[FairfieldLife] Too sturdy and lack of entertainment... : (
Kaupankäynti https://www.op.fi/op?sym=NOK1V.HSEid=32457srcpl=3 Perustiedot https://www.op.fi/op?sym=NOK1V.HSEid=32451srcpl=3 Graafi https://www.op.fi/op?sym=NOK1V.HSEid=32452srcpl=3 Kaikki kaupat https://www.op.fi/op?sym=NOK1V.HSEid=32453srcpl=3 Kaupat välittäjittäin https://www.op.fi/op?sym=NOK1V.HSEid=32454srcpl=3 Kurssihistoria https://www.op.fi/op?sym=NOK1V.HSEid=32455srcpl=3 Uutiset https://www.op.fi/op?sym=NOK1V.HSEid=32456srcpl=3 Woodcraft Rangers chooses Nokia Lumia 900 for managing youth programs in Los Angeles (Hugin)07.06.2012 klo 15:01 Non-Profit Cites Efficiency, Live Tiles and the Lumia's Sturdy Construction as Key Benefits Sunnyvale, CA - Nokia announced today that Woodcraft Rangers, a Los Angeles- based non-profit providing education and enrichment to more than 16,500 youth from in-need neighborhoods through after school programs, has chosen the Lumia 900 to support its field operations and to increase operational efficiencies while providing a user experience that meets the needs of a wide age group of site coordinators. For over 90 years, Woodcraft Rangers has been providing participatory programs for students in kindergarten through high school operating primarily through, government grants, donations and bequests. Operational efficiency, ease of use and integration with existing IT infrastructure is of paramount importance. We were looking to repurpose BlackBerry servers so right there we are saving money, said David Lara, IT Administrator, Woodcraft Rangers. Additionally, our site coordinators like the big, bright Live Tiles, the Lumia's large screen and we like the seamless integration to our Office Suite, he added. Over 90 employees at the non-profit have received the Lumia 900 in Cyan, adding that black is too hard to find in a purse or between the car seats. We looked at a lot of options, Lara noted. The sturdy construction of the Lumia 900 stood out to us. Other options seemed too delicate and focused on entertainment. Nokia's option gave us the functionality of the most popular smartphone in a format that lets us focus on our work.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: What I'm trying to suggest is that this is *exactly* how non-stop TM evangelists are perceived by people not part of the TM organization. No one else CARES about the nit- picky things they try to generate arguments over. No one CARES whether they feel the meditation technique in ques- tion is the best or not (for most in the larger meditation community, the concept of best has never even come up for them). And above all, no one CARES about the dogmas and advertising slogans that the fanatics use to prop up their own shaky beliefs, and seemingly just can't wait to repeat to others in an attempt to convert them *to* those beliefs. No one except the Turq :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hemingway and Gellhorn movie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 05/28/2012 12:26 PM, Bhairitu wrote: If you've got HBO this film with Clive Owen and Nicole Kidman debuts tonight. I've got it set to record on my DVR and will watch tomorrow night. The movie follows Hemingway's romance Gellhorn starting with the Spanish Civil War. The interesting thing is that the Bay Area stood in for a lot of locations including some scenes shot a couple blocks from a friend's house in Oakland. http://www.hbo.com/#/movies/hemingway-and-gellhorn Great film! I highly recommend it. The whole thing was shot in the Bay Area. The old train round house a couple blocks from a friend was actually used for the hotel interior which I would have thought would been done on a Hollywood sound stage. The Livermore hills stood in for the Spanish countryside and SF's Chinatown for China. The reason is that Philp Kaufman, the director, lives in the Bay Area. http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_20703163/bay-area-director-finds-write-stuff-hbos-hemingway http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0423455/ I was going to skip this because I glanced at the teaser lines of a few reviews and noticed that they weren't good. But then I noticed the cast (Nicole Kidman, Clive Owen, David Strathhairn, Molly Parker, Robert Duvall and others) and decided to give it a shot. It was yet another reminder that movies are no longer where it's at these days, and that the more creative and interesting work is often being done on television. It's fascinating to me to hear that much of the film was shot in the Bay Area, because I've lived in Spain and most of it just looked right, as if it were really shot there. There seems to have been a lot of intercutting of actual film footage and photographs of the time (notably Robert Capa's famous photos), all done seamlessly, so that you could barely tell when things segued from the actual footage to the recreated footage. I was less than impressed by Owen's Hemingway (I've never been a fan of macho), but I thought that Kidman did a fine job portraying the woman who went on to become the most famous war correspondent (especially female war correspondent) of her generation. Scenes of her as an old woman were revealing in that she still looked lovely; she'll probably look that way in real life, because she's 45 now, and she looks great at that age (and we get to see a *lot* of her in the love scenes). It's not great cinema, by any stretch of the imagination, but it is entertaining and well done, and it's fascinating to see that the same fight against Fascist/corporate forces that led to the Spanish Civil War and to WWII has not abated at all in the time since. If nothing else, the fight is stronger now, and more necessary. I can honestly see a new International Brigade forming to fight Romney if he is elected and facilitates the corporate takeover of America. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Gellhorn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWFuQlLqqZk
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: That Impending Tipping Point...
According to the 13 Indigenous Grandmothers, the Golden Age began on June 5, 2012 with the Venus Sun conjunction. From: Robert babajii...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: That Impending Tipping Point... Mayan astrologers remind us that the end of time is coming soon, toward the end of this year... This is to remind us that the karma of the past 5-6,000 years, where time is money and gold is sought with lust and greed, is coming to an end... Time is money is coming to an end... Technology which has replaced many boring jobs, will free the population to pursue the God-given rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness... Slavery will be permanantly abolished... The natural laws will rise again, and no longer will the European War Mongers rule the world.. No longer will the American war mongers rule the world... No longer will money rule the world... Peace and prosperity is coming for all... 2012 is beginning to be felt by all... ok? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: A prestigious group of scientists from around the world is warning that population growth, widespread destruction of natural ecosystems, and climate change may be driving Earth toward an irreversible change in the biosphere, a planet-wide tipping point that would have destructive consequences absent adequate preparation and mitigation. http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2012/06/06/scientists-uncover-evidence-of-impending-tipping-point-for-earth/ The right wing doesn't care. They want the planet to heat up as it reminds them of where they came from. ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome
Nail on head. Also, most people are a fanatic about something whether or not they recognize that. By fanatic I mean, holding to a set of beliefs that they think will keep them safe. Ultimately from dying. Maybe money. Maybe Jesus. Maybe mantra. Maybe hugs. Maybe family. Maybe etc (-: I'd say it's good to pick your fanaticism wisely. Or spread it around among all of the above. Personally I like what Ketut says in Eat Pray Love: sometimes we have to go out of balance for love to find balance in life. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 4:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: What I'm trying to suggest is that this is *exactly* how non-stop TM evangelists are perceived by people not part of the TM organization. No one else CARES about the nit- picky things they try to generate arguments over. No one CARES whether they feel the meditation technique in ques- tion is the best or not (for most in the larger meditation community, the concept of best has never even come up for them). And above all, no one CARES about the dogmas and advertising slogans that the fanatics use to prop up their own shaky beliefs, and seemingly just can't wait to repeat to others in an attempt to convert them *to* those beliefs. No one except the Turq :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: That Impending Tipping Point...
The earth has been through hundreds of warm phases and cold phases in the past 3 billion years. Geo-engineering the planet might be a necessity. The Sun itself is becoming hotter and bigger everyday. Some biologists think the best part of earth natural history is already over. 20 million years in the future, the average temperature will be 150 degrees. Shifting the earth to a larger orbit might give it a new lease of life, long after our civilisation disappears. It's something that is worth considering and studying. The 'sweet-spot' zone for life around the Sun is steadly moving farther away. Another alternative is to heat up and melt the core of Mars, and resurrect it's magnetic field and give it an artificial atmosphere. --- Robert babajii_99@... wrote: Mayan astrologers remind us that the end of time is coming soon, toward the end of this year... This is to remind us that the karma of the past 5-6,000 years, where time is money and gold is sought with lust and greed, is coming to an end... Time is money is coming to an end... Technology which has replaced many boring jobs, will free the population to pursue the God-given rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness... Slavery will be permanantly abolished... The natural laws will rise again, and no longer will the European War Mongers rule the world.. No longer will the American war mongers rule the world... No longer will money rule the world... Peace and prosperity is coming for all... 2012 is beginning to be felt by all... ok? --- Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: A prestigious group of scientists from around the world is warning that population growth, widespread destruction of natural ecosystems, and climate change may be driving Earth toward an irreversible change in the biosphere, a planet-wide tipping point that would have destructive consequences absent adequate preparation and mitigation. http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2012/06/06/scientists-uncover-evidence-of-impending-tipping-point-for-earth/ The right wing doesn't care. They want the planet to heat up as it reminds them of where they came from. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome
Again, nail on head. Uncle Tantra's fanatical belief is that 'there are no facts but only opinions and all opinions are equally valid.' His another fanatical belief is that rougue-charlatan Rama is better than Maharishi. --- Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Nail on head. Also, most people are a fanatic about something whether or not they recognize that. By fanatic I mean, holding to a set of beliefs that they think will keep them safe. Ultimately from dying. Maybe money. Maybe Jesus. Maybe mantra. Maybe hugs. Maybe family. Maybe etc (-: I'd say it's good to pick your fanaticism wisely. Or spread it around among all of the above. Personally I like what Ketut says in Eat Pray Love: sometimes we have to go out of balance for love to find balance in life. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 4:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome No one except the Turq :-) --- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: What I'm trying to suggest is that this is *exactly* how non-stop TM evangelists are perceived by people not part of the TM organization. No one else CARES about the nit- picky things they try to generate arguments over. No one CARES whether they feel the meditation technique in ques- tion is the best or not (for most in the larger meditation community, the concept of best has never even come up for them). And above all, no one CARES about the dogmas and advertising slogans that the fanatics use to prop up their own shaky beliefs, and seemingly just can't wait to repeat to others in an attempt to convert them *to* those beliefs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Torrents, Macintoshes and bandwidth
Thanks! Next time I'll ask my daughter if the torrent software is merely open. It may be that she is not downloading anything, but the open software is active regardless. Or she could be fibbing. That's an option, too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Well - there's a few possibilities. If your daughter says she's not using torrents, someone nearby may be using your wireless connection to download torrents. You need to up your wireless security. Some software will set itself up so it runs all the time in the background. Torrent software is designed to share files downloaded prior so if its running in the background, this might be the case. Not so likely though - usually if you close the program, the activity stops. Depends on the software. There is also the possibility of a trojan infection on a PC but thats less likely. The log files should indicate which IP is doing the downloading. Routers tend to give the same IPs to the same computers over a short period of time. Hope that helps... From: jpgillam jpgillam@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 4:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Torrents, Macintoshes and bandwidth  Maybe some of the geeks here can provide information that Google hasn't delivered. My modem's web activity log is listing all manner of torrents and tracker sites. My daughter says she is not downloading anything. An ISP rep told me torrents install software that operates in the background all the time, hogging bandwidth. Could it be that my daughter's MacBook is running torrent software all the time? If so, how do I remove it or turn it off? Thanks kindly for any advice or information you can provide.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vastu tiny house
Ancient pre-industrial societies were essentialy agrarian with livestock as occupation. Climate played an important role in agrarian cultures. The sun travelling down to the south resulted in winter and that was bad for agriculture. After touching the lowest point in the south, the Sun returns in it's northward journey resulting in spring and summer. Consequently, these agricultural societies regarded the north direction and the northward path of the sun as 'auspicious'. This is mentioned in Bhagavad Gita, Chap 8, 24. Fire, flame, day-time, the bright fortnight of the moon, the six months of the Northern passage of the sun, taking this path, the knowers of Brahman go to Brahman. 25. Smoke, night-time, the dark fortnight of the moon, the six months of the Southern passage of the sun taking this path the Yogi, attaining the lunar light and returns Please note that this Vastu was formulated only for the people living in the northern hemisphere. India itself is in the northern hemisphere. For the people living in the Southern hemisphere, the auspicious path of the sun has to be in reverse. In Australia the summer is in January. Thus they have to invert the Vastu concept. --- sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Eh all cows in the world tend to sleep with their heads aligned north. Perhaps ancient Indians noticed this and created an entire mythos around the phenomenon? --- salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: So the sacred cows of India will go against the ideal vastu recomendation and face north? Duh, it's migration. Cows, whales, birds all have magnetic bones in their heads because the are, or are descended from, migratory animals and thus have a real need to see the earth's magentic field. Apes never have been and so have no magnetic sense unless it's way redundant. So I'm going with my sunworship theory for the development of vastu and not extrapolations from cow herd behaviour which is a recent observation anyway as I'm sure it would have entered northern folklore if any europeans had noticed it over our millenia of dairy farming. They must care more about money. You are most likely correct though, shame there isn't evidence that apes do this it might have convinced me there is something to it.meaning we have magnetic awareness too, not that our brains work better when facing in a particular direction. But then the face east thing must be from sun worshipping which is going to be the default belief of people recently converted to agriculture and vastu dwellings help work out equinoxes with the way the fence posts line up with the front door - Most impressive bit of it for me, that and the fact they chose the place of the kitchen to be the coolest part of the house. Redundant in the age of fridges but wouldn't take long to work it out come a decent energy crisis and people in vastu might be the last to get food poisoning. Natural selection in action. More extrapolations ahead! Or perhaps there's some real explanation for both vastu and astrological traditions? http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/unexplained-all-cows-everywhere-simultaneously-face-north-or-south-while-eating/ Humans enjoy extrapolating. In palm-reading, there's a crease in the hand associated with how smart you are. Turns out that mongoloids don't have this crease. Another extrapolation? L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Xeno, FYI, the grahas are very much employed in vastu. Here are the designations: Jupiter--Northeast Sun--East Venus--Southeast South--South Rahu--Southwest Saturn--West Mercury--Northwest Moon--North There are more details involved. But that would take a full course in vastu. I was just quoting from a Wikipedia page, which mentioned these things were not mentioned in certain writings on the subject. I know very little about the details of this system or whether there are significant variations and multiple systems of sthapatyaveda. I have always regarded astrology as a pseudoscience, that is, simply untrue, with random, uncorrelated connexions with the world, and making no sense whatsoever. And sthapatyaveda does not make much sense either.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Torrents, Macintoshes and bandwidth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@... wrote: Thanks! Next time I'll ask my daughter if the torrent software is merely open. It may be that she is not downloading anything, but the open software is active regardless. Or she could be fibbing. That's an option, too. If your router shows signs of the computer pinging or accessing torrent *tracker* sites, that sounds to me more like a case of some spyware or other malware having been installed on the computer, possibly inadvertently. Torrents themselves download peer- to-peer, not by connecting to any torrent tracker site. Another possibility is that if your daughter installed (again, possibly without knowing that she was doing so) some kind of torrent *client* on the machine, they often install themselves with a default setting that says, Launch this software in the background whenever I start the machine. That's a shitty setting, and terribly impolite on the part of the software manufacturer, but it happens. I'd look at the installed programs on the machine and see if there are any you don't recognize, and if there are, check them out on Google to see what they are. Again, a good virus and anti-malware program is always a good idea, even on a Mac. Many of the best are free, and would be able to determine whether something got installed on the machine without your knowledge. A word of warning, however -- many of the free antivirus or free anti-spyware programs one finds out on the Net are *themselves* spyware or malware. It's good to check reviews of any such product before installing it, to see whether it gets any bad reviews or whether users identify it as a stealth virus or malware program on its own. If you find that there is a legitimate torrent client on the machine, and you want to keep it, check its settings and make sure that it is set to exit *completely* and shut down when you close the program, and that it is *not* set to autostart when the machine starts. Good luck. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Well - there's a few possibilities. If your daughter says she's not using torrents, someone nearby may be using your wireless connection to download torrents. You need to up your wireless security. Some software will set itself up so it runs all the time in the background. Torrent software is designed to share files downloaded prior so if its running in the background, this might be the case. Not so likely though - usually if you close the program, the activity stops. Depends on the software. There is also the possibility of a trojan infection on a PC but thats less likely. The log files should indicate which IP is doing the downloading. Routers tend to give the same IPs to the same computers over a short period of time. Hope that helps... From: jpgillam jpgillam@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 4:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Torrents, Macintoshes and bandwidth  Maybe some of the geeks here can provide information that Google hasn't delivered. My modem's web activity log is listing all manner of torrents and tracker sites. My daughter says she is not downloading anything. An ISP rep told me torrents install software that operates in the background all the time, hogging bandwidth. Could it be that my daughter's MacBook is running torrent software all the time? If so, how do I remove it or turn it off? Thanks kindly for any advice or information you can provide.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news]
CRAP! They're on to us! OK, who is the Judas that leaked these *facts*? From: Robert babajii...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 8:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news] It has been uncovered by the Fairfield Press, that the presumptive Republican Nominee has a secret facist and Satanistic agenda... Reporting from Navoo, Ill...the location of the founding of the Mormon Church, where upside/down 5 pointed stars align with their devious plans, which must be stopped... Romney has dedicated himself to the propagation of a 'Superior Race' of Mormons... Which is hoarding large sums of gold, cash and antique cars... Some of the cars being hoarded are from the old nazi regime, kept in storage since the end of WWII in Argentina... Also, it has been revealed that Donald Trump also has make a blood pact with this representative of the 'Dark Side'... This so-called dark side representative, seek to make a mockery of God's Creation...through huge corporate takeovers of company's throughout the world... Making a pact with secret tri-lateral commission banking system, Romney plans to cut off most if not all social programs, so that chaos will ensue... Also, with the Neo-cons chomping at the bit, to get rid of that peacemaker, Barack Obama, Romney has made a secret sexual pact with them attending secret orgies with the likes of Henry Kissenger and the ghost of Richard Nixon... Stay tuned as we will report as more details become available... Reporting for MSNBC FF Iowa, Baba...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip My bet is that many people who have been conned into spending thousands and thousands of dollars (not to mention countless man-hours bouncing on their butts) for what even they admit are a few English-language phrases they could have gotten verbatim from a $3.95 paperback of the Yoga Sutras might just be a tad... uh...invested in their investment. They might come up with all *sorts* of justifications to keep from ever addressing the alternate possibility that they were simply conned. OK, since Barry's doubling down on these deliberately misleading statements, let's take them apart. First, thousands and thousands of dollars is not even technically true of what I paid: the least Barry's phrase could mean is $4,000 (two thousand plus two thousand). Still thousands. My TM-Sidhis course was $3,000. People whose mission it is to mislead know how to choose their words to give an impression contrary to fact. The truth is, depending on which time you started, and which kind of course you took (available at the time), you paid more. The first 6 month enlightenment courses were around 10 000$. Precondition was to be a TM teacher, which again cost you at least the same amount. Then, if you were unlucky, you didn't even learn the sidhis, which were only developed at the time, so to get the sidhis, you had to visit yet another course, which could cost you just as much. The first citizen sidha courses required sidhi prep courses, between 4 and 8 weeks, just rounding. (no 'instructions' there). Then another 4 weeks for the real sidhi course. With time, when the movement wanted to spread the sidhis even further, all these requirements were dropped, and center sidhi courses came into being, only requiring 2 weeks in-residence for 'flying'. This was a heavily toned down course, some sidhis were dropped, the required time for practise was dropped as well. That must have been the time when you joined. Countless man-hours is just vague enough to be beyond explicit challenge, but the *impression* it conveys is misleading. It's nevertheless the truth The part that's so misleading it amounts to a lie is about the fee for the TM-Sidhis course having paid for a few English-language phrases they could have gotten verbatim from a $3.95 paperback. The phrases have been in fact collected from such books. They haven't been collected from one single book, but from a variety of books, all out in print. The truth is that exactly such books, have been read out by CP's on the first six month courses, which kick-started the sidhis. Barry has proved himself so untrustworthy I wouldn't accept that the phrases used in the TM-Sidhis are to be found verbatim in a $3.95 paperback without confirmation from a reliable source. There are many published translations of Patanjali; whether any of them translate the siddhis sutras verbatim as they're given in the TM-Sidhis course is possible but doubtful. Again: It's a collection from different sources, but then in no way essentially different. Compassion is still compassion, friendliness is still friendliness, sun, moon and inner light are still the same in all translations. No TM copyright attached to it. The truth is Barry is completely right. In any case, even if there is a translation that does, it's irrelevant, not at all the shocker Barry pretends it is. The real shocker is the lie that all the fee for the TM-Sidhis course pays for is those phrases. What my $3,000 fee paid for was 5 or so hours of instruction in how to use those phrases, in a specially set up room at my local TM center, on each of two weekend days for six consecutive weekends (somewhere around 60 hours total); Big laugh Those 60 hours are what other people might call brainwashing. I'll be more liberal and just say, that they are unconnected to the practice of the technique. IIRC all instructions, including the sidhis, where on an audio tape, which we had to hear with earphones as they where so secret. The instruction consisted only of the names of the sutras (in english or your own language) and a very simple instruction of how to repeat them, in which intervals. That tape was hardly an hour. Oh yes, there was the usual TM puja preceding it. The flying sutra instruction was slightly more sophisticated, but also less than an hour. All other lectures, usually video taped, was philosophizing around the sidhis, and Maharishis concepts. None of it an instruction for practice. PLUS two weeks of intensive instruction in residence at MIU/MUM to learn the Yogic Flying technique. That's a total of at least 100 solid hours of instruction AND two weeks of room and board They usually purchased out of season hotels, bargained the prices, so that we, at a point 200 cp's had to pretend to leave the course location by buses, to press the
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: CRAP! They're on to us! OK, who is the Judas that leaked these *facts*? On the other hand, if Mitt is elected, think of all we'll save by cutting back on the number of necessary Secret Service agents: See what I mean about religious and spiritual groups not realizing how weird they must seem to non-members? Do you know of any other group that has special UNDERWEAR that they should wear to the temple? :-) From: Robert babajii_99@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 8:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news] It has been uncovered by the Fairfield Press, that the presumptive Republican Nominee has a secret facist and Satanistic agenda... Reporting from Navoo, Ill...the location of the founding of the Mormon Church, where upside/down 5 pointed stars align with their devious plans, which must be stopped... Romney has dedicated himself to the propagation of a 'Superior Race' of Mormons... Which is hoarding large sums of gold, cash and antique cars... Some of the cars being hoarded are from the old nazi regime, kept in storage since the end of WWII in Argentina... Also, it has been revealed that Donald Trump also has make a blood pact with this representative of the 'Dark Side'... This so-called dark side representative, seek to make a mockery of God's Creation...through huge corporate takeovers of company's throughout the world... Making a pact with secret tri-lateral commission banking system, Romney plans to cut off most if not all social programs, so that chaos will ensue... Also, with the Neo-cons chomping at the bit, to get rid of that peacemaker, Barack Obama, Romney has made a secret sexual pact with them attending secret orgies with the likes of Henry Kissenger and the ghost of Richard Nixon... Stay tuned as we will report as more details become available... Reporting for MSNBC FF Iowa, Baba...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news]
Oh yes! They're called Purusha. They, or at least your more radicalized brahmacharyas, wear very funny looking underwear. I think they are called loinclothes. The loincloth is supposed to keep your *energy* up and from sneaking out of your anus! The mormon underwear looks very much like the underwear commonly used in the 19th century by everyone. You can find them on Civil War Suttler sites, where people go to buy clothes form that time period, From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 7:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: CRAP! They're on to us! OK, who is the Judas that leaked these *facts*? On the other hand, if Mitt is elected, think of all we'll save by cutting back on the number of necessary Secret Service agents: See what I mean about religious and spiritual groups not realizing how weird they must seem to non-members? Do you know of any other group that has special UNDERWEAR that they should wear to the temple? :-) From: Robert babajii_99@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 8:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news] It has been uncovered by the Fairfield Press, that the presumptive Republican Nominee has a secret facist and Satanistic agenda... Reporting from Navoo, Ill...the location of the founding of the Mormon Church, where upside/down 5 pointed stars align with their devious plans, which must be stopped... Romney has dedicated himself to the propagation of a 'Superior Race' of Mormons... Which is hoarding large sums of gold, cash and antique cars... Some of the cars being hoarded are from the old nazi regime, kept in storage since the end of WWII in Argentina... Also, it has been revealed that Donald Trump also has make a blood pact with this representative of the 'Dark Side'... This so-called dark side representative, seek to make a mockery of God's Creation...through huge corporate takeovers of company's throughout the world... Making a pact with secret tri-lateral commission banking system, Romney plans to cut off most if not all social programs, so that chaos will ensue... Also, with the Neo-cons chomping at the bit, to get rid of that peacemaker, Barack Obama, Romney has made a secret sexual pact with them attending secret orgies with the likes of Henry Kissenger and the ghost of Richard Nixon... Stay tuned as we will report as more details become available... Reporting for MSNBC FF Iowa, Baba...
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Here's a question for you -- if I (trained as a TM teacher by Maharishi) were to teach someone to meditate and teach them according to the exact instructions he told me to impart to students, but changed only one thing -- the mantra -- would it be the same technique, or a different one? What if I taught them to use the mantra Ram (the one Maharishi *started* teaching TM with, for everyone) instead of one from the latest official list? Would it be different than TM, or the same? It would be different than TM as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for decades, as Barry knows but figures Emily doesn't. This is a very deceptive answer. The truth is, as is obvious to any real TM teacher, that each teacher carries the mantra list that he got on his course, for the rest of his life. If anybody got to be a teacher before a certain time, like the early courses in Rishikesh, he had indeed only two mantra's to give, and if he got recertified (I didn't), he still would only give out these two mantra's today. For decades at least, if not until now, people get different mantras, according to the mantra list at the time of their teachers TTC, as the OFFICIAL TM. And one further truth is, that all people get the SAME mantra with their first advanced technique. (Their may have been some exceptions to that rule, that the original mantra was combined with the adjunct 'namah', but by and large it was substituted completely, which also means that after a few advanced techniques, all share the same mantra.) Now that, and a few other observations should make it clear, that the policy of handing out many different mantras, was simply to obscure and deceive the public (It came about in Norway after newspapers started to discuss that all TM meditators had the same mantra). It was never a real requirement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Nail on head. Also, most people are a fanatic about something whether or not they recognize that. One of my favorite New Yorker cartoons of all time (I tried to find a copy of it online, but failed) shows yer classic NY cocktail party. Two men are standing off to the side looking at a third man across the room, who is standing alone, with a slightly crazed look in his eyes. One of the two men is saying to the other, Avoid that guy. He's just read a book that changed his life. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Barry's lying. I responded to that question. The response included pointing out that the question itself was designed to mislead. The TMO charges high fees in wealthy countries and low or no fees in poor ones. So, is India a poor country or a wealthy one? Do you feel that the following rates have been subsidised by the west?These fees may not sound to be much if converting Rupees to Dollars, but they still are a lot for the average Indian worker.http://www.peace-movement.net/participation.jsp http://www.peace-movement.net/participation.jsp All in all, it is easy to point to some obscure country, and say, well we spend all the money for poor countries, but where is the documentation? Also, $1,500 is well within the means of many people in this country; they'll easily spend that much and more on a week's vacation. And if someone really wants to learn and simply can't afford it, the TMO will usually work something out with them. Typical answer: you have to really want it, and then you can also afford it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome
Dear Buck: snip Now try to imagine what lurkers who have never been part of the TM community must think of Buck and others going on and on about not being allowed to go to the domes because they committed the heinous sin of seeing another spiritual teacher. This is Barry's way of sayingI missed you last week and I look forward to hearing from you soon. XOXOXO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Still tripping on this phenomenon, I'll pass along an insight I gained into it in Santa Fe. There I got to know a nice family of people who had once been pretty strong followers of Bhagwan Rajneesh. One day they shared with me the tipping point that led them to abandon his community in Oregon and move back into the real world. They related what for that community -- and even for them -- had once been a Big Fuckin' Deal. A teenage girl who lived in the community had declared her intention to wear a blue dress to her high school prom. What, you might ask, could *possibly* be controversial about this? Well, think about the image that comes to mind when you think about the followers of Rajneesh. They all dress the same, in shades of red, ochre, orange, or yellow. Back during their heyday, if you met someone dressed like that on the street, you pretty much knew at a glance that they were Rajneeshees. This was their uniform. And this girl wanted to wear a blue dress, *and in public*, out among the Great Unwashed of the non- Rajneesh community. It was perceived as heresy, and she was perceived as a heretic. Threats of shunning and other forms of retribution for her sin were invoked, and it became, as mentioned before, a Big Fuckin' Deal. For the family I knew in Santa Fe, this became a kind of epiphany, the event that forced them to realize that they'd become part of a cult, and inspired them to sit down and figure out whether they still wanted to be part of it. But to observers who are NOT part of that community, the only thing this Big Fuckin' Deal inspires is a sense of WTF??? We just can't *conceive* of anyone getting uptight over the color of the clothing one wants to wear. Now try to imagine what lurkers who have never been part of the TM community must think of Buck and others going on and on about not being allowed to go to the domes because they committed the heinous sin of seeing another spiritual teacher. The most common response must be a similar WTF??? For some, they might be able to work up a little interest in a group so fundamentalist as to ostracize or excommunicate their own members for the crime of wanting to learn from a spiritual teacher other than Maharishi. But for most, the WTF probably begins and ends at the concept of going to the domes itself. Who, they might ask themselves, would *want* to drive or trudge across town twice a day and walk, lemming-like, into a couple of gaudy tit-shaped buildings, all for the purpose of meditating and then bouncing up and down on their butts with hundreds of other people? It just does not compute. It's not that the shunning and the persecution of those who sin by seeing other teachers does not compute, it's the WHOLE THING, the unquestioned need to participate in a group ritual that they simply cannot comprehend. And yet to many on this forum, dome attendance or even the so-called right of TMO leaders to exclude from that privilege those who want to extend the frontiers of their spiritual knowledge beyond what Maharishi had to offer is a *given*. They accept it without question. These raps this morning are about that acceptance. I'm of the opinion that many in the TMO movement (and others, but this forum is primarily about TM) really have lost the ability to step back and imagine how they might be perceived by people who were never a part of the community and the indoctrination that they were. They take issues that would never in a million years even be *considered* an issue by 99.9% of the people on the planet and obsess on them as if they were Big Fuckin' Deals. And then they get uptight and scream about being persecuted when someone points out that -- statistically -- *they* are the ones who might just be considered a little weird in this scenario. I guess the only thing I'm suggesting is that fanatics of any flavor might be better served by a dose of humility and true self-analysis. It's not that critics and skeptics are laughing at them or going WTF??? because they want to persecute them, it's because from their 99.9% POV the people who believe these things and do these things really ARE weird, and potentially laughable. Don't get me wrong -- I think it is every spiritual seeker's right TO be weird, and to believe and act just as weird as they want (as long as it doesn't hurt either themselves or others). It's just that I think that in the interest of *being* spiritual seekers they should step
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome
lol, and thank you for my first really good laugh of the day. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 10:51 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Nail on head. Also, most people are a fanatic about something whether or not they recognize that. One of my favorite New Yorker cartoons of all time (I tried to find a copy of it online, but failed) shows yer classic NY cocktail party. Two men are standing off to the side looking at a third man across the room, who is standing alone, with a slightly crazed look in his eyes. One of the two men is saying to the other, Avoid that guy. He's just read a book that changed his life. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome
loving those x's and 0's (-: From: emilymae.reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 11:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome Dear Buck: snip Now try to imagine what lurkers who have never been part of the TM community must think of Buck and others going on and on about not being allowed to go to the domes because they committed the heinous sin of seeing another spiritual teacher. This is Barry's way of sayingI missed you last week and I look forward to hearing from you soon. XOXOXO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Still tripping on this phenomenon, I'll pass along an insight I gained into it in Santa Fe. There I got to know a nice family of people who had once been pretty strong followers of Bhagwan Rajneesh. One day they shared with me the tipping point that led them to abandon his community in Oregon and move back into the real world. They related what for that community -- and even for them -- had once been a Big Fuckin' Deal. A teenage girl who lived in the community had declared her intention to wear a blue dress to her high school prom. What, you might ask, could *possibly* be controversial about this? Well, think about the image that comes to mind when you think about the followers of Rajneesh. They all dress the same, in shades of red, ochre, orange, or yellow. Back during their heyday, if you met someone dressed like that on the street, you pretty much knew at a glance that they were Rajneeshees. This was their uniform. And this girl wanted to wear a blue dress, *and in public*, out among the Great Unwashed of the non- Rajneesh community. It was perceived as heresy, and she was perceived as a heretic. Threats of shunning and other forms of retribution for her sin were invoked, and it became, as mentioned before, a Big Fuckin' Deal. For the family I knew in Santa Fe, this became a kind of epiphany, the event that forced them to realize that they'd become part of a cult, and inspired them to sit down and figure out whether they still wanted to be part of it. But to observers who are NOT part of that community, the only thing this Big Fuckin' Deal inspires is a sense of WTF??? We just can't *conceive* of anyone getting uptight over the color of the clothing one wants to wear. Now try to imagine what lurkers who have never been part of the TM community must think of Buck and others going on and on about not being allowed to go to the domes because they committed the heinous sin of seeing another spiritual teacher. The most common response must be a similar WTF??? For some, they might be able to work up a little interest in a group so fundamentalist as to ostracize or excommunicate their own members for the crime of wanting to learn from a spiritual teacher other than Maharishi. But for most, the WTF probably begins and ends at the concept of going to the domes itself. Who, they might ask themselves, would *want* to drive or trudge across town twice a day and walk, lemming-like, into a couple of gaudy tit-shaped buildings, all for the purpose of meditating and then bouncing up and down on their butts with hundreds of other people? It just does not compute. It's not that the shunning and the persecution of those who sin by seeing other teachers does not compute, it's the WHOLE THING, the unquestioned need to participate in a group ritual that they simply cannot comprehend. And yet to many on this forum, dome attendance or even the so-called right of TMO leaders to exclude from that privilege those who want to extend the frontiers of their spiritual knowledge beyond what Maharishi had to offer is a *given*. They accept it without question. These raps this morning are about that acceptance. I'm of the opinion that many in the TMO movement (and others, but this forum is primarily about TM) really have lost the ability to step back and imagine how they might be perceived by people who were never a part of the community and the indoctrination that they were. They take issues that would never in a million years even be *considered* an issue by 99.9% of the people on the planet and obsess on them as if they were Big Fuckin' Deals. And then they get uptight and scream about being persecuted when someone points out that -- statistically -- *they* are the ones who might just be considered a little weird in this scenario. I guess the only thing I'm suggesting is that fanatics of any flavor might be better served by a dose of humility and true self-analysis. It's not that critics and skeptics are laughing at them or going WTF??? because they want to persecute them, it's because from their 99.9% POV the people who believe these things and do these things really ARE weird, and potentially laughable. Don't get me
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip My bet is that many people who have been conned into spending thousands and thousands of dollars (not to mention countless man-hours bouncing on their butts) for what even they admit are a few English-language phrases they could have gotten verbatim from a $3.95 paperback of the Yoga Sutras might just be a tad... uh...invested in their investment. They might come up with all *sorts* of justifications to keep from ever addressing the alternate possibility that they were simply conned. OK, since Barry's doubling down on these deliberately misleading statements, let's take them apart. First, thousands and thousands of dollars is not even technically true of what I paid: the least Barry's phrase could mean is $4,000 (two thousand plus two thousand). Still thousands. But not thousands and thousands if it's only $3,000. My TM-Sidhis course was $3,000. People whose mission it is to mislead know how to choose their words to give an impression contrary to fact. The truth is, depending on which time you started, and which kind of course you took (available at the time), you paid more. Right, but I wasn't disputing that, you see. The first 6 month enlightenment courses were around 10 000$. Precondition was to be a TM teacher, which again cost you at least the same amount. Then, if you were unlucky, you didn't even learn the sidhis, which were only developed at the time, so to get the sidhis, you had to visit yet another course, which could cost you just as much. The first citizen sidha courses required sidhi prep courses, between 4 and 8 weeks, just rounding. (no 'instructions' there). Then another 4 weeks for the real sidhi course. With time, when the movement wanted to spread the sidhis even further, all these requirements were dropped, and center sidhi courses came into being, only requiring 2 weeks in-residence for 'flying'. This was a heavily toned down course, some sidhis were dropped, the required time for practise was dropped as well. That must have been the time when you joined. (You mean the time when you took the TM-Sidhis course.) Yes, I took it in 1986, CIC #16, I believe. Countless man-hours is just vague enough to be beyond explicit challenge, but the *impression* it conveys is misleading. It's nevertheless the truth Well, it's actually pretty meaningless. It's countless because you'd have had to keep track with a stopwatch of exactly how much time each Yogic Flying session you spent hopping. And obviously the totals would vary from person to person, depending on how long you'd been practicing the technique, how active a hopper you were, how long the flying segment of your program was, how much time you'd spent rounding on courses, and so forth. IOW, it's countless man-hours (note that man- is an unnecessary addition meant to give the phrase more significance than it warrants) not because the number of hours was so great that they was past the ability to count (which was what Barry intended to convey), but simply because it's technically not feasible to count them. Thousands and thousands and countless man-hours are very minor points, granted, but they demonstrate the care with which Barry constructs his misleading scenarios, with attention to even the smallest details. The part that's so misleading it amounts to a lie is about the fee for the TM-Sidhis course having paid for a few English-language phrases they could have gotten verbatim from a $3.95 paperback. The phrases have been in fact collected from such books. They haven't been collected from one single book, but from a variety of books, all out in print. The truth is that exactly such books, have been read out by CP's on the first six month courses, which kick-started the sidhis. That could well be, but it's irrelevant in this context, as I went on to note. Barry has proved himself so untrustworthy I wouldn't accept that the phrases used in the TM-Sidhis are to be found verbatim in a $3.95 paperback without confirmation from a reliable source. There are many published translations of Patanjali; whether any of them translate the siddhis sutras verbatim as they're given in the TM-Sidhis course is possible but doubtful. Again: It's a collection from different sources, but then in no way essentially different. Right. But, again, irrelevant. Compassion is still compassion, friendliness is still friendliness, sun, moon and inner light are still the same in all translations. No TM copyright attached to it. The truth is Barry is completely right. The truth is that this is irrelevant, as I said: In any case, even if there is a translation that does, it's irrelevant, not at all the shocker Barry
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Here's a question for you -- if I (trained as a TM teacher by Maharishi) were to teach someone to meditate and teach them according to the exact instructions he told me to impart to students, but changed only one thing -- the mantra -- would it be the same technique, or a different one? What if I taught them to use the mantra Ram (the one Maharishi *started* teaching TM with, for everyone) instead of one from the latest official list? Would it be different than TM, or the same? It would be different than TM as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for decades, as Barry knows but figures Emily doesn't. This is a very deceptive answer. Well, no, it isn't. It may be *incorrect* in the case of TM teachers who got only the two early Rishikesh mantras and are still giving them out today, but how many such teachers are there? IOW, it's a minor inaccuracy. The truth is, as is obvious to any real TM teacher, that each teacher carries the mantra list that he got on his course, for the rest of his life. If anybody got to be a teacher before a certain time, like the early courses in Rishikesh, he had indeed only two mantra's to give, and if he got recertified (I didn't), he still would only give out these two mantra's today. For decades at least, if not until now, people get different mantras, according to the mantra list at the time of their teachers TTC, as the OFFICIAL TM. And one further truth is, that all people get the SAME mantra with their first advanced technique. (Their may have been some exceptions to that rule, that the original mantra was combined with the adjunct 'namah', but by and large it was substituted completely, which also means that after a few advanced techniques, all share the same mantra.) Now that, and a few other observations should make it clear, that the policy of handing out many different mantras, was simply to obscure and deceive the public (It came about in Norway after newspapers started to discuss that all TM meditators had the same mantra). It was never a real requirement.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Torrents, Macintoshes and bandwidth
The legal problem with torrent clients is that to get fast torrents the user needs to open the ports so you pass on what packets you have. That's why they arrest people if they just downloaded one or a few songs or movies. They are also complicit in passing it on. Yes with many clients you have to consciously shut them down or inactivate the torrent when finished. I've helped seed some legal torrents in the past, one was the Michael Moore movie that he and the Weinsteins did as a torrent before the 2006 election. It was targeted for young voters and they wanted it out fast. These days they would have posted it as a YouTube video. When I was finished downloading the film I let the client run for a few hours more to help distribute it. On 06/08/2012 06:37 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillamjpgillam@... wrote: Thanks! Next time I'll ask my daughter if the torrent software is merely open. It may be that she is not downloading anything, but the open software is active regardless. Or she could be fibbing. That's an option, too. If your router shows signs of the computer pinging or accessing torrent *tracker* sites, that sounds to me more like a case of some spyware or other malware having been installed on the computer, possibly inadvertently. Torrents themselves download peer- to-peer, not by connecting to any torrent tracker site. Another possibility is that if your daughter installed (again, possibly without knowing that she was doing so) some kind of torrent *client* on the machine, they often install themselves with a default setting that says, Launch this software in the background whenever I start the machine. That's a shitty setting, and terribly impolite on the part of the software manufacturer, but it happens. I'd look at the installed programs on the machine and see if there are any you don't recognize, and if there are, check them out on Google to see what they are. Again, a good virus and anti-malware program is always a good idea, even on a Mac. Many of the best are free, and would be able to determine whether something got installed on the machine without your knowledge. A word of warning, however -- many of the free antivirus or free anti-spyware programs one finds out on the Net are *themselves* spyware or malware. It's good to check reviews of any such product before installing it, to see whether it gets any bad reviews or whether users identify it as a stealth virus or malware program on its own. If you find that there is a legitimate torrent client on the machine, and you want to keep it, check its settings and make sure that it is set to exit *completely* and shut down when you close the program, and that it is *not* set to autostart when the machine starts. Good luck. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Longsharelong60@ wrote: Well - there's a few possibilities. If your daughter says she's not using torrents, someone nearby may be using your wireless connection to download torrents. You need to up your wireless security. Some software will set itself up so it runs all the time in the background. Torrent software is designed to share files downloaded prior so if its running in the background, this might be the case. Not so likely though - usually if you close the program, the activity stops. Depends on the software. There is also the possibility of a trojan infection on a PC but thats less likely. The log files should indicate which IP is doing the downloading. Routers tend to give the same IPs to the same computers over a short period of time. Hope that helps... From: jpgillamjpgillam@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 4:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Torrents, Macintoshes and bandwidth  Maybe some of the geeks here can provide information that Google hasn't delivered. My modem's web activity log is listing all manner of torrents and tracker sites. My daughter says she is not downloading anything. An ISP rep told me torrents install software that operates in the background all the time, hogging bandwidth. Could it be that my daughter's MacBook is running torrent software all the time? If so, how do I remove it or turn it off? Thanks kindly for any advice or information you can provide.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news]
No, you're supposed to meditate naked just like the aghoris so that clothes don't impede your shakti. Probably if they did that in the dome they'd all be levitating by now. Just imagine that (or don't). :-D On 06/08/2012 07:50 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: Oh yes! They're called Purusha. They, or at least your more radicalized brahmacharyas, wear very funny looking underwear. I think they are called loinclothes. The loincloth is supposed to keep your *energy* up and from sneaking out of your anus! The mormon underwear looks very much like the underwear commonly used in the 19th century by everyone. You can find them on Civil War Suttler sites, where people go to buy clothes form that time period, From: turquoisebno_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 7:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixonmdixon.6569@... wrote: CRAP! They're on to us! OK, who is the Judas that leaked these *facts*? On the other hand, if Mitt is elected, think of all we'll save by cutting back on the number of necessary Secret Service agents: See what I mean about religious and spiritual groups not realizing how weird they must seem to non-members? Do you know of any other group that has special UNDERWEAR that they should wear to the temple? :-) From: Robert babajii_99@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 8:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news] It has been uncovered by the Fairfield Press, that the presumptive Republican Nominee has a secret facist and Satanistic agenda... Reporting from Navoo, Ill...the location of the founding of the Mormon Church, where upside/down 5 pointed stars align with their devious plans, which must be stopped... Romney has dedicated himself to the propagation of a 'Superior Race' of Mormons... Which is hoarding large sums of gold, cash and antique cars... Some of the cars being hoarded are from the old nazi regime, kept in storage since the end of WWII in Argentina... Also, it has been revealed that Donald Trump also has make a blood pact with this representative of the 'Dark Side'... This so-called dark side representative, seek to make a mockery of God's Creation...through huge corporate takeovers of company's throughout the world... Making a pact with secret tri-lateral commission banking system, Romney plans to cut off most if not all social programs, so that chaos will ensue... Also, with the Neo-cons chomping at the bit, to get rid of that peacemaker, Barack Obama, Romney has made a secret sexual pact with them attending secret orgies with the likes of Henry Kissenger and the ghost of Richard Nixon... Stay tuned as we will report as more details become available... Reporting for MSNBC FF Iowa, Baba...
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news]
On 06/07/2012 08:56 PM, Robert wrote: It has been uncovered by the Fairfield Press, that the presumptive Republican Nominee has a secret facist and Satanistic agenda... Reporting from Navoo, Ill...the location of the founding of the Mormon Church, where upside/down 5 pointed stars align with their devious plans, which must be stopped... Romney has dedicated himself to the propagation of a 'Superior Race' of Mormons... Which is hoarding large sums of gold, cash and antique cars... Some of the cars being hoarded are from the old nazi regime, kept in storage since the end of WWII in Argentina... Also, it has been revealed that Donald Trump also has make a blood pact with this representative of the 'Dark Side'... This so-called dark side representative, seek to make a mockery of God's Creation...through huge corporate takeovers of company's throughout the world... Making a pact with secret tri-lateral commission banking system, Romney plans to cut off most if not all social programs, so that chaos will ensue... Also, with the Neo-cons chomping at the bit, to get rid of that peacemaker, Barack Obama, Romney has made a secret sexual pact with them attending secret orgies with the likes of Henry Kissenger and the ghost of Richard Nixon... Stay tuned as we will report as more details become available... Reporting for MSNBC FF Iowa, Baba... Worse yet Carl Rove and the Koch plan to raise a billion dollars to put Romney in. Democrat's strategy should be to shame them for trying to buy the Presidency. If Romney gets in this country is so done.
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Barry's lying. I responded to that question. The response included pointing out that the question itself was designed to mislead. The TMO charges high fees in wealthy countries and low or no fees in poor ones. So, is India a poor country or a wealthy one? Do you feel that the following rates have been subsidised by the west?These fees may not sound to be much if converting Rupees to Dollars, but they still are a lot for the average Indian worker http://www.peace-movement.net/participation.jsp http://www.peace-movement.net/participation.jsp These amounts aren't fees to learn TM. They're donation amounts to be a participant in this peace movement, which appears to be a new program of the TMO in India. All in all, it is easy to point to some obscure country, and say, well we spend all the money for poor countries, but where is the documentation? I didn't say spend ALL the money for poor countries. That certainly isn't the case. See my last paragraph below. As to documentation, I don't have any. However, on various TM forums and elsewhere I've heard people who have taught in India and other poor countries say that they charged a very low or no fee. Perhaps they're all lying, and a fee equivalent to that in the U.S. is charged everywhere. I've never heard anyone speak up to that effect, though. Also, $1,500 is well within the means of many people in this country; they'll easily spend that much and more on a week's vacation. And if someone really wants to learn and simply can't afford it, the TMO will usually work something out with them. Typical answer: you have to really want it, and then you can also afford it. More or less true of just about anything, no? You deleted the comment of Barry's I was responding to, so let's put it back in for context: Like the question all of the TM supporters are avoiding like the plague -- WHY would an org that claims it has the solution to all the prob- lems of life want to charge so much for it that very few will ever start? I submit that my response to this, quoted above, was accurate: TM does not cost so much that very few will ever start. In the U.S., the fee is steep but not prohibitive for many; in poorer countries, unless definitive testimony to the contrary is found, the fee is significantly less than it is in this country. Most of us on this forum, including myself, however, would much prefer to see lower fees in this and other wealthy countries, along with a lot less of the costly ceremonial stuff and nitwit promotion and absurd projects. Far too much useless and even counterproductive crap is subsidized by the high fees.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hemingway and Gellhorn movie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: The older Gellhorn reminded me of Blythe Danner in looks and voice range making me wonder if it was and she uncredited. The older Gellhorn was Nicole Kidman, in makeup.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news]
Organic clothes don't impede shakti (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news] No, you're supposed to meditate naked just like the aghoris so that clothes don't impede your shakti. Probably if they did that in the dome they'd all be levitating by now. Just imagine that (or don't). :-D On 06/08/2012 07:50 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: Oh yes! They're called Purusha. They, or at least your more radicalized brahmacharyas, wear very funny looking underwear. I think they are called loinclothes. The loincloth is supposed to keep your *energy* up and from sneaking out of your anus! The mormon underwear looks very much like the underwear commonly used in the 19th century by everyone. You can find them on Civil War Suttler sites, where people go to buy clothes form that time period, From: turquoisebno_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 7:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixonmdixon.6569@... wrote: CRAP! They're on to us! OK, who is the Judas that leaked these *facts*? On the other hand, if Mitt is elected, think of all we'll save by cutting back on the number of necessary Secret Service agents: See what I mean about religious and spiritual groups not realizing how weird they must seem to non-members? Do you know of any other group that has special UNDERWEAR that they should wear to the temple? :-) From: Robert babajii_99@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 8:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news] It has been uncovered by the Fairfield Press, that the presumptive Republican Nominee has a secret facist and Satanistic agenda... Reporting from Navoo, Ill...the location of the founding of the Mormon Church, where upside/down 5 pointed stars align with their devious plans, which must be stopped... Romney has dedicated himself to the propagation of a 'Superior Race' of Mormons... Which is hoarding large sums of gold, cash and antique cars... Some of the cars being hoarded are from the old nazi regime, kept in storage since the end of WWII in Argentina... Also, it has been revealed that Donald Trump also has make a blood pact with this representative of the 'Dark Side'... This so-called dark side representative, seek to make a mockery of God's Creation...through huge corporate takeovers of company's throughout the world... Making a pact with secret tri-lateral commission banking system, Romney plans to cut off most if not all social programs, so that chaos will ensue... Also, with the Neo-cons chomping at the bit, to get rid of that peacemaker, Barack Obama, Romney has made a secret sexual pact with them attending secret orgies with the likes of Henry Kissenger and the ghost of Richard Nixon... Stay tuned as we will report as more details become available... Reporting for MSNBC FF Iowa, Baba...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Reading various spiritual forums on the Net, and the Religion/Spirituality pages of common Net forums, it has struck me lately Barry, it's OK, you don't have to pretend this is some new insight for you. That you've been saying the same thing for years doesn't make it any more or less valid. that there is a syndrome common to many groups/religions, and that one of its symptoms is that the people who suffer from it the most are unaware of what they're doing and even more unaware of how people who *don't* do this stuff perceive them. A syndrome from which Barry suffers is the notion that he speaks for everyone who doesn't do this stuff (whatever the stuff may be that he's dumping on in any given post). snip And I personally would extend the description of pathetic to historical figures such as Shankara, who did *exactly the same thing* in his day and age. He was a Hindu Holy Roller, traveling from town to town trying rather desperately to get people to debate him so that he could prove the supremacy of the things he believed in. Back in December, when Barry was promoting this same idea about Shankara (not for the first time), he was schooled very effectively by zarzari (now with us again as iranitea, I believe): In the more historical context, Shankara, Nagarjuna and others, it was a specific culture of intellectual combats. It would be a means to test how your theories are logically sound, a means to actually train your intellect, to be able to present what you think in an intellectual meaningful way. And to elaborate pros and cons of a given issue. It's like little dogs bite, just to train their teeth. It's keeping your synaptic gaps active. I personally see it as the later, a way to train yourself, and explore different avenues of a topic. In light of this perspective, Barry's next paragraph is a huge giggle as well: Face it, the only people who would be even *interested* in a loser like this would be folks who either already agree with the compulsive evangelist/arguer, or those who are *equally* fanatical about some other belief system, and want to do the same thing (argue) with the New Dogma Gunslinger In Town. snip This is just my impression of a fairly universal phenomenon, *not* one limited to TM or FFL, thrown out for your perusal. Whether you agree or disagree with it doesn't really matter to me, because I'm not going to argue with you about it. If you feel affronted -- or worse, angry -- about this refusal on my part *to* argue with you about it, my advice to you is to step back for a moment and consider whether in the passages above I've effectively been describing YOU. I've considered it, and no, he hasn't been. On the other hand, I'm neither angered nor affronted but amused by how definitively Barry has once again revealed his shallowness. Far be it from Barry to have any interest in test[ing] how [his] theories are logically sound and actually train [his] intellect so he can present what [he] thinks in an intellectual meaningful way. No way would Barry feel the need to keep his synaptic gaps active or to explore different avenues of a topic. For Barry, that would be A FUCKIN' WASTE OF LIFE!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome
Just checking...I *did* mention the words pathetic and embarrassing in my first shots at this subject, did I not? One wonders how some can miss that. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Just checking...I *did* mention the words pathetic and embarrassing in my first shots at this subject, did I not? One wonders how some can miss that. :-) Translation: Barry just HATES it when he gets backtalk. Makes him feel pathetic and embarrassed that he wasn't able to make his targets feel pathetic and embarrassed. guffaw
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news]
I doubt that the aghoris would agree with that. ;-) On 06/08/2012 10:24 AM, Share Long wrote: Organic clothes don't impede shakti (-: From: Bhairitunoozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news] No, you're supposed to meditate naked just like the aghoris so that clothes don't impede your shakti. Probably if they did that in the dome they'd all be levitating by now. Just imagine that (or don't). :-D On 06/08/2012 07:50 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: Oh yes! They're called Purusha. They, or at least your more radicalized brahmacharyas, wear very funny looking underwear. I think they are called loinclothes. The loincloth is supposed to keep your *energy* up and from sneaking out of your anus! The mormon underwear looks very much like the underwear commonly used in the 19th century by everyone. You can find them on Civil War Suttler sites, where people go to buy clothes form that time period, From: turquoisebno_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 7:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixonmdixon.6569@... wrote: CRAP! They're on to us! OK, who is the Judas that leaked these *facts*? On the other hand, if Mitt is elected, think of all we'll save by cutting back on the number of necessary Secret Service agents: See what I mean about religious and spiritual groups not realizing how weird they must seem to non-members? Do you know of any other group that has special UNDERWEAR that they should wear to the temple? :-) From: Robert babajii_99@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 8:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news] It has been uncovered by the Fairfield Press, that the presumptive Republican Nominee has a secret facist and Satanistic agenda... Reporting from Navoo, Ill...the location of the founding of the Mormon Church, where upside/down 5 pointed stars align with their devious plans, which must be stopped... Romney has dedicated himself to the propagation of a 'Superior Race' of Mormons... Which is hoarding large sums of gold, cash and antique cars... Some of the cars being hoarded are from the old nazi regime, kept in storage since the end of WWII in Argentina... Also, it has been revealed that Donald Trump also has make a blood pact with this representative of the 'Dark Side'... This so-called dark side representative, seek to make a mockery of God's Creation...through huge corporate takeovers of company's throughout the world... Making a pact with secret tri-lateral commission banking system, Romney plans to cut off most if not all social programs, so that chaos will ensue... Also, with the Neo-cons chomping at the bit, to get rid of that peacemaker, Barack Obama, Romney has made a secret sexual pact with them attending secret orgies with the likes of Henry Kissenger and the ghost of Richard Nixon... Stay tuned as we will report as more details become available... Reporting for MSNBC FF Iowa, Baba...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hemingway and Gellhorn movie
On 06/08/2012 10:02 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: The older Gellhorn reminded me of Blythe Danner in looks and voice range making me wonder if it was and she uncredited. The older Gellhorn was Nicole Kidman, in makeup. Prosthetics maybe but my friend thought the same thing you did except from the side view. The voice can be lowered via software as I don't think that voice is in her vocal range. So how was Prometheus? I noticed it open last week there. I'll probably go Monday or Tuesday and not bother with the 3D auditorium.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Look who's #6
Congrats! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: http://www.kurzweilai.net/americas-brainiest-cities
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
Why is it 'incorrect' if you say something wrong, deceptive but a blatant lie if Barry does so? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Here's a question for you -- if I (trained as a TM teacher by Maharishi) were to teach someone to meditate and teach them according to the exact instructions he told me to impart to students, but changed only one thing -- the mantra -- would it be the same technique, or a different one? What if I taught them to use the mantra Ram (the one Maharishi *started* teaching TM with, for everyone) instead of one from the latest official list? Would it be different than TM, or the same? It would be different than TM as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for decades, as Barry knows but figures Emily doesn't. This is a very deceptive answer. Well, no, it isn't. It may be *incorrect* in the case of TM teachers who got only the two early Rishikesh mantras and are still giving them out today, but how many such teachers are there? IOW, it's a minor inaccuracy. First of all it may not be 'incorrect', it certainly IS incorrect, wrong, false and misleading. And it is not minor, because you can not determine how active early TM teachers still are. This is regarding any teacher until 1969. Some of the most successful TM teachers were/are from this time. These were the mantras - if everything followed the usual course - the Beatles got. Many of these early TM teachers initiated many thousands into TM. Many were early scientists who made research on TM, I know one of them, who is now an independent teacher. Many had charisma later TM teachers who were on the mass courses of La Antilla or Mallorca didn't have. And even if they are just a 'minor inaccuracy' they prove the principle, what, so it seems you easily lose out of sight: One (or two) mantras are really enough. And that's all that Barry was trying to say. This is further substantiated by my further comment about the advanced techniques. Why have only one mantra in the advanced technique and 16 mantras for TM? The truth is the context, in which TM is presented: In many of the mantra oriented traditions, actually only one mantra is given. Or rather, stating it more clearly: all receive the same mantra. Many of these traditions, like Surat Sabhd Yoga, or Rhadasoami give this mantra in group initiations, the mantra may vary from group to group, but initiation by a master is a necessity. Here in these groups, the context is a different one from TM. The 'story' is that the master imbibes the mantra with power, and the mantra connects therefore the master and the disciple. Even though many TM teachers would subscribe to such a view, as they believe, that the power of the mantra comes through the holy tradition and more specifically GD, this is not the official TM story. It's too mystic, not scientific enough. Another story had to be created, and that is that the mantras are secret, and were just revived by GD, and had to be individually selected. This doesn't explain the need for the puja in TM, but it very well explains the need of personal instruction. Thus an old story (context) is substituted by a newer invention of the story, but unfortunately this story works only as long, as people don't know the secrets, that is the varying mantras over time, and the method of selection. In a way, the variety of mantras in TM is just a concession to this story, and the remedy is the first advanced technique, which is again just one mantra for all. My feeling is that this 'story' doesn't hold true for the internet age, where you can't just keep these things, (mantras, method of selection) secret anymore, that is to say, the story doesn't work anymore. I find it also interesting, that while TM stresses so much on individual instruction, that the siddhis clearly mark the way to group instruction. People seem to think that their mantra couldn't work, unless they receive it in privacy, not the same is true for the siddhis, which most people received via audiotape. The truth is, as is obvious to any real TM teacher, that each teacher carries the mantra list that he got on his course, for the rest of his life. If anybody got to be a teacher before a certain time, like the early courses in Rishikesh, he had indeed only two mantra's to give, and if he got recertified (I didn't), he still would only give out these two mantra's today. For decades at least, if not until now, people get different mantras, according to the mantra list at the time of their teachers TTC, as the OFFICIAL TM. And one further truth is, that all people get the SAME mantra with their first advanced technique. (Their may have been some exceptions to that rule, that the original mantra was combined with the adjunct 'namah', but by and large
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Barry's lying. I responded to that question. The response included pointing out that the question itself was designed to mislead. The TMO charges high fees in wealthy countries and low or no fees in poor ones. So, is India a poor country or a wealthy one? Do you feel that the following rates have been subsidised by the west?These fees may not sound to be much if converting Rupees to Dollars, but they still are a lot for the average Indian worker http://www.peace-movement.net/participation.jsp http://www.peace-movement.net/participation.jsp These amounts aren't fees to learn TM. They're donation amounts to be a participant in this peace movement, which appears to be a new program of the TMO in India. It's not new at all, it was the first step by Girish to separate the Indian movement from the west, and of course the membership fees are a way of charging for TM All in all, it is easy to point to some obscure country, and say, well we spend all the money for poor countries, but where is the documentation? I didn't say spend ALL the money for poor countries. That certainly isn't the case. See my last paragraph below. Don't get hooked up on small formulations. As to documentation, I don't have any. However, on various TM forums and elsewhere I've heard people who have taught in India and other poor countries say that they charged a very low or no fee. Perhaps they're all lying, and a fee equivalent to that in the U.S. is charged everywhere. I've never heard anyone speak up to that effect, though. This was usually during special campaigns, during certain time periods. You won't find american teachers now teaching TM in India. It was also true in the Philippines, but all during a limited period of time. Also, $1,500 is well within the means of many people in this country; they'll easily spend that much and more on a week's vacation. And if someone really wants to learn and simply can't afford it, the TMO will usually work something out with them. Typical answer: you have to really want it, and then you can also afford it. More or less true of just about anything, no? You deleted the comment of Barry's I was responding to, so let's put it back in for context: As it was irrelevant, your favorite word, right? Like the question all of the TM supporters are avoiding like the plague -- WHY would an org that claims it has the solution to all the prob- lems of life want to charge so much for it that very few will ever start? I submit that my response to this, quoted above, was accurate: TM does not cost so much that very few will ever start. In the U.S., the fee is steep but not prohibitive for many; in poorer countries, unless definitive testimony to the contrary is found, the fee is significantly less than it is in this country. In other European countries the fee is even higher (if the movement still exists). You cannot see the fee outside of the contemporary context. If you want to sell one liter of water in a desert, you may get what you are asking for. But not if somebody stands next to you giving water freely. The question is, why should anybody in his senses, make an extraordinary effort learning something, he can get for cheaper somewhere else? Especially when it is not clear if your 'product' has really such an advantage. Through the internet, people compare more, there are more offers on the market. I just have recently initiated 2 persons into TM for free, who wanted to learn it, but wouldn't have wanted to turn out the amount of money it takes for two people to learn. They are not poor, they have well to do jobs. It's a question of the relation to other costs. You cannot make a statement, like, if they really want it they can do it. (For me it was an experiment, like a flashback in time, btw. they did well.) And I would be banned in TM for doing this. Most of us on this forum, including myself, however, would much prefer to see lower fees in this and other wealthy countries, along with a lot less of the costly ceremonial stuff and nitwit promotion and absurd projects. Far too much useless and even counterproductive crap is subsidized by the high fees.
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: Why is it 'incorrect' if you say something wrong, deceptive but a blatant lie if Barry does so? I don't say things with the intention to deceive, first of all, although I may say something wrong inadvertently. Second, not everything Barry says that is wrong is a blatant lie. Sometimes he gets things wrong inadvertently as well. If the above confuses you, please consult Mr. Dictionary for the meaning of to lie and to deceive. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Here's a question for you -- if I (trained as a TM teacher by Maharishi) were to teach someone to meditate and teach them according to the exact instructions he told me to impart to students, but changed only one thing -- the mantra -- would it be the same technique, or a different one? What if I taught them to use the mantra Ram (the one Maharishi *started* teaching TM with, for everyone) instead of one from the latest official list? Would it be different than TM, or the same? It would be different than TM as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for decades, as Barry knows but figures Emily doesn't. This is a very deceptive answer. Well, no, it isn't. It may be *incorrect* in the case of TM teachers who got only the two early Rishikesh mantras and are still giving them out today, but how many such teachers are there? IOW, it's a minor inaccuracy. First of all it may not be 'incorrect', it certainly IS incorrect, wrong, false and misleading. Again your lack of fluency in English is causing problems, with regard to the It may be... construction. Let me say it slightly differently: Even if I got that one point wrong, it was minor, because there aren't many from those days still teaching. Both versions of that statement acknowledge the inaccuracy. Well, no, it isn't referred to your deceptive characterization. And it is not minor, because you can not determine how active early TM teachers still are. This is regarding any teacher until 1969. Some of the most successful TM teachers were/are from this time. These were the mantras - if everything followed the usual course - the Beatles got. How many of them are still teaching? Because Barry's question had to do with the present. Many of these early TM teachers initiated many thousands into TM. Many were early scientists who made research on TM, I know one of them, who is now an independent teacher. Many had charisma later TM teachers who were on the mass courses of La Antilla or Mallorca didn't have. Fine, but irrelevant. Everything you go on to say is also irrelevant to the question Barry asked. And even if they are just a 'minor inaccuracy' they prove the principle, what, so it seems you easily lose out of sight: One (or two) mantras are really enough. And that's all that Barry was trying to say. Well, no, it isn't what he was trying to say. (I'm sure he'll say it was *now*, but it wasn't to start with.) This is further substantiated by my further comment about the advanced techniques. Why have only one mantra in the advanced technique and 16 mantras for TM? I retained my original bija mantra when I got my advanced technique (I have only one). The truth is the context, in which TM is presented: In many of the mantra oriented traditions, actually only one mantra is given. Or rather, stating it more clearly: all receive the same mantra. Many of these traditions, like Surat Sabhd Yoga, or Rhadasoami give this mantra in group initiations, the mantra may vary from group to group, but initiation by a master is a necessity. Here in these groups, the context is a different one from TM. The 'story' is that the master imbibes the mantra with power, and the mantra connects therefore the master and the disciple. Fine, but irrelevant in the context of what I said to Barry. Different discussion. Even though many TM teachers would subscribe to such a view, as they believe, that the power of the mantra comes through the holy tradition and more specifically GD, this is not the official TM story. It's too mystic, not scientific enough. Another story had to be created, and that is that the mantras are secret, and were just revived by GD, and had to be individually selected. I never heard the story that they were revived by GD, by the way. (I learned TM in 1975.) I can't now recall whether I knew at that time that they were chosen by age, but if not I found out not long after. This doesn't explain the need for the puja in TM, but it very well explains the need of personal instruction. Thus an old story (context) is substituted by a newer invention of the story, but unfortunately this story works only as long, as people don't know the secrets, that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news]
The smiley face at the end meant I was joking. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news] I doubt that the aghoris would agree with that. ;-) On 06/08/2012 10:24 AM, Share Long wrote: Organic clothes don't impede shakti (-: From: Bhairitunoozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news] No, you're supposed to meditate naked just like the aghoris so that clothes don't impede your shakti. Probably if they did that in the dome they'd all be levitating by now. Just imagine that (or don't). :-D On 06/08/2012 07:50 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: Oh yes! They're called Purusha. They, or at least your more radicalized brahmacharyas, wear very funny looking underwear. I think they are called loinclothes. The loincloth is supposed to keep your *energy* up and from sneaking out of your anus! The mormon underwear looks very much like the underwear commonly used in the 19th century by everyone. You can find them on Civil War Suttler sites, where people go to buy clothes form that time period, From: turquoisebno_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 7:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixonmdixon.6569@... wrote: CRAP! They're on to us! OK, who is the Judas that leaked these *facts*? On the other hand, if Mitt is elected, think of all we'll save by cutting back on the number of necessary Secret Service agents: See what I mean about religious and spiritual groups not realizing how weird they must seem to non-members? Do you know of any other group that has special UNDERWEAR that they should wear to the temple? :-) From: Robert babajii_99@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 8:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Romney Secret Facist Satanistic Agenda!!' [breaking news] It has been uncovered by the Fairfield Press, that the presumptive Republican Nominee has a secret facist and Satanistic agenda... Reporting from Navoo, Ill...the location of the founding of the Mormon Church, where upside/down 5 pointed stars align with their devious plans, which must be stopped... Romney has dedicated himself to the propagation of a 'Superior Race' of Mormons... Which is hoarding large sums of gold, cash and antique cars... Some of the cars being hoarded are from the old nazi regime, kept in storage since the end of WWII in Argentina... Also, it has been revealed that Donald Trump also has make a blood pact with this representative of the 'Dark Side'... This so-called dark side representative, seek to make a mockery of God's Creation...through huge corporate takeovers of company's throughout the world... Making a pact with secret tri-lateral commission banking system, Romney plans to cut off most if not all social programs, so that chaos will ensue... Also, with the Neo-cons chomping at the bit, to get rid of that peacemaker, Barack Obama, Romney has made a secret sexual pact with them attending secret orgies with the likes of Henry Kissenger and the ghost of Richard Nixon... Stay tuned as we will report as more details become available... Reporting for MSNBC FF Iowa, Baba...
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Barry's lying. I responded to that question. The response included pointing out that the question itself was designed to mislead. The TMO charges high fees in wealthy countries and low or no fees in poor ones. So, is India a poor country or a wealthy one? Do you feel that the following rates have been subsidised by the west?These fees may not sound to be much if converting Rupees to Dollars, but they still are a lot for the average Indian worker http://www.peace-movement.net/participation.jsp http://www.peace-movement.net/participation.jsp These amounts aren't fees to learn TM. They're donation amounts to be a participant in this peace movement, which appears to be a new program of the TMO in India. It's not new at all, it was the first step by Girish to separate the Indian movement from the west, Which happened when, exactly? and of course the membership fees are a way of charging for TM I believe you're mistaken on that point. I don't think those fees cover instruction. All in all, it is easy to point to some obscure country, and say, well we spend all the money for poor countries, but where is the documentation? I didn't say spend ALL the money for poor countries. That certainly isn't the case. See my last paragraph below. Don't get hooked up on small formulations. Then don't exaggerate and put words in my mouth. As to documentation, I don't have any. However, on various TM forums and elsewhere I've heard people who have taught in India and other poor countries say that they charged a very low or no fee. Perhaps they're all lying, and a fee equivalent to that in the U.S. is charged everywhere. I've never heard anyone speak up to that effect, though. This was usually during special campaigns, during certain time periods. You won't find american teachers now teaching TM in India. It was also true in the Philippines, but all during a limited period of time. So you claim everyone in every country is normally charged an equivalent fee to that charged in the U.S.? Also, $1,500 is well within the means of many people in this country; they'll easily spend that much and more on a week's vacation. And if someone really wants to learn and simply can't afford it, the TMO will usually work something out with them. Typical answer: you have to really want it, and then you can also afford it. More or less true of just about anything, no? You deleted the comment of Barry's I was responding to, so let's put it back in for context: As it was irrelevant, your favorite word, right? It was very relevant to my response to Barry. Like the question all of the TM supporters are avoiding like the plague -- WHY would an org that claims it has the solution to all the prob- lems of life want to charge so much for it that very few will ever start? I submit that my response to this, quoted above, was accurate: TM does not cost so much that very few will ever start. In the U.S., the fee is steep but not prohibitive for many; in poorer countries, unless definitive testimony to the contrary is found, the fee is significantly less than it is in this country. In other European countries the fee is even higher (if the movement still exists). You cannot see the fee outside of the contemporary context. If you want to sell one liter of water in a desert, you may get what you are asking for. But not if somebody stands next to you giving water freely. The question is, why should anybody in his senses, make an extraordinary effort learning something, he can get for cheaper somewhere else? Especially when it is not clear if your 'product' has really such an advantage. Through the internet, people compare more, there are more offers on the market. I just have recently initiated 2 persons into TM for free, who wanted to learn it, but wouldn't have wanted to turn out the amount of money it takes for two people to learn. They are not poor, they have well to do jobs. It's a question of the relation to other costs. You cannot make a statement, like, if they really want it they can do it. Why not? (For me it was an experiment, like a flashback in time, btw. they did well.) And I would be banned in TM for doing this. I don't see the relevance of any of this to what I said in response to Barry. Most of us on this forum, including myself, however, would much prefer to see lower fees in this and other wealthy countries, along with a lot less of the costly ceremonial stuff and nitwit promotion and absurd projects. Far too much useless and even counterproductive crap is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome
I sense he doesn't hate backtalk at all. In fact, just the opposite (-: From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 1:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Just checking...I *did* mention the words pathetic and embarrassing in my first shots at this subject, did I not? One wonders how some can miss that. :-) Translation: Barry just HATES it when he gets backtalk. Makes him feel pathetic and embarrassed that he wasn't able to make his targets feel pathetic and embarrassed. guffaw
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome
What? Judy's response was easily read with the lens of dry humor and quite humorous. I thought she was positively magnanimous, in fact. If you want to characterize those on forums you participate in as pathetic and embarrassing, sounds like you are ashamed to be a part. Why are you? From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 11:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome Just checking...I *did* mention the words pathetic and embarrassing in my first shots at this subject, did I not? One wonders how some can miss that. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: So, is India a poor country or a wealthy one? Do you feel that the following rates have been subsidised by the west?These fees may not sound to be much if converting Rupees to Dollars, but they still are a lot for the average Indian worker http://www.peace-movement.net/participation.jsp http://www.peace-movement.net/participation.jsp These amounts aren't fees to learn TM. They're donation amounts to be a participant in this peace movement, which appears to be a new program of the TMO in India. It's not new at all, it was the first step by Girish to separate the Indian movement from the west, Which happened when, exactly? It's written on the webpage. and of course the membership fees are a way of charging for TM I believe you're mistaken on that point. I don't think those fees cover instruction. Believe what you want, they certainly are. All in all, it is easy to point to some obscure country, and say, well we spend all the money for poor countries, but where is the documentation? I didn't say spend ALL the money for poor countries. That certainly isn't the case. See my last paragraph below. Don't get hooked up on small formulations. Then don't exaggerate and put words in my mouth. I didn't put anything in your mouth. I said, it is easy to point to some obscure country, etc. Where is any attribution to you? It's a general attribution, don't play foul game. As to documentation, I don't have any. However, on various TM forums and elsewhere I've heard people who have taught in India and other poor countries say that they charged a very low or no fee. Perhaps they're all lying, and a fee equivalent to that in the U.S. is charged everywhere. I've never heard anyone speak up to that effect, though. This was usually during special campaigns, during certain time periods. You won't find american teachers now teaching TM in India. It was also true in the Philippines, but all during a limited period of time. So you claim everyone in every country is normally charged an equivalent fee to that charged in the U.S.? Now you are putting things into my mouth. I am not saying that everywhere the fee is equivalent to that charged in the USA. In some countries it is even considerably more. According to income this is in fact impossible to compare in a country like India, where for the middle class, it might be a comparable fee, but for the big mass of poor people, it is even immensely more. In any case, it doesn't give a compensatory legitimacy to high fees in the west. Also, $1,500 is well within the means of many people in this country; they'll easily spend that much and more on a week's vacation. And if someone really wants to learn and simply can't afford it, the TMO will usually work something out with them. Typical answer: you have to really want it, and then you can also afford it. More or less true of just about anything, no? You deleted the comment of Barry's I was responding to, so let's put it back in for context: As it was irrelevant, your favorite word, right? It was very relevant to my response to Barry. You keep pushing around this word relevance, but who judges it's relevance, except yourself? It all depends on what you deem important or not. You continue playing this petty game, and overlook the import of the whole. You only concentrate on certain unimportant parts of Barry's posts, some rhetorical hook ups, and cover up the real points of his posts, which are obviously true. In the same way you go into complete denial, repeating that something is irrelevant to your question or what Barry said, in order to escape the real questions. It's lame tactics. Like the question all of the TM supporters are avoiding like the plague -- WHY would an org that claims it has the solution to all the prob- lems of life want to charge so much for it that very few will ever start? I submit that my response to this, quoted above, was accurate: TM does not cost so much that very few will ever start. In the U.S., the fee is steep but not prohibitive for many; in poorer countries, unless definitive testimony to the contrary is found, the fee is significantly less than it is in this country. In other European countries the fee is even higher (if the movement still exists). You cannot see the fee outside of the contemporary context. If you want to sell one liter of water in a desert, you may get what you are asking for. But not if somebody stands next to you giving water freely. The question is, why should anybody in his senses, make an extraordinary effort learning something, he can get for cheaper somewhere else? Especially when it is not clear if your 'product' has really such an advantage. Through the internet,
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: Why is it 'incorrect' if you say something wrong, deceptive but a blatant lie if Barry does so? I don't say things with the intention to deceive, first of all, although I may say something wrong inadvertently. Can't argue with that, because, unlike others I am not into mind reading. But you should also be clear that it is obvious that you try to diminish points that are unfavorable to your arguments, as in this case. The point is that there are teachers, who still teach in this way, they are quite a few, so there is still a good chance to get one of those two mantras, and let me calculate, if the amount of teachers from that time would be 50%, it would be about 8 times higher than getting any other mantra, (16 divided by 2), but let's assume it's just slightly over 10%, then chances are that you get the mantra Ram are about as much as that of any other of the later mantras. ;-) Second, not everything Barry says that is wrong is a blatant lie. Sometimes he gets things wrong inadvertently as well. Here you get so boring that I find it hard to take you seriously. If the above confuses you, please consult Mr. Dictionary for the meaning of to lie and to deceive. And maybe you conduct Mr. Dictionary about the difference between the active verb 'to deceive' and the adjective 'deceptive'. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Here's a question for you -- if I (trained as a TM teacher by Maharishi) were to teach someone to meditate and teach them according to the exact instructions he told me to impart to students, but changed only one thing -- the mantra -- would it be the same technique, or a different one? What if I taught them to use the mantra Ram (the one Maharishi *started* teaching TM with, for everyone) instead of one from the latest official list? Would it be different than TM, or the same? It would be different than TM as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for decades, as Barry knows but figures Emily doesn't. This is a very deceptive answer. Well, no, it isn't. It may be *incorrect* in the case of TM teachers who got only the two early Rishikesh mantras and are still giving them out today, but how many such teachers are there? IOW, it's a minor inaccuracy. First of all it may not be 'incorrect', it certainly IS incorrect, wrong, false and misleading. Again your lack of fluency in English is causing problems, with regard to the It may be... construction. Why again? Stop patronizing me and making unfounded assumptions. Let me say it slightly differently: Even if I got that one point wrong, it was minor, because there aren't many from those days still teaching. Both versions of that statement acknowledge the inaccuracy. Well, no, it isn't referred to your deceptive characterization. And it is not minor, because you can not determine how active early TM teachers still are. This is regarding any teacher until 1969. Some of the most successful TM teachers were/are from this time. These were the mantras - if everything followed the usual course - the Beatles got. How many of them are still teaching? Because Barry's question had to do with the present. How many are teaching at all? How much is TM still being taught? And then: many of them are teachers of the first hour, they are Rajas today. Many of these early TM teachers initiated many thousands into TM. Many were early scientists who made research on TM, I know one of them, who is now an independent teacher. Many had charisma later TM teachers who were on the mass courses of La Antilla or Mallorca didn't have. Fine, but irrelevant. Everything you go on to say is also irrelevant to the question Barry asked. Not irrelevant to their influence today. And even if they are just a 'minor inaccuracy' they prove the principle, what, so it seems you easily lose out of sight: One (or two) mantras are really enough. And that's all that Barry was trying to say. Well, no, it isn't what he was trying to say. (I'm sure he'll say it was *now*, but it wasn't to start with.) Yes he clearly said it. And you know it. This is further substantiated by my further comment about the advanced techniques. Why have only one mantra in the advanced technique and 16 mantras for TM? I retained my original bija mantra when I got my advanced technique (I have only one). I said there are exceptions. But with a second advanced technique, you are likely to lose that one, with the third you are almost sure. So why you never got any more? The truth is the context, in which TM is presented: In many of
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the Universe Got Populated
You probably meant the nephilim (the fallen) rather than the elohim (deity/deities). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim Like the Hari Krishna accounts from the Sri Bhagavad and Vishnu Puranas, quoted by Jason in his reply, these are mythologized stories designed to authenticate cultural groups i.e. their sources and successions. Chit-svabhava (awareness) doesn't come from anywhere or go anywhere. It is ever-present seeing (cit.matra.taa), that is not part of the triad of cognizer-cognition-cognized. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: According to the vedic story, Brahma is credited for the creation of human beings. As such, he had his sons, or the prajapatis (also known as the cosmic executives) to spread out throughout the universe to populate the habitable worlds. IMO, this would mean that there were females involved in the process. This could mean that these cosmic executives mated with the protohuman females throughout the universe. In order for the cosmic executives to cover the entire universe, they must have been spiritual beings who were and are capable of traveling the entire breadth of the universe instantaneously. So, we have a case here that is reminiscent of the biblical story of the Elohim who came from the heavens, saw the human females to be attractive, and mated with them. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: So, is India a poor country or a wealthy one? Do you feel that the following rates have been subsidised by the west?These fees may not sound to be much if converting Rupees to Dollars, but they still are a lot for the average Indian worker http://www.peace-movement.net/participation.jsp http://www.peace-movement.net/participation.jsp These amounts aren't fees to learn TM. They're donation amounts to be a participant in this peace movement, which appears to be a new program of the TMO in India. It's not new at all, it was the first step by Girish to separate the Indian movement from the west, Which happened when, exactly? It's written on the webpage. Where? and of course the membership fees are a way of charging for TM I believe you're mistaken on that point. I don't think those fees cover instruction. Believe what you want, they certainly are. I couldn't find anywhere on the Web site where it says the membership fees cover instruction. The membership application form asks whether the applicant practices TM and the TM-Sidhis, but it doesn't mention a discount if he or she does, nor does it say anything about the fee including instruction. If I missed it, I'm sure you'll be able to tell me where to find it. All in all, it is easy to point to some obscure country, and say, well we spend all the money for poor countries, but where is the documentation? I didn't say spend ALL the money for poor countries. That certainly isn't the case. See my last paragraph below. Don't get hooked up on small formulations. Then don't exaggerate and put words in my mouth. I didn't put anything in your mouth. I said, it is easy to point to some obscure country, etc. Where is any attribution to you? It's a general attribution, don't play foul game. I think you intended it to be understood as something I'd said. As to documentation, I don't have any. However, on various TM forums and elsewhere I've heard people who have taught in India and other poor countries say that they charged a very low or no fee. Perhaps they're all lying, and a fee equivalent to that in the U.S. is charged everywhere. I've never heard anyone speak up to that effect, though. This was usually during special campaigns, during certain time periods. You won't find american teachers now teaching TM in India. It was also true in the Philippines, but all during a limited period of time. So you claim everyone in every country is normally charged an equivalent fee to that charged in the U.S.? Now you are putting things into my mouth. Did you miss the question mark? I'm *asking* whether that's your claim. I am not saying that everywhere the fee is equivalent to that charged in the USA. In some countries it is even considerably more. According to income this is in fact impossible to compare in a country like India, where for the middle class, it might be a comparable fee, but for the big mass of poor people, it is even immensely more. Perhaps if we could find out what the fee actually is in India, and what the policy is for the big mass of poor people, we could make some judgments. In any case, it doesn't give a compensatory legitimacy to high fees in the west. We don't know that unless we know what the fees are. Also, $1,500 is well within the means of many people in this country; they'll easily spend that much and more on a week's vacation. And if someone really wants to learn and simply can't afford it, the TMO will usually work something out with them. Typical answer: you have to really want it, and then you can also afford it. More or less true of just about anything, no? You deleted the comment of Barry's I was responding to, so let's put it back in for context: As it was irrelevant, your favorite word, right? It was very relevant to my response to Barry. You keep pushing around this word relevance, but who judges it's relevance, except yourself? I don't think you understand the term relevance in the context of an electronic conversation. It doesn't mean important or significant, it means it relates directly to my response to Barry. You took that response out of context and went off in a number of different directions that did not address my point about what Barry was saying. It all depends on what you deem important or not. No, as I said, it doesn't have to do with importance per se, it has to do with what specifically was at issue. You continue playing this petty game, and overlook the import of the whole. You only concentrate on certain unimportant parts of Barry's posts, some rhetorical hook ups, and cover up the real points of his posts,
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[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: Why is it 'incorrect' if you say something wrong, deceptive but a blatant lie if Barry does so? I don't say things with the intention to deceive, first of all, although I may say something wrong inadvertently. Can't argue with that, because, unlike others I am not into mind reading. But you should also be clear that it is obvious that you try to diminish points that are unfavorable to your arguments, Oh, that's very funny. You make it sound as though that weren't what everyone, including yourself, does in debating a disagreement. as in this case. The point is that there are teachers, who still teach in this way, they are quite a few, so there is still a good chance to get one of those two mantras, and let me calculate, if the amount of teachers from that time would be 50%, Fifty percent of what? it would be about 8 times higher than getting any other mantra, (16 divided by 2), but let's assume it's just slightly over 10%, then chances are that you get the mantra Ram are about as much as that of any other of the later mantras. ;-) I doubt there's anywhere near that many pre-1969 teachers currently teaching. Second, not everything Barry says that is wrong is a blatant lie. Sometimes he gets things wrong inadvertently as well. Here you get so boring that I find it hard to take you seriously. Yeah, it can be really boring to have your points rebutted. If the above confuses you, please consult Mr. Dictionary for the meaning of to lie and to deceive. And maybe you conduct Mr. Dictionary about the difference between the active verb 'to deceive' and the adjective 'deceptive'. Well, thank you for clarifying that you didn't intend to suggest I was attempting to deceive. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Here's a question for you -- if I (trained as a TM teacher by Maharishi) were to teach someone to meditate and teach them according to the exact instructions he told me to impart to students, but changed only one thing -- the mantra -- would it be the same technique, or a different one? What if I taught them to use the mantra Ram (the one Maharishi *started* teaching TM with, for everyone) instead of one from the latest official list? Would it be different than TM, or the same? It would be different than TM as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for decades, as Barry knows but figures Emily doesn't. This is a very deceptive answer. Well, no, it isn't. It may be *incorrect* in the case of TM teachers who got only the two early Rishikesh mantras and are still giving them out today, but how many such teachers are there? IOW, it's a minor inaccuracy. First of all it may not be 'incorrect', it certainly IS incorrect, wrong, false and misleading. Again your lack of fluency in English is causing problems, with regard to the It may be... construction. Why again? Stop patronizing me and making unfounded assumptions. Find an English teacher to explain it to you. Let me say it slightly differently: Even if I got that one point wrong, it was minor, because there aren't many from those days still teaching. Both versions of that statement acknowledge the inaccuracy. Well, no, it isn't referred to your deceptive characterization. And it is not minor, because you can not determine how active early TM teachers still are. This is regarding any teacher until 1969. Some of the most successful TM teachers were/are from this time. These were the mantras - if everything followed the usual course - the Beatles got. How many of them are still teaching? Because Barry's question had to do with the present. How many are teaching at all? How much is TM still being taught? Oh, I thought you knew. You were making all kinds of calculations above. And then: many of them are teachers of the first hour, they are Rajas today. (By first hour, I assume you mean 1969 and before, right?) How many of the rajas actually teach? Many of these early TM teachers initiated many thousands into TM. Many were early scientists who made research on TM, I know one of them, who is now an independent teacher. Many had charisma later TM teachers who were on the mass courses of La Antilla or Mallorca didn't have. Fine, but irrelevant. Everything you go on to say is also irrelevant to the question Barry asked. Not irrelevant to their influence today. But we don't know how many of them are actively teaching for the TMO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the Universe Got Populated
emptybill, My apologies. I stand corrected. The word should have been nephilim. That goes to show that you're a bible scholar. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: You probably meant the nephilim (the fallen) rather than the elohim (deity/deities). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim Like the Hari Krishna accounts from the Sri Bhagavad and Vishnu Puranas, quoted by Jason in his reply, these are mythologized stories designed to authenticate cultural groups i.e. their sources and successions. Chit-svabhava (awareness) doesn't come from anywhere or go anywhere. It is ever-present seeing (cit.matra.taa), that is not part of the triad of cognizer-cognition-cognized. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: According to the vedic story, Brahma is credited for the creation of human beings. As such, he had his sons, or the prajapatis (also known as the cosmic executives) to spread out throughout the universe to populate the habitable worlds. IMO, this would mean that there were females involved in the process. This could mean that these cosmic executives mated with the protohuman females throughout the universe. In order for the cosmic executives to cover the entire universe, they must have been spiritual beings who were and are capable of traveling the entire breadth of the universe instantaneously. So, we have a case here that is reminiscent of the biblical story of the Elohim who came from the heavens, saw the human females to be attractive, and mated with them. JR
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[FairfieldLife] Re: How the Universe Got Populated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: Your 'wish' to take these stories literaly is puzzling. The first female prajapati was also cosmic. Brahma is self-born in the lotus flower. Another legend says that Brahma was born in water. A seed that later became the golden egg. From this golden egg, Brahma the creator was born, as Hiranyagarbha. Another legend says, Lord Brahma the creator was born from the essence of Vishnu and desired to create the worlds and its inhabitants. Before creating anything else four divine beings were created from his consciousness and those were the eternal bachelors and Brahma Manasaputras ( born from Lord Brahma's mind ) Sanaka,Sanatana,Sanandana and Sanat Kumara. In the beginning, Brahma created four great sages named Sanaka, Sananda, Sanatana and Sanat-kumara. All of them were unwilling to adopt materialistic activities because they were highly elevated due to their perfect brahmacharya. Brahma spoke to his sons after generating them. 'My dear sons,' he said, 'now generate progeny.' But due to their being attached to Vasudeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, they aimed at liberation, and therefore they expressed their unwillingness. The four Brahma manasaputra's were eternally engaged in chanting of Sri Maha Vishnu's name and were perfect Siddhas. Sage Narada who also an Brahma manasaputra received divine knowledge from the kumara's at a later stage.The kumara's had the boon of eternal youth and they established the firm foundations of Sankhya. Sankhya is the basis of the Bhagavad gita and Bhagavatam. Then from Brahma all the seven great sages, the Manusmrti and Bhagavat Purana enumerate them as Marici, Atri, Angira, Pulastya, Pulaha, Kratu, Vasistha and the Prajapatis, are also manifested, Daksa, Bhrgu, and Narada. When the four previous sons of Brahma, the sages Sanaka, Sanatana, Sanandana and Sanat-kumara, refused to obey their father, Brahma was mortified, and his anger was manifested in the shape of Rudra. That incident was not forgotten by Brahma, and therefore the obedience of Manu Svayambhuva was very encouraging. To continue with the process of creation, Brahma gave birth to a man and a woman from his own body. The man was named Svayambhuva Manu and the woman was named Shatarupa. Humans are descended from Manu. That is the reason they are known as manava. Manu and Shatarupa had three sons named Vira, Priyavarata and Uttanapada. Kashyapa married thirteen of Daksha's daughters. Their names were Aditi, Diti, Danu, Arishta, Surasa, Khasa, Surabhi, Vinata, Tamra, Krodhavasha, Ida, Kadru and Muni. Aditi's sons were the twelve gods known as the adityas. Their names were Vishnu, Shakra, Aryama, Dhata, Vidhata, Tvashta, Pusha, Vivasvana, Savita, Mitravaruna, Amsha and Bhaga. Diti's sons were the daityas (demons). They were named Hiranyaksha and Hiranyakshipu, and amongst their descendants were several other powerful daityas like Vali and Vanasura. Diti also had a daughter named Simhika who was married to a danava (demon) named Viprachitti. Their offsprings were terrible demons like Vatapi, Namuchi, Ilvala, Maricha and the nivatakavachas. The hundred sons of Danu came to be known as danavas. The danavas were thus cousins to the daityas and also to the adityas. In the danava line were born demons like the poulamas and kalakeyas. Arishta's sons were the gandharvas (singers of heaven). Surasa gave birth to the snakes (sarpa). Khasa's children were the yakshas (demi-gods who were the companions of Kubera, the god of wealth) and the rakshasas (demons). Surabhi's descendants were cows and buffaloes. Vinata had two sons named Aruna and Garuda. Garuda became the king of the birds. Tamara had six daughters. From these daughters were born owls, eagles, vultures, crows, water-fowl, horses, camels and donkeys. Krodhavasha had fourteen thousand children known as nagas (snakes). Ila gave birth to trees, creepers, shrubs and bushes. Kadru's sons were also known as nagas or snakes. Among the more important of Kadru's sons were Ananta, Vasuki, Takshaka and Nahusha. Muni gave birth to the apsaras (dancers of heaven). Diti's children (daityas) and Aditi's children (adityas) continually fought amongst themselves. On one particular occasion, the gods succeeded in killing many of the demons. Thirsting for revenge, Diti began to pray to her husband, Kashyapa that she might give birth to a son who would kill Indra, the king of the gods. Jason, You know the vedic story very well. But there are references in the Srimad Bhagavatam stating that the prajapatis are also called the progenitors. In my mind, this designation raises many interesting possiblities as to how human beings were created. The vedic account implies that there could be human
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the Universe Got Populated
I think Robert needs to weigh in. From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 8:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the Universe Got Populated --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: Your 'wish' to take these stories literaly is puzzling. The first female prajapati was also cosmic. Brahma is self-born in the lotus flower. Another legend says that Brahma was born in water. A seed that later became the golden egg. From this golden egg, Brahma the creator was born, as Hiranyagarbha. Another legend says, Lord Brahma the creator was born from the essence of Vishnu and desired to create the worlds and its inhabitants. Before creating anything else four divine beings were created from his consciousness and those were the eternal bachelors and Brahma Manasaputras ( born from Lord Brahma's mind ) Sanaka,Sanatana,Sanandana and Sanat Kumara. In the beginning, Brahma created four great sages named Sanaka, Sananda, Sanatana and Sanat-kumara. All of them were unwilling to adopt materialistic activities because they were highly elevated due to their perfect brahmacharya. Brahma spoke to his sons after generating them. 'My dear sons,' he said, 'now generate progeny.' But due to their being attached to Vasudeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, they aimed at liberation, and therefore they expressed their unwillingness. The four Brahma manasaputra's were eternally engaged in chanting of Sri Maha Vishnu's name and were perfect Siddhas. Sage Narada who also an Brahma manasaputra received divine knowledge from the kumara's at a later stage.The kumara's had the boon of eternal youth and they established the firm foundations of Sankhya. Sankhya is the basis of the Bhagavad gita and Bhagavatam. Then from Brahma all the seven great sages, the Manusmrti and Bhagavat Purana enumerate them as Marici, Atri, Angira, Pulastya, Pulaha, Kratu, Vasistha and the Prajapatis, are also manifested, Daksa, Bhrgu, and Narada. When the four previous sons of Brahma, the sages Sanaka, Sanatana, Sanandana and Sanat-kumara, refused to obey their father, Brahma was mortified, and his anger was manifested in the shape of Rudra. That incident was not forgotten by Brahma, and therefore the obedience of Manu Svayambhuva was very encouraging. To continue with the process of creation, Brahma gave birth to a man and a woman from his own body. The man was named Svayambhuva Manu and the woman was named Shatarupa. Humans are descended from Manu. That is the reason they are known as manava. Manu and Shatarupa had three sons named Vira, Priyavarata and Uttanapada. Kashyapa married thirteen of Daksha's daughters. Their names were Aditi, Diti, Danu, Arishta, Surasa, Khasa, Surabhi, Vinata, Tamra, Krodhavasha, Ida, Kadru and Muni. Aditi's sons were the twelve gods known as the adityas. Their names were Vishnu, Shakra, Aryama, Dhata, Vidhata, Tvashta, Pusha, Vivasvana, Savita, Mitravaruna, Amsha and Bhaga. Diti's sons were the daityas (demons). They were named Hiranyaksha and Hiranyakshipu, and amongst their descendants were several other powerful daityas like Vali and Vanasura. Diti also had a daughter named Simhika who was married to a danava (demon) named Viprachitti. Their offsprings were terrible demons like Vatapi, Namuchi, Ilvala, Maricha and the nivatakavachas. The hundred sons of Danu came to be known as danavas. The danavas were thus cousins to the daityas and also to the adityas. In the danava line were born demons like the poulamas and kalakeyas. Arishta's sons were the gandharvas (singers of heaven). Surasa gave birth to the snakes (sarpa). Khasa's children were the yakshas (demi-gods who were the companions of Kubera, the god of wealth) and the rakshasas (demons). Surabhi's descendants were cows and buffaloes. Vinata had two sons named Aruna and Garuda. Garuda became the king of the birds. Tamara had six daughters. From these daughters were born owls, eagles, vultures, crows, water-fowl, horses, camels and donkeys. Krodhavasha had fourteen thousand children known as nagas (snakes). Ila gave birth to trees, creepers, shrubs and bushes. Kadru's sons were also known as nagas or snakes. Among the more important of Kadru's sons were Ananta, Vasuki, Takshaka and Nahusha. Muni gave birth to the apsaras (dancers of heaven). Diti's children (daityas) and Aditi's children (adityas) continually fought amongst themselves. On one particular occasion, the gods succeeded in killing many of the demons. Thirsting for revenge, Diti began to pray to her husband, Kashyapa that she might give birth to a son who would kill Indra, the king of the gods. Jason, You know the vedic story very well. But there are references in the Srimad
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's scary socialist past revealed, (breaking).
Excellent point. From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 10:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's scary socialist past revealed, (breaking). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: snip Radical-in-Chief: Barack Obama and the Untold Story of American Socialism
[FairfieldLife] And the race is on
I guess it *is* all about the money. Economics 101 http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/07/obamas-campaign-raised-60-million-in-may/
