[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: It isn't that it is outfoxing science. It is a work of art by any standard and it isn't cool to destroy it because of a superstition. Science came through on dating it, so unless Jesus lived in the middle ages, it isn't him. Exactly. Fascinating that some in this discussion have blotted that fact out. The Shroud of Turin was a fake in the middle ages, and it's one now. How the fake was manufactured is rather a moot point. One can claim anything. Even that one is or was at one time enlightened. Claiming don't make it so. We need cold, hard, scientific proof, relics like the Shroud of Robin or the Shroud of Ravi or the Shroud of Jimbo. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The vedic gods (WITZEL)
'Paradigm shift' in history? I MICHAEL WITZEL
Frawley may `love' India all the way he wants, but if he
really wants to understand, he must at least begin to study
the required sciences, be they anthropology, linguistics,
philology, biology or geography. Of course, he does not see
the need as he already knows the `secrets' of the Veda.
IN MY last contribution (Open Page, February 11, 18), I
mentioned the battle for the soul of India, and N. S.
Rajaram (March 18) actually echoes this by pointing out that
the history of ancient India is now in the midst of a major
debate. However, what had started as a serious discussion
in Open Page in January 2002, has now deteriorated, with D.
Frawley's (a.k.a. Vamadeva Shastri) last contribution of
March 4, to email-like loudness and abuse, without any
answer to the criticism offered, due to lack of arguments.
Again, he quotes selectively — the oldest trick in the book
and twists words, like the run of the mill American tort
lawyer. Ad hominem attacks always are an admission of
weakness, which I trust readers have noticed. Such
diatribes, insinuations, and prevarications are not really
worth a detailed rebuttal and I have deliberated on this
during a long trip across the Pacific. Yet, an answer seems
necessary, after all, in view of the actual defamation
contained in Frawley's outpourings, before we can move on to
the intellectual topic in question: the presently propagated
innovative, paradigm shifting view of Indian history
(Frawley, Rajaram, et al.)
Frawley's piece betrays a large degree of personalisation.
As a historian of ideas, I write about content, not about
persons. I am not interested in the ephemeral Vamadevas,
Rajarams, or Talageris of the present decade. They only get
dragged in when they propose particularly outrageous
unscientific ideas that damage scholarly research and
thus, incidentally, the international standing of India.
This stance has earned me some hatred, daily seen in my
email, often with attached destructive viruses, but so be
it.
Insinuation
In Frawley et al.'s battle apparently all means are right.
They are extremely happy to have found one simple
translation mistake in 30 years of publications (which
rather concerns a point of interpretation, where scholars
have differed, see EJVS 7-3 and 7-4
(http://users.primushost.com/{cedil}india/ejvs/issues.html).
Frawley's characterisations are often due to ignorance of my
work: Witzel's background is purely as a linguist. Just a
brief look at my web site
(http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/{cedil}witzel/mwpage.htm)
could have taught him otherwise. The same holds for: (He
has) (n)ever written about Indian culture or Bharatiya
samskriti in a positive light. All too often, Frawley has
received his wisdom in pre-distilled email messages of his
friends that lead to his misconceptions. He insinuates that
I have (only) recently done some articles on the Vedic
religion (actually, since 1972), to show what it really
was and to counter the many distortions about it that exist
today (probably made by Hindus!). Insinuation, again:
scholars are concerned, on and off, with distortions that
are found in books and even on the web, from wherever they
may come. In sum: his is an omnium gatherum of selective
quotes with very polemic aims, a procedure also favoured by
his friend Rajaram (below).
Frawley now even tries denunciation with the Government,
complaining about the numerous contemptuous remarks that
Witzel makes against Indians, Hindus, India and the Indian
government. Like his self-centred friends, he confuses
criticism of the Golden Age fantasies of certain writers
like him with that of all Hindus, all Indians, or the Indian
Government.
Frawley claims to be at the very centre of Indian/Hindu
tradition, to be a Vedic Pandit and Astrologer. As such, he
already knows what the Veda says. By contrast we, the
philologists, are engaged in a constant endeavour to come
ever closer to the original (not just the medieval) meaning
of the texts. However, for all of his Vaidika training, he
still has not understood where he comes from: out of
America, that is from a culture where mothers have to keep
telling their children I love you and where some of these
may complain my mother never told me that she loved me.
Imagine this in Asia or Europe, where nobody would think it
necessary to say so, as it is tacitly understood, expected,
and experienced daily. Action, not empty, perfunctory
assertion, counts. However, Americans, be they Tom, Dick or
George II, need constant reassurance: Your dress, your
book, your country is great! And, we are on your side! No
wonder then that Frawley constantly insists on verbally
expressing his love for India and that he misses such
empty assertions in my writing. In my own local German
culture such flattery is commonly regarded as the (polite)
lie that it is, and it is viewed with
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Sent from my iPad On Dec 22, 2011, at 8:34 AM, zarzari_786 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: We know now, that we can rely on your account in the full sense, only we have to be able to read it with our own inner being. I write this from my own inner being, and I know, dear Vaj Ji, that you also know this, and I am thus, with all our differnces, in total harmony with your atheist soul. Well thanks for the sentiment, but I'm not ashamed to tell you, I'm not an atheist. I do believe gods to exist in some form, whether as a homo sapien neural glitch or some different sentient life form, we just increase our own suffering and the suffering of others on this glorious sphere by bending knee to them, even if they claim to be your One and Only...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Sent from my iPad On Dec 22, 2011, at 9:02 AM, zarzari_786 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: When Judy doesn't get the irony, that means I'm getting too transcendentally ironic. I am sure, Robin, that Judy knows about irony and it's uses here. She has asserted here, that the claim, that it was just fun or irony, would have been only an excuse for back-paddeling, but I am sure this is not the case here. The funny thing is Judy's been on the irony board so many times that she no longer requires starch. She doesn't seem to even notice. I've always likened it to someone with an ugly boogar on their face bragging of their good looks - only one side gets the joke! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: The whole idea fascinates me in a different way. It is a window into human beliefs. Since it came from an age of relics being sold, it has the mystical credibility of a sideshow three headed dog in a bottle of formaldehyde in the back of a carnival tent. Step right up folks, Jesus' burial shroud, with his image as clear as a painting of Elvis on velvet, step right up. I saw some saint's relics in a monastery I visited. Some fingernails and cloth of some saints. Leftovers from the time the rich paid for indulgences to get out of purgatory quicker. This shroud has a context of the flim flamery of an era of relics sold for cash. It is a version of Jesus on the toast sold on ebay. That is *exactly* how such relics worked back in the day, and continue to work these days. I know people who went to see the Shroud of Turin during its recent showing in Italy, and they claim that they got some kind of darshan-like hit off of it. Then again, the same people would have me believe that Maharishi could levitate, so there you are. :-) I haven't seen the Shroud of Turin, but I have seen Mary Magdalene's skull. It's enclosed in a gold reliquary and usually kept in a crypt in the church of St. Maximinin la Saint Baume in France, but they bring it out and put it up on show once a year, and I happened to be there, so I checked it out. It's a big, ornately carved golden container with a little window in it, through which you can see a blackened, crumbling skull. If that's Magdalene, she's looked better. But still, seekers were ooohing and aaahing about it as if it were the woman herself, passing out darshan to passersby the same way Nespresso reps pass out free cups of their coffee in appliance stores at Christmastime. [http://www.picknettprince.com/books/marymagdalene/mm-magdalene_skull-we\ b.jpg] I can only assume that the enlightened ones who grace us with their non-attached and non-reactive presence on Fairfield Life are planning ahead for their *own* reliquaries. Someday, the longest-lived of us can journey to some sacred spot to bask in the radiance and Wonderful Woo of Jimbo's toenail clippings, or a handkerchief once sneezed into by Saint Robin. Hey, don't laugh. We've already had Maharishi's sweat-stained footwear offered up to the faithful here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Third Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula
On Dec 23, 2011, at 2:22 AM, maskedzebra wrote: Rather than just list three areas in which [I] no longer have the ability to become One with [my] environment, and those [I] interact with, I am going to give you ten. Oh joy. Still not much better than the Encyclicals to Curtis vols. I - V, even though somewhat shorter. I'd give it a 4 on the Dancing in Your Own Pain scale. FYI a 4 usually involves stubbing the great toe while attempting to dance, sans pain. Irony again. Before the wash was done. Shalst we ever see the Sutras of Robindra?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shroud of Turin Image
On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:56 PM, John wrote: Scientists from Italy say the image was created by ultraviolet light. How can that be? http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/scientists-turin-shroud-image- created-ultraviolet-lasers-182107870.html That's the real reason they're called the Illuminati. Shush! Tell no one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
I just knew there had to be one of these out there. Jesus's flatpick: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/lifestyle/kerusso-pick-jesus-necklace http://www.musiciansfriend.com/lifestyle/kerusso-pick-jesus-necklace :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The whole idea fascinates me in a different way. It is a window into human beliefs. Since it came from an age of relics being sold, it has the mystical credibility of a sideshow three headed dog in a bottle of formaldehyde in the back of a carnival tent. Step right up folks, Jesus' burial shroud, with his image as clear as a painting of Elvis on velvet, step right up. I saw some saint's relics in a monastery I visited. Some fingernails and cloth of some saints. Leftovers from the time the rich paid for indulgences to get out of purgatory quicker. This shroud has a context of the flim flamery of an era of relics sold for cash. It is a version of Jesus on the toast sold on ebay. That is *exactly* how such relics worked back in the day, and continue to work these days. I know people who went to see the Shroud of Turin during its recent showing in Italy, and they claim that they got some kind of darshan-like hit off of it. Then again, the same people would have me believe that Maharishi could levitate, so there you are. :-) I haven't seen the Shroud of Turin, but I have seen Mary Magdalene's skull. It's enclosed in a gold reliquary and usually kept in a crypt in the church of St. Maximinin la Saint Baume in France, but they bring it out and put it up on show once a year, and I happened to be there, so I checked it out. It's a big, ornately carved golden container with a little window in it, through which you can see a blackened, crumbling skull. If that's Magdalene, she's looked better. But still, seekers were ooohing and aaahing about it as if it were the woman herself, passing out darshan to passersby the same way Nespresso reps pass out free cups of their coffee in appliance stores at Christmastime. [http://www.picknettprince.com/books/marymagdalene/mm-magdalene_skull-we\ \ b.jpg] I can only assume that the enlightened ones who grace us with their non-attached and non-reactive presence on Fairfield Life are planning ahead for their *own* reliquaries. Someday, the longest-lived of us can journey to some sacred spot to bask in the radiance and Wonderful Woo of Jimbo's toenail clippings, or a handkerchief once sneezed into by Saint Robin. Hey, don't laugh. We've already had Maharishi's sweat-stained footwear offered up to the faithful here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
When Judy doesn't get the irony, that means I'm getting too transcendentally ironic. I am sure, Robin, that Judy knows about irony and it's uses here. She has asserted here, that the claim, that it was just fun or irony, would have been only an excuse for back-paddeling, but I am sure this is not the case here. Vaj: The funny thing is Judy's been on the irony board so many times that she no longer requires starch. She doesn't seem to even notice. I've always likened it to someone with an ugly boogar on their face bragging of their good looks - only one side gets the joke! :-) I'll tell you what's ironic - Vaj and Turq still posting here after the waxing they recently took from Judy and Robin! LoL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: At Last
Beyonce really nailed that movie. I am not a fan of her undistinctive voice, but short of Etta herself, who had the missing grit, she did a great job in Cadillac Man. And remember when she sang it for our new president back when he was gunna close Guantanamo? But this performance by Jennifer Hudson made me a fan. I learned so much about vocal story telling from this song. I had heard this song so many times before and never really understood it till she served it up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3lTXB4t2so --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Can we dedicate this tune to Etta James who originally sang it?. Beyonce gives her own rendition as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORbF--V3_eQfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
Sort of violent imagery for a piece of cloth don't ya think? But I understand that if the boy will just keep his mouth shut a little longer, the tailor's check can clear before the king figures it out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Choke it to death, Curtis. Kill it. Hang and quarter it. Bury it at the bottom of the ocean. Have vultures eat its bones. Grind it into dust. Spit it out. Hammer it into tiny pieces. Ban it. Throw rocks at it. Stab its eyes out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I don't know who's image is on the shroud, though I find it amazing that such a thing persists in outfoxing the most delicate and sophisticated analysis our physical science can produce. It isn't that it is outfoxing science. It is a work of art by any standard and it isn't cool to destroy it because of a superstition. Science came through on dating it, so unless Jesus lived in the middle ages, it isn't him. Its interesting from a perspective of what researchers continue to find out about the cloth itself and its charismatic image. Who cares if someone says its Jesus? Could be, but who cares? Not really the issue. I think it really is. If it wasn't being protected as a relic they would be able to take enough samples to answer more questions. Superstition is protecting this work of art and it is being treated differently because of that. It is really ONLY the superstition connection that makes it a matter of interest at all. That period of history was full of relics that just didn't get preserved to make it to our time. They still cannot identify how the image was made. That is mysterious and lively and interesting to me. Whether or not such an image is Jesus is impossible to prove, and far less interesting. The whole idea fascinates me in a different way. It is a window into human beliefs. Since it came from an age of relics being sold, it has the mystical credibility of a sideshow three headed dog in a bottle of formaldehyde in the back of a carnival tent. Step right up folks, Jesus' burial shroud, with his image as clear as a painting of Elvis on velvet, step right up. I saw some saint's relics in a monastery I visited. Some fingernails and cloth of some saints. Leftovers from the time the rich paid for indulgences to get out of purgatory quicker. This shroud has a context of the flim flamery of an era of relics sold for cash. It is a version of Jesus on the toast sold on ebay. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Excellent example of the misuse of science to promote a magical agenda. These guys didn't examine the shroud at Oxford. What they are doing is: The results show a short and intense burst of UV directional radiation can colour a linen cloth so as to reproduce many of the peculiar characteristics of the body image on the Shroud of Turin,' the scientists said OK, so lets take them at their word. Some of the pecular charactoristics of the image on the shroud can be duplicated by another process only found today. Real scientists might conclude that since ths technology was not around either in Jesus' time or when the Shroud was probably made, 12601390 AD, then this was probably not how the shroud was made. Oh wait, its Christmas time. Sorry. The need for Christmas miracle stories to feed the hoards trumps all! Ok, I'm onboard now. We don't know what it was that caused the image... so it was aliens. No sorry, it was magic Jesus. Jesus was magic and made a magic cloth with his magicness and now we have evidence of magical things happening at this magical time of the year. Long as I get my pfeffernuesse cookies I'll keep my mouth shut. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: There's probably another explanation. Maybe the body naturally releases chemicals or certain auras after death that appear to come from ultraviolet light. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: The person under the shroud created light tuned to that frequency, leaving its impression on the fabric. Sounds like a sidha at work.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Scientists from Italy say the image was created by ultraviolet light. How can that be? http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/scientists-turin-shroud-image-created-ultraviolet-lasers-182107870.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
Long as I get my pfeffernuesse cookies I'll keep my mouth shut. Alex Stanley: Certainly, you can keep your mouth shut, but it would be best to open your wallet and get a Maharishi Pfeffernuesse Cookie Yagya to maximize the fulfillment of your desire. That's funny - how much of your wallet have you, Petra, Curtis, and your brother, donated to the TMO - a million dollars by now? You'd think that you guys could get at least a free Maharishi 'Pfeffernuesse Cookie Yagya'. LoL
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Ecrasez l'infame! That's more like it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I don't know who's image is on the shroud, though I find it amazing that such a thing persists in outfoxing the most delicate and sophisticated analysis our physical science can produce. It isn't that it is outfoxing science. It is a work of art by any standard and it isn't cool to destroy it because of a superstition. Science came through on dating it, so unless Jesus lived in the middle ages, it isn't him. Its interesting from a perspective of what researchers continue to find out about the cloth itself and its charismatic image. Who cares if someone says its Jesus? Could be, but who cares? Not really the issue. I think it really is. If it wasn't being protected as a relic they would be able to take enough samples to answer more questions. Superstition is protecting this work of art and it is being treated differently because of that. It is really ONLY the superstition connection that makes it a matter of interest at all. That period of history was full of relics that just didn't get preserved to make it to our time. They still cannot identify how the image was made. That is mysterious and lively and interesting to me. Whether or not such an image is Jesus is impossible to prove, and far less interesting. The whole idea fascinates me in a different way. It is a window into human beliefs. Since it came from an age of relics being sold, it has the mystical credibility of a sideshow three headed dog in a bottle of formaldehyde in the back of a carnival tent. Step right up folks, Jesus' burial shroud, with his image as clear as a painting of Elvis on velvet, step right up. I saw some saint's relics in a monastery I visited. Some fingernails and cloth of some saints. Leftovers from the time the rich paid for indulgences to get out of purgatory quicker. This shroud has a context of the flim flamery of an era of relics sold for cash. It is a version of Jesus on the toast sold on ebay. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Excellent example of the misuse of science to promote a magical agenda. These guys didn't examine the shroud at Oxford. What they are doing is: The results show a short and intense burst of UV directional radiation can colour a linen cloth so as to reproduce many of the peculiar characteristics of the body image on the Shroud of Turin,' the scientists said OK, so lets take them at their word. Some of the pecular charactoristics of the image on the shroud can be duplicated by another process only found today. Real scientists might conclude that since ths technology was not around either in Jesus' time or when the Shroud was probably made, 12601390 AD, then this was probably not how the shroud was made. Oh wait, its Christmas time. Sorry. The need for Christmas miracle stories to feed the hoards trumps all! Ok, I'm onboard now. We don't know what it was that caused the image... so it was aliens. No sorry, it was magic Jesus. Jesus was magic and made a magic cloth with his magicness and now we have evidence of magical things happening at this magical time of the year. Long as I get my pfeffernuesse cookies I'll keep my mouth shut. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: There's probably another explanation. Maybe the body naturally releases chemicals or certain auras after death that appear to come from ultraviolet light. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: The person under the shroud created light tuned to that frequency, leaving its impression on the fabric. Sounds like a sidha at work.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Scientists from Italy say the image was created by ultraviolet light. How can that be? http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/scientists-turin-shroud-image-created-ultraviolet-lasers-182107870.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: No matter how you cut it, there will always be arguments for both sides. If the shroud really came from the body of Jesus in the tomb, then the Christians would have stronger reason to believe so after this scientific finding. For skeptics, the finding would only raise more questions which can't be answered as of now. The Turin Shroud a photograph of Resurrection? With the recent discovery by Italian scientists of an image on the reverse side of the Turin Shroud, the debate over its authenticity has been reawakened. The newly-found image is fainter, yet identical to the well-known image on the opposite side. Both images are only visible on the uppermost fibres of the fabric and not within the textile itself. It is extremely difficult to make a fake with these features, said scientist Giulio Fanti. Benjamin Creme's information about the Turin Shroud throws light on the process by which it was made. He also explains that the Shroud is yet another of the many miracles or signs which herald the emergence of Maitreya the World Teacher awaited by people of all faiths. Benjamin Creme: There is a process in photography called ionisation ... The high spiritual down-flow from the Christ into the body of the Disciple Jesus caused the ionisation effect and produced a negative on the Shroud and in this way it is, as it were, scorched on to the Shroud, but only on the surface ... The image on it was deposited intentionally and left there for future generations to hold to the reality of resurrection, because that is what the gospel story is about ... The Shroud defies all such analysis and theories, and shows an awareness of the practical technique of crucifixion (for example, the nails are clearly seen through the wrist and ankle bones and not as depicted in every religious painting to this day through the hands and feet) ... If we accept that the Shroud is of a man crucified in Roman fashion, the question arises: why is this the only one of its kind? ... I suggest it is precisely because of its unique image and unique origin. The process an esoteric explanation I personally believe that [the Turin Shroud] is absolutely authentic, that it is the shroud in which the body of Jesus was wrapped after the crucifixion. The image on it was deposited intentionally and left there for future generations to hold to the reality of resurrection, because that is what the gospel story is about. The gospel story is not about crucifixion. It is about resurrection The interesting thing about the Shroud, from my point of view, is how the image was made. The Christ resurrected the body of the Disciple Jesus. When the body was laid in the tomb, the consciousness of the Christ, Maitreya, once again entered into the body of the Disciple Jesus and brought it back to life, not only that; but also Resurrected it. He shook loose, by the down-flow of tremendous spiritual energy into the now dead body of Jesus, the atomic particles of matter, reconstituted these, and brought into that body matter of sub-atomic vibrational rate, that is, matter which is literally light. The effect of that on the body was one of intense radiation and it was that radiation which produced what is called an ionisation effect of the image on the Shroud. There is a process in photography called ionisation. When a photographer wants to transfer a negative image to a positive image, or vice versa, he takes the plate and puts it under very high frequency usually X-rays. The effect of this high-frequency ray bombardment is to ionise the plate so that when it is developed you get the opposite of what you would expect to find. Whatever should be light becomes dark, and whatever should be dark becomes light. The high spiritual down-flow from the Christ into the body of the Disciple Jesus caused the ionisation effect and produced a negative on the shroud and in this way it is, as it were, scorched on to the Shroud, but only on the surface. It is exact, in a way that no photograph could be, and it appeared whether the Shroud touched the body or not. It was an ionisation of all aspects of the body, with the wounds and the blood and everything else. So you get an exact facsimile which the space scientists in America have been able to reproduce as a three-dimensional image on the computer. It obeys exactly the three-dimensional laws, and its coming to light now in this exact scientific manner is one of the signs that the Christ is in the world, although His coming into the world is not dependent on that sign. (From: The Reappearance of the Christ and the Masters of Wisdom, Tara Press, 1980) What happened to the Shroud after Jesus died? Immediately after Jesus' death the Shroud was retrieved from the tomb in which Jesus had been laid by three of His immediate followers and hidden for two years. Subsequently, it was shown, irregularly, to Christian pilgrims to Jerusalem. In the 6th century it was
[FairfieldLife] Rewarding Prayers
Neuroscience of Prayer. Thank ye God. http://www.univie.ac.at/mcogneu/lit/schjodt.PDF
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Tibetan meditation practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting though. Sitting around recently with adept people who work with and can see people's energy fields comparatively, the comment was that the Ravi Shankar AOL kriya people tend to have coarser chakra systems from the rawer kundalini that their pranayams give. The SRF (Yogananda) have sweeter cultivated systems and don't have that kind of evident coarseness at all with their kriyas, they seem to get nicer energy systems to work with. Ammachi people too have nicer working systems top to bottom. The TM people, are characteristically top lit while not connected much to the energy fields in their subtle bodies otherwise. Sometimes tremendous upper registers of their upper mental fields but not lit or home (integrated) much at all below that. Often the TM'ers seem not well embodied spiritually and often carry stuck flows in their energy fields. That's the comparing experience with it. That's actually true, it's the same kind of feedback I was getting when I moved out of TM. Later, through the spiritual work going on, that changed. It also corresponds with my experience. Yep, this person has been extrememely helpful to people here this way, Janet Sussman: http://www.timeportalpubs.com/sunpoint.htm In looking at it, for years TM meditators and their families in spiritual troubles with their own subtle spiritual physiology's have sought out help from her as spiritual things have got out of balance. Even with the top level TM folks. She has been an important resource out in the meditating community, along with the saints, healers and spiritual teachers coming through like John Douglas or the ladies. There are some other people here who are good at it too. However, these subtle system energetic troubles, even intermittent spiritual meditator depressions, rooted in the system, evidently get beyond the purview of just TM and TM-siddhis administrators. That Maharishi never really taught much about it makes one wonder how able he was with it; as in, even the enlightened can't know everything. Is interesting that M never cultivated or held out shakti-pat as a modality of his spiritual help. It wasn't his thing evidently. Neurol-plasticity and chakras? Integration enables us to be flexible and free; the lack of such connections promotes a life that is either rigid or chaotic, stuck and dull on the one hand or explosive and unpredictable on the other. With the connecting freedom of integration comes a sense of vitality and the ease of well-being. Without integration we can become imprisoned in behavioral rutsanxiety and depression, greed, obsession, and addiction. Dr Daniel Siegel, MD psychiatrist and author of Mindsight
[FairfieldLife] Another Pol Sighting in Iowa
Flip video created by Raunchydog while breaking the no texting while driving law: Michelle Bachmannâs 99 County Tour. http://youtu.be/4lkZwSji7wg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rewarding Prayers
Nice find Doug. I certainly would expect, considering the popularity of prayer, that there would be a measurable payoff. (Other than plane crashes which have a dismal prayer save record.) I was especially interested with the idea that by activating areas of the brain for future reward, someone might be able to get beyond their immediate compulsions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Neuroscience of Prayer. Thank ye God. http://www.univie.ac.at/mcogneu/lit/schjodt.PDF
[FairfieldLife] Prometheus trailer
Ridley Scott is a sometimes great filmmaker, but he got his start in advertising, so he is a genius at trailers. Here's his first trailer for the upcoming prequel to Alien, which manages to entice without giving away any of the plot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftuxbvGwiU Turn it up to 720p and go full screen. The trailer is so good, there is actually a trailer for the trailer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch_hhDLtrFE Check out the credits. Noomi Rapace (the original Girl With A Dragon Tattoo), Charlize Theron, Michael Fassbender, Guy Pearce, and Idris Elba. One to look forward to.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
Nabbie you are truly a marketer's dream aren't you! Is there nothing that gets caught in your incredulity filter? Prayer handkerchiefs? Reverend Moon's blessings? Actually there is one thing that activates your skepticism centers. It is skepticism itself that gets disabled by your complete skepticism about the process of doubting claims. Like a perfect root virus that hides under Windows, disabling each and every boot, your skepticism dll. By the time Windows is up and running there is no skeptical question that wont be invalidated on principle. And of course I must cop to my own bias in the opposite. I run the old car salesman's assumptions :If you assume a buyer is lying 100% of the time, you will be right 99 times! My favorite tell for people being deceptive is checking to see if their lips are moving. I would love to have us both hooked up to an MRI and have the experimenter tell us that he just bought a hide of the abominable snowman and then see what lights up inside. Given it a graphical image, mine would become a likeness of Bart Simpson and yours would resemble a Smurf. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: No matter how you cut it, there will always be arguments for both sides. If the shroud really came from the body of Jesus in the tomb, then the Christians would have stronger reason to believe so after this scientific finding. For skeptics, the finding would only raise more questions which can't be answered as of now. The Turin Shroud a photograph of Resurrection? With the recent discovery by Italian scientists of an image on the reverse side of the Turin Shroud, the debate over its authenticity has been reawakened. The newly-found image is fainter, yet identical to the well-known image on the opposite side. Both images are only visible on the uppermost fibres of the fabric and not within the textile itself. It is extremely difficult to make a fake with these features, said scientist Giulio Fanti. Benjamin Creme's information about the Turin Shroud throws light on the process by which it was made. He also explains that the Shroud is yet another of the many miracles or signs which herald the emergence of Maitreya the World Teacher awaited by people of all faiths. Benjamin Creme: There is a process in photography called ionisation ... The high spiritual down-flow from the Christ into the body of the Disciple Jesus caused the ionisation effect and produced a negative on the Shroud and in this way it is, as it were, scorched on to the Shroud, but only on the surface ... The image on it was deposited intentionally and left there for future generations to hold to the reality of resurrection, because that is what the gospel story is about ... The Shroud defies all such analysis and theories, and shows an awareness of the practical technique of crucifixion (for example, the nails are clearly seen through the wrist and ankle bones and not as depicted in every religious painting to this day through the hands and feet) ... If we accept that the Shroud is of a man crucified in Roman fashion, the question arises: why is this the only one of its kind? ... I suggest it is precisely because of its unique image and unique origin. The process an esoteric explanation I personally believe that [the Turin Shroud] is absolutely authentic, that it is the shroud in which the body of Jesus was wrapped after the crucifixion. The image on it was deposited intentionally and left there for future generations to hold to the reality of resurrection, because that is what the gospel story is about. The gospel story is not about crucifixion. It is about resurrection The interesting thing about the Shroud, from my point of view, is how the image was made. The Christ resurrected the body of the Disciple Jesus. When the body was laid in the tomb, the consciousness of the Christ, Maitreya, once again entered into the body of the Disciple Jesus and brought it back to life, not only that; but also Resurrected it. He shook loose, by the down-flow of tremendous spiritual energy into the now dead body of Jesus, the atomic particles of matter, reconstituted these, and brought into that body matter of sub-atomic vibrational rate, that is, matter which is literally light. The effect of that on the body was one of intense radiation and it was that radiation which produced what is called an ionisation effect of the image on the Shroud. There is a process in photography called ionisation. When a photographer wants to transfer a negative image to a positive image, or vice versa, he takes the plate and puts it under very high frequency usually X-rays. The effect of this high-frequency ray bombardment is to ionise the plate so that when it is developed you get the opposite of what you would expect to find. Whatever should be
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
Yow, that's a lot of chocolate! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I was just at TDs too - I took a chance and discovered their house brand Reposado is not bad, and they hooked me again with the 3-pack of milk chocolate bars at the checkout. Mostly its the restock on Oregon Chai/regular, (hard core, at least a dozen) that brings me in though. I'm a fool for their pound plus 72% chocolate bars. I consider it health food and a necessary daily vitamin.Their whole wheat hard pasta rocks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Trader Joes came through again, no yagya needed! But I always do get a wallet spanking when I hit the check out there. I only went for the Pfeffernuesse because they were out of Lebkuchen. If there was a yagya for that I might consider the magic route to fulfillment of desire. Some year I need to nail down that recipe and liberate myself. I do make a badass Stollen this time of year, even my German friend gives it the salute. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Long as I get my pfeffernuesse cookies I'll keep my mouth shut. Certainly, you can keep your mouth shut, but it would be best to open your wallet and get a Maharishi Pfeffernuesse Cookie Yagya to maximize the fulfillment of your desire.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
Sorry, I only give out my shroud to those who admit reading my posts, not cowards like...you.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It isn't that it is outfoxing science. It is a work of art by any standard and it isn't cool to destroy it because of a superstition. Science came through on dating it, so unless Jesus lived in the middle ages, it isn't him. Exactly. Fascinating that some in this discussion have blotted that fact out. The Shroud of Turin was a fake in the middle ages, and it's one now. How the fake was manufactured is rather a moot point. One can claim anything. Even that one is or was at one time enlightened. Claiming don't make it so. We need cold, hard, scientific proof, relics like the Shroud of Robin or the Shroud of Ravi or the Shroud of Jimbo. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Vajradhatu: The funny thing is Judy's been on the irony board so many times that she no longer requires starch. She doesn't seem to even notice. I've always likened it to someone with an ugly boogar on their face bragging of their good looks - only one side gets the joke! :-) RESPONSE: It's a strange thing, Vaj, but just when I thought I have figured you out, you burst forth with a prayer of noble-heartedness like this. I think most FFL readers might just miss the classiness of this remark, for it surely is the proofif we ever needed anyof your beautiful aristocratic manners. I should just say, by the way, until I read this, I had never really understood Judy; but with this analogy of the unrecognized boogar on the face, there for all to see, I feel you have entirely caught hold of Judy's problem. I wonder how I could have so underestimated Vajradhatu's patrician habit of being. So apposite is this image applied to Judy that I am thinking of just including it as a quote inside all my Christmas cards.That is to say if I have your permission. Graffiti for the soul, Vaj: this really has Merry Christmas all over it. Jesus, he is proud of you today.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
Ok - well I'll leave your cynicism to you, as well as the whole soap-boxy stand about relics, and continue to enjoy the shroud as a mystery that has confounded scientists for years. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I don't know who's image is on the shroud, though I find it amazing that such a thing persists in outfoxing the most delicate and sophisticated analysis our physical science can produce. It isn't that it is outfoxing science. It is a work of art by any standard and it isn't cool to destroy it because of a superstition. Science came through on dating it, so unless Jesus lived in the middle ages, it isn't him. Its interesting from a perspective of what researchers continue to find out about the cloth itself and its charismatic image. Who cares if someone says its Jesus? Could be, but who cares? Not really the issue. I think it really is. If it wasn't being protected as a relic they would be able to take enough samples to answer more questions. Superstition is protecting this work of art and it is being treated differently because of that. It is really ONLY the superstition connection that makes it a matter of interest at all. That period of history was full of relics that just didn't get preserved to make it to our time. They still cannot identify how the image was made. That is mysterious and lively and interesting to me. Whether or not such an image is Jesus is impossible to prove, and far less interesting. The whole idea fascinates me in a different way. It is a window into human beliefs. Since it came from an age of relics being sold, it has the mystical credibility of a sideshow three headed dog in a bottle of formaldehyde in the back of a carnival tent. Step right up folks, Jesus' burial shroud, with his image as clear as a painting of Elvis on velvet, step right up. I saw some saint's relics in a monastery I visited. Some fingernails and cloth of some saints. Leftovers from the time the rich paid for indulgences to get out of purgatory quicker. This shroud has a context of the flim flamery of an era of relics sold for cash. It is a version of Jesus on the toast sold on ebay. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Excellent example of the misuse of science to promote a magical agenda. These guys didn't examine the shroud at Oxford. What they are doing is: The results show a short and intense burst of UV directional radiation can colour a linen cloth so as to reproduce many of the peculiar characteristics of the body image on the Shroud of Turin,' the scientists said OK, so lets take them at their word. Some of the pecular charactoristics of the image on the shroud can be duplicated by another process only found today. Real scientists might conclude that since ths technology was not around either in Jesus' time or when the Shroud was probably made, 12601390 AD, then this was probably not how the shroud was made. Oh wait, its Christmas time. Sorry. The need for Christmas miracle stories to feed the hoards trumps all! Ok, I'm onboard now. We don't know what it was that caused the image... so it was aliens. No sorry, it was magic Jesus. Jesus was magic and made a magic cloth with his magicness and now we have evidence of magical things happening at this magical time of the year. Long as I get my pfeffernuesse cookies I'll keep my mouth shut. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: There's probably another explanation. Maybe the body naturally releases chemicals or certain auras after death that appear to come from ultraviolet light. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: The person under the shroud created light tuned to that frequency, leaving its impression on the fabric. Sounds like a sidha at work.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Scientists from Italy say the image was created by ultraviolet light. How can that be? http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/scientists-turin-shroud-image-created-ultraviolet-lasers-182107870.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
You are a very superstitious man, Curtisacting under the compulsion of your atheism. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I don't know who's image is on the shroud, though I find it amazing that such a thing persists in outfoxing the most delicate and sophisticated analysis our physical science can produce. It isn't that it is outfoxing science. It is a work of art by any standard and it isn't cool to destroy it because of a superstition. Science came through on dating it, so unless Jesus lived in the middle ages, it isn't him. Its interesting from a perspective of what researchers continue to find out about the cloth itself and its charismatic image. Who cares if someone says its Jesus? Could be, but who cares? Not really the issue. I think it really is. If it wasn't being protected as a relic they would be able to take enough samples to answer more questions. Superstition is protecting this work of art and it is being treated differently because of that. It is really ONLY the superstition connection that makes it a matter of interest at all. That period of history was full of relics that just didn't get preserved to make it to our time. They still cannot identify how the image was made. That is mysterious and lively and interesting to me. Whether or not such an image is Jesus is impossible to prove, and far less interesting. The whole idea fascinates me in a different way. It is a window into human beliefs. Since it came from an age of relics being sold, it has the mystical credibility of a sideshow three headed dog in a bottle of formaldehyde in the back of a carnival tent. Step right up folks, Jesus' burial shroud, with his image as clear as a painting of Elvis on velvet, step right up. I saw some saint's relics in a monastery I visited. Some fingernails and cloth of some saints. Leftovers from the time the rich paid for indulgences to get out of purgatory quicker. This shroud has a context of the flim flamery of an era of relics sold for cash. It is a version of Jesus on the toast sold on ebay. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Excellent example of the misuse of science to promote a magical agenda. These guys didn't examine the shroud at Oxford. What they are doing is: The results show a short and intense burst of UV directional radiation can colour a linen cloth so as to reproduce many of the peculiar characteristics of the body image on the Shroud of Turin,' the scientists said OK, so lets take them at their word. Some of the pecular charactoristics of the image on the shroud can be duplicated by another process only found today. Real scientists might conclude that since ths technology was not around either in Jesus' time or when the Shroud was probably made, 12601390 AD, then this was probably not how the shroud was made. Oh wait, its Christmas time. Sorry. The need for Christmas miracle stories to feed the hoards trumps all! Ok, I'm onboard now. We don't know what it was that caused the image... so it was aliens. No sorry, it was magic Jesus. Jesus was magic and made a magic cloth with his magicness and now we have evidence of magical things happening at this magical time of the year. Long as I get my pfeffernuesse cookies I'll keep my mouth shut. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: There's probably another explanation. Maybe the body naturally releases chemicals or certain auras after death that appear to come from ultraviolet light. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: The person under the shroud created light tuned to that frequency, leaving its impression on the fabric. Sounds like a sidha at work.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Scientists from Italy say the image was created by ultraviolet light. How can that be? http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/scientists-turin-shroud-image-created-ultraviolet-lasers-182107870.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mysterious Glow Before Kim's Death
Yes, however; It was the gates of Hell opening for Kim. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: We can assume this one is communist progaganda a la North Korean style. http://news.yahoo.com/nkorea-cites-mysterious-glow-just-kim-death-035745165.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Don't get upset Robin. Vaj is talking from the state of Nirvana. Buddha too would be extremely proud of what he did today. maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Friday, December 23, 2011 9:42 PM [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Vajradhatu: The funny thing is Judy's been on the irony board so many times that she no longer requires starch. She doesn't seem to even notice. I've always likened it to someone with an ugly boogar on their face bragging of their good looks - only one side gets the joke! :-) RESPONSE: It's a strange thing, Vaj, but just when I thought I have figured you out, you burst forth with a prayer of noble-heartedness like this. I think most FFL readers might just miss the classiness of this remark, for it surely is the proof—if we ever needed any—of your beautiful aristocratic manners. I should just say, by the way, until I read this, I had never really understood Judy; but with this analogy of the unrecognized boogar on the face, there for all to see, I feel you have entirely caught hold of Judy's problem. I wonder how I could have so underestimated Vajradhatu's patrician habit of being. So apposite is this image applied to Judy that I am thinking of just including it as a quote inside all my Christmas cards.—That is to say if I have your permission. Graffiti for the soul, Vaj: this really has Merry Christmas all over it. Jesus, he is proud of you today.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
Attaboy, Curtis. Eat them reductio Wheaties. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Nabbie you are truly a marketer's dream aren't you! Is there nothing that gets caught in your incredulity filter? Prayer handkerchiefs? Reverend Moon's blessings? Actually there is one thing that activates your skepticism centers. It is skepticism itself that gets disabled by your complete skepticism about the process of doubting claims. Like a perfect root virus that hides under Windows, disabling each and every boot, your skepticism dll. By the time Windows is up and running there is no skeptical question that wont be invalidated on principle. And of course I must cop to my own bias in the opposite. I run the old car salesman's assumptions :If you assume a buyer is lying 100% of the time, you will be right 99 times! My favorite tell for people being deceptive is checking to see if their lips are moving. I would love to have us both hooked up to an MRI and have the experimenter tell us that he just bought a hide of the abominable snowman and then see what lights up inside. Given it a graphical image, mine would become a likeness of Bart Simpson and yours would resemble a Smurf. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: No matter how you cut it, there will always be arguments for both sides. If the shroud really came from the body of Jesus in the tomb, then the Christians would have stronger reason to believe so after this scientific finding. For skeptics, the finding would only raise more questions which can't be answered as of now. The Turin Shroud a photograph of Resurrection? With the recent discovery by Italian scientists of an image on the reverse side of the Turin Shroud, the debate over its authenticity has been reawakened. The newly-found image is fainter, yet identical to the well-known image on the opposite side. Both images are only visible on the uppermost fibres of the fabric and not within the textile itself. It is extremely difficult to make a fake with these features, said scientist Giulio Fanti. Benjamin Creme's information about the Turin Shroud throws light on the process by which it was made. He also explains that the Shroud is yet another of the many miracles or signs which herald the emergence of Maitreya the World Teacher awaited by people of all faiths. Benjamin Creme: There is a process in photography called ionisation ... The high spiritual down-flow from the Christ into the body of the Disciple Jesus caused the ionisation effect and produced a negative on the Shroud and in this way it is, as it were, scorched on to the Shroud, but only on the surface ... The image on it was deposited intentionally and left there for future generations to hold to the reality of resurrection, because that is what the gospel story is about ... The Shroud defies all such analysis and theories, and shows an awareness of the practical technique of crucifixion (for example, the nails are clearly seen through the wrist and ankle bones and not as depicted in every religious painting to this day through the hands and feet) ... If we accept that the Shroud is of a man crucified in Roman fashion, the question arises: why is this the only one of its kind? ... I suggest it is precisely because of its unique image and unique origin. The process an esoteric explanation I personally believe that [the Turin Shroud] is absolutely authentic, that it is the shroud in which the body of Jesus was wrapped after the crucifixion. The image on it was deposited intentionally and left there for future generations to hold to the reality of resurrection, because that is what the gospel story is about. The gospel story is not about crucifixion. It is about resurrection The interesting thing about the Shroud, from my point of view, is how the image was made. The Christ resurrected the body of the Disciple Jesus. When the body was laid in the tomb, the consciousness of the Christ, Maitreya, once again entered into the body of the Disciple Jesus and brought it back to life, not only that; but also Resurrected it. He shook loose, by the down-flow of tremendous spiritual energy into the now dead body of Jesus, the atomic particles of matter, reconstituted these, and brought into that body matter of sub-atomic vibrational rate, that is, matter which is literally light. The effect of that on the body was one of intense radiation and it was that radiation which produced what is called an ionisation effect of the image on the Shroud. There is a process in photography called ionisation. When a photographer wants to transfer a negative image to a positive image, or vice versa, he takes the plate and puts it under
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Nabbie you are truly a marketer's dream aren't you! Is there nothing that gets caught in your incredulity filter? Prayer handkerchiefs? Reverend Moon's blessings? You obvioysly haven't read the article Curtis. Your HillBilly-music includes Christmas songs I presume - do that rather, and Merry Christmas to you ! The Turin Shroud a photograph of Resurrection? With the recent discovery by Italian scientists of an image on the reverse side of the Turin Shroud, the debate over its authenticity has been reawakened. The newly-found image is fainter, yet identical to the well-known image on the opposite side. Both images are only visible on the uppermost fibres of the fabric and not within the textile itself. It is extremely difficult to make a fake with these features, said scientist Giulio Fanti. Benjamin Creme's information about the Turin Shroud throws light on the process by which it was made. He also explains that the Shroud is yet another of the many miracles or signs which herald the emergence of Maitreya the World Teacher awaited by people of all faiths. Benjamin Creme: There is a process in photography called ionisation ... The high spiritual down-flow from the Christ into the body of the Disciple Jesus caused the ionisation effect and produced a negative on the Shroud and in this way it is, as it were, scorched on to the Shroud, but only on the surface ... The image on it was deposited intentionally and left there for future generations to hold to the reality of resurrection, because that is what the gospel story is about ... The Shroud defies all such analysis and theories, and shows an awareness of the practical technique of crucifixion (for example, the nails are clearly seen through the wrist and ankle bones and not as depicted in every religious painting to this day through the hands and feet) ... If we accept that the Shroud is of a man crucified in Roman fashion, the question arises: why is this the only one of its kind? ... I suggest it is precisely because of its unique image and unique origin. The process an esoteric explanation I personally believe that [the Turin Shroud] is absolutely authentic, that it is the shroud in which the body of Jesus was wrapped after the crucifixion. The image on it was deposited intentionally and left there for future generations to hold to the reality of resurrection, because that is what the gospel story is about. The gospel story is not about crucifixion. It is about resurrection The interesting thing about the Shroud, from my point of view, is how the image was made. The Christ resurrected the body of the Disciple Jesus. When the body was laid in the tomb, the consciousness of the Christ, Maitreya, once again entered into the body of the Disciple Jesus and brought it back to life, not only that; but also Resurrected it. He shook loose, by the down-flow of tremendous spiritual energy into the now dead body of Jesus, the atomic particles of matter, reconstituted these, and brought into that body matter of sub-atomic vibrational rate, that is, matter which is literally light. The effect of that on the body was one of intense radiation and it was that radiation which produced what is called an ionisation effect of the image on the Shroud. There is a process in photography called ionisation. When a photographer wants to transfer a negative image to a positive image, or vice versa, he takes the plate and puts it under very high frequency usually X-rays. The effect of this high-frequency ray bombardment is to ionise the plate so that when it is developed you get the opposite of what you would expect to find. Whatever should be light becomes dark, and whatever should be dark becomes light. The high spiritual down-flow from the Christ into the body of the Disciple Jesus caused the ionisation effect and produced a negative on the shroud and in this way it is, as it were, scorched on to the Shroud, but only on the surface. It is exact, in a way that no photograph could be, and it appeared whether the Shroud touched the body or not. It was an ionisation of all aspects of the body, with the wounds and the blood and everything else. So you get an exact facsimile which the space scientists in America have been able to reproduce as a three-dimensional image on the computer. It obeys exactly the three-dimensional laws, and its coming to light now in this exact scientific manner is one of the signs that the Christ is in the world, although His coming into the world is not dependent on that sign. (From: The Reappearance of the Christ and the Masters of Wisdom, Tara Press, 1980) What happened to the Shroud after Jesus died? Immediately after Jesus' death the Shroud was retrieved from the tomb in
[FairfieldLife] Re: Measuring the Great Soul of an Atheist
What is the reason for this thusness? -Artemus Ward [:D] True thusness is the substance of thought, its motion and function inexhaustible .. Christopher Hitchens: And round that early-laurelled head Will flock to gaze the strengthless dead, And find unwithered on its curls The garland briefer than a girl's. A.E. Housman Christopher Hitchens: You are now the billow of the sea; in the sea you will be free. you are dust of light; you will swim in the stars. you are now a drop of ambrosia; you will be a sea of nectar. you are the river of the moon; you will melt in iridescence. Your nightmare of desires has ceased, your dreams of grief are broken, the light of laughter has awakened. The lamp of live, flickering over your earthliness, is extinguished forever. Your light has plunged into the divine light and is playing over the splendors of eternity. The shadows of fanciful fears have slipped away, and the infinite light has spread over the dark nooks of your soul. The dear ones of his family may cried aloud, Leave us not, poor youth of our hearts, our souls are bursting for thee, for thy plight. His answer may be be now: You weep for me dark tears, weeping for your loss in me, but I weep for you joyous tears, because I am going before you, for your welfare's sake, to light candles of wisdom all the way, and will wait to welcome you there, where I shall be with my Only Beloved and yours. the dawn of Christmas Eve in a few hours... May the masked one emjoy a MERRY CHRISTMAS with open eyes and heart with joyous tears innocence seen through the eyes of a child Expectative with butterfies in his stomach [:x] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkqCL_I3Wjc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2011/12/postscript-christ\ opher-hitchens.html
[FairfieldLife] The Sun of Mankind, rules in Eternity.!
By Tom Chivers WorldLast updated: December 19th, 2011 372 CommentsComment on this article When the Sun of Mankind was born, in a humble log cabin on his nation's holiest mountain, a new bright star shone in the heavens, and a double rainbow appeared. The birds sang songs of praise in human voice. The Sun of Mankind's father, though his mortal body is dead, rules in eternity, and his spirit is reincarnated in the Sun of Mankind. The Sun of Mankind is also known as the Great Man Who Descended From Heaven. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to atheist North Korea. The Sun of Mankind, in case you're wondering, was the late Kim Jong-il, who died over the weekend following a heart attack. His father, the eternal leader who was reincarnated in his son, was Kim il Sung, who died in 1994 at the age of 82 but is still the official president. Christopher Hitchens, who sadly did not live to see Kim's death, thus described North Korea as the only necrocracy in the world. Kim Jong-il, the Shining Star of Mount Paekdu, was not, of course, born in a log cabin on the mountain at all, but in exile in Siberia. (I am also unable to confirm the reports of talking birds and celestial miracles.) But the birth of a great Son to a great Father in humble-yet-holy circumstances, accompanied by heavenly signs, is very familiar, as is death and reincarnation. Mithras, a pagan sun-god, was apparently born of a virgin to great miracles, and died and was reincarnated. That story has many obvious parallels to that of Jesus Christ. In Greek mythology, Dionysius, the son of the great god Zeus, was killed and resurrected. Whatever you can call the Kim Jong-il premiership, and the whole sad, sorry North Korean experience since the Second World War, it is not an atheist dictatorship. A better parallel would be a theocracy. Hitchens reported, in a heartrending account of his time in the failed state, that $2.68 billion (£1.7 billion) was spent on memorial events and constructions in the wake of Kim il Sung's death 17 years ago. It's a modern-day Pharoanic kingdom, with similar Sun-God mythology: Kim il Sung and Kim Jong-il were worshipped (see the video above to see what I mean). Sticking with Hitchens, he says that the closest parallel is to the Confucian ancestor-worship which had held sway in Korean society for generations before the rise of Maoism. (On the subject of worship: there's a tragicomic quality to some of Kim's miracles. We are told that he could control the weather; that he had no need to use toilets, since he never defecated; he invented hamburgers, which probably counts as a miracle since they existed before he was born; and, my own personal favourite, on his first-ever round of golf, he shot 38 under par, including 11 holes in one. It's his restraint, almost a modesty, in not claiming to have got a perfect score of 18, which I find oddly touching. See the Huffington Post for more.) None of this is intended to mean that religious societies are all going to be like North Korea, or that religion implies dictatorship, or that all atheists are lovely people. But to suggest that North Korea is what happens when atheism holds sway in a country is equally ridiculous. Saying Kim Jong-il was a Lefty atheist is like saying that Hitler was a conservative Catholic, and we all know that that is very silly indeed. Add a comment Comment with a Telegraph account
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
Did Maharishi's sandals ever sell? For how much? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Nabbie you are truly a marketer's dream aren't you! Is there nothing that gets caught in your incredulity filter? Prayer handkerchiefs? Reverend Moon's blessings? You obvioysly haven't read the article Curtis. Your HillBilly-music includes Christmas songs I presume - do that rather, and Merry Christmas to you ! The Turin Shroud a photograph of Resurrection? With the recent discovery by Italian scientists of an image on the reverse side of the Turin Shroud, the debate over its authenticity has been reawakened. The newly-found image is fainter, yet identical to the well-known image on the opposite side. Both images are only visible on the uppermost fibres of the fabric and not within the textile itself. It is extremely difficult to make a fake with these features, said scientist Giulio Fanti. Benjamin Creme's information about the Turin Shroud throws light on the process by which it was made. He also explains that the Shroud is yet another of the many miracles or signs which herald the emergence of Maitreya the World Teacher awaited by people of all faiths. Benjamin Creme: There is a process in photography called ionisation ... The high spiritual down-flow from the Christ into the body of the Disciple Jesus caused the ionisation effect and produced a negative on the Shroud and in this way it is, as it were, scorched on to the Shroud, but only on the surface ... The image on it was deposited intentionally and left there for future generations to hold to the reality of resurrection, because that is what the gospel story is about ... The Shroud defies all such analysis and theories, and shows an awareness of the practical technique of crucifixion (for example, the nails are clearly seen through the wrist and ankle bones and not as depicted in every religious painting to this day through the hands and feet) ... If we accept that the Shroud is of a man crucified in Roman fashion, the question arises: why is this the only one of its kind? ... I suggest it is precisely because of its unique image and unique origin. The process an esoteric explanation I personally believe that [the Turin Shroud] is absolutely authentic, that it is the shroud in which the body of Jesus was wrapped after the crucifixion. The image on it was deposited intentionally and left there for future generations to hold to the reality of resurrection, because that is what the gospel story is about. The gospel story is not about crucifixion. It is about resurrection The interesting thing about the Shroud, from my point of view, is how the image was made. The Christ resurrected the body of the Disciple Jesus. When the body was laid in the tomb, the consciousness of the Christ, Maitreya, once again entered into the body of the Disciple Jesus and brought it back to life, not only that; but also Resurrected it. He shook loose, by the down-flow of tremendous spiritual energy into the now dead body of Jesus, the atomic particles of matter, reconstituted these, and brought into that body matter of sub-atomic vibrational rate, that is, matter which is literally light. The effect of that on the body was one of intense radiation and it was that radiation which produced what is called an ionisation effect of the image on the Shroud. There is a process in photography called ionisation. When a photographer wants to transfer a negative image to a positive image, or vice versa, he takes the plate and puts it under very high frequency usually X-rays. The effect of this high-frequency ray bombardment is to ionise the plate so that when it is developed you get the opposite of what you would expect to find. Whatever should be light becomes dark, and whatever should be dark becomes light. The high spiritual down-flow from the Christ into the body of the Disciple Jesus caused the ionisation effect and produced a negative on the shroud and in this way it is, as it were, scorched on to the Shroud, but only on the surface. It is exact, in a way that no photograph could be, and it appeared whether the Shroud touched the body or not. It was an ionisation of all aspects of the body, with the wounds and the blood and everything else. So you get an exact facsimile which the space scientists in America have been able to reproduce as a three-dimensional image on the computer. It obeys exactly the three-dimensional laws, and its coming to light now in this exact scientific manner is one of the signs that the Christ is in the world, although His coming into the world is not dependent on that sign.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: At Last
Jennifer Hudson was great in that movie, I agree. Here's an song by Etta singing in 1998 :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whCEw7JGfYIfeature=related From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 6:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: At Last Beyonce really nailed that movie. I am not a fan of her undistinctive voice, but short of Etta herself, who had the missing grit, she did a great job in Cadillac Man. And remember when she sang it for our new president back when he was gunna close Guantanamo? But this performance by Jennifer Hudson made me a fan. I learned so much about vocal story telling from this song. I had heard this song so many times before and never really understood it till she served it up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3lTXB4t2so --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Can we dedicate this tune to Etta James who originally sang it?. Beyonce gives her own rendition as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORbF--V3_eQfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Did Maharishi's sandals ever sell? For how much? According to this: http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/10169223 The lot passed, i.e., it didn't sell.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
Sure beats arguing the points,eh? Just shoot the messenger. But still time to redeem yourself. Let's hear your view of what these scientistsfound and how it relates to the claims. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: You are a very superstitious man, Curtisacting under the compulsion of your atheism. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I don't know who's image is on the shroud, though I find it amazing that such a thing persists in outfoxing the most delicate and sophisticated analysis our physical science can produce. It isn't that it is outfoxing science. It is a work of art by any standard and it isn't cool to destroy it because of a superstition. Science came through on dating it, so unless Jesus lived in the middle ages, it isn't him. Its interesting from a perspective of what researchers continue to find out about the cloth itself and its charismatic image. Who cares if someone says its Jesus? Could be, but who cares? Not really the issue. I think it really is. If it wasn't being protected as a relic they would be able to take enough samples to answer more questions. Superstition is protecting this work of art and it is being treated differently because of that. It is really ONLY the superstition connection that makes it a matter of interest at all. That period of history was full of relics that just didn't get preserved to make it to our time. They still cannot identify how the image was made. That is mysterious and lively and interesting to me. Whether or not such an image is Jesus is impossible to prove, and far less interesting. The whole idea fascinates me in a different way. It is a window into human beliefs. Since it came from an age of relics being sold, it has the mystical credibility of a sideshow three headed dog in a bottle of formaldehyde in the back of a carnival tent. Step right up folks, Jesus' burial shroud, with his image as clear as a painting of Elvis on velvet, step right up. I saw some saint's relics in a monastery I visited. Some fingernails and cloth of some saints. Leftovers from the time the rich paid for indulgences to get out of purgatory quicker. This shroud has a context of the flim flamery of an era of relics sold for cash. It is a version of Jesus on the toast sold on ebay. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Excellent example of the misuse of science to promote a magical agenda. These guys didn't examine the shroud at Oxford. What they are doing is: The results show a short and intense burst of UV directional radiation can colour a linen cloth so as to reproduce many of the peculiar characteristics of the body image on the Shroud of Turin,' the scientists said OK, so lets take them at their word. Some of the pecular charactoristics of the image on the shroud can be duplicated by another process only found today. Real scientists might conclude that since ths technology was not around either in Jesus' time or when the Shroud was probably made, 12601390 AD, then this was probably not how the shroud was made. Oh wait, its Christmas time. Sorry. The need for Christmas miracle stories to feed the hoards trumps all! Ok, I'm onboard now. We don't know what it was that caused the image... so it was aliens. No sorry, it was magic Jesus. Jesus was magic and made a magic cloth with his magicness and now we have evidence of magical things happening at this magical time of the year. Long as I get my pfeffernuesse cookies I'll keep my mouth shut. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: There's probably another explanation. Maybe the body naturally releases chemicals or certain auras after death that appear to come from ultraviolet light. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: The person under the shroud created light tuned to that frequency, leaving its impression on the fabric. Sounds like a sidha at work.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Scientists from Italy say the image was created by ultraviolet light. How can that be? http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/scientists-turin-shroud-image-created-ultraviolet-lasers-182107870.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
So the side of the absurd in your mind is the person who doubts that the shroud has a supernatural or even Biblical times origin? How do you stitch that together? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Attaboy, Curtis. Eat them reductio Wheaties. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Nabbie you are truly a marketer's dream aren't you! Is there nothing that gets caught in your incredulity filter? Prayer handkerchiefs? Reverend Moon's blessings? Actually there is one thing that activates your skepticism centers. It is skepticism itself that gets disabled by your complete skepticism about the process of doubting claims. Like a perfect root virus that hides under Windows, disabling each and every boot, your skepticism dll. By the time Windows is up and running there is no skeptical question that wont be invalidated on principle. And of course I must cop to my own bias in the opposite. I run the old car salesman's assumptions :If you assume a buyer is lying 100% of the time, you will be right 99 times! My favorite tell for people being deceptive is checking to see if their lips are moving. I would love to have us both hooked up to an MRI and have the experimenter tell us that he just bought a hide of the abominable snowman and then see what lights up inside. Given it a graphical image, mine would become a likeness of Bart Simpson and yours would resemble a Smurf. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: No matter how you cut it, there will always be arguments for both sides. If the shroud really came from the body of Jesus in the tomb, then the Christians would have stronger reason to believe so after this scientific finding. For skeptics, the finding would only raise more questions which can't be answered as of now. The Turin Shroud a photograph of Resurrection? With the recent discovery by Italian scientists of an image on the reverse side of the Turin Shroud, the debate over its authenticity has been reawakened. The newly-found image is fainter, yet identical to the well-known image on the opposite side. Both images are only visible on the uppermost fibres of the fabric and not within the textile itself. It is extremely difficult to make a fake with these features, said scientist Giulio Fanti. Benjamin Creme's information about the Turin Shroud throws light on the process by which it was made. He also explains that the Shroud is yet another of the many miracles or signs which herald the emergence of Maitreya the World Teacher awaited by people of all faiths. Benjamin Creme: There is a process in photography called ionisation ... The high spiritual down-flow from the Christ into the body of the Disciple Jesus caused the ionisation effect and produced a negative on the Shroud and in this way it is, as it were, scorched on to the Shroud, but only on the surface ... The image on it was deposited intentionally and left there for future generations to hold to the reality of resurrection, because that is what the gospel story is about ... The Shroud defies all such analysis and theories, and shows an awareness of the practical technique of crucifixion (for example, the nails are clearly seen through the wrist and ankle bones and not as depicted in every religious painting to this day through the hands and feet) ... If we accept that the Shroud is of a man crucified in Roman fashion, the question arises: why is this the only one of its kind? ... I suggest it is precisely because of its unique image and unique origin. The process an esoteric explanation I personally believe that [the Turin Shroud] is absolutely authentic, that it is the shroud in which the body of Jesus was wrapped after the crucifixion. The image on it was deposited intentionally and left there for future generations to hold to the reality of resurrection, because that is what the gospel story is about. The gospel story is not about crucifixion. It is about resurrection The interesting thing about the Shroud, from my point of view, is how the image was made. The Christ resurrected the body of the Disciple Jesus. When the body was laid in the tomb, the consciousness of the Christ, Maitreya, once again entered into the body of the Disciple Jesus and brought it back to life, not only that; but also Resurrected it. He shook loose, by the down-flow of tremendous spiritual energy into the now dead body of Jesus, the atomic particles of matter, reconstituted these, and brought into that body matter of sub-atomic vibrational rate, that is, matter which is literally light. The effect of that on the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Did Maharishi's sandals ever sell? For how much? According to this: http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/10169223 The lot passed, i.e., it didn't sell. If they'd just used ultraviolet light on the sandals, I bet they would have fetched almost as high a price as the Shroud of Turin. Would've killed off the last of Maharishi's athlete's foot, too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
This probably makes sense to someone. When you find out who that is then you can email this post to them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Dear Hollow William, Make a thread that only two are in a discussion? Bhahahaha. Bhahahahaha. As if. Bhahahaha. Why not try private email, then you can have the silence you desire? Bhahahahaha. Power complex setting in? I got some roach crushers in my pick up and they are really pointy. [picks teeth with a pitch fork.] Leave my Emily alone. Leave my cross dressing Turq alone, too. Better yet, make a thread so evolved, no one will know what you are talking about, then no one will wish to add to a thread for fearing to tread on hallow ground. Bhaha. find hahah. your hahaha own hahahah thread. hahahah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LEAiGDw220feature=related --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Perhaps you should just check your own messages since I was in a discussion with Robin. Remember him? You did bring up his name. However, I have a better idea. I'll start another thread directly with Robin. Then Steve, you and Bari2 can comment or interject if you see fit but none of you will highjack it. I don't request this of Barry-atric-I since he can neither make nor hold agreements. For him, that would imply a standard and might suggest that there could be something other than his mere opinion. Whada you think? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Check your sent messagesthis thread has evolved in many directions, including one that you chimed in on that has absolutely nada to do with the original letter written by Robin. Â
Re: [FairfieldLife] Prometheus trailer
On 12/23/2011 08:03 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Ridley Scott is a sometimes great filmmaker, but he got his start in advertising, so he is a genius at trailers. Here's his first trailer for the upcoming prequel to Alien, which manages to entice without giving away any of the plot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftuxbvGwiU Turn it up to 720p and go full screen. The trailer is so good, there is actually a trailer for the trailer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch_hhDLtrFE Check out the credits. Noomi Rapace (the original Girl With A Dragon Tattoo), Charlize Theron, Michael Fassbender, Guy Pearce, and Idris Elba. One to look forward to. I wonder how much the movie will bring home the fact that the crew is from an all corporate world without government? That is a subtext in the original Alien and explored in Alien versus Predator: Requiem. Last night I watched We Are the Night on NF streaming which is stylish German vampire movie. There is a bit of a FFL connection here because some of the last act takes place in that abandoned former US government listening complex that was featured at the end of David Wants to Fly. The movies was okay, maybe the score a little overbearing which was another complaint I had with Columbiana but unfortunately this film was presented dubbed instead of with subtitles which is something unusual for Netflix. http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/We_Are_the_Night/70198054 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1692504/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: So the side of the absurd in your mind is the person who doubts that the shroud has a supernatural or even Biblical times origin? How do you stitch that together? The absurdity lies in that someone has an opinion about something he knows nada or even has the faintest interest.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
I have audio recordings of Maharishi's live voice lectures on the early India courses. Very esoterica. On cassette tapes. They are relics. I keep them in a vault too. I'd share them with interested devotees. I might. I might sell them too. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Did Maharishi's sandals ever sell? For how much? According to this: http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/10169223 The lot passed, i.e., it didn't sell. If they'd just used ultraviolet light on the sandals, I bet they would have fetched almost as high a price as the Shroud of Turin. Would've killed off the last of Maharishi's athlete's foot, too.
[FairfieldLife] #5# Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year to everybody. May God bless you abundantly! My best wishes, Paulo Barbosa
[FairfieldLife] Re: At Last
I bought the Dream Girls video. Beyonce was good in that one too. She's a brick house, as the Commodores would put it. The video clip during Obama's inauguration dance is on YouTube also. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Beyonce really nailed that movie. I am not a fan of her undistinctive voice, but short of Etta herself, who had the missing grit, she did a great job in Cadillac Man. And remember when she sang it for our new president back when he was gunna close Guantanamo? But this performance by Jennifer Hudson made me a fan. I learned so much about vocal story telling from this song. I had heard this song so many times before and never really understood it till she served it up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3lTXB4t2so --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Can we dedicate this tune to Etta James who originally sang it?. Beyonce gives her own rendition as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORbF--V3_eQfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mysterious Glow Before Kim's Death
Maybe so, and it sure is a blessing for South Korea, Japan, China and the USA. We wonder if that was due the the Maharishi Effect either generated from India or Iowa. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Yes, however; It was the gates of Hell opening for Kim. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: We can assume this one is communist progaganda a la North Korean style. http://news.yahoo.com/nkorea-cites-mysterious-glow-just-kim-death-035745165.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
Sure beats arguing the points, eh? Please, if you are a person of principle, Curtis, answer my five-part postyour only response to that was a brief Ebenezer which essentially shot the messenger. I make no claims about the Shroud of Turin Image; I do however, sense the extreme need of you to deny any evidence of what would constitute a refutation of your reductionist naturalistic view of reality and the universe. One would think from reading one of your posts, Curtis, that you are the last person to step away from a fight. But I have found you several times now unwilling to go to the front. I wrote that five-part post as an answer and challenge to your philosophy; you have chosen, in essence, to just blow it off. And then continue, as if you *have* answered me. And you haven't. That five-part post was a summing up of my own philosophy and a way to bring our 6 months comprehensive dialogue to its climactic point of necessary tension. I don't know that much about the Shroud of Turin Image, but I do know this: you would make of any writer or scientist who is impressed by the mystery (and therefore possible authenticity) of The Shroud an idiothaving the same creditability as the Tampa Bay housewife who sees Jesus's image on a piece of toast. Your dogmatism is unconscious, Curtis, but it sometimes drives and drives you. As it does here most certainly. Your analysis is ultra-Voltairian and ex parte. It is unreasonable. Your claim is too peremptory and imperious. Curtis ex cathedra. But hey, man! I still like the way you sing them blues. And I would be an idiot and moral monster if I denied that talking with youuntil about a month agowas one of the supreme adventures of my life. Have I made myself clear, dear boy? We shouldif you are not going to answer my 5-parterhave a formal debate: Lady Gaga will be the moderator. The resolution: There are more things under heaven and earth than dreamed of in your philosophy, Curtis. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Sure beats arguing the points,eh? Just shoot the messenger. But still time to redeem yourself. Let's hear your view of what these scientistsfound and how it relates to the claims. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: You are a very superstitious man, Curtisacting under the compulsion of your atheism. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I don't know who's image is on the shroud, though I find it amazing that such a thing persists in outfoxing the most delicate and sophisticated analysis our physical science can produce. It isn't that it is outfoxing science. It is a work of art by any standard and it isn't cool to destroy it because of a superstition. Science came through on dating it, so unless Jesus lived in the middle ages, it isn't him. Its interesting from a perspective of what researchers continue to find out about the cloth itself and its charismatic image. Who cares if someone says its Jesus? Could be, but who cares? Not really the issue. I think it really is. If it wasn't being protected as a relic they would be able to take enough samples to answer more questions. Superstition is protecting this work of art and it is being treated differently because of that. It is really ONLY the superstition connection that makes it a matter of interest at all. That period of history was full of relics that just didn't get preserved to make it to our time. They still cannot identify how the image was made. That is mysterious and lively and interesting to me. Whether or not such an image is Jesus is impossible to prove, and far less interesting. The whole idea fascinates me in a different way. It is a window into human beliefs. Since it came from an age of relics being sold, it has the mystical credibility of a sideshow three headed dog in a bottle of formaldehyde in the back of a carnival tent. Step right up folks, Jesus' burial shroud, with his image as clear as a painting of Elvis on velvet, step right up. I saw some saint's relics in a monastery I visited. Some fingernails and cloth of some saints. Leftovers from the time the rich paid for indulgences to get out of purgatory quicker. This shroud has a context of the flim flamery of an era of relics sold for cash. It is a version of Jesus on the toast sold on ebay. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Excellent example of the misuse of science to promote a magical agenda. These guys didn't examine the shroud at Oxford. What they are doing is: The results show a short and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
Nabs, This is good research on your part. Thanks for the info. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: No matter how you cut it, there will always be arguments for both sides. If the shroud really came from the body of Jesus in the tomb, then the Christians would have stronger reason to believe so after this scientific finding. For skeptics, the finding would only raise more questions which can't be answered as of now. The Turin Shroud a photograph of Resurrection? With the recent discovery by Italian scientists of an image on the reverse side of the Turin Shroud, the debate over its authenticity has been reawakened. The newly-found image is fainter, yet identical to the well-known image on the opposite side. Both images are only visible on the uppermost fibres of the fabric and not within the textile itself. It is extremely difficult to make a fake with these features, said scientist Giulio Fanti. Benjamin Creme's information about the Turin Shroud throws light on the process by which it was made. He also explains that the Shroud is yet another of the many miracles or signs which herald the emergence of Maitreya the World Teacher awaited by people of all faiths. Benjamin Creme: There is a process in photography called ionisation ... The high spiritual down-flow from the Christ into the body of the Disciple Jesus caused the ionisation effect and produced a negative on the Shroud and in this way it is, as it were, scorched on to the Shroud, but only on the surface ... The image on it was deposited intentionally and left there for future generations to hold to the reality of resurrection, because that is what the gospel story is about ... The Shroud defies all such analysis and theories, and shows an awareness of the practical technique of crucifixion (for example, the nails are clearly seen through the wrist and ankle bones and not as depicted in every religious painting to this day through the hands and feet) ... If we accept that the Shroud is of a man crucified in Roman fashion, the question arises: why is this the only one of its kind? ... I suggest it is precisely because of its unique image and unique origin. The process an esoteric explanation I personally believe that [the Turin Shroud] is absolutely authentic, that it is the shroud in which the body of Jesus was wrapped after the crucifixion. The image on it was deposited intentionally and left there for future generations to hold to the reality of resurrection, because that is what the gospel story is about. The gospel story is not about crucifixion. It is about resurrection The interesting thing about the Shroud, from my point of view, is how the image was made. The Christ resurrected the body of the Disciple Jesus. When the body was laid in the tomb, the consciousness of the Christ, Maitreya, once again entered into the body of the Disciple Jesus and brought it back to life, not only that; but also Resurrected it. He shook loose, by the down-flow of tremendous spiritual energy into the now dead body of Jesus, the atomic particles of matter, reconstituted these, and brought into that body matter of sub-atomic vibrational rate, that is, matter which is literally light. The effect of that on the body was one of intense radiation and it was that radiation which produced what is called an ionisation effect of the image on the Shroud. There is a process in photography called ionisation. When a photographer wants to transfer a negative image to a positive image, or vice versa, he takes the plate and puts it under very high frequency usually X-rays. The effect of this high-frequency ray bombardment is to ionise the plate so that when it is developed you get the opposite of what you would expect to find. Whatever should be light becomes dark, and whatever should be dark becomes light. The high spiritual down-flow from the Christ into the body of the Disciple Jesus caused the ionisation effect and produced a negative on the shroud and in this way it is, as it were, scorched on to the Shroud, but only on the surface. It is exact, in a way that no photograph could be, and it appeared whether the Shroud touched the body or not. It was an ionisation of all aspects of the body, with the wounds and the blood and everything else. So you get an exact facsimile which the space scientists in America have been able to reproduce as a three-dimensional image on the computer. It obeys exactly the three-dimensional laws, and its coming to light now in this exact scientific manner is one of the signs that the Christ is in the world, although His coming into the world is not dependent on that sign. (From: The Reappearance of the Christ and the Masters of Wisdom, Tara Press, 1980) What happened to the Shroud after Jesus died? Immediately after Jesus' death the Shroud
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
Doubting is fine, Curtis; it is when you turn your doubting into something which would have [according to you] the status of ordinary common senseand the alternative view (more perhaps credulous or believing or opentake your pick) tantamount to wishful thinking and even soft-headed escapism from the real. There are thousands of persons who have studied the Shroud of Turin Image and who have reached a very different conclusion than you have. You should recuse yourself from the discussion because your priori's force you prematurely into a hard and skeptical position *even before you have in a state of neutrality processed all the data*. Everyone who is willing to look at you honestly, Curtis, can't reach any other conclusion. You have a bone to pick with Godand I hope he's up for the Curtis Inquisition. I am sure he will be. Wherever the fuck he is. I'm still stitching, Curtis baby. You don't like it when someone starts unstitching you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: So the side of the absurd in your mind is the person who doubts that the shroud has a supernatural or even Biblical times origin? How do you stitch that together? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Attaboy, Curtis. Eat them reductio Wheaties. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Nabbie you are truly a marketer's dream aren't you! Is there nothing that gets caught in your incredulity filter? Prayer handkerchiefs? Reverend Moon's blessings? Actually there is one thing that activates your skepticism centers. It is skepticism itself that gets disabled by your complete skepticism about the process of doubting claims. Like a perfect root virus that hides under Windows, disabling each and every boot, your skepticism dll. By the time Windows is up and running there is no skeptical question that wont be invalidated on principle. And of course I must cop to my own bias in the opposite. I run the old car salesman's assumptions :If you assume a buyer is lying 100% of the time, you will be right 99 times! My favorite tell for people being deceptive is checking to see if their lips are moving. I would love to have us both hooked up to an MRI and have the experimenter tell us that he just bought a hide of the abominable snowman and then see what lights up inside. Given it a graphical image, mine would become a likeness of Bart Simpson and yours would resemble a Smurf. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: No matter how you cut it, there will always be arguments for both sides. If the shroud really came from the body of Jesus in the tomb, then the Christians would have stronger reason to believe so after this scientific finding. For skeptics, the finding would only raise more questions which can't be answered as of now. The Turin Shroud a photograph of Resurrection? With the recent discovery by Italian scientists of an image on the reverse side of the Turin Shroud, the debate over its authenticity has been reawakened. The newly-found image is fainter, yet identical to the well-known image on the opposite side. Both images are only visible on the uppermost fibres of the fabric and not within the textile itself. It is extremely difficult to make a fake with these features, said scientist Giulio Fanti. Benjamin Creme's information about the Turin Shroud throws light on the process by which it was made. He also explains that the Shroud is yet another of the many miracles or signs which herald the emergence of Maitreya the World Teacher awaited by people of all faiths. Benjamin Creme: There is a process in photography called ionisation ... The high spiritual down-flow from the Christ into the body of the Disciple Jesus caused the ionisation effect and produced a negative on the Shroud and in this way it is, as it were, scorched on to the Shroud, but only on the surface ... The image on it was deposited intentionally and left there for future generations to hold to the reality of resurrection, because that is what the gospel story is about ... The Shroud defies all such analysis and theories, and shows an awareness of the practical technique of crucifixion (for example, the nails are clearly seen through the wrist and ankle bones and not as depicted in every religious painting to this day through the hands and feet) ... If we accept that the Shroud is of a man crucified in Roman fashion, the question arises: why is this the only one of its kind? ... I suggest it is precisely because of its unique image and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
I had someone who in a discuss over the TM Raja's anti-saint policy threw away all their old TM things. There are some relics in there too. Including their old pocket sized Holy Tradition that was once given to new initiators upon graduating from their TM teacher training course. That relic might make a real great and cherished gift for some new innocent teacher coming off of the new TM teacher training courses. I'd scalp it to the right person. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: I have audio recordings of Maharishi's live voice lectures on the early India courses. Very esoterica. On cassette tapes. They are relics. I keep them in a vault too. I'd share them with interested devotees. I might. I might sell them too. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Did Maharishi's sandals ever sell? For how much? According to this: http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/10169223 The lot passed, i.e., it didn't sell. If they'd just used ultraviolet light on the sandals, I bet they would have fetched almost as high a price as the Shroud of Turin. Would've killed off the last of Maharishi's athlete's foot, too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prometheus trailer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Ridley Scott is a sometimes great filmmaker, but he got his start in advertising, so he is a genius at trailers. Here's his first trailer for the upcoming prequel to Alien, which manages to entice without giving away any of the plot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftuxbvGwiU Turn it up to 720p and go full screen. The trailer is so good, there is actually a trailer for the trailer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch_hhDLtrFE Check out the credits. Noomi Rapace (the original Girl With A Dragon Tattoo), Charlize Theron, Michael Fassbender, Guy Pearce, and Idris Elba. One to look forward to. I accidentally watched it while listening to Johnny Cash singing Silent Night on Pandora playing in the background, I thought, boy this really sucks, till I realized that wasn't the sound track for the trailer, how surreal!.:-) Merry Christmas Turq, God Bless You, and may you come back and be part of the fold!! (Er' maybe you still are) :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Measuring the Great Soul of an Atheist
Man is not Judged by what he believes but by what he Practices. BillyG Xmas 2011 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: What is the reason for this thusness? -Artemus Ward [:D] True thusness is the substance of thought, its motion and function inexhaustible .. Christopher Hitchens: And round that early-laurelled head Will flock to gaze the strengthless dead, And find unwithered on its curls The garland briefer than a girl's. A.E. Housman Christopher Hitchens: You are now the billow of the sea; in the sea you will be free. you are dust of light; you will swim in the stars. you are now a drop of ambrosia; you will be a sea of nectar. you are the river of the moon; you will melt in iridescence. Your nightmare of desires has ceased, your dreams of grief are broken, the light of laughter has awakened. The lamp of live, flickering over your earthliness, is extinguished forever. Your light has plunged into the divine light and is playing over the splendors of eternity. The shadows of fanciful fears have slipped away, and the infinite light has spread over the dark nooks of your soul. The dear ones of his family may cried aloud, Leave us not, poor youth of our hearts, our souls are bursting for thee, for thy plight. His answer may be be now: You weep for me dark tears, weeping for your loss in me, but I weep for you joyous tears, because I am going before you, for your welfare's sake, to light candles of wisdom all the way, and will wait to welcome you there, where I shall be with my Only Beloved and yours. the dawn of Christmas Eve in a few hours... May the masked one emjoy a MERRY CHRISTMAS with open eyes and heart with joyous tears innocence seen through the eyes of a child Expectative with butterfies in his stomach [:x] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkqCL_I3Wjc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2011/12/postscript-christ\ opher-hitchens.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Measuring the Great Soul of an Atheist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@... wrote: Man is not Judged by what he believes but by what he Practices. - BillyG Xmas 2011 Seems to me that sentiment is better expressed to those who claim enlightenment but don't deliver. - Turq Xmas 2011
[FairfieldLife] Re: Measuring the Great Soul of an Atheist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@ wrote: Man is not Judged by what he believes but by what he Practices. - BillyG Xmas 2011 Seems to me that sentiment is better expressed to those who claim enlightenment but don't deliver. - Turq Xmas 2011 The angels escort the soul of the atheist and do not care that he does not believe in their existence. - feste37, Xmas 2011
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Okay. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: This probably makes sense to someone. When you find out who that is then you can email this post to them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Dear Hollow William, Make a thread that only two are in a discussion? Bhahahaha. Bhahahahaha. As if. Bhahahaha. Why not try private email, then you can have the silence you desire? Bhahahahaha. Power complex setting in? I got some roach crushers in my pick up and they are really pointy. [picks teeth with a pitch fork.] Leave my Emily alone. Leave my cross dressing Turq alone, too. Better yet, make a thread so evolved, no one will know what you are talking about, then no one will wish to add to a thread for fearing to tread on hallow ground. Bhaha. find hahah. your hahaha own hahahah thread. hahahah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LEAiGDw220feature=related --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Perhaps you should just check your own messages since I was in a discussion with Robin. Remember him? You did bring up his name. However, I have a better idea. I'll start another thread directly with Robin. Then Steve, you and Bari2 can comment or interject if you see fit but none of you will highjack it. I don't request this of Barry-atric-I since he can neither make nor hold agreements. For him, that would imply a standard and might suggest that there could be something other than his mere opinion. Whada you think? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Check your sent messagesthis thread has evolved in many directions, including one that you chimed in on that has absolutely nada to do with the original letter written by Robin. Â
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A Third Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Hi Robin, Thank you for your reply. No problem at all disagreeing with me. Anyway, I read your words and I still remain unconvinced of your current waking state. Not a big deal, and I can see how you would want to erase that previous state of UC from your awareness, in addition to the entire concept. On the other hand, through your writing, you come across as open, friendly, present, humble, approachable and stable, all hallmarks of someone who approaches the world as if they have more in common with it, and those in it, than not. So there is an inconsistency to me between (1) this apparent massive internal dis-integration and reconstruction of the MZ, negating UC, enlightenment and Eastern culture(?), which sounds like it is still very much in progress, and (2) your demeanor, which I described above. Not to say that both things cannot be expressed, one internally, the other externally, at the same time. They are, and yet that means I appreciate your character more than your particular quest, although I enjoy watching it unfold. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Hi Robin, You said, I certainly have had the experience of acting radically differently and experiencing myself and reality radically differently, from one second before I 'slipped into Unity' in September 1976, and one second after this event. I don't know if you read my earlier comment on this event in your life, but I am just not buying it. Not, as many would, challenging your previous experience of Unity (implying enlightenment), but that you have somehow lost it. All I can see that you lost is a context that you derived your values from for awhile, but the non-Unity Robin I don't see. The Robin I see is here and present and as available through his writing as I am to myself. Like I said before, there is a dynamism, a liveliness, a reality to your stuff that cannot be manufactured or parroted. So, I'd ask you to list please just three areas in which you no longer have the ability to become One with your environment, and those you interact with, hence your fall from Unity? Dear whynotnow: It is not that easy contemplating disagreeing with you when you have written so appreciatively and, I believe, discerningly about my posts. I feel the naturalness of your way of describing the world from your own point of view, and I can quite understand how I may seem not quite believable to you when I denounce the validity of my enlightenment, and attempt to convince others that I am through with it; that Unity Consciousness has gone right out of meforever. Rather than just list three areas in which [I] no longer have the ability to become One with [my] environment, and those [I] interact with, I am going to give you ten. 1. The actual experience of being unified with the whole universe has completely disappeared from my apprehension of reality. I am distinct and separate from and in some sense find that I exist not with respect to what is not intrinsically made of Robinwhich is everything external to me. In Unity Consciousness I not only saw the Self in everything, I was that Self, and the Oneness was as obvious to me as the air, my breathing, the sense of gravity. I was as unified with the entire cosmos as I had been, before, held completely inside the boundaries of my own individual self. 2. The sense of oneness brought with it the experience of having my own individuality (since it was subsumed inside that oneness) under the control of something other than my own free will. Spontaneous right action as Maharishi called it. Well, it certainly was spontaneous, but the real kicker here, whynotnow, was that I could not make decisions from within any primary sense of my own individuality: my individuality in a very real and empirical sense belonged to the universe, belonged to creative intelligence. My own intelligence, my own will, it was suddenly bound up with and obedient to the intelligence and will which seemed to be running the whole universe. 3. My life was not my own. I was thrust into a context of action which was not prefigured or foreshadowed in anything I had ever known being Robin before Unity Consciousness. This is what was so terrifying for me, even though at the time, I rejoiced in this imprisonment, because performing action as the enlightened man entailed a sense of cosmic freedom, the freedom to do the will of nature, which was so much bigger than I was, and presumably had an agenda which encompassed a little more than was encompassed before my ego was absorbed into the beingness at the basis of all of creation. When there was only the sense of my own personhood. 4. I did things, whynotnow, that I could never conceive of doing prior to going into Unity Consciousnessand the really extraordinary
[FairfieldLife] Looks like bye for a week!
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!
[FairfieldLife] The Water Nymph
1908, by Herbert James Draper (1863 -1920), Classical painter http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Draper-The_Water_Nymph.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Highlights from Sant Rajinder Singh
Video http://sos.org/highlights.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looks like bye for a week!
Yes, thanks and you have a good one as well! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!
[FairfieldLife] Silicon Valley Neo-Advaitin John Wheeler
Inspired by Nisargadatta Maharaj and Sailor Bob: http://www.thenaturalstate.info/index.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: #5# Merry Christmas
We wish you the same Paulo! JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paulo Barbosa tprobert@... wrote: Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year to everybody. May God bless you abundantly! My best wishes, Paulo Barbosa
[FairfieldLife] American Veda
American Veda's Philip Goldberg. Interviewed by Rick Archer http://americanveda.com/ Has the traditional pics of all the Gurus.
[FairfieldLife] Call of Cthulhu, Arkham Horror
by Henning Ludvigsen http://www.epilogue.net/cgi/database/art/view.pl?id=94209
[FairfieldLife] Bat Surf
by Henning Ludvigsen http://www.epilogue.net/cgi/database/art/view.pl?id=87493
[FairfieldLife] The Calamity of U.G. Krishnamurti
from Wiki - his Kundalini transformation. CalamityThe next day U.G. was again pondering the question How do I know I am in that state? with no answer forthcoming. He later recounted that on suddenly realizing the question had no answer, there was an unexpected physical, as well as psychological, reaction. It seemed to him like a sudden explosion inside, blasting, as it were, every cell, every nerve and every gland in my body. Afterwards, he started experiencing what he called the calamity, a series of bizarre physiological transformations that took place over the course of a week, affecting each one of his senses, and finally resulting in a deathlike experience. He described it this way: I call it calamity because from the point of view of one who thinks this is something fantastic, blissful and full of beatitude, love, or ecstasy, this is physical torture; this is a calamity from that point of view. Not a calamity to me but a calamity to those who have an image that something marvelous is going to happen.[10] Upon the eighth day: Then, on the eighth day I was sitting on the sofa and suddenly there was an outburst of tremendous energy tremendous energy shaking the whole body, and along with the body, the sofa, the chalet and the whole universe, as it were shaking, vibrating. You can't create that movement at all. It was sudden. Whether it was coming from outside or inside, from below or above, I don't know I couldn't locate the spot; it was all over. It lasted for hours and hours. I couldn't bear it but there was nothing I could do to stop it; there was a total helplessness. This went on and on, day after day, day after day.[10] The energy that is operating there does not feel the limitations of the body; it is not interested; it has its own momentum. It is a very painful thing. It is not that ecstatic, blissful beatitude and all that rubbish stuff and nonsense! it is really a painful thing.[10] U.G. could not, and did not, explain the provenance of the calamity experiences. In response to questions, he maintained that it happened in spite of his pre-occupation with and search for enlightenment. He also maintained that the calamity had nothing to do with his life up to that point, or with his upbringing. Several times he described the calamity happening to him as a matter of chance, and he insisted that he could not possibly, in any way, impart that experience to anybody else.[10][14] [edit] Post-calamityAccording to U.G., his life-story can be separated into the pre- and post-calamity parts. Describing his post-calamity life, he claimed to be functioning permanently in what he called the natural state: A state of spontaneous, purely physical, sensory existence, characterized by discontinuity though not absence of thought.[15] After his calamity experience, U.G. often travelled to countries around the world, declining to hold formal discussions yet talking freely to visitors and those that sought him out. He gave his only formal post-calamity public talk in India, in 1972.[16] Nagaraj who was sitting quietly all this time said, U.G., what exactly are you trying to put across? U.G. replied, Depends on you, not on me. This you don't seem to understand. You are the only medium through which I can express myself. His unorthodox non-message/philosophy and the often uncompromising, direct style of its presentation, generated a measure of notoriety and sharply divided opinions. At the extremes, some people considered him enlightened,[who?] while others considered him nothing more than a charlatan.[17] The clamor increased as books and articles about U.G. and his newly expounded philosophy continued appearing.[18] Several of his group discussions and interviews have been published in books, and/or are carried verbatim in various websites. There is also a variety of audio and video documents available online.[19] [edit] DeathOn March 22, 2007 U.G. Krishnamurti died at Vallecrosia in Italy
[FairfieldLife] Witch
by Siu http://www.cgarena.com/gallery/3d/details/characters/witchsiu082010.html
[FairfieldLife] Armored Strollers
by Henryk Fantazos http://henrykfantazos.us/graphics/pages/Armored.Strollers.htm
[FairfieldLife] Temptations Under Magnolia Tree
by Henryk Fantazos http://henrykfantazos.us/Recent_Paintings/pages/Temptations%20Under%20Magnolia%20Tree.large.htm
[FairfieldLife] Blessing the Eno
by Henryk Fantazos http://henrykfantazos.us/Recent_Paintings/pages/Blessing%20the%20Eno.htm
[FairfieldLife] Okra Smugglers
by Henryk Fantazos http://henrykfantazos.us/graphics/pages/Okra%20Smugglers.htm
[FairfieldLife] Ten New Words Learned in 2011
These are the words used or misused by the media during the year, according to this article. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-words-learned-2011-163645976.html To be honest, I missed the bunga-bunga word. That goes to show that I didn't follow the Italian news relating to its ex-prime minister's escapades.
[FairfieldLife] Turtles' Progress
by Henryk Fantazos http://henrykfantazos.us/graphics/pages/Turtles'%20Progress.htm
[FairfieldLife] Pedestal
by Henning Ludvigsen http://www.epilogue.net/cgi/database/art/view.pl?id=73694
[FairfieldLife] Spellweaver
http://www.cgarena.com/gallery/2d/details/spellweaverdjj122011.html
[FairfieldLife] Darthlash
http://www.cgarena.com/gallery/2d/details/darthlashbdy102011.html
[FairfieldLife] The Pearls of Aphrodite
H. James Draper's answer to the Shroud of Turin: http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/4/30451.jpg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Girl or boy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfkGocmCiEfeature=related From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 2:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula Okay. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: This probably makes sense to someone. When you find out who that is then you can email this post to them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Dear Hollow William, Make a thread that only two are in a discussion? Bhahahaha. Bhahahahaha. As if. Bhahahaha. Why not try private email, then you can have the silence you desire? Bhahahahaha. Power complex setting in? I got some roach crushers in my pick up and they are really pointy. [picks teeth with a pitch fork.] Leave my Emily alone. Leave my cross dressing Turq alone, too. Better yet, make a thread so evolved, no one will know what you are talking about, then no one will wish to add to a thread for fearing to tread on hallow ground. Bhaha. find hahah. your hahaha own hahahah thread. hahahah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LEAiGDw220feature=related --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Perhaps you should just check your own messages since I was in a discussion with Robin. Remember him? You did bring up his name. However, I have a better idea. I'll start another thread directly with Robin. Then Steve, you and Bari2 can comment or interject if you see fit but none of you will highjack it. I don't request this of Barry-atric-I since he can neither make nor hold agreements. For him, that would imply a standard and might suggest that there could be something other than his mere opinion. Whada you think? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Check your sent messagesthis thread has evolved in many directions, including one that you chimed in on that has absolutely nada to do with the original letter written by Robin. Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Beautiful. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Girl or boy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfkGocmCiEfeature=related From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 2:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula  Okay. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: This probably makes sense to someone. When you find out who that is then you can email this post to them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Dear Hollow William, Make a thread that only two are in a discussion? Bhahahaha. Bhahahahaha. As if. Bhahahaha. Why not try private email, then you can have the silence you desire? Bhahahahaha. Power complex setting in? I got some roach crushers in my pick up and they are really pointy. [picks teeth with a pitch fork.] Leave my Emily alone. Leave my cross dressing Turq alone, too. Better yet, make a thread so evolved, no one will know what you are talking about, then no one will wish to add to a thread for fearing to tread on hallow ground. Bhaha. find hahah. your hahaha own hahahah thread. hahahah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LEAiGDw220feature=related --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Perhaps you should just check your own messages since I was in a discussion with Robin. Remember him? You did bring up his name. However, I have a better idea. I'll start another thread directly with Robin. Then Steve, you and Bari2 can comment or interject if you see fit but none of you will highjack it. I don't request this of Barry-atric-I since he can neither make nor hold agreements. For him, that would imply a standard and might suggest that there could be something other than his mere opinion. Whada you think? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Check your sent messagesthis thread has evolved in many directions, including one that you chimed in on that has absolutely nada to do with the original letter written by Robin. Ã
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who Wants To Be In Charge of the Bunting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu2bgwcv43ofeature=relmfu --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Sh sh sHe wishes to leave a Ravi tune. The words will have to suffice for the chords. Is it to the tune of 'drunken sailor'? snip From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@ snip I wonder if he'll come on nice like, with a friendly Fuck You Bitches, or if he'll start right in with recommending sex acts. At any rate it's only a few short 48 hours when we may be graced with his presents, (intended) again. I wonder if he's put already put up a video on youtube, where he will address us with brutal nakedness. Anyone knows how we can search for non-public videos?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Calamity of U.G. Krishnamurti
The moment you repeat that which is not yours, you have become the follower of somebody.U.G. why I am not surprised it is the naked man-who brought this charming constructivist embodiment, this Antithesis of perennial philosophy of thesosophical colour- up here on this forum,..finally ..Waited for this post and U.G. singing his songfor years Does someone question the timing and obvious relation and may be too much honor to maskedzebra #299555 post ? On the other hand what do I know about American TMO history and what turmoil MZ may had caused by his realizing the so(by so many expressed) obvious lack of compassion among the M. followers then in the 80s and their fascist insistence their perpetual malcontent their self constructed cultural environment, which demands compassionless ego driven conformity ? Man is just a memory. You understand things around you by the help of the knowledge that was put in you. You perhaps need the artist to explain his modern art, but you don't need anybody's help to understand a flower. UG --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: from Wiki - his Kundalini transformation. CalamityThe next day U.G. was again pondering the question How do I know I am in that state? with no answer forthcoming. He later recounted that on suddenly realizing the question had no answer, there was an unexpected physical, as well as psychological, reaction. It seemed to him like a sudden explosion inside, blasting, as it were, every cell, every nerve and every gland in my body. Afterwards, he started experiencing what he called the calamity, a series of bizarre physiological transformations that took place over the course of a week, affecting each one of his senses, and finally resulting in a deathlike experience. He described it this way: I call it calamity because from the point of view of one who thinks this is something fantastic, blissful and full of beatitude, love, or ecstasy, this is physical torture; this is a calamity from that point of view. Not a calamity to me but a calamity to those who have an image that something marvelous is going to happen.[10] Upon the eighth day: Then, on the eighth day I was sitting on the sofa and suddenly there was an outburst of tremendous energy tremendous energy shaking the whole body, and along with the body, the sofa, the chalet and the whole universe, as it were shaking, vibrating. You can't create that movement at all. It was sudden. Whether it was coming from outside or inside, from below or above, I don't know I couldn't locate the spot; it was all over. It lasted for hours and hours. I couldn't bear it but there was nothing I could do to stop it; there was a total helplessness. This went on and on, day after day, day after day.[10] The energy that is operating there does not feel the limitations of the body; it is not interested; it has its own momentum. It is a very painful thing. It is not that ecstatic, blissful beatitude and all that rubbish stuff and nonsense! it is really a painful thing.[10] U.G. could not, and did not, explain the provenance of the calamity experiences. In response to questions, he maintained that it happened in spite of his pre-occupation with and search for enlightenment. He also maintained that the calamity had nothing to do with his life up to that point, or with his upbringing. Several times he described the calamity happening to him as a matter of chance, and he insisted that he could not possibly, in any way, impart that experience to anybody else.[10][14] [edit] Post-calamityAccording to U.G., his life-story can be separated into the pre- and post-calamity parts. Describing his post-calamity life, he claimed to be functioning permanently in what he called the natural state: A state of spontaneous, purely physical, sensory existence, characterized by discontinuity though not absence of thought.[15] After his calamity experience, U.G. often travelled to countries around the world, declining to hold formal discussions yet talking freely to visitors and those that sought him out. He gave his only formal post-calamity public talk in India, in 1972.[16] Nagaraj who was sitting quietly all this time said, U.G., what exactly are you trying to put across? U.G. replied, Depends on you, not on me. This you don't seem to understand. You are the only medium through which I can express myself. His unorthodox non-message/philosophy and the often uncompromising, direct style of its presentation, generated a measure of notoriety and sharply divided opinions. At the extremes, some people considered him enlightened,[who?] while others considered him nothing more than a charlatan.[17] The clamor increased as books and articles about U.G. and his newly expounded philosophy continued appearing.[18] Several of his group discussions and interviews have been published in books, and/or are carried verbatim in various websites. There is also a variety of audio and
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Calamity of U.G. Krishnamurti
thx...I have difficulty figuring him out, like the other Krishnamurti. He went through an obvious metamorphosis but denys it to others. ... Leda and the Swan, by Kalmakoff http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/lacru/_p/leda/leda_swan_Nicholas_Kalmakoff.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: The moment you repeat that which is not yours, you have become the follower of somebody.U.G. why I am not surprised it is the naked man-who brought this charming constructivist embodiment, this Antithesis of perennial philosophy of thesosophical colour- up here on this forum,..finally ..Waited for this post and U.G. singing his songfor years Does someone question the timing and obvious relation and may be too much honor to maskedzebra #299555 post ? On the other hand what do I know about American TMO history and what turmoil MZ may had caused by his realizing the so(by so many expressed) obvious lack of compassion among the M. followers then in the 80s and their fascist insistence their perpetual malcontent their self constructed cultural environment, which demands compassionless ego driven conformity ? Man is just a memory. You understand things around you by the help of the knowledge that was put in you. You perhaps need the artist to explain his modern art, but you don't need anybody's help to understand a flower. UG --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: from Wiki - his Kundalini transformation. CalamityThe next day U.G. was again pondering the question How do I know I am in that state? with no answer forthcoming. He later recounted that on suddenly realizing the question had no answer, there was an unexpected physical, as well as psychological, reaction. It seemed to him like a sudden explosion inside, blasting, as it were, every cell, every nerve and every gland in my body. Afterwards, he started experiencing what he called the calamity, a series of bizarre physiological transformations that took place over the course of a week, affecting each one of his senses, and finally resulting in a deathlike experience. He described it this way: I call it calamity because from the point of view of one who thinks this is something fantastic, blissful and full of beatitude, love, or ecstasy, this is physical torture; this is a calamity from that point of view. Not a calamity to me but a calamity to those who have an image that something marvelous is going to happen.[10] Upon the eighth day: Then, on the eighth day I was sitting on the sofa and suddenly there was an outburst of tremendous energy tremendous energy shaking the whole body, and along with the body, the sofa, the chalet and the whole universe, as it were shaking, vibrating. You can't create that movement at all. It was sudden. Whether it was coming from outside or inside, from below or above, I don't know I couldn't locate the spot; it was all over. It lasted for hours and hours. I couldn't bear it but there was nothing I could do to stop it; there was a total helplessness. This went on and on, day after day, day after day.[10] The energy that is operating there does not feel the limitations of the body; it is not interested; it has its own momentum. It is a very painful thing. It is not that ecstatic, blissful beatitude and all that rubbish stuff and nonsense! it is really a painful thing.[10] U.G. could not, and did not, explain the provenance of the calamity experiences. In response to questions, he maintained that it happened in spite of his pre-occupation with and search for enlightenment. He also maintained that the calamity had nothing to do with his life up to that point, or with his upbringing. Several times he described the calamity happening to him as a matter of chance, and he insisted that he could not possibly, in any way, impart that experience to anybody else.[10][14] [edit] Post-calamityAccording to U.G., his life-story can be separated into the pre- and post-calamity parts. Describing his post-calamity life, he claimed to be functioning permanently in what he called the natural state: A state of spontaneous, purely physical, sensory existence, characterized by discontinuity though not absence of thought.[15] After his calamity experience, U.G. often travelled to countries around the world, declining to hold formal discussions yet talking freely to visitors and those that sought him out. He gave his only formal post-calamity public talk in India, in 1972.[16] Nagaraj who was sitting quietly all this time said, U.G., what exactly are you trying to put across? U.G. replied, Depends on you, not on me. This you don't seem to understand. You are the only medium through which I can express myself. His unorthodox non-message/philosophy and the often uncompromising, direct style of its presentation, generated a measure of notoriety and sharply divided
[FairfieldLife] Fred Einaudi's Unexpected Visions of the Apocalypse
http://io9.com/5068773/fred-einaudis-unexpected-visions-of-the-apocalypse
[FairfieldLife] John Carter and the Majesty of Barsoom
http://io9.com/5870726/john-carter-production-art-shows-off-the-majesty-of-barsoom?popular=true
[FairfieldLife] Sci Fi Walls of Wonder
Murals - click on http://io9.com/5870728/walls-of-wonder-amazing-science-fiction-and-fantasy+themed-murals?popular=true
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Wants To Be In Charge of the Bunting
Beautiful. From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 6:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Wants To Be In Charge of the Bunting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu2bgwcv43ofeature=relmfu --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Sh sh sHe wishes to leave a Ravi tune. The words will have to suffice for the chords. Is it to the tune of 'drunken sailor'? snip From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@ snip I wonder if he'll come on nice like, with a friendly Fuck You Bitches, or if he'll start right in with recommending sex acts. At any rate it's only a few short 48 hours when we may be graced with his presents, (intended) again. I wonder if he's put already put up a video on youtube, where he will address us with brutal nakedness. Anyone knows how we can search for non-public videos?
[FairfieldLife] City of Sin
City of Sin http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/las_vegas/20031020_vegas.html
[FairfieldLife] Beauty Girl, by Chen Hong
http://www.cgarena.com/gallery/2d/details/beautygirlafa072010.html
[FairfieldLife] Enchilada
by Robert Williams http://pbr2010.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/enchilada.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Sympathy
by Todd Schorr http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Z6ifnrXEL.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Kat-von-d
by Shawn Barber Looks like a failed attempt at Omnisubjectivity. http://www.creepmachine.com/images/imgred/shawn-barber-kat-von-d.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Memphis 77
It's not the Rajas, btw, ...it's us. http://mrhooperart.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/memphis77.jpg
[FairfieldLife] The Most Interesting Man on the Block
...I read an expose on the Dos Equis guy, the Most Interesting Man in the World. Actually, he's probably not. But here's the Most Interesting Man on the Block: http://mrhooperart.com/blog/?cat=3
[FairfieldLife] Featuring Charles Keiger
about 50 click-ons, traditional type of surrealism. https://picasaweb.google.com/CharlesKeiger/Paintings#5339532587826614578
[FairfieldLife] Duck Cowgirl
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_w5Y9upCTxMo/TUjKgb6TIeI/BeE/ojHbOu1Hl_c/s1600/DuckCowgirl1.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Melvyn Wartella
Melvyn Wartella's story (likely old news here). To me, I see a lot of commonalities in the actual said experience.. http://friendsofreality.org/ESSAYS/ENLIGHTENMENT/enlightenment.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Melvyn Wartella
thx, interesting non-progressive Neo-Advaitin, Awakening by Tree Hugging - that's a new one! Donations accepted, of course. Mark Ryden: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-BYd48CF56g8/TXl51B0Pe3I/A8o/BpDroC1dbHI/Ryden_Jasper_Ridin.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Melvyn Wartella's story (likely old news here). To me, I see a lot of commonalities in the actual said experience.. http://friendsofreality.org/ESSAYS/ENLIGHTENMENT/enlightenment.html
[FairfieldLife] Hortus Mirabilis
by Henry Fantazos http://henrykfantazos.us/Recent_Paintings/pages/Hortus%20Mirabilis%20larger%20image.htm
[FairfieldLife] featuring I Nome
devotee of Ramana Maharshi, has a center in Santa Cruz: http://satramana.org/html/satsang.htm not known to work for a living, to the best of my knowledge.
