date:20140519

2014-05-19 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Take life as it comes.  Any other questions?

[FairfieldLife] Not Repsonsible

There are many things that still surprise me about the things that long-term TM 
TBs believe and that I no longer believe, but I admit to having been somewhat 
taken aback yesterday at Lawson's seemingly unquestioning acceptance of what he 
was told about the nature of enlightenment. That is, that (according to MMY) 
once one is enlightened, a person cannot possibly do any wrong, because all of 
their actions are run by God, or the Laws Of Nature, or whatever/whomever 
they believe is pulling the strings. 

I personally consider this belief THE most negative and THE most destructive in 
all of the spiritual mythologies that have built up around the concept of 
enlightenment. 

And I say this *knowing* where the belief comes from. It comes from the 
subjective experience of a brain fart that makes one feel as if one is not the 
doer. THAT, plus the experience of having some dissociative distance from 
one's thoughts and actions that one has been taught to associate with 
witnessing have been the cause of most of the bad things that have taken 
place in the history of the pursuit of enlightenment. 

The fascinating thing from my point of view is that this particular brain fart 
can be created in a laboratory, through the use of medications, or by 
overloading the normal electrical impulses of the brain by stronger impulses, 
applied to certain areas of the brain. When this happens, the subject begins to 
feel as if they are not the doer, and that something ELSE is running 
things. All because of an induced brain fart. Enlightenment traditions that 
glorify this brain fart teach that this mysterious ELSE is God, or the 
workings of the Laws Of Nature, and thus anything the person in Brain Fart 
Consciousness finds themselves doing while in this not the doer state is 
the RIGHT thing, the GODLY thing, the PERFECT thing. 

I -- having experienced this brain fart myself many times -- call bullshit. 
Brain Fart Consciousness is Just Another State Of Attention. It is no better 
or higher or superior than any other. People just believe it is because 
they've been TAUGHT to believe that. 

If they had never heard any of the myths of the enlightenment traditions, and 
had just stumbled upon this brain fart themselves, they would probably consult 
a psychiatrist, who would diagnose their condition as dissociation. But they 
HAVE been taught that this witnessing brain fart is not only a form of 
Something good is happening, it's the BEST form of something good happening. 
It's an indicator -- in their brainwashed minds, that is -- of enlightenment. 

And why? Because, in my opinion, these people long for a state in which they 
can consider themselves Not Responsible for anything they do. 

The 60s comedy group The Firesign Theater used to do some great routines based 
on this concept. Park and Lock It -- Not Responsible. The whole idea is that 
the person selling something or doing something is Not Responsible for whatever 
happens to those buying it. People who believe in this Brain Fart Consciousness 
model of enlightenment seem to feel that they can do or say ANYTHING and *get 
away with it* because it's not really *them* doing it. It's God, or 
enlightenment, or the Laws Of Nature. THEY are off the hook. 

The thing is, I don't think either the material world OR the more sensible 
world of enlightenment work that way. The person in the lab who has had this 
not the doer brain fart induced may FEEL as if their actions are being 
performed by someone/something ELSE, but THEY'RE NOT. If a subject in such an 
experiment, completely convinced that they were not the doer, chose to do 
something like rob a bank or kill someone, they would be convicted in a court 
of law faster than shit through a goose. And rightly. What they feel about 
who or what is pulling the trigger is simply not in question. If it was 
their finger on the trigger, THEY are responsible. 

But in spiritual communities who have been conditioned to believe the SAME 
myths about what enlightenment means, people who claim to be in this 
witnessing Brain Fart Consciousness do and say stuff every day that the people 
around them *let them get away with*, because these toadies have been taught to 
believe the same myth. 

People who have claimed to be enlightened have committed crimes, have raped 
people, have lied, have smuggled money across international borders, and have 
done any number of other heinous deeds, and their followers not only *let them 
get away with it*, they make excuses to justify these actions. All because all 
of them have been brainwashed with this idea that once a person has become 
enlightened, that person is Not Responsible any more. Being enlightened 
trumps any notions of law or morality or even decency. Whatever the person in 
Brain Fart Consciousness finds themselves doing, that is RIGHT, PERFECT, a 
veritable manifestation of the Laws Of Nature. 

You'll have to forgive me if I find people who believe in this model of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing

2014-05-19 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Curtis is an amateur philosopher, we knew that already.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 5/17/2014 8:29 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 Yes, I *do* agree with him in believing that Maharishi was WAY off in coming 
up with any meaningful interpretations of and descriptions of consciousness and 
what it means. 
 If MMY was way off, then you'd have to disagree with Immanuel Kant, Johann 
Gottlieb Fichte, Friedrich Wilhelm Joseph Schelling, Georg Wilhelm Friedrich 
Hegel and Arthur Schopenhauer and the whole of German idealism. This would be a 
monumental task for anyone, even someone with the intellect and training of 
Curtis. In addition, you'd have to argue against the Adi Shankara's Advaita 
Vedanta AND Vasubandhu's Vajrayana. And, that's without even knowing what 
Curtis means to argue about when he says that knowledge isn't structured in 
consciousness. Go figure.
 
 

 
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[FairfieldLife] Another lost Maharishi teaching that was WRONG

Having picnicked peacefully with friends on a grassy lawn beside a canal 
yesterday and watched the folks participating in the Leiden Marathon run by, I 
found myself wondering what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- at least the one from 
Squaw Valley 1967 and for years afterwards, before any traces of a certain 
teaching were eradicated from tapes -- would have thought of them. 

Based on what he said on that course and several afterwards, I suspect he would 
have said that these people running by were committing a form of suicide. They 
were, after all increasing their breath rate. And, as he explained in so many 
of those lectures, according to the Hindu superstitions he believed we are all 
born with a predetermined, finite number of breaths. So anything that increases 
the breath rate is BAD FOR YOU. It'll shorten your life and make you DIE. 
Sooner than your predetermined time, although I never quite understood how he 
managed to work the free will that allowed people to enjoy running or 
exercising into his notions of predeterminism. :-)

Like so many of his teachings that fell by the wayside, this theory was 
carefully excised from his books and tapes to make the older ones more 
consistent with his latest, greatest takes on the human condition. They were 
deemed Not Ready For Prime Time and censored. 

This all strikes me as funny because I'm in the process of writing up some 
research from the University of Basel that indicates that endurance sports not 
only change the condition and fitness of muscles but also simultaneously 
improve the neuronal connections to the muscle fibers based on a muscle-induced 
feedback. Not only does running make you fitter and enable you to live longer 
(that has been proven so often as to no longer be in question), it improves the 
functioning of your nervous system and your brain's ability to interact with 
your muscles and respond to outside stimuli in a more accurate manner. 

But you'll never find the Maharishi teaching that disputes this in any TMO 
publication, because they've all been censored to remove any traces of his 
earlier superstition-based teaching. 

Yet another example of how the enlightened can be shown to never have been 
wrong. Just practice revisionist history, remove all traces of the earlier 
idiotic idea, and voila! -- the teacher is made to look perfect, and all traces 
of the wrong ideas are gone.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another lost Maharishi teaching that was WRONG

2014-05-19 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 40 years after the Turq left the Movement he STILL obsess with Maharishi. And 
he keep trying to find new faults, this time how Maharishi protected the 
meditators from self-proclaimed enlightened coming to TM-centres lecturing 
about all kinds of nonsense and confusing the people.
 

 It seems Maharishi made such an impression on his poor soul that the Turq is 
unable to move on. A remarkable non-progress-report on the efficiency of 
Buddhist meditation. He is simply not able to move on due to the lack of 
progress in a sadhana originating from stale and decadent practices. 
 

 Or perhaps his anger is towards life in general and the lack of support for 
his hero the D.Lama. Whereas the TMO is experiencing increasing success these 
days the Lama-fellow experiences the opposite, much to the consternation of the 
poor Turq. The last few weeks the Lama has been travelling around Europe and 
not one, not a single head of state have wanted to meet him. The Lama himself 
claims it doesn't matter but his advisers and press officers are fuming. 
European politicians see what Lama is unable to acknowledge: since his escape 
to India seeking refuge amongst the Hindus he has accomplished nothing for 
Tibet. 0, nada. He is a joke and everyone knows it except himself, much like 
his followers here really.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


 Having picnicked peacefully with friends on a grassy lawn beside a canal 
yesterday and watched the folks participating in the Leiden Marathon run by, I 
found myself wondering what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- at least the one from 
Squaw Valley 1967 and for years afterwards, before any traces of a certain 
teaching were eradicated from tapes -- would have thought of them. 

Based on what he said on that course and several afterwards, I suspect he would 
have said that these people running by were committing a form of suicide. They 
were, after all increasing their breath rate. And, as he explained in so many 
of those lectures, according to the Hindu superstitions he believed we are all 
born with a predetermined, finite number of breaths. So anything that increases 
the breath rate is BAD FOR YOU. It'll shorten your life and make you DIE. 
Sooner than your predetermined time, although I never quite understood how he 
managed to work the free will that allowed people to enjoy running or 
exercising into his notions of predeterminism. :-)

Like so many of his teachings that fell by the wayside, this theory was 
carefully excised from his books and tapes to make the older ones more 
consistent with his latest, greatest takes on the human condition. They were 
deemed Not Ready For Prime Time and censored. 

This all strikes me as funny because I'm in the process of writing up some 
research from the University of Basel that indicates that endurance sports not 
only change the condition and fitness of muscles but also simultaneously 
improve the neuronal connections to the muscle fibers based on a muscle-induced 
feedback. Not only does running make you fitter and enable you to live longer 
(that has been proven so often as to no longer be in question), it improves the 
functioning of your nervous system and your brain's ability to interact with 
your muscles and respond to outside stimuli in a more accurate manner. 

But you'll never find the Maharishi teaching that disputes this in any TMO 
publication, because they've all been censored to remove any traces of his 
earlier superstition-based teaching. 

Yet another example of how the enlightened can be shown to never have been 
wrong. Just practice revisionist history, remove all traces of the earlier 
idiotic idea, and voila! -- the teacher is made to look perfect, and all traces 
of the wrong ideas are gone.

[FairfieldLife] Heretical Heresy

I have (so far) a low workload this week, so I'm going to take advantage of it 
in this cafebefore moving on to the next science article, and write a little 
rap extolling some of the benefits I see in the practice of meditation. 

Yeah, I know that such a stance might confound some who like to portray critics 
of Maharishi or some aspects of TM or the TMO on this forum as 
anti-meditation and neganauts and heretics in their attempts to demonize 
us, but it is nonetheless true. I, in all my heretic inglory, happen to believe 
that there are *many* benefits to meditation. 

I am joined in this company by a few other often-demonized voices on this 
forum, from Curtis to Sam Harris who (gasp) may not have any use for the notion 
of God or devotion to a path supposedly leading to some supposedly cool thing 
called enlightenment. But we all still meditate, and we all still think 
meditation has its place, and is valuable in many ways. 

Me, I don't believe that any particular *form* of meditation is The Best or 
superior in any way to another, but I think that most of them that allow the 
practitioner's mind to settle down a bit into silence are of value. That is an 
experience that many on this planet have rarely had, and I think it provides 
value when trying to suss out what life is about and where one fits into it. 
Silence is almost always preferable to noise and clammor...unless, of course, 
you're at a Rolling Stones concert, cuz you kinda went there *looking* for 
noise and clammor, n'est-ce pas? :-)

Meditation practices also provide some needed rest in our busy society, and I'm 
all for that. Heck, I'm even grateful for the periods of my life in which I 
practiced *long* meditations, with eyes closed for 8-12 hours a day. I must 
have logged *years* of such experience, and I think *they* had some value, too, 
although I would not recommend them to the average person on the street. 

If for no other reason, these periods of extended meditation enabled me to have 
many subjective experiences that many have associated with paranormal 
experiences and/or enlightenment. And such experiences were *neat*, while they 
were going on. I don't miss any of them (and in fact they often happen even 
these days, far from any long rounding course), but they gave me a 
perspective that many spiritual seekers don't have. 

I don't have to accept the dogma about enlightened states of mind as dogma. I 
have experienced it as experience. And this gives me a decided advantage over 
those who have only *heard* about these states, because they either have to 
accept them as dogma, or as a form of faith and hope. I've experienced them, 
and that gives me the freedom to regard them *differently* than I was taught to 
regard them. 

Witnessing, schmitnessing. Minor brain fart, not worth focusing on much. Having 
it present doesn't enhance life and make it better, just as not having it 
does not detract from life and make it worse. I can regard this experience as 
what it was (and occasionally still is) -- Just Another State Of Attention, no 
higher, more evolved, or better than any other. I can do the same thing 
with other experiences that the study of meditation has led me to. I've 
witnessed levitation and invisibility and can react to having done so with a 
Buckaroo Banzai-like Big deal...so what?! I have personally experienced 
telepathy and being able to catch glimpses of the future, and again...Big 
deal...so what?! If these things worked consistently, they would have worked 
in Vegas, and I'd be rich now. :-)

It's NOT that I'm saying that such experiences don't exist. I can't...I've had 
these experiences myself. It's just that I don't believe the things that some 
spiritual teachers tried to get me to believe about what they mean. I'm not 
sure they mean bloody anything, other than they were Just Another State Of 
Attention. Just another brain fart in the refried beanery of life. :-)

If TM cost less, and were not taught by a cult whose primary goal is to recruit 
new members of the cult to fill its coffers, I'd be able to suggest that people 
learn it. Because it *is* taught by a cult, and I wouldn't knowingly suggest 
that people expose themselves to such a cult, I can't really recommend TM. If 
people do it and like it, fine. But when I run into someone these days who 
expresses interest in learning to meditate, I direct them to other, cheaper, 
and more legitimate sources. 

But yes, the heretic *does* still recommend meditation. As what it is, not what 
some have made of it. Meditation is something that -- practiced a short time 
daily or every so often as one feels like it -- can bring value to one's life. 
The same meditation -- practiced as a crutch you really can't do without or 
for hours a day and as a kind of religion -- not so much. 

Funny how the same thing can be both positive and negative, depending on what 
you do with it. Water, drunk in moderation, can preserve life. Too much of it 
can end life.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Another lost Maharishi teaching that was WRONG

2014-05-19 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

He must have had some advanced esoteric techniques to keep his breath on a even 
keel when he was screwing all those gals in the early days.

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 5:33 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Another lost Maharishi teaching that was WRONG

Having picnicked peacefully with friends on a grassy lawn beside a canal 
yesterday and watched the folks participating in the Leiden Marathon run by, I 
found myself wondering what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- at least the one from 
Squaw Valley 1967 and for years afterwards, before any traces of a certain 
teaching were eradicated from tapes -- would have thought of them. 

Based on what he said on that course and several afterwards, I suspect he would 
have said that these people running by were committing a form of suicide. They 
were, after all increasing their breath rate. And, as he explained in so many 
of those lectures, according to the Hindu superstitions he believed we are
 all born with a predetermined, finite number of breaths. So anything that 
increases the breath rate is BAD FOR YOU. It'll shorten your life and make you 
DIE. Sooner than your predetermined time, although I never quite understood how 
he managed to work the free will that allowed people to enjoy running or 
exercising into his notions of predeterminism. :-)

Like so many of his teachings that fell by the wayside, this theory was 
carefully excised from his books and tapes to make the older ones more 
consistent with his latest, greatest takes on the human condition. They were 
deemed Not Ready For Prime Time and censored. 

This all strikes me as funny because I'm in the process of writing up some 
research from the University of Basel that indicates that endurance sports not 
only change the condition and fitness of muscles but also simultaneously 
improve the neuronal
 connections to the muscle fibers based on a muscle-induced feedback. Not only 
does running make you fitter and enable you to live longer (that has been 
proven so often as to no longer be in question), it improves the functioning of 
your nervous system and your brain's ability to interact with your muscles and 
respond to outside stimuli in a more accurate manner. 

But you'll never find the Maharishi teaching that disputes this in any TMO 
publication, because they've all been censored to remove any traces of his 
earlier superstition-based teaching. 

Yet another example of how the enlightened can be shown to never have been 
wrong. Just practice revisionist history, remove all traces of the earlier 
idiotic idea, and voila! -- the teacher is made to look perfect, and all traces 
of the wrong ideas are gone.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Heretical Heresy

2014-05-19 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

As a followup, I have to comment that just after writing this, one of my 
favorite songs came on the sound system, almost as if it were some kind of 
support of nature  or Castanedan omen.


The song is from the latest in The Hobbit cycle of movies, and as some 
critics have suggested, may be better in some ways than the movie itself. This 
song captures for me one of the other positive things a study of meditation can 
bring to a person -- the occasional joys of sangha, or being part of a group of 
like-minded people. 


That can be a real high, and yes, of course, I've experienced it, both in the 
TMO and in the Rama trip. There are periods in one's life when being part of an 
echo chamber in which one will hear few things that contradict one's belief 
system has value. At the same time, when one has begun to outgrow the group, 
and move on, the group should be cool enough to allow one to do so. The TM trip 
was not, when it was my time to move on; the Rama trip, for the most part, was. 


Anyway, here's the song. I like it because of its drama, the way it builds and 
builds to a musical celebration of being on a quest, of traveling with a 
group of fellow seekers in search of adventure. That's a real high, and one I 
have not in any way abandoned. It's just that my group is smaller these days, 
consisting primarily of myself, my friends, and my family. Same adventure, same 
journey, just less baggage. 


Ed Sheeran - I See Fire (Music Video)


 
   Ed Sheeran - I See Fire (Music Video)  
View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo  



 From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 12:58 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Heretical Heresy
 


  
I have (so far) a low workload this week, so I'm going to take advantage of it 
in this cafe before moving on to the next science article, and write a little 
rap extolling some of the benefits I see in the practice of meditation. 

Yeah, I know that such a stance might confound some who like to portray critics 
of Maharishi or some aspects of TM or the TMO on this forum as 
anti-meditation and neganauts and heretics in their attempts to demonize 
us, but it is nonetheless true. I, in all my heretic inglory, happen to believe 
that there are *many* benefits to meditation. 

I am joined in this company by a few other often-demonized
 voices on this forum, from Curtis to Sam Harris who (gasp) may not have any 
use for the notion of God or devotion to a path supposedly leading to some 
supposedly cool thing called enlightenment. But we all still meditate, and we 
all still think meditation has its place, and is valuable in many ways. 

Me, I don't believe that any particular *form* of meditation is The Best or 
superior in any way to another, but I think that most of them that allow the 
practitioner's mind to settle down a bit into silence are of value. That is an 
experience that many on this planet have rarely had, and I think it provides 
value when trying to suss out what life is about and where one fits into it. 
Silence is almost always preferable to noise and clammor...unless, of course, 
you're at a Rolling Stones concert, cuz you kinda went there *looking* for 
noise and clammor, n'est-ce pas? :-)

Meditation practices also provide some needed rest in our busy society, and I'm 
all for that. Heck, I'm even grateful for the periods of my life in which I 
practiced *long* meditations, with eyes closed for 8-12 hours a day. I must 
have logged *years* of such experience, and I think *they* had some value, too, 
although I would not recommend them to the average person on the street. 

If for no other reason, these periods of extended meditation enabled me to have 
many subjective experiences that many have associated with paranormal 
experiences and/or enlightenment. And such experiences were *neat*, while they 
were going on. I don't miss any of them (and in fact they often happen even 
these days, far from any long rounding course), but they gave me a 
perspective that many spiritual seekers don't have. 

I don't have to accept the dogma about enlightened states
 of mind as dogma. I have experienced it as experience. And this gives me a 
decided advantage over those who have only *heard* about these states, because 
they either have to accept them as dogma, or as a form of faith and hope. I've 
experienced them, and that gives me the freedom to regard them *differently* 
than I was taught to regard them. 

Witnessing, schmitnessing. Minor brain fart, not worth focusing on much. Having 
it present doesn't enhance life and make it better, just as not having it 
does not detract from life and make it worse. I can regard this experience as 
what it was (and occasionally still is) -- Just Another State Of Attention, no 
higher, more evolved, or better than any other. I can do the same thing 
with other

Re: [FairfieldLife] Not Repsonsible

2014-05-19 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

turq, if you were actually around long term TMers you would know how they 
really are about taking responsibility. Most simply live their lives as best as 
they can, contributing to the happiness of the world as best as they can. I 
find much of what you say about TMers to be very dated, not relevant to how 
long term TMers are now.

On Monday, May 19, 2014 3:24 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
There are many things that still surprise me about the things that long-term TM 
TBs believe and that I no longer believe, but I admit to having been somewhat 
taken aback yesterday at Lawson's seemingly unquestioning acceptance of what he 
was told about the nature of enlightenment. That is, that (according to MMY) 
once one is enlightened, a person cannot possibly do any wrong, because all of 
their actions are run by God, or the Laws Of Nature, or whatever/whomever 
they believe is pulling the strings. 

I personally consider this belief THE most negative and THE most destructive in 
all of the spiritual mythologies that have built up around the concept of 
enlightenment. 

And I say this *knowing* where the belief comes from. It comes from the 
subjective experience of a brain fart that makes one feel as if one is not the 
doer. THAT, plus the experience of having some dissociative distance from 
one's thoughts and actions that one has been taught to associate with 
witnessing have been the cause of most of the bad things that have taken 
place in the history of the pursuit of enlightenment. 

The fascinating thing from my point of view is that this particular brain fart 
can be created in a laboratory, through the use of medications, or by 
overloading the normal electrical impulses of the brain by stronger impulses, 
applied to certain areas of the brain. When this happens, the subject begins to 
feel as if they are not the doer, and that something ELSE is running 
things. All because of an induced brain fart. Enlightenment traditions that
 glorify this brain fart teach that this mysterious ELSE is God, or the 
workings of the Laws Of Nature, and thus anything the person in Brain Fart 
Consciousness finds themselves doing while in this not the doer state is 
the RIGHT thing, the GODLY thing, the PERFECT thing. 

I -- having experienced this brain fart myself many times -- call bullshit. 
Brain Fart Consciousness is Just Another State Of Attention. It is no better 
or higher or superior than any other. People just believe it is because 
they've been TAUGHT to believe that. 

If they had never heard any of the myths of the enlightenment traditions, and 
had just stumbled upon this brain fart themselves, they would probably consult 
a psychiatrist, who would diagnose their condition as dissociation. But they 
HAVE been taught that this witnessing brain fart is not only a form of 
Something good is
 happening, it's the BEST form of something good happening. It's an indicator 
-- in their brainwashed minds, that is -- of enlightenment. 

And why? Because, in my opinion, these people long for a state in which they 
can consider themselves Not Responsible for anything they do. 

The 60s comedy group The Firesign Theater used to do some great routines based 
on this concept. Park and Lock It -- Not Responsible. The whole idea is that 
the person selling something or doing something is Not Responsible for whatever 
happens to those buying it. People who believe in this Brain Fart Consciousness 
model of enlightenment seem to feel that they can do or say ANYTHING and *get 
away with it* because it's not really *them* doing it. It's God, or 
enlightenment, or the Laws Of Nature. THEY are off the hook. 

The thing is, I don't think
 either the material world OR the more sensible world of enlightenment work 
that way. The person in the lab who has had this not the doer brain fart 
induced may FEEL as if their actions are being performed by someone/something 
ELSE, but THEY'RE NOT. If a subject in such an experiment, completely convinced 
that they were not the doer, chose to do something like rob a bank or kill 
someone, they would be convicted in a court of law faster than shit through a 
goose. And rightly. What they feel about who or what is pulling the 
trigger is simply not in question. If it was their finger on the trigger, THEY 
are responsible. 

But in spiritual communities who have been conditioned to believe the SAME 
myths about what enlightenment means, people who claim to be in this 
witnessing Brain Fart Consciousness do and say stuff every day that the people 
around them *let them get away with*, because these toadies have
 been taught to believe the same myth. 

People who have claimed to be enlightened have committed crimes, have raped 
people, have lied, have smuggled money across international borders, and have 
done any number of other heinous deeds, and their followers not only *let them 
get away with it*, they make excuses to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another lost Maharishi teaching that was WRONG

2014-05-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Those heads of state are snubbing the DL because they don't want to piss off 
China. I researched the lineage of the DL and found out he does not have one, 
as so many Lamas were substituted over the years, for political purposes, there 
is no clear transmission of *anything* throughout the centuries, except this 
barren title. Basically the whole DL thing started as a way to mollify Genghis 
Khan. The entire tradition is BS, adopted by some followers in the West, out 
of sheer desperation, and romantic notions.  

 So it should be no surprise to see who takes the DL fantasy seriously on this 
forum...show of hands?? No? OK, how about those who have witnessed activity for 
two weeks, solid? h?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 40 years after the Turq left the Movement he STILL obsess with Maharishi. And 
he keep trying to find new faults, this time how Maharishi protected the 
meditators from self-proclaimed enlightened coming to TM-centres lecturing 
about all kinds of nonsense and confusing the people.
 

 It seems Maharishi made such an impression on his poor soul that the Turq is 
unable to move on. A remarkable non-progress-report on the efficiency of 
Buddhist meditation. He is simply not able to move on due to the lack of 
progress in a sadhana originating from stale and decadent practices.
 

 Or perhaps his anger is towards life in general and the lack of support for 
his hero the D.Lama. Whereas the TMO is experiencing increasing success these 
days the Lama-fellow experiences the opposite, much to the consternation of the 
poor Turq. The last few weeks the Lama has been travelling around Europe and 
not one, not a single head of state have wanted to meet him. The Lama himself 
claims it doesn't matter but his advisers and press officers are fuming. 
European politicians see what Lama is unable to acknowledge: since his escape 
to India seeking refuge amongst the Hindus he has accomplished nothing for 
Tibet. 0, nada. He is a joke and everyone knows it except himself, much like 
his followers here really.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


 Having picnicked peacefully with friends on a grassy lawn beside a canal 
yesterday and watched the folks participating in the Leiden Marathon run by, I 
found myself wondering what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- at least the one from 
Squaw Valley 1967 and for years afterwards, before any traces of a certain 
teaching were eradicated from tapes -- would have thought of them. 

Based on what he said on that course and several afterwards, I suspect he would 
have said that these people running by were committing a form of suicide. They 
were, after all increasing their breath rate. And, as he explained in so many 
of those lectures, according to the Hindu superstitions he believed we are all 
born with a predetermined, finite number of breaths. So anything that increases 
the breath rate is BAD FOR YOU. It'll shorten your life and make you DIE. 
Sooner than your predetermined time, although I never quite understood how he 
managed to work the free will that allowed people to enjoy running or 
exercising into his notions of predeterminism. :-)

Like so many of his teachings that fell by the wayside, this theory was 
carefully excised from his books and tapes to make the older ones more 
consistent with his latest, greatest takes on the human condition. They were 
deemed Not Ready For Prime Time and censored. 

This all strikes me as funny because I'm in the process of writing up some 
research from the University of Basel that indicates that endurance sports not 
only change the condition and fitness of muscles but also simultaneously 
improve the neuronal connections to the muscle fibers based on a muscle-induced 
feedback. Not only does running make you fitter and enable you to live longer 
(that has been proven so often as to no longer be in question), it improves the 
functioning of your nervous system and your brain's ability to interact with 
your muscles and respond to outside stimuli in a more accurate manner. 

But you'll never find the Maharishi teaching that disputes this in any TMO 
publication, because they've all been censored to remove any traces of his 
earlier superstition-based teaching. 

Yet another example of how the enlightened can be shown to never have been 
wrong. Just practice revisionist history, remove all traces of the earlier 
idiotic idea, and voila! -- the teacher is made to look perfect, and all traces 
of the wrong ideas are gone.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Heretical Heresy

2014-05-19 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

turq, you said you would recommend TM with conditions. Why would you, if those 
conditions were met, recommend it?

On Monday, May 19, 2014 5:58 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
I have (so far) a low workload this week, so I'm going to take advantage of it 
in this cafe before moving on to the next science article, and write a little 
rap extolling some of the benefits I see in the practice of meditation. 

Yeah, I know that such a stance might confound some who like to portray critics 
of Maharishi or some aspects of TM or the TMO on this forum as 
anti-meditation and neganauts and heretics in their attempts to demonize 
us, but it is nonetheless true. I, in all my heretic inglory, happen to believe 
that there are *many* benefits to meditation. 

I am joined in this company by a few other often-demonized
 voices on this forum, from Curtis to Sam Harris who (gasp) may not have any 
use for the notion of God or devotion to a path supposedly leading to some 
supposedly cool thing called enlightenment. But we all still meditate, and we 
all still think meditation has its place, and is valuable in many ways. 

Me, I don't believe that any particular *form* of meditation is The Best or 
superior in any way to another, but I think that most of them that allow the 
practitioner's mind to settle down a bit into silence are of value. That is an 
experience that many on this planet have rarely had, and I think it provides 
value when trying to suss out what life is about and where one fits into it. 
Silence is almost always preferable to noise and clammor...unless, of course, 
you're at a Rolling Stones concert, cuz you kinda went there *looking* for 
noise and clammor, n'est-ce pas? :-)

Meditation practices also provide some needed rest in our busy society, and I'm 
all for that. Heck, I'm even grateful for the periods of my life in which I 
practiced *long* meditations, with eyes closed for 8-12 hours a day. I must 
have logged *years* of such experience, and I think *they* had some value, too, 
although I would not recommend them to the average person on the street. 

If for no other reason, these periods of extended meditation enabled me to have 
many subjective experiences that many have associated with paranormal 
experiences and/or enlightenment. And such experiences were *neat*, while they 
were going on. I don't miss any of them (and in fact they often happen even 
these days, far from any long rounding course), but they gave me a 
perspective that many spiritual seekers don't have. 

I don't have to accept the dogma about enlightened states
 of mind as dogma. I have experienced it as experience. And this gives me a 
decided advantage over those who have only *heard* about these states, because 
they either have to accept them as dogma, or as a form of faith and hope. I've 
experienced them, and that gives me the freedom to regard them *differently* 
than I was taught to regard them. 

Witnessing, schmitnessing. Minor brain fart, not worth focusing on much. Having 
it present doesn't enhance life and make it better, just as not having it 
does not detract from life and make it worse. I can regard this experience as 
what it was (and occasionally still is) -- Just Another State Of Attention, no 
higher, more evolved, or better than any other. I can do the same thing 
with other experiences that the study of meditation has led me to. I've 
witnessed levitation and invisibility and can react to having done so with a 
Buckaroo Banzai-like Big deal...so
 what?! I have personally experienced telepathy and being able to catch 
glimpses of the future, and again...Big deal...so what?! If these things 
worked consistently, they would have worked in Vegas, and I'd be rich now. :-)

It's NOT that I'm saying that such experiences don't exist. I can't...I've had 
these experiences myself. It's just that I don't believe the things that some 
spiritual teachers tried to get me to believe about what they mean. I'm not 
sure they mean bloody anything, other than they were Just Another State Of 
Attention. Just another brain fart in the refried beanery of life. :-)

If TM cost less, and were not taught by a cult whose primary goal is to recruit 
new members of the cult to fill its coffers, I'd be able to suggest that people 
learn it. Because it *is* taught by a cult, and I wouldn't knowingly suggest 
that people expose themselves to
 such a cult, I can't really recommend TM. If people do it and like it, fine. 
But when I run into someone these days who expresses interest in learning to 
meditate, I direct them to other, cheaper, and more legitimate sources. 

But yes, the heretic *does* still recommend meditation. As what it is, not what 
some have made of it. Meditation is something that -- practiced a short time 
daily or every so often as one feels like it -- can bring value to one's life. 
The same meditation -- practiced as a crutch you really can't do

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing

2014-05-19 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

jeez, turq, if you think I'm a True Believer, then you must have a very 
different definition of it than I do. As for me, I don't worry or fantasize 
about getting enlightened or whatever. I find that life is pretty rich as it is.

On Monday, May 19, 2014 1:32 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :


Lawson, Curtis and others, do you think a FULLY developed human has an 
unconscious or subconscious? I think that such a person would be fully 
conscious of their entire inner world.

C: The term fully developed is not meaningful for me. It is in the same class 
and the concept of being saved for me.

The term is *intentionally* vague, so that the True Believer can fit any 
fantasy of What life will be like when I'm finally enlightened into it. 

Again, I reiterate my contention that those who seem to have the most fixed 
ideas of What enlightenment is on this forum are those who have never in 
their lives experienced it, only been told about it and fantasized about it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heretical Heresy

2014-05-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]



 Ha-ha - Barry, all these words - You describe yourself, wrt meditation, like 
someone who buys a car, not to actually go anywhere, but simply to drive around 
aimlessly in it - and then brags about the awesome experience! LOL 
 

 Now you know why it is so easy to see you have no silence, no witnessing, no 
established Being. A sane person could not think like you do.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 I have (so far) a low workload this week, so I'm going to take advantage of it 
in this cafe before moving on to the next science article, and write a little 
rap extolling some of the benefits I see in the practice of meditation. 

Yeah, I know that such a stance might confound some who like to portray critics 
of Maharishi or some aspects of TM or the TMO on this forum as 
anti-meditation and neganauts and heretics in their attempts to demonize 
us, but it is nonetheless true. I, in all my heretic inglory, happen to believe 
that there are *many* benefits to meditation. 

I am joined in this company by a few other often-demonized voices on this 
forum, from Curtis to Sam Harris who (gasp) may not have any use for the notion 
of God or devotion to a path supposedly leading to some supposedly cool thing 
called enlightenment. But we all still meditate, and we all still think 
meditation has its place, and is valuable in many ways. 

Me, I don't believe that any particular *form* of meditation is The Best or 
superior in any way to another, but I think that most of them that allow the 
practitioner's mind to settle down a bit into silence are of value. That is an 
experience that many on this planet have rarely had, and I think it provides 
value when trying to suss out what life is about and where one fits into it. 
Silence is almost always preferable to noise and clammor...unless, of course, 
you're at a Rolling Stones concert, cuz you kinda went there *looking* for 
noise and clammor, n'est-ce pas? :-)

Meditation practices also provide some needed rest in our busy society, and I'm 
all for that. Heck, I'm even grateful for the periods of my life in which I 
practiced *long* meditations, with eyes closed for 8-12 hours a day. I must 
have logged *years* of such experience, and I think *they* had some value, too, 
although I would not recommend them to the average person on the street. 

If for no other reason, these periods of extended meditation enabled me to have 
many subjective experiences that many have associated with paranormal 
experiences and/or enlightenment. And such experiences were *neat*, while they 
were going on. I don't miss any of them (and in fact they often happen even 
these days, far from any long rounding course), but they gave me a 
perspective that many spiritual seekers don't have. 

I don't have to accept the dogma about enlightened states of mind as dogma. I 
have experienced it as experience. And this gives me a decided advantage over 
those who have only *heard* about these states, because they either have to 
accept them as dogma, or as a form of faith and hope. I've experienced them, 
and that gives me the freedom to regard them *differently* than I was taught to 
regard them. 

Witnessing, schmitnessing. Minor brain fart, not worth focusing on much. Having 
it present doesn't enhance life and make it better, just as not having it 
does not detract from life and make it worse. I can regard this experience as 
what it was (and occasionally still is) -- Just Another State Of Attention, no 
higher, more evolved, or better than any other. I can do the same thing 
with other experiences that the study of meditation has led me to. I've 
witnessed levitation and invisibility and can react to having done so with a 
Buckaroo Banzai-like Big deal...so what?! I have personally experienced 
telepathy and being able to catch glimpses of the future, and again...Big 
deal...so what?! If these things worked consistently, they would have worked 
in Vegas, and I'd be rich now. :-)

It's NOT that I'm saying that such experiences don't exist. I can't...I've had 
these experiences myself. It's just that I don't believe the things that some 
spiritual teachers tried to get me to believe about what they mean. I'm not 
sure they mean bloody anything, other than they were Just Another State Of 
Attention. Just another brain fart in the refried beanery of life. :-)

If TM cost less, and were not taught by a cult whose primary goal is to recruit 
new members of the cult to fill its coffers, I'd be able to suggest that people 
learn it. Because it *is* taught by a cult, and I wouldn't knowingly suggest 
that people expose themselves to such a cult, I can't really recommend TM. If 
people do it and like it, fine. But when I run into someone these days who 
expresses interest in learning to meditate, I direct them to other, cheaper, 
and more legitimate sources. 

But yes, the heretic *does* still recommend meditation. As what it is, not what 
some have made of it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing

2014-05-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Again, I reiterate my contention that those who seem to have the most fixed 
ideas of What enlightenment is on this forum are those who have never in 
their lives experienced it, only been told about it and fantasized about it. 

 Again, this BS of yours - you have experienced enlightenment for two weeks 
out of your life - not only that, it was under specialized conditions, not in 
real life. So quit trying to insinuate yourself as an expert here, when you 
have not yet achieved your first step, as a seeker - established silence, 
witnessing 24 x 7. It embarrasses us all, to watch you act like this, both 
arrogant, and empty.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 12:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Lawson, Curtis and others, do you think a FULLY developed human has an 
unconscious or subconscious? I think that such a person would be fully 
conscious of their entire inner world.

C: The term fully developed is not meaningful for me. It is in the same class 
and the concept of being saved for me.

The term is *intentionally* vague, so that the True Believer can fit any 
fantasy of What life will be like when I'm finally enlightened into it. 

Again, I reiterate my contention that those who seem to have the most fixed 
ideas of What enlightenment is on this forum are those who have never in 
their lives experienced it, only been told about it and fantasized about it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Heretical Heresy

2014-05-19 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Heretical Heresy

turq, you said you would recommend TM with conditions. Why would you, if those 
conditions were met, recommend it?

This is a nonsensical question, Share. TM can IMO *never* be taught in a 
fashion that could meet my criteria for ethicality (at least if taught within 
the TMO), if for no other reason than it is taught by a group of people who 
have been indoctrinated for decades into unethical teaching. Their allegiance 
to the group, how it is perceived, and how prosperous it is renders them 
incapable of developing a higher allegiance to the welfare of the student.

Let's propose an example. I think that a somewhat good start ethical way of 
teaching TM would be to tell each prospective student what Maharishi himself 
said about the nature of the mantras, and that the ceremony that they *have* to 
participate in to learn is a bastardized form of an ancient Hindu ceremony in 
which both teacher and student bow down to Hindu gods and goddesses. They 
should also state up front that TM is viewed within the TMO itself as merely a 
starter technique, and that they will be pressured to learn the TM-Sidhis and 
buy all sorts of additional add-on products. 

Do you honestly believe that could ever happen? At least within the TMO itself?

On Monday, May 19, 2014 5:58 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I have (so far) a low workload this week, so I'm going to take advantage of it 
in this cafe before moving on to the next science article, and write a little 
rap extolling some of the benefits I see in the practice of meditation. 

Yeah, I know that such a stance might confound some who like to portray critics 
of Maharishi or some aspects of TM or the TMO on this forum as 
anti-meditation and neganauts and heretics in their attempts to demonize 
us, but it is nonetheless true. I, in all my heretic inglory, happen to believe 
that there are *many* benefits to meditation. 

I am joined in this company by a few other often-demonized
 voices on this forum, from Curtis to Sam Harris who (gasp) may not have any 
use for the notion of God or devotion to a path supposedly leading to some 
supposedly cool thing called enlightenment. But we all still meditate, and we 
all still think meditation has its place, and is valuable in many ways. 

Me, I don't believe that any particular *form* of meditation is The Best or 
superior in any way to another, but I think that most of them that allow the 
practitioner's mind to settle down a bit into silence are of value. That is an 
experience that many on this planet have rarely had, and I think it provides 
value when trying to suss out what life is about and where one fits into it. 
Silence is almost always preferable to noise and clammor...unless, of course, 
you're at a Rolling Stones concert, cuz you kinda went there *looking* for 
noise and clammor, n'est-ce pas?
 :-)

Meditation practices also provide some needed rest in our busy society, and I'm 
all for that. Heck, I'm even grateful for the periods of my life in which I 
practiced *long* meditations, with eyes closed for 8-12 hours a day. I must 
have logged *years* of such experience, and I think *they* had some value, too, 
although I would not recommend them to the average person on the street. 

If for no other reason, these periods of extended meditation enabled me to have 
many subjective experiences that many have associated with paranormal 
experiences and/or enlightenment. And such experiences were *neat*, while they 
were going on. I don't miss any of them (and in fact they often happen even 
these days, far from any long rounding course), but they gave me a 
perspective that many
 spiritual seekers don't have. 

I don't have to accept the dogma about enlightened states
 of mind as dogma. I have experienced it as experience. And this gives me a 
decided advantage over those who have only *heard* about these states, because 
they either have to accept them as dogma, or as a form of faith and hope. I've 
experienced them, and that gives me the freedom to regard them *differently* 
than I was taught to regard them. 

Witnessing, schmitnessing. Minor brain fart, not worth focusing on much. Having 
it present doesn't enhance life and make it better, just as not having it 
does not detract from life and make it worse. I can regard this experience as 
what it was (and occasionally still is) -- Just Another State Of Attention, no 
higher, more evolved, or better than any other. I can do the same thing 
with other experiences that the study of meditation has led me to. I've 
witnessed levitation and invisibility and can react to having done so
 with a Buckaroo Banzai-like Big deal...so
 what?! I have personally experienced

Re: [FairfieldLife] The transition from BC to the state that comes after it

2014-05-19 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 5/17/2014 9:27 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
At the ATR course at which I heard it, one male TM teacher -- 
obviously in a fit of renewed enthusiasm at having been presented a 
new vision of possibilities -- pragmatically but ignorantly asked, 
So Maharishi, if we're in BC but having a few...uh...erectile 
dysfunction issues, can we still achieve SLC by taking Viagra?


This sounds like it was probably at the sexual dysfunction seminar Barry 
attended rather than an ATR course.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

2014-05-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Who cares what a couple of ex-TM teachers think? You guys failed, so your 
opinions are worth basically, nothing. If you were enlightened, then possibly, 
but just because you worked for Maharishi 40 years ago, we're supposed to take 
you seriously? Not a chance, and quit trying to pull rank...

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by 
types

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Curtis, do you remember what guys you saw that proclaimed their enlightenment 
in those days?

C: The most famous were Robin and Andy Reimer. But there were others who were 
on the no admittance list at the College of Natural Law in DC. I remember their 
faces but not all their names although I wouldn't post them if I did. One was 
even a Minister which in the pre raja days was the hottest ticket. It was a 
weird position for me to be in to have to keep him out as a lowly sidha. Once I 
even had to physically chase him out in a weird human billiards angle game!

The finessing of experience groups was very interesting in retrospect. The TM 
model doesn't have a path for people to be recognized as enlightened. This was 
exacerbated by Maharishi's habit of exiling people who you would assume would 
have achieved it like Jerry Jarvis. I became pretty good friends with a few 
guys who were personally sent away to movement Siberia facilities after being 
skin boys or other top positions close to Maharishi. The Florida Capital became 
a place they would keep people in after the Vedic Atoms left. It gave you a 
very clear idea to keep your head down Fritzy Boy! Your position in the 
movement was at the whim of the master.

And the years of being a good little outcast never really took away the taint 
of being sent away. I even had Neil Patterson talk shit Jerry Jarvis when I 
invited him to lecture at the DC center. I had worked with Jerry pretty closely 
at MIU and really liked him. But Neil threatened me with losing  my center 
chairman position for inviting someone with what he called old thinking to 
speak to the group. The story of Jerry would make a fantastic Greek tragedy. 

A bit off topic of your question but it triggered that memory. Anyway there 
were more than a few who announced their whatever, and it never ended well.   

I can confirm what Curtis says here, from my earlier Regional Office and State 
Coordinator days. Other than conducting a Black Mass in the TM center, 
*nothing* was as likely to get you on Maharishi's Shit List and exiled forever 
from the movement than announcing your enlightenment. It was an instantaneous 
way to be dropped from all mailing lists, be barred from any courses, and be 
shunned by all concerned. 

As Curtis suggests, this is pretty odd behavior for a group that promises the 
fastest path to enlightenment. Several scholars who have specialized in the 
study of spiritual groups have proposed as one of their primary definitions of 
a cult the tendency to denigrate any student who claims to have achieved what 
only the leader is supposed to have achieved, and promote the idea that 
Nobody graduates. This is seen by many of them as *the* most defining 
characteristic of a controlling cult.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not Repsonsible

2014-05-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Barry Wright, there is something seriously wrong with your wiring, if you 
equate witnessing with a lack of responsibility. Obviously your witnessing 
experience was very, very limited. Otherwise you would see clearly, that the 
permanent state of witnessing, DOES NOT OCCUR until one has reached a point of 
spiritual maturity, to accept full responsibility for one's actions.  

 I accept your apology, in advance, for something you could not possibly know, 
but nonetheless, have spent a couple of pages, endlessly speculating about. :-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 There are many things that still surprise me about the things that long-term 
TM TBs believe and that I no longer believe, but I admit to having been 
somewhat taken aback yesterday at Lawson's seemingly unquestioning acceptance 
of what he was told about the nature of enlightenment. That is, that (according 
to MMY) once one is enlightened, a person cannot possibly do any wrong, because 
all of their actions are run by God, or the Laws Of Nature, or 
whatever/whomever they believe is pulling the strings. 

I personally consider this belief THE most negative and THE most destructive in 
all of the spiritual mythologies that have built up around the concept of 
enlightenment. 

And I say this *knowing* where the belief comes from. It comes from the 
subjective experience of a brain fart that makes one feel as if one is not the 
doer. THAT, plus the experience of having some dissociative distance from 
one's thoughts and actions that one has been taught to associate with 
witnessing have been the cause of most of the bad things that have taken 
place in the history of the pursuit of enlightenment. 

The fascinating thing from my point of view is that this particular brain fart 
can be created in a laboratory, through the use of medications, or by 
overloading the normal electrical impulses of the brain by stronger impulses, 
applied to certain areas of the brain. When this happens, the subject begins to 
feel as if they are not the doer, and that something ELSE is running 
things. All because of an induced brain fart. Enlightenment traditions that 
glorify this brain fart teach that this mysterious ELSE is God, or the 
workings of the Laws Of Nature, and thus anything the person in Brain Fart 
Consciousness finds themselves doing while in this not the doer state is 
the RIGHT thing, the GODLY thing, the PERFECT thing. 

I -- having experienced this brain fart myself many times -- call bullshit. 
Brain Fart Consciousness is Just Another State Of Attention. It is no better 
or higher or superior than any other. People just believe it is because 
they've been TAUGHT to believe that. 

If they had never heard any of the myths of the enlightenment traditions, and 
had just stumbled upon this brain fart themselves, they would probably consult 
a psychiatrist, who would diagnose their condition as dissociation. But they 
HAVE been taught that this witnessing brain fart is not only a form of 
Something good is happening, it's the BEST form of something good happening. 
It's an indicator -- in their brainwashed minds, that is -- of enlightenment. 

And why? Because, in my opinion, these people long for a state in which they 
can consider themselves Not Responsible for anything they do. 

The 60s comedy group The Firesign Theater used to do some great routines based 
on this concept. Park and Lock It -- Not Responsible. The whole idea is that 
the person selling something or doing something is Not Responsible for whatever 
happens to those buying it. People who believe in this Brain Fart Consciousness 
model of enlightenment seem to feel that they can do or say ANYTHING and *get 
away with it* because it's not really *them* doing it. It's God, or 
enlightenment, or the Laws Of Nature. THEY are off the hook. 

The thing is, I don't think either the material world OR the more sensible 
world of enlightenment work that way. The person in the lab who has had this 
not the doer brain fart induced may FEEL as if their actions are being 
performed by someone/something ELSE, but THEY'RE NOT. If a subject in such an 
experiment, completely convinced that they were not the doer, chose to do 
something like rob a bank or kill someone, they would be convicted in a court 
of law faster than shit through a goose. And rightly. What they feel about 
who or what is pulling the trigger is simply not in question. If it was 
their finger on the trigger, THEY are responsible. 

But in spiritual communities who have been conditioned to believe the SAME 
myths about what enlightenment means, people who claim to be in this 
witnessing Brain Fart Consciousness do and say stuff every day that the people 
around them *let them get away with*, because these toadies have been taught to 
believe the same myth. 

People who have claimed to be enlightened have committed crimes, have raped 
people, have lied, have smuggled money across international

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing

2014-05-19 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]


On 5/19/2014 3:49 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:


Curtis is an amateur philosopher, we knew that already.



We have not seen any evidence that MUM produces good philosophers, by 
Curtis's own account. Do they even teach Eastern systems of philosophy 
such as the Six Systems? Go figure.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

On 5/17/2014 8:29 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:



Yes, I *do* agree with him in believing that Maharishi was WAY
off in coming up with any meaningful interpretations of and
descriptions of consciousness and what it means.


If MMY was way off, then you'd have to disagree with Immanuel
Kant, Johann Gottlieb Fichte, Friedrich Wilhelm Joseph Schelling,
Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel and Arthur Schopenhauer and the
whole of German idealism. This would be a monumental task for
anyone, even someone with the intellect and training of Curtis. In
addition, you'd have to argue against the Adi Shankara's Advaita
Vedanta AND Vasubandhu's Vajrayana. And, that's without even
knowing what Curtis means to argue about when he says that
knowledge /isn't/ structured in consciousness. Go figure.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Another lost Maharishi teaching that was WRONG

2014-05-19 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 5/19/2014 4:33 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Like so many of his teachings that fell by the wayside, this theory 
was carefully excised from his books and tapes to make the older ones 
more consistent with his latest, greatest takes on the human 
condition. They were deemed Not Ready For Prime Time and censored.


This must be a note Barry wrote to himself - is there anyone on this 
list that attended the Squaw Valley lectures? Does anyone recall reading 
about this anywhere in SBAL, first edition - Squaw Valley was before the 
release of CBG and around the time Charlie Lutes took MMY to Disneyland. 
Go figure.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Heretical Heresy

2014-05-19 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

turq wrote: If TM cost less, and were not taught by a cult whose primary goal 
is to 
recruit new members of the cult to fill its coffers, I'd be able to 
suggest that people learn it.

So I don't agree that my question was nonsensical. In fact, I think turq's 
comment above indicates that he thinks the TM technique is valuable, except for 
the cost and certain qualities he thinks the organization has. A thinking which 
imo is not based on any recent experience he's had. Plus it is illogical. Many 
people begin and continue TM and have nothing to do with the org.

On Monday, May 19, 2014 6:40 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Heretical Heresy
 


  
turq, you said you would recommend TM with conditions. Why would you, if those 
conditions were met, recommend it?


This is a nonsensical question, Share. TM can IMO *never* be taught in a 
fashion that could meet my criteria for ethicality (at least if taught within 
the TMO), if for no other reason than it is taught by a group of people who 
have been indoctrinated for decades into unethical teaching. Their allegiance 
to the group, how it is perceived, and how prosperous it is renders them 
incapable of developing a higher allegiance to the welfare of the student.

Let's propose an example. I think that a somewhat good start ethical way of 
teaching TM would be to tell each prospective student what Maharishi himself 
said about the nature of the mantras, and that the ceremony that they *have* to 
participate in to learn is a bastardized form of an ancient Hindu ceremony in 
which both teacher and student bow down to Hindu gods and goddesses. They 
should also state up front that TM is viewed within the TMO itself as merely a 
starter technique, and that they will be pressured to learn the TM-Sidhis and 
buy all sorts of additional add-on products. 

Do you honestly believe that could ever happen? At
 least within the TMO itself?


On Monday, May 19, 2014 5:58 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
   
I have (so far) a low workload this week, so I'm going to take advantage of it 
in this cafe before moving on to the next science article, and write a little 
rap extolling some of the benefits I see in the practice of meditation. 

Yeah, I know that such a stance might confound some who like to portray critics 
of Maharishi or some aspects of TM or the TMO on this forum as 
anti-meditation and neganauts and heretics in their attempts to demonize 
us, but it is nonetheless true. I, in all my heretic inglory, happen to believe 
that there are *many* benefits to meditation. 

I am joined in this company by a few other often-demonized
 voices on this forum, from Curtis to Sam Harris who (gasp) may not have any 
use for the notion of God or devotion to a path supposedly leading to some 
supposedly cool thing called enlightenment. But we all still meditate, and we 
all still think meditation has its place, and is valuable in many ways. 

Me, I don't believe that any particular *form* of meditation is The Best or 
superior in any way to another, but I think that most of them that allow the 
practitioner's mind to settle down a bit into silence are of value. That is an 
experience that many on this planet have rarely had, and I think it provides 
value when trying to suss out what life is about and where one fits into it. 
Silence is almost always preferable to noise and clammor...unless, of course, 
you're at a Rolling Stones concert, cuz you kinda went there *looking* for 
noise and clammor, n'est-ce pas?
 :-)

Meditation practices also provide some needed rest in our busy society, and I'm 
all for that. Heck, I'm even grateful for the periods of my life in which I 
practiced *long* meditations, with eyes closed for 8-12 hours a day. I must 
have logged *years* of such experience, and I think *they* had some value, too, 
although I would not recommend them to the average person on the street. 

If for no other reason, these periods of extended meditation enabled me to have 
many subjective experiences that many have associated with paranormal 
experiences and/or enlightenment. And such experiences were *neat*, while they 
were going on. I don't miss any of them (and in fact they often happen even 
these days, far from any long rounding course), but they gave me a 
perspective that many
 spiritual seekers don't have. 

I don't have to accept the dogma about enlightened states
 of mind as dogma. I have experienced it as experience. And this gives me a 
decided advantage over those who have only *heard* about these states, because 
they either have to accept them as dogma, or as a form of faith and hope. I've 
experienced them, and that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another lost Maharishi teaching that was WRONG

2014-05-19 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 5/19/2014 5:47 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
 40 years after the Turq left the Movement he STILL obsess with 
 Maharishi. And he keep trying to find new faults, this time how 
 Maharishi protected the meditators from self-proclaimed enlightened 
 coming to TM-centres lecturing about all kinds of nonsense and 
 confusing the people.
 
Apparently Barry does not run, row, or do yoga poses, but we he does 
seem to sit around cafes a lot of the time, composing notes to himself. 
Apparently he stays up quite late in the evening. He sounds confused, 
more so than yesterday. Go figure.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Heretical Heresy

2014-05-19 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 5/19/2014 5:58 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

I have (so far) a low workload this week,


Barry is really working late this evening - it must be midnight over 
there by now. Go figure.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Another lost Maharishi teaching that was WRONG

2014-05-19 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 5/19/2014 5:57 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
He must have had some advanced esoteric techniques to keep his breath 
on a even keel when he was screwing all those gals in the early days.


You got to work /really early/ today! Go figure.


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[FairfieldLife] 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman

2014-05-19 Thread Dick Mays dickm...@lisco.com [FairfieldLife]

From: David Hooper davehooper...@gmail.com

5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness  becomes 
a part of Brahman

Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention 
is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it 
-- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only 
fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is 
in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is 
on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on 
this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only 
the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, 
and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also 
participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of 
Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade 
focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near 
environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther 
values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time 
comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole 
thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And 
that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its 
different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's 
Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity.
~Maharishi~
~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~
~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz 
-- 2011~
* * * * * * *
From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, 
Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part.

~Maharishi~
~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973
~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 
2011~

* * * * * * *

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Heretical Heresy

2014-05-19 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Of course your question wasn't nonsensical, Share. It was perfectly 
reasonable, a good question, in fact. Barry is apparently so eager to diss 
TMers that he misread it. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 turq wrote: If TM cost less, and were not taught by a cult whose primary goal 
is to recruit new members of the cult to fill its coffers, I'd be able to 
suggest that people learn it.
 

 So I don't agree that my question was nonsensical. In fact, I think turq's 
comment above indicates that he thinks the TM technique is valuable, except for 
the cost and certain qualities he thinks the organization has. A thinking which 
imo is not based on any recent experience he's had. Plus it is illogical. Many 
people begin and continue TM and have nothing to do with the org.

 On Monday, May 19, 2014 6:40 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 1:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Heretical Heresy
 
 
   turq, you said you would recommend TM with conditions. Why would you, if 
those conditions were met, recommend it?

 
This is a nonsensical question, Share. TM can IMO *never* be taught in a 
fashion that could meet my criteria for ethicality (at least if taught within 
the TMO), if for no other reason than it is taught by a group of people who 
have been indoctrinated for decades into unethical teaching. Their allegiance 
to the group, how it is perceived, and how prosperous it is renders them 
incapable of developing a higher allegiance to the welfare of the student.

Let's propose an example. I think that a somewhat good start ethical way of 
teaching TM would be to tell each prospective student what Maharishi himself 
said about the nature of the mantras, and that the ceremony that they *have* to 
participate in to learn is a bastardized form of an ancient Hindu ceremony in 
which both teacher and student bow down to Hindu gods and goddesses. They 
should also state up front that TM is viewed within the TMO itself as merely a 
starter technique, and that they will be pressured to learn the TM-Sidhis and 
buy all sorts of additional add-on products. 

Do you honestly believe that could ever happen? At least within the TMO itself?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing

2014-05-19 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Richard wrote: 'If MMY was way off, then you'd have to disagree with Immanuel 
Kant, Johann Gottlieb Fichte, Friedrich Wilhelm Joseph Schelling, Georg Wilhelm 
Friedrich Hegel and Arthur Schopenhauer and the whole of German idealism. This 
would be a monumental task for anyone, even someone with the intellect and 
training of Curtis. In addition, you'd have to argue against the Adi Shankara's 
Advaita Vedanta AND Vasubandhu's Vajrayana. And, that's without even knowing 
what Curtis means to argue about when he says that knowledge isn't structured 
in consciousness. Go figure.' Probably not a good idea to mix philosophers like 
this. Here is, for example, what Schopenhauer wrote concerning Hegel: 'Hegel, 
installed from above, by the powers that be, as the certified Great 
Philosopher, was a flat-headed, insipid, nauseating, illiterate charlatan who 
reached the pinnacle of audacity in scribbling together and dishing up the 
craziest mystifying nonsense.  This nonsense has been noisily proclaimed as 
immortal wisdom by mercenary followers and readily accepted as such by all 
fools, who thus joined into as perfect a chorus of admiration as had ever been 
heard before.  The extensive field of spiritual influence with which Hegel was 
furnished by those in power has enabled him to achieve the intellectual 
corruption of an whole generation.'

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moses and Consciousness

2014-05-19 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 Ah, that was Jacob that wrestled with an angel  and then was renamed *Israel*. 
At the time of Jacobs birth , he also wrestled with his brother, grabbing his 
heal, trying to be the first out of the womb so that he would inherit the birth 
right of the *first born*. He lost that battle but tricked his brother and 
father out of the blessing anyway and became the father of the twelve tribes of 
Israel. Jacob was also a very shrewed businessman and became very wealthy, 
cleverly negotiating deals with people he did business with.Unfortunately, many 
anti- Semites( Hitler, David Duke,  etc) use the story of Jacob to claim that 
Jews are tricky and will steal from the gentiles and are not to be trusted. In 
fact, Jacob was blessed with more awareness, greater intelligence and nature 
supported that quality. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Doesn't 
sound very nice but that is the force of evolution at work.
On Sunday, May 18, 2014 6:56 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
  


  
Mike,

You've got a point there.  I can think of a passage where I believe it was 
Abram who struggled with an unknown heavenly entity through the night and won.  
He asked, what is your name?

It was at this time, as I recall, he was renamed Abraham and was granted the 
destiny of having descendants as many as the stars in the sky.

There's also the story of Jacob's dream about a ladder to heaven.  The ladder 
could be interpreted as the various chakras in the human body, which signify 
the various states of consciousness, culminating in a heavenly state which can 
correspond to cosmic consciousness or brahman consciousness.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 mdixon.6569@... wrote :


The Bible is loaded with personal experiences of pure awareness, so said 
Maharishi. He had one group read the pslams at one point on our six month 
course. Personally, I had never read the Bible until a few years ago. When I 
did, it knocked my socks off! The pages were full of experiences I had been 
having all along for years in meditation. The Bible expresses many of these 
events as happening on the gross physical plain of existence when in fact many 
were inner experiences in awareness.
On Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:12 AM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


 
Mike,

That's a good point too.  So, one can say that this was the experience that 
Moses had in Mount Zion, in symbolic language.  And, the principles he cognized 
as necessary for the development of consciousness are the Ten Commandments that 
were etched in stone.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :


The burning bush was an experience, while absorbed in pure awareness. 
On Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:04 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :


He may have predated MMY by discussing consciousness as basis of all knowledge 
in the Bible passage:

I AM WHO AM

Popeye saw the wisdom of that too


I don't believe the Hebrews knew what he was trying to convey back then. But 
most people today don't know either.

The burning bush that he used as a writing symbolism could
be interpreted as the burnt offering to the Self or Yahweh, or the thoughts 
that are burnt by the mantra during meditation.

Or maybe the eternal flame of unity consciousness? 


What do you think?

I think you should stop making wild leaps in the dark and trying to find 
connections where there aren't any. Personally...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

2014-05-19 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I have to say Barry, when I hear you talk about your experiences in California 
as as Regional or State Coordinator, it doesn't jibe with my experience in the 
Midwest, as it pertains to keeping people off course etc. 

 You paint a very severe and petty picture which I do not recognize.
 

 P.S. As regards Andy Rymer, as I've reported here previously, during the time 
I saw him interact with Maharishi, which was around 1977, it was always a very 
affectionate interaction.  There was no competition going on.
 

 P.S.S. As regards this ostracizing of anyone who claims to have reached 
enlightenment, I suspect the protocols in the TM Movement were similar to most 
any student/teacher relationship in the eastern tradition.
 

 But it isn't surprising that you would try to paint this relationship in the 
worst possible way as it pertains to the TMO.  Let's face it, that is what 
constitutes about 80% of your participation here.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 
I can confirm what Curtis says here, from my earlier Regional Office and State 
Coordinator days. Other than conducting a Black Mass in the TM center, 
*nothing* was as likely to get you on Maharishi's Shit List and exiled forever 
from the movement than announcing your enlightenment. It was an instantaneous 
way to be dropped from all mailing lists, be barred from any courses, and be 
shunned by all concerned. 










As Curtis suggests, this is pretty odd behavior for a group that promises the 
fastest path to enlightenment. Several scholars who have specialized in the 
study of spiritual groups have proposed as one of their primary definitions of 
a cult the tendency to denigrate any student who claims to have achieved what 
only the leader is supposed to have achieved, and promote the idea that 
Nobody graduates. This is seen by many of them as *the* most defining 
characteristic of a controlling cult.

[FairfieldLife] In medicine, what's old tends to become New Age again...

2014-05-19 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Introducing the Maharishi™
Ayurveda™ Blow Smoke Up Your Ass™ technique:

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/origin-expression-blow-smoke-ass/

:-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing

2014-05-19 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 12:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Lawson, Curtis and others, do you think a FULLY developed human has an 
unconscious or subconscious? I think that such a person would be fully 
conscious of their entire inner world.

C: The term fully developed is not meaningful for me. It is in the same class 
and the concept of being saved for me.

The term is *intentionally* vague, so that the True Believer can fit any 
fantasy of What life will be like when I'm finally enlightened into it. 

Again, I reiterate my contention that those who seem to have the most fixed 
ideas of What enlightenment is on this forum are those who have never in 
their lives experienced it, only been told about it and fantasized about it.

 And your contention is, as usual, insulting and demonstrates your need to 
continually put others down. You act now like you claim MMY did - squelch those 
who either claim they experience aspects of enlightenment or, as in this case, 
those merely expressing ideas about it. You'd have made an exemplary tyrant, 
Baweee, thank God you will never be in any position of poser -er, I mean 
power.

[FairfieldLife] FFL Thread-jacking or Subject-jacking

2014-05-19 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Thread-jacking or Subject-jacking 
 yep, it is an incredibly rude obliviousness to others that people should 
hijack threads and continue to drive on without adjusting the subject line. 
Another symptom of bad upbringing and the decay of ethical virtue in the world. 
-Buck
 

 noozguru writes:

 
 You don't want  to be too rigid though.  Just suggest that as a courtesy don't 
be too lazy to start a new topic.  After all it is easy to do.  However, Buck, 
you sound as rigid as the TM teachers who drove the good people out of the 
movement.  These people made themselves self appointed gestapo.  Such behavior 
suggests that they were lifetimes away from enlightenment. Those who were 
already experiencing enlightenment paid them as little regard as they would a 
fly.
 


   Om The Desecration of the Subject Heading: It is a large discourtesy when 
some folks hijack a substantial thread into other directions without taking the 
time to 're-subject' the heading that we all come to find on the web page or in 
our mailboxes. This should be a serious FFL guideline and people should even be 
thrown off FFL for violating this. Three-strike the chronic violators. -Buck 
 Yes these hijackings are seriously bad form. -Buck
 
 
 
 
 noozguru writes:
 It's called thread hijacking or topic hijacking and considered bad 
netiquette and usually product of a net noob.  Turq even defended it once but 
he doesn't seem to do it anymore.  Apparently Yahoo is sending emails as 
restricted groups with the sender being just the group email so you can't 
tell from email who is responding to a thread.  FFL isn't a restricted group 
but can be read by anyone and posted to by members.
 
 I recently mentioned I canceled my spring teeth cleaning after I read most 
people really only need a cleaning once a year.  I try to keep my teeth up and 
some of the  dental suggestions are overkill for most people.  Dentistry has 
become very commercial.  Do I really need a whiting which is just a way to 
charge you more for the cleaning?
 
 Similarly most of the medical community is treating one group: those with 
metabolic syndrome.  Hence medicine is about high blood pressure, hyperthyroid, 
diabetes, heart disease.  I have low blood pressure which is the opposite 
problem.

   Ahem, 
 Re-title-ing, the subject line your contributions here. 
 You guys jumped the thread of a perfectly good subject line again to something 
other. 
  As a communal courtesy to others
  would you people please change the subject line when you hijack a thread.
 Change the subject line accordingly.  
 That would be helpful to others of the FFL community looking in. 
  Thanks in advance for your vigilance, -Buck
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Ann, I just assumed these graphics are produced by that sweaty stud muffin on 
the motorcycle (-:
 
 
 
 On Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:42 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 My God, Ann, where do you find these graphics?!
 
 
 
 Heh, maybe a better question is who creates these things for me to find?
 
 
 On Sunday, May 18, 2014 8:46 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 turq, good point and I agree that we're all the same on some level. But if I 
have a toothache for example, I'd rather consult with a good dentist rather 
than a good podiatrist. My bad?
 
 
 
 Perhaps not...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Sunday, May 18, 2014 6:53 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 .

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

2014-05-19 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

So you are disagreeing with Barry - does that also mean you are skeptical of 
the experiences Curtis relates on these same issues? 

 From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

I have to say Barry, when I hear you talk about your experiences in California 
as as Regional or State Coordinator, it doesn't jibe with my experience in the 
Midwest, as it pertains to keeping people off course etc.

You paint a very severe and petty picture which I do not recognize.

P.S. As regards Andy Rymer, as I've reported here previously, during the time I 
saw him interact with Maharishi, which was around 1977, it was always a very 
affectionate interaction.  There was no competition going on.

P.S.S. As regards this ostracizing of anyone who claims to have reached 
enlightenment, I suspect the protocols in the TM Movement were similar to most 
any student/teacher relationship in the eastern tradition.

But it isn't surprising that you would try to paint this relationship in the 
worst possible way as it pertains to the TMO.  Let's face it, that is what 
constitutes about 80% of your participation here.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

I can confirm what Curtis says here, from my earlier Regional Office and State 
Coordinator days. Other than conducting a Black Mass in the TM center, 
*nothing* was as likely to get you on Maharishi's Shit List and exiled forever 
from the movement than announcing your enlightenment. It was an instantaneous 
way to be dropped from all mailing lists, be barred from any courses,
and be shunned by all concerned. 

As Curtis suggests, this is pretty odd behavior for a group that promises the 
fastest path to enlightenment. Several scholars who have specialized in the 
study of spiritual groups have proposed as one of their primary definitions of 
a cult the tendency to denigrate any student who claims to have achieved what 
only the leader is supposed to have achieved, and promote the idea that 
Nobody graduates. This is seen by many of them as *the* most defining 
characteristic of a controlling cult.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another lost Maharishi teaching that was WRONG

2014-05-19 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Having picnicked peacefully with friends on a grassy lawn beside a canal 
yesterday and watched the folks participating in the Leiden Marathon run by, I 
found myself wondering what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- at least the one from 
Squaw Valley 1967 and for years afterwards, before any traces of a certain 
teaching were eradicated from tapes -- would have thought of them. 

Based on what he said on that course and several afterwards, I suspect he would 
have said that these people running by were committing a form of suicide. They 
were, after all increasing their breath rate. And, as he explained in so many 
of those lectures, according to the Hindu superstitions he believed we are all 
born with a predetermined, finite number of breaths. So anything that increases 
the breath rate is BAD FOR YOU. It'll shorten your life and make you DIE. 
Sooner than your predetermined time, although I never quite understood how he 
managed to work the free will that allowed people to enjoy running or 
exercising into his notions of predeterminism. :-)

Like so many of his teachings that fell by the wayside, this theory was 
carefully excised from his books and tapes to make the older ones more 
consistent with his latest, greatest takes on the human condition. They were 
deemed Not Ready For Prime Time and censored. 

This all strikes me as funny because I'm in the process of writing up some 
research from the University of Basel that indicates that endurance sports not 
only change the condition and fitness of muscles but also simultaneously 
improve the neuronal connections to the muscle fibers based on a muscle-induced 
feedback. Not only does running make you fitter and enable you to live longer 
(that has been proven so often as to no longer be in question), it improves the 
functioning of your nervous system and your brain's ability to interact with 
your muscles and respond to outside stimuli in a more accurate manner. 

But you'll never find the Maharishi teaching that disputes this in any TMO 
publication, because they've all been censored to remove any traces of his 
earlier superstition-based teaching. 

Yet another example of how the enlightened can be shown to never have been 
wrong. Just practice revisionist history, remove all traces of the earlier 
idiotic idea, and voila! -- the teacher is made to look perfect, and all traces 
of the wrong ideas are gone.  
 

 I'd love to see a picture of you in  your running outfit Bawee. My guess is 
you've never done an hour's worth of real athletic activity in your life, never 
broken a sweat in the pursuit of physical fitness. I can tell by looking at you 
and listening to you. You were the last guy picked for that elementary school 
recess game of Rover.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

2014-05-19 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by 
types

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Curtis, do you remember what guys you saw that proclaimed their enlightenment 
in those days?

C: The most famous were Robin and Andy Reimer. But there were others who were 
on the no admittance list at the College of Natural Law in DC. I remember their 
faces but not all their names although I wouldn't post them if I did. One was 
even a Minister which in the pre raja days was the hottest ticket. It was a 
weird position for me to be in to have to keep him out as a lowly sidha. Once I 
even had to physically chase him out in a weird human billiards angle game!

The finessing of experience groups was very interesting in retrospect. The TM 
model doesn't have a path for people to be recognized as enlightened. This was 
exacerbated by Maharishi's habit of exiling people who you would assume would 
have achieved it like Jerry Jarvis. I became pretty good friends with a few 
guys who were personally sent away to movement Siberia facilities after being 
skin boys or other top positions close to Maharishi. The Florida Capital became 
a place they would keep people in after the Vedic Atoms left. It gave you a 
very clear idea to keep your head down Fritzy Boy! Your position in the 
movement was at the whim of the master.

And the years of being a good little outcast never really took away the taint 
of being sent away. I even had Neil Patterson talk shit Jerry Jarvis when I 
invited him to lecture at the DC center. I had worked with Jerry pretty closely 
at MIU and really liked him. But Neil threatened me with losing  my center 
chairman position for inviting someone with what he called old thinking to 
speak to the group. The story of Jerry would make a fantastic Greek tragedy. 

A bit off topic of your question but it triggered that memory. Anyway there 
were more than a few who announced their whatever, and it never ended well.   

I can confirm what Curtis says here, from my earlier Regional Office and State 
Coordinator days. Other than conducting a Black Mass in the TM center, 
*nothing* was as likely to get you on Maharishi's Shit List and exiled forever 
from the movement than announcing your enlightenment. It was an instantaneous 
way to be dropped from all mailing lists, be barred from any courses, and be 
shunned by all concerned. 

As Curtis suggests, this is pretty odd behavior for a group that promises the 
fastest path to enlightenment. Several scholars who have specialized in the 
study of spiritual groups have proposed as one of their primary definitions of 
a cult the tendency to denigrate any student who claims to have achieved what 
only the leader is supposed to have achieved, and promote the idea that 
Nobody graduates. This is seen by many of them as *the* most defining 
characteristic of a controlling cult.

You'd think other enlightened would welcome another to their fold. And you 
would think if one were enlightened a teacher who was truly in that state would 
not only recognize it but know it to be true. We also know there are plenty of 
suggestible and fringe crazies who believe themselves to not only be 
illuminated in mind and spirit but to also be ready to step in as the next 
Messiah. So, weeding out the goofy from the real could be an arduous task if 
you are dealing with thousands within a Movement. On the other hand, those 
teachers on a First Class Ego Trip would be the first and the most ruthless in 
cutting down to size others who might be in danger of taking a place beside 
them on some pedestal so that wouldn't be okay. All in all a tricky business. 
Just keep the seekers seeking and make sure they don't get too big for their 
britches. When you go and disown a former student who thinks they might be on 
to something, however, you run the risk of those pesky upstarts like Robin 
taking the reins in their own hand and starting their own little group and then 
before you know it helicopters are swooping low over your head, lawsuits are 
blooming and there is general chaos and a tearing out of hair.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

2014-05-19 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I know nothing about Rymer, but what you describe of his interactions with 
Maharishi was also true of Robin. There was no conflict between Robin and 
Maharishi until he showed up with his group (of mostly TM teachers) in 
Fairfield--seven years or so after he had first claimed enlightenment--and 
tried to portray himself as the new leader of the TMO.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 I have to say Barry, when I hear you talk about your experiences in California 
as as Regional or State Coordinator, it doesn't jibe with my experience in the 
Midwest, as it pertains to keeping people off course etc. 

 You paint a very severe and petty picture which I do not recognize.
 

 P.S. As regards Andy Rymer, as I've reported here previously, during the time 
I saw him interact with Maharishi, which was around 1977, it was always a very 
affectionate interaction.  There was no competition going on.
 

 P.S.S. As regards this ostracizing of anyone who claims to have reached 
enlightenment, I suspect the protocols in the TM Movement were similar to most 
any student/teacher relationship in the eastern tradition.
 

 But it isn't surprising that you would try to paint this relationship in the 
worst possible way as it pertains to the TMO.  Let's face it, that is what 
constitutes about 80% of your participation here.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 
I can confirm what Curtis says here, from my earlier Regional Office and State 
Coordinator days. Other than conducting a Black Mass in the TM center, 
*nothing* was as likely to get you on Maharishi's Shit List and exiled forever 
from the movement than announcing your enlightenment. It was an instantaneous 
way to be dropped from all mailing lists, be barred from any courses, and be 
shunned by all concerned. 










As Curtis suggests, this is pretty odd behavior for a group that promises the 
fastest path to enlightenment. Several scholars who have specialized in the 
study of spiritual groups have proposed as one of their primary definitions of 
a cult the tendency to denigrate any student who claims to have achieved what 
only the leader is supposed to have achieved, and promote the idea that 
Nobody graduates. This is seen by many of them as *the* most defining 
characteristic of a controlling cult.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not Repsonsible

2014-05-19 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Barry Wright, there is something seriously wrong with your wiring, if you 
equate witnessing with a lack of responsibility. Obviously your witnessing 
experience was very, very limited. Otherwise you would see clearly, that the 
permanent state of witnessing, DOES NOT OCCUR until one has reached a point of 
spiritual maturity, to accept full responsibility for one's actions.  

 I accept your apology, in advance, for something you could not possibly know, 
but nonetheless, have spent a couple of pages, endlessly speculating about. :-)
 

 Unfortunately I fear I blew your cover with Bawee when I told him you were 
trying to make him squirm the other day. I thought he already realized that 
but, apparently not. Now that he knows this however, he is refusing to speak, 
feeling a tad humiliated and depressed that you were yanking his chain. Perhaps 
you can make him bite on another subject. I can think of lots that could get 
his gears grinding. (I'm going to snip this long-winded equivalent of a brain 
fart below, it is just so much more hot air emanating from Baweee's bwain.)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing

2014-05-19 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Interestingly, neither of you addressed my point about Xeno's paragraph, much 
less refuted it. 

 Xeno is obviously not a TM-TB. When he describes his own experience, he's 
clearly not rehashing Maharishi's teaching. But the paragraph I quoted from 
his post (below) is an instance of Knowledge is different in different states 
of consciousness, the corollary to Knowledge is structured in consciousness.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 5/17/2014 8:11 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

 The first paragraph here is a good example of what Maharishi meant by 
Knowledge is structured in consciousness.
 
 If a person is not conscious, there would for him be no knowledge of any kind, 
philosophical, religious, or scientific. This is not a matter of debate because 
everyone already knows it to be a fact of common experience.
 C: Agreed. This is the obvious part that makes the statement a circular 
definition like awareness is being aware. 

R:  If consciousness was just an epiphenomenon of the brain and the nervous 
system it would not be a fundamental of nature - it would just be an effect, 
not a cause.

C: Yes and we have a lot of evidence for our awareness being affected by 
chemicals, so it is not primary to the brain's function.

R:  But, in the ancient Indian view, everything that exists - matter and 
material - arise from the field of consciousness. The brain is a product of 
consciousness, not vice-versa.

C: This is where Maharishi's teaching gets squirrelly. He basically claims that 
both are true depending on his audience he emphasizes one or the other. To 
impress scientists he sounds like a materialist, to sound more woo woo for his 
followers he emphasizes consciousness. In symposiums he would often get caught 
in the middle of his attempt to run both views with embarrassing results.  
 
 R:This duality, which consists of subject and object, is a mere vibration of 
consciousness. Pure consciousness is ultimately objectless; hence, it is 
declared to be eternally without relations. -  Mandukya Karika IV.72

C: I don't find that conceptually meaningful although it is nice poetry. 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote :
 
 While alive, everybody has experience, consciousness. So 'something' is making 
the content of experience visible. There is always a 'witness'. The mind's 
interpretation of what this so-called witness is changes with practice 
(whichever one or ones are being used). The 24/7 kind of inner witnessing is 
one of those stages of change that many experience. My experience is that it 
basically evaporated, almost like it became a mist and soaked into the world of 
outer experience as if the outer world was a sponge and just vanished, that is, 
the so-called witness becomes identical with all other experience, with 
thought, objects, and action. So one cannot say 'I' am witnessing. At this 
point witnessing has no centre, no location, it is no longer like a receiver of 
experience, like an homunculus, like a little man in your head watching stuff. 
Descriptions and models of consciousness completely break down at this point, 
they are of no use because it is not possible to formulate a model that 
includes everything; the only thing that makes it intelligible in some way is 
the experience itself.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not Repsonsible

2014-05-19 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Wrong by what criteria? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 There are many things that still surprise me about the things that long-term 
TM TBs believe and that I no longer believe, but I admit to having been 
somewhat taken aback yesterday at Lawson's seemingly unquestioning acceptance 
of what he was told about the nature of enlightenment. That is, that (according 
to MMY) once one is enlightened, a person cannot possibly do any wrong, because 
all of their actions are run by God, or the Laws Of Nature, or 
whatever/whomever they believe is pulling the strings.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Thread-jacking or Subject-jacking

2014-05-19 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 Thread-jacking or Subject-jacking 
 yep, it is an incredibly rude obliviousness to others that people should 
hijack threads and continue to drive on without adjusting the subject line. 
Another symptom of bad upbringing and the decay of ethical virtue in the world. 
-Buck
 

 Think of it as thread evolution.
 

 noozguru writes:

 
 You don't want  to be too rigid though.  Just suggest that as a courtesy don't 
be too lazy to start a new topic.  After all it is easy to do.  However, Buck, 
you sound as rigid as the TM teachers who drove the good people out of the 
movement.  These people made themselves self appointed gestapo.  Such behavior 
suggests that they were lifetimes away from enlightenment. Those who were 
already experiencing enlightenment paid them as little regard as they would a 
fly.
 


   Om The Desecration of the Subject Heading: It is a large discourtesy when 
some folks hijack a substantial thread into other directions without taking the 
time to 're-subject' the heading that we all come to find on the web page or in 
our mailboxes. This should be a serious FFL guideline and people should even be 
thrown off FFL for violating this. Three-strike the chronic violators. -Buck 
 Yes these hijackings are seriously bad form. -Buck
 
 
 
 
 noozguru writes:
 It's called thread hijacking or topic hijacking and considered bad 
netiquette and usually product of a net noob.  Turq even defended it once but 
he doesn't seem to do it anymore.  Apparently Yahoo is sending emails as 
restricted groups with the sender being just the group email so you can't 
tell from email who is responding to a thread.  FFL isn't a restricted group 
but can be read by anyone and posted to by members.
 
 I recently mentioned I canceled my spring teeth cleaning after I read most 
people really only need a cleaning once a year.  I try to keep my teeth up and 
some of the  dental suggestions are overkill for most people.  Dentistry has 
become very commercial.  Do I really need a whiting which is just a way to 
charge you more for the cleaning?
 
 Similarly most of the medical community is treating one group: those with 
metabolic syndrome.  Hence medicine is about high blood pressure, hyperthyroid, 
diabetes, heart disease.  I have low blood pressure which is the opposite 
problem.

   Ahem, 
 Re-title-ing, the subject line your contributions here. 
 You guys jumped the thread of a perfectly good subject line again to something 
other. 
  As a communal courtesy to others
  would you people please change the subject line when you hijack a thread.
 Change the subject line accordingly.  
 That would be helpful to others of the FFL community looking in. 
  Thanks in advance for your vigilance, -Buck
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Ann, I just assumed these graphics are produced by that sweaty stud muffin on 
the motorcycle (-:
 
 
 
 On Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:42 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 My God, Ann, where do you find these graphics?!
 
 
 
 Heh, maybe a better question is who creates these things for me to find?
 
 
 On Sunday, May 18, 2014 8:46 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 turq, good point and I agree that we're all the same on some level. But if I 
have a toothache for example, I'd rather consult with a good dentist rather 
than a good podiatrist. My bad?
 
 
 
 Perhaps not...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Sunday, May 18, 2014 6:53 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 .

[FairfieldLife] Wired.com debunks lucid dreaming study

2014-05-19 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Psychologists Give People Control of Their Dreams Using Brain Stimulation. 
Really? | Science Blogs | WIRED 
http://www.wired.com/2014/05/psychologists-give-people-control-of-their-dreams-using-brain-stimulation-really/?cid=social_20140512_23745144

 
 
 
http://www.wired.com/2014/05/psychologists-give-people-control-of-their-dreams-using-brain-stimulation-really/?cid=social_20140512_23745144
 
 
 Psychologists Give People Control of Their Dreams U... 
http://www.wired.com/2014/05/psychologists-give-people-control-of-their-dreams-using-brain-stimulation-really/?cid=social_20140512_23745144
 In a study out this week, a team of psychologists led by Ursula Voss at the 
J.W. Goethe University in Frankfurt, claim to have given non lucid-dreamers the 
power of...
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Heretical Heresy

2014-05-19 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 turq wrote: If TM cost less, and were not taught by a cult whose primary goal 
is to recruit new members of the cult to fill its coffers, I'd be able to 
suggest that people learn it.
 

 So I don't agree that my question was nonsensical. In fact, I think turq's 
comment above indicates that he thinks the TM technique is valuable, except for 
the cost and certain qualities he thinks the organization has. A thinking which 
imo is not based on any recent experience he's had. Plus it is illogical. Many 
people begin and continue TM and have nothing to do with the org.

 

 Yeehaw, do I sense a little spiciness in Share this morning? Is the soma 
flowing? Have you gotten tired of Bawee deriding you and calling you dumb and 
nonsensical? Strengthen that backbone with yoga, pull up those bootstraps with 
gusto and roll up the proverbial sleeves.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

2014-05-19 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 I know nothing about Rymer, but what you describe of his interactions with 
Maharishi was also true of Robin. There was no conflict between Robin and 
Maharishi until he showed up with his group (of mostly TM teachers) in 
Fairfield--seven years or so after he had first claimed enlightenment--and 
tried to portray himself as the new leader of the TMO.
 

 Exactly. And Robin was tremendously devoted to Maharishi for a long time after 
his enlightenment. There had been nothing in Robin's experience that I know 
of, that indicated to him that Maharishi was either displeased or angry with 
him. (Not that I think that would have stopped him doing what he felt he had to 
do from day to day.)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 I have to say Barry, when I hear you talk about your experiences in California 
as as Regional or State Coordinator, it doesn't jibe with my experience in the 
Midwest, as it pertains to keeping people off course etc. 

 You paint a very severe and petty picture which I do not recognize.
 

 P.S. As regards Andy Rymer, as I've reported here previously, during the time 
I saw him interact with Maharishi, which was around 1977, it was always a very 
affectionate interaction.  There was no competition going on.
 

 P.S.S. As regards this ostracizing of anyone who claims to have reached 
enlightenment, I suspect the protocols in the TM Movement were similar to most 
any student/teacher relationship in the eastern tradition.
 

 But it isn't surprising that you would try to paint this relationship in the 
worst possible way as it pertains to the TMO.  Let's face it, that is what 
constitutes about 80% of your participation here.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 
I can confirm what Curtis says here, from my earlier Regional Office and State 
Coordinator days. Other than conducting a Black Mass in the TM center, 
*nothing* was as likely to get you on Maharishi's Shit List and exiled forever 
from the movement than announcing your enlightenment. It was an instantaneous 
way to be dropped from all mailing lists, be barred from any courses, and be 
shunned by all concerned. 










As Curtis suggests, this is pretty odd behavior for a group that promises the 
fastest path to enlightenment. Several scholars who have specialized in the 
study of spiritual groups have proposed as one of their primary definitions of 
a cult the tendency to denigrate any student who claims to have achieved what 
only the leader is supposed to have achieved, and promote the idea that 
Nobody graduates. This is seen by many of them as *the* most defining 
characteristic of a controlling cult.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing

2014-05-19 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Ann, 

 There is a certain etiquette regarding 'enlightenment'. I think it is OK to 
attempt to describe one's own experiences, but it is a mine field to try to 
characterise someone else's because there is the always present probability of 
misunderstanding the language they are using to describe something that cannot 
really be described except inadequately by metaphor.
 

 One problem that happens when people 'wake up' is for a while it like being 
drunk, and there is the ever present chance (which happens in most cases) the 
ego co-ops the experience to some extent. Then one goes through a period of 
pontificating on what one knows and feeling superior to the peons 'who 
obviously don't know what enlightenment is'. In Zen this is called the 'stink 
of enlightenment', and it can last anywhere from 5 to 15 years or so. 
 

 This kind of behaviour also results from spectacular mystical experiences, 
where one's knowledge of what is happening is even less. No one seems to escape 
this, and being an ass hole can last well into 'Brahman consciousness' (this 
label is really the only real 'state' of consciousness, and everybody has it to 
the same degree, just not the same degree of understanding). So if one is going 
to describe experiences, tell one's own tale and whatever flack one gets from 
doing that will come or not come. 
 

 But using that experience to pigeon hole some one else's as beneath your own 
appraisal of your station is a trap, because it sets you up as if you are 
others' lord and master', and that may not be the case at all. That there are 
so many brawls here indicates that the tacit agreement that one is learning 
from someone else here simply is not the case here on FFL.
 

 I have fallen into this trap many times. Others here seem to have fallen in as 
well, but were I to get specific, once again I will be trapped as well. You can 
discuss this with someone if the trust is mutual, but no good results comes of 
jousting egos.
 

 I do not think Barry has escaped the trap, but he does seem to clearly 
recognise that it exists, and that is a positive step, is the essential step, 
to know that this is happening, and if he gives flack to others for slipping up 
this way, that is their due. Ideally we try to recognise it in ourselves first. 
 

 I have never heard this discussed in the TM movement. But I only have a 
limited knowledge of what TM teachers might have experienced on long courses 
with Maharishi. I was never on long TM rounding courses, at most just one week.
 

 On the other hand if someone is acting like a jerk, without mentioning 
enlightenment, one can launch a personal attack, although as we see here, after 
years passing, that that does no good either.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 12:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Lawson, Curtis and others, do you think a FULLY developed human has an 
unconscious or subconscious? I think that such a person would be fully 
conscious of their entire inner world.

C: The term fully developed is not meaningful for me. It is in the same class 
and the concept of being saved for me.

The term is *intentionally* vague, so that the True Believer can fit any 
fantasy of What life will be like when I'm finally enlightened into it. 

Again, I reiterate my contention that those who seem to have the most fixed 
ideas of What enlightenment is on this forum are those who have never in 
their lives experienced it, only been told about it and fantasized about it.
 

 And your contention is, as usual, insulting and demonstrates your need to 
continually put others down. You act now like you claim MMY did - squelch those 
who either claim they experience aspects of enlightenment or, as in this case, 
those merely expressing ideas about it. You'd have made an exemplary tyrant, 
Baweee, thank God you will never be in any position of poser -er, I mean 
power.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing

2014-05-19 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]



From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comTo: 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 



  
Ann,

There is a certain etiquette regarding 'enlightenment'. I think it is OK to 
attempt to describe one's own experiences, but it is a mine field to try to 
characterise someone else's because there is the always present probability of 
misunderstanding the language they are using to describe something that cannot 
really be described except inadequately by metaphor.

One problem that happens when people 'wake up' is for a while it like being 
drunk, and there is the ever present chance (which happens in most cases) the 
ego co-ops the experience to some extent. Then one goes through a period of 
pontificating on what one knows and feeling superior to the peons 'who 
obviously don't know what enlightenment is'. In Zen this is called the 'stink 
of enlightenment', and it can last anywhere from 5 to 15 years or so. 

This kind of behaviour also results from spectacular mystical experiences, 
where one's knowledge of what is happening is even less. No one seems to escape 
this, and being an ass hole can last well into 'Brahman consciousness' (this 
label is really the only real 'state' of consciousness, and everybody has it to 
the same degree, just not the same degree of understanding). So if one is going 
to describe experiences, tell one's own tale and whatever flack one gets from 
doing that will come or not come. 

But using that experience to pigeon hole some one else's as beneath your own 
appraisal of your station is a trap, because it sets you up as if you are 
others' lord and master', and that may not be the case at all. That there are 
so many brawls here indicates that the tacit agreement that one is learning 
from someone else here simply is not the case here on FFL.

I have fallen into this trap many times. Others here seem to have fallen in as 
well, but were I to get specific, once again I will be trapped as well. You can 
discuss this with someone if the trust is mutual, but no good results comes of 
jousting egos.

I do not think Barry has escaped the trap, but he does seem to clearly 
recognise that it exists, and that is a positive step, is the essential step, 
to know that this is happening, and if he gives flack to others for slipping up 
this way, that is their due. Ideally we try to recognise it in ourselves first. 

Indeed. Part of my point in making the kinds of posts I make is to draw 
attention to the phenomenon you bring up, and the knee-jerk *reactivity* it 
engenders in those who are unaware that it exists, even though they perfectly 
represent it. 

I have never heard this discussed in the TM movement. But I only have a limited 
knowledge of what TM teachers might have experienced on long courses with 
Maharishi. I was never on long TM rounding courses, at most just one week.

On the other hand if someone is acting like a jerk, without mentioning 
enlightenment, one can launch a personal attack, although as we see here, after 
years passing, that that does no good either.


Here's the FFL dynamic, as I see it. I and a few others labeled as critics make 
a few statements challenging the sense of elitism and entitlement and 
specialness that TMers have been taught to feel about themselves. They react 
*not* to the actual points we raise, but by attacking us personally, and trying 
to get us. And by trying to encourage others to attack us, too. We challenge 
*ideas*, and they try to attack *us*. 

I am merely presenting alternative points of view on a number of subjects 
relative to the world of meditation, self discovery, and pursuit of that crazy 
thing some call enlightenment. They are in fact often my points of view, 
although they are not always my *only* points of view on the subjects. I feel I 
have *earned* these points of view on the basis of long experience with TM, the 
TMO, with other spiritual traditions, and as the result of a lifetime's worth 
of questioning pretty much *everything* and attempting to see it in new and 
interesting ways. 

I contend that trying to shoot the messenger rather than dealing with the 
message itself is a pretty puny and lazy-ass way of presenting oneself as 
spiritual. If that's the only intellectual tool these TMers have in their 
arsenal after all these decades of practice, it really doesn't say much about 
the value of the TM technique and philosophy, does it? 

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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing



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Lawson, Curtis and others, do you think a FULLY developed human has an 
unconscious or subconscious? I think that such a person would be fully 
conscious of their

Re: [FairfieldLife] 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman

2014-05-19 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Dick, thanks so much for posting this. I now receive these directly but it's 
fun to see it on FFL too!

On Monday, May 19, 2014 7:15 AM, Dick Mays dickm...@lisco.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
From: David Hooper davehooper...@gmail.com

5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness  becomes 
a part of Brahman

Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of 
attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- 
the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the 
subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole 
paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus 
is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the 
third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there 
are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the 
first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and 
when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also 
participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little 
more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and 
then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start 
to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate 
the farther values of the environment in terms of the 
Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic 
universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely 
cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last 
[furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different 
characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity 
Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity.
~Maharishi~
~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~
~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1(p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz 
-- 2011~
* * * * * * *
From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, 
Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part.

~Maharishi~
~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973
~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1(p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 
2011~

* * * * * * *

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another lost Maharishi teaching that was WRONG

The utter failure of his hero the D.Lama to be received by ANY European 
government the last couple of weeks must really have gotten to poor Turq, so 
far two frantic anti-Maharishi posts today must be a new record low even for 
him.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 5/19/2014 5:47 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
  40 years after the Turq left the Movement he STILL obsess with 
  Maharishi. And he keep trying to find new faults, this time how 
  Maharishi protected the meditators from self-proclaimed enlightened 
  coming to TM-centres lecturing about all kinds of nonsense and 
  confusing the people.
 
 Apparently Barry does not run, row, or do yoga poses, but we he does 
 seem to sit around cafes a lot of the time, composing notes to himself. 
 Apparently he stays up quite late in the evening. He sounds confused, 
 more so than yesterday. Go figure.
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another lost Maharishi teaching that was WRONG

2014-05-19 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Nevertheless there finally is a growing understanding that Maharishi was right: 
the D. Lama is only a politician, and a failed one too who has been able to do 
nada for Tibet. Most people, at least over here seem to be fed up with that 
Lama, threats of economical sanctions from China or not.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Those heads of state are snubbing the DL because they don't want to piss off 
China. I researched the lineage of the DL and found out he does not have one, 
as so many Lamas were substituted over the years, for political purposes, there 
is no clear transmission of *anything* throughout the centuries, except this 
barren title. Basically the whole DL thing started as a way to mollify Genghis 
Khan. The entire tradition is BS, adopted by some followers in the West, out 
of sheer desperation, and romantic notions.  

 So it should be no surprise to see who takes the DL fantasy seriously on this 
forum...show of hands?? No? OK, how about those who have witnessed activity for 
two weeks, solid? h?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 40 years after the Turq left the Movement he STILL obsess with Maharishi. And 
he keep trying to find new faults, this time how Maharishi protected the 
meditators from self-proclaimed enlightened coming to TM-centres lecturing 
about all kinds of nonsense and confusing the people.
 

 It seems Maharishi made such an impression on his poor soul that the Turq is 
unable to move on. A remarkable non-progress-report on the efficiency of 
Buddhist meditation. He is simply not able to move on due to the lack of 
progress in a sadhana originating from stale and decadent practices.
 

 Or perhaps his anger is towards life in general and the lack of support for 
his hero the D.Lama. Whereas the TMO is experiencing increasing success these 
days the Lama-fellow experiences the opposite, much to the consternation of the 
poor Turq. The last few weeks the Lama has been travelling around Europe and 
not one, not a single head of state have wanted to meet him. The Lama himself 
claims it doesn't matter but his advisers and press officers are fuming. 
European politicians see what Lama is unable to acknowledge: since his escape 
to India seeking refuge amongst the Hindus he has accomplished nothing for 
Tibet. 0, nada. He is a joke and everyone knows it except himself, much like 
his followers here really.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


 Having picnicked peacefully with friends on a grassy lawn beside a canal 
yesterday and watched the folks participating in the Leiden Marathon run by, I 
found myself wondering what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- at least the one from 
Squaw Valley 1967 and for years afterwards, before any traces of a certain 
teaching were eradicated from tapes -- would have thought of them. 

Based on what he said on that course and several afterwards, I suspect he would 
have said that these people running by were committing a form of suicide. They 
were, after all increasing their breath rate. And, as he explained in so many 
of those lectures, according to the Hindu superstitions he believed we are all 
born with a predetermined, finite number of breaths. So anything that increases 
the breath rate is BAD FOR YOU. It'll shorten your life and make you DIE. 
Sooner than your predetermined time, although I never quite understood how he 
managed to work the free will that allowed people to enjoy running or 
exercising into his notions of predeterminism. :-)

Like so many of his teachings that fell by the wayside, this theory was 
carefully excised from his books and tapes to make the older ones more 
consistent with his latest, greatest takes on the human condition. They were 
deemed Not Ready For Prime Time and censored. 

This all strikes me as funny because I'm in the process of writing up some 
research from the University of Basel that indicates that endurance sports not 
only change the condition and fitness of muscles but also simultaneously 
improve the neuronal connections to the muscle fibers based on a muscle-induced 
feedback. Not only does running make you fitter and enable you to live longer 
(that has been proven so often as to no longer be in question), it improves the 
functioning of your nervous system and your brain's ability to interact with 
your muscles and respond to outside stimuli in a more accurate manner. 

But you'll never find the Maharishi teaching that disputes this in any TMO 
publication, because they've all been censored to remove any traces of his 
earlier superstition-based teaching. 

Yet another example of how the enlightened can be shown to never have been 
wrong. Just practice revisionist history, remove all traces of the earlier 
idiotic idea, and voila! -- the teacher is made to look perfect, and all traces 
of the wrong ideas are gone.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing

I notice that sometimes when I'm feeling really happy, that can slip over into 
smugness. But if I think of someone or something for which I feel grateful, the 
smugness dissolves. So far it's been impossible to feel grateful and smug at 
the same time. I'm grateful for that (-:

On Monday, May 19, 2014 9:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  


From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comTo: 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 



  
Ann,

There is a certain etiquette regarding 'enlightenment'. I think it is OK to 
attempt to describe one's own experiences, but it is a mine field to try to 
characterise someone else's because there is the always present probability of 
misunderstanding the language they are using to describe something that cannot 
really be described except inadequately by metaphor.

One problem that happens when people 'wake up' is for a while it like being 
drunk, and there is the ever present chance (which happens in most cases) the 
ego co-ops the experience to some extent. Then one goes through a period of 
pontificating on what one knows and feeling superior to the peons 'who 
obviously don't know what enlightenment is'. In Zen this is called the 'stink 
of enlightenment', and it can last anywhere from 5 to 15 years or so. 

This kind of behaviour also results from spectacular mystical experiences, 
where one's knowledge of what is happening is even less. No one seems to escape 
this, and being an ass hole can last well into 'Brahman consciousness' (this 
label is really the only real 'state' of consciousness, and everybody has it to 
the same degree, just not the same degree of understanding). So if one is going 
to describe experiences, tell one's own tale and whatever flack one gets from 
doing that will come or not come. 

But using that experience to pigeon hole some one else's as beneath your own 
appraisal of your station is a trap, because it sets you up as if you are 
others' lord and master', and that may not be the case at all. That there are 
so many brawls here indicates that the tacit agreement that one is learning 
from someone else here simply is not the case here on FFL.

I have fallen into this trap many times. Others here seem to have fallen in as 
well, but were I to get specific, once again I will be trapped as well. You can 
discuss this with someone if the trust is mutual, but no good results comes of 
jousting egos.

I do not think Barry has escaped the trap, but he does seem to clearly 
recognise that it exists, and that is a positive step, is the essential step, 
to know that this is happening, and if he gives flack to others for slipping up 
this way, that is their due. Ideally we try to recognise it in ourselves first. 

Indeed. Part of my point in making the kinds of posts I make is to draw 
attention to the phenomenon you bring up, and the knee-jerk *reactivity* it 
engenders in those who are unaware that it exists, even though they perfectly 
represent it. 

I have never heard this discussed in the TM movement. But I only have a limited 
knowledge of what TM teachers might have experienced on long courses with 
Maharishi. I was never on long TM rounding courses, at most just one week.

On the other hand if someone is acting like a jerk, without mentioning 
enlightenment, one can launch a personal attack, although as we see here, after 
years passing, that that does no good either.


Here's the FFL dynamic, as I see it. I and a few others labeled as critics make 
a few statements challenging the sense of elitism and entitlement and 
specialness that TMers have been taught to feel about themselves. They react 
*not* to the actual points we raise, but by attacking us personally, and trying 
to get us. And by trying to encourage others to attack us, too. We challenge 
*ideas*, and they try to attack *us*. 

I am merely presenting alternative points of view on a number of subjects 
relative to the world
 of meditation, self discovery, and pursuit of that crazy thing some call 
enlightenment. They are in fact often my points of view, although they are not 
always my *only* points of view on the subjects. I feel I have *earned* these 
points of view on the basis of long experience with TM, the TMO, with other 
spiritual traditions, and as the result of a lifetime's worth of questioning 
pretty much *everything* and attempting to see it in new and interesting ways. 

I contend that trying to shoot the messenger rather than dealing with the 
message itself is a pretty puny and lazy-ass way of presenting oneself as 
spiritual. If that's the only intellectual tool these TMers have in their 
arsenal after all these decades of practice, it really doesn't say much about 
the value of the TM technique and philosophy, does it? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 awoelflebater@... wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


From: curtisdeltablues@...

[FairfieldLife] Coffee Rust

2014-05-19 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Just a little news that proves the idea of 8,000 yogic flyers doing anything 
positive in Latin America is a joke.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2014/05/09/central-american-fungus-cripples-coffee-crop-may-affect-us-prices/
 
   Central American Fungus Cripples Coffee Crop, May A...
A fungus called “La Roya”—rust—has been decimating the coffee crop in Central 
America.  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing

2014-05-19 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

 Ann, 

 There is a certain etiquette regarding 'enlightenment'. I think it is OK to 
attempt to describe one's own experiences, but it is a mine field to try to 
characterise someone else's because there is the always present probability of 
misunderstanding the language they are using to describe something that cannot 
really be described except inadequately by metaphor.
 

 One problem that happens when people 'wake up' is for a while it like being 
drunk, and there is the ever present chance (which happens in most cases) the 
ego co-ops the experience to some extent. Then one goes through a period of 
pontificating on what one knows and feeling superior to the peons 'who 
obviously don't know what enlightenment is'. In Zen this is called the 'stink 
of enlightenment', and it can last anywhere from 5 to 15 years or so. 
 

 Then it is the person who knows nothing about systems, enlightenment or 
teachings that will turn out to be the most humble and spontaneously innocent 
when it comes to experiencing the world in a new way that some characterize as 
enlightenment. Only those who have a preconceived notion that this is 
attainment of something others don't usually have would allow one to fall 
into the arrogant category. I don't personally know if I believe in stages of 
enlightenment although I do believe that new ways of perceiving the world and 
oneself are possible. What anyone wants to name or categorize these things as 
might be imposing a rigidity on them and could, to my way of thinking, open up 
these traps of arrogance. I personally think making great art or raising a 
large family with love and respect is worth more than having fallen into some 
other mental state.
 

 This kind of behaviour also results from spectacular mystical experiences, 
where one's knowledge of what is happening is even less. No one seems to escape 
this, and being an ass hole can last well into 'Brahman consciousness' (this 
label is really the only real 'state' of consciousness, and everybody has it to 
the same degree, just not the same degree of understanding). So if one is going 
to describe experiences, tell one's own tale and whatever flack one gets from 
doing that will come or not come. 
 

 I would imagine those who think they are enlightened don't need to talk about 
it, they simply need to live it. To speak about one's enlightenment is 
dangerous because you have so many who imagine things, don't understand things 
and become virtual fanatics about pursuing something that should be as natural 
as falling asleep or waking up.
 

 But using that experience to pigeon hole some one else's as beneath your own 
appraisal of your station is a trap, because it sets you up as if you are 
others' lord and master', and that may not be the case at all. That there are 
so many brawls here indicates that the tacit agreement that one is learning 
from someone else here simply is not the case here on FFL.
 

 I have fallen into this trap many times. Others here seem to have fallen in as 
well, but were I to get specific, once again I will be trapped as well. You can 
discuss this with someone if the trust is mutual, but no good results comes of 
jousting egos.
 

 There are egos here, Xeno, but ego is just another word for human being.
 

 I do not think Barry has escaped the trap, but he does seem to clearly 
recognise that it exists, and that is a positive step, is the essential step, 
to know that this is happening, and if he gives flack to others for slipping up 
this way, that is their due. Ideally we try to recognise it in ourselves first. 
 

 Barry is someone here who probably has the least insight into himself than 
anyone. He writes and writes all the while thinking he is one thing while his 
words tell a different story. He is contradictory and a colossal hypocrite 
which is fine except that he just doesn't see it. He is a blind man. He is 
negative and this negativity is what blinds him at times, at other times he is 
simply too lazy to think and articulate so he insults instead. I won't even go 
into the dreary repetitiveness of it all. 
 

 In the case of Jim, he is simply playing, toying with Barry. He knows it gets 
to him. I don't think Jim takes himself that seriously and if you read his 
recent posts he is simply taking it over the top to push the envelope to see 
what comes out of others - an alleged favourite tactic of Barry's. 
 

 I have never heard this discussed in the TM movement. But I only have a 
limited knowledge of what TM teachers might have experienced on long courses 
with Maharishi. I was never on long TM rounding courses, at most just one week.
 

 On the other hand if someone is acting like a jerk, without mentioning 
enlightenment, one can launch a personal attack, although as we see here, after 
years passing, that that does no good either.
 

 Thanks for the post Xeno. I always enjoy talking to you because you aren't

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: 8 of the World's Most Beautiful Gardens, How Your Mind Impacts Your Metabolism, Is Gluten 'Sensitivity' Real?

2014-05-19 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

Thinking definitely effects but unfortunately just not enough to correct 
a long term imbalance. Tonifying = to tone up the body.  For instance I 
knew a TM teacher who was a former university varsity football player 
who drug himself around trying live on a vegetarian diet.  He could only 
work 4 hours then go home and collapse.  He and his wife got into 
metabolic typing and learned that he was a big guy his body needed more 
protein to maintain itself.


On 05/19/2014 04:27 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Bhairitu, all I'm thinking is that it's a fascinating finding that 
one's thoughts about a food can affect how much chemical one's body 
produces. What is tonifying?
On Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:49 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



If you're thinking that a fast oxidizer can fool the body into using a 
vegetarian diet it won't work because there are other factors 
involved.  Dr. Oz simplified things a lot but those more savvy about 
biochemical individuality would realize he was basing his test more on 
Yin and  Yang factors since Yin = sweet and Yang = salty.  Those of us 
with ancestors who lived in colder climates ate meat because not only 
was it handy because veggies didn't grow so well in winter but it also 
warmed us because it made our blood more acidic.  In warmer climes and 
summer we do better with more alkalinizing foods because it's the heat 
makes us more acidic. IOW, it's a balancing act.


Of course you can't just jump into this without considering how much 
your body is already run down and may need a program to rebuild 
itself.  Too many ignorant health nuts focus on the reduction or 
detoxification phase and become weak and sick.  There needs to be a 
tonifying phase but many due to philosophical or idealogical nutrition 
won't do it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not Repsonsible

2014-05-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Ha! Barry, or, Mr. Mellow as we call him, has tried his usual strategies 
against things I assert, that he does not want to hear. In order: 

 1. Try to make it all about me - negatively.
 

 2. Do a 180 on his previous opinions, now that he has to defend them.
 

 and finally,
 

 3. Go away for awhile, and hope the rest of the forum forgets all about it. 
 

 As he said earlier about himself, Loser, with a capital L. :-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Barry Wright, there is something seriously wrong with your wiring, if you 
equate witnessing with a lack of responsibility. Obviously your witnessing 
experience was very, very limited. Otherwise you would see clearly, that the 
permanent state of witnessing, DOES NOT OCCUR until one has reached a point of 
spiritual maturity, to accept full responsibility for one's actions.  

 I accept your apology, in advance, for something you could not possibly know, 
but nonetheless, have spent a couple of pages, endlessly speculating about. :-)
 

 Unfortunately I fear I blew your cover with Bawee when I told him you were 
trying to make him squirm the other day. I thought he already realized that 
but, apparently not. Now that he knows this however, he is refusing to speak, 
feeling a tad humiliated and depressed that you were yanking his chain. Perhaps 
you can make him bite on another subject. I can think of lots that could get 
his gears grinding. (I'm going to snip this long-winded equivalent of a brain 
fart below, it is just so much more hot air emanating from Baweee's bwain.)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Yoga for Endurance

2014-05-19 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

That's what my mother always told me. But also said, sometimes you 
gotta take the bull by the horns. :-D


On 05/19/2014 12:04 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Take life as it comes.  Any other questions?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

2014-05-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Thanks for speaking up, Steve. I am so tired, as if it isn't obvious, of Barry, 
who quit the TMO 40 years ago, after having failed both his students, and 
himself. He then casts these false memories about, as if they were gold, and 
should be taken Very Seriously.  

 Give me a break - Very Seriously. It really cheapens the reality of what many 
of us here have been through, and not without our doubts. The last thing I need 
to hear, is some quitter, transferring his sense of failure onto the org that 
kicked him out, and those that stuck it through. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 I have to say Barry, when I hear you talk about your experiences in California 
as as Regional or State Coordinator, it doesn't jibe with my experience in the 
Midwest, as it pertains to keeping people off course etc. 

 You paint a very severe and petty picture which I do not recognize.
 

 P.S. As regards Andy Rymer, as I've reported here previously, during the time 
I saw him interact with Maharishi, which was around 1977, it was always a very 
affectionate interaction.  There was no competition going on.
 

 P.S.S. As regards this ostracizing of anyone who claims to have reached 
enlightenment, I suspect the protocols in the TM Movement were similar to most 
any student/teacher relationship in the eastern tradition.
 

 But it isn't surprising that you would try to paint this relationship in the 
worst possible way as it pertains to the TMO.  Let's face it, that is what 
constitutes about 80% of your participation here.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 
I can confirm what Curtis says here, from my earlier Regional Office and State 
Coordinator days. Other than conducting a Black Mass in the TM center, 
*nothing* was as likely to get you on Maharishi's Shit List and exiled forever 
from the movement than announcing your enlightenment. It was an instantaneous 
way to be dropped from all mailing lists, be barred from any courses, and be 
shunned by all concerned. 










As Curtis suggests, this is pretty odd behavior for a group that promises the 
fastest path to enlightenment. Several scholars who have specialized in the 
study of spiritual groups have proposed as one of their primary definitions of 
a cult the tendency to denigrate any student who claims to have achieved what 
only the leader is supposed to have achieved, and promote the idea that 
Nobody graduates. This is seen by many of them as *the* most defining 
characteristic of a controlling cult.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coffee Rust

2014-05-19 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Just a little news that proves the idea of 8,000 yogic flyers doing anything 
positive in Latin America is a joke.
 

 You are, apparently, a very literal-minded man MJ.
 

 
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2014/05/09/central-american-fungus-cripples-coffee-crop-may-affect-us-prices/
 
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2014/05/09/central-american-fungus-cripples-coffee-crop-may-affect-us-prices/
 
 
 
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2014/05/09/central-american-fungus-cripples-coffee-crop-may-affect-us-prices/;
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ygrps-yiv-15477654link-enhancr-element
 
 Central American Fungus Cripples Coffee Crop, May A... 
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2014/05/09/central-american-fungus-cripples-coffee-crop-may-affect-us-prices/
 A fungus called “La Roya”—rust—has been decimating the coffee crop in Central 
America.


 
 View on latino.foxnews.com 
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2014/05/09/central-american-fungus-cripples-coffee-crop-may-affect-us-prices/
 Preview by Yahoo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?

2014-05-19 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

BTW, this documentary is excellent.  I highly recommend it to those 
interested in the era and what an unusual character Baker is.  He never 
has thought of himself as a rock drummer but a jazz drummer.  In fact I 
recall that one of my drum teachers pointed out that Baker was not 
playing the typical rock backup but more like African drumming otherwise 
the Cream being a trio would have sounded thin.  I also suspect that the 
conflict between him and Jack Bruce was due to the bass versus drummer 
control of time.

Trailer:
http://youtu.be/wqrigN8jxj8

The film on Netflix WI:
https://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/70234494


On 05/17/2014 12:56 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:


For those interested and have Netflix WI, the Ginger Baker documentary 
is available there.


On 05/17/2014 12:24 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:



I've heard in Africa the criterion for a real drummer is the ability 
to sing whilst drumming.


By that criterion I'm not a drummer, but drumming is one of the few 
things I really love


(and my neighbors hate, LOL?).


I especially like to put a metronome at something like 140 - 150 BPS 
and play some quite heavily


syncopating, almost totally improvised rhythms over(?) it.


Another thing I like is to play in 3/4ths so that it sounds as funny 
as possible...



https://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/8495362998/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coffee Rust

2014-05-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I, for one, would like to see us Americans drink less coffee. It IS 
psychoactive, and we may just have less of a frenzy, in general, if we slowed 
down the caffeine intake a bit.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Just a little news that proves the idea of 8,000 yogic flyers doing anything 
positive in Latin America is a joke.
 

 You are, apparently, a very literal-minded man MJ.
 

 
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2014/05/09/central-american-fungus-cripples-coffee-crop-may-affect-us-prices/
 
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2014/05/09/central-american-fungus-cripples-coffee-crop-may-affect-us-prices/
 
 
 
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2014/05/09/central-american-fungus-cripples-coffee-crop-may-affect-us-prices/;
 class=ygrps-yiv-478407835ygrps-yiv-15477654link-enhancr-card-urlWrapper 
ygrps-yiv-478407835ygrps-yiv-15477654link-enhancr-element
 
 Central American Fungus Cripples Coffee Crop, May A... 
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2014/05/09/central-american-fungus-cripples-coffee-crop-may-affect-us-prices/
 A fungus called “La Roya”—rust—has been decimating the coffee crop in Central 
America.


 
 View on latino.foxnews.com 
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2014/05/09/central-american-fungus-cripples-coffee-crop-may-affect-us-prices/
 Preview by Yahoo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing

2014-05-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

In the case of Jim, he is simply playing, toying with Barry. He knows it gets 
to him. I don't think Jim takes himself that seriously and if you read his 
recent posts he is simply taking it over the top to push the envelope to see 
what comes out of others - an alleged favourite tactic of Barry's.  

 Hi Ann - Actually I have not said anything that is over the top, relative to 
this latest issue. It is simply a case of ensuring that Barry and Curtis walk 
their talk. So far, both have failed pretty miserably. 
 

 They have been claiming implicitly, for years to have the final word on human 
development, and certainly spiritual development. Everyone on here has kinda 
been going along with this, without challenging it. Dig a little bit, and come 
to find out both of these knuckleheads are simply quitters, ex_TM teachers, who 
couldn't hack it, for themselves, or their students. Combined, they have the 
insight of a box of rocks - actually, less.
 

 Hope that helps -
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

 Ann, 

 There is a certain etiquette regarding 'enlightenment'. I think it is OK to 
attempt to describe one's own experiences, but it is a mine field to try to 
characterise someone else's because there is the always present probability of 
misunderstanding the language they are using to describe something that cannot 
really be described except inadequately by metaphor.
 

 One problem that happens when people 'wake up' is for a while it like being 
drunk, and there is the ever present chance (which happens in most cases) the 
ego co-ops the experience to some extent. Then one goes through a period of 
pontificating on what one knows and feeling superior to the peons 'who 
obviously don't know what enlightenment is'. In Zen this is called the 'stink 
of enlightenment', and it can last anywhere from 5 to 15 years or so. 
 

 Then it is the person who knows nothing about systems, enlightenment or 
teachings that will turn out to be the most humble and spontaneously innocent 
when it comes to experiencing the world in a new way that some characterize as 
enlightenment. Only those who have a preconceived notion that this is 
attainment of something others don't usually have would allow one to fall 
into the arrogant category. I don't personally know if I believe in stages of 
enlightenment although I do believe that new ways of perceiving the world and 
oneself are possible. What anyone wants to name or categorize these things as 
might be imposing a rigidity on them and could, to my way of thinking, open up 
these traps of arrogance. I personally think making great art or raising a 
large family with love and respect is worth more than having fallen into some 
other mental state.
 

 This kind of behaviour also results from spectacular mystical experiences, 
where one's knowledge of what is happening is even less. No one seems to escape 
this, and being an ass hole can last well into 'Brahman consciousness' (this 
label is really the only real 'state' of consciousness, and everybody has it to 
the same degree, just not the same degree of understanding). So if one is going 
to describe experiences, tell one's own tale and whatever flack one gets from 
doing that will come or not come. 
 

 I would imagine those who think they are enlightened don't need to talk about 
it, they simply need to live it. To speak about one's enlightenment is 
dangerous because you have so many who imagine things, don't understand things 
and become virtual fanatics about pursuing something that should be as natural 
as falling asleep or waking up.
 

 But using that experience to pigeon hole some one else's as beneath your own 
appraisal of your station is a trap, because it sets you up as if you are 
others' lord and master', and that may not be the case at all. That there are 
so many brawls here indicates that the tacit agreement that one is learning 
from someone else here simply is not the case here on FFL.
 

 I have fallen into this trap many times. Others here seem to have fallen in as 
well, but were I to get specific, once again I will be trapped as well. You can 
discuss this with someone if the trust is mutual, but no good results comes of 
jousting egos.
 

 There are egos here, Xeno, but ego is just another word for human being.
 

 I do not think Barry has escaped the trap, but he does seem to clearly 
recognise that it exists, and that is a positive step, is the essential step, 
to know that this is happening, and if he gives flack to others for slipping up 
this way, that is their due. Ideally we try to recognise it in ourselves first. 
 

 Barry is someone here who probably has the least insight into himself than 
anyone. He writes and writes all the while thinking he is one thing while his 
words tell a different story. He is contradictory and a colossal hypocrite 
which is fine except that he just doesn't see it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: 8 of the World's Most Beautiful Gardens, How Your Mind Impacts Your Metabolism, Is Gluten 'Sensitivity' Real?

2014-05-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I remember hearing in nutrition class, the average protein requirement is 60 
grams a day - I need more like a hundred, and can't do strict veggy - need meat 
at least once a week. When I worked for the movement I craved sugar constantly 
because I wasn't getting enough protein - got plenty of zucchini, though. :-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 Thinking definitely effects but unfortunately just not enough to correct a 
long term imbalance.  Tonifying = to tone up the body.  For instance I knew a 
TM teacher who was a former university varsity football player who drug himself 
around trying live on a vegetarian diet.  He could only work 4 hours then go 
home and collapse.  He and his wife got into metabolic typing and learned that 
he was a big guy his body needed more protein to maintain itself.  
 
 On 05/19/2014 04:27 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Bhairitu, all I'm thinking is that it's a fascinating finding that one's 
thoughts about a food can affect how much chemical one's body produces. What is 
tonifying?
 
 On Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:49 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 
   
 If you're thinking that a fast oxidizer can fool the body into using a 
vegetarian diet it won't work because there are other factors involved.  Dr. Oz 
simplified things a lot but those more savvy about biochemical individuality 
would realize he was basing his test more on Yin and  Yang factors since Yin = 
sweet and Yang = salty.  Those of us with ancestors who lived in colder 
climates ate meat because not only was it handy because veggies didn't grow so 
well in winter but it also warmed us because it made our blood more acidic.  In 
warmer climes and summer we do better with more alkalinizing foods because it's 
the heat makes us more acidic. IOW, it's a balancing act.
 
 Of course you can't just jump into this without considering how much your body 
is already run down and may need a program to rebuild itself.  Too many 
ignorant health nuts focus on the reduction or detoxification phase and 
become weak and sick.  There needs to be a tonifying phase but many due to 
philosophical or idealogical nutrition won't do it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?

I heard a good story about Ginge, don't know if it's true but apparently he
used to work in a bank and one day told the manager that he was quitting to
become a famous drummer. The manager said but you don't play drums, and Ginge
replied, not yet!

He came across as a total asshole in a recent interview though:

Meeting Ginger Baker: an experience to forget
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2013/may/15/ginger-baker-beware-mr-baker-interview

http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2013/may/15/ginger-baker-beware-mr-baker-interview

Meeting Ginger Baker: an experience to forget
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2013/may/15/ginger-baker-beware-mr-baker-interview
How an onstage QA with the great drummer turned into a professional horror
show

View on www.theguardian.com
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2013/may/15/ginger-baker-beware-mr-baker-interview

Preview by Yahoo

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

BTW, this documentary is excellent. I highly recommend it to those interested
in the era and what an unusual character Baker is. He never has thought of
himself as a rock drummer but a jazz drummer. In fact I recall that one of my
drum teachers pointed out that Baker was not playing the typical rock backup
but more like African drumming otherwise the Cream being a trio would have
sounded thin. I also suspect that the conflict between him and Jack Bruce was
due to the bass versus drummer control of time.
Trailer:
http://youtu.be/wqrigN8jxj8 http://youtu.be/wqrigN8jxj8

The film on Netflix WI:
https://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/70234494
https://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/70234494

On 05/17/2014 12:56 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

For those interested and have Netflix WI, the Ginger Baker documentary is
available there.

On 05/17/2014 12:24 AM, cardemaister@... mailto:cardemaister@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

I've heard in Africa the criterion for a real drummer is the ability to sing
whilst drumming.

By that criterion I'm not a drummer, but drumming is one of the few things I
really love
(and my neighbors hate, LOL?).

I especially like to put a metronome at something like 140 - 150 BPS and play
some quite heavily
syncopating, almost totally improvised rhythms over(?) it.

Another thing I like is to play in 3/4ths so that it sounds as funny as
possible...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/8495362998/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/8495362998/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 In the case of Jim, he is simply playing, toying with Barry. He knows it gets 
to him. I don't think Jim takes himself that seriously and if you read his 
recent posts he is simply taking it over the top to push the envelope to see 
what comes out of others - an alleged favourite tactic of Barry's.  

 Hi Ann - Actually I have not said anything that is over the top, relative to 
this latest issue. It is simply a case of ensuring that Barry and Curtis walk 
their talk. So far, both have failed pretty miserably. 
 

 They have been claiming implicitly, for years to have the final word on human 
development, and certainly spiritual development. Everyone on here has kinda 
been going along with this, without challenging it. Dig a little bit, and come 
to find out both of these knuckleheads are simply quitters, ex_TM teachers, who 
couldn't hack it, for themselves, or their students. Combined, they have the 
insight of a box of rocks - actually, less.
 

 Hope that helps -
 

 More than you know.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

 Ann, 

 There is a certain etiquette regarding 'enlightenment'. I think it is OK to 
attempt to describe one's own experiences, but it is a mine field to try to 
characterise someone else's because there is the always present probability of 
misunderstanding the language they are using to describe something that cannot 
really be described except inadequately by metaphor.
 

 One problem that happens when people 'wake up' is for a while it like being 
drunk, and there is the ever present chance (which happens in most cases) the 
ego co-ops the experience to some extent. Then one goes through a period of 
pontificating on what one knows and feeling superior to the peons 'who 
obviously don't know what enlightenment is'. In Zen this is called the 'stink 
of enlightenment', and it can last anywhere from 5 to 15 years or so. 
 

 Then it is the person who knows nothing about systems, enlightenment or 
teachings that will turn out to be the most humble and spontaneously innocent 
when it comes to experiencing the world in a new way that some characterize as 
enlightenment. Only those who have a preconceived notion that this is 
attainment of something others don't usually have would allow one to fall 
into the arrogant category. I don't personally know if I believe in stages of 
enlightenment although I do believe that new ways of perceiving the world and 
oneself are possible. What anyone wants to name or categorize these things as 
might be imposing a rigidity on them and could, to my way of thinking, open up 
these traps of arrogance. I personally think making great art or raising a 
large family with love and respect is worth more than having fallen into some 
other mental state.
 

 This kind of behaviour also results from spectacular mystical experiences, 
where one's knowledge of what is happening is even less. No one seems to escape 
this, and being an ass hole can last well into 'Brahman consciousness' (this 
label is really the only real 'state' of consciousness, and everybody has it to 
the same degree, just not the same degree of understanding). So if one is going 
to describe experiences, tell one's own tale and whatever flack one gets from 
doing that will come or not come. 
 

 I would imagine those who think they are enlightened don't need to talk about 
it, they simply need to live it. To speak about one's enlightenment is 
dangerous because you have so many who imagine things, don't understand things 
and become virtual fanatics about pursuing something that should be as natural 
as falling asleep or waking up.
 

 But using that experience to pigeon hole some one else's as beneath your own 
appraisal of your station is a trap, because it sets you up as if you are 
others' lord and master', and that may not be the case at all. That there are 
so many brawls here indicates that the tacit agreement that one is learning 
from someone else here simply is not the case here on FFL.
 

 I have fallen into this trap many times. Others here seem to have fallen in as 
well, but were I to get specific, once again I will be trapped as well. You can 
discuss this with someone if the trust is mutual, but no good results comes of 
jousting egos.
 

 There are egos here, Xeno, but ego is just another word for human being.
 

 I do not think Barry has escaped the trap, but he does seem to clearly 
recognise that it exists, and that is a positive step, is the essential step, 
to know that this is happening, and if he gives flack to others for slipping up 
this way, that is their due. Ideally we try to recognise it in ourselves first. 
 

 Barry is someone here who probably has the least insight into himself than 
anyone. He writes and writes all the while thinking he is one thing while his 
words tell a different

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

2014-05-19 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]


 Thanks for this correction Steve. The Turq has claimed inside info on 
something that happened 40 years ago, and why ? Because the others have either 
moved on or are still around but shun this blog. The Turq is simply stuck in 
stuff he didn't understand AND that happened 2 generations ago. I feel sorry 
for him.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Thanks for speaking up, Steve. I am so tired, as if it isn't obvious, of 
Barry, who quit the TMO 40 years ago, after having failed both his students, 
and himself. He then casts these false memories about, as if they were gold, 
and should be taken Very Seriously.  

 Give me a break - Very Seriously. It really cheapens the reality of what many 
of us here have been through, and not without our doubts. The last thing I need 
to hear, is some quitter, transferring his sense of failure onto the org that 
kicked him out, and those that stuck it through. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 I have to say Barry, when I hear you talk about your experiences in California 
as as Regional or State Coordinator, it doesn't jibe with my experience in the 
Midwest, as it pertains to keeping people off course etc. 

 You paint a very severe and petty picture which I do not recognize.
 

 P.S. As regards Andy Rymer, as I've reported here previously, during the time 
I saw him interact with Maharishi, which was around 1977, it was always a very 
affectionate interaction.  There was no competition going on.
 

 P.S.S. As regards this ostracizing of anyone who claims to have reached 
enlightenment, I suspect the protocols in the TM Movement were similar to most 
any student/teacher relationship in the eastern tradition.
 

 But it isn't surprising that you would try to paint this relationship in the 
worst possible way as it pertains to the TMO.  Let's face it, that is what 
constitutes about 80% of your participation here.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 
I can confirm what Curtis says here, from my earlier Regional Office and State 
Coordinator days. Other than conducting a Black Mass in the TM center, 
*nothing* was as likely to get you on Maharishi's Shit List and exiled forever 
from the movement than announcing your enlightenment. It was an instantaneous 
way to be dropped from all mailing lists, be barred from any courses, and be 
shunned by all concerned. 










As Curtis suggests, this is pretty odd behavior for a group that promises the 
fastest path to enlightenment. Several scholars who have specialized in the 
study of spiritual groups have proposed as one of their primary definitions of 
a cult the tendency to denigrate any student who claims to have achieved what 
only the leader is supposed to have achieved, and promote the idea that 
Nobody graduates. This is seen by many of them as *the* most defining 
characteristic of a controlling cult.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?

Yes, he is quite acerbic. A true pitta! In fact you'll notice in the
trailer at the end he is hitting the guy doing the documentary with his
cane.

I saw him play with the Cream and Stevie Winwood but never met the guy.
If I did I'm sure we would have sat around talking drums.

BTW, I see one of my neighbors is also in the trailer.

On 05/19/2014 09:40 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

I heard a good story about Ginge, don't know if it's true but
apparently he used to work in a bank and one day told the manager that
he was quitting to become a famous drummer. The manager said but you
don't play drums, and Ginge replied, not yet!

He came across as a total asshole in a recent interview though:

Meeting Ginger Baker: an experience to forget
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2013/may/15/ginger-baker-beware-mr-baker-interview

image
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2013/may/15/ginger-baker-beware-mr-baker-interview

Meeting Ginger Baker: an experience to forget
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2013/may/15/ginger-baker-beware-mr-baker-interview

How an onstage QA with the great drummer turned into a professional
horror show

View on www.theguardian.com
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2013/may/15/ginger-baker-beware-mr-baker-interview

Preview by Yahoo

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

BTW, this documentary is excellent. I highly recommend it to those
interested in the era and what an unusual character Baker is. He
never has thought of himself as a rock drummer but a jazz drummer. In
fact I recall that one of my drum teachers pointed out that Baker was
not playing the typical rock backup but more like African drumming
otherwise the Cream being a trio would have sounded thin. I also
suspect that the conflict between him and Jack Bruce was due to the
bass versus drummer control of time.

Trailer:
http://youtu.be/wqrigN8jxj8

The film on Netflix WI:
https://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/70234494

On 05/17/2014 12:56 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

For those interested and have Netflix WI, the Ginger Baker
documentary is available there.

On 05/17/2014 12:24 AM, cardemaister@...
mailto:cardemaister@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

I've heard in Africa the criterion for a real drummer is the
ability to sing whilst drumming.

By that criterion I'm not a drummer, but drumming is one of the
few things I really love

(and my neighbors hate, LOL?).

I especially like to put a metronome at something like 140 - 150
BPS and play some quite heavily

syncopating, almost totally improvised rhythms over(?) it.

Another thing I like is to play in 3/4ths so that it sounds as
funny as possible...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/8495362998/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: 8 of the World's Most Beautiful Gardens, How Your Mind Impacts Your Metabolism, Is Gluten 'Sensitivity' Real?

2014-05-19 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

In 1972 when an ND told me I couldn't be a vegetarian because I was 
already showing signs of anemia after just two weeks of trying a veggie 
diet, he also told me that most people could get by one eating animal 
protein two or three times a week.  On some of the political boards the 
vegan liberals hate me because I advocate biochemical individuality.  
They often have anecdotal claims that they have been doing just fine on 
a vegan diet.  So I often tell them we need to put them on a treadmill 
and see how they do.


They also get miffed when I point to the Meatless Mondays movement 
which claims if people didn't eat meat one day a week then climate 
change could be prevented.


On 05/19/2014 09:11 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:


I remember hearing in nutrition class, the average protein requirement 
is 60 grams a day - I need more like a hundred, and can't do strict 
veggy - need meat at least once a week. When I worked for the movement 
I craved sugar constantly because I wasn't getting enough protein - 
got plenty of zucchini, though. :-)




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

Thinking definitely effects but unfortunately just not enough to 
correct a long term imbalance. Tonifying = to tone up the body.  For 
instance I knew a TM teacher who was a former university varsity 
football player who drug himself around trying live on a vegetarian 
diet.  He could only work 4 hours then go home and collapse.  He and 
his wife got into metabolic typing and learned that he was a big guy 
his body needed more protein to maintain itself.


On 05/19/2014 04:27 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... 
mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Bhairitu, all I'm thinking is that it's a fascinating finding that
one's thoughts about a food can affect how much chemical one's
body produces. What is tonifying?
On Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:49 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@...
mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


If you're thinking that a fast oxidizer can fool the body into
using a vegetarian diet it won't work because there are other
factors involved.  Dr. Oz simplified things a lot but those more
savvy about biochemical individuality would realize he was basing
his test more on Yin and  Yang factors since Yin = sweet and Yang
= salty.  Those of us with ancestors who lived in colder climates
ate meat because not only was it handy because veggies didn't grow
so well in winter but it also warmed us because it made our blood
more acidic.  In warmer climes and summer we do better with more
alkalinizing foods because it's the heat makes us more acidic.
IOW, it's a balancing act.

Of course you can't just jump into this without considering how
much your body is already run down and may need a program to
rebuild itself.  Too many ignorant health nuts focus on the
reduction or detoxification phase and become weak and sick.  There
needs to be a tonifying phase but many due to philosophical or
idealogical nutrition won't do it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moses and Consciousness

Mike, 

 That was a good catch you made.  Nonetheless, my point is that there is a lot 
of wisdom in the OT texts if one looks at it from both the literal and symbolic 
sense.  IMO, however, the Jews are still taking the coming of the messiah, as 
prophesied by Isaiah and the other prophets, in the literal sense.  They're 
expecting a world leader who would deliver the Jews into a renaissance of 
grandeur and power that King David had in the past.
 

 So, that's why the Jews would not and could not accept the message of Jesus.  
They considered him blasphemous and at best insane.
 

 This is also why the Jews are still battling the other tribes in the Middle 
East today.  When will it end?  As an aside, there was a CBS report, a few 
years ago, stating that the Jewish messiah came and is living in New York.  He 
was old Hasidic Jew and I'm not sure if he's still alive.  By the looks of it, 
nothing significant has happened in Israel.  So, life goes on.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

  Ah, that was Jacob that wrestled with an angel  and then was renamed 
*Israel*. At the time of Jacobs birth , he also wrestled with his brother, 
grabbing his heal, trying to be the first out of the womb so that he would 
inherit the birth right of the *first born*. He lost that battle but tricked 
his brother and father out of the blessing anyway and became the father of the 
twelve tribes of Israel. Jacob was also a very shrewed businessman and became 
very wealthy, cleverly negotiating deals with people he did business 
with.Unfortunately, many anti- Semites( Hitler, David Duke,  etc) use the story 
of Jacob to claim that Jews are tricky and will steal from the gentiles and are 
not to be trusted. In fact, Jacob was blessed with more awareness, greater 
intelligence and nature supported that quality. The rich get richer and the 
poor get poorer. Doesn't sound very nice but that is the force of evolution at 
work.
 On Sunday, May 18, 2014 6:56 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   Mike,
 

 You've got a point there.  I can think of a passage where I believe it was 
Abram who struggled with an unknown heavenly entity through the night and won.  
He asked, what is your name?
 

 It was at this time, as I recall, he was renamed Abraham and was granted the 
destiny of having descendants as many as the stars in the sky.
 

 There's also the story of Jacob's dream about a ladder to heaven.  The ladder 
could be interpreted as the various chakras in the human body, which signify 
the various states of consciousness, culminating in a heavenly state which can 
correspond to cosmic consciousness or brahman consciousness.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

 The Bible is loaded with personal experiences of pure awareness, so said 
Maharishi. He had one group read the pslams at one point on our six month 
course. Personally, I had never read the Bible until a few years ago. When I 
did, it knocked my socks off! The pages were full of experiences I had been 
having all along for years in meditation. The Bible expresses many of these 
events as happening on the gross physical plain of existence when in fact many 
were inner experiences in awareness.
 On Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:12 AM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   Mike,
 

 That's a good point too.  So, one can say that this was the experience that 
Moses had in Mount Zion, in symbolic language.  And, the principles he cognized 
as necessary for the development of consciousness are the Ten Commandments that 
were etched in stone.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

 The burning bush was an experience, while absorbed in pure awareness. 
 On Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:04 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

 He may have predated MMY by discussing consciousness as basis of all knowledge 
in the Bible passage:
 

 I AM WHO AM
 

 Popeye saw the wisdom of that too
 

 

 I don't believe the Hebrews knew what he was trying to convey back then. But 
most people today don't know either.
 

 The burning bush that he used as a writing symbolism could be interpreted as 
the burnt offering to the Self or Yahweh, or the thoughts that are burnt by the 
mantra during meditation.
 

 Or maybe the eternal flame of unity consciousness? 
 

 

 What do you think?
 

 I think you should stop making wild leaps in the dark and trying to find 
connections where there aren't any. Personally...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?

2014-05-19 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 You live next door to Johnny Rotten? Poor you!
 

 I've got a live Cream DVD and they are superb but he isn't me favourite 
drummer, too skittery for me, I prefer the solidity of John Bonham. Cream were 
better than the sum of their parts I think, I never liked Clapton much 
afterwards either.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 Yes, he is quite acerbic.  A true pitta!  In fact you'll notice in the trailer 
at the end he is hitting the guy doing the documentary with his cane. 
 
 I saw him play with the Cream and Stevie Winwood but never met the guy.  If I 
did I'm sure we would have sat around talking drums.  
 
 BTW, I see one of my neighbors is also in the trailer.
 
 On 05/19/2014 09:40 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
   

 I heard a good story about Ginge, don't know if it's true but apparently he 
used to work in a bank and one day told the manager that he was quitting to 
become a famous drummer. The manager said but you don't play drums, and Ginge 
replied, not yet! 
 
 He came across as a total asshole in a recent interview though:
 
 
 Meeting Ginger Baker: an experience to forget 
 
 
 
 Meeting Ginger Baker: an experience to forget How an onstage QA with the 
great drummer turned into a professional horror show


 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 BTW, this documentary is excellent.  I highly recommend it to those interested 
in the era and what an unusual character Baker is.  He never has thought of 
himself as a rock drummer but a jazz drummer.  In fact I recall that one of my 
drum teachers pointed out that Baker was not playing the typical rock backup 
but more like African drumming otherwise the Cream being a trio would have 
sounded thin.  I also suspect that the conflict between him and Jack Bruce was 
due to the bass versus drummer control of time.
 Trailer:
 http://youtu.be/wqrigN8jxj8 http://youtu.be/wqrigN8jxj8
 
 The film on Netflix WI:
 https://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/70234494 
https://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/70234494
 
 
 On 05/17/2014 12:56 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   For those interested and have Netflix WI, the Ginger Baker documentary is 
available there.
 
 On 05/17/2014 12:24 AM, cardemaister@... mailto:cardemaister@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   

 I've heard in Africa the criterion for a real drummer is the ability to sing 
whilst drumming.

 By that criterion I'm not a drummer, but drumming is one of the few things I 
really love
 (and my neighbors hate, LOL?).
 

 I especially like to put a metronome at something like 140 - 150 BPS and play 
some quite heavily
 syncopating, almost totally improvised rhythms over(?) it.
 

 Another thing I like is to play in 3/4ths so that it sounds as funny as 
possible...
 

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/8495362998/ 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/8495362998/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Not Repsonsible


Barry hit the nail on the head. This post is pure gold. 

The idea of enlightenment that MMY states in his commentary in the Gita and 
elsewhere is the underlying driving force behind the race to enlightenment for 
the majority of meditators, that 
and the supposed end of suffering, acquisition of power, and acquisition of 
knowledge. 

It would be interesting to conduct a survey of people at MUM and ask them to 
rank these goals in order of importance to them.

And in fact it is this description of enlightenment and what people in 
enlightenment experience and how they behave that convinces me that Marshy was 
in fact NOT enlightened. 

His assertion that an enlightened man lives a cosmic life, that his actions are 
cosmic actions that his thoughts are God's thoughts, his desires are God's or 
Cosmic desires. This was accompanied by a lifetime of behavior that included 
lying to people personally and to large groups, taking money under false 
pretenses, i.e. financial fraud, using his female followers for his sexual 
pleasure and lying about being a life long celibate, showing anger, irritation, 
and other emotions that one would not associate with enlightenment and showing 
not only contempt for others but a clear lack of concern as to how his actions 
affected others. 

Either he wasn't enlightened according to his own definition of same, or his 
brand of enlightenment is worthless. 

The idea which is nearly universally present amongst both the eastern guru 
movements and the new age and Eckhart Tolle style I am awakened, not 
enlightened crowd that being enlightened or awakened has nothing to do with 
behavior is complete bullshit. 

It is used as an excuse by people who want to do as they please and take 
prideful credit for themselves by claiming that as an awakened or enlightened 
person they are beyond all considerations or that their actions are cosmic 
actions. 





 From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 4:24 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Not Repsonsible
 


  
There are many things that still surprise me about the things that long-term TM 
TBs believe and that I no longer believe, but I admit to having been somewhat 
taken aback yesterday at Lawson's seemingly unquestioning acceptance of what he 
was told about the nature of enlightenment. That is, that (according to MMY) 
once one is enlightened, a person cannot possibly do any wrong, because all of 
their actions are run by God, or the Laws Of Nature, or whatever/whomever 
they believe is pulling the strings. 

I personally consider this belief THE most negative and THE most destructive in 
all of the spiritual mythologies that have built up around the concept of 
enlightenment. 

And I say this *knowing* where the belief comes from. It comes from the 
subjective experience of a brain fart that makes one feel as if one is not the 
doer. THAT, plus the experience of having some dissociative distance from 
one's thoughts and actions that one has been taught to associate with 
witnessing have been the cause of most of the bad things that have taken 
place in the history of the pursuit of enlightenment. 

The fascinating thing from my point of view is that this particular brain fart 
can be created in a laboratory, through the use of medications, or by
 overloading the normal electrical impulses of the brain by stronger impulses, 
applied to certain areas of the brain. When this happens, the subject begins to 
feel as if they are not the doer, and that something ELSE is running 
things. All because of an induced brain fart. Enlightenment traditions that
 glorify this brain fart teach that this mysterious ELSE is God, or the 
workings of the Laws Of Nature, and thus anything the person in Brain Fart 
Consciousness finds themselves doing while in this not the doer state is 
the RIGHT thing, the GODLY thing, the PERFECT thing. 

I -- having experienced this brain fart myself many times -- call bullshit. 
Brain Fart Consciousness is Just Another State Of Attention. It is no better 
or higher or superior than any other. People just believe it is because 
they've been TAUGHT to believe that. 

If they had never heard any of the myths of the enlightenment traditions, and 
had just stumbled upon this brain fart themselves, they would probably consult 
a psychiatrist, who would diagnose their condition as dissociation. But they 
HAVE been taught that this witnessing brain
 fart is not only a form of Something good is
 happening, it's the BEST form of something good happening. It's an indicator 
-- in their brainwashed minds, that is -- of enlightenment. 

And why? Because, in my opinion, these people long for a state in which they 
can consider themselves Not Responsible for anything they do. 

The 60s comedy group The Firesign Theater used to do some great routines based 
on this

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing

2014-05-19 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

The reason you get attacked, Barry, is that you're so fucking nasty in sharing 
your great wisdom with us. You make all kinds of gratuitously demeaning 
assumptions about the TMers here, many if not most of which are simply not 
true; and you consistently exalt yourself as superior. Plus which, many of your 
ideas are shallow and poorly thought out, not to mention repeated over and 
over and OVER again. 

 You pretend to be doing all this to be helpful, but that's bullshit. You do it 
because you get off on insulting people. You may have earned the right to 
challenge ideas, but you haven't earned the right to dump on the people who 
hold them.
 

 

 
 

 

 Here's the FFL dynamic, as I see it. I and a few others labeled as critics 
make a few statements challenging the sense of elitism and entitlement and 
specialness that TMers have been taught to feel about themselves. They react 
*not* to the actual points we raise, but by attacking us personally, and trying 
to get us. And by trying to encourage others to attack us, too. We challenge 
*ideas*, and they try to attack *us*. 

I am merely presenting alternative points of view on a number of subjects 
relative to the world of meditation, self discovery, and pursuit of that crazy 
thing some call enlightenment. They are in fact often my points of view, 
although they are not always my *only* points of view on the subjects. I feel I 
have *earned* these points of view on the basis of long experience with TM, the 
TMO, with other spiritual traditions, and as the result of a lifetime's worth 
of questioning pretty much *everything* and attempting to see it in new and 
interesting ways. 

I contend that trying to shoot the messenger rather than dealing with the 
message itself is a pretty puny and lazy-ass way of presenting oneself as 
spiritual. If that's the only intellectual tool these TMers have in their 
arsenal after all these decades of practice, it really doesn't say much about 
the value of the TM technique and philosophy, does it?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing

2014-05-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

wink, wink, nudge, nudge...Ooooh, speaking volumes and all that - what a 
weak-minded and lazy response, Sal. Shows us where your allegiance lies, on 
this issue; another wanker, being drawn in by the other two. 
 

 Have you also had very limited witnessing experience, no established silence 
during activity, and wish to climb aboard the band-wagon? By all means, step on 
up - we'd love to hear your deepest thoughts on the matter, but you will have 
to do better, than your lame, and indolent, acceptance, of Barry's fantasies. 
:-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 In the case of Jim, he is simply playing, toying with Barry. He knows it gets 
to him. I don't think Jim takes himself that seriously and if you read his 
recent posts he is simply taking it over the top to push the envelope to see 
what comes out of others - an alleged favourite tactic of Barry's.  

 Hi Ann - Actually I have not said anything that is over the top, relative to 
this latest issue. It is simply a case of ensuring that Barry and Curtis walk 
their talk. So far, both have failed pretty miserably. 
 

 They have been claiming implicitly, for years to have the final word on human 
development, and certainly spiritual development. Everyone on here has kinda 
been going along with this, without challenging it. Dig a little bit, and come 
to find out both of these knuckleheads are simply quitters, ex_TM teachers, who 
couldn't hack it, for themselves, or their students. Combined, they have the 
insight of a box of rocks - actually, less.
 

 Hope that helps -
 

 More than you know.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

 Ann, 

 There is a certain etiquette regarding 'enlightenment'. I think it is OK to 
attempt to describe one's own experiences, but it is a mine field to try to 
characterise someone else's because there is the always present probability of 
misunderstanding the language they are using to describe something that cannot 
really be described except inadequately by metaphor.
 

 One problem that happens when people 'wake up' is for a while it like being 
drunk, and there is the ever present chance (which happens in most cases) the 
ego co-ops the experience to some extent. Then one goes through a period of 
pontificating on what one knows and feeling superior to the peons 'who 
obviously don't know what enlightenment is'. In Zen this is called the 'stink 
of enlightenment', and it can last anywhere from 5 to 15 years or so. 
 

 Then it is the person who knows nothing about systems, enlightenment or 
teachings that will turn out to be the most humble and spontaneously innocent 
when it comes to experiencing the world in a new way that some characterize as 
enlightenment. Only those who have a preconceived notion that this is 
attainment of something others don't usually have would allow one to fall 
into the arrogant category. I don't personally know if I believe in stages of 
enlightenment although I do believe that new ways of perceiving the world and 
oneself are possible. What anyone wants to name or categorize these things as 
might be imposing a rigidity on them and could, to my way of thinking, open up 
these traps of arrogance. I personally think making great art or raising a 
large family with love and respect is worth more than having fallen into some 
other mental state.
 

 This kind of behaviour also results from spectacular mystical experiences, 
where one's knowledge of what is happening is even less. No one seems to escape 
this, and being an ass hole can last well into 'Brahman consciousness' (this 
label is really the only real 'state' of consciousness, and everybody has it to 
the same degree, just not the same degree of understanding). So if one is going 
to describe experiences, tell one's own tale and whatever flack one gets from 
doing that will come or not come. 
 

 I would imagine those who think they are enlightened don't need to talk about 
it, they simply need to live it. To speak about one's enlightenment is 
dangerous because you have so many who imagine things, don't understand things 
and become virtual fanatics about pursuing something that should be as natural 
as falling asleep or waking up.
 

 But using that experience to pigeon hole some one else's as beneath your own 
appraisal of your station is a trap, because it sets you up as if you are 
others' lord and master', and that may not be the case at all. That there are 
so many brawls here indicates that the tacit agreement that one is learning 
from someone else here simply is not the case here on FFL.
 

 I have fallen into this trap many times. Others here seem to have fallen in as 
well, but were I to get specific, once again I will be trapped as well. You can 
discuss this with someone if the trust is mutual, but no

Re: [FairfieldLife] Not Repsonsible

2014-05-19 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

One more time: 
What if what has been described as enlightenment in the past
 has *absolutely nothing* to do with personality or behavior?
 What if, just as those who described it in the past have said,
 it is purely about consciousness, having the ability to directly
 perceive eternality 24/7, and that ability has *absolutely nothing*
 to do with what is going on simultaneously in terms of
 personality and behavior?
 

 --Barry Wright, awhile back on alt.m.t

 
Barry hit the nail on the head. This post is pure gold.
 

 (snip)
  
 The idea which is nearly universally present amongst both the eastern guru 
movements and the new age and Eckhart Tolle style I am awakened, not 
enlightened crowd that being enlightened or awakened has nothing to do with 
behavior is complete bullshit.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing

2014-05-19 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]


 Funny thing this, I do TM twice a day and have never felt demeaned by a Barry 
rap on the TMO, in fact I agree with a lot of it as I worked there too and saw 
much unwitting (perhaps) cultish behaviour and plain gullibility and stupidity 
from my fellow devotees.  
 

 Much of B's three posts on the subject today rang true, I know people still 
who don't do exercise because they think it will stress them in some way. I 
knew people who believe the secret to long life is not breathing too much. 
 

 Seems to me that you can believe whatever crap you like about meditation and 
enlightenment, it won't make it any more or less likely. You've got it or you 
haven't I suspect.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 The reason you get attacked, Barry, is that you're so fucking nasty in sharing 
your great wisdom with us. You make all kinds of gratuitously demeaning 
assumptions about the TMers here, many if not most of which are simply not 
true; and you consistently exalt yourself as superior. Plus which, many of your 
ideas are shallow and poorly thought out, not to mention repeated over and 
over and OVER again. 

 You pretend to be doing all this to be helpful, but that's bullshit. You do it 
because you get off on insulting people. You may have earned the right to 
challenge ideas, but you haven't earned the right to dump on the people who 
hold them.
 

 

 
 

 

 Here's the FFL dynamic, as I see it. I and a few others labeled as critics 
make a few statements challenging the sense of elitism and entitlement and 
specialness that TMers have been taught to feel about themselves. They react 
*not* to the actual points we raise, but by attacking us personally, and trying 
to get us. And by trying to encourage others to attack us, too. We challenge 
*ideas*, and they try to attack *us*. 

I am merely presenting alternative points of view on a number of subjects 
relative to the world of meditation, self discovery, and pursuit of that crazy 
thing some call enlightenment. They are in fact often my points of view, 
although they are not always my *only* points of view on the subjects. I feel I 
have *earned* these points of view on the basis of long experience with TM, the 
TMO, with other spiritual traditions, and as the result of a lifetime's worth 
of questioning pretty much *everything* and attempting to see it in new and 
interesting ways. 

I contend that trying to shoot the messenger rather than dealing with the 
message itself is a pretty puny and lazy-ass way of presenting oneself as 
spiritual. If that's the only intellectual tool these TMers have in their 
arsenal after all these decades of practice, it really doesn't say much about 
the value of the TM technique and philosophy, does it?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heretical Heresy


On 5/19/2014 6:29 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
I am joined in this company by a few other often-demonized voices on 
this forum, from Curtis to Sam Harris who (gasp) may not have any use 
for the notion of God or devotion to a path supposedly leading to some 
supposedly cool thing called enlightenment. But we all still meditate, 
and we all still think meditation has its place, and is valuable in 
many ways. 


This is starting to sound like Barry did another 180. Everyone meditates 
a few times a day. There's probably not a person on the entire planet 
that doesn't pause once or twice a day to think things over. And, we are 
all transcending all the time. So, in this message we have a set of 
people who have denigrated meditation for years, in Barry's case, 
fourteen years on the internet, who are now saying they are meditating?


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing

2014-05-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

But Judy, don't you see the pious little halo above his head? I love it when he 
pulls his Saint Barry trip - the last resort.  

 Let's see, he's tried shooting the messenger, flip-flopping like a fish on a 
boat bottom, doubling down, reversing course, reloading, and shooting the 
messenger, again, calling it all BS and he never believed it anyway, reloading 
a third time, trying to buddy up with anybody who will listen, and now, 
finally, this, the pious little schoolboy, who is only trying to generously 
share his life's wisdom, and never meant anyone anything more than the sweet 
truth, as sweet as sugar, to spread amongst ourselves.  

 Really nauseating.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 The reason you get attacked, Barry, is that you're so fucking nasty in sharing 
your great wisdom with us. You make all kinds of gratuitously demeaning 
assumptions about the TMers here, many if not most of which are simply not 
true; and you consistently exalt yourself as superior. Plus which, many of your 
ideas are shallow and poorly thought out, not to mention repeated over and 
over and OVER again. 

 You pretend to be doing all this to be helpful, but that's bullshit. You do it 
because you get off on insulting people. You may have earned the right to 
challenge ideas, but you haven't earned the right to dump on the people who 
hold them.
 

 

 
 

 

 Here's the FFL dynamic, as I see it. I and a few others labeled as critics 
make a few statements challenging the sense of elitism and entitlement and 
specialness that TMers have been taught to feel about themselves. They react 
*not* to the actual points we raise, but by attacking us personally, and trying 
to get us. And by trying to encourage others to attack us, too. We challenge 
*ideas*, and they try to attack *us*. 

I am merely presenting alternative points of view on a number of subjects 
relative to the world of meditation, self discovery, and pursuit of that crazy 
thing some call enlightenment. They are in fact often my points of view, 
although they are not always my *only* points of view on the subjects. I feel I 
have *earned* these points of view on the basis of long experience with TM, the 
TMO, with other spiritual traditions, and as the result of a lifetime's worth 
of questioning pretty much *everything* and attempting to see it in new and 
interesting ways. 

I contend that trying to shoot the messenger rather than dealing with the 
message itself is a pretty puny and lazy-ass way of presenting oneself as 
spiritual. If that's the only intellectual tool these TMers have in their 
arsenal after all these decades of practice, it really doesn't say much about 
the value of the TM technique and philosophy, does it?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing

2014-05-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Barry is hardly the one to be pointing fingers at others, because of their 
life-style or behavior.  

 Sure the TMO is screwed up in some ways. We all know that. However, Barry just 
uses that as an excuse to trot out the same old crap. The beef I have with him, 
is, he is badly confused with regards to his understanding, and experience, of 
enlightenment - established silence, Being - and his arrogance and ignorance in 
dealing with the subject, publicly, needs to be called out, in my opinion. 
 

 He is a BSer, with little relevant experience, masquerading as something quite 
different. A phony. After he acknowledges that, explicitly, he can say whatever 
he wants to, on here, without interference from me.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 Funny thing this, I do TM twice a day and have never felt demeaned by a Barry 
rap on the TMO, in fact I agree with a lot of it as I worked there too and saw 
much unwitting (perhaps) cultish behaviour and plain gullibility and stupidity 
from my fellow devotees.  
 

 Much of B's three posts on the subject today rang true, I know people still 
who don't do exercise because they think it will stress them in some way. I 
knew people who believe the secret to long life is not breathing too much. 
 

 Seems to me that you can believe whatever crap you like about meditation and 
enlightenment, it won't make it any more or less likely. You've got it or you 
haven't I suspect.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 The reason you get attacked, Barry, is that you're so fucking nasty in sharing 
your great wisdom with us. You make all kinds of gratuitously demeaning 
assumptions about the TMers here, many if not most of which are simply not 
true; and you consistently exalt yourself as superior. Plus which, many of your 
ideas are shallow and poorly thought out, not to mention repeated over and 
over and OVER again. 

 You pretend to be doing all this to be helpful, but that's bullshit. You do it 
because you get off on insulting people. You may have earned the right to 
challenge ideas, but you haven't earned the right to dump on the people who 
hold them.
 

 

 
 

 

 Here's the FFL dynamic, as I see it. I and a few others labeled as critics 
make a few statements challenging the sense of elitism and entitlement and 
specialness that TMers have been taught to feel about themselves. They react 
*not* to the actual points we raise, but by attacking us personally, and trying 
to get us. And by trying to encourage others to attack us, too. We challenge 
*ideas*, and they try to attack *us*. 

I am merely presenting alternative points of view on a number of subjects 
relative to the world of meditation, self discovery, and pursuit of that crazy 
thing some call enlightenment. They are in fact often my points of view, 
although they are not always my *only* points of view on the subjects. I feel I 
have *earned* these points of view on the basis of long experience with TM, the 
TMO, with other spiritual traditions, and as the result of a lifetime's worth 
of questioning pretty much *everything* and attempting to see it in new and 
interesting ways. 

I contend that trying to shoot the messenger rather than dealing with the 
message itself is a pretty puny and lazy-ass way of presenting oneself as 
spiritual. If that's the only intellectual tool these TMers have in their 
arsenal after all these decades of practice, it really doesn't say much about 
the value of the TM technique and philosophy, does it?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?

2014-05-19 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

Nope, not Johnny Rotten. A couple years back I started seeing this guy
at the nearby Nob Hill Supermarket. Then a few months back a friend who
built some of the homes in my neighborhood told me he built a big one
behind me for a doctor and the doctor sold it to a rock star. A
couple weeks ago I was at the store and looked over and he was shopping
a couple feet from me. I also know the cousin of someone who played in
his band.

Baker rips Bonham in the documentary. Fun seeing Neil Peart in the
film because my students in the 1980s wanted to play like him. Of
course they didn't want to do the homework required.

On 05/19/2014 10:35 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

You live next door to Johnny Rotten? Poor you!

I've got a live Cream DVD and they are superb but he isn't me
favourite drummer, too skittery for me, I prefer the solidity of John
Bonham. Cream were better than the sum of their parts I think, I never
liked Clapton much afterwards either.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

Yes, he is quite acerbic. A true pitta! In fact you'll notice in the
trailer at the end he is hitting the guy doing the documentary with
his cane.

I saw him play with the Cream and Stevie Winwood but never met the
guy. If I did I'm sure we would have sat around talking drums.

BTW, I see one of my neighbors is also in the trailer.

On 05/19/2014 09:40 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

I heard a good story about Ginge, don't know if it's true but
apparently he used to work in a bank and one day told the manager
that he was quitting to become a famous drummer. The manager said but
you don't play drums, and Ginge replied, not yet!

He came across as a total asshole in a recent interview though:

Meeting Ginger Baker: an experience to forget
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2013/may/15/ginger-baker-beware-mr-baker-interview

image
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2013/may/15/ginger-baker-beware-mr-baker-interview

Meeting Ginger Baker: an experience to forget
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2013/may/15/ginger-baker-beware-mr-baker-interview

How an onstage QA with the great drummer turned into a professional
horror show

View on www.theguardian.com
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2013/may/15/ginger-baker-beware-mr-baker-interview

Preview by Yahoo

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@...
mailto:noozguru@... wrote :

BTW, this documentary is excellent. I highly recommend it to those
interested in the era and what an unusual character Baker is. He
never has thought of himself as a rock drummer but a jazz drummer.
In fact I recall that one of my drum teachers pointed out that Baker
was not playing the typical rock backup but more like African
drumming otherwise the Cream being a trio would have sounded thin. I
also suspect that the conflict between him and Jack Bruce was due to
the bass versus drummer control of time.

Trailer:
http://youtu.be/wqrigN8jxj8

The film on Netflix WI:
https://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/70234494

On 05/17/2014 12:56 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

For those interested and have Netflix WI, the Ginger Baker
documentary is available there.

On 05/17/2014 12:24 AM, cardemaister@...
mailto:cardemaister@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

I've heard in Africa the criterion for a real drummer is the
ability to sing whilst drumming.

By that criterion I'm not a drummer, but drumming is one of the
few things I really love

(and my neighbors hate, LOL?).

I especially like to put a metronome at something like 140 -
150 BPS and play some quite heavily

syncopating, almost totally improvised rhythms over(?) it.

Another thing I like is to play in 3/4ths so that it sounds as
funny as possible...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/8495362998/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moses and Consciousness

2014-05-19 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Right, Jews, orthodox Jews, are still waiting for Messiah and Christians, the 
second coming. Both Christian and Jews will be looking for what you described 
that Jews were looking for in the first place, Lion of Judah, the judge, 
leveler of scores, restoring righteousness etc etc . However, Christians 
perceived Jesus not as a judge but as the Suffering servant(Isaiah 53), the 
lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world. Same person different 
missions. This offers all of mankind, Jew and gentile, an opportunity to get it 
right or at least put on the path to getting it right before the judgment.
On Monday, May 19, 2014 10:18 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
  


  
Mike,

That was a good catch you made.  Nonetheless, my point is that there is a lot 
of wisdom in the OT texts if one looks at it from both the literal and symbolic 
sense.  IMO, however, the Jews are still taking the coming of the messiah, as 
prophesied by Isaiah and the other prophets, in the literal sense.  They're 
expecting a world leader who would deliver the Jews into a renaissance of 
grandeur and power that King David had in the past.

So, that's why the Jews would not and could not accept the message of Jesus.  
They considered him blasphemous and at best insane.

This is also why the Jews are still battling the other tribes in the Middle 
East today.  When will it end?  As an aside, there was a CBS report, a few 
years ago, stating that the Jewish messiah came and is living in New York.  He 
was old Hasidic Jew and I'm not sure if he's still alive.  By the looks of it, 
nothing significant has happened in Israel.  So, life goes on.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :


 Ah, that was Jacob that wrestled with an angel  and then was renamed *Israel*. 
At the time of Jacobs birth , he also wrestled with his brother, grabbing his 
heal, trying to be the first out of the womb so that he would inherit the birth 
right of the *first born*. He lost that battle but tricked his brother and 
father out of the blessing anyway and became the father of the twelve tribes of 
Israel. Jacob was also a very shrewed businessman and became very wealthy, 
cleverly negotiating deals with people he did business
with.Unfortunately, many anti- Semites( Hitler, David Duke,  etc) use the story 
of Jacob to claim that Jews are tricky and will steal from the gentiles and are 
not to be trusted. In fact, Jacob was blessed with more awareness, greater 
intelligence and nature supported that quality. The rich get richer and the 
poor get poorer. Doesn't sound very nice but that is the force of evolution at 
work.
On Sunday, May 18, 2014 6:56 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


 
Mike,

You've got a point there.  I can think of a passage where I believe it was 
Abram who struggled with an unknown heavenly entity through the night and won.  
He asked, what is your name?

It was at this time, as I recall, he was renamed Abraham and was granted the 
destiny of having descendants as many as the stars in the sky.

There's also the story of Jacob's dream about a ladder to heaven.  The ladder 
could be interpreted as the various chakras in the human body, which signify 
the various states of consciousness, culminating in a heavenly state which can 
correspond to cosmic consciousness or brahman consciousness.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
mdixon.6569@... wrote :


The Bible is loaded with personal experiences of pure awareness, so said 
Maharishi. He had one group read the pslams at one point on our six month 
course. Personally, I had never read the Bible until a few years ago. When I 
did, it knocked my socks off! The pages were full of experiences I had been 
having all along for years in meditation. The Bible expresses many of these 
events as happening on the gross physical plain of existence when in fact many 
were inner experiences in awareness.
On Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:12 AM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


 
Mike,

That's a good point too.  So, one can say that this was the experience that 
Moses had in Mount Zion, in symbolic language.  And, the principles he cognized 
as necessary for the development of consciousness are the Ten Commandments that 
were etched in stone.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :


The burning bush was an experience, while absorbed in pure awareness. 
On Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:04 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :


He may have predated MMY by discussing consciousness as basis of all knowledge 
in the Bible passage:

I AM WHO
AM

Popeye saw the wisdom of that too


I don't believe the Hebrews knew what he was trying to convey back then. But 
most people today don't know either.

The burning bush that he used as a writing symbolism could
be interpreted as the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: 8 of the World's Most Beautiful Gardens, How Your Mind Impacts Your Metabolism, Is Gluten 'Sensitivity' Real?

2014-05-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

vegetarian - schmegetarian - seems like a convenient excuse for hand-wringing, 
and navel-gazing, by some. Which reminds me, my newly favorite burger joint, is 
open for lunch...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 In 1972 when an ND told me I couldn't be a vegetarian because I was already 
showing signs of anemia after just two weeks of trying a veggie diet, he also 
told me that most people could get by one eating animal protein two or three 
times a week.  On some of the political boards the vegan liberals hate me 
because I advocate biochemical individuality.  They often have anecdotal claims 
that they have been doing just fine on a vegan diet.  So I often tell them we 
need to put them on a treadmill and see how they do. 
 
 They also get miffed when I point to the Meatless Mondays movement which 
claims if people didn't eat meat one day a week then climate change could be 
prevented.
 
 On 05/19/2014 09:11 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   I remember hearing in nutrition class, the average protein requirement is 60 
grams a day - I need more like a hundred, and can't do strict veggy - need meat 
at least once a week. When I worked for the movement I craved sugar constantly 
because I wasn't getting enough protein - got plenty of zucchini, though. :-)

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Thinking definitely effects but unfortunately just not enough to correct a 
long term imbalance.  Tonifying = to tone up the body.  For instance I knew a 
TM teacher who was a former university varsity football player who drug himself 
around trying live on a vegetarian diet.  He could only work 4 hours then go 
home and collapse.  He and his wife got into metabolic typing and learned that 
he was a big guy his body needed more protein to maintain itself.  
 
 On 05/19/2014 04:27 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Bhairitu, all I'm thinking is that it's a fascinating finding that one's 
thoughts about a food can affect how much chemical one's body produces. What is 
tonifying?
 
 On Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:49 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 
   If you're thinking that a fast oxidizer can fool the body into using a 
vegetarian diet it won't work because there are other factors involved.  Dr. Oz 
simplified things a lot but those more savvy about biochemical individuality 
would realize he was basing his test more on Yin and  Yang factors since Yin = 
sweet and Yang = salty.  Those of us with ancestors who lived in colder 
climates ate meat because not only was it handy because veggies didn't grow so 
well in winter but it also warmed us because it made our blood more acidic.  In 
warmer climes and summer we do better with more alkalinizing foods because it's 
the heat makes us more acidic. IOW, it's a balancing act.
 
 Of course you can't just jump into this without considering how much your body 
is already run down and may need a program to rebuild itself.  Too many 
ignorant health nuts focus on the reduction or detoxification phase and 
become weak and sick.  There needs to be a tonifying phase but many due to 
philosophical or idealogical nutrition won't do it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heretical Heresy

2014-05-19 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]


On 5/19/2014 6:29 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
If TM cost less, and were not taught by a cult whose primary goal is 
to recruit new members of the cult to fill its coffers, I'd be able to 
suggest that people learn it.


180. Go figure.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on witnessing

2014-05-19 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Demeaning the TMO is one thing. Demeaning the TMers here is quite another. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 Funny thing this, I do TM twice a day and have never felt demeaned by a Barry 
rap on the TMO, in fact I agree with a lot of it as I worked there too and saw 
much unwitting (perhaps) cultish behaviour and plain gullibility and stupidity 
from my fellow devotees.  
 

 Much of B's three posts on the subject today rang true, I know people still 
who don't do exercise because they think it will stress them in some way. I 
knew people who believe the secret to long life is not breathing too much. 
 

 Seems to me that you can believe whatever crap you like about meditation and 
enlightenment, it won't make it any more or less likely. You've got it or you 
haven't I suspect.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 The reason you get attacked, Barry, is that you're so fucking nasty in sharing 
your great wisdom with us. You make all kinds of gratuitously demeaning 
assumptions about the TMers here, many if not most of which are simply not 
true; and you consistently exalt yourself as superior. Plus which, many of your 
ideas are shallow and poorly thought out, not to mention repeated over and 
over and OVER again. 

 You pretend to be doing all this to be helpful, but that's bullshit. You do it 
because you get off on insulting people. You may have earned the right to 
challenge ideas, but you haven't earned the right to dump on the people who 
hold them.
 

 

 
 

 

 Here's the FFL dynamic, as I see it. I and a few others labeled as critics 
make a few statements challenging the sense of elitism and entitlement and 
specialness that TMers have been taught to feel about themselves. They react 
*not* to the actual points we raise, but by attacking us personally, and trying 
to get us. And by trying to encourage others to attack us, too. We challenge 
*ideas*, and they try to attack *us*. 

I am merely presenting alternative points of view on a number of subjects 
relative to the world of meditation, self discovery, and pursuit of that crazy 
thing some call enlightenment. They are in fact often my points of view, 
although they are not always my *only* points of view on the subjects. I feel I 
have *earned* these points of view on the basis of long experience with TM, the 
TMO, with other spiritual traditions, and as the result of a lifetime's worth 
of questioning pretty much *everything* and attempting to see it in new and 
interesting ways. 

I contend that trying to shoot the messenger rather than dealing with the 
message itself is a pretty puny and lazy-ass way of presenting oneself as 
spiritual. If that's the only intellectual tool these TMers have in their 
arsenal after all these decades of practice, it really doesn't say much about 
the value of the TM technique and philosophy, does it?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heretical Heresy

2014-05-19 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]


On 5/19/2014 6:29 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

Witnessing, schmitnessing. Minor brain fart, not worth focusing on much...


It might be a good time to define what we mean by witnessing.

Witness:

To see, hear, or experience something firsthand, that serves as evidence 
or a sign of personal observation.


Witnessing:

To experience pure consciousness, that consciousness that knows itself, 
that underlies all things and events in creation, even in the absence of 
any physical properties; knowledge that pure consciousness /experiences 
itself/ as the imperishable Being, Logos - transcendental knowledge, gnosis.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?

2014-05-19 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 Nope, not Johnny Rotten.  A couple years back I started seeing this guy at the 
nearby Nob Hill Supermarket.  Then a few months back a friend who built some of 
the homes in my neighborhood told me he built a big one behind me  for a doctor 
and the doctor sold it to a rock star.  A couple weeks ago I was at the store 
and looked over and he was shopping a couple feet from me.  I also know the 
cousin of someone who played in his band.
 
Chad Smith? That would be cool, I'd be round there getting all When the levee 
breaks on his kit.

 Baker rips Bonham in the documentary.  Fun seeing  Neil Peart in the film 
because my students in the 1980s wanted to play like him.  Of course they 
didn't want to do the homework required.
 

 LOL, jazz drummers hate rockers don't they? Neil Peart is mostly self-taught 
funnily enough, did some great pioneering stuff with electronic drums in the 
80's. My favourite Rush period.
 

 This is funny:
 

 Buddy Rich on why he doesn't use match grip 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0V4Aqs2D48 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0V4Aqs2D48 
 
 Buddy Rich on why he doesn't use match grip 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0V4Aqs2D48 Taken from the 1977 documentary 
series All You Need is Love charting the history of popular music.
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0V4Aqs2D48 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 I like the deliberate strawman rock rhythm he does. Horses for courses I say.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Another lost Maharishi teaching that was WRONG


Prattle.

On 5/19/2014 4:33 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Having picnicked peacefully with friends on a grassy lawn beside a 
canal yesterday and watched the folks participating in the Leiden 
Marathon run by, I found myself wondering what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
-- at least the one from Squaw Valley 1967 and for years afterwards, 
before any traces of a certain teaching were eradicated from tapes 
-- would have thought of them.


Based on what he said on that course and several afterwards, I suspect 
he would have said that these people running by were committing a form 
of suicide. They were, after all increasing their breath rate. And, as 
he explained in so many of those lectures, according to the Hindu 
superstitions he believed we are all born with a predetermined, finite 
number of breaths. So anything that increases the breath rate is BAD 
FOR YOU. It'll shorten your life and make you DIE. Sooner than your 
predetermined time, although I never quite understood how he managed 
to work the free will that allowed people to enjoy running or 
exercising into his notions of predeterminism. :-)


Like so many of his teachings that fell by the wayside, this theory 
was carefully excised from his books and tapes to make the older ones 
more consistent with his latest, greatest takes on the human 
condition. They were deemed Not Ready For Prime Time and censored.


This all strikes me as funny because I'm in the process of writing up 
some research from the University of Basel that indicates that 
endurance sports not only change the condition and fitness of muscles 
but also simultaneously improve the neuronal connections to the muscle 
fibers based on a muscle-induced feedback. Not only does running make 
you fitter and enable you to live longer (that has been proven so 
often as to no longer be in question), it improves the functioning of 
your nervous system and your brain's ability to interact with your 
muscles and respond to outside stimuli in a more accurate manner.


But you'll never find the Maharishi teaching that disputes this in 
any TMO publication, because they've all been censored to remove any 
traces of his earlier superstition-based teaching.


Yet another example of how the enlightened can be shown to never 
have been wrong. Just practice revisionist history, remove all 
traces of the earlier idiotic idea, and voila! -- the teacher is made 
to look perfect, and all traces of the wrong ideas are gone. 




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Another lost Maharishi teaching that was WRONG

2014-05-19 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 5/19/2014 4:33 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Having picnicked peacefully with friends on a grassy lawn beside a 
canal yesterday and watched the folks participating in the Leiden 
Marathon run by...


So, you're a /witness/ to some folks running by a canal yesterday while 
you /picnicked/ on a grassy knoll with some friends. Go figure.


Exercise is obviously a good thing, and so I can't imagine MMY saying 
anything negative about it, seeing as how /it was he/ who recommended a 
/Six Months Course/ and a /One Year Course/ in hatha yoga and pranyama. 
Go figure.


One of the most damaging things a person can do to their body is to sit 
around all day working on a computer. For the past three years I've been 
trying to reverse the ill effects of this damage - by running, swimming, 
biking, and going to a YMCA gym every day to do weight training. Not to 
build big muscles, but to regain range of motion and some muscle mass 
and maybe increase my stamina. It is a fact that exercise promotes good 
health and extends one's quality of life by increasing in the uptake of 
norepinephrine, dopamine and serotonin, which provides a feeling of 
well-being.


Of course, Barry probably can't keep up with me on the treadmill, or 
rowing and biking, even though he's younger than I am, but there is /at 
least one thing/ that Barry is apparently doing - /aimless walking/. 
It's not complicated.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Yoga for Endurance

2014-05-19 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 5/19/2014 2:04 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 Take life as it comes.
 
The Doors - Take It As It Comes
http://youtu.be/Vp_tjYszBmQ

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Coffee Rust

2014-05-19 Thread j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 Infidel, you'll have to pry the Pegasus organic espresso roast from my cold, 
dead hands.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com wrote :

 I, for one, would like to see us Americans drink less coffee. It IS 
psychoactive, and we may just have less of a frenzy, in general, if we slowed 
down the caffeine intake a bit.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Just a little news that proves the idea of 8,000 yogic flyers doing anything 
positive in Latin America is a joke.
 

 You are, apparently, a very literal-minded man MJ.
 

 
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2014/05/09/central-american-fungus-cripples-coffee-crop-may-affect-us-prices/
 
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2014/05/09/central-american-fungus-cripples-coffee-crop-may-affect-us-prices/
 
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2014/05/09/central-american-fungus-cripples-coffee-crop-may-affect-us-prices/;
 
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 Central American Fungus Cripples Coffee Crop, May A... 
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 A fungus called “La Roya”—rust—has been decimating the coffee crop in Central 
America.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?

2014-05-19 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

Real drummers use all kinds of grips. It is a little hard to play thumbs 
up (often called French grip) matched on a set as Rich mentions but 
then you can hold the left the same as the right with the palms down 
with works well on a set.  The left hand grip came about trying to play 
a marching snare drum at an angle since the left side of the drum was 
higher than the right.


Baker is really good at phrasing.  More so that Rich.  But that's 
because Max Roach was a major influence on Baker.  Max Roach was a very 
melodic drummer.  I may have to get Baker's autobiography to find out 
how much he learned from Phil Seaman.  You usually can't pick up proper 
grips and technique on your own. The documentary mainly shows he learned 
how to be a junkie from Seaman.


On 05/19/2014 11:38 AM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

Nope, not Johnny Rotten.  A couple years back I started seeing this 
guy at the nearby Nob Hill Supermarket.  Then a few months back a 
friend who built some of the homes in my neighborhood told me he built 
a big one behind me for a doctor and the doctor sold it to a rock 
star. A couple weeks ago I was at the store and looked over and he 
was shopping a couple feet from me.  I also know the cousin of someone 
who played in his band.


Chad Smith? That would be cool, I'd be round there getting all When 
the levee breaks on his kit.


Baker rips Bonham in the documentary.  Fun seeing Neil Peart in the 
film because my students in the 1980s wanted to play like him.  Of 
course they didn't want to do the homework required.


LOL, jazz drummers hate rockers don't they? Neil Peart is mostly 
self-taught funnily enough, did some great pioneering stuff with 
electronic drums in the 80's. My favourite Rush period.


This is funny:

Buddy Rich on why he doesn't use match grip 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0V4Aqs2D48




image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0V4Aqs2D48


Buddy Rich on why he doesn't use match grip 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0V4Aqs2D48
Taken from the 1977 documentary series All You Need is Love charting 
the history of popular music.


View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0V4Aqs2D48

Preview by Yahoo


I like the deliberate strawman rock rhythm he does. Horses for courses 
I say.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moses and Consciousness

Mike, 

 Let me back track a little bit to the OT writings.  Among the Hebrews, there 
is no doubt that they accepted the stories in the Torah in the historical and 
literal sense.  But, IMO, Moses had already introduced the concept of 
consciousness as the basis of knowledge in Genesis and Exodus.
 

 By the time of Jesus, he already knew that the literal kingdom that the Jews 
understood was not the true message of the prophets.  He knew that the kingdom 
is really consciousness which is the basis of everything in the universe--a 
concept that is understood by only a few scientists today.
 

 From our perspective today, we can say that the entire OT is a chronicle of 
man's development in consciousness.  IOW, the exodus of the Jews from Egypt can 
be interpreted as the rise of consciousness from bondage or the lowest level of 
understanding--the first chakra.  The sojourn in the desert can be interpreted 
as the process of development to higher consciousness, or the rise of the 
kundalini to the higher chakras.
 

 The entry to the Promised Land can be understood as the attainment of 
self-realization, the highest level of consciousness or the rise of the 
kundalini to the sahasrara chakra.  In the human physiology, the land of milk 
and honey resides in the brain, the pineal gland specifically, where the bliss 
of self-realization is created.  These concepts are discussed by Santos 
Bonnacci in his video presentations at YouTube, if you are interested to watch 
them.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

 Right, Jews, orthodox Jews, are still waiting for Messiah and Christians, the 
second coming. Both Christian and Jews will be looking for what you described 
that Jews were looking for in the first place, Lion of Judah, the judge, 
leveler of scores, restoring righteousness etc etc . However, Christians 
perceived Jesus not as a judge but as the Suffering servant(Isaiah 53), the 
lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world. Same person different 
missions. This offers all of mankind, Jew and gentile, an opportunity to get it 
right or at least put on the path to getting it right before the judgment.
 On Monday, May 19, 2014 10:18 AM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   Mike,
 

 That was a good catch you made.  Nonetheless, my point is that there is a lot 
of wisdom in the OT texts if one looks at it from both the literal and symbolic 
sense.  IMO, however, the Jews are still taking the coming of the messiah, as 
prophesied by Isaiah and the other prophets, in the literal sense.  They're 
expecting a world leader who would deliver the Jews into a renaissance of 
grandeur and power that King David had in the past.
 

 So, that's why the Jews would not and could not accept the message of Jesus.  
They considered him blasphemous and at best insane.
 

 This is also why the Jews are still battling the other tribes in the Middle 
East today.  When will it end?  As an aside, there was a CBS report, a few 
years ago, stating that the Jewish messiah came and is living in New York.  He 
was old Hasidic Jew and I'm not sure if he's still alive.  By the looks of it, 
nothing significant has happened in Israel.  So, life goes on.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

  Ah, that was Jacob that wrestled with an angel  and then was renamed 
*Israel*. At the time of Jacobs birth , he also wrestled with his brother, 
grabbing his heal, trying to be the first out of the womb so that he would 
inherit the birth right of the *first born*. He lost that battle but tricked 
his brother and father out of the blessing anyway and became the father of the 
twelve tribes of Israel. Jacob was also a very shrewed businessman and became 
very wealthy, cleverly negotiating deals with people he did business 
with.Unfortunately, many anti- Semites( Hitler, David Duke,  etc) use the story 
of Jacob to claim that Jews are tricky and will steal from the gentiles and are 
not to be trusted. In fact, Jacob was blessed with more awareness, greater 
intelligence and nature supported that quality. The rich get richer and the 
poor get poorer. Doesn't sound very nice but that is the force of evolution at 
work.
 On Sunday, May 18, 2014 6:56 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   Mike,
 

 You've got a point there.  I can think of a passage where I believe it was 
Abram who struggled with an unknown heavenly entity through the night and won.  
He asked, what is your name?
 

 It was at this time, as I recall, he was renamed Abraham and was granted the 
destiny of having descendants as many as the stars in the sky.
 

 There's also the story of Jacob's dream about a ladder to heaven.  The ladder 
could be interpreted as the various chakras in the human body, which signify 
the various states of consciousness, culminating in a heavenly state which can 
correspond to cosmic consciousness or brahman consciousness.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Yoga for Endurance

Bhairitu, 

 There's nothing wrong with what your mother said.  She is or was a wise woman, 
whatever the case may be.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 That's what my mother always told me.  But also said, sometimes you gotta 
take the bull by the horns. :-D 
 
 On 05/19/2014 12:04 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   Take life as it comes.  Any other questions?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Yoga for Endurance

2014-05-19 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

Richard, 

 The Doors obviously had a different interpretation of this yoga.  Carry on.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 5/19/2014 2:04 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  Take life as it comes.
 
 The Doors - Take It As It Comes
 http://youtu.be/Vp_tjYszBmQ http://youtu.be/Vp_tjYszBmQ
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moses and Consciousness

On 5/18/2014 3:58 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
I believe the Bible is a text about the development and understanding 
of Consciousness within the Hebrew culture.


It might be easier to understand this Biblical quote in the light of 
shared traditions common along the Silk Road from Northern India to The 
Kings Highway in Judah:


And God said unto Moses, *I AM THAT I AM*: and he said, Thus shalt thou 
say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. - Exodus 
3:14, King James Bible


*You are that*. - Chandogya, 6.8.7

One of the five mahavakyas of Vedanta. The Self - in its original, pure, 
primordial state - /is wholly or partially identifiable or identical 
with the Ultimate Reality that is the ground and origin of all phenomena./


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tat_Tvam_Asi


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Coffee Rust

2014-05-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

That stuff is like crack - I used to get a double-espresso sometimes at an
Italian cafe in the Bay Area, and it would give me endless amounts of
energy...until it didn't. - sometimes, rarely, I'll still get one. Mostly I
drink Oregon brand Chai and the stuff is good - They chintzed out on the spices
a few years ago, and it bothered me then, but now I can't tell the difference.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :

Infidel, you'll have to pry the Pegasus organic espresso roast from my cold,
dead hands.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

I, for one, would like to see us Americans drink less coffee. It IS
psychoactive, and we may just have less of a frenzy, in general, if we slowed
down the caffeine intake a bit.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Just a little news that proves the idea of 8,000 yogic flyers doing anything
positive in Latin America is a joke.

You are, apparently, a very literal-minded man MJ.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2014/05/09/central-american-fungus-cripples-coffee-crop-may-affect-us-prices/

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A fungus called “La Roya”—rust—has been decimating the coffee crop in Central
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moses and Consciousness

2014-05-19 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 5/18/2014 12:23 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 The manna discussed in Exodus was supposedly the excretions on the 
 leaves of a certain plant...
 
Merkur traces a long line of historical figures who knew of Manna's 
secret but dared only make cryptic references to it for fear of 
persecution. Apparently psychedelics have played a role in nearly all 
religious traditions. In his book, McKenna proposed that the 
transformation from our early ancestors into Homo sapiens had to do with 
the addition of the mushroom Psilocybe cubensis to their diet. Go figure.

'Food of the Gods'
The Search for the Original Tree of Knowledge
by Terence McKenna
Bantam, 1992

'Mushrooms and Mankind: The Impact of Mushrooms on Human Consciousness 
and Religion'
by James Arthur
The Book Tree, 2003

Read more:

From: willy...@yahoo.com
Subject: Nectar of the Gods? Part 3
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2004 10:38 pm
http://tinyurl.com/2k5dxf

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Not Repsonsible

2014-05-19 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]



I wasn't commenting on what Barry had previously said on other forums - I was 
and am addressing what he said here, today. And if you want to throw down on 
someone for changing their story, whey not start with Mahesh Prasad Varmint.

O, all yew need is TM. Just meditate twice a day. Never pay attention to 
or attempt to develop powers, siddhis.

Ohhh, now you need to come pay some big money for the shddhi program! I'll 
teach you to walk through walls and levitate!

But don't pay attention to the powers, even though we been advertising with 
posters showing people seeming to flying.

What! You aren't flying yet!?! Its your own fault, you have too much stress in 
your nervous system. Just keep coming on courses and do that program!

The siddhis are 10,000 times more powerful than TM alone, so the practice of 
TMSP will accelerate your path to enlightenment.

What! No one is enlightened yet? Well, see it really don't have nothin' to do 
with enlightenment, its all about changing the atmosphere of the world, and to 
do that you gots to do TMSP IN GROUPS! That's the most important thing!

In addition to group practice of TMSP, you need to take various ayurvedic 
nostrums, pay for various ayurvedic routines, have ongoing jyotish charts done, 
pay for very expensive jyotish gems, get various Marshy approved healings from 
Indian healers, move into Marshy designed homes that guarantee a good life, pay 
for pundits to do yagyas, pay for yagyas for yourself, pay me to have Peace 
Palaces, Towers of Invincibility, buy plastic vedic observatory models and on 
an on.


Golly, did I ever teach that TM was all you needed? Ooppss!



 From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Not Repsonsible
 


  
One more time:

What if what has been described as enlightenment in the past
has *absolutely nothing* to do with personality or behavior?
What if, just as those who described it in the past have said,
it is purely about consciousness, having the ability to directly
perceive eternality 24/7, and that ability has *absolutely nothing*
to do with what is going on simultaneously in terms of
personality and behavior?

--Barry Wright, awhile back on alt.m.t


Barry hit the nail on the head. This post is pure gold.

(snip)
 
The idea which is nearly universally present amongst both the eastern guru 
movements and the new age and Eckhart Tolle style I am awakened, not 
enlightened crowd that being enlightened or awakened has nothing to do with 
behavior is complete bullshit.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Not Repsonsible

2014-05-19 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Comments below...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 

 I wasn't commenting on what Barry had previously said on other forums
 

 You didn't know that he had said this.
 

  - I was and am addressing what he said here, today. And if you want to throw 
down on someone for changing their story, whey not start with Mahesh Prasad 
Varmint.
 

 I'm not throwing down on Barry. I just thought you might find it of interest 
that he's done a 180 on that particular point. I didn't realize that would make 
him a scumbag like Maharishi in your eyes.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moses and Consciousness