[FairfieldLife] Ravi (was: The real nature of transcendence)
Based on things that I remember Ravi and Rick saying way back when, my take on it is this. Ravi was married to a woman who was an ardent Amma follower. She dragged him to Amma gatherings and courses, but he always felt out of place because (according to him) his wife and all of her friends tended to treat him as if he were not terribly bright and low-vibe. (Both of which, of course, were true.) Some people have short-lived flashy experiences after getting hugged by Amma, and I guess Ravi had one of those experiences. But then he parlayed that into claiming that he'd had some major realization experience. From what he said about it later on FFL, I suspect he did this just to get back at his wife and her friends by claiming to be even more advanced than they were. (He later admitted to having made up most of these good experiences in posts to FFL.) Anyway, word of this guy who was going around claiming to have been enlightened by Amma reached Rick, and he interviewed Ravi for BATGAP. As I remember hearing, Rick was not very pleased with the video, because Ravi spent part of it raving negatively about his wife (soon to be ex-wife, as she dumped him shortly thereafter and, as I remember, even had to take out a restraining order to keep him away from their kids) and all the terrible things he wanted to do to her. Nevertheless, Rick invited Ravi to FFL, and that is where the real craziness started. Given some attention, he quickly became so abusive that people (including Judy and a number of others who later became his enablers once he began to attack *their* enemies*) suggested that he was seriously disturbed and needed professional help. At one point he even claimed to have checked himself into a mental institution, which turned out to be yet another of his lies. He continued to be a problem on Fairfield Life for some time after that, until Rick finally tired of him trying to fuck up Curtis' reputation and career and finally booted him off. From my side the danger of people like Ravi is two-fold. First, he managed to talk the talk of someone having a realization experience well enough that Rick was completely fooled, and interviewed him for his show. That speaks of incredibly low standards being used to determine enlightenment. For me and a few other FFL posters, from Day One on FFL there was *simply no question* that Ravi was both mentally ill, and potentially dangerously so. He raved about the abusive things he had done to his wife, and the even more abusive things he wanted to do to her in the future. He was abusive to other people on the forum, and often bragged about things that no sane person would even admit to on a public forum (like buying drinks for underage girls in an attempt to get them to fuck him). The second reason I think he was dangerous is that he was the classic example of what happens when you give a mentally ill person an audience. He only started to go REALLY crazy when he developed fans here on Fairfield Life, people who glommed on to his craziness and *applauded it*, because he was attacking people *they* didn't like (like Curtis and Vaj and myself). It was a clear case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and a LOT of people here wound up *enabling* his insanity, and thus IMO causing his mental illness to get worse. I was a proponent of leaving his original BATGAP interview up for all these reasons. Ravi was a big, red, flashing warning sign of 1) what happens when people have such low standards that they believe that a crazy person claiming to be enlightened is enlightened, rather than crazy, and 2) what happens when they give such a crazy person an audience to feed their ego. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I wonder what led Rick to interview him to start with? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Interesting that Rick finally yanked the Ravi video. I remember we (Rick and I) had a discussion about it on FFL once, and I was a proponent of leaving it up, *as a cautionary tale* of how badly Rick could fuck up and be taken in with regard to who is enlightened and who is not. I suggested that he leave the video up, but comment on it as I have above. Last I heard, that is what he had done. Too bad in many ways that it's no longer available. He was quite the loon. But more important, because of Rick he became for a short time a loon with a forum, and a loon with an audience for whom to act loony. That's very dangerous, and I still feel some kind of record of that should have been left. From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The real nature of transcendence And, on some hard drive somewhere, I have an .FLV file of it
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[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in Los Angeles
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in Los Angeles
excellent early footage of the Old Fraud laughing all the way to the bank
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in Los Angeles
here is a good one with Marshy talking the Devil and LSD with Malcom Muggeridge
6/6 Revival of understanding about life and living - Maharishi Muggeridge
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[FairfieldLife] When the Beatles met Marshy
When the Beatles met the Maharishi Yogi In a first extract from her forthcoming memoir A Silent Melody Shirley du Boulay remembers her encounter with the Beatles on their way to meet the Maharishi Yogi, and the Spiritual Regeneration Movement ... It was 1967 and I was working at the BBC as a Producer on Radio Four's 'Woman's Hour.' One of the people with whom I worked regularly was the controversial journalist Malcolm Muggeridge, witty, outrageous, for many years a devout and determined atheist but at the time on the brink of becoming a Christian. I asked him if he would like to interview the Maharishi and he was attracted by the idea. But unfortunately the BBC was not. They had barely heard of the Maharishi, in any case who, in 1967, wanted an Indian guru on the air? I returned to Malcolm with the news and to my delight he said, 'Well, let's do it anyway.' Clearly the idea of talking to the man who was to become known as the 'Giggling Guru' amused him vastly. So we arranged a day, I managed to borrow a BBC tape recorder and we met to record the interview in a house near the Albert Hall in London. Muggeridge was indeed amused, but far more than amused. He took the Maharishi very seriously and when, many years later and not long before he died, he was asked who the most memorable person he had ever interviewed he apparently said the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. We recorded for about an hour, then, as we left, I promised to try again to interest the BBC in the tape and we parted, he not even expecting a fee, which I appreciated because in the circumstances I was not sure how I could have arranged payment for him anyway. I was planning to go to Bangor for a weekend's seminar with the Maharishi, so I put the tapes in my case and set off for Euston. When I arrived I was amazed at the number of people there - far more than one would expect, even on a Friday afternoon. I eventually reached the train and met up with my friends, to learn that the reason for the crowds was that the Beatles were on the train, along with other pop stars like Mick Jagger and Marianne Faithful. They were coming to Bangor to hear the Maharishi. We were assigned various jobs to protect them; I remember I was asked to be sure that Marianne Faithfull did not go topless to see the Maharishi. I was also deputed to act as a waitress for our visitors - they would have been mobbed if they had tried to reach the canteen where the rest of us were eating. I liked them, particularly George Harrison. Somehow I sensed the depth of his spirituality coming through his gentle and polite manner. So the weekend continued in its surprising and unpredictable way - much of our time being spent keeping the press at bay, or ushering them in for short interviews. It was of course a gift to the media. The next morning's 'Today' programme carried interviews, the weekend papers were filled with pictures of the Beatles, sitting cross-legged with the Maharishi, garlanded with flowers and surrounded by guitars and sitars. And yes – when I returned to work at the BBC the world was waiting for my tapes (I never knew how they had got to hear of it) and a 30 minute space was cleared on Radio Four, then still known as the Home Service, for my previously unwanted interview between Malcolm Muggeridge and the Maharishi. So I learnt cynicism with regard to programming. The tape had not changed, nor had Malcolm Muggeridge and nor had the Maharishi, but overnight a pop group had made him famous. And incidentally Muggeridge's initiative was rewarded and he did get paid! The Spiritual Regeneration Movement had never seen anything like it and, in another and tragic way it was a momentous weekend for the Beatles too, for not only did they take the Maharishi's advice and publicly renounce drugs, but they also heard of the death of their manager, Brian Epstein: the inquest revealed he died from an overdose of sleeping tablets. The band knew very well how indebted they were to him; he had discovered them, guided them to mega-stardom and made them the most successful musical artists of all time. Without Brian, most people agree, the Beatles simply would not have existed. Soon the Beatles, along with Mia Farrow, Mike Love and Donovan and associated hangers on, agents, publicists and admirers, went to India to learn more about meditation. The press photographs grew ever more exotic, and though it was not to be a permanent bond, the connection between the pop group and the Maharishi was indelibly forged in the public mind. It created a huge interest in eastern mysticism and meditation. This was a mixed blessing, as the message was diluted, sometimes even polluted, and the wisdom of the east, as encountered in the west, began to lose something of its purity. A small instance has stayed with me. Mantra - a Sanskrit word meaning a sacred word or phrase of spiritual significance and
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Hi, Jim Flanegin here, a former poster to FFL. I invite anyone who likes a good conversation, to my new Yahoo Group, The Peak. the_peak-subscr...@yahoogroups.com The Peak is an ongoing conversation about our journey as human beings, upwards towards the pinnacle, and fulfillment of our existence; Enlightenment. Any other topics, such as politics, economics, sexuality, UFO's, every day life, designing umbrellas, and even religion, are welcome, too. This site is moderated, with the focus being on entertaining, civil, and interesting discussions. Thank you for contributing! We have about 25 members and about 1,000 posts, so far, in just a month, with a wide range of topics discussed. If you have an open mind, or even a mostly closed one, with a ray of light within that wishes to grow brighter, I invite you to please check out this alternative to FFL. Thanks!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscrtibe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL
As you may be suggesting, I think this phrase (carefully deleted in the second
version of his invite) may be irrelevant, since almost all of the
over-the-top insane people already left. :-)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Subscrtibe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : - without over the top insanity - LOL https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10906193_750877188352881_5194897103189749475_n.jpg?oh=44b37b09a61edac289fee5de1fcc1b17oe=54FE67EA__gda__=1430501430_9bb708f819952bda8b8d5c4fe4e4e812 https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-... https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10906193_750877188352881_5194897103189749475_n.jpg?oh=44b37b09a61edac289fee5de1fcc1b17oe=54FE67EA__gda__=1430501430_9bb708f819952bda8b8d5c4fe4e4e812 View on fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.aka... https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10906193_750877188352881_5194897103189749475_n.jpg?oh=44b37b09a61edac289fee5de1fcc1b17oe=54FE67EA__gda__=1430501430_9bb708f819952bda8b8d5c4fe4e4e812 Preview by Yahoo The above is my banner submission for your group, Jim. In the true spirit of positive, nice talk about true enlightenment, approved by real experts, TM nostalgia and so on..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Subscribe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL
Maybe I'm being a bit too sensitive, but the reverse_archery moniker suggests to me a cheap shot at Rick Archer which isn't needed.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ravi (was: The real nature of transcendence)
All the blabber about enlightenment or awakening is mostly bs to me. Most of the people who claim it use it to get followers to give them attention, sex and money. According to Liar Marshy, when folks get enlightened they light up the Universe and make all things smooth so to speak. That obviously isn't happening. So what good is any of it? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 5:07 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ravi (was: The real nature of transcendence) Based on things that I remember Ravi and Rick saying way back when, my take on it is this. Ravi was married to a woman who was an ardent Amma follower. She dragged him to Amma gatherings and courses, but he always felt out of place because (according to him) his wife and all of her friends tended to treat him as if he were not terribly bright and low-vibe. (Both of which, of course, were true.) Some people have short-lived flashy experiences after getting hugged by Amma, and I guess Ravi had one of those experiences. But then he parlayed that into claiming that he'd had some major realization experience. From what he said about it later on FFL, I suspect he did this just to get back at his wife and her friends by claiming to be even more advanced than they were. (He later admitted to having made up most of these good experiences in posts to FFL.) Anyway, word of this guy who was going around claiming to have been enlightened by Amma reached Rick, and he interviewed Ravi for BATGAP. As I remember hearing, Rick was not very pleased with the video, because Ravi spent part of it raving negatively about his wife (soon to be ex-wife, as she dumped him shortly thereafter and, as I remember, even had to take out a restraining order to keep him away from their kids) and all the terrible things he wanted to do to her. Nevertheless, Rick invited Ravi to FFL, and that is where the real craziness started. Given some attention, he quickly became so abusive that people (including Judy and a number of others who later became his enablers once he began to attack *their* enemies*) suggested that he was seriously disturbed and needed professional help. At one point he even claimed to have checked himself into a mental institution, which turned out to be yet another of his lies. He continued to be a problem on Fairfield Life for some time after that, until Rick finally tired of him trying to fuck up Curtis' reputation and career and finally booted him off. From my side the danger of people like Ravi is two-fold. First, he managed to talk the talk of someone having a realization experience well enough that Rick was completely fooled, and interviewed him for his show. That speaks of incredibly low standards being used to determine enlightenment. For me and a few other FFL posters, from Day One on FFL there was *simply no question* that Ravi was both mentally ill, and potentially dangerously so. He raved about the abusive things he had done to his wife, and the even more abusive things he wanted to do to her in the future. He was abusive to other people on the forum, and often bragged about things that no sane person would even admit to on a public forum (like buying drinks for underage girls in an attempt to get them to fuck him). The second reason I think he was dangerous is that he was the classic example of what happens when you give a mentally ill person an audience. He only started to go REALLY crazy when he developed fans here on Fairfield Life, people who glommed on to his craziness and *applauded it*, because he was attacking people *they* didn't like (like Curtis and Vaj and myself). It was a clear case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and a LOT of people here wound up *enabling* his insanity, and thus IMO causing his mental illness to get worse. I was a proponent of leaving his original BATGAP interview up for all these reasons. Ravi was a big, red, flashing warning sign of 1) what happens when people have such low standards that they believe that a crazy person claiming to be enlightened is enlightened, rather than crazy, and 2) what happens when they give such a crazy person an audience to feed their ego. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I wonder what led Rick to interview him to start with? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Interesting that Rick finally yanked the Ravi video. I remember we (Rick and I) had a discussion about it on FFL once, and I was a proponent of leaving it up, *as a cautionary tale* of how badly Rick could fuck up and be taken in with regard to who is enlightened and who is not. I suggested that he leave the video up, but comment on it as I have above. Last I heard, that is what
[FairfieldLife] Batvaita purifies the culture
http://existentialcomics.com/comic/61 http://existentialcomics.com/comic/61
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ravi (was: The real nature of transcendence)
For one thing one who is enlightened wouldn't be bothered by it and could care less what people who aren't say about it. :-D It's all line on water. Or air maybe. It's not elitist because anyone can achieve enlightenment. If brand x didn't work for your try brand y. On 12/30/2014 12:48 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: All the blabber about enlightenment or awakening is mostly bs to me. Most of the people who claim it use it to get followers to give them attention, sex and money. According to Liar Marshy, when folks get enlightened they light up the Universe and make all things smooth so to speak. That obviously isn't happening. So what good is any of it? *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 5:07 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Ravi (was: The real nature of transcendence) */Based on things that I remember Ravi and Rick saying way back when, my take on it is this. Ravi was married to a woman who was an ardent Amma follower. She dragged him to Amma gatherings and courses, but he always felt out of place because (according to him) his wife and all of her friends tended to treat him as if he were not terribly bright and low-vibe. (Both of which, of course, were true.) /* */ /* */Some people have short-lived flashy experiences after getting hugged by Amma, and I guess Ravi had one of those experiences. But then he parlayed that into claiming that he'd had some major realization experience. From what he said about it later on FFL, I suspect he did this just to get back at his wife and her friends by claiming to be even more advanced than they were. (He later admitted to having made up most of these good experiences in posts to FFL.) /* */ /* */Anyway, word of this guy who was going around claiming to have been enlightened by Amma reached Rick, and he interviewed Ravi for BATGAP. As I remember hearing, Rick was not very pleased with the video, because Ravi spent part of it raving negatively about his wife (soon to be ex-wife, as she dumped him shortly thereafter and, as I remember, even had to take out a restraining order to keep him away from their kids) and all the terrible things he wanted to do to her. /* */ /* */Nevertheless, Rick invited Ravi to FFL, and that is where the real craziness started. Given some attention, he quickly became so abusive that people (including Judy and a number of others who later became his enablers once he began to attack *their* enemies*) suggested that he was seriously disturbed and needed professional help. At one point he even claimed to have checked himself into a mental institution, which turned out to be yet another of his lies. He continued to be a problem on Fairfield Life for some time after that, until Rick finally tired of him trying to fuck up Curtis' reputation and career and finally booted him off. /* */ /* */From my side the danger of people like Ravi is two-fold. First, he managed to talk the talk of someone having a realization experience well enough that Rick was completely fooled, and interviewed him for his show. That speaks of incredibly low standards being used to determine enlightenment. For me and a few other FFL posters, from Day One on FFL there was *simply no question* that Ravi was both mentally ill, and potentially dangerously so. He raved about the abusive things he had done to his wife, and the even more abusive things he wanted to do to her in the future. He was abusive to other people on the forum, and often bragged about things that no sane person would even admit to on a public forum (like buying drinks for underage girls in an attempt to get them to fuck him). /* */ /* */The second reason I think he was dangerous is that he was the classic example of what happens when you give a mentally ill person an audience. He only started to go REALLY crazy when he developed fans here on Fairfield Life, people who glommed on to his craziness and *applauded it*, because he was attacking people *they* didn't like (like Curtis and Vaj and myself). It was a clear case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and a LOT of people here wound up *enabling* his insanity, and thus IMO causing his mental illness to get worse. /* */ /* */I was a proponent of leaving his original BATGAP interview up for all these reasons. Ravi was a big, red, flashing warning sign of 1) what happens when people have such low standards that they believe that a crazy person claiming to be enlightened is enlightened, rather than crazy, and 2) what happens when they give such a crazy person an audience to feed their ego. /* *From:* Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
[FairfieldLife] Re: When the Beatles met Marshy
it is good some people like Sir PM keep up their TM and are fully lively in the present and not stuck in the dead past like MJ and his toothless anti-science Lady. Paul McCartney on the Change Begins Within Benefit Concert | David Lynch Foundation Television http://dlf.tv/2009/paul-mccartney/ http://dlf.tv/2009/paul-mccartney/ Paul McCartney on the Change Begins Within Benef... http://dlf.tv/2009/paul-mccartney/ The Online TV Channel that celebrates consciousness, creativity and bliss. DLF.TV showcases videos from David Lynch Foundation events, compellin... View on dlf.tv http://dlf.tv/2009/paul-mccartney/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] MJ's head exploding in 3... 2... 1
From tonight's NBC Nightly News: Meditation Curbs Violence at San Francisco Schools http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/meditation-curbs-violence-san-francisco-schools-n277131 http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/meditation-curbs-violence-san-francisco-schools-n277131 Meditation Curbs Violence at San Francisco Schools http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/meditation-curbs-violence-san-francisco-schools-n277131 Students at four schools in a poor San Francisco neighborhood meditate twice a day during View on www.nbcnews.com http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/meditation-curbs-violence-san-francisco-schools-n277131 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When the Beatles met Marshy
yeah I like folks who keep up their TM and TMSP practice too -you know, like
Stephen Collins? and Andy Rhymer? Maybe Robin C.? And Hagelin who makes a fool
of himself constantly? Or how about Goldstein and Revolinski who claim the
pundit riot occurred due to low pundit numbers so the remedy is more donations
to the pundit program? Keith Wallace's ex who shot another woman with a pistol
during program?
How about George Hammond who after decades of TM is living a delusion, and his
buddy Jerry Jarvis who is living it with him? Or David Lynch, a self confessed
cigarette and caffeine addict - yeah baby! the list of inspiring TM'ers goes on
and on.
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 8:48 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: When the Beatles met Marshy
it is good some people like Sir PM keep up their TM and are fully lively in
the present and not stuck in the dead past like MJ and his toothless
anti-science Lady.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] MJ's head exploding in 3... 2... 1
yeah and we see its objective reporting don't we? Wonder how they missed
interviewing the staff at the schools in SF where the Movement was kicked out?
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 8:49 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] MJ's head exploding in 3... 2... 1
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Re: [FairfieldLife] MJ's head exploding in 3... 2... 1
It's a beautiful clip and you have no answer to it at all. None. TM is amazingly effective in schools and I am glad the kids have it. I wish I had had TM when I was their age. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : yeah and we see its objective reporting don't we? Wonder how they missed interviewing the staff at the schools in SF where the Movement was kicked out? From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 8:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] MJ's head exploding in 3... 2... 1 From tonight's NBC Nightly News: Meditation Curbs Violence at San Francisco Schools http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/meditation-curbs-violence-san-francisco-schools-n277131 http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/meditation-curbs-violence-san-francisco-schools-n277131 Meditation Curbs Violence at San Francisco Schools http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/meditation-curbs-violence-san-francisco-schools-n277131 Students at four schools in a poor San Francisco neighborhood meditate twice a day during View on www.nbcnews.com http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/meditation-curbs-violence-san-francisco-schools-n277131 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: MJ's head exploding in 3... 2... 1
This is a good example that the TM program works in a school environment here in SF. As such, the City of Oakland should use this program in their school system, which faces the same or worse problems than San Francisco's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : From tonight's NBC Nightly News: Meditation Curbs Violence at San Francisco Schools http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/meditation-curbs-violence-san-francisco-schools-n277131 http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/meditation-curbs-violence-san-francisco-schools-n277131 Meditation Curbs Violence at San Francisco Schools http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/meditation-curbs-violence-san-francisco-schools-n277131 Students at four schools in a poor San Francisco neighborhood meditate twice a day during View on www.nbcnews.com http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/meditation-curbs-violence-san-francisco-schools-n277131 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] MJ's head exploding in 3... 2... 1
horseshit - I have plenty of answers and you know it - just none that ostriches
like yourself are willing to listen to - try asking Gina Catena if she has any
answers, eh? See what she might say. For one thing, answer my question of why
they didn't do and OBJECTIVE report and talk to the people in the schools where
TM has been ousted.
From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] MJ's head exploding in 3... 2... 1
It's a beautiful clip and you have no answer to it at all. None. TM is
amazingly effective in schools and I am glad the kids have it. I wish I had had
TM when I was their age.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
yeah and we see its objective reporting don't we? Wonder how they missed
interviewing the staff at the schools in SF where the Movement was kicked out?
From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 8:49 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] MJ's head exploding in 3... 2... 1
From tonight's NBC Nightly News:
Meditation Curbs Violence at San Francisco Schools
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| | | | Meditation Curbs Violence at San Francisco Schools Students
at four schools in a poor San Francisco neighborhood meditate twice a day
during | |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MJ's head exploding in 3... 2... 1
I guess I'll have to take a trip out there to see that doesn't happen.
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MJ's head exploding in 3... 2... 1
This is a good example that the TM program works in a school environment
here in SF. As such, the City of Oakland should use this program in their
school system, which faces the same or worse problems than San Francisco's.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :
From tonight's NBC Nightly News:
Meditation Curbs Violence at San Francisco Schools
| |
| | | | Meditation Curbs Violence at San Francisco Schools Students
at four schools in a poor San Francisco neighborhood meditate twice a day
during | |
| View on www.nbcnews.com| Preview by Yahoo |
| |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When the Beatles met Marshy
Perhaps you have already talked about this, but what has been Jerry's take on the Hammond Nov 30 lecture? Have you heard from your friend who keeps in touch with Jerry?
[FairfieldLife] Heroes of 2014: Russell Brand
The volatile comedian-turned-activist’s ability to be openly and honestly flawed sets him apart from the grand old men of the left George Monbiot on taming corporate power Monday 29 December 2014 06.29 EST [Russell Brand: ‘Sometimes he can be incoherent, but even that is a refreshing change.’ Photograph: Perou] No one is better at attacking Russell Brand than Russell Brand. He takes the lavish criticisms aimed at him and, like Cyrano de Bergerac, shows his opponents how to do it properly. He is volatile, vulnerable, troubled, mercurial, but unlike most people in public life, he makes no attempt to hide it. His emotional honesty helps to explain his appeal, and his ability to inspire people who had switched off from politics. Yes, his politics are rough and inchoate, but he doesn’t claim to have all the answers. Sometimes he can be incoherent. But even that is a refreshing change from the stifling coherence of some of the grand old men of the left, for whom everything must conform to a rigid scheme of loyalties and enmities, and who appear unable to admit mistakes. This obnoxious and dishonest rigidity, often enforced by a cult-like following, is, I believe, one of the reasons why the left often struggles to build support. Brand’s openness about his flaws makes him a good leader, and allows those who admire him to be good followers. He’s the best thing that has happened to the left in years. Heroes of 2014: Russell Brand | George Monbiot http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/29/russell-brand-comedian-turned-activist?CMP=ema_565 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/29/russell-brand-comedian-turned-activist?CMP=ema_565 Heroes of 2014: Russell Brand | George Monbiot http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/29/russell-brand-comedian-turned-activist?CMP=ema_565 George Monbiot: The volatile comedian-turned-activist’s ability to be openly and honestly flaw... http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/29/russell-brand-comedian-turned-activist?CMP=ema_565 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] MJ's head exploding in 3... 2... 1
The changes reported in the NBC news pieces are as follows: 79% reduction in suspensions, 93% increase in attendance, 0.4 increase on 4.0 point scale (10% increase) in GPA over four years in School one. 75% reduction in suspensions and a move from the bottom in academic performance in SF to the middle range of SF performance for School 2. Michael, regardless of what happened in the other SF schools you mentioned - no matter what happened and no matter what your views or Gina's views are on what happened - has zero relevance when disputing the impact of TM on the schools reported in the NBC news program. The whole history of the TM movement, what MMY got up to or not, why MMY ran the TMO the way he did, whether the whole TMO was motivated by the desire to make money or by greed, how the TMO is run, the character of the current movement leaders, etc.,etc. are all up for discussion, but none of these things has any relevance whatsoever in attempting to explain the above results or to refute the above results. [It is also not relevant as an argument what may happen in these two schools in the future related to the practice of TM by its students.] None of the above has any relevance whatsoever. To put it another way: If MMY started and ran the TMO to make money, to get power, if MMY had zero interest in the welfare and happiness of others, if all the rumors of a private sexual life were true, if all the frameworks of the growth in consciousness and enlightenment that MMY expounded were complete rubbish, if all the current leaders of the TMO are complete frauds who are just in it for the power/money, if the Maharishi effect is pure fantasy and no such effect exists, if pundits have rioted in FF (this last one is true), if most people give up TM after a short while, if TM works for some period of time and not for longer, etc. etc. - even if all these things were true - this NBC news piece is still reporting significant benefits to children over a four year period (a long and crucial time in a child's life) as a result of practicing TM as part of their school day in two different schools. My points above are not limited to the value or non-value of TM. If we were discussing the impact of say, physical exercise/quality of food/teacher expertise and their effects on children's performance in any school, my point also applies: It is not a valid argument against the impact of an intervention in one school, to say that another school district had refused to introduce the same intervention or had withdrawn the same intervention following some conflict. My points are about making a valid, logical argument about what a critic (you in this case) is required to do to refute the impact of any intervention in any situation, and what arguments don't cut it. So if you want to refute the gains reported in the NBC, you have to apply appropriate arguments. The one you have used has no validity and must be dismissed for that reason.
