For one thing one who is enlightened wouldn't be bothered by it and
could care less what people who aren't say about it. :-D
It's all "line on water." Or air maybe.
It's not elitist because anyone can achieve enlightenment. If brand x
didn't work for your try brand y.
On 12/30/2014 12:48 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
All the blabber about enlightenment or awakening is mostly bs to me.
Most of the people who claim it use it to get followers to give them
attention, sex and money. According to Liar Marshy, when folks get
enlightened they light up the Universe and make all things smooth so
to speak. That obviously isn't happening. So what good is any of it?
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*From:* "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 5:07 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Ravi (was: The real nature of transcendence)
*/Based on things that I remember Ravi and Rick saying way back when,
my take on it is this. Ravi was married to a woman who was an ardent
Amma follower. She dragged him to Amma gatherings and courses, but he
always felt out of place because (according to him) his wife and all
of her friends tended to treat him as if he were not terribly bright
and low-vibe. (Both of which, of course, were true.)
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*/Some people have short-lived flashy experiences after getting hugged
by Amma, and I guess Ravi had one of those experiences. But then he
parlayed that into claiming that he'd had some major realization
experience. From what he said about it later on FFL, I suspect he did
this just to "get back at" his wife and her friends by claiming to be
even more advanced than they were. (He later admitted to having made
up most of these "good experiences" in posts to FFL.)
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/*
*/Anyway, word of this guy who was going around claiming to have been
"enlightened" by Amma reached Rick, and he interviewed Ravi for
BATGAP. As I remember hearing, Rick was not very pleased with the
video, because Ravi spent part of it raving negatively about his wife
(soon to be ex-wife, as she dumped him shortly thereafter and, as I
remember, even had to take out a restraining order to keep him away
from their kids) and all the terrible things he wanted to do to her.
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/*
*/Nevertheless, Rick invited Ravi to FFL, and that is where the real
craziness started. Given some attention, he quickly became so abusive
that people (including Judy and a number of others who later became
his enablers once he began to attack *their* enemies*) suggested that
he was seriously disturbed and needed professional help. At one point
he even claimed to have checked himself into a mental institution,
which turned out to be yet another of his lies. He continued to be a
problem on Fairfield Life for some time after that, until Rick finally
tired of him trying to fuck up Curtis' reputation and career and
finally booted him off.
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*/From my side the danger of people like Ravi is two-fold. First, he
managed to "talk the talk" of someone having a "realization
experience" well enough that Rick was completely fooled, and
interviewed him for his show. That speaks of incredibly low standards
being used to determine "enlightenment." For me and a few other FFL
posters, from Day One on FFL there was *simply no question* that Ravi
was both mentally ill, and potentially dangerously so. He raved about
the abusive things he had done to his wife, and the even more abusive
things he wanted to do to her in the future. He was abusive to other
people on the forum, and often bragged about things that no sane
person would even admit to on a public forum (like buying drinks for
underage girls in an attempt to get them to fuck him).
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/*
*/The second reason I think he was dangerous is that he was the
classic example of what happens when you give a mentally ill person an
audience. He only started to go REALLY crazy when he developed "fans"
here on Fairfield Life, people who glommed on to his craziness and
*applauded it*, because he was attacking people *they* didn't like
(like Curtis and Vaj and myself). It was a clear case of "the enemy of
my enemy is my friend," and a LOT of people here wound up *enabling*
his insanity, and thus IMO causing his mental illness to get worse. /*
*/
/*
*/I was a proponent of leaving his original BATGAP interview up for
all these reasons. Ravi was a big, red, flashing warning sign of 1)
what happens when people have such low standards that they believe
that a crazy person claiming to be enlightened is enlightened, rather
than crazy, and 2) what happens when they give such a crazy person an
audience to feed their ego. /*
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*From:* "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
I wonder what led Rick to interview him to start with?
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*From:* "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*/Interesting that Rick finally yanked the Ravi video. I remember we
(Rick and I) had a discussion about it on FFL once, and I was a
proponent of leaving it up, *as a cautionary tale* of how badly Rick
could fuck up and be taken in with regard to who is enlightened and
who is not.
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*/I suggested that he leave the video up, but comment on it as I have
above. Last I heard, that is what he had done.
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*/Too bad in many ways that it's no longer available. He was quite the
loon. But more important, because of Rick he became for a short time a
loon with a forum, and a loon with an audience for whom to act loony.
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*/That's very dangerous, and I still feel some kind of record of that
should have been left. /*
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*From:* "j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, December 29, 2014 11:56 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The real nature of transcendence
And, on some hard drive somewhere, I have an .FLV file of it that I
never once watched.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <anartax...@yahoo.com> wrote :
Ravi's video was pulled, so I never saw it.
