Re: [FairfieldLife] The Kingdom of Bhutan inspires new centre at MUM
Don't you just hate it when genocidal countries inspire a new centre at Maharishi University of Management. On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:25 AM, merlin wrote: The Kingdom of Bhutan inspires new centre at Maharishi University of Management Global Good News staff writer --26 December 2011 Bill Goldstein, Director of International Development at Maharishi University of Management (MUM), felt inspired by his recent trip to the Kingdom of Bhutan. Mr Goldstein serves as an ambassador to education ministries in countries throughout the world, promoting joint programmes with MUM, which is located in Fairfield, Iowa, USA. After meetings in Bhutan, Mr Goldstein and other administrators at the university decided to start a new project. According to a university trustee who is involved in the project, 'One outcome of these meetings is the establishment, at MUM, of a new centre for the study of Gross National Happiness.' This centre operates under the Institute of Science, Technology and Public Policy. The Royal Kingdom of Bhutan is unique in the world for upholding the idea that the health of any society cannot be measured solely or even principally by material and economic measures of growth, such as Gross Domestic Product, or GDP. Instead, the government recognizes that the fulfilment and happiness of the people require balance in life, that inner life as well as outer life be nourished. The government, therefore, actively develops and uses more holistic measures, called Gross National Happiness, to assess national well-being and progress and to evaluate proposed plans for the country. Maharishi University of Management, due to its use of the most scientifically verified meditation technique in the world, Transcendental Meditation, in its curriculum, has had extensive experience assessing growth of happiness on an objective scale. 'The centre for study of Gross National Happiness at MUM will work not only theoretically, developing and employing measures of Gross National Happiness in an ideal society, but also practically to promote programmes that enhance balanced and integrated national life and development,' the trustee said. 'The centre aims to become a world-renowned institution, enjoying dynamic relationships with global experts, and would be very privileged to collaborate with the great pioneers in this field in the Kingdom of Bhutan.' © Copyright 2011 Global Good News®
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Genocidal Vajrayana Bhuddists of Bhutan
Every filthy act of murder, torture and ethnic cleansing deserves a filthy apologist! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 27, 2011, at 2:58 AM, shukra69 shukra69@... wrote: Once King Jigme Singye Wangchuk and his families realised that the Bhutanese living in the south were acively demanding genuine democracy he decided to send his troops in to quell the movement. Well over 100,000 people were expelled, others were threatened, tortured or murdered. This is the biggest forced eviction by a country of its own citizens in modern history. The Bhutan regime forcibly expelled one- sixth of its 600,000 population. On the 17th of December 2005, the 4th King, Jigme Singye Wangchuck, announced to a stunned nation that the first general elections would be held in 2008, and that he would abdicate the throne in favor of his eldest son, the crown prince.[38] King Jigme Khesar Namgyal Wangchuck took the throne on December 14, 2006 upon his father's abdication. Jigme Khesar Namgyel Wangchuck was adorned with Bhutan's Raven Crown at an ornate coronation ceremony in Thimphu on Thursday, November 6, 2008, becoming the world's youngest reigning monarch and head of the newest democracy.[39] Bhutan In 1991-92, Bhutan expelled roughly 100,000 ethnic Nepalis (Lhotshampa), most of whom have been living in seven refugee camps in eastern Nepal ever since. The Lhotshampa are generally classified as Hindus.[172] In March 2008, this population began a multiyear resettlement to third countries including the U.S., Canada, New Zealand, Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands and Australia.[173] At present, the United States is working towards resettling more than 60,000 of these refugees in the US as third country settlement programme.[174]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Blood Orchestra 2011
He slips in and out of samadhi during the reading as he accesses glimpses of the planets. He ends by initiating you into his devata and it's prayoga. On Dec 26, 2011, at 11:07 PM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: No, I haven't. I heard about him from KN Rao and members from another chat group. From what I heard, he has a siddhi for determining the location of the planets on a person's horoscope based on intuition or looking at a person's physical characteristics.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Blood Orchestra 2011
Are you talking about past lives here? Vaj: No, I was actually talking about family members who were Christian Martyrs, who came to the US to escape persecution... So, your family members, who were Christian 'Martyrs', came to the 'US' to escape persecution, and killed all the pagans, the mennonites of peace and from the decimation of the natives of the Americas? You are not making any sense, Vaj. You are probably sitting on native American land at this very moment! Go figure. The overriding symbols, for me, were the blood of Christofascism - and the wars of blood - from the genocides of the pagans, the mennonites of peace and from the decimation of the natives of the Americas...
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Genocidal Vajrayana Bhuddists of Bhutan
On Dec 27, 2011, at 2:58 AM, shukra69 shukr...@yahoo.ca wrote: Once King Jigme Singye Wangchuk and his families realised that the Bhutanese living in the south were acively demanding genuine democracy he decided to send his troops in to quell the movement. Well over 100,000 people were expelled, others were threatened, tortured or murdered. This is the biggest forced eviction by a country of its own citizens in modern history. The Bhutan regime forcibly expelled one- sixth of its 600,000 population. On the 17th of December 2005, the 4th King, Jigme Singye Wangchuck, announced to a stunned nation that the first general elections would be held in 2008, and that he would abdicate the throne in favor of his eldest son, the crown prince.[38] King Jigme Khesar Namgyal Wangchuck took the throne on December 14, 2006 upon his father's abdication. Jigme Khesar Namgyel Wangchuck was adorned with Bhutan's Raven Crown at an ornate coronation ceremony in Thimphu on Thursday, November 6, 2008, becoming the world's youngest reigning monarch and head of the newest democracy.[39] Bhutan In 1991-92, Bhutan expelled roughly 100,000 ethnic Nepalis (Lhotshampa), most of whom have been living in seven refugee camps in eastern Nepal ever since. The Lhotshampa are generally classified as Hindus.[172] In March 2008, this population began a multiyear resettlement to third countries including the U.S., Canada, New Zealand, Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands and Australia.[173] At present, the United States is working towards resettling more than 60,000 of these refugees in the US as third country settlement programme.[174]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
On Dec 26, 2011, at 5:31 PM, zarzari_786 wrote: Maharishi had a word for this, for people slipping into Brahman (or so) and not being really grounded: Moody Brahman Yeah, I remember him, didn't he play the sax?
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Well, almost an hour by the Web site timestamps. But no matter. Oh, yes, I must have been in Turya state of consciousness then (wink wink willy) Very impressive! So, we are agreed, zarzari_786: Yes we are agreed. but I thought it was Robin that had been in the Turiya state He was in a delusional state as of his own reporting. And that isn't turya. - now we've got a whole new set of claims from Zazari. Go figure. P.S. You can call me 'willy' if that makes me seem less human to you - I don't mind, but that's my email address. LoL! Okay, then richie? Or Richie Ji? OK, zarzari_786, but how, exactly would you be knowing anything about 'turya'. Turq says you can't get there without proof. Turq says you probably read about it in a book. Vaj says TM can't get you to 'turytita' at all. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] The Kingdom of Bhutan inspires new centre at MUM
The Kingdom of Bhutan inspires new centre at Maharishi University of Management Global Good News staff writer --26 December 2011 Bill Goldstein, Director of International Development at Maharishi University of Management (MUM), felt inspired by his recent trip to the Kingdom of Bhutan. Mr Goldstein serves as an ambassador to education ministries in countries throughout the world, promoting joint programmes with MUM, which is located in Fairfield, Iowa, USA. After meetings in Bhutan, Mr Goldstein and other administrators at the university decided to start a new project. According to a university trustee who is involved in the project, 'One outcome of these meetings is the establishment, at MUM, of a new centre for the study of Gross National Happiness.' This centre operates under the Institute of Science, Technology and Public Policy. The Royal Kingdom of Bhutan is unique in the world for upholding the idea that the health of any society cannot be measured solely or even principally by material and economic measures of growth, such as Gross Domestic Product, or GDP. Instead, the government recognizes that the fulfilment and happiness of the people require balance in life, that inner life as well as outer life be nourished. The government, therefore, actively develops and uses more holistic measures, called Gross National Happiness, to assess national well-being and progress and to evaluate proposed plans for the country. Maharishi University of Management, due to its use of the most scientifically verified meditation technique in the world, Transcendental Meditation, in its curriculum, has had extensive experience assessing growth of happiness on an objective scale. 'The centre for study of Gross National Happiness at MUM will work not only theoretically, developing and employing measures of Gross National Happiness in an ideal society, but also practically to promote programmes that enhance balanced and integrated national life and development,' the trustee said. 'The centre aims to become a world-renowned institution, enjoying dynamic relationships with global experts, and would be very privileged to collaborate with the great pioneers in this field in the Kingdom of Bhutan.' © Copyright 2011 Global Good News®
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vedic supremacism vs. the buddhism of Ambedkar
On Dec 27, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Vaj wrote: For more on Ambedkar and his battle against Vedic supremacism see, Dr.Babasaheb Ambedkar, the movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSA8-kjTkl8
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kingdom of Bhutan inspires new centre at MUM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Don't you just hate it when genocidal countries inspire a new centre at Maharishi University of Management. Every filthy act of murder, torture and ethnic cleansing deserves a filthy apologist! On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:25 AM, merlin wrote: The Kingdom of Bhutan inspires new centre at Maharishi University of Management Global Good News staff writer --26 December 2011 Bill Goldstein, Director of International Development at Maharishi University of Management (MUM), felt inspired by his recent trip to the Kingdom of Bhutan. Mr Goldstein serves as an ambassador to education ministries in countries throughout the world, promoting joint programmes with MUM, which is located in Fairfield, Iowa, USA. After meetings in Bhutan, Mr Goldstein and other administrators at the university decided to start a new project. According to a university trustee who is involved in the project, 'One outcome of these meetings is the establishment, at MUM, of a new centre for the study of Gross National Happiness.' This centre operates under the Institute of Science, Technology and Public Policy. The Royal Kingdom of Bhutan is unique in the world for upholding the idea that the health of any society cannot be measured solely or even principally by material and economic measures of growth, such as Gross Domestic Product, or GDP. Instead, the government recognizes that the fulfilment and happiness of the people require balance in life, that inner life as well as outer life be nourished. The government, therefore, actively develops and uses more holistic measures, called Gross National Happiness, to assess national well-being and progress and to evaluate proposed plans for the country. Maharishi University of Management, due to its use of the most scientifically verified meditation technique in the world, Transcendental Meditation, in its curriculum, has had extensive experience assessing growth of happiness on an objective scale. 'The centre for study of Gross National Happiness at MUM will work not only theoretically, developing and employing measures of Gross National Happiness in an ideal society, but also practically to promote programmes that enhance balanced and integrated national life and development,' the trustee said. 'The centre aims to become a world-renowned institution, enjoying dynamic relationships with global experts, and would be very privileged to collaborate with the great pioneers in this field in the Kingdom of Bhutan.' © Copyright 2011 Global Good News®
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Genocidal Vajrayana Bhuddists of Bhutan
Don't you just hate it when midwestern Vedic extremist madarasas try to jump on the Bhutan bandwagon! On Dec 27, 2011, at 10:32 AM, shukra69 wrote: Every filthy act of murder, torture and ethnic cleansing deserves a filthy apologist!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Genocidal Vajrayana Bhuddists of Bhutan
Ethnic Cleansing nablusoss1008: Nice find, thanks ! Don't you just hate all those 'Christofascists', that killed all the 'pagans', and 'mennonites of peace', and that decimated the natives of 'America', and the massacred of 'hundreds of thousands' of innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan, and especially those genocidal Vajrayana ' Buddhists' over in Bhutan, who were found out by 'Shukra' on Wiki Wiki! Gawd! How could that 'Vaj' even stand to live in an *Amerika* full of such murdering fu*kers? It makes me puke to even think of dialoging with with all these 'Vaj Buddhs', spouting out their hate on Yahoo! Groups! So, what do you think that 'Dolly Lama' is up this Xmas holy day, Nabby? Vaj would probably know, right!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Genocidal Vajrayana Bhuddists of Bhutan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_National_Happiness On Dec 27, 2011, at 7:33 AM, richardatrwilliamsdotus rich...@rwilliams.us wrote: shukra69: The Genocidal Vajrayana Bhuddists of Bhutan Don't you just hate those Bhutanese Vajrayana Bhuddists! Ethnic Cleansing http://teknathrizal.com/node/5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhutan
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO over Germany on the Holy Evening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFvHL5-KYOwfeature=player_embedded UFO lol, yeah,yeah, it's part of a sojus rocket coming down, everbody knows. It's just burning and coming down (not hitting anywhere) Sojus rockets are russian I believe. A russian rocket over Germany, well that would be quite some news ! If you're seing russian rockets over Germany, My god, where do you live? 1989 never happened? perhaps it is you that should be labelled a borderline :-) Of course, what else can you be, believing the media: http://news.discovery.com/space/santa-soyuz-reentry-europe-sighting-111226.html Which is just speculation ofcourse: The Belgian observatory solved the mystery on Sunday when it linked the sighting to the recent successful launch of three astronauts to the International Space Station (ISS). As you rightly put it; Yeah, right ! Same thing happened when an unidentified object created this over northern Norway, dec. 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sof_QK1z4b4feature=related The media claimed this also to be a russian rocket. Unfortunately the russians said they did not launch a rocket at that time nor do their rockets carry fuel that would burn to create any kind of patterns. And as with the german UFO, it was travelling way to low and slow to be the result of a rocket burning from hitting the atmosphere. Better luck with your explanations next time !
[FairfieldLife] Vedic supremacism vs. the buddhism of Ambedkar
Likewise, there is evidence that Siddharth Gautama, before his enlightenment, had studied with Sankhya philosophers in his own hometown. The original Sankhya philosophy accepts non-sentient matter (prakriti) as the only and the first cause of all of nature, including sentience or consciousness (purusha) (ibid., 381). Like the Lokayata, Sankhya too holds that the regularities and laws of prakriti can be understood through evidence of experience in here and now. This position is in stark contrast to that of the idealistic monism of the Upanishads, which treats the purusha, or the spirit, as the first cause of all of nature, the latter having a status of mere illusion. True knowledge, the only kind of knowledge worth pursuing, according to these Brahminical doctrines, is that of purusha, which being a part of the Absolute Divine Consciousness, is declared to be beyond the grasp of all mundane experiences of ordinary mortals. Thus, the pragmatism that Ambedkar highlights in the Buddha was always there in the Indian intellectual history. But — and this is crucial — it was always there as the repressed and the despised other of the true, transcendental knowledge of the Brahmins. Time and time again, the mystic idealism of Brahminism has ridiculed, absorbed, and in other ways demoted the empirical, experimental understanding of nature as avidya or false knowledge before the transcendental knowledge of the spirit: Gods love the mystic, Gods are fond of the obscure and detest direct knowledge, the Satapatha Brahmana taught. The available historical texts tell the grim tale of the victory of Brahminism; all that we know of Lokayata comes from the scorn and ridicule that was heaped upon it by the exponents of Vedanta; Sankhya was forced to compromise with Brahminism by gradually making consciousness (purusha) the cause of nature (prakriti) and by re-introducing thoroughly un-Buddhist metaphysical questions into the later Buddhism. What Ambedkar was trying to do was to revivify these suppressed proto- scientific elements of Indian traditions by presenting them as the core of the Buddha's teachings, and thereby turning them into the sacred duty of his fellow Buddhists. He believed, rightly, that the philosophy of nature and the norms of reasoning of science were fully commensurable with these, rather than with the Vedic monist traditions. Unlike the contemporary critics who see science as oppressive to those at the bottom, Ambedkar wanted to put science in the hands of the oppressed to challenge the traditional sources of oppression. Unlike those who condemn science in the name of the oppressed, he celebrated science as the weapon of the weak. What is more, Ambedkar placed the need for this epistemological revolution in Hinduism at the center of the cultural revolution needed for India to become truly democratic and secular. Creation of new cultural habits is the most daunting task facing the Indian democracy. Study after study shows that the constitutional promise of equal rights as citizens, regardless of caste, creed, and gender remains unfulfilled in practice. -Meera Nanda Prophets Facing Backwards For more on Ambedkar and his battle against Vedic supremacism see, Dr.Babasaheb Ambedkar, the movie:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Blood Orchestra 2011
On Dec 26, 2011, at 11:07 PM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: KN Rao's mother, according to Rao himself, was able to make predictions based on the person's physical features. She got so good at jyotish that she no longer needed the use of horoscopes. Yeah. Some yogis can predict time of death by just looking at you - indeed some such yogis and yoginis can predict world events, just by observing change, for example, the moving of rocks in a river, that's how integrated they are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
The thing that causes me to believe in this theory is the fact that RWC refuses to even consider it, even as a possibility. *His* subjective view is the only possible explanation. That's pretty much classic NPD/hypomania. Some people who believe they are enlightened may just be spacey. turquoiseb: Or delusional. I completely agree. I have seen nothing in RWC's performance here that rules out delusional, either then, or now. It is worth noting that most of the people discussing these supposed higher states of consciousness that some on this forum claim to have had are doing so completely from a theoretical basis. They have personally never had such experiences, and are basing anything they say on theories given to them by Maharishi, who IMO was in exactly the same boat they were. That is, only having heard about enlightenment, and never having experienced it. Even the early stages of it. Well, obviously, the only teacher to have been really 'enlightened' was your teacher, the Zen Master Rama, a teacher that even you certified as being an adept of the 'siddhi' of levitation, just like a Simon Magus. Which proves he was one of the few on the planet ever to have achieved that kind of enlightened state, that is, other than the Master Fwap, Fred Lenz's teacher, or maybe Lobsang Rampa. The only thing I can't figure out is, why Rama did not give you a spiritual name after all those years and all that money, like he gave to his dog 'Vayu'. Go figure. So, why I mean why, if Rama was NOT enlightened, would you have given him all those thousands of dollars to him and write that book about him with all those stories of you and him on the road trips? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Genocidal Vajrayana Bhuddists of Bhutan
Nice find, thanks ! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@... wrote: Ethnic Cleansing Once King Jigme Singye Wangchuk and his families realised that the Bhutanese living in the south were acively demanding genuine democracy he decided to send his troops in to quell the movement. Well over 100,000 people were expelled, others were threatened, tortured or murdered. This is the biggest forced eviction by a country of its own citizens in modern history. The Bhutan regime forcibly expelled one- sixth of its 600,000 population. http://teknathrizal.com/node/5 In the late 1980s and early 1990s, the country expelled or forced to leave nearly one fifth of its population in the name of preserving its Tibetan Mahayana Buddhist culture and identity.[32] Bhutanese of Nepali origin, mainly Hìndu, fled their homeland. According to the UNHCR, more than 107,000 Bhutanese refugees living in seven camps in eastern Nepal have been documented as of 2008.[33] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhutan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: The overriding symbols, for me, were the blood of Christofascism - and the wars of blood - from the genocides of the pagans, the mennonites of peace and from the decimation of the natives of the Americas, up to and including the massacre of hundreds of thousands of innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan. The emblematic blood of Jesus has inundated continents with their alleged grace. A grace of blood is no grace IMO, even if downgraded to the beautiful pre-christian symbols of bread and wine.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Genocidal Vajrayana Bhuddists of Bhutan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... wrote: Ethnic Cleansing nablusoss1008: Nice find, thanks ! Don't you just hate all those 'Christofascists', that killed all the 'pagans', and 'mennonites of peace', and that decimated the natives of 'America', and the massacred of 'hundreds of thousands' of innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan, and especially those genocidal Vajrayana ' Buddhists' over in Bhutan, who were found out by 'Shukra' on Wiki Wiki! Gawd! How could that 'Vaj' even stand to live in an *Amerika* full of such murdering fu*kers? It makes me puke to even think of dialoging with with all these 'Vaj Buddhs', spouting out their hate on Yahoo! Groups! So, what do you think that 'Dolly Lama' is up this Xmas holy day, Nabby? Vaj would probably know, right! Enjoying the safety and comforts provided him by the Hindus in India probably.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Blood Orchestra 2011
On Dec 27, 2011, at 2:38 AM, shukra69 shukr...@yahoo.ca wrote: my Mother consulted with Yogi Karve. Did not have any practical value for her. It depends on the persons's particular karma. But even if he's unable to give a detailed life reading, he at least gives the exact moment of your first breath, which is invaluable for practitioners who want to precisely look at the dashas and bhuktis to grok how their karma unfolds.
[FairfieldLife] Re: English and Sanskrit!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: Cool analysis of the syntactic differences between English and Sanskrit: http://www.danam.co.uk/Sanskrit/Sanskrit%20Introductory/06%20Lesson.pdf Just re-read the first lesson: http://www.danam.co.uk/Sanskrit/Sanskrit%20Introductory/01%20Lesson.pdf Everybody interested in Sanskrit should read that, IMO...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
On Dec 26, 2011, at 7:12 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@... wrote: According to Maharishi and according to tradition this [losing Unity Consciousness] is not possible. In this case it wasn't fully established. Either that or it never happened in the first place. That is, from everything that has been reported here that I've read, the entire episode sounds like a classic case of NPD/hypmania augmented by moodmaking and a desire to become the focus of other people's attention. There's more evidence to suggest this, as a common 'bragging claim' of Carlsen followers was the fact that he wrote The Discovery of Grace with commentary (I believe, or one of his tomes) by staying up all night and simply dictating it, in one go. To us rabid TMers this was just more evidence of enlightenment when, in 20/20 retrospect it was more evidence of hypomania run amuck. I've seen it happen before to other gurus who set up shop based on self-announced (and never verfied, even by their own teachers) enlightenment. While some passing remarks of Maheshiji were at first used to prop up his claim of Unity, later this was not enough. This culminated in RWC's court case against M. where it was required that M. respond on tape declaring or denying RWC's enlightenment. This was done and a tape was delivered to the court in Ottumwa, as with baited breath they awaited the final verdict, - which consisted of Maheshiji grunting a noew to the tape recorder. So the claim from his guru is that no, he was not enlightened. His behaviors continued to escalate and I believe, to this very day, if RWC sets foot in the state of Iowa, he would be detained for 40 days in the Jefferson Co. prison - possibly longer, since he skipped off to Victoria to escape his fate. The thing that causes me to believe in this theory is the fact that RWC refuses to even consider it, even as a possibility. *His* subjective view is the only possible explanation. That's pretty much classic NPD/hypomania. Yep. I wonder what his mother Norah - an esteemed and groundbreaking Ph.D. psychologist - would have said? I cannot help hear her voice in the psychobabble of Robin interspersed in his lingo back then. But if IIRC, she did not approve. She may have even been declared demonic - a certain, real shunning for anyone in the World Teacher Seminar. She left this world however in 2000, so we may not ever know, but it's an interesting part of the RWC story: boy raised by glass ceiling breaking female psychologist. And I wonder how many present day psychologists she inspired? Perhaps many. IMO, Dr. Norah Carlsen, Ph.D. is the more interesting story I'd like to hear. My belated condolences on the passing of this incredible woman.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Genocidal Vajrayana Bhuddists of Bhutan
shukra69: The Genocidal Vajrayana Bhuddists of Bhutan Don't you just hate those Bhutanese Vajrayana Bhuddists! Ethnic Cleansing http://teknathrizal.com/node/5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhutan
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
snip It is worth noting that most of the people discussing these supposed higher states of consciousness that some on this forum claim to have had are doing so completely from a theoretical basis. They have personally never had such experiences, and are basing anything they say on theories given to them by Maharishi, who IMO was in exactly the same boat they were. That is, only having heard about enlightenment, and never having experienced it. Even the early stages of it. authfriend: Says Barry, who, having experienced all the stages of enlightenment, is able to discern precisely what experiences others have had and exactly what state of consciousness they are in, including MMY. Jai Barry! Why are we discussing this at all when we could just ask Barry to explain it to us, the whole nine yards? Well, I think Barry already posted his explanation about his enlightenment experience - maybe not the whole nine yards - but most of it. It's the power of the 'koan' given out to him by the Zen Master Rama. Maybe you just missed the part about you being too ponderous to make the 'breakthrough'. In my experience, the real value of a koan, and why their value has been passed down to history but misunderstood, is that there is a power to a koan when it is *spoken* by a teacher. NOT as words, NOT in the same sense that many here believe a mantra has power, but a kind of synergistic thing, a perception on the part of the teacher that this *particular* set of nonsense words has the capability of providing a breakthrough for this particular student at this particular moment in time. And, sometimes, it does. However, the same set of nonsense words, spoken to another student, may have no effect whatsoever. The same set of nonsense words, pondered by someone ponderous, could only serve to make her more ponderous... Read more: Subject: Re: Two simple questions... Author: Uncle Tantra Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2003-03-19 07:00:21 PST
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Blood Orchestra 2011
He stated that her birth time was correct as recorded. The personal advice was not even valuable. I would warn against expending much time trouble or expense to consult with him or his successors. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 27, 2011, at 2:38 AM, shukra69 shukra69@... wrote: my Mother consulted with Yogi Karve. Did not have any practical value for her. It depends on the persons's particular karma. But even if he's unable to give a detailed life reading, he at least gives the exact moment of your first breath, which is invaluable for practitioners who want to precisely look at the dashas and bhuktis to grok how their karma unfolds.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kingdom of Bhutan inspires new centre at MUM
I myself do not hate anyone and am delighted that Maharishi's knowledge can bring peace and fulfillment to any nation no matter how tragic their recent history. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Don't you just hate it when genocidal countries inspire a new centre at Maharishi University of Management. On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:25 AM, merlin wrote: The Kingdom of Bhutan inspires new centre at Maharishi University of Management Global Good News staff writer --26 December 2011 Bill Goldstein, Director of International Development at Maharishi University of Management (MUM), felt inspired by his recent trip to the Kingdom of Bhutan. Mr Goldstein serves as an ambassador to education ministries in countries throughout the world, promoting joint programmes with MUM, which is located in Fairfield, Iowa, USA. After meetings in Bhutan, Mr Goldstein and other administrators at the university decided to start a new project. According to a university trustee who is involved in the project, 'One outcome of these meetings is the establishment, at MUM, of a new centre for the study of Gross National Happiness.' This centre operates under the Institute of Science, Technology and Public Policy. The Royal Kingdom of Bhutan is unique in the world for upholding the idea that the health of any society cannot be measured solely or even principally by material and economic measures of growth, such as Gross Domestic Product, or GDP. Instead, the government recognizes that the fulfilment and happiness of the people require balance in life, that inner life as well as outer life be nourished. The government, therefore, actively develops and uses more holistic measures, called Gross National Happiness, to assess national well-being and progress and to evaluate proposed plans for the country. Maharishi University of Management, due to its use of the most scientifically verified meditation technique in the world, Transcendental Meditation, in its curriculum, has had extensive experience assessing growth of happiness on an objective scale. 'The centre for study of Gross National Happiness at MUM will work not only theoretically, developing and employing measures of Gross National Happiness in an ideal society, but also practically to promote programmes that enhance balanced and integrated national life and development,' the trustee said. 'The centre aims to become a world-renowned institution, enjoying dynamic relationships with global experts, and would be very privileged to collaborate with the great pioneers in this field in the Kingdom of Bhutan.' © Copyright 2011 Global Good News®
Re: [FairfieldLife] Prometheus trailer
below From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 8:03:12 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Prometheus trailer Ridley Scott is a sometimes great filmmaker, but he got his start in advertising, so he is a genius at trailers. Here's his first trailer for the upcoming prequel to Alien, which manages to entice without giving away any of the plot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftuxbvGwiU Turn it up to 720p and go full screen. The trailer is so good, there is actually a trailer for the trailer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch_hhDLtrFE Check out the credits. Noomi Rapace (the original Girl With A Dragon Tattoo), Charlize Theron, Michael Fassbender, Guy Pearce, and Idris Elba. One to look forward to. ***BP: Barry, Happy New Year Bro, hope that *hot* date didn't disappoint. I apologize for my neglect over the holidays, but I'm back and enthusiastically ready to follow you where no poster has gone before. I trust you know how much some of us are rooting for you to make it as a film reviewer. I think its completely understandable for you to be practicing to be a film reviewer on a forum about spirituality, that is named for a town, where many people practice a technique you stopped practicing nearly *40* years ago. I also believe the voice you employ, which seems to assume there are no televisions in America, may have legs. For this reason I think it's important, whenever we can, that we lend you a hand with the reviews: The forum that reviews together, stays together, sort of thing. For starters, mentioning that Ridley Scott got his start in advertising might be considered one of those duh moments since most current Hollywood directors have made television commercials at one time or another during their careers. Your readers might find it more interesting if you mentioned RS actually got his start as a *production designer* in the early 60's, a good ten years before his television commercial period, and that the quality of the *production design*, in his films, is what sets his work apart from many of his peers. You could also mention that this was more than demonstrated in Blade Runner (many production designers consider this an immersion course in production design) and Alien, where Scott's artistic sense as a *production designer* lead to his brilliant decision to attach Swiss graphic artist HR GIGER to the Alien project, whose work, in many ways, made the film so visually exceptional. You might also point out that prior to Giger's work, on Alien, most people had never considered the fusion of organisms, and organic materials with industrial machinery, and technology; today, because of Alien, and the many movies that copied it's pioneering work, the public take this sort of visual fantasy for granted. You could also point out that Scott has been quoted as saying Texas Chainsaw Massacre, not Star Wars was the antecedent he referenced in making Alien. It might also be of interest to mention the script was kicked around Hollywood for nearly ten years, and almost everything from the original story changed except for the chest bursting scene which kept the Producers trying to green light it. . Scott was a British unknown when he was invited to Hollywood and offered the project with a $2 million budget, which obviously (good to throw in a few of these in your style of review) in 1978, was not the micro budget it is today. After reading the script it took Scott a week to produce a storyboard (again the production design thang) that convinced the producers to increase the budget from 2M to 11M. One of the reasons the Alien sequels, with much bigger budgets, have never achieved the brilliance of the original is that they have never achieved the authenticity of the world Scott, and Giger created. Scott does not pretend to be a writer; his noble failures can usually be traced to a weak script, whereas his great successes like Alien, Blade Runner, Thelma and Louise, and Gladiator had exceptionally strong source material; he knows what a strong narrative is, and his is smart enough to hire great actors and let them do their job, but his brilliance is in creating *places* (production design) where the magic can unfold (the fog and rain in Blade Runner). And just a heads up, a trailer of a trailer is called a *teaser*. And finally, as we all know, as often as not, an inverse relationship exists between the quality of a trailer and the film it's advertising. For this reason, you may want to stick to reviewing films you have actually seen, at least until you get your reviewing sea legs. As one of your fans; it seems to me you have two choices going forward, stop being so lazy, or don't give up your day job. http://www.hrgiger.com/frame.htm Spoiler alerts. (If you're one of the three people on the planet who have not seen Alien or Blade Runner.)
[FairfieldLife] 2011 Newborns Are Ugliest Babies In 30 Years
still some ways to go before the full sunshine of Satya Yuga it seems http://www.theonion.com/articles/pediatricians-announce-2011-newborns-are-ugliest-b,26177/
[FairfieldLife] The value of Celebration
from Vaidya Ramakant Mishra's Adishakti LLC: From the beginning of civilization, all over the world, people of every culture and tradition have organized festivals to celebrate special occasions. In India, many festivals are celebrated throughout the year and they're often dedicated to the remembrance of a particular God or Goddess. In Sanskrit, the word for any festival is utsava. Utsava means an occasion that uplifts and enhances positivity (utsaha). According to the shastras, utsaha is that which cleans the light of the soul (sattwa). This is a state in which silence reverberates into dynamism. The Uts-A represents the vibration of A, the seed of all creation, which emanates from the source of the soul's light and illuminates the mind so that the mind is empowered by the nurturing, all-knowing light of consciousness. The mind that becomes connected to the soul's light in this way reaches a state of joy, clarity, and purpose that reinforces the soul's embodied quality of bliss and pleasure (sukha), and decreases grief (dukha) and aversion (dwesha). The nature of festival celebrations allows for this dynamic to occur automatically. Most festivals embody a common association with the universal light of the soul through the lighting of candles or ghee lamps. The practical purpose of using candles and ghee lamps to dispel outer darkness also plays a role in deepening the connection between the mind and the soul. When we pray or chant in candlelight, the sound vibration of prayer, coming from the deep silence of the light within us, vibrates with candlelight and becomes a part of it. Wherever the unified sound and candlelight travel, inside and outside the body, they create waves of positivity that melt away karmic shadows of deep grief, doubt, and aversion from the light of the soul. When people gather in festivals and aversion is transformed into bliss, enemies become friends and despair and fear turn into hope. Carak Samhita offers more detail about spirituality-based psycho-therapy. For almost all mental and emotional imbalances, Carak recommends a therapy called Sattwaujaya. It means winning over the light, enriching the light, and cleaning the light. According to Carak, there are three kinds of soul light (sattwa): 1. clean light (pravar sattwa) 2. medium light (madhya sattwa) 3. low light (heen sattwa). Pravar sattwa people remain always connected to their inner light whenever the heart lotus is open. No matter what goes on around them, they stay upbeat, kind, and ready to help. They lead dynamic lives but do not become attached to any specific outcome. They remain blissful and free of aversion and when they encounter mental, emotional, or physical trauma, which is a natural part of life, they bounce back quickly without feeling bad or looking for someone to blame. On the physiological level, Pravar Sattwa people are able to respond to trauma without releasing cortisol because when the soul light is clean and the heart lotus is open, any mental or emotional trauma can be met head-on without any long-term effects. Medium light or Madhya Sattwa people have either a half-open heart lotus or carry the shadows of karma in their soul light. When Madhya Sattwa people experience emotional or mental trauma, they tend to go back and forth between positive and negative thought. They doubt. Often, they believe and don't believe in God at the same time. This dynamic creates cortisol, which can eventually lead to illness. If the light of the soul (sattwa) carries any bad shadows of aversion and misery, the light can be cleansed by raising the bar of bliss (sukha) and determination (iccha) and by connecting the pure intellect (satya buddhi) to the mental intellect (mano budhi). The way we celebrate festivals, with candles, light, prayers, and gratitude, raises the bar of bliss, which opens the heart lotus and allows the universal vibration of A to cleanse the soul light. Then, Madhya Sattwa can become Pravar Sattwa. Carak recommends attending festivals as therapy for most any kind of emotional and mental imbalance, and it is not rocket science to see why. We can all testify that going to celebrations uplifts our mood, inspires us to recognize the best in ourselves and others, and empowers us to pursue life-affirming action. The third kind of light, or Heen Sattwa, can be created by one of two situations. Either the soul light carries a lot of darkness caused by karmic misery, doubt, and aversion so that the darkness goes to mind and plunges the mind into deep negativity. In another case, a person's soul light might be clean and sharp, but the heart lotus has shut down due to emotional shock, so the mind cannot receive the light of the soul. If the heart lotus is shut down and the light is clean, attending festivals can open the heart lotus, and all of sudden, that deep, dark negativity turns into a great vitality, enthusiasm, and hope.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Vague, You and Barry give new meaning to the epithet Pond Scum, first you go after Robin's ex-wife, speculating on their love life, and now its his mother (neither of whom would give either of you the time of day---opps, I guess that may be your problem). Your poorly written fictions obviously have nothing to do with reality and everything to do with the shared Oedipus complex that draws the two of you together. If you're going to continue to *attempt* to write fiction you must look into a few courses; you *must* realize, its a discipline. vague |vāg| adjective of uncertain, indefinite, or unclear character or meaning : many patients suffer vague symptoms. • thinking or communicating in an unfocused or imprecise way : he had been very vague about his activities. DERIVATIVES vaguely adverb vagueness noun vaguish adjective ORIGIN mid 16th cent.: from French, or from Latin vagus ‘wandering, uncertain.’ From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:09:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula On Dec 26, 2011, at 7:12 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@... wrote: According to Maharishi and according to tradition this [losing Unity Consciousness] is not possible. In this case it wasn't fully established. Either that or it never happened in the first place. That is, from everything that has been reported here that I've read, the entire episode sounds like a classic case of NPD/hypmania augmented by moodmaking and a desire to become the focus of other people's attention. There's more evidence to suggest this, as a common 'bragging claim' of Carlsen followers was the fact that he wrote The Discovery of Grace with commentary (I believe, or one of his tomes) by staying up all night and simply dictating it, in one go. To us rabid TMers this was just more evidence of enlightenment when, in 20/20 retrospect it was more evidence of hypomania run amuck. I've seen it happen before to other gurus who set up shop based on self-announced (and never verfied, even by their own teachers) enlightenment. While some passing remarks of Maheshiji were at first used to prop up his claim of Unity, later this was not enough. This culminated in RWC's court case against M. where it was required that M. respond on tape declaring or denying RWC's enlightenment. This was done and a tape was delivered to the court in Ottumwa, as with baited breath they awaited the final verdict, - which consisted of Maheshiji grunting a noew to the tape recorder. So the claim from his guru is that no, he was not enlightened. His behaviors continued to escalate and I believe, to this very day, if RWC sets foot in the state of Iowa, he would be detained for 40 days in the Jefferson Co. prison - possibly longer, since he skipped off to Victoria to escape his fate. The thing that causes me to believe in this theory is the fact that RWC refuses to even consider it, even as a possibility. *His* subjective view is the only possible explanation. That's pretty much classic NPD/hypomania. Yep. I wonder what his mother Norah - an esteemed and groundbreaking Ph.D. psychologist - would have said? I cannot help hear her voice in the psychobabble of Robin interspersed in his lingo back then. But if IIRC, she did not approve. She may have even been declared demonic - a certain, real shunning for anyone in the World Teacher Seminar. She left this world however in 2000, so we may not ever know, but it's an interesting part of the RWC story: boy raised by glass ceiling breaking female psychologist. And I wonder how many present day psychologists she inspired? Perhaps many. IMO, Dr. Norah Carlsen, Ph.D. is the more interesting story I'd like to hear. My belated condolences on the passing of this incredible woman.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Happy Boxing Day!
Why not give a box of goodies to somebody else's servants? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 12:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Happy Boxing Day! Be sure to give some gifts to your servants! I don't have any servants because I'm not one of the 1%. But I've been getting acquainted with my new camera to find what all it does and doesn't do. One little unclear bit of information is that the camera does shoot in Apple's iFrame mode which is probably NOT of much use. iFrame was developed to make HD video editing easier but only supports a resolution of 960x540 which is kinda halfway between SD and HD. Netflix actually streams some of their non-HD offerings in this resolution. iFrame stores each picture as a full frame or what is known in MPEG compression parlance as an i-frame. Though I had my eyes set on a Canon T3i DSLR I couldn't justify the expenditure at this time and since I was given a Best Buy gift care a little over a week ago used it to buy a Canon PowerShot 310 HS. This camera supports iFrame but you have to use it from the manual settings. The camera does not have a 960x540 setting but apparently stretches the 960x540 image to 1280x720. Ugh, not so good as 720p should have more detail than that. So iFrame is of not much use. But the 1080p setting shoots at 24 fps which is what I've been wanting for years and the image is crisp. One 1.5 minute video I shot Christmas eve created a 440 MB QuickTime MOV file so there is little compression going on using the AVCHD format anyways and the file loaded fine into my editing software. Video analysis software showed it was pretty much as standard AVCHD file mostly of p-frames and some i-frames. My bet is the p-frames don't use a lot of compression. This camera shoots better video than my 2005 $1800 Sony camcorder which only did 1440x1080i and the Canon was only $180. The camera has both an USB port and an HDMI port. I'm using Class 10 sdcards with this camera which happened to be on sale this last week for $15. The higher speed card is recommended to prevent dropouts. And of course the camera takes great stills. I haven't had a really good still camera since I had an SLR back in the 1970s.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Hey Boob: On Dec 27, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Bob Price wrote: Vague, You and Barry give new meaning to the epithet Pond Scum, first you go after Robin's ex-wife, speculating on their love life, and now its his mother (neither of whom would give either of you the time of day---opps, I guess that may be your problem). Actually, she did give me the time of day, and an answer to whether R. was still alive - contrary to the disinformation that was coming from TM types like yourself. boob 1 |boōb| informal noun 1 a foolish or stupid person : why was that boob given a key investigation? 2 Brit. an embarrassing mistake. ORIGIN early 20th cent.: abbreviation of booby 1 .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
And what about my accusation that you're pond scum? From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 10:44:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula Hey Boob: On Dec 27, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Bob Price wrote: Vague, You and Barry give new meaning to the epithet Pond Scum, first you go after Robin's ex-wife, speculating on their love life, and now its his mother (neither of whom would give either of you the time of day---opps, I guess that may be your problem). Actually, she did give me the time of day, and an answer to whether R. was still alive - contrary to the disinformation that was coming from TM types like yourself. boob1 |boōb|informal noun 1 a foolish or stupid person : why was that boob given a key investigation? 2 Brit. an embarrassing mistake. ORIGIN early 20th cent.: abbreviation ofbooby 1 .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
On Dec 27, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Bob Price wrote: And what about my accusation that you're pond scum? Pretty hard in the winter Boob.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prometheus trailer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: snip ***This next one is for Robin and Ravi; without you two, this place just isnât the same. I have a bad feeling neither of them is coming back. What a loss, if so. Thank goodness you and Emily are still here. For spirituality, IMO, in the same league as Space Odyssey 2001. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_saUN4j7Gw Well beyond, by me.
[FairfieldLife] Hindoos and Christians (or both) acting strangely
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1104824--top-faith-photos-of-2011
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net snip Actually, she did give me the time of day ***BP: Now we're getting somewhere, Dr. Carlsen treated you and Barry for your Oedipus complex. Vague, Don't ever let anyone tell you you're not terminally unique, I am absolutely convinced you're the only person on the planet pretending to be a TM initiator.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2011 Newborns Are Ugliest Babies In 30 Years
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. These pediatricians are apparently trying to get publicity for their pronouncements. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@... wrote: still some ways to go before the full sunshine of Satya Yuga it seems http://www.theonion.com/articles/pediatricians-announce-2011-newborns-are-ugliest-b,26177/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Judy: According to Maharishi and according to tradition this [losing Unity Consciousness] is not possible. In this case it wasn't fully established. Zarzari: Either that or it never happened in the first place. That is, from everything that has been reported here that I've read, the entire episode sounds like a classic case of NPD/hypomania augmented by moodmaking and a desire to become the focus of other people's attention. Vaj: There's more evidence to suggest this, as a common 'bragging claim' of Carlsen followers was the fact that he wrote The Discovery of Grace with commentary (I believe, or one of his tomes) by staying up all night and simply dictating it, in one go. To us rabid TMers this was just more evidence of enlightenment when, in 20/20 retrospect it was more evidence of hypomania run amuck. Robin: There is no commentary in The Discovery of Grace. And I never dictated anything. I wrote in a state of inspiration, but always alone. It felt (in writing anything while in Unity) as if this must have been Maharishi's experience of writing The Science of Being and Art of Living. Everything was written in longhand. And the writing was always very neat. I consider those books an indictment of my enlightenmentthat is to say, proof of the final non-objective (not congruent with reality) status of my Unity Consciousness. Zarzari: I've seen it happen before to other gurus who set up shop based on self-announced (and never verfied, even by their own teachers) enlightenment. Vaj: While some passing remarks of Maheshiji were at first used to prop up his claim of Unity, later this was not enough. This culminated in RWC's court case against M. where it was required that M. respond on tape declaring or denying RWC's enlightenment. This was done and a tape was delivered to the court in Ottumwa, as with baited breath they awaited the final verdict, - which consisted of Maheshiji grunting a noew to the tape recorder. Robin: Maharishi summoned me to Seelisberg several months after acting out my meta-theatre of enlightenment and 'individuation'. There I talked to him personally, and while he did not exactly say: Go to it, Robin Boy! he nevertheless said nothing that would indicate that I should attempt to stop what I was doing. About six months later he sent one of his secretaries to observe and reflect upon what was going on among the TM teachers in the city where I was acting out my role as the enlightened man, and causing such fierce controversy among the teachers there. Once again there was no move to inhibit me in what I was doing. Maharishi's secretary stayed at the same residence where I and a number of initiators were living. We got along famously. There were other phone calls from Seelisberg, other messages from Maharishimeanwhile the show went on. Without any formal interference whatsoever from Maharishi. He had seven years in which to put a stop to this enlightenment nonsense, and he scrupulously withheld any censorious comments. I forced him to confess not only the validity of my enlightenment, but evenhere is where I went too far [not to say that I was in a hallucinatory state to begin withbut then, so was Maharishi himself]the superiority of my own version of the Sidhis. His back was up against the wall, and he did indeed make these gruff sounds nixing my enlightenment and my innovative updating of the Sidhis. But the ambiguity surrounding all this was too obvious. There was no sense of triumph for the MIU establishment; nor was there any sense of having learned Maharishi's true estimate of my enlightenment. It was all very murky, and I just continued to do what I was doing. Vaj: So the claim from his guru is that no, he was not enlightened. Robin: There was nevereven in the mind of Bevan, who played the audio tape of Maharishi in court that dayany clear cut evidence that actually altered anyone's understanding of what was going on. Maharishi it is true, did not endorse me as I was certain he would; but at the same time his actual words on that tape did nothing to clarify or resolve anything. As everyone realized who heard the tape or subsequently found out about its contents. Vaj: His behaviors continued to escalate and I believe, to this very day, if RWC sets foot in the state of Iowa, he would be detained for 40 days in the Jefferson Co. prison - possibly longer, since he skipped off to Victoria to escape his fate. Robin: There is a complex legal history to all of what followed after Maharishi's audio tape. Which included the conscious ignoring of the ruling that I must not hold my seminars within a certain geographically defined area deemed by the judge to constitute a violation of the territorial rights of MIU. I was found in contempt of court; there was an appeal. The contempt of court ruling was narrowly upheld, and the legal consequence of this was that I should be detained in the manner in which Vaj has described
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
On Dec 27, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Bob Price wrote: From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net snip Actually, she did give me the time of day ***BP: Now we're getting somewhere, Dr. Carlsen treated you and Barry for your Oedipus complex. Alas, we never met. But a relative did send me the family tree.
[FairfieldLife] Marriage Ends After 18 Days
There's something wrong with Sinead O'connor. She shouldn't have gotten married in the first place. http://music.yahoo.com/news/sinead-oconnor-ends-18-day-marriage-161032236.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
vajradh...@earthlink.net snip Actually, she did give me the time of day vajradh...@earthlink.net snip Alas, we never met. But a relative did send me the family tree. ***BP: Your VAGUENESS, Like I said: vague |vāg| adjective of uncertain, indefinite, or unclear character or meaning : many patients suffer vague symptoms. • thinking or communicating in an unfocused or imprecise way : he had been very vague about his activities. DERIVATIVES vaguely adverb vagueness noun vaguish adjective ORIGIN mid 16th cent.: from French, or from Latin vagus ‘wandering, uncertain.’
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prometheus trailer
Many thanks Judy, Hope you had a great Christmas and the very best for 2012. Like our American Caesar (except he's a Canadian) MZ has returned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6WioCDbC-Afeature=related From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 10:58:06 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prometheus trailer --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: snip ***This next one is for Robin and Ravi; without you two, this place just isn’t the same. I have a bad feeling neither of them is coming back. What a loss, if so. Thank goodness you and Emily are still here. For spirituality, IMO, in the same league as Space Odyssey 2001. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_saUN4j7Gw Well beyond, by me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
On Dec 27, 2011, at 2:14 PM, maskedzebra wrote: Vaj: There's more evidence to suggest this, as a common 'bragging claim' of Carlsen followers was the fact that he wrote The Discovery of Grace with commentary (I believe, or one of his tomes) by staying up all night and simply dictating it, in one go. To us rabid TMers this was just more evidence of enlightenment when, in 20/20 retrospect it was more evidence of hypomania run amuck. Robin: There is no commentary in The Discovery of Grace. And I never dictated anything. I wrote in a state of inspiration, but always alone. It felt (in writing anything while in Unity) as if this must have been Maharishi's experience of writing The Science of Being and Art of Living. Everything was written in longhand. And the writing was always very neat. I consider those books an indictment of my enlightenment—that is to say, proof of the final non-objective (not congruent with reality) status of my Unity Consciousness. They did seem rather impressive at the time. And I'm sure to many TM folk, they still would. I must have been thinking of 'the sutras of the personal' or something like that. Zarzari: I've seen it happen before to other gurus who set up shop based on self-announced (and never verfied, even by their own teachers) enlightenment. Vaj: While some passing remarks of Maheshiji were at first used to prop up his claim of Unity, later this was not enough. This culminated in RWC's court case against M. where it was required that M. respond on tape declaring or denying RWC's enlightenment. This was done and a tape was delivered to the court in Ottumwa, as with baited breath they awaited the final verdict, - which consisted of Maheshiji grunting a noew to the tape recorder. Robin: Maharishi summoned me to Seelisberg several months after acting out my meta-theatre of enlightenment and 'individuation'. There I talked to him personally, and while he did not exactly say: Go to it, Robin Boy! he nevertheless said nothing that would indicate that I should attempt to stop what I was doing. About six months later he sent one of his secretaries to observe and reflect upon what was going on among the TM teachers in the city where I was acting out my role as the enlightened man, and causing such fierce controversy among the teachers there. Yes, I remember you speaking (and writing of the Sunnyside experience). Indeed I liked the house. Charming. Once again there was no move to inhibit me in what I was doing. Maharishi's secretary stayed at the same residence where I and a number of initiators were living. We got along famously. There were other phone calls from Seelisberg, other messages from Maharishi—meanwhile the show went on. Without any formal interference whatsoever from Maharishi. He had seven years in which to put a stop to this enlightenment nonsense, and he scrupulously withheld any censorious comments. I forced him to confess not only the validity of my enlightenment, but even—here is where I went too far [not to say that I was in a hallucinatory state to begin with—but then, so was Maharishi himself]—the superiority of my own version of the Sidhis. Yes, that would have been the last straw. And I can understand why. His back was up against the wall, and he did indeed make these gruff sounds nixing my enlightenment and my innovative updating of the Sidhis. But the ambiguity surrounding all this was too obvious. There was no sense of triumph for the MIU establishment; nor was there any sense of having learned Maharishi's true estimate of my enlightenment. It was all very murky, and I just continued to do what I was doing. Yep, that's pretty much how I remember it. Vaj: So the claim from his guru is that no, he was not enlightened. Robin: There was never—even in the mind of Bevan, who played the audio tape of Maharishi in court that day—any clear cut evidence that actually altered anyone's understanding of what was going on. Maharishi it is true, did not endorse me as I was certain he would; but at the same time his actual words on that tape did nothing to clarify or resolve anything. As everyone realized who heard the tape or subsequently found out about its contents. I saw your expression the instant you emerged from the courthouse. The instant I saw your expression and those of your entourage, I knew what the answer had been. That's all I needed to see. Vaj: His behaviors continued to escalate and I believe, to this very day, if RWC sets foot in the state of Iowa, he would be detained for 40 days in the Jefferson Co. prison - possibly longer, since he skipped off to Victoria to escape his fate. Robin: There is a complex legal history to all of what followed after Maharishi's audio tape. Which included the conscious ignoring of the ruling that I must not hold my seminars within a certain geographically defined area
Re: [FairfieldLife] The two guys that tried to shoot Santa (was *something* about their image)
The wife said to tell you that if I hadn't had this effect on so many of her predecessors, we'd be happily retired in Napa by now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8myNz7SwUgEfeature=related From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 5:56:51 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The two guys that tried to shoot Santa (was *something* about their image) Bob, I would have married you too. From: Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The two guys that tried to shoot Santa (was *something* about their image) Emily, The wife said: I'm not sure about you, but from that cartoon I think Emily is psychic.'The wife asked me to send you this link to a song I courted her with; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLNF32bKed0 From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 12:24:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The two guys that tried to shoot Santa (was *something* about their image) Merry Christmas Bob! Yes, I was just telling the kids that wouldn't it be nice if we could spend next Christmas in Hawaii. Perhaps I'll move there in advance and pursue a new path as an abstract painter/beach bum bunny. Now, a little context for the comic below. I stopped in my favorite used bookstore the other day in the University District, Magus Books - the oldest independent used book store in Seattle, buying and selling used and rare books - right around the corner from my favorite brick storefront hole-in-the-wall coffee house, located in an alley a few doors down from where the the homeless youth congregate for a daily free meal...and, anywayI was looking for Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (yes, I'm going to read it before seeing the movie). They had one copy, a 1974 hardcover, which I grabbed off the shelf. While perusing, I noticed that they were also selling New Yorker cards and the line on this comic grabbed my attention as it includes several pertinent references and gave me a good laugh. I thought to myself, hmmm I should send this to HotBob (now referred to as Semi-PsychicBob)...he's been s helpful, after all. So, in searching the internet for this comic, I found it and was shocked to see upon reading the explanation that I had completely missed the subtext. I thought OMG, I can't possibly send this now...what message will I be sending...not the one I was amused at on the face of it...what will FFL think...I already made this big deal about not dating married menthis will be all wrong. I will have to cower in shame for weeks after this. And then, I looked more closely at the comic and it occurred to me that this woman is not even your type - her ankles are not nearly narrow enough and there is no armani in sight and I think you said you still have some hair left on your head and that's just the beginning of my analysis. So, I'm going to go out on a limb here and post it anyway. Now, back to a few final gift wraps and the best to you and yours :). From: Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 12:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The two guys that tried to shoot Santa (was *something* about their image) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE33l8JrFlQ A groan, a yell, and a loud crash startled me from my brandy eggnog stupor, the after burn from the nutmeg on my tongue reminded me what night it was; the tiny red, green, and gold lights, strung along the mantel, continued to blink through the dust coming from the fireplace, which had just disgorged what looked like a large red and white fur ball wrapped in a large black leather belt. In the shadows, I sat in the lazy comfort of my easy chair; the warmth from the computer on my lap felt as good as any Christmas quilt. Sure, he looked a lot like Santa (except for the tan), and since I didn't believe in Santa, how dangerous could a man in a Santa suit be, with what looked like a sack of gifts---who had just crashed down my chimney. I decided to sit still, and see what he was up to. He reached into his sack, and pulled out a bunch of stockings, and started to hang them---lovingly, one by one. He then took packages and bundles of papers that looked like contracts, from his bag, and carefully filled each stocking. In what seemed like a flash he finished filling the stockings; he walked over and helped himself to the burfi and lassi the daughter had left for him, and just as fast as he had arrived he was up the chimney and gone. After he left I unfolded myself, and went over and peeked
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Robin, delighted you're back. I was afraid you were through with FFL. Several attribution corrections below (you have me confused with zarzari and zarzari confused with Barry); plus a backup to your remarks concerning MMY's attitude toward your activities back in the day. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Judy: According to Maharishi and according to tradition this [losing Unity Consciousness] is not possible. In this case it wasn't fully established. This was zarzari's comment, not mine. Zarzari: Either that or it never happened in the first place. That is, from everything that has been reported here that I've read, the entire episode sounds like a classic case of NPD/hypomania augmented by moodmaking and a desire to become the focus of other people's attention. All this is from Barry, not zarzari. snip Zarzari: I've seen it happen before to other gurus who set up shop based on self-announced (and never verfied, even by their own teachers) enlightenment. This is also from Barry, not zarzari. snip There were other phone calls from Seelisberg, other messages from Maharishimeanwhile the show went on. Without any formal interference whatsoever from Maharishi. He had seven years in which to put a stop to this enlightenment nonsense, and he scrupulously withheld any censorious comments. In past discussions of Robin before he joined us, Peter Sutphen (he hasn't posted to FFL for some time now), who was in Fairfield on Purusha while Robin was doing his thing, asserted numerous times that MMY had told Bevan to leave Robin alone. According to Peter, Bevan's failure to follow MMY's order showed that MMY is surrounded by morons! snip Zarzari: The thing that causes me to believe in this theory is the fact that RWC refuses to even consider it, even as a possibility. *His* subjective view is the only possible explanation. That's pretty much classic NPD/hypomania. This is from Barry, not zarzari, as well. zarzari had his own rather slimy (IMHO) diagnostic-type comments to make agreeing with Barry's, but with this beaut of a caveat: I don't like it to be blunt like this, especially, since the person is here on the board. it is also not meant to be a put-down, these persons can't help it. Goodness me, who would *ever* think this was meant to be a putdown?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The two guys that tried to shoot Santa (was *something* about their image)
Steve, Like my cranberry sauce at Christmas; I look forward to your posts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkmP7TApdMQ From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 5:39:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The two guys that tried to shoot Santa (was *something* about their image) Bob, thanks. I remembered shortly after I posted last night, my other Christmas present. Skull Candy headphones. And I can't wait to use them to listen you the links you post. But I can't do so right now, cause the wife just finished grilling some filets, and I have to help set the table. But of all the posting, I've been clicking on only yours. Ciao for now. Christkas --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Steve, The very best of the season to you and yours; i still think you're one of the funniest people on this forum. Happy 2012 Thanks Bob. I remembered shortly after I posted last night, my other Christmas gift. Skull Candy headphones. And I can't wait to use them to listen to your links. But truthfully, the wife just finished grilling some filets on the back porch at 7,200 ft., and she also made some mashed potatoes, so I''m gonna have to listen to the link later. But of all the postings, I am clicking on only yours. So, I'm gonna help set the table. Ciao again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Ql1284QLw From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 5:53:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The two guys that tried to shoot Santa (was *something* about their image) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: In a sock marked *Steve* I found a box of DVD's called:  The collected works of Danny Kaye, and the following link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw8ZL_gcTSMfeature=fvwrel Bob, Thanks for including me in what sounds like a Christmas gift.  I am on vacation with the family and can't do much FFLing. I will tell you that Santa was very generous to me this year.  I got a new pillow pet which I use when I lean against the dining room table, where I often do computer work.  I got a bad of the local smoke house beef jerky.  I got a $45.00 gift certificate to Quizos, and one other item I can't remember right now, cause moma just fixed dinner.  Ciao for now. Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2011 Newborns Are Ugliest Babies In 30 Years
The Onion, which has been around for many years, is one of the most well-known satire sites on the 'net. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. These pediatricians are apparently trying to get publicity for their pronouncements. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@ wrote: still some ways to go before the full sunshine of Satya Yuga it seems http://www.theonion.com/articles/pediatricians-announce-2011-newborns-are-ugliest-b,26177/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Happy Boxing Day!
That's not the tradition. I heard Nicole Sandler explain it on her show and the tradition was that the rich only gave gifts to their peers on Christmas and then on the day after to their servants. On 12/27/2011 10:41 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: Why not give a box of goodies to somebody else's servants? From: Bhairitunoozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 12:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Happy Boxing Day! Be sure to give some gifts to your servants! I don't have any servants because I'm not one of the 1%. But I've been getting acquainted with my new camera to find what all it does and doesn't do. One little unclear bit of information is that the camera does shoot in Apple's iFrame mode which is probably NOT of much use. iFrame was developed to make HD video editing easier but only supports a resolution of 960x540 which is kinda halfway between SD and HD. Netflix actually streams some of their non-HD offerings in this resolution. iFrame stores each picture as a full frame or what is known in MPEG compression parlance as an i-frame. Though I had my eyes set on a Canon T3i DSLR I couldn't justify the expenditure at this time and since I was given a Best Buy gift care a little over a week ago used it to buy a Canon PowerShot 310 HS. This camera supports iFrame but you have to use it from the manual settings. The camera does not have a 960x540 setting but apparently stretches the 960x540 image to 1280x720. Ugh, not so good as 720p should have more detail than that. So iFrame is of not much use. But the 1080p setting shoots at 24 fps which is what I've been wanting for years and the image is crisp. One 1.5 minute video I shot Christmas eve created a 440 MB QuickTime MOV file so there is little compression going on using the AVCHD format anyways and the file loaded fine into my editing software. Video analysis software showed it was pretty much as standard AVCHD file mostly of p-frames and some i-frames. My bet is the p-frames don't use a lot of compression. This camera shoots better video than my 2005 $1800 Sony camcorder which only did 1440x1080i and the Canon was only $180. The camera has both an USB port and an HDMI port. I'm using Class 10 sdcards with this camera which happened to be on sale this last week for $15. The higher speed card is recommended to prevent dropouts. And of course the camera takes great stills. I haven't had a really good still camera since I had an SLR back in the 1970s.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prometheus trailer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Many thanks Judy, Hope you had a great Christmas and the very best for 2012. I did indeed, thank you. Hoping you the same. Like our American Caesar (except he's a Canadian) MZ has returned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6WioCDbC-Afeature=related And the hour of our redemption...is here! Too bad we don't have the triumphal music to go along with it. *Adore* the bronzed soldiers led by a bronzed MacArthur striding through the, er, waves! Never saw that before.
[FairfieldLife] The Wave how countries become dictator states
This is a fine German film about a school teacher who teaches a class about autocracy and in order to get them to pay attention turns the class into a dictatorship with disastrous results: http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/The_Wave/70084189 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1063669/ Speaking of dictatorships do you keep more than a weeks worth of food around the house or pay with cash? The Amerikan Gestapo will think you're a terrorist: http://rt.com/news/terrorism-credit-cards-government-613/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Hey Boob: On Dec 27, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Bob Price wrote: Vague, You and Barry give new meaning to the epithet Pond Scum, first you go after Robin's ex-wife, speculating on their love life, and now its his mother (neither of whom would give either of you the time of day---opps, I guess that may be your problem). Actually, she That would have to be Robin's ex-wife, not his mother, BTW. did give me the time of day, and an answer to whether R. was still alive - contrary to the disinformation that was coming from TM types like yourself. And this would be none other than our host, Rick Archer. To repeat Lawson's bemused comment on Vaj's assertion that it was most likely a rumor being spread by TM zealots hellbent on revenge: And why would TMers be hell-bent on revenge? A dead saint is harder to denounce than a live apostate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Mother, you..
It's funny, even my 'interviewers' when I was re-applying for the dome recently yearn for mother or father this spiritual way though their language may be paternal at times or cold science at other times. With my interviewers we had long conversation around these things. They are okay people enforcing some bad administrative guidelines of the TM Rajas. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In eternity, the Father begets the Son in his own likeness. 'The Word was with God and the Word was God.' Like God, it had his nature. Furthermore, I say that God has begotten him in my soul. Not only is the soul like him and he like it, but he is in it, for the Father begets his Son in the soul exactly as he does in eternity and not otherwise. He must do so whether he will or not. The Father ceaselessly begets his Son and, what is more, he begets me not only as his Son but as himself and himself as myself, begetting me in his own nature, his own being. At that inmost Source, I spring from the Holy Spirit and there is one life, one being, one action. All God's works are one and therefore He begets me as he does his Son and without distinction. Meister Eckhart Sermon 18 Raymond B. Blakney, Trans., Harper Bros., New York, 1941, p. 181 quoted in D. T. Suzuki _Mysticism: Christian and Buddhist_ NY: Harper Bros., 1957, p. 111-112, at sacred-texts.com --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: We are all meant to be mothers of God. What good is it to me if this eternal birth of the divine Son takes place unceasingly but does not take place within myself? And, what good is it to me if Mary is full of grace if I am not also full of grace? What good is it to me for the Creator to give birth to his Son if I do not also give birth to him in my time and my culture? Then, then, is the fullness of time: When the Son of God is begotten in us. Meister Eckhart, 14th century Christian theologian and mystic --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting though. Sitting around recently with adept people who work with and can see people's energy fields comparatively, the comment was that the Ravi Shankar AOL kriya people tend to have coarser chakra systems from the rawer kundalini that their pranayams give. The SRF (Yogananda) have sweeter cultivated systems and don't have that kind of evident coarseness at all with their kriyas, they seem to get nicer energy systems to work with. Ammachi people too have nicer working systems top to bottom. The TM people, are characteristically top lit while not connected much to the energy fields in their subtle bodies otherwise. Sometimes tremendous upper registers of their upper mental fields but not lit or home (integrated) much at all below that. Often the TM'ers seem not well embodied spiritually and often carry stuck flows in their energy fields. That's the comparing experience with it. That's actually true, it's the same kind of feedback I was getting when I moved out of TM. Later, through the spiritual work going on, that changed. It also corresponds with my experience. Yep, this person has been extrememely helpful to people here this way, Janet Sussman: http://www.timeportalpubs.com/sunpoint.htm In looking at it, for years TM meditators and their families in spiritual troubles with their own subtle spiritual physiology's have sought out help from her as spiritual things have got out of balance. Even with the top level TM folks. She has been an important resource out in the meditating community, along with the saints, healers and spiritual teachers coming through like John Douglas or the ladies. There are some other people here who are good at it too. However, these subtle system energetic troubles, even intermittent spiritual meditator depressions, rooted in the system, evidently get beyond the purview of just TM and TM-siddhis administrators. That Maharishi never really taught much about it makes one wonder how able he was with it; as in, even the enlightened can't know everything. Is interesting that M never cultivated or held out shakti-pat as a modality of his spiritual help. It wasn't his thing evidently. Neurol-plasticity and chakras? Integration enables us to be flexible and free; the lack of such connections promotes a life that is either rigid or chaotic, stuck and dull on the one hand or explosive and unpredictable on
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's Christmas Mea Culpa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Maxim's, sounded by, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzXKWKaxt3c It's tru, the TM Rajas stole Christmas too! Yep, those stinkin Pharisee TM Rajas. It is just so unjust what they done here. We could have world peace in the New Year but for their anti-saint policy. It's a crime. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: irony mode ON It has come to my attention, scrolling through a post written by someone I do read and thus having to scroll past comments made by someone I normally don't, that my biggest fault is perceived as not treating true-blue TMers on this forum as if they were intelligent human beings. Mea culpa. What could I have been thinking? How could I NOT consider someone an intelligent human being when they believe that: * TM is the best, most effective technique of meditation in the world, even though they've never tried another one and never will, because that would be Off The Program. * Paying $10,000 (at current prices) to learn and then think several phrases in English that you could have gotten verbatim from a $3.95 paperback copy of the Yoga Sutras is learning the same thing that Patanjali taught. * TM science is actually science. Tony Nader and John Hagelin are still considered scientists by real scientists. * Bouncing on one's butt using muscle power is not only the first stage of levitation, it creates world peace. * Entering or leaving a building from the wrong direction will cause bad things to happen. * Creating an imaginary country and calling people who pay a million bucks for the privilege Rajas (kings) and thus the rulers of this imaginary country is OK if Maharishi does it, and makes the country real. * Lying to the TMO about the other spiritual teachers one has seen in order to get a dome pass is ethical because if you don't admit it, you didn't do it. * Jyotish (astrology) and feeding people mercury and other poisons (ayurveda) are both valid sciences, and made even more valid when you put the word 'Maharishi' in front of them. * Yagyas actually DO something. * Hiring indentured servants from poor countries to chant for world peace is the same as working for world peace. * Maharishi brand Vedic honey is different than other honey. Given these and other indicators of intelligence, and the remote possibility that those who believe these things may in fact be human beings, I admit my folly in not considering those who believe these things intelligent human beings. How could I have been so mistaken, or con- sidered such people brainwashed robots or fanatics? I'll try not to let it happen again. irony mode OFF
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji
Yep, It is time for all the TM Rajas to back away from such a fruitless policy. They need to do whatever they need to put an end to it. It is time now to put an end to their suppressing the dome numbers by linking dome badges with the anti-saint policy. These TM Rajas, they should be apologizing to and asking for forgiveness from the community. All those ones on the stage at that meeting. Nadar-raam too. Yeah, it is a bad corrosive policy with only poor success that they have had with the dome numbers. These TM-Rajas, they are completely holding back World Peace. Given the quite strong and substantial peer-review science on all this, it would seem these Raja evidently are holding back World Peace with their anti-saint dome policy done this way they do. These poor dome numbers here have long been the problem of this policy they are keeping. It is a shame and a time is come to change it. En lieu it would not be a bad thing to prosecute them all for crimes against humanity at the World Court of International Justice in the Hague. Their own research on meditating groups coupled with their miserable dome numbers would convict them. It is a sad case. A crime. The domes are full of people right now who have visited saints. Yep, evidently the Rajas have produced two domes full of liars. That is a bad feeling there as in, not a good feeling to have there underneath. These TM Rajas, that large Prime Minister in particular, push people to lie, hide and kiss ass to stay in the domes. I interviewed a person recently who was on the Mother Divine program, she remarked that to survive on Mother Divine they would all lie, hide and kiss-ass about this. In people's life the TM anti-saint policy is quite without conscience for people to participate. The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Yes, it is really quite incredible that these TM Rajas should even be going against Guru Dev's very certain spiritual advice to make use of our time on earth particularly by being with saints. Oh Please! They are not going against Guru Dev, they are trying to follow the guidelines set up by Maharishi himself long ago. Now, leave Guru Dev out of this, we don't know what he would have said. MMY was entirely clear about all of this and never ever budged from his position. Maharishi was clear, at times. This policy, I know, has consolitated during the final period of his life, but it wasn't always the same. And Maharishi could make exceptions to this rule, as I already said, for example in Lelystad. I don't blame you if you don't know that, but he did budge from his position. But in setting up 'rules', he would have to teach the administration, and usually was strong about it, I agree. The Rajas have to decide to make changes that MMY never did He did. The rules before were different (for example before the Muktananda event), and he would make exceptions himself. Now, maybe Maharishi would have changed this rule by now, but don't blame the Rajas or anyone else. This rule came from Maharishi and he was BLUNT about it. I am sure he was blunt to the administration. Yet, as you say yourself, it may be time for a change. The Rajas had no problem skipping the always-wear-a-crown thing, or inviting Beatles back, and even more so, use them for publicity, something unthinkable when Maharishi was still alive. And they even loosened the saints rule a bit, don't forget, but what I suggest is, keep these changes logical and transparent. What is
[FairfieldLife] Hoist with his own petard
Posted apropos of nothing in particular, but just because I was thinking about it... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petard If a petard [a small bomb used to blow up gates and walls when breaching fortifications] were to detonate prematurely due to a faulty or short slow match, the engineer would be lifted or hoist by the explosion. William Shakespeare used the now proverbial phrase hoist with his own petard in Hamlet. In the following passage, the letters refer to instructions (written by his uncle Claudius, the King) to be carried sealed to the King of England, by Hamlet, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, the latter being two schoolfellows of Hamlet. The letters, as Hamlet suspects, contain a death warrant against Hamlet, who will later open and modify them to instead request the execution of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern. Enginer refers to a military engineer, the spelling reflecting Elizabethan stress. There's letters seal'd: and my two schoolfellows, Whom I will trust as I will adders fang'd, They bear the mandate; they must sweep my way And marshal me to knavery. Let it work; For 'tis the sport to have the enginer Hoist with his own petar; and 't shall go hard But I will delve one yard below their mines And blow them at the moon: O, 'tis most sweet, When in one line two crafts directly meet. After modifying the letters, Hamlet escapes the ship and returns to Denmark. Hamlet's actual meaning is cause the bomb maker to be blown up with his own bomb, metaphorically turning the tables on Claudius, whose messengers are killed instead of Hamlet. Also note here, Shakespeare's probable off-color pun hoist with his own petar, i.e., flatulate, as reason for the spelling petar rather than petard.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Prometheus trailer
On 12/27/2011 10:25 AM, Bob Price wrote: below From: turquoisebno_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 8:03:12 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Prometheus trailer Ridley Scott is a sometimes great filmmaker, but he got his start in advertising, so he is a genius at trailers. Here's his first trailer for the upcoming prequel to Alien, which manages to entice without giving away any of the plot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftuxbvGwiU Turn it up to 720p and go full screen. The trailer is so good, there is actually a trailer for the trailer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch_hhDLtrFE Check out the credits. Noomi Rapace (the original Girl With A Dragon Tattoo), Charlize Theron, Michael Fassbender, Guy Pearce, and Idris Elba. One to look forward to. ***BP: Barry, Happy New Year Bro, hope that *hot* date didn't disappoint. I apologize for my neglect over the holidays, but I'm back and enthusiastically ready to follow you where no poster has gone before. I trust you know how much some of us are rooting for you to make it as a film reviewer. I think its completely understandable for you to be practicing to be a film reviewer on a forum about spirituality, that is named for a town, where many people practice a technique you stopped practicing nearly *40* years ago. I also believe the voice you employ, which seems to assume there are no televisions in America, may have legs. For this reason I think it's important, whenever we can, that we lend you a hand with the reviews: The forum that reviews together, stays together, sort of thing. For starters, mentioning that Ridley Scott got his start in advertising might be considered one of those duh moments since most current Hollywood directors have made television commercials at one time or another during their careers. Your readers might find it more interesting if you mentioned RS actually got his start as a *production designer* in the early 60's, a good ten years before his television commercial period, and that the quality of the *production design*, in his films, is what sets his work apart from many of his peers. You could also mention that this was more than demonstrated in Blade Runner (many production designers consider this an immersion course in production design) and Alien, where Scott's artistic sense as a *production designer* lead to his brilliant decision to attach Swiss graphic artist HR GIGER to the Alien project, whose work, in many ways, made the film so visually exceptional. You might also point out that prior to Giger's work, on Alien, most people had never considered the fusion of organisms, and organic materials with industrial machinery, and technology; today, because of Alien, and the many movies that copied it's pioneering work, the public take this sort of visual fantasy for granted. You could also point out that Scott has been quoted as saying Texas Chainsaw Massacre, not Star Wars was the antecedent he referenced in making Alien. It might also be of interest to mention the script was kicked around Hollywood for nearly ten years, and almost everything from the original story changed except for the chest bursting scene which kept the Producers trying to green light it. . Scott was a British unknown when he was invited to Hollywood and offered the project with a $2 million budget, which obviously (good to throw in a few of these in your style of review) in 1978, was not the micro budget it is today. After reading the script it took Scott a week to produce a storyboard (again the production design thang) that convinced the producers to increase the budget from 2M to 11M. One of the reasons the Alien sequels, with much bigger budgets, have never achieved the brilliance of the original is that they have never achieved the authenticity of the world Scott, and Giger created. Scott does not pretend to be a writer; his noble failures can usually be traced to a weak script, whereas his great successes like Alien, Blade Runner, Thelma and Louise, and Gladiator had exceptionally strong source material; he knows what a strong narrative is, and his is smart enough to hire great actors and let them do their job, but his brilliance is in creating *places* (production design) where the magic can unfold (the fog and rain in Blade Runner). And just a heads up, a trailer of a trailer is called a *teaser*. And finally, as we all know, as often as not, an inverse relationship exists between the quality of a trailer and the film it's advertising. For this reason, you may want to stick to reviewing films you have actually seen, at least until you get your reviewing sea legs. As one of your fans; it seems to me you have two choices going forward, stop being so lazy, or don't give up your day job. http://www.hrgiger.com/frame.htm Spoiler alerts. (If
[FairfieldLife] upbeat-state-of-the-world
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Vaj: And I wonder how many present day psychologists she inspired? Perhaps many. IMO, Dr. Norah Carlsen, Ph.D. is the more interesting story I'd like to hear. My belated condolences on the passing of this incredible woman. Robin: Vaj: will you just shut up about my mother? You know nothing about her. You know nothing about me. You never met me. You are a victim of a disturbing obsession, and I wish you would get over it. There are standards of decency and taste, Vaj: You are bereft of what is required as the most minimal sense of discretion in order to have a civil and civilized conversation with an adult human being. I wish you would stop it. What can I do to touch your conscience, Vaj? You can't. But you could throw some dollars in his direction. I'm pretty sure that would make his attention go elsewhere in the TM-Universe and leave you alone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
On Dec 27, 2011, at 5:09 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Vaj: And I wonder how many present day psychologists she inspired? Perhaps many. IMO, Dr. Norah Carlsen, Ph.D. is the more interesting story I'd like to hear. My belated condolences on the passing of this incredible woman. Robin: Vaj: will you just shut up about my mother? You know nothing about her. You know nothing about me. You never met me. You are a victim of a disturbing obsession, and I wish you would get over it. There are standards of decency and taste, Vaj: You are bereft of what is required as the most minimal sense of discretion in order to have a civil and civilized conversation with an adult human being. I wish you would stop it. What can I do to touch your conscience, Vaj? You can't. But you could throw some dollars in his direction. I'm pretty sure that would make his attention go elsewhere in the TM-Universe and leave you alone. I'm a firm believer in supporting our senior citizens. But ones as clear as MZ usually don't need much primping. He still has a huge ego though, and that can always get expensive IME. But, hey, he could have our old iPhone if he needed it…sheesh.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prometheus trailer
I assume this consulting was a freebee. What's the going rate going forward in case Barry doesn't ask? Barry, Happy New Year Bro, hope that *hot* date didn't disappoint. I apologize for my neglect over the holidays, but I'm back and enthusiastically ready to follow you where no poster has gone before. I trust you know how much some of us are rooting for you to make it as a film reviewer. I think its completely understandable for you to be practicing to be a film reviewer on a forum about spirituality, that is named for a town, where many people practice a technique you stopped practicing nearly *40* years ago. I also believe the voice you employ, which seems to assume there are no televisions in America, may have legs. For this reason I think it's important, whenever we can, that we lend you a hand with the reviews: The forum that reviews together, stays together, sort of thing. For starters, mentioning that Ridley Scott got his start in advertising might be considered one of those duh moments since most current Hollywood directors have made television commercials at one time or another during their careers. Your readers might find it more interesting if you mentioned RS actually got his start as a *production designer* in the early 60's, a good ten years before his television commercial period, and that the quality of the *production design*, in his films, is what sets his work apart from many of his peers. You could also mention that this was more than demonstrated in Blade Runner (many production designers consider this an immersion course in production design) and Alien, where Scott's artistic sense as a *production designer* lead to his brilliant decision to attach Swiss graphic artist HR GIGER to the Alien project, whose work, in many ways, made the film so visually exceptional. You might also point out that prior to Giger's work, on Alien, most people had never considered the fusion of organisms, and organic materials with industrial machinery, and technology; today, because of Alien, and the many movies that copied it's pioneering work, the public take this sort of visual fantasy for granted. You could also point out that Scott has been quoted as saying Texas Chainsaw Massacre, not Star Wars was the antecedent he referenced in making Alien. It might also be of interest to mention the script was kicked around Hollywood for nearly ten years, and almost everything from the original story changed except for the chest bursting scene which kept the Producers trying to green light it. . Scott was a British unknown when he was invited to Hollywood and offered the project with a $2 million budget, which obviously (good to throw in a few of these in your style of review) in 1978, was not the micro budget it is today. After reading the script it took Scott a week to produce a storyboard (again the production design thang) that convinced the producers to increase the budget from 2M to 11M. One of the reasons the Alien sequels, with much bigger budgets, have never achieved the brilliance of the original is that they have never achieved the authenticity of the world Scott, and Giger created. Scott does not pretend to be a writer; his noble failures can usually be traced to a weak script, whereas his great successes like Alien, Blade Runner, Thelma and Louise, and Gladiator had exceptionally strong source material; he knows what a strong narrative is, and his is smart enough to hire great actors and let them do their job, but his brilliance is in creating *places* (production design) where the magic can unfold (the fog and rain in Blade Runner). And just a heads up, a trailer of a trailer is called a *teaser*. And finally, as we all know, as often as not, an inverse relationship exists between the quality of a trailer and the film it's advertising. For this reason, you may want to stick to reviewing films you have actually seen, at least until you get your reviewing sea legs. As one of your fans; it seems to me you have two choices going forward, stop being so lazy, or don't give up your day job. http://www.hrgiger.com/frame.htm Spoiler alerts. (If you're one of the three people on the planet who have not seen Alien or Blade Runner.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JehjqlzXwIQ One of my favorite Blade Runner scenes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE4HWJzBXUI ***This next one is for Robin and Ravi; without you two, this place just isnât the same. For spirituality, IMO, in the same league as Space Odyssey 2001. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_saUN4j7Gw                             Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Bob, does the wife know you are dispensing free advice to these guys? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Vague, You and Barry give new meaning to the epithet Pond Scum, first you go after Robin's ex-wife, speculating on their love life, and now its his mother (neither of whom would give either of you the time of day---opps, I guess that may be your problem). Your poorly written fictions obviously have nothing to do with reality and everything to do with the shared Oedipus complex that draws the two of you together. If you're going to continue to *attempt* to write fiction you must look into a few courses; you *must* realize, its a discipline. vague |vÄg| adjective of uncertain, indefinite, or unclear character or meaning : many patients suffer vague symptoms. ⢠thinking or communicating in an unfocused or imprecise way : he had been very vague about his activities. DERIVATIVES vaguely adverb vagueness noun vaguish adjective ORIGIN mid 16th cent.: from French, or from Latin vagus âwandering, uncertain.â From: Vaj vajradhatu@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:09:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula On Dec 26, 2011, at 7:12 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: According to Maharishi and according to tradition this [losing Unity Consciousness] is not possible. In this case it wasn't fully established. Either that or it never happened in the first place. That is, from everything that has been reported here that I've read, the entire episode sounds like a classic case of NPD/hypmania augmented by moodmaking and a desire to become the focus of other people's attention. There's more evidence to suggest this, as a common 'bragging claim' of Carlsen followers was the fact that he wrote The Discovery of Grace with commentary (I believe, or one of his tomes) by staying up all night and simply dictating it, in one go. To us rabid TMers this was just more evidence of enlightenment when, in 20/20 retrospect it was more evidence of hypomania run amuck. I've seen it happen before to other gurus who set up shop based on self-announced (and never verfied, even by their own teachers) enlightenment. While some passing remarks of Maheshiji were at first used to prop up his claim of Unity, later this was not enough. This culminated in RWC's court case against M. where it was required that M. respond on tape declaring or denying RWC's enlightenment. This was done and a tape was delivered to the court in Ottumwa, as with baited breath they awaited the final verdict, - which consisted of Maheshiji grunting a noew to the tape recorder. So the claim from his guru is that no, he was not enlightened. His behaviors continued to escalate and I believe, to this very day, if RWC sets foot in the state of Iowa, he would be detained for 40 days in the Jefferson Co. prison - possibly longer, since he skipped off to Victoria to escape his fate. The thing that causes me to believe in this theory is the fact that RWC refuses to even consider it, even as a possibility. *His* subjective view is the only possible explanation. That's pretty much classic NPD/hypomania. Yep. I wonder what his mother Norah - an esteemed and groundbreaking Ph.D. psychologist - would have said? I cannot help hear her voice in the psychobabble of Robin interspersed in his lingo back then. But if IIRC, she did not approve. She may have even been declared demonic - a certain, real shunning for anyone in the World Teacher Seminar. She left this world however in 2000, so we may not ever know, but it's an interesting part of the RWC story: boy raised by glass ceiling breaking female psychologist. And I wonder how many present day psychologists she inspired? Perhaps many. IMO, Dr. Norah Carlsen, Ph.D. is the more interesting story I'd like to hear. My belated condolences on the passing of this incredible woman. Â
[FairfieldLife] The Blind Diver
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[FairfieldLife] Dating Fascists
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
RESPONSE: I am grateful to you for pointing out some of my misattributions, Judy. I have made the appropriate corrections below. By the way, you were right: I was not planning on posting again at FFL. But I couldn't help acting when I saw the post to which this is a response. I appreciate your conversations with Emily about first person ontology and John Searle. You attempt always to give the fairest and most just reading of the posts at FFL. I was tempted to jump in there when you were interpreting me in my stead; but I had determined it was over for me at FFL. And now that I am back in here for a while I suppose I should try to respond to several persons who have directed their posts to me. Consider this me being just nice and chatty as I always am :-) Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Zarzari: According to Maharishi and according to tradition this [losing Unity Consciousness] is not possible. In this case it wasn't fully established. Barry: Either that or it never happened in the first place. That is, from everything that has been reported here that I've read, the entire episode sounds like a classic case of NPD/hypomania augmented by moodmaking and a desire to become the focus of other people's attention. Vaj: There's more evidence to suggest this, as a common 'bragging claim' of Carlsen followers was the fact that he wrote The Discovery of Grace with commentary (I believe, or one of his tomes) by staying up all night and simply dictating it, in one go. To us rabid TMers this was just more evidence of enlightenment when, in 20/20 retrospect it was more evidence of hypomania run amuck. Robin: There is no commentary in The Discovery of Grace. And I never dictated anything. I wrote in a state of inspiration, but always alone. It felt (in writing anything while in Unity) as if this must have been Maharishi's experience of writing The Science of Being and Art of Living. Everything was written in longhand. And the writing was always very neat. I consider those books an indictment of my enlightenmentthat is to say, proof of the final non-objective (not congruent with reality) status of my Unity Consciousness. Barry: I've seen it happen before to other gurus who set up shop based on self-announced (and never verfied, even by their own teachers) enlightenment. Vaj: While some passing remarks of Maheshiji were at first used to prop up his claim of Unity, later this was not enough. This culminated in RWC's court case against M. where it was required that M. respond on tape declaring or denying RWC's enlightenment. This was done and a tape was delivered to the court in Ottumwa, as with baited breath they awaited the final verdict, - which consisted of Maheshiji grunting a noew to the tape recorder. Robin: Maharishi summoned me to Seelisberg several months after acting out my meta-theatre of enlightenment and 'individuation'. There I talked to him personally, and while he did not exactly say: Go to it, Robin Boy! he nevertheless said nothing that would indicate that I should attempt to stop what I was doing. About six months later he sent one of his secretaries to observe and reflect upon what was going on among the TM teachers in the city where I was acting out my role as the enlightened man, and causing such fierce controversy among the teachers there. Once again there was no move to inhibit me in what I was doing. Maharishi's secretary stayed at the same residence where I and a number of initiators were living. We got along famously. There were other phone calls from Seelisberg, other messages from Maharishimeanwhile the show went on. Without any formal interference whatsoever from Maharishi. He had seven years in which to put a stop to this enlightenment nonsense, and he scrupulously withheld any censorious comments. I forced him to confess not only the validity of my enlightenment, but evenhere is where I went too far [not to say that I was in a hallucinatory state to begin withbut then, so was Maharishi himself]the superiority of my own version of the Sidhis. His back was up against the wall, and he did indeed make these gruff sounds nixing my enlightenment and my innovative updating of the Sidhis. But the ambiguity surrounding all this was too obvious. There was no sense of triumph for the MIU establishment; nor was there any sense of having learned Maharishi's true estimate of my enlightenment. It was all very murky, and I just continued to do what I was doing. Vaj: So the claim from his guru is that no, he was not enlightened. Robin: There was nevereven in the mind of Bevan, who played the audio tape of Maharishi in court that dayany clear cut evidence that actually altered anyone's understanding of what was going on. Maharishi it is true, did not endorse me as I was certain he would; but at the same time his
[FairfieldLife] ALIEN INVASION MOVIES OF 2011
Here's a growing list of alien invasion films of 2011. http://www.moviereviewsfromaspiritualperspective.com/mainstream-movie-reviews/alien-invasion-movies-of-2011
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
On Dec 27, 2011, at 6:47 PM, maskedzebra wrote: But I couldn't help acting when I saw the post to which this is a response. Well, look who fell for the bait.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's Christmas Mea Culpa
You do have to wonder how much time was spent producing this post. I am going to say 15 minutes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: irony mode ON It has come to my attention, scrolling through a post written by someone I do read and thus having to scroll past comments made by someone I normally don't, that my biggest fault is perceived as not treating true-blue TMers on this forum as if they were intelligent human beings. Mea culpa. What could I have been thinking? How could I NOT consider someone an intelligent human being when they believe that: * TM is the best, most effective technique of meditation in the world, even though they've never tried another one and never will, because that would be Off The Program. * Paying $10,000 (at current prices) to learn and then think several phrases in English that you could have gotten verbatim from a $3.95 paperback copy of the Yoga Sutras is learning the same thing that Patanjali taught. * TM science is actually science. Tony Nader and John Hagelin are still considered scientists by real scientists. * Bouncing on one's butt using muscle power is not only the first stage of levitation, it creates world peace. * Entering or leaving a building from the wrong direction will cause bad things to happen. * Creating an imaginary country and calling people who pay a million bucks for the privilege Rajas (kings) and thus the rulers of this imaginary country is OK if Maharishi does it, and makes the country real. * Lying to the TMO about the other spiritual teachers one has seen in order to get a dome pass is ethical because if you don't admit it, you didn't do it. * Jyotish (astrology) and feeding people mercury and other poisons (ayurveda) are both valid sciences, and made even more valid when you put the word 'Maharishi' in front of them. * Yagyas actually DO something. * Hiring indentured servants from poor countries to chant for world peace is the same as working for world peace. * Maharishi brand Vedic honey is different than other honey. Given these and other indicators of intelligence, and the remote possibility that those who believe these things may in fact be human beings, I admit my folly in not considering those who believe these things intelligent human beings. How could I have been so mistaken, or con- sidered such people brainwashed robots or fanatics? I'll try not to let it happen again. irony mode OFF
[FairfieldLife] Flying Lessons
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
It is worth noting that most of the people discussing these supposed higher states of consciousness that some on this forum claim to have had are doing so completely from a theoretical basis. They have personally never had such experiences, and are basing anything they say on theories given to them by Maharishi, who IMO was in exactly the same boat they were. That is, only having heard about enlightenment, and never having experienced it. Even the early stages of it. Well, I think you've broken some new ground in your evaluation of MMY. Previously you seemed to be willling to give him at least a little credit in the spirituality dept. Evidently even this has now been rescinded. I wonder what we can expect for 2012? Maybe that he didn't exist at all. That he was a just figment of TBs imagination. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prometheus trailer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Many thanks Judy, Hope you had a great Christmas and the very best for 2012. Like our American Caesar (except he's a Canadian) MZ has returned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6WioCDbC-Afeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6WioCDbC-Afeature=related Now we just await the return of our American Yogi. From: authfriend jstein@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 10:58:06 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prometheus trailer --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: snip ***This next one is for Robin and Ravi; without you two, this place just isnââ¬â¢t the same. I have a bad feeling neither of them is coming back. What a loss, if so. Thank goodness you and Emily are still here. For spirituality, IMO, in the same league as Space Odyssey 2001. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_saUN4j7Gw Well beyond, by me. Â
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
On Dec 27, 2011, at 7:43 PM, seventhray1 wrote: It is worth noting that most of the people discussing these supposed higher states of consciousness that some on this forum claim to have had are doing so completely from a theoretical basis. They have personally never had such experiences, and are basing anything they say on theories given to them by Maharishi, who IMO was in exactly the same boat they were. That is, only having heard about enlightenment, and never having experienced it. Even the early stages of it. Well, I think you've broken some new ground in your evaluation of MMY. Previously you seemed to be willling to give him at least a little credit in the spirituality dept. Evidently even this has now been rescinded. It's relatively easy reality to accept, esp. if you realize what close associates had been saying for decades: Maheshiji does not meditate, he only meets with business people all day long and has yagyas outsourced on his behalf. Effete TB's wax that as 'he's a yogi, so therefore he's in nitya-samadhi', at least CC - no big deal. There are people who still actually believe this story. Seriously.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Somebody tell me that I am a sap. Somebody tell me that this is all made up. Because Vaj's responses sound credible to me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 27, 2011, at 2:14 PM, maskedzebra wrote: Vaj: There's more evidence to suggest this, as a common 'bragging claim' of Carlsen followers was the fact that he wrote The Discovery of Grace with commentary (I believe, or one of his tomes) by staying up all night and simply dictating it, in one go. To us rabid TMers this was just more evidence of enlightenment when, in 20/20 retrospect it was more evidence of hypomania run amuck. Robin: There is no commentary in The Discovery of Grace. And I never dictated anything. I wrote in a state of inspiration, but always alone. It felt (in writing anything while in Unity) as if this must have been Maharishi's experience of writing The Science of Being and Art of Living. Everything was written in longhand. And the writing was always very neat. I consider those books an indictment of my enlightenmentthat is to say, proof of the final non-objective (not congruent with reality) status of my Unity Consciousness. They did seem rather impressive at the time. And I'm sure to many TM folk, they still would. I must have been thinking of 'the sutras of the personal' or something like that. Zarzari: I've seen it happen before to other gurus who set up shop based on self-announced (and never verfied, even by their own teachers) enlightenment. Vaj: While some passing remarks of Maheshiji were at first used to prop up his claim of Unity, later this was not enough. This culminated in RWC's court case against M. where it was required that M. respond on tape declaring or denying RWC's enlightenment. This was done and a tape was delivered to the court in Ottumwa, as with baited breath they awaited the final verdict, - which consisted of Maheshiji grunting a noew to the tape recorder. Robin: Maharishi summoned me to Seelisberg several months after acting out my meta-theatre of enlightenment and 'individuation'. There I talked to him personally, and while he did not exactly say: Go to it, Robin Boy! he nevertheless said nothing that would indicate that I should attempt to stop what I was doing. About six months later he sent one of his secretaries to observe and reflect upon what was going on among the TM teachers in the city where I was acting out my role as the enlightened man, and causing such fierce controversy among the teachers there. Yes, I remember you speaking (and writing of the Sunnyside experience). Indeed I liked the house. Charming. Once again there was no move to inhibit me in what I was doing. Maharishi's secretary stayed at the same residence where I and a number of initiators were living. We got along famously. There were other phone calls from Seelisberg, other messages from Maharishimeanwhile the show went on. Without any formal interference whatsoever from Maharishi. He had seven years in which to put a stop to this enlightenment nonsense, and he scrupulously withheld any censorious comments. I forced him to confess not only the validity of my enlightenment, but evenhere is where I went too far [not to say that I was in a hallucinatory state to begin withbut then, so was Maharishi himself]the superiority of my own version of the Sidhis. Yes, that would have been the last straw. And I can understand why. His back was up against the wall, and he did indeed make these gruff sounds nixing my enlightenment and my innovative updating of the Sidhis. But the ambiguity surrounding all this was too obvious. There was no sense of triumph for the MIU establishment; nor was there any sense of having learned Maharishi's true estimate of my enlightenment. It was all very murky, and I just continued to do what I was doing. Yep, that's pretty much how I remember it. Vaj: So the claim from his guru is that no, he was not enlightened. Robin: There was nevereven in the mind of Bevan, who played the audio tape of Maharishi in court that dayany clear cut evidence that actually altered anyone's understanding of what was going on. Maharishi it is true, did not endorse me as I was certain he would; but at the same time his actual words on that tape did nothing to clarify or resolve anything. As everyone realized who heard the tape or subsequently found out about its contents. I saw your expression the instant you emerged from the courthouse. The instant I saw your expression and those of your entourage, I knew what the answer had been. That's all I needed to see. Vaj: His behaviors continued to escalate and I believe, to this very day, if RWC sets foot in the state of Iowa, he would be detained for 40 days in the Jefferson Co. prison - possibly longer, since he skipped off to Victoria to escape his fate. Robin: There is
[FairfieldLife] Birth of Venus
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Re: [FairfieldLife] SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
On Dec 27, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Vaj wrote: They did seem rather impressive at the time. And I'm sure to many TM folk, they still would. I must have been thinking of 'the sutras of the personal' or something like that. _What is Enlightenment? Sutras of the Personal with Commentary_ This particular book has no ISBN. Printers were allegedly being harassed by TM-cultists, and consequently it mentions no Printer or Publisher. The original sutra actually has an ISBN of 0-920910-01-7 and is by Snow Man Press.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The two guys that tried to shoot Santa (was *something* about their image)
You read minds, Mr. Price and wife. Mr. Bean and I have a lot in common and I did not notice this before. Thank you for the update. : ) Our Holiday meal, set with long time T'aters, m'kay, and not being on the full organic budget these days, well, I had to compromise, just short of cutting the toothpicks out of the Neem tree. Try to hide non-organic juice in the punchwhew-throw the bottle out quick and smile! Little bit of corn syrup sweetened ginger ale, is what 4 for 5 dollars can buy! Amrit Kalash basted oatmeal cookies, were actually made with Chavanprash. Tumeric works color wonders in the absence of Saffron. ; ) Oh, my program? A minute before bedtime. Just pretend to do the asana stretches in the kitchen while standing, then your guests will know you had been slaving in the kitchen all day and just the sight of the attempt is good enough when your guests are full blown hungry and will eat a cow. No one will report you to the dome badge nazi's. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Obbajeeba, On behalf of the wife and myself, kiss kiss back at you, and a very happy boxing day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U24g88GNgMI From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 9:18:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The two guys that tried to shoot Santa (was *something* about their image) Oh Bob and wife, KISS KISS KISS and HUG! My other favorite thing to do is press the Try Me, buttons on all the electronic noisy, dancing, blinking toys, all stacked upon and around each other. The goal is to see how many toys one can get going consecutively and also to see who gets pissed off first, the employees or the customers, when one pushes, Try Me, on the displayed toys. Thank you so very much. Mr. Bean is awesome. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE33l8JrFlQ A groan, a yell, and a loud crash startled me from my brandy eggnog stupor, the after burn from the nutmeg on my tongue reminded me what night it was; the tiny red, green, and gold lights, strung along the mantel, continued to blink through the dust coming from the fireplace, which had just disgorged what looked like a large red and white fur ball wrapped in a large black leather belt. In the shadows, I sat in the lazy comfort of my easy chair; the warmth from the computer on my lap felt as good as any Christmas quilt. Sure, he looked a lot like Santa (except for the tan), and since I didn't believe in Santa, how dangerous could a man in a Santa suit be, with what looked like a sack of gifts---who had just crashed down my chimney. I decided to sit still, and see what he was up to. He reached into his sack, and pulled out a bunch of stockings, and started to hang them---lovingly, one by one. He then took packages and bundles of papers that looked like contracts, from his bag, and carefully filled each stocking. In what seemed like a flash he finished filling the stockings; he walked over and helped himself to the burfi and lassi the daughter had left for him, and just as fast as he had arrived he was up the chimney and gone. After he left I unfolded myself, and went over and peeked in the stocking. In a sock marked *Barry* I found a small Dictaphone, and the following link: http://www.stenold.org/Cour_secretary.asp In a sock marked *Curtis* I found a telephone numbers with the name Robert Johnson written under it, and the following link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBqfZ5d5zw8feature=related In a sock marked *MZ* I found a leather bound copy of a book called: Tractatus Logico Philosophicus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CICjJpyz55ofature=fvwrel ÃÂ ÃÂ In a sock marked *Judy*, he put a copy of The Conversations, and the following link: http://www.iofilm.co.uk/io/mit/001/murch.php In a sock marked *Alex*, I found a old 45 of this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HJ7w9MTCqs In a sock marked *RD* I found a book called The truth is highly overrated: The Autobiography of Roger Ailes. In a sock marked *Rick* I found a term sheet for Batgap from Harpo Inc. In a sock marked *Bob* I found a memo from CAA stating: LSD, The Inside Story has been green lit by WB. In a sock marked *Steve* I found a box of DVD's called: ÃÂ The collected works of Danny Kaye, and the following link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw8ZL_gcTSMfeature=fvwrel In a sock marked *Emily* I found a paint set and a ticket to Maui. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7KbXH67zIgfeature=related In a sock marked *emptybill* I found this:
[FairfieldLife] Portrait of Elsbeth Tucher
Albrecht Durer, 1499 http://www.abcgallery.com/D/durer/durer25.html
[FairfieldLife] Beethoven
by Joseph Karl Steiler http://www.artexpertswebsite.com/pages/artists/artists_l-z/stieler/Stieler_Beethoven.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
I do have one question, Vaj, if you're listening. You are on record saying that you were not allowed to attend MIU by your parents. But evidently you were in Fairfield to witness certain events in RWC saga. Do I have this right? Thanks for a reply if you are so inclined. I saw your expression the instant you emerged from the courthouse. The instant I saw your expression and those of your entourage, I knew what the answer had been. That's all I needed to see.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
On Dec 27, 2011, at 8:41 PM, seventhray1 wrote: I do have one question, Vaj, if you're listening. You are on record saying that you were not allowed to attend MIU by your parents. But evidently you were in Fairfield to witness certain events in RWC saga. Do I have this right? Thanks for a reply if you are so inclined. Yes, that's exactly correct.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The two guys that tried to shoot Santa (was *something* about their image)
One for the Best Of for FFL 2011. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: The wife said to tell you that if I hadn't had this effect on so many of her predecessors, we'd be happily retired in Napa by now. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... Bob, I would have married you too. Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Ok, that's an unambiguous reply. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 27, 2011, at 8:41 PM, seventhray1 wrote: I do have one question, Vaj, if you're listening. You are on record saying that you were not allowed to attend MIU by your parents. But evidently you were in Fairfield to witness certain events in RWC saga. Do I have this right? Thanks for a reply if you are so inclined. Yes, that's exactly correct.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The two guys that tried to shoot Santa (was *something* about their image)
I forgot! Happy belated Boxing Day to you and yours too! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: You read minds, Mr. Price and wife. Mr. Bean and I have a lot in common and I did not notice this before. Thank you for the update. : ) Our Holiday meal, set with long time T'aters, m'kay, and not being on the full organic budget these days, well, I had to compromise, just short of cutting the toothpicks out of the Neem tree. Try to hide non-organic juice in the punchwhew-throw the bottle out quick and smile! Little bit of corn syrup sweetened ginger ale, is what 4 for 5 dollars can buy! Amrit Kalash basted oatmeal cookies, were actually made with Chavanprash. Tumeric works color wonders in the absence of Saffron. ; ) Oh, my program? A minute before bedtime. Just pretend to do the asana stretches in the kitchen while standing, then your guests will know you had been slaving in the kitchen all day and just the sight of the attempt is good enough when your guests are full blown hungry and will eat a cow. No one will report you to the dome badge nazi's. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Obbajeeba, On behalf of the wife and myself, kiss kiss back at you, and a very happy boxing day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U24g88GNgMI From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 9:18:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The two guys that tried to shoot Santa (was *something* about their image) Oh Bob and wife, KISS KISS KISS and HUG! My other favorite thing to do is press the Try Me, buttons on all the electronic noisy, dancing, blinking toys, all stacked upon and around each other. The goal is to see how many toys one can get going consecutively and also to see who gets pissed off first, the employees or the customers, when one pushes, Try Me, on the displayed toys. Thank you so very much. Mr. Bean is awesome. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE33l8JrFlQ A groan, a yell, and a loud crash startled me from my brandy eggnog stupor, the after burn from the nutmeg on my tongue reminded me what night it was; the tiny red, green, and gold lights, strung along the mantel, continued to blink through the dust coming from the fireplace, which had just disgorged what looked like a large red and white fur ball wrapped in a large black leather belt. In the shadows, I sat in the lazy comfort of my easy chair; the warmth from the computer on my lap felt as good as any Christmas quilt. Sure, he looked a lot like Santa (except for the tan), and since I didn't believe in Santa, how dangerous could a man in a Santa suit be, with what looked like a sack of gifts---who had just crashed down my chimney. I decided to sit still, and see what he was up to. He reached into his sack, and pulled out a bunch of stockings, and started to hang them---lovingly, one by one. He then took packages and bundles of papers that looked like contracts, from his bag, and carefully filled each stocking. In what seemed like a flash he finished filling the stockings; he walked over and helped himself to the burfi and lassi the daughter had left for him, and just as fast as he had arrived he was up the chimney and gone. After he left I unfolded myself, and went over and peeked in the stocking. In a sock marked *Barry* I found a small Dictaphone, and the following link: http://www.stenold.org/Cour_secretary.asp In a sock marked *Curtis* I found a telephone numbers with the name Robert Johnson written under it, and the following link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBqfZ5d5zw8feature=related In a sock marked *MZ* I found a leather bound copy of a book called: Tractatus Logico Philosophicus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CICjJpyz55ofature=fvwrel ÃÂ ÃÂ In a sock marked *Judy*, he put a copy of The Conversations, and the following link: http://www.iofilm.co.uk/io/mit/001/murch.php In a sock marked *Alex*, I found a old 45 of this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HJ7w9MTCqs In a sock marked *RD* I found a book called The truth is highly overrated: The Autobiography of Roger Ailes. In a sock marked *Rick* I found a term sheet for Batgap from Harpo Inc. In a sock marked *Bob* I found a memo from CAA stating: LSD, The Inside Story has been green lit by WB. In a sock marked *Steve* I found a box of DVD's called: ÃÂ The collected works of Danny Kaye, and
[FairfieldLife] Deities of Metals
by Henryk Latazos http://henrykfantazos.us/Recent_Paintings/pages/DEITIES_OF_METALS.htm
[FairfieldLife] featuring Paul Delvaux
1897-1994 http://www.ricci-art.com/en/Paul-Delvaux.htm
[FairfieldLife] Creatures of the Celtic Underworld
by Andy Paciorek http://www.batcow.co.uk/strangelands/earth.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji
Yup, the problem here is that these TM Rajas take it the way they do; choosing to punish people with access to the dome over the anti-saint policy. They certainly have the power and authority to do it differently. Yep, It is time for all the TM Rajas to back away from such a fruitless policy. They need to do whatever they need to put an end to it. It is time now to put an end to their suppressing the dome numbers by linking dome badges with the anti-saint policy. These TM Rajas, they should be apologizing to and asking for forgiveness from the community. All those ones on the stage at that meeting. Nadar-raam too. Yeah, it is a bad corrosive policy with only poor success that they have had with the dome numbers. These TM-Rajas, they are completely holding back World Peace. Given the quite strong and substantial peer-review science on all this, it would seem these Raja evidently are holding back World Peace with their anti-saint dome policy done this way they do. These poor dome numbers here have long been the problem of this policy they are keeping. It is a shame and a time is come to change it. En lieu it would not be a bad thing to prosecute them all for crimes against humanity at the World Court of International Justice in the Hague. Their own research on meditating groups coupled with their miserable dome numbers would convict them. It is a sad case. A crime. The domes are full of people right now who have visited saints. Yep, evidently the Rajas have produced two domes full of liars. That is a bad feeling there as in, not a good feeling to have there underneath. These TM Rajas, that large Prime Minister in particular, push people to lie, hide and kiss ass to stay in the domes. I interviewed a person recently who was on the Mother Divine program, she remarked that to survive on Mother Divine they would all lie, hide and kiss-ass about this. In people's life the TM anti-saint policy is quite without conscience for people to participate. The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Yes, it is really quite incredible that these TM Rajas should even be going against Guru Dev's very certain spiritual advice to make use of our time on earth particularly by being with saints. Oh Please! They are not going against Guru Dev, they are trying to follow the guidelines set up by Maharishi himself long ago. Now, leave Guru Dev out of this, we don't know what he would have said. MMY was entirely clear about all of this and never ever budged from his position. Maharishi was clear, at times. This policy, I know, has consolitated during the final period of his life, but it wasn't always the same. And Maharishi could make exceptions to this rule, as I already said, for example in Lelystad. I don't blame you if you don't know that, but he did budge from his position. But in setting up 'rules', he would have to teach the administration, and usually was strong about it, I agree. The Rajas have to decide to make changes that MMY never did He did. The rules before were different (for example before the Muktananda event), and he would make exceptions himself. Now, maybe Maharishi would have changed this rule by now, but don't blame the Rajas or anyone else. This rule came from Maharishi and he was BLUNT about it. I am sure he was blunt to the administration. Yet, as you say yourself, it may be time for a change. The Rajas had no
[FairfieldLife] by Johfra Bosschart
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Creatures of the Celtic Underworld
This is very interesting. In fact, all your posts of late are making a lot of common sense. From: Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Creatures of the Celtic Underworld by Andy Paciorek http://www.batcow.co.uk/strangelands/earth.htm
[FairfieldLife] Hecate
by Johfra http://visionaryrevue.com/webmedia2/jofmedia/jof.hecate.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Well, your vagueness does need a new starting point...I see it's back to square one :) 'Lowest common denominator' is often used as a figure of speech meaning the most basic, least sophisticated level of taste, sensibility, or opinion among a group of people. From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula On Dec 27, 2011, at 6:47 PM, maskedzebra wrote: But I couldn't help acting when I saw the post to which this is a response. Well, look who fell for the bait.
[FairfieldLife] The Harrowing of Hell
Inspired by Ernst Fuchs, by L. Caruana http://www.lcaruana.com/webtext/harr.html
[FairfieldLife] That Tattoo Girl
Okay, so I trundled up to the theater at the top of the hill and attended the 3:30 PM matinee of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. This is David Fincher's retelling of the story and very good. I kept noticing how much Rooney Mara looks like her sister Kate who has most recently been seen in episodes of American Horror Story on FX. So what do the Mara sisters and the Pittsburgh Steelers have in common?
[FairfieldLife] Diana Vandenberg
Right of Light, and Getting your Personal Unicorn http://dianavandenberg.no.sapo.pt/periodo5page.htm
[FairfieldLife] Offerings for Buddha
and Ecstatic Orgasm of Death; by Diana Vandenberg http://dianavandenberg.no.sapo.pt/periodo4page.htm
[FairfieldLife] 'Oprah and John the Baptist'
It seems Oprah Winfrey has been playing the part of 'John the Baptist'... I was thinking... Here she is seen endorsing then Senator Obama, in South Carolina during the 2008 election...this in a way seemed like a baptismal moment in retrospect, giving great gravitas to the candacy of Barack Obama at the time... She, (Oprah) seems to have 'Transcended Race' and become 'Universal' for many... It will be interesting to see what her influence will be this coming year, as she continues her journey of awakening her audience...and her participation in TM.
[FairfieldLife] just sayin'
Im not endorsing, just came across it and know it will be of interest: http://www.bipolarorwakingup.com/#!book
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic supremacism vs. the buddhism of Ambedkar
The moment the world learned that the Norwegian lunatic-killer took inspiration from a vast range of literature critical of Islam, Marxists and their fellow travellers and that literature included writings that emanated from people sympathetic to Hinduism, Meera Nanda would make a connection between Anders Behring Breivik's heinous deed and Hinduism Spiritual Bedfellows The Norway massacre and the Indian connection http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/international/spiritual-bedfellow\ s http://tinyurl.com/3sd9eg2 Rationalists in Kerala are organizing the 4th Anniversary celebrations of the Science Trust in Calicut at the end of January. The date is also reserved for the second annual Basava Premanand memorial lecture. Dr Meera Nanda Beliefs without evidence: Danger of faith-based politics and culture in India Date:30th Jan 2011 Place: Calicut, Kerala, India http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehX70TfW6Ywfeature=player_embedded http://tinyurl.com/7zyadqt --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Likewise, there is evidence that Siddharth Gautama, before his enlightenment, had studied with Sankhya philosophers in his own hometown. The original Sankhya philosophy accepts non-sentient matter (prakriti) as the only and the first cause of all of nature, including sentience or consciousness (purusha) (ibid., 381). Like the Lokayata, Sankhya too holds that the regularities and laws of prakriti can be understood through evidence of experience in here and now. This position is in stark contrast to that of the idealistic monism of the Upanishads, which treats the purusha, or the spirit, as the first cause of all of nature, the latter having a status of mere illusion. True knowledge, the only kind of knowledge worth pursuing, according to these Brahminical doctrines, is that of purusha, which being a part of the Absolute Divine Consciousness, is declared to be beyond the grasp of all mundane experiences of ordinary mortals. Thus, the pragmatism that Ambedkar highlights in the Buddha was always there in the Indian intellectual history. But and this is crucial it was always there as the repressed and the despised other of the true, transcendental knowledge of the Brahmins. Time and time again, the mystic idealism of Brahminism has ridiculed, absorbed, and in other ways demoted the empirical, experimental understanding of nature as avidya or false knowledge before the transcendental knowledge of the spirit: Gods love the mystic, Gods are fond of the obscure and detest direct knowledge, the Satapatha Brahmana taught. The available historical texts tell the grim tale of the victory of Brahminism; all that we know of Lokayata comes from the scorn and ridicule that was heaped upon it by the exponents of Vedanta; Sankhya was forced to compromise with Brahminism by gradually making consciousness (purusha) the cause of nature (prakriti) and by re-introducing thoroughly un-Buddhist metaphysical questions into the later Buddhism. What Ambedkar was trying to do was to revivify these suppressed proto- scientific elements of Indian traditions by presenting them as the core of the Buddha's teachings, and thereby turning them into the sacred duty of his fellow Buddhists. He believed, rightly, that the philosophy of nature and the norms of reasoning of science were fully commensurable with these, rather than with the Vedic monist traditions. Unlike the contemporary critics who see science as oppressive to those at the bottom, Ambedkar wanted to put science in the hands of the oppressed to challenge the traditional sources of oppression. Unlike those who condemn science in the name of the oppressed, he celebrated science as the weapon of the weak. What is more, Ambedkar placed the need for this epistemological revolution in Hinduism at the center of the cultural revolution needed for India to become truly democratic and secular. Creation of new cultural habits is the most daunting task facing the Indian democracy. Study after study shows that the constitutional promise of equal rights as citizens, regardless of caste, creed, and gender remains unfulfilled in practice. -Meera Nanda Prophets Facing Backwards For more on Ambedkar and his battle against Vedic supremacism see, Dr.Babasaheb Ambedkar, the movie:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic supremacism vs. the buddhism of Ambedkar
Dr.Babasaheb Ambedkar regarded as a Bodhisattva by some Indian Buddhists: TheGreatest Shudra of Modern India who made the lower classesof Hindus conscious of their slavery to the higher classes and who preachedthe gospel that for India social democracy was more vital thanindependence from foreign rule giving them back the fighting spirit of the Kshatriyas caste By asking WHO WERE THE SHUDRAS?How they came to be theFourth Varna in the Indo-Aryan Society his convenient answers are summarised below : (1) The Shudras were one of the Aryan communities of the Solar race. (2) There was a time when the Aryan society recognised only three Varnas, namely. Brahmins, Kshatriyas and Vaishyas. (3) The Shudras did not form a separate Varna. They ranked as part of the Kshatriya Varna in the Indo-Aryan society. (4) There was a continuous feud between the Shudra kings and the Brahmins in which the Brahmins were subjected to many tyrannies and indignities. (5) As a result of the hatred towards the Shudras generated by their tyrannies and oppressions, the Brahmins refused to perform the Upanayana of the Shudras. (6) Owing to the denial of Upanayana, the Shudras who were Kshatriyas became socially degraded, fell below the rank of the Vaishyas and thus came to form the fourth Varna. Dr. Ambedkars application for registration with the Prussian Ministry of Science, Fine Arts and Public Education, a CV in German (!) and his registration into the university ledger on 29 April 1921.: In his handwritten CV he stated that he knew German well, because he had taken it as a minor at Columbia University: He continued: I would like to mention that the University of Bonn through the kind help of Prof. Dr. H. Jacobi granted me to submit a ph.D. thesis in case I show adequate performance and I am enrolled for three semesters there. The chair for Indology and Comparative Linguistics at Bonn University was the most distinguished. Founded by August Wilhelm von Schlegel in 1807, Hermann Jacobi was the chair holder from 1889 to 1922. He had a great number of famous disciples, amongst them Helmut von Glasenapp, August Winter and Vasudeva Gokhale. The Russian scholar Cherbatskole, the Italians Ambrosio Balini, Luigi Salvi and George Herbert Grierson were regularly corresponding with him. It was said that whoever Indian scholar came to Europe during the 1920s and 1930s, he would pay their respect to Professor Jacobi. Dr. Ambedkar never took up his studies in Bonn. As he did not sign any lectures or attend any classes, he was taken off the university register on 2.1.1922. We may speculate if this book would have been written differently under the supervision of Prof. Dr. H. Jacobi ... www.sai.uni-heidelberg.de/saireport/2003/pdf/1_ambedkar.pdf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Likewise, there is evidence that Siddharth Gautama, before his enlightenment, had studied with Sankhya philosophers in his own hometown. The original Sankhya philosophy accepts non-sentient matter (prakriti) as the only and the first cause of all of nature, including sentience or consciousness (purusha) (ibid., 381). Like the Lokayata, Sankhya too holds that the regularities and laws of prakriti can be understood through evidence of experience in here and now. This position is in stark contrast to that of the idealistic monism of the Upanishads, which treats the purusha, or the spirit, as the first cause of all of nature, the latter having a status of mere illusion. True knowledge, the only kind of knowledge worth pursuing, according to these Brahminical doctrines, is that of purusha, which being a part of the Absolute Divine Consciousness, is declared to be beyond the grasp of all mundane experiences of ordinary mortals. Thus, the pragmatism that Ambedkar highlights in the Buddha was always there in the Indian intellectual history. But and this is crucial it was always there as the repressed and the despised other of the true, transcendental knowledge of the Brahmins. Time and time again, the mystic idealism of Brahminism has ridiculed, absorbed, and in other ways demoted the empirical, experimental understanding of nature as avidya or false knowledge before the transcendental knowledge of the spirit: Gods love the mystic, Gods are fond of the obscure and detest direct knowledge, the Satapatha Brahmana taught. The available historical texts tell the grim tale of the victory of Brahminism; all that we know of Lokayata comes from the scorn and ridicule that was heaped upon it by the exponents of Vedanta; Sankhya was forced to compromise with Brahminism by gradually making consciousness (purusha) the cause of nature (prakriti) and by re-introducing thoroughly un-Buddhist metaphysical questions into the later Buddhism. What Ambedkar was trying to do was to revivify these suppressed proto- scientific elements of Indian traditions by presenting them as the core of the
