortunately the answer with someone who is so deep into the TM worldview as to be enrolled in a TM university culture is hugely biased. In fact a lot of those people may have become involved because of research they were shown. Because of this fact, I'm afraid most if not all subjects would not be neutral or naive to the questions. Of course the opposite side of the coin is that disreputable researchers, understanding the lack of naiveté and because of the their ability to cherry-pick certain true believers, they can skew almost any research in their favor. Plus if you have a group like 1000-headed Purusha or MD as a PR mechanism, you can flood the web nowadays with so much counter-information and disinformation that modern consumers gobble it right up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Perhaps it's this book? : Cosmic Capitalism, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and the Selling of Romanticism. (Albany: State University of New York Press, forthcoming, Fall 2009). Co-written with Cynthia Humes. If that's it, it's a bit behind schedule, it seems. The SUNY Press Web site has no mention of it, even as forthcoming. On Dec 3, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Dana Sawyer has written a book on the TM Movement, and needs some photos. Please see below and let me know if you can help:
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'President Newt?'
I'm not naive when it comes to corruption in our government. But as far as Afghanistan goes, it is quite possibly the biggest shithole on the planet with the least amount of potential in terms of resources and corruption within it's own nation. I don't buy the fact that we're in there trying to help our economy in any way. We can barely even function as a military there, let alone have a civilian company mining for substances without getting killed. Regarding looking at the global chessboard: try looking at China, North Korea, and Iran's goals. Do you really think we're doing much worse than them? There aren't really any significant resources to be controlled in Afghanistan, with the exception of some rare substances up in the mountains, and China has already staked its claim there. The USA will not get any significant profit from Afghanistan, with the exception of security and contract companies. So yes, Dick Cheney could profit if Halliburton has contracts there. That's about it. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 12/04/2011 04:33 AM, seekliberation wrote: How could we be there and not be a part of 'Mafias and corrupt governments, and using this money to fund secret operations; By counteracting the efforts to produce and deliver the heroin that is shipped in and out of Afghanistan. There are government agencies that have been involved in the eradication of the plants that produce the heroin for the last 10 years. Now, does this mean there is nobody in the US government helping the 'mafias and corrupt governments'? Not necessarily. But, IMO, the whole purpose of staying in Afghanistan is not for financial gain for the 1%. The only people getting any money from that war are those who own contract companies that work there. There aren't any oil pipelines there, and the country doesn't produce anything of value for us to profit from. We're there more so to save face to our nation and to the world for getting involved there in the first place. The military is engaged mostly to protect the interest of the 1%, people like Bush and his buds, and Cheney and a lot of other people who make millions manufacturing weapons of death and destruction, in a self propetuating circle of creating more problems than they solve... Then what was Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Lyndon Johnson's or John F. Kennedy's motives? For some reason people like to point to republicans when it comes to wars. Remember, WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam were all under democratic administrations in the white house. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama had a lot more going on than Bush, Bush II, or Reagan; You just didn't hear about much of it. Does Bill Clinton and Barack Obama profit from all the conflicts they got involved with too? What did JFK and Johnson get from Vietnam? Pretty much nothing but unpopularity and ridicule, for the most part. I'm not saying these wars were justified, i'm just saying there's a lot more that goes into involvement with other countries than profit. There has to be a better way, come hell or high water! Well, my POV is that we need to drill for our own oil here and quit doing business with the middle east, bring our bases back home and quit spending trillions to keep people overseas as the world's police. Our military should shrink to a size able to defend our homeland, and that's it. Is that a better way? seekliberation Seek, I think you see things too superficially. Please try to dig deeper and also step back and look at the planet from the global chessboard. The rich do a remarkable job of confusing the public and getting them to look at thing superficially. On the global chessboard you can see their motivations for playing chess and controlling resources.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Interesting to get a clue as to what sort of man authfriend finds attractive. Why?? I suspect most women would find him at least good-looking. He's pretty conventionally handsome. (Even Rick remarked on that in one of his posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I rather suspect he knows he's a hunk and wouldn't be aghast to find folks commenting favorably on his looks. He's most likely used to it and doesn't care as long as they also appreciate him for his mind. ;-) In any case, he's certainly out of *my* reach on a number of grounds, so his wife has nothing to fear. If he's within *your* reach, I can understand why you'd want to be circumspect. But feel free to pass on to him that you've run into an admirer-at-a-distance of his on FFL... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: He has a wife and kids. As he should. End of story. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Judy, control yourself. You of all people know we are communicating on a very open message board. Only out of reach, fantasy people we can comment on who has male beauty. This is too close to a circle of peeps of people who know peeps, to give an honest observational opinion. Interesting man specimen. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Hey, obba, you and I seem to have similar tastes in male beauty. Have a look at this--it's an interview with Dana Sawyer (a former TMer turned TM critic) on Rick's Buddha at the Gas Pump series: http://batgap.com/dana-sawyer/ Oy. Great smile, very engaging and articulate. Love the broken nose. Whew, and *smart*. I shouldn't characterize him just as a TM critic; he's very learned and experienced in the field of spirituality, especially Eastern spirituality. Impressive dude. Also luscious. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
Judy, wow. You are cracking me up and getting other men worked up. lol I do not know him personally at all, nor his wife. I can guarantee some of my friends know him or of him or them, the couple from hunk land. Maybe we should put some pictures up of Farrah Fawcett or Cheryl Tiegs or Demi Moore or Heather Graham, or the girl with the big lips or the Pamela Anderson to calm the beasts? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: I rather suspect he knows he's a hunk and wouldn't be aghast to find folks commenting favorably on his looks. He's most likely used to it and doesn't care as long as they also appreciate him for his mind. ;-) In any case, he's certainly out of *my* reach on a number of grounds, so his wife has nothing to fear. If he's within *your* reach, I can understand why you'd want to be circumspect. But feel free to pass on to him that you've run into an admirer-at-a-distance of his on FFL... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: He has a wife and kids. As he should. End of story. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Judy, control yourself. You of all people know we are communicating on a very open message board. Only out of reach, fantasy people we can comment on who has male beauty. This is too close to a circle of peeps of people who know peeps, to give an honest observational opinion. Interesting man specimen. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Hey, obba, you and I seem to have similar tastes in male beauty. Have a look at this--it's an interview with Dana Sawyer (a former TMer turned TM critic) on Rick's Buddha at the Gas Pump series: http://batgap.com/dana-sawyer/ Oy. Great smile, very engaging and articulate. Love the broken nose. Whew, and *smart*. I shouldn't characterize him just as a TM critic; he's very learned and experienced in the field of spirituality, especially Eastern spirituality. Impressive dude. Also luscious. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shring? Buddhist and Hindu mantras.
The origin of the bija mantra is not really mysterious. They come from you, me and even WikiWillyGuptaGupta. They vibrate in the human subtle nervous system and will erupt if evoked properly. It is this experience which separates them from ordinary human speech activity. Willy doesn't believe this therefore he can't remember the numerous times I have given this reference here on FFL. That's probably because he doesn't do mantra meditation - he just does Shikan Taza. The CD listed below was done by a master Sanskrit teacher and teaches others in the same manner that he learned it. The particular method used on this CD lights up most meditators like a mantric christmas tree. However, I'm not sure that someone only doing Shikan taza will have the same experience. The meditator may need to do mantra enough to become sensitive to vibrantional intensity. Japanese style Zen is very barren, as are many of the minds that practice it. Zazen practitioners can easily dry up, as observed long ago. I think MMY probably took traditional bija-mantras and stratified them according to standard developmental stages. That also is not too mysterious. Bija Mantra, Chakra Tuning with Two Meditations by Vyas Houston http://www.americansanskrit.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=amsanskritS\ creen=PRODCategory_Code=CDsProduct_Code=CD-1010 http://www.americansanskrit.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=amsanskrit\ Screen=PRODCategory_Code=CDsProduct_Code=CD-1010 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 11:27 AM, richardatrwilliamsdotus wrote: emptybill: I already addressed this in a post about the primal bijas of Rig-Veda, all pointed out by Brahmarshi Daivarata. You keep avoiding the question: Where do the TM bija mantras come from? He does not know. TM initiators nor TM deep insiders have revealed any authentic textual or lineal source for the TM mantras. In fact we now know that Maheshiji held no lineage at all. Although one possibility is they could be from meditative experiences he had while in the presence of SBS. That would account for both their lack of textual basis and the fact that Mahesh, after a certain point began to refer to himself as a Maharishi (a very exalted claim). But I think that would be grasping at straws, and I do not recall ever hearing such a claim. One initiator here made the very reasonable claim that he simply applied different shaktis to different, traditional (tantric) stages of human development. So, for example, you'd give saraswati mantras during the learning phase of ones life, different ones later.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: I find this interesting but am not convinced by the idea (hardly a psychological fact) that those who start TM constitute a certain type of person, since such a huge variety of people have learned TM over the years. Not to mention that many of them have dropped out over the years. In any case, it's meaningless--because it's a truism-- to say the group of those who start TM has been found by research to be self-selected. How could it possibly be otherwise? Same with any other group whose members voluntarily adopt a particular program. It would only be meaningful if there were a finding that the group self-selects *for* some specific characteristics. It's pretty reasonable to assume that the group is self- selected for those who have an interest in self- development, since that's what TM is for. But of course many, many different types of people have an interest in self-development (and a desire for self-improvement is generally considered a positive, healthy characteristic). There's no basis to assume such a group has unique vulnerabilities. That's just typical Vaj bullshit. I think the self-selection idea could be better applied to the TM campus community here in Fairfield, since that is certainly a self-selected group from among the many thousands of people who have learned TM, and they may well have some traits in common that would make your question, What unique vulnerabilities does this group of humans have? a valid and an interesting one. But I think it would have to be balanced by a more positive question: What unique strengths, including gifts, talents, and spiritual vision does this group of humans have? Then we might be able to reach a more fair-minded conclusion. Exactly. Well put. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 2:14 PM, feste37 wrote: I am aware that more than a few TM meditators have hypersensitivities, but I'm not sure that is always a bad thing: they have their antennae up to detect anything that might be harmful and coming their way, so as best to avoid it (food sensitivities, for example). I have hypersensitivities of my own, but I don't think TM or the TMSP had any effect on them, one way or another. It's just part of the makeup of the personality. But that's just my experience. It's a psychological fact (from independent studies on TM) that a certain type of person self selects and decides to pay and undergo TM initiation - and that self selection all occurs from how that particular segment reacts to the intro lecture content. I guess the question then becomes what unique vulnerabilities does this group of humans have?
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
Because it's much more personal than what you usually post here. Gives me a glimpse of the person behind the post. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Interesting to get a clue as to what sort of man authfriend finds attractive. Why?? I suspect most women would find him at least good-looking. He's pretty conventionally handsome. (Even Rick remarked on that in one of his posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I rather suspect he knows he's a hunk and wouldn't be aghast to find folks commenting favorably on his looks. He's most likely used to it and doesn't care as long as they also appreciate him for his mind. ;-) In any case, he's certainly out of *my* reach on a number of grounds, so his wife has nothing to fear. If he's within *your* reach, I can understand why you'd want to be circumspect. But feel free to pass on to him that you've run into an admirer-at-a-distance of his on FFL... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: He has a wife and kids. As he should. End of story. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Judy, control yourself. You of all people know we are communicating on a very open message board. Only out of reach, fantasy people we can comment on who has male beauty. This is too close to a circle of peeps of people who know peeps, to give an honest observational opinion. Interesting man specimen. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Hey, obba, you and I seem to have similar tastes in male beauty. Have a look at this--it's an interview with Dana Sawyer (a former TMer turned TM critic) on Rick's Buddha at the Gas Pump series: http://batgap.com/dana-sawyer/ Oy. Great smile, very engaging and articulate. Love the broken nose. Whew, and *smart*. I shouldn't characterize him just as a TM critic; he's very learned and experienced in the field of spirituality, especially Eastern spirituality. Impressive dude. Also luscious. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:58 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Dana Sawyer needs photos On Dec 3, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Dana Sawyer has written a book on the TM Movement, and needs some photos. Please see below and let me know if you can help: [Sal wrote:] How about the one of Robin and friends that Vaj just posted? :) [Rick wrote:] Link to that? According to Alex, Vaj deleted it the morning after the evening the upload was announced on FFL, only hours, at most, after he had made a post advertising it and describing it (#297025): Here's a picture I took outside of a church in FF with my old SX-70 Polaroid, 1st gen. I forget what it was but I believe it is some sort of pronouncement that HH Robin Carlsen is holding in the picture, while Saint Gemma II looks on concerned about the actions we're about to undertake, probably marching onto the MIU campus or some such activity. Since his psychotic break kundalini psychosis episode TM-style enlightenment in Switzerland his sattvic countenance was often protected from the rajasic rays of the sun by a sacred umbrella. Notice the nervous and tense vibe in the seminar students. This was a common vibe in the World Teacher Seminar because if you weren't about to do something quasi-illegal - marching onto private campuses, disrupting public lectures, etc. there was always the chance that you could be declared demonic if Robin and the seminar couldn't groove to your darshan (while standing in front of an audience, being drilled at a microphone, in a basement somewhere). Interesting that he'd delete it shortly after pointing out the things we should notice in it, no? And he's never commented on or even acknowledged that he deleted it, even after Alex posted that that's what he'd done. Vaj was still talking about the photo *after* he'd deleted it. In one post that afternoon he suggested Robin had been holding the painting of SBS, but as you'll notice above, that morning he'd said it was some sort of pronouncement. As I recall the photo, what Robin was holding didn't appear to be the painting of SBS. Perhaps that's one reason Vaj deleted the photo? FWIW, Vaj has also deleted quite a few of the posts he's made about Robin in the past (made before Robin joined us; Alex might know when he deleted them). There are still traces of those posts in other people's responses that quote Vaj's posts. Wonder why he'd do that? What is it he said that he didn't want anybody to see?
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Because it's much more personal than what you usually post here. Gives me a glimpse of the person behind the post. Don't think it tells you much. And I've commented about attractive men before from time to time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Interesting to get a clue as to what sort of man authfriend finds attractive. Why?? I suspect most women would find him at least good-looking. He's pretty conventionally handsome. (Even Rick remarked on that in one of his posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I rather suspect he knows he's a hunk and wouldn't be aghast to find folks commenting favorably on his looks. He's most likely used to it and doesn't care as long as they also appreciate him for his mind. ;-) In any case, he's certainly out of *my* reach on a number of grounds, so his wife has nothing to fear. If he's within *your* reach, I can understand why you'd want to be circumspect. But feel free to pass on to him that you've run into an admirer-at-a-distance of his on FFL... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: He has a wife and kids. As he should. End of story. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Judy, control yourself. You of all people know we are communicating on a very open message board. Only out of reach, fantasy people we can comment on who has male beauty. This is too close to a circle of peeps of people who know peeps, to give an honest observational opinion. Interesting man specimen. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Hey, obba, you and I seem to have similar tastes in male beauty. Have a look at this--it's an interview with Dana Sawyer (a former TMer turned TM critic) on Rick's Buddha at the Gas Pump series: http://batgap.com/dana-sawyer/ Oy. Great smile, very engaging and articulate. Love the broken nose. Whew, and *smart*. I shouldn't characterize him just as a TM critic; he's very learned and experienced in the field of spirituality, especially Eastern spirituality. Impressive dude. Also luscious. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKk00OYKhU --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Because it's much more personal than what you usually post here. Gives me a glimpse of the person behind the post. Don't think it tells you much. And I've commented about attractive men before from time to time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Interesting to get a clue as to what sort of man authfriend finds attractive. Why?? I suspect most women would find him at least good-looking. He's pretty conventionally handsome. (Even Rick remarked on that in one of his posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I rather suspect he knows he's a hunk and wouldn't be aghast to find folks commenting favorably on his looks. He's most likely used to it and doesn't care as long as they also appreciate him for his mind. ;-) In any case, he's certainly out of *my* reach on a number of grounds, so his wife has nothing to fear. If he's within *your* reach, I can understand why you'd want to be circumspect. But feel free to pass on to him that you've run into an admirer-at-a-distance of his on FFL... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: He has a wife and kids. As he should. End of story. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Judy, control yourself. You of all people know we are communicating on a very open message board. Only out of reach, fantasy people we can comment on who has male beauty. This is too close to a circle of peeps of people who know peeps, to give an honest observational opinion. Interesting man specimen. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Hey, obba, you and I seem to have similar tastes in male beauty. Have a look at this--it's an interview with Dana Sawyer (a former TMer turned TM critic) on Rick's Buddha at the Gas Pump series: http://batgap.com/dana-sawyer/ Oy. Great smile, very engaging and articulate. Love the broken nose. Whew, and *smart*. I shouldn't characterize him just as a TM critic; he's very learned and experienced in the field of spirituality, especially Eastern spirituality. Impressive dude. Also luscious. ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'President Newt?'
Given that Afghanistan is the graveyard of nations we have no business there. So why are we there? Regarding pipelines: A deal has been struck on building a 1,700km (1,050m) pipeline to carry Turkmen natural gas across Afghanistan to Pakistan and India. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11977744 Let the Afghanis do their own business, it's their country not ours. We left Vietnam to their own people and now we are trading partners. The same will probably happen when we leave Afghanistan. They're people will want to be part of the rest of the world and will eliminate the religious crazies that oppose that themselves. I would say Chinese interests not the Republic of China have staked a claim (if true). We didn't fight actually fight a war against the British but the British East India Company and the Brits sent in their army to protect the King's interests because he was a principle stockholder in that corporation. On 12/04/2011 03:11 PM, seekliberation wrote: I'm not naive when it comes to corruption in our government. But as far as Afghanistan goes, it is quite possibly the biggest shithole on the planet with the least amount of potential in terms of resources and corruption within it's own nation. I don't buy the fact that we're in there trying to help our economy in any way. We can barely even function as a military there, let alone have a civilian company mining for substances without getting killed. Regarding looking at the global chessboard: try looking at China, North Korea, and Iran's goals. Do you really think we're doing much worse than them? There aren't really any significant resources to be controlled in Afghanistan, with the exception of some rare substances up in the mountains, and China has already staked its claim there. The USA will not get any significant profit from Afghanistan, with the exception of security and contract companies. So yes, Dick Cheney could profit if Halliburton has contracts there. That's about it. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 12/04/2011 04:33 AM, seekliberation wrote: How could we be there and not be a part of 'Mafias and corrupt governments, and using this money to fund secret operations; By counteracting the efforts to produce and deliver the heroin that is shipped in and out of Afghanistan. There are government agencies that have been involved in the eradication of the plants that produce the heroin for the last 10 years. Now, does this mean there is nobody in the US government helping the 'mafias and corrupt governments'? Not necessarily. But, IMO, the whole purpose of staying in Afghanistan is not for financial gain for the 1%. The only people getting any money from that war are those who own contract companies that work there. There aren't any oil pipelines there, and the country doesn't produce anything of value for us to profit from. We're there more so to save face to our nation and to the world for getting involved there in the first place. The military is engaged mostly to protect the interest of the 1%, people like Bush and his buds, and Cheney and a lot of other people who make millions manufacturing weapons of death and destruction, in a self propetuating circle of creating more problems than they solve... Then what was Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Lyndon Johnson's or John F. Kennedy's motives? For some reason people like to point to republicans when it comes to wars. Remember, WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam were all under democratic administrations in the white house. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama had a lot more going on than Bush, Bush II, or Reagan; You just didn't hear about much of it. Does Bill Clinton and Barack Obama profit from all the conflicts they got involved with too? What did JFK and Johnson get from Vietnam? Pretty much nothing but unpopularity and ridicule, for the most part. I'm not saying these wars were justified, i'm just saying there's a lot more that goes into involvement with other countries than profit. There has to be a better way, come hell or high water! Well, my POV is that we need to drill for our own oil here and quit doing business with the middle east, bring our bases back home and quit spending trillions to keep people overseas as the world's police. Our military should shrink to a size able to defend our homeland, and that's it. Is that a better way? seekliberation Seek, I think you see things too superficially. Please try to dig deeper and also step back and look at the planet from the global chessboard. The rich do a remarkable job of confusing the public and getting them to look at thing superficially. On the global chessboard you can see their motivations for playing chess and controlling resources.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKk00OYKhU There ya go. That was really just the body, though, which I thought was very nice. I like a little hair on a man's chest. (There's a personal glimpse for you, feste.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Because it's much more personal than what you usually post here. Gives me a glimpse of the person behind the post. Don't think it tells you much. And I've commented about attractive men before from time to time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Interesting to get a clue as to what sort of man authfriend finds attractive. Why?? I suspect most women would find him at least good-looking. He's pretty conventionally handsome. (Even Rick remarked on that in one of his posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I rather suspect he knows he's a hunk and wouldn't be aghast to find folks commenting favorably on his looks. He's most likely used to it and doesn't care as long as they also appreciate him for his mind. ;-) In any case, he's certainly out of *my* reach on a number of grounds, so his wife has nothing to fear. If he's within *your* reach, I can understand why you'd want to be circumspect. But feel free to pass on to him that you've run into an admirer-at-a-distance of his on FFL... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: He has a wife and kids. As he should. End of story. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Judy, control yourself. You of all people know we are communicating on a very open message board. Only out of reach, fantasy people we can comment on who has male beauty. This is too close to a circle of peeps of people who know peeps, to give an honest observational opinion. Interesting man specimen. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Hey, obba, you and I seem to have similar tastes in male beauty. Have a look at this--it's an interview with Dana Sawyer (a former TMer turned TM critic) on Rick's Buddha at the Gas Pump series: http://batgap.com/dana-sawyer/ Oy. Great smile, very engaging and articulate. Love the broken nose. Whew, and *smart*. I shouldn't characterize him just as a TM critic; he's very learned and experienced in the field of spirituality, especially Eastern spirituality. Impressive dude. Also luscious. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
Now you're talkin', authfriend. More, more. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKk00OYKhU There ya go. That was really just the body, though, which I thought was very nice. I like a little hair on a man's chest. (There's a personal glimpse for you, feste.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Because it's much more personal than what you usually post here. Gives me a glimpse of the person behind the post. Don't think it tells you much. And I've commented about attractive men before from time to time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Interesting to get a clue as to what sort of man authfriend finds attractive. Why?? I suspect most women would find him at least good-looking. He's pretty conventionally handsome. (Even Rick remarked on that in one of his posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I rather suspect he knows he's a hunk and wouldn't be aghast to find folks commenting favorably on his looks. He's most likely used to it and doesn't care as long as they also appreciate him for his mind. ;-) In any case, he's certainly out of *my* reach on a number of grounds, so his wife has nothing to fear. If he's within *your* reach, I can understand why you'd want to be circumspect. But feel free to pass on to him that you've run into an admirer-at-a-distance of his on FFL... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: He has a wife and kids. As he should. End of story. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Judy, control yourself. You of all people know we are communicating on a very open message board. Only out of reach, fantasy people we can comment on who has male beauty. This is too close to a circle of peeps of people who know peeps, to give an honest observational opinion. Interesting man specimen. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Hey, obba, you and I seem to have similar tastes in male beauty. Have a look at this--it's an interview with Dana Sawyer (a former TMer turned TM critic) on Rick's Buddha at the Gas Pump series: http://batgap.com/dana-sawyer/ Oy. Great smile, very engaging and articulate. Love the broken nose. Whew, and *smart*. I shouldn't characterize him just as a TM critic; he's very learned and experienced in the field of spirituality, especially Eastern spirituality. Impressive dude. Also luscious. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Now you're talkin', authfriend. More, more. feste, for goodness sakes, I'm going to be 70 in a few months. There's something, well, *unseemly* about your enthusiastic curiosity here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKk00OYKhU There ya go. That was really just the body, though, which I thought was very nice. I like a little hair on a man's chest. (There's a personal glimpse for you, feste.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Because it's much more personal than what you usually post here. Gives me a glimpse of the person behind the post. Don't think it tells you much. And I've commented about attractive men before from time to time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Interesting to get a clue as to what sort of man authfriend finds attractive. Why?? I suspect most women would find him at least good-looking. He's pretty conventionally handsome. (Even Rick remarked on that in one of his posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I rather suspect he knows he's a hunk and wouldn't be aghast to find folks commenting favorably on his looks. He's most likely used to it and doesn't care as long as they also appreciate him for his mind. ;-) In any case, he's certainly out of *my* reach on a number of grounds, so his wife has nothing to fear. If he's within *your* reach, I can understand why you'd want to be circumspect. But feel free to pass on to him that you've run into an admirer-at-a-distance of his on FFL... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: He has a wife and kids. As he should. End of story. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Judy, control yourself. You of all people know we are communicating on a very open message board. Only out of reach, fantasy people we can comment on who has male beauty. This is too close to a circle of peeps of people who know peeps, to give an honest observational opinion. Interesting man specimen. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Hey, obba, you and I seem to have similar tastes in male beauty. Have a look at this--it's an interview with Dana Sawyer (a former TMer turned TM critic) on Rick's Buddha at the Gas Pump series: http://batgap.com/dana-sawyer/ Oy. Great smile, very engaging and articulate. Love the broken nose. Whew, and *smart*. I shouldn't characterize him just as a TM critic; he's very learned and experienced in the field of spirituality, especially Eastern spirituality. Impressive dude. Also luscious. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
Actually, some of the hottest women on the planet are in their sixties. Believe me, I know one of them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Now you're talkin', authfriend. More, more. feste, for goodness sakes, I'm going to be 70 in a few months. There's something, well, *unseemly* about your enthusiastic curiosity here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKk00OYKhU There ya go. That was really just the body, though, which I thought was very nice. I like a little hair on a man's chest. (There's a personal glimpse for you, feste.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Because it's much more personal than what you usually post here. Gives me a glimpse of the person behind the post. Don't think it tells you much. And I've commented about attractive men before from time to time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Interesting to get a clue as to what sort of man authfriend finds attractive. Why?? I suspect most women would find him at least good-looking. He's pretty conventionally handsome. (Even Rick remarked on that in one of his posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I rather suspect he knows he's a hunk and wouldn't be aghast to find folks commenting favorably on his looks. He's most likely used to it and doesn't care as long as they also appreciate him for his mind. ;-) In any case, he's certainly out of *my* reach on a number of grounds, so his wife has nothing to fear. If he's within *your* reach, I can understand why you'd want to be circumspect. But feel free to pass on to him that you've run into an admirer-at-a-distance of his on FFL... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: He has a wife and kids. As he should. End of story. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Judy, control yourself. You of all people know we are communicating on a very open message board. Only out of reach, fantasy people we can comment on who has male beauty. This is too close to a circle of peeps of people who know peeps, to give an honest observational opinion. Interesting man specimen. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Hey, obba, you and I seem to have similar tastes in male beauty. Have a look at this--it's an interview with Dana Sawyer (a former TMer turned TM critic) on Rick's Buddha at the Gas Pump series: http://batgap.com/dana-sawyer/ Oy. Great smile, very engaging and articulate. Love the broken nose. Whew, and *smart*. I shouldn't characterize him just as a TM critic; he's very learned and experienced in the field of spirituality, especially Eastern spirituality. Impressive dude. Also luscious. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Actually, some of the hottest women on the planet are in their sixties. Believe me, I know one of them. So does my boyfriend. ;-) But what's unseemly isn't my hotness, it's your curiosity about what I find hot in men. I mean, you could always send me your photo if you really wanted to know... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Now you're talkin', authfriend. More, more. feste, for goodness sakes, I'm going to be 70 in a few months. There's something, well, *unseemly* about your enthusiastic curiosity here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKk00OYKhU There ya go. That was really just the body, though, which I thought was very nice. I like a little hair on a man's chest. (There's a personal glimpse for you, feste.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Because it's much more personal than what you usually post here. Gives me a glimpse of the person behind the post. Don't think it tells you much. And I've commented about attractive men before from time to time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Interesting to get a clue as to what sort of man authfriend finds attractive. Why?? I suspect most women would find him at least good-looking. He's pretty conventionally handsome. (Even Rick remarked on that in one of his posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I rather suspect he knows he's a hunk and wouldn't be aghast to find folks commenting favorably on his looks. He's most likely used to it and doesn't care as long as they also appreciate him for his mind. ;-) In any case, he's certainly out of *my* reach on a number of grounds, so his wife has nothing to fear. If he's within *your* reach, I can understand why you'd want to be circumspect. But feel free to pass on to him that you've run into an admirer-at-a-distance of his on FFL... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: He has a wife and kids. As he should. End of story. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Judy, control yourself. You of all people know we are communicating on a very open message board. Only out of reach, fantasy people we can comment on who has male beauty. This is too close to a circle of peeps of people who know peeps, to give an honest observational opinion. Interesting man specimen. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Hey, obba, you and I seem to have similar tastes in male beauty. Have a look at this--it's an interview with Dana Sawyer (a former TMer turned TM critic) on Rick's Buddha at the Gas Pump series: http://batgap.com/dana-sawyer/ Oy. Great smile, very engaging and articulate. Love the broken nose. Whew, and *smart*. I shouldn't characterize him just as a TM critic; he's very learned and experienced in the field of spirituality, especially Eastern spirituality. Impressive dude. Also luscious. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
Who knows? I might even do that. Your witty reply made me laugh. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Actually, some of the hottest women on the planet are in their sixties. Believe me, I know one of them. So does my boyfriend. ;-) But what's unseemly isn't my hotness, it's your curiosity about what I find hot in men. I mean, you could always send me your photo if you really wanted to know... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Now you're talkin', authfriend. More, more. feste, for goodness sakes, I'm going to be 70 in a few months. There's something, well, *unseemly* about your enthusiastic curiosity here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKk00OYKhU There ya go. That was really just the body, though, which I thought was very nice. I like a little hair on a man's chest. (There's a personal glimpse for you, feste.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Because it's much more personal than what you usually post here. Gives me a glimpse of the person behind the post. Don't think it tells you much. And I've commented about attractive men before from time to time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Interesting to get a clue as to what sort of man authfriend finds attractive. Why?? I suspect most women would find him at least good-looking. He's pretty conventionally handsome. (Even Rick remarked on that in one of his posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I rather suspect he knows he's a hunk and wouldn't be aghast to find folks commenting favorably on his looks. He's most likely used to it and doesn't care as long as they also appreciate him for his mind. ;-) In any case, he's certainly out of *my* reach on a number of grounds, so his wife has nothing to fear. If he's within *your* reach, I can understand why you'd want to be circumspect. But feel free to pass on to him that you've run into an admirer-at-a-distance of his on FFL... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: He has a wife and kids. As he should. End of story. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Judy, control yourself. You of all people know we are communicating on a very open message board. Only out of reach, fantasy people we can comment on who has male beauty. This is too close to a circle of peeps of people who know peeps, to give an honest observational opinion. Interesting man specimen. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Hey, obba, you and I seem to have similar tastes in male beauty. Have a look at this--it's an interview with Dana Sawyer (a former TMer turned TM critic) on Rick's Buddha at the Gas Pump series: http://batgap.com/dana-sawyer/ Oy. Great smile, very engaging and articulate. Love the broken nose. Whew, and *smart*. I shouldn't characterize him just as a TM critic; he's very learned and experienced in the field of spirituality, especially Eastern spirituality. Impressive dude. Also luscious. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: FWIW, Vaj has also deleted quite a few of the posts he's made about Robin in the past (made before Robin joined us; Alex might know when he deleted them). I can do a search of the web activity log, but all it will show is the time and date of the deletion and the post number. It doesn't show the subject line of the deleted post. The post number lets me look up the posting time of the posts before and after the deletion, and referencing the alternate web archive for posts made in that time slot might bring up the deleted post. But, it's really tedious work. http://alex.natel.net/misc/vaj_deleted.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKk00OYKhU There ya go. That was really just the body, though, which I thought was very nice. I like a little hair on a man's chest. (There's a personal glimpse for you, feste.) I can just imagine the FBI file... Stein, Judith Female. Editor. Ex-smoker. Lives on Jersey Shore. Likes hunky, conventionally handsome men with a little chest hair.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'President Newt?'
Bhairitu: So why are we there? To help the Afghans get free from the Taliban? The United States and the West walked away from Afghanistan once before. When we did, the country became a base for religious fanatics who made the execution of women a sporting event and who eventually exported their violent ideology to American shores. You can despise war and nation building all you want. But if those fanatics take power once again, they won't be content to simply cut off the noses of disobedient Afghan women. Read more: 'Women will suffer if U.S. walks from Afghanistan' By Jonathan Gurwitz San Antonio Express-News, September 25, 2010 http://tinyurl.com/2de3xu3
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
Uncle fester was born in 1937? Just guessing. Exalted Shani is making its rounds in the Age of enlightenment. haha This is good stuff. Keep talking and sending haha. Judy is a hot almost 70 ish woman. No wonder Turq has given you the attention all these years. Now Fester? Is Christopher Plummer married? If he is not, Judy, you will have to invite me to witness a cocktail party rendezvous, with he and you. I will sit in the nearby banyan tree, peering through the branches and roots. Can't believe I wasted a post on this. hahaha. Always fun to chat with Judy. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Actually, some of the hottest women on the planet are in their sixties. Believe me, I know one of them. So does my boyfriend. ;-) But what's unseemly isn't my hotness, it's your curiosity about what I find hot in men. I mean, you could always send me your photo if you really wanted to know... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Now you're talkin', authfriend. More, more. feste, for goodness sakes, I'm going to be 70 in a few months. There's something, well, *unseemly* about your enthusiastic curiosity here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKk00OYKhU There ya go. That was really just the body, though, which I thought was very nice. I like a little hair on a man's chest. (There's a personal glimpse for you, feste.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Because it's much more personal than what you usually post here. Gives me a glimpse of the person behind the post. Don't think it tells you much. And I've commented about attractive men before from time to time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Interesting to get a clue as to what sort of man authfriend finds attractive. Why?? I suspect most women would find him at least good-looking. He's pretty conventionally handsome. (Even Rick remarked on that in one of his posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I rather suspect he knows he's a hunk and wouldn't be aghast to find folks commenting favorably on his looks. He's most likely used to it and doesn't care as long as they also appreciate him for his mind. ;-) In any case, he's certainly out of *my* reach on a number of grounds, so his wife has nothing to fear. If he's within *your* reach, I can understand why you'd want to be circumspect. But feel free to pass on to him that you've run into an admirer-at-a-distance of his on FFL... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: He has a wife and kids. As he should. End of story. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Judy, control yourself. You of all people know we are communicating on a very open message board. Only out of reach, fantasy people we can comment on who has male beauty. This is too close to a circle of peeps of people who know peeps, to give an honest observational opinion. Interesting man specimen. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Hey, obba, you and I seem to have similar tastes in male beauty. Have a look at this--it's an interview with Dana Sawyer (a former TMer turned TM critic) on Rick's Buddha at the Gas Pump series: http://batgap.com/dana-sawyer/ Oy. Great smile, very engaging and articulate. Love the broken nose. Whew, and *smart*. I shouldn't characterize him just as a TM critic; he's very learned and experienced in the field of spirituality, especially Eastern spirituality. Impressive dude. Also luscious. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
Bloody hell, first MZ thinks I'm a girl and now you think I'm 74 years old!!! Obviously, I am going to have to retool my image on FFL. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Uncle fester was born in 1937? Just guessing. Exalted Shani is making its rounds in the Age of enlightenment. haha This is good stuff. Keep talking and sending haha. Judy is a hot almost 70 ish woman. No wonder Turq has given you the attention all these years. Now Fester? Is Christopher Plummer married? If he is not, Judy, you will have to invite me to witness a cocktail party rendezvous, with he and you. I will sit in the nearby banyan tree, peering through the branches and roots. Can't believe I wasted a post on this. hahaha. Always fun to chat with Judy. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Actually, some of the hottest women on the planet are in their sixties. Believe me, I know one of them. So does my boyfriend. ;-) But what's unseemly isn't my hotness, it's your curiosity about what I find hot in men. I mean, you could always send me your photo if you really wanted to know... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Now you're talkin', authfriend. More, more. feste, for goodness sakes, I'm going to be 70 in a few months. There's something, well, *unseemly* about your enthusiastic curiosity here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKk00OYKhU There ya go. That was really just the body, though, which I thought was very nice. I like a little hair on a man's chest. (There's a personal glimpse for you, feste.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Because it's much more personal than what you usually post here. Gives me a glimpse of the person behind the post. Don't think it tells you much. And I've commented about attractive men before from time to time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Interesting to get a clue as to what sort of man authfriend finds attractive. Why?? I suspect most women would find him at least good-looking. He's pretty conventionally handsome. (Even Rick remarked on that in one of his posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I rather suspect he knows he's a hunk and wouldn't be aghast to find folks commenting favorably on his looks. He's most likely used to it and doesn't care as long as they also appreciate him for his mind. ;-) In any case, he's certainly out of *my* reach on a number of grounds, so his wife has nothing to fear. If he's within *your* reach, I can understand why you'd want to be circumspect. But feel free to pass on to him that you've run into an admirer-at-a-distance of his on FFL... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: He has a wife and kids. As he should. End of story. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Judy, control yourself. You of all people know we are communicating on a very open message board. Only out of reach, fantasy people we can comment on who has male beauty. This is too close to a circle of peeps of people who know peeps, to give an honest observational opinion. Interesting man specimen. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Hey, obba, you and I seem to have similar tastes in male beauty. Have a look at this--it's an interview with Dana Sawyer (a former TMer turned TM critic) on Rick's Buddha at the Gas Pump series: http://batgap.com/dana-sawyer/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 1:42 PM, feste37 wrote: Well, that's interesting. I never liked rounding so did as little of it as possible. I can imagine that if people are cooped up all day doing that then they might get a bit reclusive for a while and find it difficult to get back into a more integrated lifestyle, but I would have thought such feelings would be very short-term. This was exactly my experience. Any discomfort, (and there was some) was indeed short term. Anything more serious, I would doubt were caused by long rounding, although the people may well be sincere in thinking that. I suspect there must be some other underlying issues in such cases that have nothing to do with TM. I believe there is a cause effect relationship in this case, just having observed the weird hypersensitivities in various rounders or hardcore sidhas. I think it's important to distinguish between meditation forms that help samskaras be dissolved and those that plant sattvic seeds in the mind to overwhelm the rajasic and tamasic weeds. One method is like planting many flowers in a garden so that they overwhelm the weeds to the point they're barely noticeable, the other is like dissolving the weeds at the roots so the garden's already present state can emerge.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
That's okay to like older woman than you. The 37 in your username, my bad in thinking it was the year you were born. I have not hunted down pics of you to see you in a little pink dress. Ravi and the Turq think I am a girl! Bhahaha Ravi is probably a midget named Anthony, born to Italian parents. The Turq is most likely a blue blood born in the Australian outback while his parents were on an expedition to study the migration habits of kangaroo and boomerang tossing by aboriginal natives. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Bloody hell, first MZ thinks I'm a girl and now you think I'm 74 years old!!! Obviously, I am going to have to retool my image on FFL. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Uncle fester was born in 1937? Just guessing. Exalted Shani is making its rounds in the Age of enlightenment. haha This is good stuff. Keep talking and sending haha. Judy is a hot almost 70 ish woman. No wonder Turq has given you the attention all these years. Now Fester? Is Christopher Plummer married? If he is not, Judy, you will have to invite me to witness a cocktail party rendezvous, with he and you. I will sit in the nearby banyan tree, peering through the branches and roots. Can't believe I wasted a post on this. hahaha. Always fun to chat with Judy. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Actually, some of the hottest women on the planet are in their sixties. Believe me, I know one of them. So does my boyfriend. ;-) But what's unseemly isn't my hotness, it's your curiosity about what I find hot in men. I mean, you could always send me your photo if you really wanted to know... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Now you're talkin', authfriend. More, more. feste, for goodness sakes, I'm going to be 70 in a few months. There's something, well, *unseemly* about your enthusiastic curiosity here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKk00OYKhU There ya go. That was really just the body, though, which I thought was very nice. I like a little hair on a man's chest. (There's a personal glimpse for you, feste.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Because it's much more personal than what you usually post here. Gives me a glimpse of the person behind the post. Don't think it tells you much. And I've commented about attractive men before from time to time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Interesting to get a clue as to what sort of man authfriend finds attractive. Why?? I suspect most women would find him at least good-looking. He's pretty conventionally handsome. (Even Rick remarked on that in one of his posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I rather suspect he knows he's a hunk and wouldn't be aghast to find folks commenting favorably on his looks. He's most likely used to it and doesn't care as long as they also appreciate him for his mind. ;-) In any case, he's certainly out of *my* reach on a number of grounds, so his wife has nothing to fear. If he's within *your* reach, I can understand why you'd want to be circumspect. But feel free to pass on to him that you've run into an admirer-at-a-distance of his on FFL... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: He has a wife and kids. As he should. End of story. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Judy, control yourself. You of all people know we are communicating on a very open message board. Only out of reach, fantasy people
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'President Newt?'
Robert: I still disagree with you, in that I heard that there is a major oil pipeline there being built that goes across Afghanistan into Turkey. Gawd, I hope so, instead of building it to China! What we really need is some shovel-ready jobs in America, like pipelines, so we can continue to provide the energy we need. Let's hope the Obama admin can figure out that it's much better to build a pipeline over here so we can get more independent from that middle eastern oil. You probably burn Saudi oil in your car, but I only use Texaco - I get almost all my oil from either Spindletop or from the Permian Basin. Senate Republicans have come up with a fresh rationale for allowing a controversial oil pipeline to be built across middle America: It's a shovel-ready job creator... Wall Street Journal: http://tinyurl.com/d7l3r8y 'Eagle Ford Shale activity helping to reduce unemployment' San Antonio Business Journal: http://tinyurl.com/cusxuwc
